micahcowanWhy can't an SRU be a backport?12:18
ajmitchit can, but generally it shouldn't be12:18
nixternalparan: --preserve-buildplace12:18
ajmitchjust dumping in a new upstream version isn't the best way to fix a bug12:19
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crimsunmicahcowan: in the strict sense, an SRU is just a fix for a regression.  It /can/ be backported from a newer version; they're not mutually exclusive generally.12:19
plugwashi dunno about ubuntu but with debian the general priciple of updates to stable releases is change the minimum nessacery thereby keeping the risk of regressions to a minimum12:20
crimsunmicahcowan: we use SRU very specifically to mean an existing fix that is easily verified, tested, and has no regressions.12:20
plugwashs/no regressions/no known regressions/12:21
micahcowanSo, the rough critereon would be, if the new, existing package version is little more than a fix to that (and maybe other) regression/vulnerability, it could probably serve as an SRU; otherwise it should come in the form of a patch to the current (for that release) package?12:22
crimsunno, SRUs are _always_ patches.12:22
crimsunthe only exceptions are things in main like gnome.12:22
micahcowanso, when you said backport just now, you meant of that particular piece of code, and not of the package.12:23
crimsunthat is correct.12:23
crimsunremember that it's not restricted to backporting; it can entail forwardporting, too.12:23
micahcowanGotcha. Okay, well I expect I will probably find the relevant code for this fix in either or both of its predecessor or successor. :)12:24
micahcowanThanks very much for the help, crimsun and ajmitch.12:24
micahcowanEdgy support is until 2007 Oct, yes?12:29
micahcowanAh, until 2008. I see it.12:29
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parannixternal: that cleans up on failure and successful builds according to the man page12:31
ajmitchHobbsee: morning! :)12:34
ajmitchHobbsee: had a good sleep?12:35
Hobbseeajmitch: didnt sleep12:35
Hobbseeall these assignments - eek.12:35
ajmitchit's your own fault12:35
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ajmitchyou should really get back to your usual timezone so that you can at least start working on them12:35
Hobbseephysics due last week, elec due tomorrow, maths today, maths test sometime, 2 pracs...12:36
Hobbseethere's probably more12:37
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ajmitchUDS was far more fun than assignments, right?12:37
Hobbseei was very tempted not to come back to uni...12:38
ajmitchand do what?12:38
crimsunpoke people with sticks.  smuggle cigarettes.  anything but uni.12:38
=== ajmitch was tempted to not go back to work
ajmitchexcept I sort of need to have money to live12:39
crimsunthat's why I don't go to UDSes.  Once you see the greener grass, it all goes to shite.12:39
ajmitchsurely the grass is green where you work12:40
Hobbseecrimsun: how'd you know about the cig smuggling?12:40
crimsunmaybe.  I'm in a dank basement with no windows.12:40
crimsunHobbsee: I read scrollback.12:40
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Hobbseealthough maybe i did12:40
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ajmitchHobbsee: your partner in crime did12:41
Hobbseethat was a shame,yes.12:42
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Hobbseeand it apperas they're talking about exams already, and i cant just bullshit electronics again, by answering only half the paper12:43
Hobbsee(like usual, for our electronics papers, which only require half the questions to be answered)12:43
ajmitchyou actually have to do work?12:43
Hobbseei actually have to know all of it, yes.12:44
Hobbseeooh, and a lab report.  for a lab i havent done.  *EXCELLENT*.12:44
Hobbseeand MQ is broken again, so i cant access it.12:45
ajmitcheven worse, you'll have to actually *attend* university12:45
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Hobbseeseeing as the first and third have botched their webpages, which the comp department is also reponsible for.12:47
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bmmbddebian: thanks for the review!01:07
bmmoh, nobody online under that name... well still.01:08
bmmWhen there is a "questionable" copyright problem, how can that be solved? Are there lawyers online?01:08
jmgdoes canonical not have a general counsel for these matters?01:09
jmgperhaps you could write to the eff?01:09
bmmhope it doesn't need a whole counsel01:09
bmmthat will take allot of time, and it's really a simple package appart from one of the licenses not being a FSF approved license :-S01:10
jmgbmm: debian-legal is a good place to take it, though they tend to err on the side of caution01:11
jmgwhats the package/license?01:11
bmmHope that doesn't kill my  package :-S http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=512501:11
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bmmjmg: ow, wait the license is online here: http://userpages.umbc.edu/~mabzug1/cs/md5/md5.html01:12
bmmbottom of the page01:12
jmgbmm: how is this different to md5sum?01:14
bmmjmg: ooh, good point, I'll see if I can find another accepted package with the same license. But the implementation is equal.01:14
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jmgabsolutely no discussion on debian-legal01:19
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dakirahi! can I ask packaging related questions here, or is this channel for motus only?01:20
bmmjust ask01:21
micahcowandakira, I'd venture a guess that there are many more "motu hopefuls" than motus here :)01:23
dakirathx ;) i'm building several packages interdependend on each other.. I use pbuilder.. so the first one is a library.. the second one a daemon depending on it.. of course pbuilder can't download the dependency (after adding it to the contro file) because it is not in the repos01:23
dakirahow would I go about this? any hints to documentation?01:23
dakirai am building the cdemu experimental, btw01:26
=== LongPointyStick ARGH.
