[01:35] <Ju> hello !
[04:24] <MurcimiRiAm28> http://www.nuevointernet.com/votar.asp?id=84
[01:52] <flint> @schedule NewYork
[01:53] <flint> @schedule New_York
[01:53] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 17 May 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 18 May 16:00: Forum Council | 20 May 13:00: Xubuntu Developers | 22 May 16:00: Technical Board | 23 May 16:00: Edubuntu
[02:01] <RichEd> Hello Edubunteros
[02:01] <Treenaks> hey RichEd
[02:01] <EduardoL> hi.
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:01] <RichEd> Let me give a last call in #edbuntu and then we'll kick off
[02:01] <ogra> ola
[02:01] <flint> RichEd, Is there a meeting this morning?  God it is early!
[02:02] <RichEd> hey flint ...
[02:02] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:02] <flint> ogra, Hi olli!  My kid is still dealing with the German banking system.  ...and he is a contortionist!
[02:02] <RichEd> I'll start with a logistics discussion quickly
[02:03] <ogra> flint, i fear i cant help you much here ... if he has a valid id he should be able toi just easily open an account
[02:03] <RichEd> We've been looking at reducing the Edubuntu meeting time to 1 hour ... it somehow crept up to 2 hours a while back and does tend to drag on
[02:03] <RichEd> So ogra and I bounced around the idea of:
[02:03] <flint> ogra, Thanks! he is in a beautiful place...
[02:03] <RichEd> 1 hour - edubuntu product ... tech focus
[02:04] <RichEd> 1 hour - ubuntu and education - web and community and direction and management focus
[02:04] <RichEd> that would allow the tech guys to concentrate on the first hour
[02:05] <RichEd> and then people like kubuntu and ubuntu education related could be invited to join the 2nd hour and not get stuck in product issues
[02:05] <RichEd> --- comments ?
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds sane. i'll be back in 50 minutes :)
[02:05] <ogra> heh
[02:06] <ogra> ok, tech ?
[02:06] <RichEd> if that seems generally okay, I'll split the existing agenda ... and change the fridge and we can try it out next week
[02:06] <RichEd> thanks ... take it away Mr Tech ogra sir
[02:06] <flint> ogra, engard avez le tech!
[02:06] <ogra> we had two wonderful conferences in sevilla :=
[02:06] <ogra> :)
[02:06] <flint> ogra, I am not bitter...
[02:07] <jsgotangco> ogra, I am not bitter...
[02:07] <ogra> during the edu conf we prepared some stuff to discuss later at the tech conf ...
[02:07] <flint> ok, a little bitter.... just a bit.
[02:07] <ogra> there were a bunch of ltsp specs as well as specific edubuntu ones
[02:08] <ogra> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-update-manager-integration https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-palm-devices https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ldm-improvements and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-boot-performance would be the most noticeable ones for ltsp
[02:09] <ogra> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-addon-enhancements https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-application-review and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-user-management were the4 rather edubuntu specific ones
[02:09] <ogra> beyond theese we're working on an image for the new intel classmate PC (i guess everyone who reads planetr already heard that)
[02:10] <ogra> we're (actually the distro team) about to hire a second ltsp developer
[02:10] <ogra> so i will be able to concentrate more on the educational side of things and on the mentioned classmate
[02:10] <jsgotangco> very nice
[02:10] <willvdl> classmate++
[02:11] <ogra> sadly vagrantc isnt here, he'*s the hot candidate for the ltsp stuff and will also work closely with the edu team
[02:11] <ogra> he's currently still travelling through spain with Burgundavia :)
[02:12] <ogra> i hope i can introduce him in one of the next meetings depending on his wlan access
[02:12] <willvdl> ogra, I am not bitter...
[02:12] <ogra> heh, me neither ... *snort*
[02:13] <ogra> so thats about it ... currently i try to perpare the ltsp stuff vagrant cant do while trabvelling (all the HW related things) so he can just jump into coding
[02:13] <ogra> if i'm done with the worst i'll jukmp on the classmate
[02:14] <flint> I move that there be no more discussion of bitterness due to the beauty of the Spanish countryside... second?
[02:14] <ogra> thats all from my side, feel free to bomb me with questions now :)
[02:14] <willvdl> ogra, perhaps a bit of elaboration on mass deployment?
