bossiei am trying to play flash files in firefox12:35
bossierunning edubuntu amd6412:35
bossieany suggestions for a plugin?12:35
bossiemacromedia flash plugin in add/remove says it can't work under amd6412:37
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moquistbossie: Sorry, dude. If you do figure something out, I'd love to hear about it. :)12:38
bossiethanks, i really need it, so i suppose i go back to i38612:39
bossieon http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux-amd64.html12:47
bossieit says one can use flash player 7 with nspluginwrapper12:47
bossieany idea what the pros & cons are?12:47
bossiei don't have sound on the thin clients anyway12:48
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jimhutchinsonI'm working on an education conference presentation project and am wondering which mail list would be appropriate to announce it and try and stir up some interest.05:26
jimhutchinsonThe wiki for the project is here https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TIEColorado05:26
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willvdlRichEd, morning08:41
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RichEd'lo willvdl09:03
willvdlSpent most of last night thinking about the process09:04
RichEdand some happy conclusions ?09:04
willvdlyeah, just trying to contain the scope09:05
RichEdif the scope is too broad for the tech community, then we can toss some of it over into the education community jurisdiction ... but i agree that for the moment, we should go for small and solid to get something working09:07
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RichEdhey corey :)09:11
Burgundaviahey RichEd09:18
RichEddid you feel UDS was productive for you ?09:20
highvoltagewell, he became a council member, so he better say yes :p09:24
Burgundaviato both statements/questions :)09:24
willvdlBurgundavia, see you made the train to Cadiz but Seb & co missed it :)09:25
Burgundaviathey should have just gotten on09:25
willvdlironic cause it was their idea to go there09:25
Burgundaviawe were going to go to Gibraltar but the car ended up being a lot more in Cadiz than Sevilla09:25
Burgundaviaso we took the AVE to Madrid instead09:26
Burgundaviastayed a cool hotel in Cadiz, run by a couple09:26
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dean_zaHi , I am having issues with TCM , I have installed x11vnc , edited the rc.local file and moved K99rc.local to S99rc.local in /etc/rc2.d/ I have rebooted both server and clients ans I still cannot use either the share desktop or view desktop functions , can someone please give me hint as towhat else to try ,this is edubuntu 7.0410:09
RichEdhi dean ... ogra or cbx33 are bext to ask about that ...10:12
RichEdor else you could try in #ltsp ... sbalneav or jammcq may be able to help there10:12
dean_zathanks Rich , is it supposed to work "out the box "10:13
dean_zaor could I have done something wrong soomewhere10:13
t94xr-lappyRichEd, pm :)10:13
dean_zacan i join more than one channel at a time ?10:15
dean_zakinda like a new "tab" in firefox ?10:15
RichEdt94xr-lappy: give me a few mins ... busy with the upload ...10:22
RichEddean_za: what IRC client are you using10:22
RichEdxchat lets you do what you want ... get it from add/remove ...10:22
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RichEdt94xr: here is the page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/education/resources11:00
RichEduploading attachment now .. and will then need to link the attachment ... so 10 mins or so to being available11:00
t94xr-lappycool thanks ma n11:00
t94xr-lappysweet as11:01
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RichEdt94xr t94xr-lappy ... done ... please check that it works ?11:19
RichEdwillvdl: see ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/education/resources11:21
RichEdif you find a good site or doc or whatever, please add to the page as a placeholder ... we can process them later, but better than letting stuff float past down the stream of time11:22
willvdlcool. might be good to post on ML11:22
willvdlI'll port my bookmarks folder over later :)11:23
RichEdwillvdl: wait until I have it a bit neater ... needs a table format and a bit more guidance ... so let's use it ourself for a week or two and people here and then announce soonish when it is smoother11:23