micahcowanHi Hobbsee01:27
LongPointyStickthere's too much work to do...01:28
pochuLOL @ bug 11484201:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 114842 in Ubuntu "" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11484201:28
LongPointyStickand there was no point in coming in thsi morning.01:28
bmmdakira: I don't know the awnser to it, but http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/pbuilder_backports/pbuilderbuild.html may hold the awnser.01:28
micahcowanI haven't played around with such a situation, dakira... I'm kind of hoping someone will answer you. A couple things that spring to mind would be to install both packages with the same dpkg -i command, while doing a "pbuilder execute". You'll need a clever way to get the packages into your "execute" shell.01:29
bmmdakira: in the meantime, keep monitoring this channel. There may jus be smart poeple out there ;-)01:29
micahcowandakira, if you don't get an answer, it might be worth joining and posting to the ubuntu-motu mailing list. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu01:30
dakirabmm: you link is just about general usage.. i know everything about that ;) but thanks anyway!01:30
dakiramicahcowan: i thought about something like this.. seems kind of dirty.. i thought there might be a general way to go about it01:30
=== ajmitch just has a hook to do it with pbuilder
bmmdakira: thought the "Feeding your build environment" things might help you enxtend it with your local package list :-D01:31
ajmitchspecifically running dpkg-scanpackage beforehand, and apt-get update within pbuilder01:31
dakirabmm: ahh... okay.. that might be it!01:32
bmmdakira: ajmitch seems to know how to do it ;)01:32
dakiraajmitch: do i assume correctly that you don't build automatically with pbuilder in such a case, but login to it and do everything manually?01:34
ajmitchdakira: no01:34
ajmitchI just use pbuilder as normal01:34
dakiraajmitch: yeah.. I just read the link bmm gave me, which describes exactly what you were saying.. so thank you.. that solves my problem!01:36
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dakiraajmitch: pbuilder is really a mighty thing.. i'm liking it more and more01:38
ajmitchusing ccache with it can help a lot with repeated builds01:39
minghuapochu: I translated bug 11484201:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 114842 in Ubuntu "Problems about the panel" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11484201:39
=== minghua wonders if launchpad has interfaces other than English
=== plugwash isn't entirely sure there is much point in making your bugtracker multilingual
plugwashin fact it could well be counterproductive01:41
dakirabtw, is there a way to submit a bug I have with launchpad itself?01:41
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bmmdakira: I've done that one, you can just post it in launchpad. I posted a bug about not being able to remove my account. Actually the first bug I ever posted :-)01:43
pochuminghua: you rock :)01:43
bmm(in lunchpad)01:43
crimsundakira: file it against launchpad01:43
minghuaplugwash: I agree.  I was just wondering how the user reported a bug in Chinese01:44
leonelScottK: in the source  Edgy's  squirrelmail  has been patched  now  to build and  test ...01:44
minghuaif you see an English-only interface, you should realize that you'd better speak English as well01:44
ScottKleonel: Great01:45
minghualeonel: still working on the squirrelmail patches?01:45
dakirabmm, crimsun: okay.. i'll do that.. they recently messed with the CSS so that the "portlets" get all messed up in my browser01:45
ajmitchdakira: opera?01:46
minghualeonel: I see that Debian had a security update for squirrelmail in sarge (1.4.4 I think?)01:46
dakiraajmitch: exactly ;)01:46
minghualeonel: so if you haven't already known that, it may be useful for you01:46
ajmitchdakira: already fixed, will be rolled out in a couple of days01:46
ajmitch(according to reports earlier)01:46
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dakiraajmitch: nice.. thx for the information.. this was really annoying01:47
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leonelminghua: yes   edgy and dapper  didn't had any applied   and   since are  older versions the  patches need to get  "by hand"02:06
leonelminghua: debian has  squirrelmail 1.4.4  and  edgy has  1.4.8  and  dapper  1.4.602:10
minghualeonel: oh.  sorry to hear about that.  no shorcut for us, then. :-(02:10
leonelminghua:  no  02:10
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superm1Hey any motu's around feeling up for a revu?04:01
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FezzlerAppropriate to ask Samba Q?04:14
ScottKFezzler: Samba packaging or samba using question?04:15
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FezzlerUsing/Setting up basics...not step-by-step...big picture04:16
ScottKFezzler: I'd suggest #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server04:17
FezzlerSorry, I'm new to irc (but grateful for it!)04:17
ScottKNot a problem.04:17
FezzlerThanks for your kindness.04:17
ScottKNot very many people around here right now to ask anyway.04:17
ScottKYou're welcome.04:17
ajmitch-server is probably a bit quiet too04:17
FezzlerIs there a "Directory of ircs"04:17
=== ScottK is sure there is, but doesn't know where to point you.
