[01:49] <lasking> upgrade to 7.10  safe?
[01:51] <crimsun> if you're asking, then probably not.
[01:51] <lasking> thank you
[01:51] <crimsun> running the development branch is perilous at times.  You get what you pay for.
[02:20] <Amaranth> looking for someone to test my compiz-0.5.0+git20070514 packages
[02:32] <Amaranth> no brave folks around, eh?
[02:32] <Amaranth> oh well, you'll all get it in a couple days hopefully :)
[05:12] <_emet_> !gutsy
[05:12] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule Support in #ubuntu+1
[05:12] <ToHellWithGA> _emet_: holla
[05:12] <_emet_> hi
[05:12] <ToHellWithGA> are you trying it out yet?
[05:12] <_emet_> anyone know gutsy launchpad
[05:12] <_emet_> not yet
[05:12] <ToHellWithGA> the xfce side of things is pretty broken, but the gnome stuff is mostly ok
[05:13] <ToHellWithGA> and the new CLI stuff is champ
[05:14] <_emet_> I'm prob going to install it when the first alpha comes out
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> dist-upgrade
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> :)
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> more things break if you don't start fresh
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> then you can find/report more bugs
[05:18] <_emet_> true
[05:18] <_emet_> I might do it with this install
[05:19] <_emet_> seems gutsy is going to have an install-time option to only install open source things
[05:19] <ToHellWithGA> oh yeah, that's gonna rock
[05:21] <BHSPitMonkey> does that obsolete gnewsense?
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> that'd be cool
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> more unity is good, right?
[05:22] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah
[05:22] <Toma-> I hope theres no political banter in the installer :(
[05:23] <ToHellWithGA> i know it's not a big step of windows setup, but i really like not having to read/agree to a license to install ubuntu
[05:23] <ToHellWithGA> i feel really free when i'm not bothered with paperwork like that
[05:24] <ToHellWithGA> little things like that, they only take a moment not to do... but they feel so great
[06:19] <DanaG> Is there anything significantly new in Gutsy, so far?
[06:22] <ToHellWithGA> yeah
[06:22] <ToHellWithGA> the build toolchain
[06:22] <ToHellWithGA> also i think rtorrent is new
[06:22] <ToHellWithGA> although it could be updated in feisty as well
[06:22] <DanaG> I can back up my Feisty system on a whim, and dist-upgrade; however, now may be too early.
[06:22] <ToHellWithGA> some new buils of gnome and xfce stuff
[06:23] <ToHellWithGA> you can dist-upgrade and dist-downgrade
[06:23] <crimsun> the shiniest stuff right now is under the hood, namely Linux.
[06:23] <ToHellWithGA> i mean if you switch your sources back, you should be able to go back
[06:23] <crimsun> or Pidgin if that floats your boat.
[06:23] <DanaG> I added Pidgin to Feisty already.
[06:23] <DanaG> I did a dpkg --force-depends-version
[06:24] <ToHellWithGA> there's still "gaim-text" instead of "pidgin-text"
[06:24] <ToHellWithGA> was that project abandoned or was the link just forgotten?
[06:24] <DanaG> then since it kept wanting to remove the package, I removed the info about Pidgin from /var/lib/dpkg/status
[06:25] <BHSPitMonkey> I think pidgin's text client is to have a new name
[06:25] <ToHellWithGA> i hope it is called dove
[06:25] <ToHellWithGA> for being the same as a pigeon but with a nicer public image
[06:25] <BHSPitMonkey> whatever it is, it's been announced
[06:25] <DanaG> Finch.
[06:25] <BHSPitMonkey> the public isn't who uses text IM clients
[06:25] <BHSPitMonkey> Finch.
[06:25] <DanaG> Oh, and preferences are stored in .purple.
[06:26] <DanaG> Good luck trying to find that one, looking for .pidgin
[06:26] <DanaG> "Pidgin", I get -- it's a play on "pidgin" and "pigeon",
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> How is pidgin a play on pidgin?  That makes no sense...
[06:27] <DanaG> but I disagree with "finch" and "purple" -- where's the coherence?  But the Gaim, er, Pidgin devs don't seem to want to change anything now.
[06:27] <DanaG> look on Wikipedia.
[06:27] <DanaG> At least with Beryl, you have that and Emerald and Heliodor and Aquamarine.  Those are all various gems.
[06:28] <ToHellWithGA> buhbye.  goodnight.
[06:30] <DanaG> I still sometimes think Gusty as Gutsy.  Er, the other way around.  Aack, I just did it then, too.
[08:00] <Ademan> sorry, totally off topic, but #ubuntu is sort of ignoring me,  my friend's got a laptop with 128mb system ram, and I'm debating between reccomending ubuntu or xubuntu.  I found that xfce is a little lacking in the user friendlyness and i sorta would rather have him have a good first experience with ubuntu, but on the other hand, i dunno if 128mb is enough to run GNOME at any sort of reasonable speed, what do you guys think? (i'm
[08:00] <Ademan> going to reccomend the alternate install cd either way)
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> I'd go XFCE on that - it will run Gnome, but not ideally.