[02:15] <ogra> willvdl, do we have a spec for that ? i wasnt in any of these sessions
[02:15] <ogra> i know there is a spec, but was it discussed at all for *edubuntu* ?
[02:15] <willvdl> well, there was an ubuntu one but it seems to rather touch on other specs (I got the impression)
[02:16] <flint> ogra, are you able to get your little fingers on an intel classmate?
[02:16] <ogra> well, its a feature the hugely grown server team will bring us ... i was counting on inheriting the technique
[02:16] <jsgotangco> he did
[02:16] <jsgotangco> flint: the more it will just make us bitter
[02:16] <ogra> flint, yes, its sitting here on my desktop
[02:16] <willvdl> ogra, gotcha
[02:16] <flint> ogra, ok, Now I am bitter...
[02:17] <flint> :^)
[02:17] <ogra> the server team is grown by a huge amount, i expect them to develope stuff we can use
[02:17] <ogra> so the edubuntu side of things in the server area tried to keep really with the *edubuntu* side of things ;)
[02:18] <ogra> we definded a gui solution to do mass user management in the default user management gui
[02:18] <willvdl> gotcha, jsut reread the spec
[02:18] <ogra> which i think is important to be done intuitive for teachers ...
[02:19] <ogra> since we got the userbase to gaiun good feedback i think it falls into the edubuntu realm ... while i think that mass deployment in general is a clear ubuntu-server task
[02:19] <RichEd> In spain there are 8 regions ... 7 of which have open source government backed education initiatives
[02:20] <RichEd> 6 of the 7 are based on ubuntu
[02:20] <RichEd> Guadalinex alone is 180,000 desktops
[02:20] <willvdl> 185,000 and counting :)
[02:20] <jsgotangco> what a heavenly place to settle
[02:20] <RichEd> We estimate 400,000 to 500,000 education desktops across spain
[02:21] <RichEd> Guadalinex manage the 180,000 desktops with 30 support staff
[02:21] <ogra> with every region cooking their own soup
[02:21] <ogra> sadly ...
[02:21] <ogra> but they all have a common ancestor ;)
[02:21] <jsgotangco> how colourful!
[02:21] <willvdl> ogra, I doubt for long
[02:21] <RichEd> All the tech guys agree that a closer base to Ubuntu is better than the derivative approach ... and all want to cooperate with getting apps into repositories etc.
[02:22] <ogra> willvdl, you wont change politics in spain
[02:22] <flint> Ogra is correct, but there is a benefit to this chaos.
[02:22] <ogra> they will still want to sell it as *theoir* solition
[02:22] <RichEd> The upshot is that we are working on a case study to show other countries that you can deploy Edubuntu and Ubuntu across entire regions as a realistic solution.
[02:22] <ogra> but the more we can get in under the hood the easier it will get for everyone ...
[02:23] <RichEd> hence the need for mass deployment and management tools
[02:27] <ogra> well, if there are no more questions about tech stuff we can go on ... lets not waste time with silence :)
[02:27] <willvdl> ogra, were you in on the edubuntu-kde spec?
[02:27] <ogra> yep
[02:27] <ogra> Riddel wants to generate an edubuntu-kde metapackage
[02:28] <ogra> which is fine for me
[02:28] <willvdl> how would that fit into the Edubuntu CD?
[02:28] <ogra> not at all
[02:28] <flint> ogra, a Kedubuntu CD eh?
[02:28] <willvdl> aha, so just a list of tools/addons needed to get kde working with ltsp then?
[02:28] <ogra> its just about being able to unstall edubuntu-kde to get a kde based desktop if you urgently want
[02:29] <ogra> *install
[02:29] <ogra> no its unrelated to ltsp
[02:29] <willvdl> except for TCM porting that is
[02:30] <ogra> the ltsp-kde stuff was to identify the problems with kde and fix them but thats mainoly on kde side not on ltsp side
[02:30] <ogra> and it was only aorkshops that resulted in bugs
[02:30] <ogra> *workshops
[02:30] <ogra> nothing to spec there, kubuntu just needs to fix the bugs
[02:31] <willvdl> so the kde folks will work on that integration?
