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| lasking | upgrade to 7.10 safe? | 01:49 |
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| crimsun | if you're asking, then probably not. | 01:51 |
| lasking | thank you | 01:51 |
| crimsun | running the development branch is perilous at times. You get what you pay for. | 01:51 |
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| Amaranth | looking for someone to test my compiz-0.5.0+git20070514 packages | 02:20 |
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| Amaranth | no brave folks around, eh? | 02:32 |
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| Amaranth | oh well, you'll all get it in a couple days hopefully :) | 02:32 |
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| _emet_ | !gutsy | 05:12 |
| ubotu | Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule Support in #ubuntu+1 | 05:12 |
| ToHellWithGA | _emet_: holla | 05:12 |
| _emet_ | hi | 05:12 |
| ToHellWithGA | are you trying it out yet? | 05:12 |
| _emet_ | anyone know gutsy launchpad | 05:12 |
| _emet_ | not yet | 05:12 |
| ToHellWithGA | the xfce side of things is pretty broken, but the gnome stuff is mostly ok | 05:12 |
| ToHellWithGA | and the new CLI stuff is champ | 05:13 |
| _emet_ | I'm prob going to install it when the first alpha comes out | 05:14 |
| ToHellWithGA | dist-upgrade | 05:16 |
| ToHellWithGA | :) | 05:16 |
| ToHellWithGA | more things break if you don't start fresh | 05:16 |
| ToHellWithGA | then you can find/report more bugs | 05:16 |
| _emet_ | true | 05:18 |
| _emet_ | I might do it with this install | 05:18 |
| _emet_ | seems gutsy is going to have an install-time option to only install open source things | 05:19 |
| ToHellWithGA | oh yeah, that's gonna rock | 05:19 |
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| BHSPitMonkey | does that obsolete gnewsense? | 05:21 |
| ToHellWithGA | that'd be cool | 05:21 |
| ToHellWithGA | more unity is good, right? | 05:21 |
| BHSPitMonkey | yeah | 05:22 |
| Toma- | I hope theres no political banter in the installer :( | 05:22 |
| ToHellWithGA | i know it's not a big step of windows setup, but i really like not having to read/agree to a license to install ubuntu | 05:23 |
| ToHellWithGA | i feel really free when i'm not bothered with paperwork like that | 05:23 |
| ToHellWithGA | little things like that, they only take a moment not to do... but they feel so great | 05:24 |
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| DanaG | Is there anything significantly new in Gutsy, so far? | 06:19 |
| ToHellWithGA | yeah | 06:22 |
| ToHellWithGA | the build toolchain | 06:22 |
| ToHellWithGA | also i think rtorrent is new | 06:22 |
| ToHellWithGA | although it could be updated in feisty as well | 06:22 |
| DanaG | I can back up my Feisty system on a whim, and dist-upgrade; however, now may be too early. | 06:22 |
| ToHellWithGA | some new buils of gnome and xfce stuff | 06:22 |
| ToHellWithGA | you can dist-upgrade and dist-downgrade | 06:23 |
| crimsun | the shiniest stuff right now is under the hood, namely Linux. | 06:23 |
| ToHellWithGA | i mean if you switch your sources back, you should be able to go back | 06:23 |
| crimsun | or Pidgin if that floats your boat. | 06:23 |
| DanaG | I added Pidgin to Feisty already. | 06:23 |
| DanaG | I did a dpkg --force-depends-version | 06:23 |
| ToHellWithGA | there's still "gaim-text" instead of "pidgin-text" | 06:24 |
| ToHellWithGA | was that project abandoned or was the link just forgotten? | 06:24 |
| DanaG | then since it kept wanting to remove the package, I removed the info about Pidgin from /var/lib/dpkg/status | 06:24 |
| BHSPitMonkey | I think pidgin's text client is to have a new name | 06:25 |
| ToHellWithGA | i hope it is called dove | 06:25 |
| ToHellWithGA | for being the same as a pigeon but with a nicer public image | 06:25 |
| BHSPitMonkey | whatever it is, it's been announced | 06:25 |
| DanaG | Finch. | 06:25 |
| BHSPitMonkey | the public isn't who uses text IM clients | 06:25 |
| BHSPitMonkey | Finch. | 06:25 |
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| DanaG | Oh, and preferences are stored in .purple. | 06:25 |