[08:03] <Ademan> hrm, apparently it's a 1.8ghz proccessor though, i'm half tempted to have him install ubuntu, and then just install xfce if it's too sluggish
[08:04] <tonyyarusso> That works too
[08:04] <Ademan> i really want him to get psyched about linux, and i never felt xfce was nearly as user friendly as GNOME
[08:05] <Ademan> well, certain annoyances, like not being able to easily create launchers from launchers in the main menu
[08:05] <Ademan> either way, i guess that's a sane route
[08:05] <tonyyarusso> ya
[09:40] <_4strO> yop yop
[11:23] <[phaedrus] > whats the command to prepend to command lines, when you dont want the process to quit after a ssh session?
[11:23] <crdlb> screen ?
[11:25] <[phaedrus] > the nohup thing
[11:25] <[phaedrus] > how do you add it?
[11:26] <[phaedrus] > alright... figured it out...
[11:26] <[phaedrus] > just had to add nohup before the command
[11:27] <[phaedrus] > memory blurrss
[02:39] <farion> hello, how can i compile the source package of linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22?
[02:46] <farion> i get the source-code with "apt-get source linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22" - then i extract it, but in there are only three directories (debian, ubuntu, ubuntu-firmware) - how can I add/patch them to my kernel-source
[04:00] <terlmann> ok..
[04:00] <terlmann> I need some help
[04:00] <terlmann> I want to do something weird
[04:00] <terlmann> I want to :
[04:01] <terlmann> make a ntfs partition Inside of a ext3 ojne
[04:01] <terlmann> one*
[04:01] <terlmann> and boot into it from grub
[04:01] <terlmann> is there a way to do this ?
[04:03] <Pumpernickel> "Inside" an ext3 one?
[04:03] <Pumpernickel> Could you be a bit more descriptive?
[04:04] <gnomefreak> terlmann: not likely to be inside an ext3 but make a new partition that is ntfs
[04:04] <terlmann> can't
[04:04] <terlmann> inside
[04:04] <terlmann> yes
[04:04] <terlmann> make a large file , mark it read only to the ext3 system(ubuntu) , and give grub some commands
[04:05] <gnomefreak> no partitions are just that you cant have one inside another
[04:05] <Pumpernickel> You can do that, somewhat, with Qemu, but I'm pretty sure you can't boot to it from Grub.
[04:05] <Pumpernickel> Qemu handles that itself.
[04:05] <terlmann> well grub cannot directly adress the host hardware
[04:05] <gnomefreak> although there are limits on what ext3 can have in way of size
[04:07] <terlmann> There is A way , somehow, somewhere
[04:08] <gnomefreak> terlmann: also remember this channel is only for gutsy topics please see #ubuntu for your needs
[04:08] <terlmann> can't grub read a partition's data
[04:08] <gnomefreak> grub reads kernel
[04:08] <terlmann> yea, well, I am, , ya know , gutsy alright
[04:08] <gnomefreak> and boot parameters
[04:10] <terlmann> well, what if a bootloader could read the partition ?
[04:11] <gnomefreak> terlmann: it reads the partition but if there isnt a boot parameter set it cant boot it and will give you a not found error
[04:13] <terlmann> well, can we give it some god-like parameters ?
[04:14] <gnomefreak> terlmann: your going way outside the relem of support at this point. and if you are using gutsy dont attempt it
[04:14] <terlmann> yep, I am going off the charts
[04:15] <gnomefreak> terlmann: your better off asking in #ubuntu-offtopic see if someone knows there but it way outside support issue at this point
[04:16] <terlmann> does gutsy even have a herd one out yet ?
[04:16] <gnomefreak> terlmann: no
[04:16] <gnomefreak> and it wont be herd
[04:17] <terlmann> ehehe
[04:17] <terlmann> so who is complaining ? (there isn't anything for this channel to support , yet ;-) )
[05:28] <farion> is there a 2.6.22 smp-kernel in gutsy?
[05:30] <Toma-> -gei=mp
[05:30] <Toma-> err
[05:30] <Toma-> -generic = smp
[05:31] <farion> ah okay, and the 386 is the one without?
[05:32] <Toma-> yep
[05:32] <farion> okay, next question
[05:33] <farion> i do "apt-get source -b linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22"
[05:33] <farion> are the compiled modules for the ubuntu kernel or for (my own) running kernel?
[07:11] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: because everyone elses is also on gutsy
[07:11] <PriceChild> Pardon?
[07:11] <PriceChild> I saw this on Feisty once and I think a reboot fixed whatever it is...
