[12:22] <ubuntu_>  /nick Daskreech
[12:31] <manchicken> !seen tonio_
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen tonio_ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:33] <manchicken> seen tonio_
[12:33] <manchicken> @seen tonio_
[12:33] <manchicken> Damned bot!  Anticipate the meaning of my request~!
[12:33] <Hobbsee> blerg
[12:33] <Hobbsee> manchicken: /msg seenserv seen tonio_
[12:33] <manchicken> Aww, weak.
[12:36] <manchicken> I wonder if he's having connection trouble.
[12:36] <manchicken> Well, it's late in the EU, isn't it?
[12:37] <mhb> yes it is
[12:37] <mhb> 00:37 is not *that* late, but it is
[12:37] <manchicken> You'd think by now that I'd have this timezone thing figured out.
[01:36] <ryanakca> hmmm... How do I know if this KMail bug is KDE4 or 3.5.6, or even just my messed up system
[01:37] <ScottK> ryanakca: If it involves IMAP It's a safe bet it's kmail's fault.
[01:38] <ScottK> Not tha I'm bitter or anything....
[01:38] <ScottK> tha/that
[01:38] <ryanakca> I click on a message in KMail, and it erases the message... well, the message is still in the list, just that it says "Subject: No Subject, Sender: Unknown, Date: unknown"
[01:38] <ryanakca> nah, POP
[01:38] <ScottK> ryanakca: Sounds like index corruption.
[01:38] <ryanakca> hmm....
[01:39] <ScottK> IIRC you look in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail and delete the indexes and let kmail regenerate them.
[01:39] <ryanakca> how do I fix it?
[01:39] <ryanakca> kk
[01:39] <ryanakca> thanks
[01:39] <ScottK> ryanakca: I don't recall the exact procedure, Google probably has details.
[01:42] <ryanakca> hmmm... KDE keeps krashing
[01:44] <ryanakca> I installed KDE4 as per the directions on kubuntu.org, but it seems to have mingled with my stable KDE
[02:01] <jjesse> why does hotel wireless always suck
[02:03] <Tm_T> jjesse: I have only gprs connection at home, wanna switch?
[02:03] <ScottK> Because by the time you know it sucks they already have your money.
[02:03] <jjesse> Tm_T: i'll pass
[02:03] <Tm_T> hah, I knew it
[02:03] <jjesse> ScottK: agreed
[02:04] <Tm_T> its fun to type line thru ssh and wait minute or two to it appear
[02:04] <jjesse> seriously whether its a marriott hotel, hilton hotle or others, they are always slower then my dsl connection at home
[02:06] <Tm_T> =)
[02:06] <Tm_T> I would love to get one of those free net connections now
[02:06] <jjesse> i've done that before, the hotel i was at was charge 9.95/night and there was a neighbor hotel that was free
[02:09] <Tm_T> actually there's one open wlan in neighbourhood but I fail to manage to connect with my usb stick
[02:09] <Tm_T> + weak signal
[02:09] <jjesse> that's a bummer
[02:10] <Tm_T> also I don't find it right to use one's wlan
[02:10] <Tm_T> without permission that is
[02:10] <jjesse> there was one hotel where the only place i could decent signel was in the bathroom, resting my laptop on the toliet seat
[02:10] <Tm_T> but oh, now if someone call to me, I lose connection =)
[02:11] <Tm_T> but then again, no one call me =)
[02:14] <Tm_T> bah, time to give up and take painkillers
[02:19] <Tm_T> one thing can make my body hurt like this and that is: sports
[02:26] <jjesse> a particular sport?
[02:27] <Tm_T> well, in this case it was han moo do
[02:27] <Tm_T> you know taekwondo?
[02:27] <jjesse> yes
[02:28] <Tm_T> well similar but "newer"
[02:28] <jjesse> interesting
[02:28] <Tm_T> and no, it wasn't my idea to use 4 hours breaking my body
[02:29] <jjesse> i just do crazy things like try and run half marathons
[02:29] <jjesse> nothing like running for 3 hours
[02:30] <Tm_T> haha, apparently I can still run 100 meters in 14 seconds
[02:30] <jjesse> wow congrats, were you running away from the police?
[02:30] <Tm_T> and I thought I'm in slow condition
[02:30] <jjesse> i do about 12 minute miles
[02:30] <jjesse> and my wife is faster then me
[02:30] <Tm_T> :)
[02:30] <jjesse> she does 11 minute miles
[02:39] <Tm_T> nice, 9 minute cutout
[02:39] <Tm_T> and you whine about crappy wlan
[02:40] <jjesse> wow
[02:40] <jjesse> sorry dude
[02:40] <Tm_T> ;--P
[02:40] <Tm_T> atleast I'm getting fullspeed gprs again
[02:40] <Tm_T> "wow, 5 kb/s !"