FezzlerI assume there are "channels" of sorts?04:18
Fezzlerthat's it, thanks04:18
ScottKFezzler: Yes and channels have topics you can read so you can find out if you are in the right channel.04:18
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ScottKIf you don't get it when you connect, you can type /topic and get it repeated for you.04:18
FezzlerThanks again Scott04:19
ScottKYou're welcome.04:19
LaserJockScottK: send in an app yet?04:19
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ScottKLaserJock: It's written.  I probably over asked for sponsors, but I'm giving people a day to respond to my request before I hit send.04:19
=== ScottK would like all the help he can get.
ajmitchyou seem worried04:20
=== ScottK has an irrationally great fear of rejection. I'm always over-prepared and fearful for this kind of thing. My own little special psychosis.
ajmitchLaserJock: and you, core-dev?04:21
ajmitchLaserJock: the process has changed for core-dev now, fyi :)04:22
ajmitchI expect you'll be applying one day soon04:22
LaserJockwell, I tried at UDS04:22
=== ajmitch heard rumours of such a thing
ajmitchbut the new procedure is for the MC to collect testimonials & give a recommendation04:24
LaserJockso I found out ;-)04:24
ajmitch(at least it's a proposed procedure)04:24
LaserJockdholbach was unaware of the procedure change04:24
ajmitchso you've got more people to bribe04:24
ajmitchdholbach sent out the mail about it on the 8th04:24
LaserJockI even updated my wiki page in preperation04:24
ajmitchso I presume he found out about it at UDS04:24
LaserJockoli asked mdz about it04:25
LaserJockand mdz said I needed MC to recommend04:25
LaserJockso I talked with dholbach04:25
LaserJockwho talked to mdz04:25
ajmitchwonderful communication04:25
LaserJockso I'm waiting until the process is nailed down04:26
LaserJockwhich I was hoping would be quick04:26
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LaserJockbut it'll be a few months knowing how things have gone in the past ;-)04:27
=== ScottK often finds opportunity in chaos.
ajmitchLaserJock: maybe by the time a new TB has been voted in? :)04:27
ajmitchwhich was an urgent task at mt view04:27
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LaserJockoh heah, persia is a MOTU!04:28
LaserJockI really wish I had a better idea of if I would make core-dev04:28
LaserJockmy +packages page is not looking so good these days04:29
=== ScottK needs to finish the kitchen and get to bed, so good night everyone.
ajmitchbye ScottK 04:30
ajmitch"This will take place by November 21st, so that the new technical board may convene on that day."04:30
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ajmitchnov 21st, which year?04:30
LaserJockthe power of being vague ;-)04:31
leoneledgy's  squirrelmaill  debdiff ready to upload ...04:34
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=== LongPointyStick boo
LongPointyStickhehe :)04:39
ajmitchoh dear04:39
ajmitchrun away04:39
=== LongPointyStick spears LaserJock
=== LongPointyStick spears ajmitch for even thinking about running away.
LaserJockgeeze, somebody is a little grumpy from a long flight04:40
ajmitchlong flight & no sleep04:41
LongPointyStickLaserJock: assignments, actually.04:41
LongPointyStickthat too04:41
effie_jayxand jet lag04:43
LongPointyStickand really really hungry.04:44
LaserJockI'm still completely wiped out and a bit "confused" as to time, etc.04:44
=== ajmitch injects some caffeine into LongPointyStick
ajmitchLaserJock: really?04:44
=== LongPointyStick hits the walls..
ajmitchLaserJock: I feel just fine04:45
LaserJockI think if I would have just come home and stayed there I would have been a bit better off04:45
LaserJockthen yesterday I had 5 hrs straight of grading/proctoring starting at 9:00am04:46
LaserJocka little "welcome home" present ;-)04:47
LongPointyStickajmitch: lucky you.04:47
LongPointyStickLaserJock: ugh04:47
effie_jayxLongPointyStick,  this might help http://flickr.com/photos/gyrm/500234081/04:47
ajmitchLaserJock: I took 1 day off, and then was back at work at 8:30 this morning04:48
ajmitchmmm, pizza04:48
LaserJockis that broccoli?04:48
=== ajmitch did just have lunch with a few canonical people today
LaserJockI think I'd have to fly somewhere to get lunch with a Canonical person04:49
LaserJockI wonder who's closest to me04:49
LaserJockprobably keescook04:49
ajmitchhi chillywilly 04:49
LongPointyStickeffie_jayx: i probably shouldnt look04:49
effie_jayxLongPointyStick,  hehe...04:50
ajmitchclosest to me is about 10-15 min walk away04:50
ajmitchdunedin is a nice small city04:50
