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manchicken | !seen tonio_ | 12:31 |
ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about seen tonio_ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 12:31 |
manchicken | seen tonio_ | 12:33 |
manchicken | @seen tonio_ | 12:33 |
manchicken | Damned bot! Anticipate the meaning of my request~! | 12:33 |
Hobbsee | blerg | 12:33 |
Hobbsee | manchicken: /msg seenserv seen tonio_ | 12:33 |
manchicken | Aww, weak. | 12:33 |
manchicken | I wonder if he's having connection trouble. | 12:36 |
manchicken | Well, it's late in the EU, isn't it? | 12:36 |
mhb | yes it is | 12:37 |
mhb | 00:37 is not *that* late, but it is | 12:37 |
manchicken | You'd think by now that I'd have this timezone thing figured out. | 12:37 |
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ryanakca | hmmm... How do I know if this KMail bug is KDE4 or 3.5.6, or even just my messed up system | 01:36 |
ScottK | ryanakca: If it involves IMAP It's a safe bet it's kmail's fault. | 01:37 |
ScottK | Not tha I'm bitter or anything.... | 01:38 |
ScottK | tha/that | 01:38 |
ryanakca | I click on a message in KMail, and it erases the message... well, the message is still in the list, just that it says "Subject: No Subject, Sender: Unknown, Date: unknown" | 01:38 |
ryanakca | nah, POP | 01:38 |
ScottK | ryanakca: Sounds like index corruption. | 01:38 |
ryanakca | hmm.... | 01:38 |
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ScottK | IIRC you look in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail and delete the indexes and let kmail regenerate them. | 01:39 |
ryanakca | how do I fix it? | 01:39 |
ryanakca | kk | 01:39 |
ryanakca | thanks | 01:39 |
ScottK | ryanakca: I don't recall the exact procedure, Google probably has details. | 01:39 |
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ryanakca | hmmm... KDE keeps krashing | 01:42 |
ryanakca | I installed KDE4 as per the directions on kubuntu.org, but it seems to have mingled with my stable KDE | 01:44 |
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jjesse | why does hotel wireless always suck | 02:01 |
Tm_T | jjesse: I have only gprs connection at home, wanna switch? | 02:03 |
ScottK | Because by the time you know it sucks they already have your money. | 02:03 |
jjesse | Tm_T: i'll pass | 02:03 |
Tm_T | hah, I knew it | 02:03 |
jjesse | ScottK: agreed | 02:03 |
Tm_T | its fun to type line thru ssh and wait minute or two to it appear | 02:04 |
jjesse | seriously whether its a marriott hotel, hilton hotle or others, they are always slower then my dsl connection at home | 02:04 |
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Tm_T | =) | 02:06 |
Tm_T | I would love to get one of those free net connections now | 02:06 |
jjesse | i've done that before, the hotel i was at was charge 9.95/night and there was a neighbor hotel that was free | 02:06 |
Tm_T | actually there's one open wlan in neighbourhood but I fail to manage to connect with my usb stick | 02:09 |
Tm_T | + weak signal | 02:09 |
jjesse | that's a bummer | 02:09 |
Tm_T | also I don't find it right to use one's wlan | 02:10 |
Tm_T | without permission that is | 02:10 |
jjesse | there was one hotel where the only place i could decent signel was in the bathroom, resting my laptop on the toliet seat | 02:10 |
Tm_T | but oh, now if someone call to me, I lose connection =) | 02:10 |
Tm_T | but then again, no one call me =) | 02:11 |
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Tm_T | bah, time to give up and take painkillers | 02:14 |
Tm_T | one thing can make my body hurt like this and that is: sports | 02:19 |
jjesse | a particular sport? | 02:26 |
Tm_T | well, in this case it was han moo do | 02:27 |
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Tm_T | you know taekwondo? | 02:27 |
jjesse | yes | 02:27 |