[02:31] <ogra> most stuff we did was covered by the ltsp pecs anyway
[02:31] <ogra> foir the ltsp side that is
[02:31] <ogra> right, the only thing that was missing was full sound integration
[02:31] <ogra> all other stuff just works
[02:32] <ogra> for local devices we'll do some enhancements anyway that will fix the probs for them
[02:32] <ogra> beyond these two areas all was fine we found
[02:34] <ogra> beyond edubuntu scope we'll likelyx get an ubuntu-ltsp flavor on the next server CD ...
[02:34] <willvdl> sweet
[02:34] <ogra> that means i need to put some time into my gui tools as well ...
[02:35] <RichEd> ogra: please mail me the LTSP pdf ... Mr K is neing a bit slack
[02:35] <RichEd> *being
[02:35] <ogra> ltsp-manager needs to be ready for release and TCM needs to get nmore testing in big deployments
[02:35] <willvdl> any plans for italc?
[02:35] <willvdl> ;)
[02:35] <RichEd> ogra: maybe we can suggest that they look at a LTSP Add on CD for small business ? a bit of a combo of LTSP and the small business server spec ?
[02:35] <ogra> i will work on these as well as the ldm enhancement spec ... the rest will go to vagrant
[02:36] <ogra> RichEd, i assume business people will have a decent internet connection
[02:36] <ogra> no need for an extra CD
[02:37] <RichEd> depends on the country ... africa small business have the same problem as africa schools
[02:37] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall is all they need to do ... a partially written gui wrappe exists already and i agreed with steve george that i would finish it for gutsy
[02:37] <ogra> so all you will need to do is two clicks and watch the progress bar
[02:38] <ogra> RichEd, the plan is to let the server CD die
[02:38] <RichEd> okie
[02:38] <ogra> and have a DVD only server release that includes ltsp as well
[02:38] <ogra> and varoius other flavours
[02:39] <ogra> so people in countries with low bandwith probably should get the edubuntu CD ;)
[02:39] <ogra> since that will stay a CD based server
[02:41] <ogra> consensus was that you will need a beefy machine to run as ltsp server, so its likely they have a DVD reader at least
[02:41] <willvdl> shall we move on?
[02:41] <ogra> these things use to come with DVDs nowadays
[02:41] <ogra> yeah
[02:42] <ogra> i'm done if there arent more questions
[02:42] <ogra> so feel free to move further
[02:42] <willvdl> I'm curious to see what happens with TCOS in future...
[02:43] <RichEd> oh ... one thind to add on the DVD CD issue
[02:43] <ogra> we'lkl add it to universe and stay away from it as far as we can :)
[02:43] <RichEd> There was a suggestion that there is a DVD LTSP Ubuntu / Edubuntu ... and a CD LTSP Edubuntu
[02:44] <RichEd> So Edubuntu stays as is on a CD ... for people with old h/w servers
[02:44] <ogra> TCOS remiplements ltsp 4.2 without using nfs but with re.introducing all probs ltsp4.2 had
[02:44] <ogra> its unmaintainable
[02:44] <RichEd> But a DVD is produced that you can install either Ubuntu or Edubuntu install for LTSP ...
[02:44] <RichEd> This was a end goal ... and may only be a 1 year target.
[02:45] <ogra> to do that you need to grow DVDs ;)
[02:45] <ogra> the DVD doesnt even include all of main
[02:45] <willvdl> or shrink Main :)
[02:46] <ogra> i'm fine if someone makes room and adds edubuntu-desktop to the ubuntu server DVD though
[02:46] <ogra> but the target of the discussiojn we held was to have a ubuntu ltsp option on the server CD
[02:47] <ogra> since that wont work due to space constraints of a CD it was suggested to let the CD for ubuntu vanish completely
[02:47] <ogra> and switch ubuntu server to a DVD release
[02:47] <ogra> edubuntu wasnt discussed at all there, only as the distro to steal the ltsp suff from
[02:49] <flint> RichEd, maybe the edubuntu design team needs to co-opt the process of sharing LTSP code to other projects?
[02:49] <ogra> as soon as we integrate stuff like moodle or network auth, we'll need to do that in the installer in edubuntu, so we'll stay bound to your first CD
[02:49] <RichEd> flint ... expand on that a bit more ? which projects do you mean ?
[02:50] <ogra> flint, all ltsp development is done in ubuntu except the installer integration
[02:50] <flint> RichEd, ogra just named two,  moodle or network auth.  Add a POS system to integration and you got the biz guys...
