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| BleSS | does upstart is used by default in ubuntu 7.04? | 03:05 |
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| BleSS | I said because I updated from 6.04 to 6.10 (installed Upstart), and to 7.04 (directory /etc/event.d/ has been deleted) | 03:06 |
| BleSS | so I don't know if my system is using upstart | 03:07 |
| Keybuk | it is used by default | 03:08 |
| ion_ | Do you have the packages ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard installed? | 03:08 |
| Keybuk | however you may have older or unofficial things listed in sources.list which could have caused its removal and replacement with sysvinit | 03:08 |
| BleSS | Keybuk: but I followed all steps correctly to update it | 03:11 |
| Keybuk | there could be a documentation bug | 03:13 |
| BleSS | ion_: yes, I have both | 03:13 |
| BleSS | ah, one thing, it's ubuntu server | 03:13 |
| BleSS | I've installed ubuntu anyway, sudo dpkg -l |grep upstart | 03:16 |
| BleSS | s/ubuntu/upstart | 03:16 |
| BleSS | upstart, upstart-compat-sysv, upstart-logd | 03:16 |
| ion_ | Does dpkg -S /etc/event.d find anything? | 03:17 |
| BleSS | yes, it shows | 03:18 |
| BleSS | upstart-logd, system-services, startup-tasks, upstart, upstart-compat-sysv: /etc/event.d | 03:18 |
| Keybuk | sounds like you (or something) wiped /etc/event.d by hand | 03:20 |
| Keybuk | dpkg -s system-services | grep Status | 03:20 |
| BleSS | Keybuk: you have reason, when I updated from 6.10 to 7.04, the script question me about those files | 03:22 |
| Keybuk | you modified them? | 03:23 |
| BleSS | I choosed 'uptade to maintaner's version' or anything so and it deleted them | 03:23 |
| Keybuk | hmm | 03:24 |
| BleSS | I don't remember exactly the question but I choosed the most logical | 03:25 |
| BleSS | I'll reinstall again to check it | 03:25 |
| BleSS | thanks | 03:25 |
| cort | BleSS: try doing upgrades inside of the 'script' command | 03:41 |
| cort | it keeps a log of everything that happens on the tty | 03:41 |
| BleSS | cort: ok, thanks | 04:00 |
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| BleSS | ok, I'm there, in that question | 05:09 |
| BleSS | Configuration file `/etc/event.d/tty2' | 05:09 |
| BleSS | ==> Deleted (by you or by a script) since installation. | 05:09 |
| BleSS | ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version. | 05:09 |
| BleSS | What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: | 05:10 |
| BleSS | Y or I : install the package maintainer's version | 05:10 |
| BleSS | N or O : keep your currently-installed version | 05:10 |
| BleSS | D : show the differences between the versions | 05:10 |
| BleSS | Z : background this process to examine the situation | 05:10 |
| BleSS | The default action is to keep your current version. | 05:10 |
| BleSS | *** tty2 (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? | 05:10 |
| Keybuk | <BleSS> ==> Deleted (by you or by a script) since installation. | 05:10 |
| Keybuk | is the important bit ;) | 05:10 |
| Keybuk | so Y, install the package maintainer's version | 05:11 |
| cort | if he said N then wouldn't he get an /etc/event.d/tty2.dpkg-dist ? | 05:11 |
| Keybuk | probably, yes | 05:11 |
| cort | which doesn't explain why the whole of /etc/event.d was gone | 05:11 |
| Keybuk | unless the directory was removed entirely | 05:11 |
| BleSS | i choosed that option in the anterior instalation | 05:11 |
| BleSS | Y | 05:11 |
| Keybuk | dpkg never removes directories | 05:11 |
| Keybuk | so somebody did rm -rf /etc/event.d | 05:11 |
| BleSS | to update from 6.10 to 7.04 I used: apt-get install update-manager-core && do-release-upgrade | 05:12 |
| BleSS | I didn't deleted nothing | 05:13 |
| Keybuk | you must have done while on 6.10 | 05:14 |
| Keybuk | before upgrading | 05:14 |
| BleSS | no, I used 6.04 and it was updated to 6.10 | 05:15 |
| BleSS | so the installation script has deleted /etc/env.d | 05:16 |
| BleSS | My steps: from 6.04 to 6.10 :: | 05:18 |
| BleSS | sed -e 's/\sdapper/ edgy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list -i | 05:18 |
| BleSS | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade | 05:18 |
| BleSS | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade | 05:18 |