Tm_T | well similar but "newer" | 02:28 |
jjesse | interesting | 02:28 |
Tm_T | and no, it wasn't my idea to use 4 hours breaking my body | 02:28 |
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jjesse | i just do crazy things like try and run half marathons | 02:29 |
jjesse | nothing like running for 3 hours | 02:29 |
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Tm_T | haha, apparently I can still run 100 meters in 14 seconds | 02:30 |
jjesse | wow congrats, were you running away from the police? | 02:30 |
Tm_T | and I thought I'm in slow condition | 02:30 |
jjesse | i do about 12 minute miles | 02:30 |
jjesse | and my wife is faster then me | 02:30 |
Tm_T | :) | 02:30 |
jjesse | she does 11 minute miles | 02:30 |
Tm_T | nice, 9 minute cutout | 02:39 |
Tm_T | and you whine about crappy wlan | 02:39 |
jjesse | wow | 02:40 |
jjesse | sorry dude | 02:40 |
Tm_T | ;--P | 02:40 |
Tm_T | atleast I'm getting fullspeed gprs again | 02:40 |
Tm_T | "wow, 5 kb/s !" | 02:40 |
jjesse | oooo a mcdonalds in chicago served a happy meal with pot, a pipe, and a lighter | 02:41 |
jjesse | that is awesome | 02:41 |
Tm_T | awesome? howcome? | 02:41 |
jjesse | its funny, awesome was sarcastic | 02:41 |
Tm_T | ah ok | 02:41 |
Tm_T | wow, I can get ping lower than 1000 ms | 02:42 |
jjesse | i feel sorry for you | 02:42 |
Tm_T | haha | 02:42 |
jjesse | is internet really expensive for you then? | 02:43 |
jjesse | sorry i forget where you are from | 02:43 |
Tm_T | you know, at times this is the only connection I get for months =) | 02:43 |
Tm_T | from Finland, and I'm with gprs because of moving, no adsl yet here, but coming I hope | 02:43 |
Tm_T | slowest adsl they offer me is 5/2 I think, so it might be slightly faster than this | 02:44 |
Tm_T | no, that's not slowest, but cheapest apparently | 02:45 |
jjesse | oh 5 meg down/2 meg up? | 02:45 |
Tm_T | yes | 02:46 |
Tm_T | you're yankee, right? | 02:53 |
jjesse | i'm from the us | 02:53 |
Tm_T | that's what I meant (: | 02:53 |
jjesse | no problem i understood | 02:53 |
Tm_T | heh, that reminds me, we have chewing cum brand Jenkki (yankee) | 02:54 |
jjesse | thats funny | 02:55 |
jjesse | if you are in finland, aren't you up aweful later? | 02:55 |
Tm_T | yes | 02:55 |
Tm_T | remember me mentioning sports'n'stuff? ;) | 02:56 |
jjesse | yup is that why you are up late then? | 02:56 |
Tm_T | yes | 02:56 |
Tm_T | let's see how well sshfs works over ppp =) | 02:59 |
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jjesse | hello longpointystick | 03:04 |
Tm_T | guess what, it works just fine | 03:04 |
jjesse | awesome | 03:05 |
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Tm_T | let's see how long it takes to upload a screenshot (sshfs) | 03:09 |
Tm_T | hi Jucato-san | 03:09 |
jjesse | hello Jucato | 03:10 |
Jucato | hello Tm_T-sensei :) | 03:10 |
Jucato | hi jjesse :) | 03:10 |
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Jucato | lol | 03:11 |
Jucato | jjesse (or nixternal): btw, will there be an online Kubuntu 7.04 documentation | 03:12 |
Jucato | I mean, on help.ubuntu.com | 03:12 |
Tm_T | gotta love kppp <3 | 03:13 |
jjesse | Jucato: i don't remeember exactly how that is working since the change to topic based help, but i know there should be | 03:13 |
Jucato | ah | 03:13 |
jjesse | i trying to remember how that discussion is going | 03:14 |
Jucato | ok. no biggie. just curious :) | 03:15 |
Jucato | the important thing is that there's an offline version available :) | 03:16 |
jjesse | yeah | 03:16 |
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Tm_T | aww | 03:25 |
jjesse | aw what now? | 03:26 |
Tm_T | looks like sshfs doesn't handle very well 10 min cuts between reconnection | 03:26 |
Tm_T | and haven't timed out even | 03:27 |
Tm_T | or, it's more ssh issue | 03:27 |
