[12:19] <johan> Hi, which product/project should I report bugs which are related to the javascript menus used in launchpad?
[12:20] <thumper> johan: launchpad
[12:20] <mpt> TheSheep, I fixed that bug over a week ago, I'm sorry the fix hasn't been applied yet
[12:21] <TheSheep> mpt: to me it looks like some elemnts are not closed properly, and ff and opera autoclose them differently
[12:21] <johan> hi mpt 
[12:21] <mpt> hi johan 
[12:21] <johan> mpt: you'll love this bug; it should not be possible to select/active a menu entry if there are submenus
[12:21] <TheSheep> mpt: it would be much easier to debug if the (x)html validated in general :(
[12:21] <mpt> mthaddon, when are you next applying cherrypicks? Did you apply any last week?
[12:22] <mthaddon> mpt: didn't last week - scheduled to apply Thursday 05:30 UTC
[12:22] <mpt> TheSheep, it's because Opera 9.2 pays attention to a workaround for a CSS bug in Internet Explorer, without having the same CSS bug as Internet Explorer
[12:22] <TheSheep> mpt: * html ?
[12:22] <mpt> TheSheep, no, the triple-X hack
[12:23] <mpt> TheSheep, in the meantime, you can use edge.launchpad.net
[12:23] <TheSheep> mpt: thank you
[12:23] <mpt> (if you receive a URL in an e-mail notification or whatever, change "launchpad.net" to "edge.launchpad.net", e.g. bugs.edge.launchpad.net)
[12:23] <TheSheep> mpt: by the way, great job, I find the options much faster with the new layout
[12:24] <mpt> It's an improvement, yes
[12:25] <mpt> johan, why not?
[12:25] <johan> mpt: none of the menus I've used provides a way to both select and have sub menus/options
[12:27] <mpt> johan, Mac OS menus used to :-)
[12:27] <mpt> but the menus aren't my business, really
[12:27] <johan> mpt: how confusing!
[12:27] <mpt> yes
[12:28] <mpt> The nearest analogy I can think of is the "File Bookmark" submenu in Netscape 4
[12:28] <johan> luckily most of the people that ever used old Mac OS are now dead :-)
[12:28] <mpt> johan, meanwhile, we're wondering why you're not jdahlin any more
[12:29] <johan> mpt: easy, johan is now available
[12:30] <mpt> The previous johan is now dead? :-)
[12:30] <johan> mpt: I /ghost him almost everyday :D
[12:31] <johan> Maybe, but only if he ever used old Mac OS.
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #114921 in launchpad "Javascript menus are difficult to use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114921
[01:07] <atoponce> is there an admin around that can make an admin decision? :)
[01:08] <thumper> atoponce: not really, most are sleeping
[01:08] <atoponce> thumper: i think we chatted last time
[01:08] <thumper> atoponce: what decision are you after?
[01:08] <atoponce> about the CA LoCo page
[01:08] <atoponce> i need to make a member an admin
[01:09] <atoponce> as the current admin has gone awol, with no email replies from me at all
[01:09] <atoponce> https://launchpad.net/~california.team/
[01:09] <thumper> atoponce: perhaps best to go through Jono as he is LoCo person, and he can poke the appropriate people
[01:10] <atoponce> mark nielson is the current admin, and he's approving new members, but every attempt to contact has failed
[01:10] <atoponce> jono is tough to get ahold of
[01:10] <thumper> atoponce: I'm sure he'd answer his emails
[01:10] <atoponce> ok. i'll fire an email his way
[01:11] <thumper> atoponce: if still you have no success, try during the workday of europe
[01:12] <atoponce> ok
[01:12] <atoponce> thx
[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #114929 in launchpad "Team description field should suggest including participation instructions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114929
[04:11] <gdoubleu> do I contact feedback@launchpad.net to request the import of a project from CVS or is there an online form to request this?
[04:27] <jamesh> gdoubleu: what is the project?
[04:30] <gdoubleu> jamesh: I just registered the pymetrics project on launchpad, which I was wanting to import from the PyMetrics sourceforge project
[04:31] <jamesh> gdoubleu: okay.  You'll notice that there is a "trunk" link in the Timeline section of the project page
[04:32] <jamesh> gdoubleu: Launchpad binds imports to a particular release series of the project
[04:32] <jamesh> gdoubleu: so if you go to the trunk series (https://launchpad.net/pymetrics/trunk), and then click the "Edit source" link in the actions menu you can fill in the details
[04:33] <jamesh> that'll trigger a test import.  If the test passes, one of the admins will need to approve the import and make it available.