willvdlno worries. We'll fill that puppy up in no time :)11:23
t94xr-lappyRichEd, downloading now - thanks man11:24
RichEdgreat ... don't forget to send comments / experiences ... there are a truckload of applications to chose from there ... we'd like to know where we should start with our own focus to bring into edubuntu or recommend11:32
RichEd^ t94xr, t94xr-lappy ^11:32
t94xr-lappylooking thru it now man11:33
RichEdyumy stuff innit ... compared to what you get for free from proprietary people ;)11:33
t94xr-lappyyeah its really well put together11:39
RichEdjust found this on the same org site: Catalog of Free and Open Source Software for Small-Medium Enterprises11:41
RichEd:) ... downloading from :11:41
RichEdwillvdl: who in canonical / ubuntu would find that SME stuff useful ? anyone ?11:44
=== highvoltage would guess the people who are subscribed to this spec should also be interested: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-small-business-server
willvdltook the words out of my mouth11:45
RichEdthanks :)11:51
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Kamping_Kaiserhi all01:26
Kamping_Kaiserhi RichEd :)01:26
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RichEdhi jsgotangco01:27
jsgotangcohey RichEd how's it going01:27
RichEdjsgotangco: how's the new job01:27
jsgotangcoRichEd: what job???01:27
RichEdsomeone said yesterday that you had a new job ?01:28
RichEdjsgotangco: going too good at the moment ... to many exciting doors opening, but limited number of legs01:28
jsgotangcowell i do have a new job within the ubuntu Community as a council member, but in real life, i just joined the unemployed labour force :)01:28
RichEdohhh ... CC "job" ... overworked and unpaid01:29
RichEdsorry to hear about the RL :( is it a problem at the moment ... or just a breather01:29
jsgotangcoits actually both01:29
jsgotangcoone just lead to another, but i guess that is my fate so i will just move on of course01:30
RichEdKamping_Kaiser: will chat next week regarding the training side we started yesterday ... but in a snapshot overview: the Ubuntu Training Manager is starting to work a programme with universities to incorporate Ubuntu into degree courses01:30
jsgotangcoi actually had an interview this morning with a local telecoms company so I will see how it goes01:31
RichEdGet such courses LIP certified so that the person ends up with the academic qualification as well as the business qualification01:31
RichEdCurrently been done by Portsmouth University of their own accord, we are now trying to replicate the idea01:31
RichEdSo looking for a test case university in a few key areas over a geographic spread.01:32
RichEdIf you know of any Auz or NZ uni that teaches open source as part of degree ... let me know.01:32
Kamping_KaiserRichEd, awsome. i look forward to chatting when your able.01:32
Kamping_Kaiseri'll ask around01:32
Kamping_KaiserRichEd, how 'open source' specifically - i know at leats one of adelaids unis teach using GCC for building, and some RH workstations01:33
Kamping_Kaiser*least, Adelaide01:33
jsgotangcowho is the ubuntu training manager?01:34
RichEdKamping_Kaiser: we want one that has seen the light ... Portsmouth started to use Ubuntu in their own infrastructure, and then naturally started to base their coursework on it01:34
RichEdjsgotangco: Billy Cina01:34
jsgotangcoi hear so many new names in corporate canonical lately01:35
RichEdKamping_Kaiser: they do courses like a 2 year masters in Internet Technology ... 12 months of which must be a large project ... with placement in a school or company01:35
Kamping_Kaiserright. i'll ask around about open source in general, with a particular intrest in ubuntu01:35
RichEdSo it is a real hands on course to eject the student directly into work ... not theory and then a need to upskill into the real world01:36
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RichEdhow is this for a logic leap:01:47
RichEdDatabase >> Wednesday May 09, 200701:47
RichEdMicrosoft director out to 'debunk mythology around open source'01:47
RichEdMicrosoft platform strategy director Bill Hilf01:47
RichEd"The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. Even Linus has got a job today." Controversial statements from the head of Microsoft's Linux Labs, Bill Hilf.01:47