[02:50] <ogra> so the actual outcome of the discussion for me personally means "make the installer bit work in ubuntu"
[02:51] <ogra> which is trivial and costs me less than an hour of work ;)
[02:51] <jsgotangco> the only decent POS that is free software out there requires java
[02:51] <ogra> flint, yes, thats what the ubuntu server DVD will be for
[02:51] <ogra> but thats out of scope of the edu team
[02:51] <flint> jsgotangco, yea, tina POS is it.
[02:51] <RichEd> flint: we are building a single CD (.iso) Moodle2Go based on Edubuntu ... quick clean install of a complete appliance
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont understand the dvd/cd seperation here - what goes on what media?
[02:52] <ogra> i'm fine helping the distro guy who is responsible for ltsp to implement it, but my focus is edu
[02:52] <flint> RichEd, I was addressing ogras concern about stealing...
[02:52] <RichEd> flint: so as that relationship expands, we'll explore more - we had a moodle core developer at UES and UDS
[02:52] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, for ubuntu its planned to only have a DVD for ubuntu-server in the future with many many install options
[02:53] <ogra> one shall be ltsp
[02:53] <ogra> edubuntu will stay as is
[02:53] <RichEd> *back
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, so we keep the edubuntu workstation install cd, and use 'the' ubuntu server cd?
[02:53] <willvdl> no, that's just for ltsp in ubuntu
[02:54] <ogra> flint, i will be the thief ... stealing was rather meant metaphoric
[02:54] <flint> After my hiatus coming back up to speed for me will take some time eh?
[02:54] <willvdl> ltsp in edubuntu stays the same
[02:54] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, noithing changes for edubuntu
[02:54] <flint> ogra, I completely understand, but I could hear the emotion in your words.
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, ok. i supose i'll have to finish downloading trhe feisty isos and try tehm to find out what wont change :)
[02:55] <ogra> flint, the code we have in edubuntu for the automatic setup of ltsp isnt in ubuntu yet ... that one needs to be moved
[02:55] <jsgotangco> seriously?
[02:55] <flint> ogra, ah.
[02:55] <ogra> there is only positive emotion here, i'm totally happy about that :)
[02:56] <ogra> jsgotangco, the udeb is there but not used or preseeded
[02:56] <ogra> its quite trivial
[02:56] <jsgotangco> yeah i would think that
[02:56] <ogra> the one big prob for ubuntu is that ltsp needs a -desktop package on the CD ... you need something you can log in to
[02:56] <ogra> that gets -server in a slightly grey area ...
[02:57] <ogra> but its job of the marketing guys to care for that ;)
[02:57] <ogra> s/CD/DVD/ indeed
[02:58] <ogra> two mins to go....
[02:58] <ogra> and other questions ?
[02:58] <willvdl> not me
[02:59] <ogra> (according to the fridge the CC meeting should be now ... that was yesterday, wasnt it ?)
[02:59] <jsgotangco> yes, whoever manages the fridge calendar didn't change it
[02:59] <ogra> (not noisy enough in he for pre CC time)
[02:59] <ogra> *here
[03:00] <jsgotangco> we had a good attendance yesterday, and the new CC as well
[03:00] <ogra> ok, i'm done then ...
[03:01] <RichEd> Let's kick in a quick artwork update as a bridge subject ...
[03:01] <RichEd> We spoke recently about bringing the artwork for edubuntu into a more formalised process ... so the work gets done in time for releases without a deadline panic
[03:02] <RichEd> So edubuntu and kubuntu sat with kwii (Ubuntu Art Lead) at UDS
[03:03] <RichEd> We suggested to Ken that we'd like to work our art in a way that the community can contribute ideas and draft works to edubuntu ... but that ken makes sure the end result is professional and up to standard.
[03:04] <RichEd> And that it relates back to the ubuntu theme ... like the various flavours of Coke have their own brand, but look like the same family.
[03:05] <RichEd> And he was happy with that. Will is looking at an overall timeline for each release, and is buiiding in deadline and trigger days for all docs required and all artwork required ... so this should end up smoother this next release cycle.
[03:05] <RichEd> cbx33 and aliasvegas will be brought into the art cycle.
[03:05] <RichEd> ---
[03:06] <RichEd> any other artwork issues right now ?