[04:36] <ajmitch> jamesh: and if it comes back as "Do Not Import"?
[04:36] <jamesh> ajmitch: ddaa or mwh would investigate it
[04:36] <jamesh> to check whether it is a problem with our importer, or if the details were entered wrong
[04:36] <ajmitch> do I need to file a support request to get it looked at?
[04:37] <jamesh> I don't think so.
[04:37] <jamesh> ddaa often emails the person directly.
[04:38] <jamesh> ajmitch: ah.  we don't generally do non-mainline imports, since cscvs doesn't easily handle related branches
[04:38] <ajmitch> right
[04:38] <ajmitch> so I just need to use bzr-svn directly
[04:39] <jamesh> so e.g. you wouldn't be able to merge the changes you make on a 0.3 branch forward to one based on the main branch
[04:44] <gdoubleu> jamesh: so on the import page I've selected CVS, entered ":pserver:anonymous@pymetrics.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/pymetrics" as the Repository, "metrics" as the Module.  What am I supposed to enter for Branch?
[04:49] <jamesh> gdoubleu: MAIN
[04:53] <gdoubleu> and after the import, I will be able to make bzr branches from that, correct?
[04:55] <jamesh> gdoubleu: yes.
[04:55] <gdoubleu> jamesh: very cool, thanks for the help
[04:56] <jamesh> you'd be able to do "bzr branch lp:pymetrics"
[04:58] <gdoubleu> I saw that when you add a branch you can tie it to a bug.  Is this still possible if the project is using an external bug tracker?
[04:59] <jamesh> gdoubleu: not directly.
[04:59] <jamesh> gdoubleu: if you have a bug on the Ubuntu package of pymetrics, you could link that to the remote SF bug and to your branch
[05:01] <jamesh> gdoubleu: you should probably link the project to the SourceForge tracker here: https://launchpad.net/pymetrics/+launchpad
[06:42] <mpt> BjornT, have you seen Valient Gough's message on launchpad-users@?
[07:22] <jamesh> mpt: I think it is a case of confusion between bugs on upstream projects and ubuntu packages
[07:22] <jamesh> compare https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/encfs with https://bugs.launchpad.net/encfs
[08:57] <carlos> morning
[10:07] <lifeless> moin
[10:07] <lifeless> bdmurray: yo
[11:47] <gnomefreak> the guy with the postfix issue is at it again :(
[11:49] <jamesh> same bug?
[11:50] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:51] <gnomefreak> its not a dupe either so noone ever redupped it
[11:52] <jamesh> what's the bug number again?
[11:52] <gnomefreak> im looking at it im not sure if same but this bug is bug 114943
[11:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114943 in firefox "[EDGY]  firefox crashed [@gtk_style_realize]  [@IA__gtk_style_attach] " [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114943 - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[11:55] <jamesh> gnomefreak: last message is 2 hours ago according to the bug page.  Are the messages still coming through?
[11:56] <gnomefreak> let me check times on emails
[11:56] <gnomefreak> yep almost 3 hours ago
[11:56] <gnomefreak> i guess you got this one already?
[11:57] <jamesh> maybe
[11:59] <jamesh> gnomefreak: fyi: the problem appears to be related to mangling performed by spammotel.com (it appears to lose the return-path and rewrite the from address).  BjornT is putting together a fix to drop these sort of messages despite the mangling.
[11:59] <gnomefreak> jamesh: ok ty
[02:26] <ubotu> New bug: #115020 in rosetta "Allow copying translations when creating a new product release" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115020
[02:30] <putt1ck> hi
[02:31] <putt1ck> A question: has does a project become a super-project?
[02:32] <Odd_Bloke> putt1ck: It could get bitten by a spider... :p  I believe the standard procedure is to ask in Answers and wait for a response.
[02:35] <putt1ck> Then off I go to ask... Thanks :)
[04:00] <BjornT> time for this week's non-au reviewer meeting
[04:00] <BjornT> == Agenda == * Roll call
[04:00] <BjornT>  * Next meeting
[04:00] <BjornT>  * Queue status.