Tm_T | http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current-temp4.png <- rest of image is still in this end waiting | 03:28 |
Tm_T | I wonder why I need to reboot my phone often today | 03:29 |
Tm_T | I wonder why ssh fails to time out properly | 03:32 |
Tm_T | aah, finally | 03:40 |
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jjesse | Tm_T: do you do a lot of work locally and then upload via ssh? | 04:03 |
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nixternal | Jucato: we need to transfer the Kubuntu docs over to kubuntu.org, as it seems h.u.c has no love for us | 05:38 |
Jucato | nixternal: aw... :( | 05:39 |
nixternal | go figure | 05:39 |
Jucato | then we can probably just link to the kubuntu.org page in h.u.c. | 05:39 |
nixternal | I have no control of h.u.c so I can't say | 05:39 |
Jucato | that... is... :( | 05:39 |
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Jucato | Hobbsee!!!! | 05:40 |
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Hobbsee | hiya | 05:41 |
Hobbsee | hi ajmitch | 05:41 |
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Tonio_ | yop | 09:54 |
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Tonio_ | fine Jucato ? | 09:58 |
Jucato | barely... still having mild asthma attacks here and there :) | 09:59 |
Jucato | btw, do you remember who was it who wondered if it were possible to change the KMilo OSD appearance? | 09:59 |
Jucato | and of course, how are you? :) | 09:59 |
Jucato | (lol my brain isn't in order apparently) | 10:00 |
Tonio_ | Jucato: can you print a pdf file via konqueror for example ? | 10:00 |
Tonio_ | crashes here | 10:00 |
Tonio_ | Jucato: I don't remember no...... but to what I know, that's not possible without touching the code | 10:00 |
Jucato | yeah, someone from kde-apps seems to have made a patch to do just that | 10:01 |
Tonio_ | Jucato: and about the pdf printing ? | 10:01 |
Jucato | oh I can't check Konqueror on Kubuntu right now. sorry | 10:01 |
Tonio_ | gs just seems to crash | 10:02 |
Tonio_ | Jucato: okay ;) np | 10:02 |
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mhb | good afternoon | 12:15 |
Jucato | hi mhb | 12:17 |
Jucato | mhb: were you the one who suggested changing the appearance of the KMilo OSD a few months ago? | 12:17 |
mhb | Jucato: that's me | 12:19 |
Jucato | mhb: might be interested in this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin?content=56287 | 12:19 |
Jucato | just saw it from my feeds | 12:20 |
mhb | lovely | 12:20 |
mhb | Jucato: I really love when people think the same things I do :o) | 12:21 |
Jucato | hehehe :) | 12:21 |
mhb | Jucato: have you tried it yet? | 12:22 |
Jucato | nope. just saw it this afternoon | 12:22 |
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mhb | Jucato: do you plan to try it? | 12:26 |
Jucato | hm... I can't. I haven't even seen KMilo's shadow in a long time... never got around to finding out why | 12:26 |
mhb | okay, no problem | 12:27 |
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\sh | Riddell, I read something about providing something like gnomes update-notifier for kde/kubuntu...is it planned to integrate it into the update-notifier source? | 01:49 |
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\sh | moins kwwii | 01:58 |
kwwii | howdy \sh | 01:59 |
raxiv | hiya kwwii. | 01:59 |
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kwwii | hi raxiv | 02:02 |
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_StefanS_ | kwiii | 02:27 |
_StefanS_ | \sh: the restricted drivers manager was going to be ported | 02:28 |
_StefanS_ | \sh: dont know about the update notifier | 02:28 |
Jucato | hi _StefanS_! | 02:29 |
_StefanS_ | hey Jucatoowww | 02:29 |
_StefanS_ | Ju-cow | 02:29 |
_StefanS_ | :D | 02:29 |
_StefanS_ | anything happening? | 02:29 |
Jucato | hm.. nothing much | 02:30 |
Jucato | just distro-touring, sort of... :) | 02:30 |