RichEdSpeaking on the last leg of a tour of Singapore, the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand, Bill Hilf, more formally known as Microsoft's platform strategy director, was in the region to "be descriptive and intelligent in giving people an understanding of open source and debunk a lot of the mythology around open source."01:47
RichEdHe said that most customers run a distribution - RedHat, Novell, Suse or Mandriva. Most of the work on maintaining the Linux kernel is done by developers working for these distributions, he noted01:47
RichEd"They are full-time employees, with 401K stock options. Some work for IBM or Oracle. What does that mean? It means that Linux doesn't exist any more in 2007. There is no free software movement. If someone says Linux is about Love, Peace and Harmony, I would tell them to do their research. There is no free software movement any more. There is big commercial [firms]  like IBM and there is small commercial [firms]  like Ubuntu," he said.01:47
RichEdThe former IBM employee said that IBM's work on Linux is aimed at creating more reliable storage solutions and a more reliable mainframe.01:47
RichEd"People ask me, why are you doing this? Why did you do the Novell deal? Why aren't you doing Office on Linux? The summary is quite simple. Growth of the ecosystem equals growth of the [Windows]  platform," he said.01:47
RichEdHilf said that the Linux phenomenon had nothing to do with Linux, but rather it had a lot to do with Apache, MySQL and PHP. It was those applications which pulled Linux up with it, the "Visual Basic of open source."01:48
RichEdHilf described Microsoft's interest in open source as a business interest, without altruistic community love or with marketin01:48
RichEdoops ... sorry about the flood ...01:48
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jsgotangcotoo bad I don't feel the same way as Bill Hilf01:51
RichEdthe logic leap is absurd ... working for a salary for company producing open source software does not mean that the s/w costs the end user money01:54
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Kamping_KaiserRichEd, he could have been refereing to 'Free software', rather the Open Source, and bluring the lines to cause pain01:55
RichEd==== edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting === 5 mins01:55
RichEdso the software can still be free ...01:55
RichEdpeople who work at univrsities get paid ... but some write software01:56
RichEdand give the s/w away01:56
RichEdthe point is that there is no logic connection at all01:56
Kamping_Kaiser*i'm* aware of that. but causing confusion in the minds of peopel is what MS do a fair bit of01:56
jsgotangcohe doesn't understand it at all01:56
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RichEdyou have free software, and paid for software ... the employee or no-employee is just a tangential sh!tstir01:57
Kamping_KaiserRichEd, btw, got a link for that paste?01:58
ograjsgotangco, be sure he *does* understand it ... what he says is on purpose01:58
jsgotangcothat too01:59
ograits marketing babbling01:59
jsgotangcoah well shame on him being part of the open source labs anyways01:59
jsgotangco(of MS that is, if it actually exists)01:59
RichEdKamping_Kaiser: http://www.bangkokpost.com/090507_Database/09May2007_data05.php01:59
Kamping_Kaiserjsgotangco, i'd be confident it exists. they need to look for patents somewhere ;)01:59
Kamping_KaiserRichEd, thanks01:59
jsgotangcoogra: so you actually are a classmate PC user now?02:00
RichEdKamping_Kaiser: perhaps the site name gives a clue as to what he is doing ;)02:00
ograMS always spreaded FUD ... the novell deal wont change their habits ;)02:00
Kamping_Kaiserdell joining them wont help either02:00
ograjsgotangco, yup02:00
jsgotangcowell you are *big*02:01
ograaned slooow yet ... with edubuntu ...02:01
ograi'm working on fixing that02:01
jsgotangcobut still! its exciting!02:01
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RichEd==== edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting === Now !02:01
ograindeed it is02:02
jsgotangcoi've only have access to OLPC XO-1 and its nice, but I cannot say that it made me feel excited02:02
Kamping_Kaiserjsgotangco, the UI?02:07
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jsgotangcoahh no not really, the hardware is really cool, especially the display, it just feels a bit heavy to me...02:18