| DanaG | Good luck trying to find that one, looking for .pidgin | 06:26 |
| DanaG | "Pidgin", I get -- it's a play on "pidgin" and "pigeon", | 06:26 |
| tonyyarusso | How is pidgin a play on pidgin? That makes no sense... | 06:26 |
| DanaG | but I disagree with "finch" and "purple" -- where's the coherence? But the Gaim, er, Pidgin devs don't seem to want to change anything now. | 06:27 |
| DanaG | look on Wikipedia. | 06:27 |
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| DanaG | At least with Beryl, you have that and Emerald and Heliodor and Aquamarine. Those are all various gems. | 06:27 |
| ToHellWithGA | buhbye. goodnight. | 06:28 |
| DanaG | I still sometimes think Gusty as Gutsy. Er, the other way around. Aack, I just did it then, too. | 06:30 |
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| Ademan | sorry, totally off topic, but #ubuntu is sort of ignoring me, my friend's got a laptop with 128mb system ram, and I'm debating between reccomending ubuntu or xubuntu. I found that xfce is a little lacking in the user friendlyness and i sorta would rather have him have a good first experience with ubuntu, but on the other hand, i dunno if 128mb is enough to run GNOME at any sort of reasonable speed, what do you guys think? (i'm | 08:00 |
| Ademan | going to reccomend the alternate install cd either way) | 08:00 |
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| tonyyarusso | I'd go XFCE on that - it will run Gnome, but not ideally. | 08:01 |
| Ademan | hrm, apparently it's a 1.8ghz proccessor though, i'm half tempted to have him install ubuntu, and then just install xfce if it's too sluggish | 08:03 |
| tonyyarusso | That works too | 08:04 |
| Ademan | i really want him to get psyched about linux, and i never felt xfce was nearly as user friendly as GNOME | 08:04 |
| Ademan | well, certain annoyances, like not being able to easily create launchers from launchers in the main menu | 08:05 |
| Ademan | either way, i guess that's a sane route | 08:05 |
| tonyyarusso | ya | 08:05 |
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| _4strO | yop yop | 09:40 |
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| [phaedrus] | whats the command to prepend to command lines, when you dont want the process to quit after a ssh session? | 11:23 |
| crdlb | screen ? | 11:23 |
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| [phaedrus] | the nohup thing | 11:25 |
| [phaedrus] | how do you add it? | 11:25 |
| [phaedrus] | alright... figured it out... | 11:26 |
| [phaedrus] | just had to add nohup before the command | 11:26 |
| [phaedrus] | memory blurrss | 11:27 |
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| farion | hello, how can i compile the source package of linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22? | 02:39 |
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| farion | i get the source-code with "apt-get source linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22" - then i extract it, but in there are only three directories (debian, ubuntu, ubuntu-firmware) - how can I add/patch them to my kernel-source | 02:46 |
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| terlmann | ok.. | 04:00 |
| terlmann | I need some help | 04:00 |
| terlmann | I want to do something weird | 04:00 |
| terlmann | I want to : | 04:00 |
| terlmann | make a ntfs partition Inside of a ext3 ojne | 04:01 |
| terlmann | one* | 04:01 |
| terlmann | and boot into it from grub | 04:01 |
| terlmann | is there a way to do this ? | 04:01 |
| Pumpernickel | "Inside" an ext3 one? | 04:03 |
| Pumpernickel | Could you be a bit more descriptive? | 04:03 |
| gnomefreak | terlmann: not likely to be inside an ext3 but make a new partition that is ntfs | 04:04 |
| terlmann | can't | 04:04 |
| terlmann | inside | 04:04 |
| terlmann | yes | 04:04 |
| terlmann | make a large file , mark it read only to the ext3 system(ubuntu) , and give grub some commands | 04:04 |
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| gnomefreak | no partitions are just that you cant have one inside another | 04:05 |
| Pumpernickel | You can do that, somewhat, with Qemu, but I'm pretty sure you can't boot to it from Grub. | 04:05 |
| Pumpernickel | Qemu handles that itself. | 04:05 |