Jucato | and of course, still learning C++ lol | 02:30 |
_StefanS_ | how is the c++ coming? | 02:32 |
_StefanS_ | good progress? | 02:32 |
Jucato | slow progress. | 02:32 |
Jucato | procrastination++ | 02:32 |
Jucato | but still progressing. that's the good news :) | 02:33 |
Jucato | unfortunately, my MOTU ambitions seems to be the one that's regressing... | 02:34 |
_StefanS_ | oh, so you're opting for being able to put packages in universe, or is it multiverse also ? | 02:34 |
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Jucato | the *verses :) | 02:35 |
Jucato | actually I wanted to study packaging | 02:35 |
mhb | Jucato: thanks for that link earlier | 02:36 |
_StefanS_ | uhm cool, I gotta be employed full time for canonical soon, so I can do some stuff that interests me ;) | 02:36 |
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mhb | you will be? | 02:36 |
_StefanS_ | no :) | 02:37 |
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Jucato | hehe :) | 02:37 |
_StefanS_ | just thinking that it would be cool to spend full time on kubuntu | 02:37 |
Jucato | mhb: no problem. the moment I saw that announcement, I immediately thought of you heheh | 02:37 |
Jucato | _StefanS_: you think? just ask Riddell :D | 02:37 |
mhb | Jucato: I've compiled it and it's really nice | 02:37 |
kwwii | :-) | 02:37 |
Jucato | it must be uber nice to work on Kubuntu :) | 02:38 |
Jucato | mhb: now you can poke kwwii to make a theme for KMilo :D | 02:38 |
raxiv | kwwii: hows the progress on the site? : ) | 02:38 |
_StefanS_ | Jucato: yes I imagine.. unfortunately the job(s) require international travel which I not very fond of. | 02:38 |
mhb | Jucato: no reason to | 02:38 |
Jucato | mhb: oh? ok :) | 02:38 |
_StefanS_ | Jucato: cant really leave the family behind for weeks, you know | 02:38 |
kwwii | raxiv: well, we have decided to use something like my new design, and basically use similar pieces as seen in the ubuntu website to create the front page | 02:39 |
Jucato | _StefanS_: ditto. I have a "job" here at church too... | 02:39 |
mhb | Jucato: actually the "compact widget patch" seems to be enough | 02:39 |
raxiv | yep, thats what You wrote in the e-mail I recieved kwwii ; ) | 02:39 |
kwwii | raxiv: I am busy working on the mobile edition atm, but if you want to start working on the site, feel free | 02:39 |
raxiv | kwwii : redfish huh? ; ) | 02:39 |
Jucato | mhb: ah ok. I was thinking of maybe something that would fit in with the general Kubuntu theme. maybe it already fits in nicely | 02:40 |
mhb | Jucato: do you have a meeting agenda point yet? :o)) | 02:40 |
Jucato | oh not yet lol | 02:40 |
kwwii | raxiv: ;-) | 02:40 |
mhb | Jucato: well you are getting close to having one | 02:40 |
raxiv | kwwii: As I don't want to INTERRUPT, but HELP, i'll wait for You - if You need , i have a PDA to test the site if needed. | 02:41 |
Jucato | lol you mean I should be the one to bring this kmilo patch up in the meeting? :) | 02:41 |
mhb | Jucato: how did you know ? :O) | 02:41 |
raxiv | kwwii: the mobile one of course. | 02:41 |
Jucato | mhb: hehe I was hoping you'd be the one, since you have tested it :P | 02:41 |
kwwii | raxiv: actually, I am working on the actual interface for it :-) | 02:42 |
kwwii | making the Uphone, as it were | 02:42 |
mhb | Jucato: the only reason why I don't want to do it is because I have so little free time | 02:42 |
raxiv | kwwii: oh, if You need feedback, illbe more then glade to assist. | 02:42 |
kwwii | cool | 02:43 |
Jucato | ok. I'll try asking around who'll be free to do it. I don't have technical knowledge to bring it forward myself | 02:43 |
mhb | Jucato: and I already have an agenda point, the only one that is on the Kubuntu/Meetings ... | 02:43 |
raxiv | kwwii : I just finished doing my last project so I'm kinda idle atm : p | 02:43 |