ajmitchLongPointyStick: not had breakfast either?04:50
=== LaserJock grabs LongPointyStick and stabs ajmitch
ajmitchLaserJock: but why?!04:50
Amaranthanyone wanna test my new crack?04:50
ajmitchAmaranth: no04:50
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Amaranthno one likes bling :/04:51
LaserJockI'm wary of Amaranth crack ;-p04:51
LaserJockis it compizy bling?04:51
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ajmitchAmaranth: I'm on an etch box that has some really crappy sis video chipset04:51
ajmitchso no bling for me04:51
Amaranthit's compiz-0.5.0+git2007051504:51
Amaranthfor gutsy04:51
LaserJockyeah, the only machine I can get to use compiz is my server04:52
Amarantherr, 1404:52
LaserJockgo figure04:52
FujitsuAmaranth: Why so old?04:52
FujitsuYou can't have out of date cutting-edge blink.04:53
LaserJockI'm just trying mundane things like figuring out what the heck this C++ line does:04:53
LaserJockgcpReactionsPlugin::gcpReactionsPlugin (): gcp::Plugin ()04:53
Amaranththe only update worth snagging from the 15th is a check for xsltproc04:53
LaserJockhmm, I forgot about my blogs while at UES/UDS04:56
LaserJockI suppose I need to do a Behind MOTU04:56
ajmitchLaserJock: yep04:57
ajmitchwho's the lucky victim this time?04:57
LaserJocka shiny new MOTU might make an enticing victim04:59
ajmitchthat definitely rules me out ;)04:59
StevenKAnd me, I might add.04:59
LaserJockhmm, StevenK would be a good one04:59
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StevenKCan I refuse? :-P05:00
LaserJockI guess I must be an old timer now. I got an LP team timeout notice today ;-)05:00
LaserJockStevenK: nope05:00
ajmitchLaserJock: oh really?05:00
LaserJockfor edubuntu-bugsquad05:01
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LaserJockit must have been a 1 year term05:01
StevenKLaserJock: If you want to, make me a victim.05:02
=== ajmitch must be expiring from a few teams soon
ajmitchlike motu05:02
superm1with all these motu's here in the room at once - someone want to offer a few moments for a revu?05:03
LaserJock* MOTUs scatter *05:03
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StevenKsuperm1: We're here to socalise, not do work!05:04
LaserJocksuperm1: what's the revu URL?05:04
StevenKCome on LP, tell me when my memberships expire.05:04
crimsunLaserJock: persia was approved yesterday.  He'd make a fine victim^Wcandidate.05:06
StevenKOh, I have an idea.05:07
StevenKWhy doesn't Behind MOTU interview LaserJock.05:07
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LaserJockuhhh, no05:07
=== StevenK smirks.
LaserJocknot yet at least ;-)05:07
LaserJockI might put something up eventually05:07
StevenKLaserJock: Ahh, this is your plan. You want to drive the spotlight and not be in it.05:08
LaserJockeven though it'd feel weird interviewing myself05:08
crimsunthankfully I won't be interviewable, as I expire from MOTU & ubuntu-dev shortly.  =)05:08
StevenKLaserJock: Get him!05:08
StevenKcrimsun: Now you've done it. Draw attention to yourself and LaserJock's "lasers" will find you.05:08
LaserJockso now I have 3 handy victims05:09
crimsuneasily deflected by ALSA bugs.05:09
StevenKLaserJock: So you're into foursomes?05:09
ajmitchLaserJock: 3?05:09
StevenKEw, I think I just grossed myself out.05:09
LaserJockpersia, StevenK, and crimsun 05:09
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ajmitchStevenK: please go & sit in the corner for a few weeks05:10
StevenKajmitch: What do you think I did while you were off enjoying UDS?05:10
ajmitchhey now, uds was hard work05:11
StevenKI'm suspecting not as hard or demanding as $DAY_JOB, though.05:11
StevenKI should shut up. The headache I'm developing is getting worse.05:12
LaserJockI find UDSs much more demanding than $DAY_JOB05:14
LaserJockbut my day job is fairly undemanding for the most part05:15
StevenKIt depends on how demanding $DAY_JOB is.05:15
StevenKFor the most part, I have a large list of things to do, and for the last few weeks I've felt like it isn't getting any better.05:16
FujitsuWow, Microsoft has some really nice patents. I just found the one covering Microsoft BOB.05:17
StevenKFujitsu: Does it mention that the user interface can be used to scare small children?05:17
FujitsuStevenK: Unfortunately not.05:17
FujitsuOh my, they have patents over computers controlling cars.05:20
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LaserJockno wonder my car doesn't work sometimes05:21
LaserJockit's XP crashing ;-)05:21
StevenKI do wonder if the Microsoft BOB patent is being waved against us.05:21
=== Fujitsu warns Beryl about the cursor-locating thing.