| terlmann | well grub cannot directly adress the host hardware | 04:05 |
| gnomefreak | although there are limits on what ext3 can have in way of size | 04:05 |
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| terlmann | There is A way , somehow, somewhere | 04:07 |
| gnomefreak | terlmann: also remember this channel is only for gutsy topics please see #ubuntu for your needs | 04:08 |
| terlmann | can't grub read a partition's data | 04:08 |
| gnomefreak | grub reads kernel | 04:08 |
| terlmann | yea, well, I am, , ya know , gutsy alright | 04:08 |
| gnomefreak | and boot parameters | 04:08 |
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| terlmann | well, what if a bootloader could read the partition ? | 04:10 |
| gnomefreak | terlmann: it reads the partition but if there isnt a boot parameter set it cant boot it and will give you a not found error | 04:11 |
| terlmann | well, can we give it some god-like parameters ? | 04:13 |
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| gnomefreak | terlmann: your going way outside the relem of support at this point. and if you are using gutsy dont attempt it | 04:14 |
| terlmann | yep, I am going off the charts | 04:14 |
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| gnomefreak | terlmann: your better off asking in #ubuntu-offtopic see if someone knows there but it way outside support issue at this point | 04:15 |
| terlmann | does gutsy even have a herd one out yet ? | 04:16 |
| gnomefreak | terlmann: no | 04:16 |
| gnomefreak | and it wont be herd | 04:16 |
| terlmann | ehehe | 04:17 |
| terlmann | so who is complaining ? (there isn't anything for this channel to support , yet ;-) ) | 04:17 |
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| farion | is there a 2.6.22 smp-kernel in gutsy? | 05:28 |
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| Toma- | -gei=mp | 05:30 |
| Toma- | err | 05:30 |
| Toma- | -generic = smp | 05:30 |
| farion | ah okay, and the 386 is the one without? | 05:31 |
| Toma- | yep | 05:32 |
| farion | okay, next question | 05:32 |
| farion | i do "apt-get source -b linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22" | 05:33 |
| farion | are the compiled modules for the ubuntu kernel or for (my own) running kernel? | 05:33 |
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| gnomefreak | PriceChild: because everyone elses is also on gutsy | 07:11 |
| PriceChild | Pardon? | 07:11 |
| PriceChild | I saw this on Feisty once and I think a reboot fixed whatever it is... | 07:11 |
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| gnomefreak | PriceChild: they are comming. with gutsy reboot wont help (maybe a little) depening on what packages you have wait for fonts to get updated | 07:14 |
| PriceChild | Hehe | 07:14 |
| PriceChild | I'm impatient :) | 07:14 |
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| PriceChild | erm.... | 07:16 |
| PriceChild | right click adjust date and time... tells me my platform isn't supported | 07:16 |
| PriceChild | hehe I'm loving gutsy already :D | 07:16 |
| PriceChild | feisty's been boring for a couple of months, this is much better :) | 07:16 |
| gnomefreak | because gutsy isnt in the list (most likely hasnt been merged yet) | 07:18 |
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| PriceChild | hehe yeah | 07:27 |
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| Amaranth | PriceChild: hey, now you can test my compiz packages :) | 07:35 |
| PriceChild | I can yes | 07:36 |
| Amaranth | PriceChild: http://dev.realistanew.com/compiz/packages | 07:36 |
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| PriceChild | Is this gonna mess up my upgrades.... /me looks at versioning | 07:36 |
| Hobbsee | ooh, new X stuff being uploaded | 07:37 |
| PriceChild | hehe yeah i got -core earlier | 07:37 |
| PriceChild | already been stomping my feet impatiently wanting the resto f it | 07:37 |
| PriceChild | I just got a big red error from gdebi about broken cache etc. etc. and got scared Amaranth! | 07:39 |
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| Amaranth | PriceChild: compiz-core has a Breaks on compiz-extra | 07:40 |
| Amaranth | Hobbsee: yeah, xserver 1.3, here we come | 07:40 |