[02:41] <jjesse> oooo a mcdonalds in chicago served a happy meal with pot, a pipe, and a lighter
[02:41] <jjesse> that is awesome
[02:41] <Tm_T> awesome? howcome?
[02:41] <jjesse> its funny, awesome was sarcastic
[02:41] <Tm_T> ah ok
[02:42] <Tm_T> wow, I can get ping lower than 1000 ms
[02:42] <jjesse> i feel sorry for you
[02:42] <Tm_T> haha
[02:43] <jjesse> is internet really expensive for you then?
[02:43] <jjesse> sorry i forget where you are from
[02:43] <Tm_T> you know, at times this is the only connection I get for months =)
[02:43] <Tm_T> from Finland, and I'm with gprs because of moving, no adsl yet here, but coming I hope
[02:44] <Tm_T> slowest adsl they offer me is 5/2 I think, so it might be slightly faster than this
[02:45] <Tm_T> no, that's not slowest, but cheapest apparently
[02:45] <jjesse> oh 5 meg down/2 meg up?
[02:46] <Tm_T> yes
[02:53] <Tm_T> you're yankee, right?
[02:53] <jjesse> i'm from the us
[02:53] <Tm_T> that's what I meant (:
[02:53] <jjesse> no problem i understood
[02:54] <Tm_T> heh, that reminds me, we have chewing cum brand Jenkki (yankee)
[02:55] <jjesse> thats funny
[02:55] <jjesse> if you are in finland, aren't you up aweful later?
[02:55] <Tm_T> yes
[02:56] <Tm_T> remember me mentioning sports'n'stuff? ;)
[02:56] <jjesse> yup is that why you are up late then?
[02:56] <Tm_T> yes
[02:59] <Tm_T> let's see how well sshfs works over ppp =)
[03:04] <jjesse> hello longpointystick
[03:04] <Tm_T> guess what, it works just fine
[03:05] <jjesse> awesome
[03:09] <Tm_T> let's see how long it takes to upload a screenshot (sshfs)
[03:09] <Tm_T> hi Jucato-san
[03:10] <jjesse> hello Jucato
[03:10] <Jucato> hello Tm_T-sensei :)
[03:10] <Jucato> hi jjesse :)
[03:11] <Jucato> lol
[03:12] <Jucato> jjesse (or nixternal): btw, will there be an online Kubuntu 7.04 documentation
[03:12] <Jucato> I mean, on help.ubuntu.com
[03:13] <Tm_T> gotta love kppp <3
[03:13] <jjesse> Jucato: i don't remeember exactly how that is working since the change to topic based help, but i know there should be
[03:13] <Jucato> ah
[03:14] <jjesse> i trying to remember how that discussion is going
[03:15] <Jucato> ok. no biggie. just curious :)
[03:16] <Jucato> the important thing is that there's an offline version available :)
[03:16] <jjesse> yeah
[03:25] <Tm_T> aww
[03:26] <jjesse> aw what now?
[03:26] <Tm_T> looks like sshfs doesn't handle very well 10 min cuts between reconnection
[03:27] <Tm_T> and haven't timed out even
[03:27] <Tm_T> or, it's more ssh issue
[03:28] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current-temp4.png <- rest of image is still in this end waiting
[03:29] <Tm_T> I wonder why I need to reboot my phone often today
[03:32] <Tm_T> I wonder why ssh fails to time out properly
[03:40] <Tm_T> aah, finally
[04:03] <jjesse> Tm_T: do you do a lot of work locally and then upload via ssh?
[05:38] <nixternal> Jucato: we need to transfer the Kubuntu docs over to kubuntu.org, as it seems h.u.c has no love for us
[05:39] <Jucato> nixternal: aw... :(
[05:39] <nixternal> go figure
[05:39] <Jucato> then we can probably just link to the kubuntu.org page in h.u.c.
[05:39] <nixternal> I have no control of h.u.c so I can't say
[05:39] <Jucato> that... is... :(
[05:40] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!!
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[09:54] <Tonio_> yop
[09:58] <Tonio_> fine Jucato ?
[09:59] <Jucato> barely... still having mild asthma attacks here and there :)
[09:59] <Jucato> btw, do you remember who was it who wondered if it were possible to change the KMilo OSD appearance?