[04:00] <BjornT>  * Other Business
[04:00] <BjornT> who's here?
[04:01] <bac> me
[04:01] <salgado> me
[04:02] <BjornT> flacoste: ping
[04:02] <BjornT> barry: ping
[04:02] <flacoste> me
[04:02] <barry> me
[04:04] <BjornT> == Next meeting ==
[04:05] <BjornT> next meeting will be 2007-05-23, at 1400 UTC as usual
[04:05] <BjornT> == Queue status ==
[04:05] <BjornT> there are 9 open reviews, 5 of them are over the 2 day service target.
[04:06] <BjornT> bac: you have an old one. how's it going with it?
[04:06] <bac> i did that review last wednesday and submitted it to kiko for mentoring.  he's been in london/uds/london until yesterday
[04:07] <BjornT> salgado: do you know how statik is doing with his branches?
[04:07] <flacoste> BjornT: statik is on vacation this week
[04:07] <bac> yesterday he acknowledged it and said he'd make it a priority
[04:07] <salgado> BjornT, I couldn't talk to him before he went on holidays
[04:07] <barry> i wonder if we don't need a new tag, something like mentor-review ?
[04:07] <bac> barry:  +1
[04:08] <flacoste> i don't think it's needed
[04:08] <flacoste> since this is a transition thing
[04:08] <bac> statik indicated he would be reading email in the evenings
[04:08] <flacoste> should we reassignthem?
[04:08] <BjornT> ok. i'll re-assign statik's branches after the meeting.
[04:09] <BjornT> i also don't think mentor-review is needed, it should go away soon anyway.
[04:10] <BjornT> SteveA: you have a (trivial) branch in your queue that's almost a month old.
[04:11] <BjornT> == Other business ==
[04:11] <BjornT> anything else?
[04:11] <flacoste> not from me
[04:11] <barry> i'm good
[04:12] <BjornT> cool, meeting ended. thanks for coming.
[04:12] <bac> BjornT: thanks
[04:12] <barry> short and sweet.  thanks BjornT!
[04:15] <flacoste> thx BjornT!
[04:47] <siretart> is it possible to have 'private' bzr branches in launchpad?
[04:47] <siretart> like in 'only members of the team can look at them'
[04:51] <radix> siretart: not as far as I know
[04:58] <bac> siretart: at the moment private branches are not available in launchpad
[04:59] <siretart> k. thanks!
[04:59] <bac> np
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #115050 in launchpad "[feature request]  XMPP uri for Jabber address" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115050
[06:50] <pochu> https://launchpad.net/~pochu/+packages has a broken link (the first package listed there, liferea 1.2.10c-0ubuntu1.1, which points to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/liferea/1.2.10c-0ubuntu1.1
[06:51] <pochu> It seems like some packages (or some -proposed uploads, at least) lead to a broken link. Another example is firestarter 1.0.3-1.2ubuntu3.2 at https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+packages
[06:52] <pochu> Is there a known reason for that (e.g. I should wait some time till the package build or something else) or should I file a bug report?
[06:55] <pochu> btw, it hasn't been uploaded to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/liferea/ yet, maybe that's the reason?
[07:50] <carlos> pochu: having 404 errors is not correct so yes, you should file a bug (or check whether it's already reported)
[07:50] <pochu> carlos: it isn't, gonna report right now :)
[07:51] <carlos> pochu: ok, thanks
[08:12] <Niwatori> is there anyone know how to create blueprints in launchpad?
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #115078 in launchpad "Broken link in /people/me/+packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115078
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #115084 in launchpad-answers "Find questions which have a bug linked" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115084
[09:29] <kbrooks> need help quick 
[09:29] <kbrooks> (sorry to interrupt if meeting now)
[09:30] <kbrooks> anyway um how to ask a question to a project?
[09:30] <kbrooks>  ah nm sry bye
[09:48] <keir> is launchpad ever going to get a tighly integrated wiki?
[09:48] <keir> after working with trac for ages, and REALLY liking it, i find the lack of pervasive wiki text unfortunate
[09:51] <kiko> keir, it's a planned feature, definitely
[09:51] <kiko> I also miss being able to format things nicely
[09:52] <keir> also: what about integrating bundle buggy?