FujitsuStevenK: It probably is.05:21
StevenKWhat the hell for? :-P05:21
FujitsuHow can such trivial things as pressing the Ctrl key to indicate where the cursor is be patentable?05:22
Lathiatit sounds dumb05:22
Lathiatbut you'd be surprised how much bullshit gets patented05:22
StevenKNo we wouldn't.05:22
Lathiatsuch stupidly simple basic concepts05:22
Lathiati.e. amazons "one click shopping"05:22
Lathiatoh noes we reduced shopping to one click to order and post it05:23
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FujitsuOh, sorry, this patent only covers drawing concentric geometric shapes around the cursor, not water ripples.05:23
=== Lathiat laughs
ajmitchFujitsu: beryl needs a burning cursor05:23
StevenKNow that'd be cool.05:24
Lathiatajmitch: and if you move the cursor over a window05:24
Fujitsuajmitch: Concentric circles of fire, even better.05:24
Lathiatit closes it in flames05:24
FujitsuLathiat: Hahah.05:24
=== Lathiat files a patent
StevenKNo no, if you leave the cursor over a window for too long it bursts into flames.05:24
Lathiatfor extra fun05:24
Lathiatdo it to the root window05:24
Lathiatand have it log you out05:24
StevenKNautilus might have something to say about that.05:25
Lathiathrm i keep getting that stupid "which md arrays do you need to boot" question on feisty upgrades05:25
StevenKGiven it seems to be do nefarious things to get a desktop background and it isn't the root window.05:25
Lathiatnautilus doesn't paint on the root window?05:26
StevenKI thought it had its own?05:26
Lathiati noticed somethign weird once05:26
Lathiati managed to get nautilus's root window05:26
Lathiatinto its own floating window05:26
StevenKFor example, xsetroot doesn't work with KDE or Nautilus.05:27
keescookLaserJock: ya know, I that you were at UDS, but I totally failed to find you and introduce myself.  I managed to put a face to a name for almost everyone else.  /me is ashamed05:27
ajmitchStevenK: xplanet breaks too05:27
ajmitchkeescook: he ran away early05:27
StevenKajmitch: Sounds about right.05:27
keescookajmitch: ah, did he?05:28
ScottKkeescook: Did you see that leonel uploaded the Edgy debdiff for squirrelmail.05:28
ajmitchkeescook: I vaguely recall meeting you there :)05:28
keescookScottK: yeah, just saw the email.  I'll get it spun up.05:28
ScottKOK.  Great.05:28
LaserJockkeescook: I did see you, but I was too busy to introduce myself05:28
keescookajmitch: hehe.  btw, have you got those selinux bits?05:28
ajmitchkeescook: yeah, on the laptop05:28
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ajmitchbut I'm at work, and the laptop isn't :)05:29
ScottKkeescook: There is a new clamav merge to do.  Don't worry about it, I've started on it.05:29
keescookajmitch: hehe.  I understand -- I have notes on mine I still need to pull05:29
StevenKajmitch: What are you doing working without your laptop?05:29
keescookScottK: very cool; yeah, please take it.  :)05:29
ajmitchStevenK: using a debian box at work instead?05:29
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ajmitchkeescook: I'll look at samba in a couple of hours too05:30
keescookajmitch: awesome.  :)05:32
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StevenKOf the samba merge?05:33
ajmitchStevenK: partly05:33
ajmitchI've done it in the past, but I need to get a good summary of what each patch we carry does05:34
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LaserJockdarn, I did have to pick a 0ubuntu1 package to try to merge05:51
=== Fujitsu watches apt{-get,itude} be taken out by a Microsoft patent.
FujitsuLaserJock: Is that a problem?05:51
ajmitchLaserJock: why is that a problem?05:51
LaserJockwell, I gotta figure out if there was anything Ubuntu-specific about the package05:53
keescookhm, where's the gpg key for keyring@tiber.tauware.de ?  doing a key search doesn't find it.05:54
Fujitsuinterdiffing of the .diff.gzs is your friend.05:54
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ajmitchkeescook: I don't think there is one05:54
ajmitchkeescook: is it needed?05:54
keescook"Please send a signed and encrypted mail with your password and GnuPG keyid to [MAILTO]  keyring@tiber.tauware.de. We will mark you as Reviewer in the database."05:54
ajmitchkeescook: interesting, where did you see that?05:55
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keescookI can't send it encrypted without that...  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU05:55
FujitsuI thought it was more like `talk to a REVU admin'05:55
keescookoptionally, can someone set me as a reviewer?  :)05:55
ajmitchkeescook: depends on whether we can agree on a price05:55
LaserJockwhatever ajmitch's price I'll got $10 less ;-)05:56
StevenKThen that case, ajmitch say $9.05:56
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keescookSweet, I'll kick back 50% of the $1 profit to StevenK05:57
StevenKNice. :-)05:57
StevenKActually 50 euro cents probably won't even cover postage here. :-P05:57
keescookack, gotta sleep.  ttyl05:58
FujitsuBye, keescook.05:59
ScottKFujitsu: This is going to rebound on them.05:59
ScottKThe patent thing.05:59
FujitsuScottK: It had better.05:59
FujitsuBut the FUD is likely to cause a lot of image damage to F/LOSS05:59
ScottKWell I'd been working (in another Open Source project with a guy at MS on trying to get some common definitions on related stuff between our project and theirs.06:00
ajmitchkeescook: I was about to ask, do you have a revu account already?06:00
ajmitchah, found it06:00
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ScottKWe'll go our way and stuff them (was more polite in the email).06:00
FujitsuRemember that Linux doesn't exist in 2007.06:00
ajmitchkeescook: done06:01
StevenKScottK: You shouldn't blame the guy just because of his choice of employer, surely?06:01
StevenKOr is it a Microsoft project?06:01
ScottKStevenK: I was polite, I just said that there was no will in the community to work with MS anymore.06:01
ScottKIt's a MS project06:01
StevenKAh, okay.06:01
FujitsuAh, that's understandable then.06:01
StevenKIn that case, I agree with you.06:01
ScottKThere is some overlap between what they want to do and what we are doing.06:02
FujitsuWhich project, may I ask?06:02
ScottKFujitsu: PM?06:02
FujitsuScottK: Sure.06:02
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LaserJockhmmm, how interesting06:06
LaserJockchecking for python module gtk... X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.06:06
LaserJockwow, how is it possible that we have so few Universe merges to do?06:12
StevenKBecause we're so talented and good looking.06:12
FujitsuLaserJock: We had about 340 to start with.06:12
LaserJockthere are quite a few more Main merges than Universe06:13
ajmitchbecause most people that work on main were at UDS06:14
ajmitchand changes to packages to main are often more involved06:14
=== StevenK ought to find a few more main merges to do.
