jovans | reiser4, which has the best performance in some tests | 12:13 |
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mjg59 | ... | 12:13 |
mjg59 | The biggest gap there is 1.5MB | 12:13 |
mjg59 | Or less than 3% | 12:13 |
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mjg59 | Note that most of those graphs don't start at 0 | 12:14 |
bhale | faster is nice if you dont care about integrity of your files | 12:14 |
jovans | yes but for first impressions | 12:14 |
jovans | i am using feisty with reiserfs i think it's v3 | 12:15 |
mjg59 | jovans: The current recommendations for Linux filesystems are to use xfs if you need very large filesystems, and otherwise to use ext3 | 12:15 |
jovans | ok | 12:16 |
jovans | and jfs not recommanded? | 12:16 |
mjg59 | I've discussed this with filesystem developers, and they agree that ext4 is not appropriate for use yet unless you're developing it | 12:16 |
mjg59 | jfs has some management tools that you may find useful, but otherwise I don't think there's an especially good reason to choose it | 12:17 |
jovans | ok | 12:17 |
jovans | than you | 12:17 |
jovans | for ur comments | 12:17 |
jovans | ;) | 12:17 |
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poningru | I had a question | 02:04 |
poningru | when the ubuntu installed dells go out | 02:05 |
poningru | are canonical's servers ready to handle the load/bandwidth? | 02:05 |
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psusi | BenC: ping | 02:41 |
BenC | psusi: yo | 02:41 |
psusi | BenC: hey... I was looking at our devmapper package today and it seems that we diverged from debian some time ago... I think you were the last one to modify it, so I was wondering if you could shed some light on the reasons for diverging | 02:42 |
psusi | I'm wondering if we can't sync with the new debian version | 02:42 |
psusi | and what the process for that is | 02:44 |
BenC | err, I can't remember | 02:44 |
BenC | psusi: merges.ubuntu.com is a good place to start | 02:45 |
psusi | oh yea, another question I had was, why does the version of the package start with 2:? | 02:46 |
Amaranth | someone messed up with versioning previously | 02:46 |
psusi | don't think I've seen a version with a : in it before | 02:46 |
Amaranth | or did a downgrade | 02:46 |
psusi | ohh | 02:46 |
Amaranth | lots of packages have that | 02:47 |
Amaranth | can't remember the name of it now :P | 02:47 |
psusi | so like... it was 1.2.3 and so to downgrade back to 1.2.1 you had to prefix it with a 2: to make it higher? | 02:48 |
BenC | psusi: X: is an epoch version, the X: part doesn't show, but it gives it newer version than anything with > X, and no X | 02:50 |
Amaranth | 1:1.2.1 is newer than 1.2.2 | 02:51 |
Amaranth | well, sorts higher | 02:51 |
psusi | hrm... why would mom not be able to generate a diff3 merge of a file? showing it as C*? | 02:52 |
psusi | hrm... so our package lets udev create the devnode, but in debian they don't? | 03:00 |
BenC | psusi: dm/lvm/mdadm/udev is scary stuff, run while you still can | 03:11 |
ajmitch | scary stuff labelled with 'here be dragons' | 03:12 |
psusi | lol | 03:14 |
psusi | too late... I'm already involved with it because of dmraid | 03:14 |
psusi | which is the most scary branch of that family | 03:14 |
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psusi | would also be nice if the mirror dm target were documented somewhere | 03:15 |
psusi | I was trying to figure it out from the kernel sources today because it looks like dmraid passes it a sync or nosync option, but afaics the kernel supports no such options | 03:16 |
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psusi | I'm used to using tortoiseSVN on windows to do three way merges... how can you do a three way merge in linux? | 03:17 |
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tepsipakki | good morning | 07:23 |
tepsipakki | who is wearing the archive admin hat today? | 07:23 |
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pitti | Good morning | 08:32 |
Fujitsu | Hi pitti. | 08:33 |
\sh | moins... | 08:33 |
Mithrandir | hiya pitti | 08:33 |
\sh | pitti, can you read https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/91636 and comment on it...now it's going into a "move between two packages" report, and I don't want to argue with the people...can you, as our security "officer", comment on the topic "why whine shouldn't deliver a .desktop" | 08:34 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 91636 in wine "Mimetype error: *.exe => the filename indicates "executable", while the contents indicated "DOS/Windows executable"" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 08:34 |
\sh | s/whine/wine/ | 08:34 |
Treenaks | \sh: well, some .exes are mono executables, right? | 08:35 |
pitti | \sh: "whine" was right :-P yes, will do | 08:35 |
\sh | pitti, thx :) | 08:35 |
\sh | Treenaks, tbh, I don't have any clue how mono apps are started...but reading /usr/bin/tomboy I can see, that those exes are started via "exec mono tomboy.exe" e.g. | 08:36 |
pitti | \sh: hmm, this doesn't look at all related to our discussion yesterday? | 08:37 |
pitti | \sh: mono has a binfmt-misc entry as well | 08:37 |
\sh | pitti, the thing is, indeed, that +x .exe files can be started via cli, but not via nautilus...kees removed the .desktop file from whine in favour of binfmt... | 08:38 |