[09:59] <Jucato> and of course, how are you? :)
[10:00] <Jucato> (lol my brain isn't in order apparently)
[10:00] <Tonio_> Jucato: can you print a pdf file via konqueror for example ?
[10:00] <Tonio_> crashes here
[10:00] <Tonio_> Jucato: I don't remember no...... but to what I know, that's not possible without touching the code
[10:01] <Jucato> yeah, someone from kde-apps seems to have made a patch to do just that
[10:01] <Tonio_> Jucato: and about the pdf printing ?
[10:01] <Jucato> oh I can't check Konqueror on Kubuntu right now. sorry
[10:02] <Tonio_> gs just seems to crash
[10:02] <Tonio_> Jucato: okay ;) np
[12:15] <mhb> good afternoon
[12:17] <Jucato> hi mhb
[12:17] <Jucato> mhb: were you the one who suggested changing the appearance of the KMilo OSD a few months ago?
[12:19] <mhb> Jucato: that's me
[12:19] <Jucato> mhb: might be interested in this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin?content=56287
[12:20] <Jucato> just saw it from my feeds
[12:20] <mhb> lovely
[12:21] <mhb> Jucato: I really love when people think the same things I do :o)
[12:21] <Jucato> hehehe :)
[12:22] <mhb> Jucato: have you tried it yet?
[12:22] <Jucato> nope. just saw it this afternoon
[12:26] <mhb> Jucato: do you plan to try it?
[12:26] <Jucato> hm... I can't. I haven't even seen KMilo's shadow in a long time... never got around to finding out why
[12:27] <mhb> okay, no problem
[01:49] <\sh> Riddell, I read something about providing something like gnomes update-notifier for kde/kubuntu...is it planned to integrate it into the update-notifier source?
[01:58] <\sh> moins kwwii
[01:59] <kwwii> howdy \sh
[01:59] <raxiv> hiya kwwii.
[02:02] <kwwii> hi raxiv
[02:27] <_StefanS_> kwiii
[02:28] <_StefanS_> \sh: the restricted drivers manager was going to be ported
[02:28] <_StefanS_> \sh: dont know about the update notifier
[02:29] <Jucato> hi _StefanS_!
[02:29] <_StefanS_> hey Jucatoowww
[02:29] <_StefanS_> Ju-cow
[02:29] <_StefanS_> :D
[02:29] <_StefanS_> anything happening?
[02:30] <Jucato> hm.. nothing much
[02:30] <Jucato> just distro-touring, sort of... :)
[02:30] <Jucato> and of course, still learning C++ lol
[02:32] <_StefanS_> how is the c++ coming?
[02:32] <_StefanS_> good progress?
[02:32] <Jucato> slow progress.
[02:32] <Jucato> procrastination++
[02:33] <Jucato> but still progressing. that's the good news :)
[02:34] <Jucato> unfortunately, my MOTU ambitions seems to be the one that's regressing...
[02:34] <_StefanS_> oh, so you're opting for being able to put packages in universe, or is it multiverse also ?
[02:35] <Jucato> the *verses :)
[02:35] <Jucato> actually I wanted to study packaging
[02:36] <mhb> Jucato: thanks for that link earlier
[02:36] <_StefanS_> uhm cool, I gotta be employed full time for canonical soon, so I can do some stuff that interests me ;)
[02:36] <mhb> you will be?
[02:37] <_StefanS_> no :)
[02:37] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:37] <_StefanS_> just thinking that it would be cool to spend full time on kubuntu
[02:37] <Jucato> mhb: no problem. the moment I saw that announcement, I immediately thought of you heheh
[02:37] <Jucato> _StefanS_: you think? just ask Riddell :D
[02:37] <mhb> Jucato: I've compiled it and it's really nice
[02:37] <kwwii> :-)
[02:38] <Jucato> it must be uber nice to work on Kubuntu :)
[02:38] <Jucato> mhb: now you can poke kwwii to make a theme for KMilo :D
[02:38] <raxiv> kwwii: hows the progress on the site? : )
[02:38] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes I imagine.. unfortunately the job(s) require international travel which I not very fond of.
[02:38] <mhb> Jucato: no reason to
[02:38] <Jucato> mhb: oh? ok :)
[02:38] <_StefanS_> Jucato: cant really leave the family behind for weeks, you know
[02:39] <kwwii> raxiv: well, we have decided to use something like my new design, and basically use similar pieces as seen in the ubuntu website to create the front page
[02:39] <Jucato> _StefanS_: ditto. I have a "job" here at church too...