=== ajmitch has a few to do
StevenKI had one that was mine, and I did it.06:16
LaserJockI'm trying to do one now06:16
LaserJockbut neither the feisty or unstable sources build in my pbuilder06:16
StevenKI'm pondering hitting up doko or mvo.06:16
superm1LaserJock, did you get around to looking at that revu (or just its on the todo)?06:24
LaserJockwell, I was just trying to build it06:28
superm1ah okay06:28
crimsunspeaking of which, superm1 seems like a good candidate, as he has done work with mythtv.06:28
crimsunsuperm1: we're going to torture you with feathers.06:29
superm1oh no, i'm going onto LaserJock's blog arent i.....06:29
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superm1LaserJock, is there a standard questionaire to fill out, or a full out interview you do?06:33
tonyyarussoWhy is the dev I'm trying to work with MIA all the time...06:33
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LaserJocktonyyarusso: time zones?06:34
LaserJocksuperm1: I make it up as I go ;-)06:34
tonyyarussoLaserJock: nah, e-mail doesn't work either06:34
LaserJocksuperm1: left a comment for you06:34
superm1Thx LaserJock 06:34
LaserJocksuperm1: it looks quite good packaging-wise06:34
superm1i did clean up the license though - 06:34
superm1and took out the update-alternatives that was unnecessary06:35
LaserJockyou sure you uploaded that?06:35
LaserJockdoh, I see it now06:35
superm1were you looking at an older upload?06:36
LaserJockbut you still have 1 more update-alternatives --remove06:36
LaserJockI thought minghua's suggestion of doing a test for it first was good06:37
superm1that one should be there06:37
superm1the one that he was talking about removing was for an older named version06:38
superm1that wasnt in use06:38
LaserJockis anything in there CC?06:39
LaserJockwhy was CC license in debian/copyright06:39
superm1because the artwork was going to be CC06:40
superm1but the author agreed to just make it GPL for simplicities sake06:40
LaserJockk, left another comment ;-)06:40
superm1k thx06:41
superm1LaserJock, how long would this feather torture take?  I was going to go to bed in ~20-30 min06:42
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LaserJocksuperm1: I've got to go to bed to06:48
LaserJocksuperm1: I'll probably email you within a few days06:49
LaserJockI'm so busy playing catch-up at work06:49
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TheMusoHey all.07:24
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dholbachgood morning08:46
FujitsuHi dholbach.08:47
dholbachhey Fujitsu08:48
=== elkbuntu_ hugs dholbach
=== dholbach hugs elkbuntu back
elkbuntuhow are you dear?08:52
crimsunI'll be allowing my memberships to expire.08:52
dholbachcrimsun: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! pleeeeeeeease!08:53
dholbachcrimsun: when will that happen?08:53
dholbachelkbuntu: quite good - thank you.... how are you?08:53
elkbuntudholbach, tired still ;)08:53
FujitsuHi elkbuntu.08:54
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crimsundholbach: tomorrow.08:54
dholbachcrimsun: which membership is that?08:54
=== elkbuntu clutches to crimsun and whimpers
crimsunand motu, too, apparently.08:55
dholbachcrimsun: are you going to re-apply at some stage?08:55
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Fujitsudholbach: No, he's going to leave us to drown in ALSA.08:56
crimsundholbach: I'm not sure.  I'll continue to contribute through patches, but I need to step back drastically due to work and school.08:56
crimsunFujitsu: ALSA's just fine.  7.10 will have much improved support thanks to the legwork we've been putting in in #alsa.08:56
dholbachcrimsun: I hope all the best for you!08:56
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crimsunman, you guys and gals are rockin'.  Ubuntu is going to continue to rock, so don't worry.  Besides, you're gaining persia and Scot.tK shortly!09:01
dholbachheya ajmitch09:03
TheMusoHeya folks,.09:03
FujitsuHey TheMuso..09:03
ajmitchcrimsun: your ubuntu-dev/motu membership may expire, but that means nothing for your upload rights09:04
crimsunajmitch: moot issue, since I'll be feeding patches as I have time (which is the real killer for me)09:05
ajmitchyou have until 2008-06-0509:05
TheMusocrimsun: Sorry to see you go. You have been a great help to the Ubuntu develoment community.09:08
TheMusoMore to the point, a great assett.09:08
ajmitchcrimsun: we couldn't have got here without you09:08
crimsunTheMuso: I'm not disappearing, just abiding by the Code to state I'm not going to be able to lift for a while.09:08
elkbuntuwe all know he'll be back. they aaaalways come back ;)09:09
TheMusocrimsun: Ok, but even so.09:09
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Treenakshey Burgundavia 09:12
TreenaksBurgundavia: still in Seville?09:12
Burgundavianaw, Madrid09:12
siretartBurgundavia: how's madrid?09:13
Burgundaviacooler than Sevilla and cheaper09:13
ajmitchhi Burgundavia, siretart 09:14
BurgundaviaI see that gutsy changes is rocking again now that everybody is home09:14
siretarthi ajmitch & Treenaks 09:14
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Burgundaviahey ajmitch09:16
highvoltagehey ajmitch, Burgundavia and siretart09:17
ajmitchuh oh, it's highvoltage 09:17
=== highvoltage !!!!!