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\sh | and I think because of security...so re-adding the .desktop gives us the possibility to start .exe files via nautilus, but gives you the same pain as before | 08:39 |
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Fujitsu | Why won't Nautilus execute them now? | 08:39 |
pitti | \sh: hm, it looks as if it only gives a confirmation question? the bug doesn't speak about not being able to run them? | 08:39 |
pitti | (or does it?) | 08:39 |
Treenaks | because nautilus is horribly broken atm (at least, for me :) | 08:39 |
\sh | pitti, your "virus bug" is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/85338 | 08:39 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 85338 in wine "Security - single click trojan risk" [High,Fix released] | 08:39 |
\sh | pitti, I can't run them...(feisty) | 08:39 |
\sh | Cannot open /home/shermann/windows/wrar362d.exe: No application suitable for automatic installation is available for handling this kind of file. | 08:40 |
Treenaks | Fujitsu: when I try to open a remote share, it dies, when I try to kill, it'll SIG11 all over itself until I kill -9 it... and restarting doesn't fix it | 08:40 |
pitti | \sh: hm, so this is another bug in nautilus then, or the associated MIME types | 08:40 |
ajmitch | hey pitti | 08:40 |
pitti | hi ajmitch | 08:41 |
slomo | should be a bug in shared-mime-info then | 08:41 |
pitti | \sh: ah, that's not the message that is described in the bug | 08:41 |
\sh | pitti, I think it's still dapper/edgy they are talking about | 08:41 |
pitti | ah, I see | 08:42 |
\sh | but regarding the talks from yesterday on #winehq, we have to protect the users from wine, just because it's in pre-alpha state (remembering the words of an upstream dev) ;) | 08:43 |
Fujitsu | Is it ever likely to be in a non-prealpha state? | 08:43 |
\sh | Fujitsu, they said, wine is nothing for "john user" | 08:44 |
Fujitsu | Which is why we should follow the advice of ubuntuforums' users and install it by default, don't you think? | 08:44 |
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\sh | Fujitsu, tbh, I don't read the webforums, just because I love my life as it is, and I don't want to bang my head on my desk, everytime I read "install wine by default" or "use automatix and your pain is going away" | 08:45 |
Lathiat | we should preinstall windows programs | 08:45 |
Lathiat | Ubuntu 7.04 bundled with Microsoft Office 2007 | 08:45 |
Lathiat | [ Buy now ] | 08:45 |
Fujitsu | Lathiat: Right. | 08:45 |
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\sh | but anyways...I'm right now totally confused what to do...I would prefer the "learning through pain" method... | 08:46 |
Fujitsu | \sh: The automatix crap has fortunately almost vanished. | 08:46 |
dholbach | good morning | 08:46 |
\sh | moins dharrigan | 08:46 |
\sh | aeh dholbach | 08:46 |
dholbach | hey \sh | 08:46 |
\sh | dholbach, do I see you at linuxtag? :) | 08:47 |
Mithrandir | Fujitsu: and it'll become even less useful with the new update-manager fixes. :-) | 08:48 |
dholbach | \sh: yep :) | 08:48 |
Fujitsu | Mithrandir: What's happening now? | 08:48 |
Mithrandir | Fujitsu: the plan is to tell the user "you have used software which we know are going to cause severe problems when upgrading, sorry, we can't upgrade this system, please reinstall". | 08:49 |
Fujitsu | Oh, good. | 08:49 |
\sh | dholbach, cool :) btw..congrats to your vote :) | 08:49 |
dholbach | thanks \sh :) | 08:49 |
Fujitsu | Wow, impressive Yes:No ratio that you have there, dholbach. | 08:51 |
dholbach | I was very happy with it too | 08:51 |
Mithrandir | hiya elkbuntu | 08:52 |
elkbuntu | hiya | 08:53 |
elkbuntu | hadnt realised i was logged in under the alt nick :-/ | 08:53 |
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dholbach | doko: ajmitch is also having trouble doing the pygojbect and pygtk merges - do you know of any changes that might have broken py-dbg? | 09:14 |
dholbach | http://pastebin.ca/490767 | 09:14 |
ajmitch | the files appear to be there & in the right place, but I'm getting things like ^^ | 09:14 |
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doko | dholbach, ajmitch: which package does have pyexpat? is the pyexpat-dbg package installed? | 09:17 |
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ajmitch | python2.5-dbg | 09:18 |
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bryyce | seb128: btw, found a quirky but irritating bug when switching workspaces - kde apps start flashing on the window list (bug 114923) | 09:28 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 114923 in gnome-panel "window list highlights kde apps when switching workspaces" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114923 | 09:28 |
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seb128 | bryyce: that's a duplicate ;) | 09:29 |
seb128 | bug #78511 | 09:30 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 78511 in libwnck "Gnome-panel flashing for kde apps on workspace change" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78511 | 09:30 |
bryyce | ahh, I hadn't spotted that one | 09:30 |
seb128 | not easy to know | 09:30 |
bryyce | yup, that's definitely it. cool | 09:30 |
seb128 | the workspaces, tasks list, etc are often libwnck | 09:30 |
seb128 | I've marked it duplicate | 09:30 |