| BleSS | apt-get -f install && dpkg --configure -a | 05:18 |
| BleSS | shutdown -r now | 05:18 |
| BleSS | From 6.10 to 7.04 :: | 05:18 |
| BleSS | apt-get install update-manager-core && do-release-upgrade | 05:19 |
| BleSS | so I'm supposed that there is a little bug in the installation script | 05:19 |
| BleSS | s/installation/7.04 updating | 05:20 |
| Keybuk | I can guarantee that the installation and upgrade scripts do not delete that directory | 05:22 |
| Keybuk | I grepped the entire ubuntu source code earlier to check | 05:22 |
| BleSS | I've upgraded from 6.04 ubuntu server in Slicehost | 05:23 |
| BleSS | and I run all those commands | 05:23 |
| BleSS | so if I didn't delete those files... | 05:24 |
| Keybuk | grep -r event.d /var/lib/dpkg/info | 05:24 |
| Keybuk | capture the output of that and pastebin it | 05:24 |
| BleSS | and the most strange is that I use Y to install those files but they aren't installed | 05:24 |
| BleSS | Keybuk: http://pastey.net/31022 | 05:32 |
| Keybuk | random question, do you have an /etc/inittab ? | 05:35 |
| Keybuk | if so, can you pastebin that too | 05:35 |
| BleSS | yes, it's | 05:36 |
| BleSS | http://pastey.net/31030 | 05:37 |
| Keybuk | ok, that's correct then | 05:38 |
| Keybuk | tty2-6 should be missing | 05:38 |
| Keybuk | tty1 and control-alt-delete should still exist thoug | 05:38 |
| BleSS | ps -ef |grep getty -> tty1-6 are enabled | 05:39 |
| AlexExtreme | ah, that reminds me, iirc there was a problem with the migrate-inittab script for someone who was here last week, it seems to have incorrectly changed the tty job files, causing them to have syntax errors and therefore they won't run | 05:39 |
| Keybuk | ls /etc/event.d -> pastebin for me | 05:39 |
| Keybuk | AlexExtreme: yeah, lots of bugs with that script | 05:39 |
| Keybuk | most amusing one - follow the README and make an empty inittab except for the default runlevel, it helpfully disables all the ttys for you on upgrade | 05:39 |
| Keybuk | :p | 05:39 |
| BleSS | Keybuk: that dir. doesn't exist (/etc/event.d) | 05:40 |
| AlexExtreme | heh | 05:41 |
| AlexExtreme | the paste containing what it did for him has expired though.... | 05:41 |
| BleSS | sorry | 05:41 |
| BleSS | Keybuk: http://pastey.net/31038 | 05:42 |
| Keybuk | BleSS: *shrug* looks like you've not got a problem <g> | 05:43 |
| Keybuk | what did you say got deleted? | 05:43 |
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| BleSS | Keybuk: I don't understand, in the anterior instalation, they were deleted | 05:44 |
| BleSS | and when it showed me "==> Deleted (by you or by a script) since installation." I used Y as now | 05:45 |
| Keybuk | how did they reappear then? | 05:45 |
| BleSS | Keybuk: I say before of re-install ubuntu and upgrade until 7.04 | 05:46 |
| Keybuk | ? | 05:47 |
| Keybuk | you've utterly confused me now | 05:47 |
| Keybuk | you installed 6.04, upgraded to 6.10 and then to 7.04 ? | 05:47 |
| Keybuk | somewhere along the way, files in /etc/event.d got deleted and then *came back again* ? | 05:47 |
| AlexExtreme | <BleSS> and when it showed me "==> Deleted (by you or by a script) since installation." I used Y as now | 05:47 |
| AlexExtreme | they came back from that | 05:47 |
| AlexExtreme | so they disappeared during the upgrade somehow, then he tried to reinstall them and answered yes | 05:48 |
| BleSS | yes, that is it | 05:48 |
| ion_ | keybuk: Btw, are you going to push your libnih and upstart branches to the public branch any time soon? :-) | 05:48 |
| BleSS | AlexExtreme: thanks my english is not very good and I cann't explain me well | 05:49 |
| Keybuk | ion_: there's nothing extra in my branches right now | 05:49 |
| Keybuk | AlexExtreme: right | 05:49 |
| BleSS | thanks! | 05:49 |
| Keybuk | so only tty2-6 disappeared? | 05:49 |
| BleSS | the questions were only for tty2-6 | 05:50 |
| ion_ | keybuk: I recall you merged the delayed watch functionality. I might remember incorrectly, though. :-) | 05:51 |
| Keybuk | I was merging it yeah | 05:52 |
| Keybuk | but I never finished that | 05:52 |
| Keybuk | (and it's in a separate branch) | 05:52 |
| ion_ | Ah, alright. | 05:52 |