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raxiv | kwwii: http://kyou.eu <- Though aint sugar, its worth a look. | 02:44 |
Jucato | mhb: I don't have an agenda point, but more of a question/suggestion... but I'll probably ask about it informally first in here :) | 02:44 |
_StefanS_ | what kind of device is usable for the ubuntu mobile edition ? | 02:44 |
_StefanS_ | and can you buy them now ? | 02:44 |
mhb | Jucato: one thing I wonder about is what is the performance loss with having kmilo configurable | 02:45 |
Jucato | well, I think we already had a bit of performance loss with the activation animation thingy anyway :) | 02:46 |
mhb | Jucato: the "compact" theme with some hardcoded tweaks could be sufficient, if the performance loss is too big | 02:46 |
mhb | Jucato: it would be great if you found a person who can look into that and comment on that at the meeting | 02:47 |
mhb | Jucato: pretty please :o) | 02:48 |
Jucato | hehe I'll add it to the agenda. but I kinda feel uneasy about doing that because I don't really know much about it. | 02:48 |
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mhb | Jucato: you rock! :o) | 02:53 |
Jucato | :) | 02:53 |
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kwwii | raxiv: cool | 02:59 |
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raxiv | kwwii: indeed. | 02:59 |
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mhb | here comes another of my dim-witted questions | 04:23 |
mhb | why does guidance-powermanager have a pop-up about the power cord being unplugged? | 04:24 |
gnomefreak | cant be any worse than the one i just heard :( | 04:24 |
gnomefreak | ok i take that back | 04:24 |
mhb | gnomefreak: I knew you would :o) | 04:25 |
gnomefreak | i heard how do you make an ntfs partition inside a ext3 partition and get grub to boot to it | 04:25 |
gnomefreak | but he was troll | 04:25 |
mhb | gnomefreak: that's a nice one, too :o) No, I don't intend to troll | 04:26 |
gnomefreak | no i know | 04:26 |
mhb | I completely understand that the user should be bothered when the bettery goes low | 04:26 |
mhb | battery | 04:26 |
gnomefreak | i meant the guy with question | 04:26 |
mhb | but why should he be bothered (pop-up is one of the most violent ways to get attention) of an action he did himself? | 04:27 |
mhb | he knows the battery is being used because the tray icon has changed | 04:27 |
mhb | and he disconnects the power cord himself in 99% | 04:28 |
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mhb | of the cases | 04:28 |
mhb | take for example knetworkmanager - when the network goes down he doesn't say anything - well the user either did it himself or he'll notice soon enough | 04:29 |
mhb | (I believe he can notify you if you want, it's just not on by default) | 04:30 |
mhb | sebas: ^^ can you tell me if there's any reason for bothering the user that much, please? Sorry if I'm so dumb that I can't figure it out myself :o) | 04:32 |
sebas | mhb: The notification is not "You unplugged the cable", it's "You unplugged the cable therefore I'm switching to lower powerstate" | 04:39 |
mhb | sebas: isn't that what the user expects you to do? | 04:40 |
mhb | sebas: I mean - you just inform him, there's no way he can avoid that | 04:40 |
mhb | sebas: it has little to do with the discussion, but from my personal experience I'm seeing this pop-up way too often ... that made me thinking how useful it is | 04:42 |
sebas | Sure there is, open config dialogue, do things. | 04:42 |
sebas | I think it's useful though =) | 04:43 |
sebas | I've got to leave now, btw. | 04:43 |
mhb | sebas: sorry | 04:43 |
sebas | No problem ;-) | 04:44 |
mhb | sebas: I wonder what other people think though | 04:44 |
sebas | Maybe post it on the devel list, I'm not married to this kind of things, but I'm also not inclined to change it for only one person. | 04:44 |