Kamping_Kaiser50% f the wieght is the battery02:19
jsgotangcoyeah, we don't have the technology yet to generate eletricity from air it seems02:20
Kamping_Kaiserwe do, its just a bit larger then the laptop02:21
jsgotangcowithout using wind vanes?02:28
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Kamping_Kaiseron the subject of 'business can afford fast bandwidth', in australia a lot of the place is covered by satalite/isdn02:48
Kamping_Kaiser200mb/month, 12cents/mb over02:49
jsgotangcooutside metropolitan areas?02:49
Kamping_Kaiser3g has (iirc) 500mb/month, and several dollars(5-10)/mb over02:49
Kamping_Kaiserthats central australia02:49
Kamping_Kaiser'the edge' is mostly adsl/cable capable02:49
jsgotangcoahh yeah02:50
Kamping_Kaiserand quite a number of people (some must include small business) are on rims, so adsl is hard to get for them (read imposible without a new phone line)02:50
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jsgotangcoRichEd: i got this email and forwarded it to you04:03
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RichEdhighvoltage: you there dude ?04:06
highvoltageRichEd: partially, I'm catching up with a ~two week backlog04:07
RichEdhighvoltage: i see you are part of that small business server spec ... can you give the subsrcibers that Free Software for SME doc url i mentioned that you said would be useful04:07
RichEdI can't find a way to add it into the blueprint on LP04:08
highvoltageRichEd: mind pasting that link again?04:08
Burgundaviaanybody can edit the whitebaord RichEd04:08
jsgotangcoBurgundavia: did you gain "some" weight?04:10
t94xr-lappyRichEd, do you ever sleep?04:10
Burgundaviajsgotangco: why do you say that?04:10
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jsgotangcoi just saw some pics from flickr04:10
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Burgundaviatoo late willvdl, the pictures are taken04:11
jsgotangcomust be just the angle of the shot04:11
RichEdBurgundavia / highvoltage : added to whiteboard04:11
RichEdt94xr-lappy: I am not a 24hr person ... that honour goes to far more people than me :)04:12
highvoltageBurgundavia: ok04:12
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Burgundaviajsgotangco: which is the link?04:13
jsgotangcowell not that exactly04:13
jsgotangcoi just thought it looked like some holywood bad guy shot04:14
Burgundaviathis one?04:14
BurgundaviaI am pulling a face, but I have gained about 5/10 pounds in the last 6 months04:15
Burgundaviamore office work04:15
jsgotangcoi look terrible lately too, but since i am taking time off, hvae started doing my morning run again04:15
RichEdjsgotangco: got the mail ... will try to help ... we have another thread going with a guy from brazil uni looking to help in community & schools so will link then up04:16
jsgotangcocool thanks!04:16
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Kamping_Kaisergnigh tall04:28
Kamping_Kaiser*gnight all04:28
Kamping_Kaisersee you 'then'04:28
willvdlmeduxa hi there04:30
jsgotangcook time for me to retire too04:38
jsgotangcogood night04:38
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mcsdis there a way to exit chroot ... do I just change user... I booted off a live cd and mount my harddrive to the cd then chroot into the harddrive and now I want to run updates but it fails when running chroot04:52
gnomefreakmcsd: exit will exit you from chroot04:55
mcsdgnomefreak: thank you04:56
mcsdso if I exit and run apt-get update in the same terminal which system am I updating the mounted harddrive or the live cd?04:57
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meduxawillvdl hi05:58
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mcsdis there a way to update an installed harddrive while running the live cd?06:05
mcsdhow can I target the harddrive with apt-get update?06:20
mcsdI can't seem to do it chroot06:21
Burgundaviaso you have mounted it and chrooted into it?06:22
Burgundaviayou might have to manually mount proc06:25
mcsdit is mounted06:25
mcsdI have proc and dev mounted06:25
Burgundaviawhat is apt saying?06:26
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mcsdcould not resolve addresses06:31
Burgundaviahave you brought up the network?06:34