[03:06] <ogra> he asked as well that all contributions go to art.ubuntu.com  instead of being scattered over various wikipages
[03:06] <ogra> we have an edubuntu category there
[03:06] <jsgotangco> honestly this art issue has been around since like breezy :/
[03:06] <ogra> yep
[03:07] <RichEd> jsgotangco: same old story, but we made some good face-2-face progress
[03:07] <willvdl> essentially, the deadlines are the same for normal packages as the artwork ends up in a package
[03:07] <RichEd> so hopefully it will go to bed now
[03:07] <ogra> willvdl, not really, we usually have an artwork deadline in the release schedule
[03:07] <willvdl> yeah, but it gets packaged as well
[03:07] <ogra>  17
[03:07] <ogra> 
[03:07] <ogra> August 16th
[03:07] <ogra> 
[03:07] <ogra> 
[03:08] <ogra> 
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[03:08] <willvdl> it's in the release schedule
[03:08] <ogra> ArtworkDeadlineOne
[03:08] <ogra>  19
[03:08] <ogra> 
[03:08] <ogra> August 30th
[03:08] <ogra> 
[03:08] <ogra> 
[03:08] <ogra> ArtworkDeadlineTwo,
[03:08] <ogra> bah pasting from the wiki is crap, sorry
[03:08] <willvdl> it's on the wiki release schedule for gutsy
[03:09] <ogra> August 16th first artwork deadline, August 30th second, September 20th GutsyArtworkFinalDeadline
[03:09] <willvdl> I suppose the web theme was also discussed as an artwork topic
[03:09] <ogra> not in the BOF i was in ...
[03:10] <willvdl> nope :)
[03:10] <ogra> and since its neither package nor archive related we are able to set our own deadlines here
[03:11] <willvdl> well, the www.u.com has a new drupal template
[03:11] <RichEd-1> hi ... damn adsl reset :(
[03:11] <willvdl> which was suggested that we (as th locos do) and kubuntu take, modify to our look 'n feel
[03:12] <ogra> i thought pips1 works on something on beta.e.ch
[03:12] <willvdl> and reuse
[03:12] <ogra> ah
[03:12] <willvdl> ogra, that's not our www.e.org front
[03:12] <ogra> i thought it was supposed to move if he's done
[03:12] <RichEd> willvdl: that's what I was about to say before I got ejected ... let me expand
[03:12] <RichEd> We also spoke to ken about the revamp and revision of the edubuntu.org web site ... * new look & feel * move to drupal theme based
[03:13] <RichEd> We need to : 1 revise look & feel to move from kiddies to teens
[03:13] <RichEd> 2. revise content
[03:13] <ogra> take out "move to drupla" ;) we were the ones that pushed for drupal against the admins ... now they also switch ;)
[03:14] <ogra> edubuntu.org is on drupal since it exists ;)
[03:14] <ogra> thanks to highvoltage who pushed hard for it
[03:14] <RichEd> ogra: move as in move to the new template structure ... sorry about the bad wording :)
[03:14] <ogra> ah, k
[03:14] <RichEd> corey showed us this look & feel : http://diy.devubuntu.com/spread.php
[03:14] <ogra> just wanted to give credit to highvoltage :)
[03:15] <RichEd> and then we showed ken the whiteboard and clock artwork that pete and lisa put together
[03:15] <RichEd> and came up with the idea of a "component theme" for edubuntu.org based around school whiteboard element
[03:16] <RichEd> so if you look at the example above, change the post it notes to whiteboard elements ... that'sa rough idea
[03:17] <RichEd> the comment was that if we move away from showing kids in the desktop backgrounds etc. then we reduce the "narrow age aim" and also compliants about "why is there not a XXX race person" etc
[03:17] <willvdl> post-it notes?
[03:17] <willvdl> presumably where it says "yikes" should be something unbroken
[03:19] <willvdl> RichEd, so who's going to finalise on the theme?
[03:19] <RichEd> works for me now will ? okay for you ?
[03:19] <RichEd> ken will do a mock up for us ... and then we will approve here in a meeting
[03:19] <highvoltage> ogra: thanks :)
[03:20] <RichEd> the structure and page alignments etc. should closely follow www.ubuntu.com as it exists right now
[03:21] <RichEd> so we are really only going to change the picture elements ... and possibly have some new drupal blocks
[03:21] <willvdl> ok, gotcha
[03:21] <ogra> hmm, the css on http://diy.devubuntu.com/spread.php is broken for me
[03:21] <ogra> some overlaps there
[03:21] <RichEd> ogra: try now ...