bryyce | yeah, wasn't really even sure what to search on | 09:30 |
doko | ajmitch: python2.5-dbg doesn't install in site-packages | 09:30 |
ajmitch | hm right | 09:33 |
ajmitch | so I have /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/pyexpat.so and /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/_xmlplus/parsers/pyexpat.so | 09:33 |
ajmitch | first is owned by python2.5, the other by python-xml | 09:33 |
doko | so you should have a b-d on python-xml-dbg as well | 09:34 |
doko | ? | 09:34 |
doko | or build-conflict with python-xml? | 09:34 |
ajmitch | this was built in pbuilder, so probably the former | 09:35 |
ajmitch | though after installing p-x-dbg, I now get further interesting errors | 09:35 |
ajmitch | like ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt_pkg.so: undefined symbol: Py_InitModule4_64 | 09:35 |
ajmitch | why it'd even look at apt_pkg is beyond me | 09:35 |
doko | is python-apt-dbg installed? | 09:36 |
ajmitch | I just installed it, and I'm down to the single error | 09:37 |
ajmitch | ImportError: /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gobject/_gobject_d.so: undefined symbol: Py_InitModule4_64 | 09:37 |
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bryyce | Mithrandir, would you mind bumping a post of mine in the moderation queue? I posted a note about the xserver 1.3 upload but hadn't become a member of the list yet, so it's hung up. | 09:39 |
Mithrandir | bryyce: the list = ubuntu-devel or some other list? | 09:40 |
bryyce | yes right | 09:40 |
Burgundavia | bryyce: -devel or -devel-discuss? | 09:42 |
bryyce | ubuntu-devel | 09:42 |
Burgundavia | I can clear the latter but the former is somebody else | 09:42 |
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Treenaks | bryyce: I'd like to see a (test) version of the xserver-xorg-video-ati with http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati.git;a=commit;h=3828237200fc16d4d32664fb8358950c213d4897 applied -- I think it might fix bug 20283 (finally..) | 09:44 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 20283 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[X700] Really bad sync on HP NW8240" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20283 | 09:44 |
Mithrandir | hm, the password isn't what I've saved in my browser. | 09:44 |
StevenK | doko: Do you mind if I borrow/steal some of your merges, like ntp or libidl? | 09:44 |
Mithrandir | bryyce: sorry, I thought my password for the ubuntu-devel moderation queue was correct, but apparently it's not. | 09:46 |
bryyce | Treenaks: unfortunately fglrx is horribly broken with xserver 1.3 presently | 09:47 |
Treenaks | bryyce: that's why it's a patch for radeon/ati | 09:47 |
bryyce | Treenaks: oh ok, I'll take a look at it | 09:47 |
bryyce | is there a LP bug for this? | 09:48 |
Treenaks | bryyce: yes, 20283 (as stated above) | 09:48 |
bryyce | Mithrandir: ok no prob, guess I'll wait for mdz | 09:48 |
bryyce | Treenaks, oh right, you did. Okay my brain is mush, I'm going to bed. | 09:49 |
Treenaks | bryyce: ok :) | 09:49 |
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Tonio_ | hi :) | 09:54 |
mneptok | Tonio_: 'lu! | 09:55 |
doko | StevenK: please go ahead! | 09:56 |
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ajmitch | ok, no change on rebuild | 09:56 |
ajmitch | hey mneptok | 09:56 |
mneptok | hey hey | 09:57 |
mneptok | waznoo ajmitch? | 09:57 |
StevenK | doko: Thanks! | 09:57 |
dholbach | gpocentek: will we get the new goffice/gnumeric? :-) | 10:02 |
ajmitch | mneptok: fighting packages :) | 10:05 |
mneptok | ajmitch: i said "new" ;) | 10:07 |
StevenK | Mithrandir: Got a sec so I bounce an idea off of you? | 10:07 |
Mithrandir | StevenK: shoot | 10:08 |
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StevenK | Mithrandir: xbitmaps is listed as a manual merge - I've done it, considering the only benefit I can see makes the patch on patches.u.c fall to nearly nothing, do you think it's worth it? | 10:11 |
Mithrandir | EPARSE; I'm not sure what you're asking. | 10:13 |
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StevenK | Mithrandir: Sorry, I ought to be clearer. | 10:13 |
StevenK | Mithrandir: Okay, so xbitmaps is listed as a manual merge. I've done it, but the only benefit I can see is it makes the patch on patches.u.c to be very small. Do you think it's worthwhile to upload it? | 10:15 |
tepsipakki | xbitmaps is one of 23 xorg packages of which we have a different tarball | 10:15 |
Mithrandir | ah | 10:16 |
StevenK | Yes. The tarball is different, but contains the same files. | 10:16 |
Mithrandir | I don't see why it wouldn't be, if you've already spent the effort. | 10:16 |
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jdub | seb128: dude, i am so happy to hear that a whole trilogy of hollywood films will be made about your life! | 10:39 |
dholbach | jdub: link? :) | 10:40 |
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seb128 | jdub: what? | 10:41 |
jdub | http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/ah-ah-ah/2007/05/15/1178995158803.html | 10:41 |
seb128 | ah ah ah ;) | 10:41 |
dholbach | hahaha :-) | 10:41 |
Chipzz | jdub: is there a way to see older entries that scrolled of planet (gnome)? | 10:42 |
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jdub | Chipzz: no, but you can search for them with the custom google search thingy | 10:42 |