[09:52] <keir> it's really become a linchpin(sp?) of bzr development
[09:53] <kiko> that I don't think we have ever discussed
[09:55] <pochu> kiko: I would like to add a bugwatch for a bug in Gentoo to a bug report, but Gentoo is not registered as a distribution. Is it possible to register it, as Debian and other distros are registered, or isn't it worth just for one bug report?
[09:55] <keir> pochu, i suspect if you add Gentoo, then others will add other bugwatches.
[09:56] <pochu> keir: that's a good point :)
[09:56] <pochu> But I can't (neither want) add it myself. Maybe the registry administrators?
[10:00] <kiko> pochu, it is possible to register it. what bug tracker does it use?
[10:04] <pochu> kiko: it's bugzilla: http://bugs.gentoo.org/
[10:09] <kiko> hang on.
[10:14] <kiko> pochu, added.
[10:15] <pochu> kiko: cool, thanks!
[10:17] <johnc4510> atoponce: you here?
[10:20] <atoponce> johnc4510: yeah. what's up?
[10:21] <johnc4510> atoponce: is there a meeting here today, or have i missed it?
[10:21] <atoponce> Wed May 16 20:21:10 UTC 2007
[10:21] <atoponce> yeah. it was 12 hours ago
[10:21] <johnc4510> rats
[10:21] <johnc4510> atoponce: never can convert properly
[10:21] <johnc4510> HEE HEE
[10:22] <atoponce> 'date -u' is your friend
[10:23] <johnc4510> atoponce: thanks, my problem is our launchpad page is administered by banditti and he is not active in loco, I need to find some way to add myself and one other as admins
[10:23] <atoponce> what's your launchpad page?
[10:23] <johnc4510> ?
[10:23] <johnc4510> atoponce: here:  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-arizona
[10:27] <atoponce> johnc4510: so 'banditti' is no longer active?
[10:28] <johnc4510> atoponce: he is not coming to meetings or answering emails     
[10:28] <johnc4510> atoponce: he has never come to a meeting or visited the irc channel
[10:29] <atoponce> johnc4510: ok. i would recommend getting in contact with a launchpad admin then. i am having the same issue with the california team LP page
[10:29] <johnc4510> atoponce: thanks, is there a link for that?
[10:29] <atoponce> not that i know of. you may want to email jono at ubuntu.com
[10:29] <atoponce> he might be able to help
[10:30] <johnc4510> atoponce: thanks so much    come visit us anytime,   
[10:48] <Rinchen> johnc4510, please submit the request here https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[10:48] <kiko> what's going on?
 atoponce: thanks, my problem is our launchpad page is administered by banditti and he is not active in loco, I need to find some way to add myself and one other as admins
[10:50] <Hobbsee> kiko: the world is exploding.  nothing major.  go back to sleep.
[10:51] <kiko> yawn
[10:53] <LaserJock> kiko!
[10:56] <kiko> LaserJock!
[10:56] <kiko> nice to see all these UDS people survived :)
[10:56] <Hobbsee> kiko: sort of
[10:57] <kiko> now now
[10:59] <ajmitch> survived?
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #115109 in malone "Search box not always visible at 800x600" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115109
[11:01] <kiko> the trip
[11:01] <kiko> dupe
[11:03] <mpt> yah, dup
[11:03] <mpt> Yet another example, kiko, of a duplicate that probably wouldn't have been reported if we were using a single project for Launchpad
[11:04] <mpt> because it was reported on Malone, and the original was on Launchpad, so wouldn't have shown up in the list of suggestions
[11:04] <kiko> mpt, I think that's not the only explanation. we could also search for dupes through a project group's projects.
[11:04] <kiko> there is a way to fix that without regrouping all our projects.
[11:04] <mpt> That would be inappropriate most of the time, I think
[11:04] <mpt> maybe it would be appropriate for bzr vs. bzrtools
[11:05] <kiko> and for rosetta versus launchpad
[11:05] <mpt> no, that's the same as the first example
[11:05] <mpt> duplicate! :-P
[11:05] <kiko> s/no, //
[11:05] <kiko> yes
[11:06] <kiko> I just don't see concrete evidence that grouping all our projects into one will help much.
[11:06] <kiko> if it just means I need to file dupes every blue moon I am not bothered.