[02:39] <mhb> Jucato: actually the "compact widget patch" seems to be enough
[02:39] <raxiv> yep, thats what You wrote in the e-mail I recieved kwwii ; )
[02:39] <kwwii> raxiv: I am busy working on the mobile edition atm, but if you want to start working on the site, feel free
[02:39] <raxiv> kwwii : redfish huh? ; )
[02:40] <Jucato> mhb: ah ok. I was thinking of maybe something that would fit in with the general Kubuntu theme. maybe it already fits in nicely
[02:40] <mhb> Jucato: do you have a meeting agenda point yet? :o))
[02:40] <Jucato> oh not yet lol
[02:40] <kwwii> raxiv: ;-)
[02:40] <mhb> Jucato: well you are getting close to having one
[02:41] <raxiv> kwwii: As I don't want to INTERRUPT, but HELP, i'll wait for You - if You need , i have a PDA to test the site if needed.
[02:41] <Jucato> lol you mean I should be the one to bring this kmilo patch up in the meeting? :)
[02:41] <mhb> Jucato: how did you know ? :O)
[02:41] <raxiv> kwwii: the mobile one of course.
[02:41] <Jucato> mhb: hehe I was hoping you'd be the one, since you have tested it :P
[02:42] <kwwii> raxiv: actually, I am working on the actual interface for it :-)
[02:42] <kwwii> making the Uphone, as it were
[02:42] <mhb> Jucato: the only reason why I don't want to do it is because I have so little free time
[02:42] <raxiv> kwwii: oh, if You need feedback, illbe more then glade to assist.
[02:43] <kwwii> cool
[02:43] <Jucato> ok. I'll try asking around who'll be free to do it. I don't have technical knowledge to bring it forward myself
[02:43] <mhb> Jucato: and I already have an agenda point, the only one that is on the Kubuntu/Meetings ...
[02:43] <raxiv> kwwii : I just finished doing my last project so I'm kinda idle atm : p
[02:44] <raxiv> kwwii: http://kyou.eu <- Though aint sugar, its worth a look.
[02:44] <Jucato> mhb: I don't have an agenda point, but more of a question/suggestion... but I'll probably ask about it informally first in here :)
[02:44] <_StefanS_> what kind of device is usable for the ubuntu mobile edition ?
[02:44] <_StefanS_> and can you buy them now ?
[02:45] <mhb> Jucato: one thing I wonder about is what is the performance loss with having kmilo configurable
[02:46] <Jucato> well, I think we already had a bit of performance loss with the activation animation thingy anyway :)
[02:46] <mhb> Jucato: the "compact" theme with some hardcoded tweaks could be sufficient, if the performance loss is too big
[02:47] <mhb> Jucato: it would be great if you found a person who can look into that and comment on that at the meeting
[02:48] <mhb> Jucato: pretty please :o)
[02:48] <Jucato> hehe I'll add it to the agenda. but I kinda feel uneasy about doing that because I don't really know much about it.
[02:53] <mhb> Jucato: you rock! :o)
[02:53] <Jucato> :)
[02:59] <kwwii> raxiv: cool
[02:59] <raxiv> kwwii: indeed.
[04:03] <freeflying> anyone use gutsy now? can confirm a problem for me? knm can not start up, due to some file lack in networkstatus
[04:23] <mhb> here comes another of my dim-witted questions
[04:24] <mhb> why does guidance-powermanager have a pop-up about the power cord being unplugged?
[04:24] <gnomefreak> cant be any worse than the one i just heard :(
[04:24] <gnomefreak> ok i take that back
[04:25] <mhb> gnomefreak: I knew you would :o)
[04:25] <gnomefreak> i heard how do you make an ntfs partition inside a ext3 partition and get grub to boot to it
[04:25] <gnomefreak> but he was troll
[04:26] <mhb> gnomefreak: that's a nice one, too :o) No, I don't intend to troll
[04:26] <gnomefreak> no i know
[04:26] <mhb> I completely understand that the user should be bothered when the bettery goes low
[04:26] <mhb> battery
[04:26] <gnomefreak> i meant the guy with question
[04:27] <mhb> but why should he be bothered (pop-up is one of the most violent ways to get attention) of an action he did himself?
[04:27] <mhb> he knows the battery is being used because the tray icon has changed
[04:28] <mhb> and he disconnects the power cord himself in 99%
[04:28] <mhb> of the cases
[04:29] <mhb> take for example knetworkmanager - when the network goes down he doesn't say anything - well the user either did it himself or he'll notice soon enough
[04:30] <mhb> (I believe he can notify you if you want, it's just not on by default)
[04:32] <mhb> sebas: ^^ can you tell me if there's any reason for bothering the user that much, please? Sorry if I'm so dumb that I can't figure it out myself :o)
[04:39] <sebas> mhb: The notification is not "You unplugged the cable", it's "You unplugged the cable therefore I'm switching to lower powerstate"
[04:40] <mhb> sebas: isn't that what the user expects you to do?