[07:14] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: they are comming. with gutsy reboot wont help (maybe a little) depening on what packages you have wait for fonts to get updated
[07:14] <PriceChild> Hehe
[07:14] <PriceChild> I'm impatient :)
[07:16] <PriceChild> erm....
[07:16] <PriceChild> right click adjust date and time... tells me my platform isn't supported
[07:16] <PriceChild> hehe I'm loving gutsy already :D
[07:16] <PriceChild> feisty's been boring for a couple of months, this is much better :)
[07:18] <gnomefreak> because gutsy isnt in the list (most likely hasnt been merged yet)
[07:27] <PriceChild> hehe yeah
[07:35] <Amaranth> PriceChild: hey, now you can test my compiz packages :)
[07:36] <PriceChild> I can yes
[07:36] <Amaranth> PriceChild: http://dev.realistanew.com/compiz/packages
[07:36] <PriceChild> Is this gonna mess up my upgrades.... /me looks at versioning
[07:37] <Hobbsee> ooh, new X stuff being uploaded
[07:37] <PriceChild> hehe yeah i got -core earlier
[07:37] <PriceChild> already been stomping my feet impatiently wanting the resto f it
[07:39] <PriceChild> I just got a big red error from gdebi about broken cache etc. etc. and got scared Amaranth!
[07:40] <Amaranth> PriceChild: compiz-core has a Breaks on compiz-extra
[07:40] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: yeah, xserver 1.3, here we come
[07:40] <PriceChild> yeah its all fine
[07:40] <PriceChild> fixing it now
[07:40] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: yeah it means breakage!!!
[07:41] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: woo!
[07:42] <PriceChild> Amaranth, something's not right... :P
[07:42] <PriceChild> window decorators not working...
[07:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's probably waiting
[07:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: what about it?
[07:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: that it's so big?
[07:43] <Amaranth> upgrade all of them, start metacity, kill emerald and gtk-window-decorator, start compiz
[07:43] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: it hasnt gone through
[07:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: archive admins may not be here
[07:43] <gnomefreak> ah good point
[07:44] <PriceChild> Amaranth, i'm just getting seg faults
[07:44] <Amaranth> PriceChild: maybe you should build it on your own :)
[07:44] <Amaranth> check the src dir
[07:44] <PriceChild> Amaranth, you're the one that told me to test your packages! :P
[07:45] <Amaranth> heh
[07:45] <Amaranth> i mean build from the source package
[07:48] <Amaranth> PriceChild: pdebuild ftw
[07:48] <PriceChild> pdeuild?
[07:49] <PriceChild> I should know these thigns...
[07:50] <PriceChild> right doing it atm...
[07:50] <Amaranth> PriceChild: btw, you must already have the pango update
[07:50] <Amaranth> that fixes the synaptic crashes, iirc
[07:50] <PriceChild> yeah :)
[07:53] <PriceChild> Why is this pbuilder taking ages to create?
[07:55] <gnomefreak> chroot!!!!!!
[07:55] <gnomefreak> ;)
[07:56] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: why are you recreating?  dont you have one from feisty?
[07:56] <PriceChild> Nope
[07:56] <PriceChild> not that i know of anyway
[07:57] <PriceChild> I've switched mirror and its zooming along now :)
[07:57] <PriceChild> main mirrors must be getting hit... :s
[08:15] <PriceChild> Amaranth, i forgot to install your libs.... :P
[08:16] <Amaranth> hahaha
[08:16] <Amaranth> yeah, that'll do it
[08:16] <PriceChild> just noticed after finishing the pbuild
[08:16] <Amaranth> should probably make the compiz-gnome and compiz-kde packages have versioned dependencies
[08:16] <PriceChild> yeah that's working nicely now :)
[08:16] <PriceChild> even if I _HATE_ the defaults :P
[08:17] <PriceChild> I haven't used wall yet... I need to build something that has that
[08:18] <PriceChild> why doesn't desktop-effects do its own menu entry...
[11:29] <nzk> Why is Feisty so UNGODLY slow for me...
[11:29] <nzk> I am running Xchat, Rhythmbox, Pidgin, and Firefox. My load average is FOUR.
[11:31] <crimsun> I recommend you install systemtap and investigate further.
[11:31] <crimsun> it may be as simple as (re)activating DMA.
[11:31] <crimsun> or you may need to feed the hamsters inside your machine.  They do tire after a few thousands run o' the wheel, you know.
[11:35] <Hobbsee> nzk: the topic.
[11:35] <Hobbsee> nzk: and clearly, the answer is "because it hates you"
[11:38] <nzk> I'm using Feisty
[11:38] <nzk> Not Gutsy
[11:39] <Hobbsee> yes.  hence, it's offtopic
[11:40] <nzk> Well, I can't really go into Ubuntu so I don't have much of a choice