[11:06] <mpt> there are other problems
[11:06] <mpt> e.g. marking spec dependencies
[11:06] <kiko> spec dependencies?
[11:07] <mpt> You can't mark a blueprint in one project as dependent on a blueprint in another project
[11:07] <matsubara> so, bug 94323 should be the master bug for 103303 as well?
[11:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94323 in launchpad "Large headings appear under tabs or push search field under tabs" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94323 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[11:07] <mpt> Someone e-mailed me to apologize for reporting a duplicate and wanting to know what "soyuz" meant
[11:07] <kiko> yes.
[11:07] <mpt> "Well, you shouldn't need to know this, but ..."
[11:07] <kiko> mpt, the blueprint limitation sounds like a bug.
[11:08] <kiko> mpt, and again, searching through bugs in the project group would solve that.
[11:08] <kiko> I mean, you should be able to depend a launchpad spec on a zope spec, hopefully.
[11:08] <mpt> true
[11:09] <mpt> but we're just dancing around the lack of bug categorization which large upstreams will need eventually anyway
[11:09] <kiko> mpt, I think projects and project groups provide a good framework for that, whereas it appears you don't. I would rather we believed that what we have right now is good enough until we have good proof of otherwise.
[11:10] <mpt> Mozilla is evidence otherwise
[11:10] <mpt> so is Gnome
[11:10] <kiko> I know that it isn't perfect but I also know that there are things we could do to make things better.
[11:10] <mpt> and KDE
[11:11] <kiko> evidence?
[11:11] <kiko> I think that's a bit strong of a word.
[11:11] <mpt> Yes, they have multiple projects which themselves have multiple components
[11:12] <mpt> some of them have only two components, but others would be inconvenienced by their bugs being in a single bucket
[11:12] <kiko> if you look real close up at the components you'll see that many projects don't actually split them up so well, and they could use tags to categorize them (in particular if we did official bug tags)
[11:12] <kiko> so...
[11:12] <kiko> I don't think we have /evidence/ that that's the right split
[11:12] <kiko> just that there are other systems with more than two-level hierarchies
[11:12] <kiko> with which i would agree
[11:12] <mpt> If we can make tags fulfil this role, then great
[11:13] <mpt> because that would be simpler than tags+categories
[11:13] <kiko> mpt, help me get official bug tags implemented. the database table is already there!
[11:13] <mpt> the who the what now?
[11:13] <mpt> official bug tags?
[11:13] <kiko> it's a way for projects to mark bug tags that are blessed
[11:13] <kiko> we'd be able to favor them in many ways in the UI
[11:13] <kiko> it'd be the bomb
[11:13] <mpt> "official tags" is a near-oxymoron
[11:14] <kiko> really?
[11:14] <mpt> well
[11:14] <mpt> in the Web apps that I see using tags
[11:14] <mpt> other than Launchpad
[11:14] <kiko> I don't think it's crazy to say that certain contexts will have blessed certain tags.
[11:15] <mpt> auto-completion would be nifty
[11:15] <kiko> there are many other improvements we could make.
[11:17] <mpt> hmm
[11:19] <mpt> so for tags to replace the LP projects, we'd need a bugtracking tag and a translations tag and a distributions tag etc
[11:19] <mpt> and for those to be offered as suggestions on the bug-reporting page
[11:19] <mpt> "Customers who used this tag also used..."
[11:19] <mpt> (j/k)
[11:20] <kiko> I'd still rather they were separate projects
[11:20] <kiko> but maybe that will change my mind once we see how it affects use of the feature.
[11:22] <mpt> My motives are partly selfish here, because getting rid of the "malone" project probably would fix bug 88818 at a stroke
[11:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88818 in malone "Many people report non-Launchpad bugs on Launchpad products" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88818 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[11:23] <thumper> morning kiko
[11:23] <kiko> I don't care very much about that bug. :)
[11:23] <kiko> hey thumper!
[11:24] <kiko> good to see you around
[11:24] <thumper> of course we are around
[11:24] <kiko> matsubara, flacoste: why is https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-answers/+question/6692 a 404?
[11:24] <thumper> kiko: why do we need to have the project in the above url?