jdub | seb128: :-) | 10:42 |
Chipzz | jdub? | 10:43 |
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gpocentek | dholbach: of course! ;) | 11:01 |
dholbach | gpocentek: rock and roll | 11:03 |
dholbach | gracias | 11:03 |
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dholbach | doko: do you know of any plans to have the pydbg changes in Debian too? | 11:19 |
doko | dholbach: they already are | 11:19 |
doko | still needs to be announced | 11:20 |
dholbach | doko: oh? so it's "just a matter of bringing our changes into debian too"? | 11:20 |
slomo | and waiting ages until all million NEW packages are processed ;) | 11:20 |
doko | dholbach: exactly | 11:21 |
dholbach | that's good news | 11:21 |
dholbach | the merges are somewhat painful if we'd have to do them every now and then | 11:21 |
fierycleric | hi, how can i build a package with different configure flags? | 11:24 |
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gnomefreak | fierycleric: #ubuntu-motu might be better place to ask but alot of packages (all ive ever dealt with) has the config options in the debian/rules file | 11:43 |
fierycleric | thanks ive RTFM now and found what i was looking for :) .... whats #ubuntu-motu for? | 11:45 |
gnomefreak | the place to ask questions getting help with packaging | 11:45 |
fierycleric | i am there... .:) | 11:46 |
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elmo | I thought like, any laptop in the world, ever - worked with vesa? | 12:14 |
Mithrandir | there's a bug in the VESA driver in feisty which makes it fall over on some machines, like some ATI machines. | 12:15 |
Mithrandir | iirc | 12:15 |
elmo | Mithrandir: yeah, that's what I'm seeing | 12:16 |
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elmo | and for bonus points the wired network doesn't seem to work either - this is just wintastic | 12:18 |
TheMuso | Mithrandir: Ok to do your ccid merge for universe? | 12:19 |
Mithrandir | TheMuso: please. | 12:19 |
tepsipakki | the bug is in the server | 12:28 |
tepsipakki | how can I find out if other packages build-dep on a package? grep-dctrl seems cryptic, even the examples don't work | 12:34 |
Mithrandir | checkrdepends can do it | 12:35 |
Mithrandir | unsure if that's packaged | 12:36 |
elmo | apt-rdepends works and is packaged | 12:36 |
tepsipakki | thanks, I'll try that | 12:37 |
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Gman | hey jono | 12:40 |
jono | hey | 12:40 |
jono | hows things Gman? | 12:40 |
jono | Gman: you over at GUADEC? | 12:40 |
Gman | yeah | 12:41 |
Gman | hopefully | 12:41 |
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jono | Gman: good stuff :) | 12:42 |
Gman | should be a whole bunch of fun | 12:42 |
tepsipakki | E: Reverse build-dependencies are not supported | 12:42 |
tepsipakki | hmh | 12:42 |
StevenK | Yes, you can't ask "What packages Build-Depend on this one" | 12:43 |
pitti | tepsipakki: what do you need? I can look it up in the DC | 12:43 |
tepsipakki | pitti: I need to find out what packages build-dep on xutils/xlibs-dev/xbase-clients | 12:44 |
seb128 | tepsipakki: use grep-dctrl | 12:44 |
tepsipakki | seb128: I tried ;) | 12:44 |
siretart | tepsipakki: alias revbuilddeb='grep-dctrl -F Build-Depends -s Package $1 -n /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources' | 12:44 |
pitti | tepsipakki: I copied the script to http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/checkrdepends | 12:45 |
tepsipakki | siretart: ah, that could work | 12:45 |
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tepsipakki | pitti: thanks | 12:46 |
pitti | tepsipakki: see /query, but may be best to run that script yourself | 12:46 |
seb128 | tepsipakki: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/gutsy/rdepends/xorg/xutils also | 12:47 |
tepsipakki | seb128: whow | 12:47 |
tepsipakki | -h | 12:47 |
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seb128 | tepsipakki: "* Reverse Build-Depends:" is likely what you want | 12:54 |
tepsipakki | seb128: that's right, bookmark added | 12:54 |
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tepsipakki | ok, all those that have reverse build-deps on xlibs-dev also depend on the correct package (like "libx11-dev | xlibs-dev"), so I think xlibs-dev can be dropped. | 12:59 |
tepsipakki | same for reverse depends | 01:01 |
pitti | tepsipakki: right, checkrdepends doesn't handle alternatives | 01:05 |
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pitti | tepsipakki: but not all | 01:06 |
pitti | tepsipakki: I just ran melanie -n -R (from dak) which does respect alternatives | 01:06 |
pitti | tepsipakki: http://paste.stgraber.org/906 | 01:06 |
pitti | tepsipakki: the hppa ones can be ignored, it's hopelessly out of date anyway | 01:07 |
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pitti | tepsipakki: this check was on feisty though, so the build deps might be fixed in gutsy | 01:07 |
tepsipakki | ok, germinate only lists main, right? | 01:08 |
pitti | I'm not sure, but probable | 01:08 |
pitti | e. g. kmplayer still b-deps on xlibs-dev without alternative | 01:08 |
tepsipakki | yeah.. there are a lot of them.. I'll check those | 01:09 |
pitti | tepsipakki: only ~ 10, would be easy to fix them if you want to get rid of it | 01:10 |