[03:22] <ogra> nope, no change
[03:22] <RichEd> we also want to make sure that we get a link or section on the www.ubuntu.com download and get ubuntu pages
[03:22] <willvdl> ah: http://diy.devubuntu.com/
[03:22] <willvdl> gives the answer...
[03:22] <ogra> lol
[03:23] <willvdl> yeah, the current download links on www.u.com only list ubuntu downloads
[03:23] <willvdl> same for kubunut.com and edubuntu.com
[03:23] <RichEd> at the moment, people see the ubuntu reviews or news releases, and go to www.ubuntu.com and hit Get Ubuntu and there is no obvious link
[03:23] <RichEd> which I think loses us 1000's of potential eyeballs
[03:24] <jsgotangco> click thrus, google juice as well
[03:25] <RichEd> so we need to fix that ... so again, if we can keep our look & feel a simple flavour change from Ubuntu ... then it is easire for matt nuzum to add links for us and allow for a smooth user experience as they bridge across to our site
[03:25] <ogra> same as for the desktop artwork :)
[03:25] <willvdl> and the wiki
[03:25] <RichEd> also it means that we can reference standard areas like "support" etc in header bars on our site that link back to ubuntu,com resources
[03:25] <ogra> yeah
[03:26] <RichEd> people will know when they are on edubuntu specific pages when they see the art change
[03:26] <RichEd> all from me on artwork ...
[03:26] <RichEd> Will ... Doc Topic ?
[03:27] <willvdl> sure, this will be quick
[03:27] <ogra> beyond that we agreed to drop ozur edubuntu artwork package and use ubuntu -artwork package creation tool in the future
[03:27] <ogra> so we have consensus for the builkd processes as well
[03:27] <ogra> (just as a tech remark)
[03:28] <willvdl> not too many doc folks at UDS
[03:28] <willvdl> unfortunately
[03:28] <ogra> yeah, sadly LaserJock had to leave early
[03:28] <willvdl> but was good to chat face-to-face with a number of edubuntu doc contributers
[03:28] <willvdl> the issues are:
[03:29] <willvdl> 1) how to work our content into ubuntu TBH content
[03:29] <willvdl> 2) so as not to affect handbook scope
[03:29] <willvdl> 3) or duplicate effort
[03:30] <willvdl> but as the wonderfully pragmatic sbalneav pointed out: content content conotent
[03:30] <elkbuntu> hmm... oops
[03:30] <willvdl> heh
[03:30] <elkbuntu> i think we covered alot of it when we spoke though
[03:31] <willvdl> so we'll open up contribs on the wiki instead
[03:31] <willvdl> using scripts to create the xml
[03:31] <willvdl> and manually scrape sections for the TBH sections.
[03:32] <willvdl> is a little more manual work than it should be but is best solution under circumstances
[03:32] <flint> RichEd, good sitting in and getting a feeling as to what is up.  I will be updating my lab soon.  Thanks all and later sksk
[03:32] <willvdl> elkbuntu, indeed :)
[03:33] <willvdl> questions?
[03:36] <willvdl> we need to follow the doc-team as closely as possible
[03:36] <willvdl> it's jsut that the handbook is structured differently
[03:36] <RichEd> okay ... if no questions ... then can Will explain a bit about the App Inclusion Process ?
[03:36] <RichEd> (and then I will wrap with community in the last 10 mins)
[03:37] <willvdl> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-application-review
[03:37] <willvdl> Process was assigned by LAserJock to help with 2nd CD selection of apps
[03:38] <willvdl> RichEd quickly and rightfully pointed out that the scope of app selection is much wider thatn jsut 2nd CD
[03:38] <willvdl> so the new education community space would have a channel for suggesting/vetting/voting/commenting/reviewing/ software
[03:39] <willvdl> which we would use to feed into the app-review-spec process
[03:39] <willvdl> which is basically there to ensure that ogra and co have a shortlist of apps for main inclusion reviews etc.
[03:40] <willvdl> and that MOTUs have a goal
[03:40] <willvdl>  /nutshell
[03:40] <willvdl> please help out with this one, is a biggy and confusing :)
[03:40] <Burgundavia> will and I also spoke about the scope and how it might shake out
[03:40] <Burgundavia> me?