ScottK | mhb: Have you got a suggestion for a less intrusive approach? | 04:45 |
mhb | sebas: me neither | 04:45 |
sebas | I'm reading the list, maybe someone comes up with a nicer solution. | 04:45 |
sebas | Maybe also the Qt4 dialogue will be less distracting | 04:45 |
mhb | sebas: just wanted to bring it up | 04:45 |
sebas | Sure, that's cool :) | 04:45 |
sebas | powermanager should be ported to Qt4 shortly, then we can do it differently anyway | 04:45 |
sebas | Running out now! | 04:45 |
sebas | Love! | 04:45 |
mhb | sebas: see you & thanks | 04:45 |
mhb | ScottK: well I had doubts whether it is useful for common people or not | 04:46 |
ScottK | Dunno. I think see if it can be done smarter in qt4 is the right approach. | 04:47 |
mhb | ScottK: perhaps, yes | 04:47 |
mhb | ScottK: I'll ask about opinions on the ML | 04:48 |
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jjesse | morning | 04:53 |
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mhb | ScottK: mail sent, feel free to comment on it if you own a laptop | 05:10 |
mhb | everyone else:^^ | 05:10 |
mhb | thanks folks, see you later | 05:11 |
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nixternal | jjesse: I will be at Union Station tomorrow at about 4:45/5:00 | 05:28 |
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nixternal | boo | 05:29 |
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bddebian | Heya | 05:30 |
bddebian | Hi nixternal :-) | 05:30 |
nixternal | how is Philly this morning? | 05:30 |
bddebian | Warm and humid :-( | 05:31 |
nixternal | ya, we cooled down here today, yesterday was warm and humid...so prepare for the storms then | 05:31 |
jjesse | nixternal: ok, i'll have to find that | 05:31 |
nixternal | jjesse: walk out of 111 W. Adams, turn left, right across the river from the Sears Tower | 05:32 |
jjesse | nixternal: cool | 05:32 |
nixternal | oh shat, today's is mums b-day and I haven't gotten her a gift | 05:32 |
jjesse | bummer | 05:32 |
nixternal | I will have to go get one here in a bit | 05:32 |
Jucato | nixternal: did you get her a gift on mother's day? :) | 05:33 |
nixternal | yup | 05:33 |
Jucato | tell her that's her advanced birthday gift too :) | 05:34 |
Jucato | we usually have that "economy of gifts" over here hehehe :) | 05:34 |
bddebian | nixternal: Yeah, we are supposed to get t-storms tonight I think | 05:35 |
raxiv | i always buy flowers. Am I creative? | 05:35 |
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jjesse | nixternal: i'll just head that way after class tomorrow | 05:35 |
bddebian | ScottK: :-( | 05:36 |
jjesse | somone in class takes the train from union station so i'll just follow him | 05:36 |
Jucato | some how, because of economy of gifts, I don't get gifts on christmas.. but usually 2 months before or after :D | 05:37 |
nixternal | sounds good to me | 05:39 |
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Hobbsee | morning all! | 07:29 |
bddebian | Heya Hobbsee | 07:29 |
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Riddell | \sh_away: update-notifier funtionality would be in adept-notifier (which does most of what update-notifier does already) | 08:02 |
Hobbsee | hiya Riddell | 08:02 |
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Riddell | hi Hobbsee | 08:17 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: flight back ok? | 08:17 |
Hobbsee | :) | 08:17 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: 36 hours, 4 and a bit planes, 3 trains, 1 car and 1 taxi. | 08:18 |
Hobbsee | and i'm not quite so jetlagged today, but that's been evil too. | 08:18 |
Hobbsee | and far too much uni work to contemplate | 08:19 |
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ubuntu | Not many people helping out in #kubuntu :( | 08:31 |
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