pitti | merging them with Debian might help, too | 01:11 |
tepsipakki | I'll see what can be done | 01:11 |
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pygi | hi hi folks | 01:16 |
tepsipakki | grrr | 01:19 |
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tepsipakki | bbdate merge was sloppy | 01:20 |
tepsipakki | meaning that the changes to build-deps were dropped. I'll fix that | 01:21 |
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tepsipakki | ok, wmacpiload/wmbatteries/wmfortune/xqbiff/xreverse/squeak-vm have all been removed from debian, I guess | 02:02 |
tepsipakki | so they should be removed from ubuntu too, right? | 02:02 |
ogra | no !!! | 02:03 |
StevenK | Heh | 02:03 |
tepsipakki | :) | 02:03 |
ogra | not squeak at least | 02:03 |
ogra | we're maintaining our own package here | 02:04 |
tepsipakki | ogra: ok, in that case I'll update it | 02:04 |
StevenK | Oh yes, I can picture xqbiff having, ohhh, no users at all! | 02:04 |
ogra | tepsipakki, the edubuntu team will take care of it .. | 02:04 |
pygi | tepsipakki, debian folks sometimes (read: often) can do weird things | 02:05 |
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pygi | StevenK, yes? ^^ | 02:06 |
tepsipakki | ogra: ok, could you adjust the build-deps so it doesn't dep on xlibs-dev? | 02:06 |
bintut | hello all.. anyone here from the ubuntu embedded team? | 02:06 |
StevenK | pygi: I'm a DD, as are a bunch of people here. :-) | 02:06 |
pygi | StevenK, my statement still stands :) | 02:07 |
StevenK | I wasn't disagreeing. :-) | 02:07 |
dholbach | bintut: ubuntu mobile team? | 02:07 |
pygi | StevenK, good, good :) | 02:07 |
bintut | dholbach: i don't know the right name of the team.. i just read the announcement of developing ubuntu for embedded/mobile edition | 02:08 |
dholbach | bintut: try #ubuntu-mobile | 02:08 |
bintut | dholbach: ok.. thanks.. | 02:08 |
dholbach | anytime | 02:08 |
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ogra | tepsipakki, nopted | 02:10 |
tepsipakki | filed a bug about the removal of those (apart from dear squeak-vm ;) | 02:10 |
ogra | *noteed | 02:10 |
ogra | argh | 02:10 |
ogra | *noted | 02:10 |
tepsipakki | heh | 02:10 |
pitti | tepsipakki: will take care of that on Friday | 02:13 |
tepsipakki | pitti: good | 02:13 |
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pitti | doko: what do you think of cow-trading merges? I currently have zope3; can I leave that to you and do some of yours? (like belocs-locales-bin and coreutils) | 02:29 |
doko | pitti: sure | 02:30 |
pitti | ok, grabbing those then | 02:30 |
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farion | i have successfully have compiled the linux-source-2.6.22 package, but how can i add the sources of linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22? | 02:32 |
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robertj | what do you think of some kind of custom add-on for the wiki that provided some way for people to designate sections as being version specific and let people set a session variable to designate what version they wanted to see | 03:15 |
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robertj | "This page contains information about a specific version of Ubuntu. Please select which version of the page you wish to see. <select />" | 03:16 |
doko | pitti: should / can we promote db4.5 to main? | 03:17 |
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doko | pitti: what was the rationale to drop libdb-dev as b-d in curl? | 03:18 |
pitti | doko: certainly | 03:18 |
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pitti | doko: I'd just appreciate if we could drop an older version at some point | 03:19 |
doko | pitti: lets get rid of all but db4.5 | 03:19 |
pitti | db4.2 is only used by cyrus-sasl2, libintl-perl, openldap2{,.3} | 03:19 |
doko | cyrus could be problematic | 03:20 |
pitti | 6 reverse build deps for db4.3 | 03:20 |
pitti | anything that uses on-disk transactions is problematic | 03:20 |
pitti | I guess that should affect a few packages | 03:20 |
pitti | and 12 r-build-deps for 4.4 | 03:21 |
pgquiles | I am trying to package a library using debhelper but I am doing something is wrong. dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot installs files fine in debian/tmp/usr/lib and debian/tmp/usr/share, but then they are not copied to mylib/usr/lib, mylib/usr/share, mylib-dev/usr/lib and mylib-dev/usr/share. I am following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003 | 03:21 |
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pitti | pgquiles: that's #ubuntu-motu stuff; however, you are probably missing debian/mylib-dev.install | 03:22 |
pochu | pgquiles: #ubuntu-motu is a better place to ask about packaging :) | 03:22 |
pitti | pgquiles: man dh_install(1) | 03:22 |
pitti | keescook: do you still remember how to workaround the coreutils local FTBFS with '../../src/dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given'? | 03:23 |
pgquiles | thank you, joining #ubuntu-motu | 03:23 |
keescook | pitti: agh, I don't sorry. | 03:23 |
keescook | (how did you know I was awake?!) :) | 03:23 |
pitti | keescook: I didn't, it was just IRC-queueing :) | 03:24 |
pitti | good mornign | 03:24 |
keescook | mornin'. dogs got me up early; thought I'd do some email and then catch breakfast. :) | 03:25 |
keescook | afair, building in chroot worked | 03:25 |