Burgundaviahey highvoltage09:18
=== siretart hugs highvoltage
BurgundaviaI need to move to this timezone09:20
Burgundaviaso much more stuff happens09:20
highvoltagesiretart: thanks, you can let go now :)09:21
highvoltageBurgundavia: heh, and here I thought that more stuff happens in the US timezone :)09:23
TreenaksBurgundavia: you.. hobbsee.. everyone wants to move to Europe ;)09:27
Burgundavianow I just need an interesting job09:27
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TreenaksBurgundavia: lots of those over here ;)09:28
highvoltageBurgundavia: an interesting job can be both a blessing and a curse09:28
Burgundaviaoh indeed09:28
Treenakshighvoltage: 'May you live in interesting times' :)_09:29
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Burgundaviamay you work for an interesting company09:29
highvoltageTreenaks: yes :)09:29
imbrandonmoins all09:32
ajmitchhi imbrandon 09:34
imbrandonheya ajmitch 09:35
Treenaksajmitch: no, you're ajmitch :)09:35
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ajmitchimbrandon: really?09:36
imbrandoncrimsun, good luck and hopefully your heiatus(sp?) is toooo long :)09:36
imbrandonajmitch, hehehe09:36
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ranfAre there any simple jobs to do? For a starter like me. 10:10
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crimsunranf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO , see the bitesize ones10:11
ranfcrimsun, I'll go looking...10:12
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ranfbug #113368 I can confirm. The debian version has this bug too. Should I file this bug in Debian BTS?11:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113368 in proftpd-dfsg "Proftpd 1.3.0 (Ubuntu 7.0.4) Standard Config File wrong (Typo) at section "RequireValidShells"" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11336811:11
ranfI've already made a dpatch for it.11:12
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imbrandonranf, sure11:16
ranfimbrandon, k on my way.11:18
wolfeonI've been telling myself I'd file the python-fam bug all this week :/11:21
wolfeonI've been wanting to make a patch/package for updating... :(11:21
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proppyhow dy ? :)11:23
dholbachquite good - how are you?11:24
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proppydholbach: nice, (installing poker server for peoples)11:30
proppyi looked forward automation of apt,11:34
proppycause debootstrap can't resolve dependency when asked to install additional package11:35
proppythere is some interactive stuff i can't skip (even with DEB_FRONTEND=noninteractive)11:35
proppymaybe i should give python-apt a try11:36
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proppyi believe that's what apport-retrace use for creating chroot ?11:37
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siretartdholbach: I just wanted to tell you that I've starting mentoring a hopeful using bzr branches on launchpad. works great so far12:19
dholbachsiretart: woah - that's great news12:25
dholbachsiretart: I'm going to write up a proposal for the mentoring process later and ask for comments on the list12:25
slomobluekuja: the farsight plugins are just broken, don't worry about them anymore :)12:30
bluekujaslomo: ok great :)12:31
slomobluekuja: not great... annoying :)12:34
bluekujaslomo :D12:35
bluekujaslomo: tell me when it will be fixed12:35
slomobluekuja: when we have gstreamer/gst-plugins-base 0.10.13 and there is a new gst-plugins-farsight release :)12:36
bluekujaslomo: ok then :)12:36
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imbrandongawd i love google12:43
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togrI reported bug  #113803 on launchpad12:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113803 in python-scientific "Python-netcdf crashes in Feisty" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380312:47
togrand I was going to test the fix12:47
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togrtips/howto on building packages from deb-src + patches?12:51
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togrtips/howto on building packages from deb-src + patches?01:16
Lutintogr: ?01:18
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togrLutin, I reported bug  #113803 on launchpad01:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113803 in python-scientific "Python-netcdf crashes in Feisty" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380301:27
togrand I was going to test the fix01:27
togrnow I'm looking for tips/howto on building packages from deb-src + patches?01:28
ranftogr, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics 01:35
togrthanks, looks like just what I was looking for01:39
medoc92Hello. I have submitted a package for recoll http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4933 . It's been sitting there so long that someone later/recently submitted a debian package now in unstable http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/recoll.html . Does this means that the one on revu should now be updated and based on the debian one ? 01:40
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StevenKmedoc92: Yup.01:40
pochuor simply request a sync :)01:42
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medoc92pochu: what is "request a sync" ? What of the revu entry then ?01:45
pochumedoc92: since the package is already in Debian, we can import it. That's a sync from Debian01:45
pochumedoc92: you can still take care of that package (bug reports, packaging issues, report bugs to debian and upstream...)01:46
medoc92pochu: Ok, I "request a sync" then. Is this enough ? :) I guess that the entry on revu needs to be nuked too.01:48
pochumedoc92: I don't know whether the revu entry should be removed01:49
pochumedoc92: maybe a revu admin knows it :)01:49