| PriceChild | yeah its all fine | 07:40 |
| PriceChild | fixing it now | 07:40 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: yeah it means breakage!!! | 07:40 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: woo! | 07:41 |
| === gnomefreak cant wait | ||
| === gnomefreak wonders what happened to binary NEW :( | ||
| PriceChild | Amaranth, something's not right... :P | 07:42 |
| PriceChild | window decorators not working... | 07:42 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: it's probably waiting | 07:43 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: what about it? | 07:43 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: that it's so big? | 07:43 |
| Amaranth | upgrade all of them, start metacity, kill emerald and gtk-window-decorator, start compiz | 07:43 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: it hasnt gone through | 07:43 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: archive admins may not be here | 07:43 |
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| gnomefreak | ah good point | 07:43 |
| PriceChild | Amaranth, i'm just getting seg faults | 07:44 |
| Amaranth | PriceChild: maybe you should build it on your own :) | 07:44 |
| Amaranth | check the src dir | 07:44 |
| PriceChild | Amaranth, you're the one that told me to test your packages! :P | 07:44 |
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| Amaranth | heh | 07:45 |
| Amaranth | i mean build from the source package | 07:45 |
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| Amaranth | PriceChild: pdebuild ftw | 07:48 |
| PriceChild | pdeuild? | 07:48 |
| PriceChild | I should know these thigns... | 07:49 |
| PriceChild | right doing it atm... | 07:50 |
| Amaranth | PriceChild: btw, you must already have the pango update | 07:50 |
| Amaranth | that fixes the synaptic crashes, iirc | 07:50 |
| PriceChild | yeah :) | 07:50 |
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| PriceChild | Why is this pbuilder taking ages to create? | 07:53 |
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| gnomefreak | chroot!!!!!! | 07:55 |
| gnomefreak | ;) | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | PriceChild: why are you recreating? dont you have one from feisty? | 07:56 |
| PriceChild | Nope | 07:56 |
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| PriceChild | not that i know of anyway | 07:56 |
| PriceChild | I've switched mirror and its zooming along now :) | 07:57 |
| PriceChild | main mirrors must be getting hit... :s | 07:57 |
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| PriceChild | Amaranth, i forgot to install your libs.... :P | 08:15 |
| Amaranth | hahaha | 08:16 |
| Amaranth | yeah, that'll do it | 08:16 |
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| PriceChild | just noticed after finishing the pbuild | 08:16 |
| Amaranth | should probably make the compiz-gnome and compiz-kde packages have versioned dependencies | 08:16 |
| PriceChild | yeah that's working nicely now :) | 08:16 |
| PriceChild | even if I _HATE_ the defaults :P | 08:16 |
| PriceChild | I haven't used wall yet... I need to build something that has that | 08:17 |
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| PriceChild | why doesn't desktop-effects do its own menu entry... | 08:18 |
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| nzk | Why is Feisty so UNGODLY slow for me... | 11:29 |
| nzk | I am running Xchat, Rhythmbox, Pidgin, and Firefox. My load average is FOUR. | 11:29 |
| crimsun | I recommend you install systemtap and investigate further. | 11:31 |
| crimsun | it may be as simple as (re)activating DMA. | 11:31 |
| crimsun | or you may need to feed the hamsters inside your machine. They do tire after a few thousands run o' the wheel, you know. | 11:31 |
| Hobbsee | nzk: the topic. | 11:35 |
| Hobbsee | nzk: and clearly, the answer is "because it hates you" | 11:35 |
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| nzk | I'm using Feisty | 11:38 |
| nzk | Not Gutsy | 11:38 |
| Hobbsee | yes. hence, it's offtopic | 11:39 |
| nzk | Well, I can't really go into Ubuntu so I don't have much of a choice | 11:40 |
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