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Markus2 | As https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/88901 is my first bug fixing for Ubuntu, please allow me to ask if I need to do something else: Inform a developer, provide additional information? I'm not sure if the patch is enough? | 04:19 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 88901 in pidgin "[apport] gaim-url-handler crashed with Error in __call__()" [Medium,Fix committed] | 04:19 |
seb128 | Markus2: it's too much change to be accepted | 04:20 |
seb128 | Markus2: your patch change most of the file | 04:21 |
seb128 | a fix for this bug should be like 1 line | 04:21 |
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Markus2 | Seb128: So the bugs stays open? You can't change the problem with one line, as the whole file was buggy with gaim Beta6. I don't get it. | 04:22 |
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Markus2 | Seb128: So the bugs stays open? You can't change the problem with one line, as the whole file was buggy with gaim Beta6. I don't get it. I would be happy if you provide additional information, so I can avoid wasting time when trying to fix the next bug. | 04:31 |
pygi | seb128, tbh if bug affects a lot of users, we *should* fix it | 04:32 |
seb128 | Markus2: gutsy has pidgin 2.0.0 which fixes the bug if I understand correctly | 04:32 |
pitti | seb128: hm, most of the patch is just removing the backup file, the rest doesn't actually look that scary? | 04:32 |
Markus2 | Gutsy of course. So Feisty won't see a fix? | 04:32 |
seb128 | pitti: that doesn't look like a high importance bug to me, if we start to fix such ones we will get 100 desktop SRU during the feisty cycle | 04:32 |
seb128 | Markus2: the bug is not too important, I don't think it's worth a SRU, no | 04:33 |
Markus2 | pitti: It's my first patch, sorry if I did something wrong. Hints are highly appreciated | 04:33 |
pitti | ooh, we are talking about an SRU here? right, no way then | 04:33 |
seb128 | pitti: nothing wrong, that just doesn't look like a stable update candidate to me | 04:33 |
Markus2 | Sorry to be dumb, what's a SRU? | 04:33 |
pitti | Markus2: I thought it was about fixing gutsy, since the bug is still marked open for it | 04:33 |
pochu | !sru | Markus2 | 04:34 |
ubotu | Markus2: Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse. | 04:34 |
pitti | seb128: 'stable release update' | 04:34 |
seb128 | pitti: gaim has been replaced by pidgin | 04:34 |
seb128 | pitti: that's for Markus2 | 04:34 |
seb128 | pitti: I've not looked how to deal with the some hundred bugs yet | 04:34 |
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pitti | seb128: so the bug should just be close then, I figure? | 04:34 |
seb128 | pitti: yes, reassigned to pidgin and marked fixed | 04:34 |
seb128 | it's on pidgin | 04:35 |
seb128 | just need to be closed then | 04:35 |
seb128 | doing that | 04:35 |
seb128 | Markus2: nothing wrong, you just sent a patch for a bug already fixed to gutsy | 04:35 |
seb128 | Markus2: and we do backport fix to stable only when the bug is really important or annoying lot of users which is not the case of this one | 04:36 |
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Markus2 | Well, thanks Sebastien for taking the time to look into it. I still don't understand the issue fully as I can't see any side-effects with fixing the totally useless gaim-url-handler now. But I respect that you for sure have good reasons to handle like you do. I'm still in the learning process. I'm just a bit disappointed when every single Wiki-Page encourages you to provide help and then the whole work was just useless. So I will concentrate | 04:41 |
seb128 | Markus2: it was not useless, but you worked on something already fixed | 04:41 |
seb128 | Markus2: we use pidgin instead of gaim now | 04:42 |
seb128 | Markus2: and it's fixed to pidgin | 04:42 |
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Markus2 | I do understand that issue for gutsy. Still, the bug exists in Feisty. I did understand that part of your message. And: If I work on something without a chance to get into feisty and fixed in gutsy, then it *is* wasted time :-) | 04:43 |
seb128 | Markus2: we could discuss doing a feisty upload, but read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for some background on stable updates (they require qa team work, regression testing, etc) | 04:43 |
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seb128 | Markus2: next time maybe ask if the bug is a candidate for a stable update before starting on it, that one has no feisty task open | 04:44 |
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sharms | Markus2: if you find a bug like that, and want to help (we want you to help!) the best thing to do is hang out in #ubuntu-motu and ask before working on it | 04:44 |
sharms | Markus2: generally someone there will know about it and if it still needs to be fixed | 04:44 |
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seb128 | Markus2: we can't spend qa time to test regression for every bug | 04:44 |
Markus2 | Thanks everyone for taking the time to explain me some rules I wasn't aware off. SEE YOU. | 04:47 |
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bddebian | Heya | 05:30 |