[11:24] <matsubara> kiko: probably because someone changed the question target
[11:25] <mpt> kiko, I reported that bug a few days ago
[11:25] <mpt> the URL shouldn't contain the question target at all IMO
[11:25] <flacoste> kiko, bug 112990
[11:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112990 in launchpad-answers "Question URL shouldn't break when the question is retargeted" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112990
[11:25] <kiko> thumper, good question, but mostly because we want the question to appear in the correct context.
[11:25] <kiko> flacoste, thanks.
[11:25] <mpt> and showing the correct context shouldn't rely on what's in the URL
[11:25] <kiko> mpt, what should it rely on?
[11:25] <thumper> kiko: oooh kay...
[11:26] <mpt> kiko, context as retrieved from the DB
[11:26] <flacoste> kiko: well, the context object could set it
[11:26] <kiko> thumper, mostly. mpt and you know we could fetch that information from the question itself. but it's a lot easier if the URL stays sane while navigating under questions for launchpad..
[11:26] <mpt> I think we overestimate the importance of URLs, *a bit*
[11:26] <flacoste> that's exactly what I replied in the bug discussion
[11:27] <thumper> kiko: I was more thinking of situations where the question moves between projects
[11:27] <flacoste> well, not the overestimate part, but that URLs were part of the UI
[11:27] <mpt> partly because we (the Launchpad team) got so used to navigating by URL when Launchpad's navigation was much worse than it is now
[11:27] <thumper> kiko: and a good base url to hit like /bugs/+nnn
[11:27] <kiko> mpt, it is easier both from the UI perspective and from the implementation perspective in Zope3, mind you.
[11:27] <kiko> thumper, yeah, I don't disagree that's important
[11:28] <mpt> kiko, I know it's easy to implement, but I still think the harder way needs implementing, eventually for bugs too ;-)
[11:28] <mpt> easier, I mean
[11:28] <kiko> I don't think contextless bugs will help us..
[11:29] <mpt> I'm not saying they should be contextless, but that they should have simple URLs if they have only one context
[11:29] <mpt>  /questions/1234
[11:29] <mpt>  /bugs/1234
[11:29] <kiko> I think that as a shortcut is fine, but I am not sure the inconsistency in having them live there canonically is a good idea.
[11:29] <mpt>  /bugs/1234?context=projectthatitwasfiledonsubsequently
[11:29] <flacoste> hey mpt, thanks for your feedback on LiveHelp, but you still owe me comments on AnswerSpec
[11:29] <flacoste> just a reminder...
[11:29] <kiko> and I really don't like ?context=foo
[11:30] <kiko> REALLY
[11:30] <mpt> flacoste, sorry, I hadn't forgotten, I didn't get time for that one yesterday
[11:30] <mpt> kiko, not only is it better Google-wise, it's also an easier URL to hack
[11:30] <flacoste> mpt, no problem
[11:31] <flacoste> mpt, what about the problem that the URL switch from /ubuntu/+questions to /questions/XXXX as you navigate from the listing to the question itself?
[11:32] <flacoste> do you think we shouldn't care about that?
[11:32] <mpt> flacoste, I don't think that is a problem. At all.
[11:32] <kiko> I think it is, but..
[11:32] <mpt> Getting back to the question list is a single mouse click.
[11:33] <mpt> It's like Amazon not including category segments in its product URLs.
[11:34] <kiko> I can't believe you are talking about amazon URLs!
[11:34] <thumper> no one really looks at amazon urls
[11:34] <thumper> they use the sensible search stuff
[11:34] <thumper> and click through
[11:35] <thumper> . o 0 (no one looks at the urls cause  they are long and ugly)
[11:35] <mpt> ah, so there's the solution then
[11:35] <kiko> bespoke URLs from the devil himself
[11:35] <mpt> Make Launchpad URLs long and ugly so people don't look at them :-)
[11:36] <mpt> Remember, I'm suggesting making them *shorter*...
[11:36] <mpt> and without +s, even
[11:38] <mpt> It's not as if I can take "https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-answers/+question/6692" and lop off the "/6692" and get something useful, that's *still* a 404!
[11:38] <kiko> I think the fix for the bug could include making that DTRT..
[11:43] <flacoste> kiko, redirect +question to +questions?
[11:44] <kiko> flacoste, that too! I was thinking more of /6692 and /6691
[11:44] <jml> mpt: don't cry.