[04:40] <mhb> sebas: I mean - you just inform him, there's no way he can avoid that
[04:42] <mhb> sebas: it has little to do with the discussion, but from my personal experience I'm seeing this pop-up way too often ... that made me thinking how useful it is
[04:42] <sebas> Sure there is, open config dialogue, do things.
[04:43] <sebas> I think it's useful though =)
[04:43] <sebas> I've got to leave now, btw.
[04:43] <mhb> sebas: sorry
[04:44] <sebas> No problem ;-)
[04:44] <mhb> sebas: I wonder what other people think though
[04:44] <sebas> Maybe post it on the devel list, I'm not married to this kind of things, but I'm also not inclined to change it for only one person.
[04:45] <ScottK> mhb: Have you got a suggestion for a less intrusive approach?
[04:45] <mhb> sebas: me neither
[04:45] <sebas> I'm reading the list, maybe someone comes up with a nicer solution.
[04:45] <sebas> Maybe also the Qt4 dialogue will be less distracting
[04:45] <mhb> sebas: just wanted to bring it up
[04:45] <sebas> Sure, that's cool :)
[04:45] <sebas> powermanager should be ported to Qt4 shortly, then we can do it differently anyway
[04:45] <sebas> Running out now!
[04:45] <sebas> Love!
[04:45] <mhb> sebas: see you & thanks
[04:46] <mhb> ScottK: well I had doubts whether it is useful for common people or not
[04:47] <ScottK> Dunno.  I think see if it can be done smarter in qt4 is the right approach.
[04:47] <mhb> ScottK: perhaps, yes
[04:48] <mhb> ScottK: I'll ask about opinions on the ML
[04:53] <jjesse> morning
[05:10] <mhb> ScottK: mail sent, feel free to comment on it if you own a laptop
[05:10] <mhb> everyone else:^^
[05:11] <mhb> thanks folks, see you later
[05:28] <nixternal> jjesse: I will be at Union Station tomorrow at about 4:45/5:00
[05:29] <nixternal> boo
[05:30] <bddebian> Heya
[05:30] <bddebian> Hi nixternal :-)
[05:30] <nixternal> how is Philly this morning?
[05:31] <bddebian> Warm and humid :-(
[05:31] <nixternal> ya, we cooled down here today, yesterday was warm and humid...so prepare for the storms then
[05:31] <jjesse> nixternal: ok, i'll have to find that
[05:32] <nixternal> jjesse: walk out of 111 W. Adams, turn left, right across the river from the Sears Tower
[05:32] <jjesse> nixternal: cool
[05:32] <nixternal> oh shat, today's is mums b-day and I haven't gotten her a gift
[05:32] <jjesse> bummer
[05:32] <nixternal> I will have to go get one here in a bit
[05:33] <Jucato> nixternal: did you get her a gift on mother's day? :)
[05:33] <nixternal> yup
[05:34] <Jucato> tell her that's her advanced birthday gift too :)
[05:34] <Jucato> we usually have that "economy of gifts" over here hehehe :)
[05:35] <bddebian> nixternal: Yeah, we are supposed to get t-storms tonight I think
[05:35] <raxiv> i always buy flowers. Am I creative?
[05:35] <jjesse> nixternal: i'll just head that way after class tomorrow
[05:36] <bddebian> ScottK: :-(
[05:36] <jjesse> somone in class takes the train from union station so i'll just follow him
[05:37] <Jucato> some how, because of economy of gifts, I don't get gifts on christmas.. but usually 2 months before or after :D
[05:39] <nixternal> sounds good to me
[07:29] <Hobbsee> morning all!
[07:29] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[08:02] <Riddell> \sh_away: update-notifier funtionality would be in adept-notifier (which does most of what update-notifier does already)
[08:02] <Hobbsee> hiya Riddell
[08:17] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[08:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: flight back ok?
[08:17] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: 36 hours, 4 and a bit planes, 3 trains, 1 car and 1 taxi.
[08:18] <Hobbsee> and i'm not quite so jetlagged today, but that's been evil too.
[08:19] <Hobbsee> and far too much uni work to contemplate
[08:31] <ubuntu> Not many people helping out in #kubuntu :(