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tkamppeter | I have a question about replacing an obsolete package by a new package: | 05:49 |
tkamppeter | The obsolete package is gs-esp and its replacement is the already existing gs-gpl | 05:50 |
tkamppeter | Is it correct when I let the gs-gpl have | 05:50 |
tkamppeter | Confilcts: gs-esp (<< 8.60) | 05:51 |
tkamppeter | Replaces: gs-esp (<< 8.60) | 05:51 |
tkamppeter | Provides: gs-esp | 05:51 |
tkamppeter | and I let the gs-gpl source package make a transitional package named gs-esp which depends on gs-gpl | 05:52 |
tkamppeter | Is this correct? | 05:52 |
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bddebian | tkamppeter: Sounds right but I'm no expert on the matter | 05:53 |
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tkamppeter | Especially I also woul like to know how the upload will work, as gs-gpl will ship the (transitional) binary package gs-esp and the gs-esp which is still in the archives will also ship a binary package named gs-esp. | 06:01 |
pitti | tkamppeter: that sounds fine | 06:07 |
pitti | tkamppeter: right, there will be two gs-esp packages in the archive (built by different sources), the highest version will win | 06:07 |
pitti | tkamppeter: so you need to make sure that the transitional gs-esp has a higher version than the current gs-esp | 06:08 |
pitti | tkamppeter: with the versions in the archive that's already the case | 06:08 |
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bddebian | Is there any reason to keep gs-esp in the archive? | 06:10 |
pitti | tkamppeter: ^ if gs-esp will disappear upstream and is not needed any more, I'd remove it | 06:10 |
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tkamppeter | pitti, gs-esp and gs-afpl can be removed. gs-esp is not provided upstream any more and gs-afpl is the same as gs-gpl now. | 06:14 |
tkamppeter | pitti, I have added appropriate lines in the control file and transitional packages to automatically uninstall all packages of gs-esp, gs-afpl, gs-aladdin, gs wheninstalling gs-gpl. | 06:16 |
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tkamppeter | pitti, gs-gpl will be the only Ghostscript then, as it is the newest Ghostscript and it provides full functionality. | 06:17 |
Burgundavia | is there any reason to have the license name in the package then? | 06:19 |
Burgundavia | why not just call it gs? | 06:19 |
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tkamppeter | Burgundavia, perhaps we better wait for Debian what they do with the package names. | 06:22 |
Burgundavia | that is probably sane | 06:22 |
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tkamppeter | pitti, so after my testing I will make the new gs-gpl available for you to upload. With this upload gs-esp and gs-afpl can be removed. | 06:27 |
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xst | Since upgrading to feisty I have no sound. How can I see if there is any progress in bug #108288? | 07:04 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 108288 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Audio is played in "slow motion"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108288 | 07:04 |
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pitti | tkamppeter: great, thanks | 07:17 |
Burgundavia | xst: by checking the bug | 07:18 |
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Hobbsee | morning all! | 07:29 |
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=== pitti hugs Hobbsee | ||
=== Hobbsee hugs pitti :D | ||
seb128 | hey Hobbsee | 07:32 |
Hobbsee | heya seb128! | 07:33 |
Amaranth | hey Hobbsee (late) | 07:34 |
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Burgundavia | hey Hobbsee | 07:34 |
Hobbsee | hiya Amaranth, Burgundavia :) | 07:34 |
Amaranth | ooh, xchat-gnome does a little ding now | 07:35 |
Amaranth | i ditched pulseaudio, it was causing too many wakeups | 07:35 |
Burgundavia | playing with that powertop thingy? | 07:36 |
Amaranth | yeah | 07:36 |
Amaranth | it's sad though | 07:36 |
Amaranth | Wakeups-from-idle per second : 839.8 | 07:37 |
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Burgundavia | not yet on gutsy, need the tickless kernel | 07:37 |
Amaranth | things i hate: | 07:38 |
Amaranth | 36.7% (161.6) <interrupt> : uhci_hcd:usb4, nvidia | 07:38 |
Amaranth | 11.4% (50.2) <interrupt> : uhci_hcd:usb3, yenta, ipw3945 | 07:38 |
Amaranth | 10.6% (46.8) <interrupt> : HDA Intel | 07:38 |
Burgundavia | interesting to see the numbers on a warty install | 07:39 |
Ng | Amaranth: woah, that's a pretty good score | 07:40 |
Ng | I thought my 300 or so were bad ;) | 07:41 |
Amaranth | Ng: what do you get 300 from? | 07:41 |
Amaranth | ipw3945 and nvidia kick me out of C3 | 07:41 |
Ng | Amaranth: thinkpad x40. feisty install I booted with a gutsy kernel to test powertop with | 07:41 |
Amaranth | oh, you get 300 total? | 07:42 |
Amaranth | while running X? | 07:42 |
Amaranth | s/X/GNOME desktop/ | 07:42 |
Ng | yes, while running my regular setup | 07:42 |
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Ng | but that has wifi and stuff, so it's expected to wake up. also I didn't put in any of the patches | 07:42 |
Amaranth | if i stop X and hit the kill switch on my wireless i get down to ~80 | 07:42 |
Ng | I didn't apply any patches, so I didn't get to keithp levels, but with init, bash and some kernel modules it was idling about 35 and spending >90% of the time in C4 | 07:43 |