mcsdI can update with sudo but not with chroot ... I am guessing that is how it is designed ... but if I update with sudo am I updating the harddrive?06:41
mcsdor are the changes just caching into memory for the live cd06:41
ogracopy /etc/resolv.conf from the host to the chroot06:43
ograand mount /proc in the chroot if you are in there06:44
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mcsdis anyone familiar with lilo?  I have an error but I cannot tell if it is from fstab or lilo.conf06:55
mcsdcheck root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline      or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev    ALERT! does not exist.  Dropping to shell06:56
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ograany particular reason to not use grub ?07:00
mcsdI have to Dell optiplex 320 will not work with grub07:00
mcsdAti's sb6000 chipset was written improperly even though Dell sells it as an open source model...so I asked what open source works on it...they said open office...nice answer07:03
ograthey didnt lie then :)07:04
mcsdthat would mean all proprietary pc's are open source ...yea07:04
ogravery diplomatic07:04
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mcsdI would like to order about 400 edubuntu cds but I keep getting directed to ubuntu website and only kubuntu and ubuntu are versions available...I received a few samples in beautiful packaging ... is there a way to order more?08:31
Burgundaviamcsd: via shipit08:32
LaserJockdid you try shipit.edubuntu.org?08:32
mcsdyeah but it says it will send them free of charge08:32
mcsdbut they will send several hundred free of charge?08:38
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LaserJockmcsd: I think so08:45
LaserJockespecially if you have a good justification for several hundred08:46
LaserJockogra: you around? It appears I'm about to expire from the edubuntu-bugsquad08:48
willvdlLaserJock, heya08:49
willvdlmcsd, if you can provide a good justification for that many CD's then it will be considered by ShipIt08:50
willvdlwe normally ship half of that to the LoCo teams08:50
willvdlwhere are you based?08:50
willvdlLaserJock, how was the wedding?08:57
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alfred_can anyone help me figure out local devices on a new install of edubuntu LTSP feisty08:58
LaserJockwillvdl: good, hot and long, but good08:58
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tristan_can someone help me here with a simple question?09:06
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tristan_in the past i ran debian with 2 monitors+1 keyboards/mouses on one pc and now I want something like that as a thinclient using edubuntu09:07
tristan_so actually it are 2 clients09:08
tristan_is something like that possible out of the box?09:08
willvdlsounds like a job for edubuntu thin clients!09:08
tristan_yes, but a setup like this is not very common i guess?09:09
tristan_using one pc for two thin clients?09:09
tristan_maybe I should give it a try and ask questions when i've atleast tried it ;)09:10
willvdlwell, you can work off the server09:10
willvdland set the other one up as thin client09:10
willvdlLaserJock, can you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuApplicationReview (short) and tell me if it makes sense yet?09:11
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tristan_willvdl: what do you think.. I have 2 pc's capable to run ubuntu or edubuntu and one rente pc which is capable to do anything09:13
tristan_is it worth it to setup thinclients?09:13
tristan_or should I install them standalone?09:13
tristan_it's for a "give-away-store" in the netherlands with free internet fascilities09:14
willvdldepends on what you want to do with them but you could setup up the 2 older ones to serve off your recent PC. How much RAM has it got? Nics etc?09:14
tristan_this pc has only 512MB, but it's enough for what I do09:15
tristan_the nics are just 3com 100mbit nics09:15
tristan_but that should be fine09:15
tristan_i just have to handle 2 clients atm and maybe expand it in the future09:16
willvdlif you have the time, give it a go. could prove useful09:16
tristan_i have to pull some wires then09:17
tristan_but that's no problem09:17
tristan_I will do it next week09:17
willvdlcool. good luck. jsut check the minimum RAM requirements. can't remember what they are :)09:18