| Keybuk | couldn't work out how it dealt with the "directory tree created or removed" problem | 05:52 |
| Keybuk | BleSS: ok, that's correct then | 05:52 |
| Keybuk | BleSS: at some point in the past, you or something you used edited /etc/inittab and disabled tty2-6 | 05:52 |
| Keybuk | BleSS: when you upgraded, it was entirely correct that those were disabled in upstart too | 05:53 |
| Keybuk | and you'll get a config file prompt for them | 05:53 |
| ion_ | Hm, i probably didnt think of that back then... | 05:53 |
| Keybuk | (as you would have it we changed /etc/inittab) | 05:53 |
| Keybuk | ion_: the remove case is tricky, since you need to free the inotify watch structure, yet hold on to the hash table :p | 05:53 |
| BleSS | ok, but I did't edited /etc/inittab, is possible that was changed by the guys from Slicehost | 05:54 |
| Keybuk | sure | 05:54 |
| AlexExtreme | probably, since slicehost uses Xen, right? they would have disabled the extra ttys since they're irrelavent for Xen and don't even start IIRC | 05:55 |
| BleSS | AlexExtreme: yes, they use Xen | 05:55 |
| AlexExtreme | brb, testing something | 05:56 |
| BleSS | Keybuk: I have reason. I just rebuild my slice (ubuntu 6.04) and tty2-6 are disabled by default | 06:05 |
| BleSS | http://pastey.net/31048 | 06:05 |
| BleSS | s/I/You | 06:05 |
| BleSS | s/I have reason/you have reason | 06:05 |
| Keybuk | sure | 06:09 |
| Keybuk | but they're disabled because your system installer disabled them for you ;) | 06:09 |
| Keybuk | that's been modified from the ubuntu default, the tty2-6 lines have been commented out | 06:09 |
| AlexExtreme | hence what i said about xen :) | 06:10 |
| AlexExtreme | the extra ttys are completely unable to start while running Xen because the extra tty device nodes don't even exist | 06:11 |
| ion_ | Hm, perhaps there should be a single tty job, instances of which would be triggered by udev for each tty[0-9] . :-) | 06:12 |
| ion_ | Uh, tty[1-6] | 06:13 |
| Keybuk | that's an interesting alternate approach | 06:13 |
| Keybuk | /etc/event.d/getty | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | start on tty-added tty1 | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | start on tty-added tty2 | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | start on tty-added tty3 | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | start on tty-added tty4 | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | start on tty-added tty5 | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | start on tty-added tty6 | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | ? | 06:14 |
| AlexExtreme | you'd have to wait for stuff like writable filesystem though | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | you'd need the "stop on tty-removed $1" thing though | 06:14 |
| AlexExtreme | but yes, it sounds interesting | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | that's actually much more in keeping with the upstartish way of doing things | 06:14 |
| ion_ | start on tty-added tty[1-6] (fnmatch(3) pattern) | 06:16 |
| ion_ | Could be squeezed to a single line. :-) | 06:16 |
| AlexExtreme | talking of waiting for writable filesystem... | 06:16 |
| AlexExtreme | i need some way of doing that with my event based networking stuff | 06:16 |
| AlexExtreme | since you need writable FS for dhcpcd | 06:17 |
| AlexExtreme | that would be possible with complex-event-config, right? i mean for now i can just loop until the FS is writable | 06:18 |
| Keybuk | ion_: I keep forgetting upstart uses fnmatch for those :p | 06:20 |
| Keybuk | why does dhcpd need a writable filesystem? | 06:20 |
| ion_ | Actually i didnt remember whether it does or not, i thought if it doesnt, heres a suggestion for a feature as well. :-) | 06:21 |
| AlexExtreme | to write it's info files at /etc/dhcpc and the pid file | 06:21 |
| ion_ | /etc? Evil! | 06:21 |
| AlexExtreme | well technically dhcpcd 3 uses /var/lib | 06:22 |
| AlexExtreme | but i patched it to use the old paths until i migrate the network utils to use the new paths (which i'm gonna do in a few mins :p) | 06:22 |
| Keybuk | the whole "complex event" thing is getting tricky to see through the fog | 06:23 |
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