Ng | interestingly though, that didn't drop the power usage more than a W or two | 07:43 |
Amaranth | i don't even get power usage reports | 07:43 |
Amaranth | i'm guessing things calling schedule_timeout (process_timeout) or do_nanosleep should be smacked about | 07:47 |
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er1 | does someone knows how can I redefine my default g++ compiler? | 07:54 |
er1 | I want to change it from g++-4.0 to g++-3.3 | 07:54 |
er1 | I have both compilers installed. | 07:54 |
er1 | right now in the /usr/bin directory I have: g++ -> g++4.0 | 07:55 |
Pici | er1: relink /usr/bin/g++ to whichever version you want to use | 07:56 |
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geser | mdz: the last log for xmms2 contains only "/bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected" as reason but no info about the called command (which it did in the last logs). Do you have an idea how to get this info back? | 08:30 |
mdz | geser: no, I don't | 08:32 |
mdz | sounds like changes to the shell on the buildds; I vaguely recall hearing something about that | 08:32 |
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Hobbsee | hiya mdz - you made it back OK then? | 08:34 |
mdz | Hobbsee: I did, thank you. and you as well? | 08:37 |
Hobbsee | mdz: sort of | 08:37 |
Hobbsee | :) | 08:37 |
Hobbsee | mdz: took 36 hours, 4 and a bit planes, 3 trains, 1 car, and 1 taxi. | 08:37 |
Hobbsee | mdz: now you can see why i was whining the last night when we started playing Mao :P | 08:38 |
mdz | that's a long way, even for .au | 08:38 |
mdz | that's about as long as it took rtg to get home | 08:38 |
Hobbsee | it should have only been about 32 | 08:38 |
Hobbsee | rtg? | 08:39 |
Hobbsee | elkbuntu and ajmitch's were slightly longer again | 08:39 |
Hobbsee | mdz: you've got to remember though - au just *is* a long way away. | 08:39 |
mdz | rtg is a kernel developers who lives in Montana | 08:39 |
Hobbsee | ahh | 08:39 |
Hobbsee | and i'm almost over the jetlag - woo! :P | 08:40 |
racarr | Didn't you just sleep from 3 PM to 3 AM? | 08:40 |
Hobbsee | yes | 08:41 |
Hobbsee | but that's better than the 6am to 6pm from the day before | 08:41 |
racarr | Fair enough. | 08:41 |
truz_`24 | where is linux/config.h? | 08:44 |
Hobbsee | hah. now the horrible truth about the smokes comes out... | 08:44 |
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ajmitch | morning | 10:42 |
sharms | hey | 10:44 |
Hobbsee | hi ajmitch! | 10:44 |
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pata_sis_prob | good evening | 10:54 |
pata_sis_prob | i got a problem with the pata_sis module on a fresh ubuntu 7.04 installation | 10:55 |
pata_sis_prob | could somebody please explain how i can solve this problem by chrooting the system from a live-cd and compiling the kernel with the necessary patch? | 10:55 |
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sharms | apokryphos: I don't believe ATI ever said they are releasing their drivers open source. That enterprise linux blog was commenting about the same things Chris Blizzard was, and I think they just over eagerly paraphrased things | 11:10 |
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sharms | I believe they said "we are committed to fixing our problems with open source", not "we will open source our drivers" | 11:13 |
sharms | and from my correspondence with AMD, they are developing another closed source rewrite of fglrx, which can only be obtained through NDA at this point | 11:14 |
apokryphos | hm, still sounds hard for a huge room of people to misinterpret | 11:14 |
sharms | I trust chris blizzard over enterprise linux blog though | 11:14 |
bhale | I trust them to show us | 11:15 |
bhale | throwing speculation all over the internet isnt helping anyone | 11:15 |
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sharms | bhale: no I just posted a possibly derogatory blog entry about AMD and how they should open source the drivers, so I was just clarifying that as far as I know they didn't commit to releasing any source | 11:16 |
sharms | but if I am wrong, I would take the entry down, just checking to make sure I got my end straight | 11:16 |
apokryphos | hm, Blizzard doesn't seem to explicitly state that they didn't say that | 11:18 |
mjr | incidentally, it does seem to me too that people are reading too much into what ATI actually said | 11:18 |
apokryphos | now, if only these talks were online 8) | 11:18 |
mjr | so putting on pressure to do what people think they said is good :] | 11:19 |
sharms | ha, new blog entry: "Redhat open source your talks with the ATI guy!" | 11:19 |
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apokryphos | sharms: either way, especially with the hype about it atm, calling for a boycott of amd is definitely jumping the gun (at this point) ;-) | 11:22 |
mjg59 | Could we not have this discussion here, please? | 11:23 |
apokryphos | sure | 11:23 |
mjg59 | Ta | 11:24 |
mjg59 | -offtopic might be a better choice | 11:24 |
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mjr | sharms, incidentally, url to the blog? | 11:26 |
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sharms | mjr: http://www.sharms.org/blog | 11:40 |
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