LaserJockwillvdl: well, it looks fine, although it seems like our spec got neutered09:18
willvdlLaserJock, not neutered, just scoped09:18
tristan_I readed a review which was talking about a minimum of 512MB09:18
tristan_for the server09:18
LaserJockwillvdl: well, is there a spec for the Ubuntu Education Community part?09:19
tristan_should work I guess, since my other PC's did work with 128MB too09:19
willvdlLaserJock, not yet, but we'll need one. specifically leaving this spec open ended for that purpose09:19
LaserJockI'm not sure why it needs to have a separate spec though09:20
LaserJockit's all one spec, IMO09:20
willvdlit's specced according to scope :)09:21
willvdlscope can grow09:21
LaserJockwell, it's not very likely to get approved if it's a "this is a spec that depends on a non-existant spec" spec09:21
tristan_what's on the classroom server add-on CD?09:21
LaserJockmost of the educational software09:22
willvdltristan_, additional educational apps09:22
willvdlwe're working on providing a list09:22
tristan_ok :)09:22
tristan_I'm downloading the iso now btw09:23
tristan_sorry for my stupid questions btw09:23
willvdlnot stupid at all09:23
tristan_well, there was a time a compiled programm's and was checking dependencies :P09:24
tristan_ubuntu made me lazy09:24
willvdlubuntu freed you to do useful stuff :)09:25
tristan_it made me lazy ;)09:25
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tristan_btw.. does Canonical ship edubuntu CD's?09:27
tristan_why didn't I notice that in the past09:27
tristan_it makes more sense to give those CD's away to familys with kids09:28
tristan_do they have edubuntu stickers at canonical too?09:28
tristan_for on my window?09:28
LaserJockI think they only have Ubuntu ones09:30
LaserJockbut I'm not positive09:30
willvdlonly seen ubuntu ones09:31
willvdlmight be some on diy site09:31
willvdlcheck with #ubuntu-marketing09:33
tristan_how is the translation of edubuntu into dutch?09:34
willvdlurk, asking some fine questions :)09:35
willvdlneed to check on Launchpad for that one :)09:35
LaserJocktristan_: it should be quite good09:36
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willvdlooooh https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-drupal-theme/09:41
willvdltristan_, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+lang/nl09:45
willvdlremember edubuntu is based on ubuntu09:45
tristan_i know09:45
tristan_it r0x with all those suggestions with translations from other packages09:55
tristan_some of those translations sucks though09:58
tristan_hmmz.. my english sux.. I think `dodge' should be translated as `neerslaan'10:04
tristan_but I'm not sure10:04
tristan_can somebody help me?10:06
tristan_to reveil it's context10:06
tristan_so I'm sure of the translation?10:06
tristan_could it be used like "the riotpolice dodged the riot"?10:07
tristan_or doesn't it make sense?10:07
willvdlwhat package?10:08
tristan_it think the last one10:08
tristan_I'm not sure10:08
willvdlif it's gimp, then I presume dodge as in "dodge and burn"10:08
tristan_it says "dodge your enemies"10:08
willvdlavoid your enemies then10:09
willvdlvermy in Afrikaans10:09
tristan_ontwijken :)10:09
tristan_like a pacifist10:09
tristan_wtf am I translating kubuntu docs :\10:11
tristan_I don't like KDE10:11
tristan_ohw.. I see.. it's casue of those fancy red indicationbar10:12
tristan_my english sux10:13
willvdlyou mean "sucks"?10:16
tristan_I don't have a ks key on my keyboard10:16
tristan_ubuntu made me lazy, remember? ;)10:17
willvdlif that's so then how did you jsut type "ks"?10:18
tristan_ctrl+alt+x ;p10:19
willvdlI thought it was ctrl+alt+F410:20
tristan_I use that for my coffee10:21
tristan_edubuntu download allmost finished :)10:27
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bolsonneed help pm me10:56
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eliashow can I send a message to all X users on the local X-server?11:38
eliasall xterminals11:38
elias(edgy ltsp)11:38
eliasI somehow am looking for a gnome wall command11:39
alfred_fuse not working to map local devices feisty edubuntu install.  Only thing that makes sense is the terminal does not know it's hostname11:40
alfred_anyone even really here? Is this the right place for ltsp help?11:47

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