[03:41] <Burgundavia> I am in the middle of siesta
[03:41] <ogra> no reason
[03:42] <willvdl> it was also born out of the need to publish a list of supported apps in edubuntu
[03:42] <RichEd> not just to show what is supported, but also for promotion to back up our angle that edubuntu is so much more than a desktop
[03:44] <RichEd> at the moment we say "ships with many great education apps" ... which sounds like sales speak ... the reality is much more impressive and convincing ... so we should be able to show it off
[03:45] <RichEd> willvdl ogra mvo and I are working on this, with a lot of dynamic tension between us to get to a consensus solution ... we'll show you more next week
[03:46] <RichEd> -- Community --
[03:46] <RichEd> Jono Bacon and I are working on creating an education community focus within the overall Ubuntu community
[03:47] <RichEd> Jono will use his loco structure to manage from the top down ... each loco will be asked to elect an education representative
[03:47] <RichEd> We'll promote through our end users and schools, and them to work from the ground up.
[03:48] <RichEd> The idea is to encourage SLUGS (Schools Linux User Groups) and get them on projects and talking to each other, and we'll try to get a university in each area to provide facilities for meetings / talks / training.
[03:49] <RichEd> We presented this at UES and lots of enthusiasm. We'll target say 4 countries to get it up and going, and build some easy to repeat recipes for events and projects.
[03:50] <RichEd> The idea will be to use this as a way of getting more interest in Edubuntu, and to provide a way to start to recruit enthsiastic resources, some of whom will grow into tech-community resources
[03:50] <RichEd> --- the idea has been around for a while, but now has focus and momentum ---
[03:50] <RichEd> Any comments ?
[03:50] <Burgundavia> what is the smallest piece we can get going in the imm. future?
[03:51] <willvdl> it's a good idea. I'm sorry I was in another session next door at the time
[03:51] <willvdl> smallest piece? electing representative. getting LoCo buyin
[03:51] <RichEd> Burgundavia: the school enthusiam with Guadelinex in Sevilla was very high ... they are very keen to share lessons
[03:52] <RichEd> We will use them as a test base ... as well as Georgia - a win for Kubuntu.
[03:52] <Burgundavia> loco buyin will happen with resources
[03:52] <willvdl> resources?
[03:52] <Burgundavia> shiny stuff to do things with
[03:52] <Burgundavia> websites, printed crap, etc.
[03:52] <RichEd> The Georgia schools (exUSSR) are actively doing their local language translation as a school lesson project ... with small competitions and prizes
[03:52] <willvdl> ah, resources
[03:53] <RichEd> So we want to make this into a repeatable recipe, and then try out in Spain.
[03:53] <RichEd> This looks like the first small project item we will tackle, as it has many pay-offs for all.
[03:54] <RichEd> It gets more local language translation accomplished, for use by all (not just schools)
[03:54] <RichEd> It illustrates to the govts that open source is more than a desktop shoot-out ... that kids can leanr and contrinute to the country
[03:54] <RichEd> *learn
[03:54] <RichEd> *contribute
[03:55] <RichEd> So that is a small step we will tackle soon.
[03:56] <RichEd> (like in the next 2/3 weeks)
[03:56] <RichEd> Rather than speculate about what can be done, let's get the practical start in place and expand.
[03:56] <RichEd> ---
[03:57] <willvdl> we should introduce them to translate.org/wordforge folks
[03:57] <RichEd> willvdl: indeed ... get a real project up and running, and then spread for cooperation ... vertically or horixontally
[03:57] <RichEd> Well that is all from me unless there are questions or other issues ?
[03:58] <RichEd> ogra: you got anything else ?
[03:59] <jsgotangco> thats interesting
[03:59] <RichEd> edubuntu meeting close : going once ...
[03:59] <willvdl> I'm all good
[03:59] <RichEd> edubuntu meeting close : going twice ...
[03:59] <RichEd> Gonggggg ... thanks all ...
[03:59] <willvdl> nggggg
[03:59] <willvdl> nggg
[04:00] <willvdl> ciao all, minutes are up
[04:01] <ogra> RichEd, nope
[04:01] <RichEd> thanks ... wrapped for today
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks RichEd , thanks all.
[04:02] <jsgotangco> that's pretty fast
[04:03] <RichEd> jsgotangco: time is up ... you got more you want to discuss ? can we move to #edubuntu ?
[04:03] <jsgotangco> sure