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pochumedoc92: oh, and it's enough, yes ;)01:50
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medoc92pochu: thanks01:51
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pochumedoc92: you're welcome01:52
ScottKtogr: Did you find what you need?02:01
ScottKwolfeon: Did you file your python-fam bug?02:01
ScottKGood morning all.02:02
togrScottK, I think so yes02:02
ScottKtogr: OK.  Let us know.  Now that there is a fix in Gutsy, there may be a move to give Feisty an update since the bug causes a crash.  That'll need testing too.02:03
togrI can test the fix without adding packages for Gutsy, right?02:04
ScottKDownload the source package from Gutsy, and then compile and install it locally.02:05
ScottKWithin the Debian package management system that isn't actually very hard.02:05
togrso I do as in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics, replacing edgy with gutsy_02:06
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ScottKThere's a shortcut you can take.02:08
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ScottKtogr: Download the script at http://revu.tauware.de/~laserjock/pbuilder-feisty and after installing the pbuilder pacakge run it as sh /path to script/pbuilder-feisty create02:09
ScottKThen run it as sh /path to script/pbuilder build packagename-version.dsc02:10
ScottKYou'll also need to get the updated source.02:10
togrrun it as pbuilder-feisty or pbuilder-gutsy?02:10
togr(maybe I should just try it)02:11
ScottKYou want to build the package to run on Feisty, right?02:11
davromaniakhi here02:11
davromaniakanybody knows how to add backports repo in a pbuilder ???02:11
ScottKYou can get the source using dget =x http://librarian.launchpad.net/7655629/python-scientific_2.4.11-1ubuntu1.dsc02:11
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ScottKdavromaniak: Generically you open up a pbuilder session, edit the pbuilder namespace's sources.list and then exit saving changes.  I don't have the exact procedure.02:14
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togrhmm, setting up pbuilder is not trivial I see02:15
davromaniakI'm gonna try to customize my .pbuilderrc with OTHERMIRROR02:15
FujitsuIt's pretty close to trivial.02:16
togreasy to do -- but involves getting lots of packages anew02:16
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ScottKtogr: There's a lot of stuff that happens, but fortunately you don't have to to much of it.02:17
togrScottK, exactly.  "trivial" can mean different things02:17
togrhope I have the disk space for this02:17
ScottKBTW, togr, welcome.  I'm glad my comment on the bug was sufficient to get you here.02:18
joejaxxGood Morning MOTU02:18
ScottKGood morning joejaxx02:19
joejaxxScottK: hello :)02:19
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togrScottK, for 'sh pbuilder build pname-version.dsc', is it important what name the pbuilder script has?02:30
togre.g. should it still be named 'pbuilder-feisty'?02:30
ScottKYou can copy the same script and use if for multiple releases by changing it's name.02:31
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ScottKNote that there's a slightly modified script in the same location for the Debian pbuilders.02:31
ScottKIt points at their repos and not Ubuntu's.02:31
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togrso building occurs in a separate environment02:32
togrwhich has to contain all packages relevant to the current build02:32
togrI guess next pbuild will see a more complete environment...02:33
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ScottKYes.  When you pbuild you know you are always building in a clean environment.02:35
togrneat -- and I see how that could be useful02:36
togralthough being a bit pressed for disk space ...02:36
StevenKScottK: I have a pdebuild-multi script and symlink to it.02:37
ScottKYou also know that only the packages that you can safely assume to be present or that are called out as a build dependency will be available, so it's a good way to make sure your build-depends are correct.02:37
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tograh -- that's neat02:38
ScottKStevenK: Did you add it to the dev tools project?02:38
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StevenKScottK: No, should I have? :-)02:38
ScottKIf it'd be useful for other's, I'd think so.02:38
ScottKTheMuso, iirc, added laserjock's pbuilder scripts to it.02:39
TheMusoScottK: What script you thinking of adding02:39
StevenKI wrote pdebuild-multi, pl-multi and pbuilder-upgrade because I know exactly what they do.02:40
ScottKTheMuso: StevenK said he had a pdebuild-multi script02:40
TheMusoScottK: Ah ok.02:40
togrScottK, you mentioned 'dget' above02:40
StevenKBesides, pl-gutsy is less typing than pbuilder-gutsy login02:40
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togrI don't seem to have it02:41
togrwhat does it do?02:41
StevenKtogr: Install 'devscripts'02:41
StevenKtogr: It downloads a source package for you, given the URL to the .dsc02:41
ScottKtogr: What he said.02:42
ScottKtogr: dget -x will unpack the source tarball and apply the debian diff so you have a complete source package ready to update, build, etc.02:43
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togrexcellent.  So '=x' above should be '-x'?02:43
ScottKYes.  Dunno how I typed that before.02:44
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togrhttp://librarian.launchpad.net/7655629/python-scientific_2.4.11.orig.tar.gz -> 404 Not Found02:46
StevenKNo, it won't work for librarian links.02:46
StevenKThe librarian is ... special02:47
togrnow, I have the file python-scientific_2.4.11-1ubuntu1.dsc02:47
togrbut it does not list the source or patch files02:48
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StevenKIt, uh, ought to.02:48
togrSource: python-scientific02:48
ScottKtogr: My bad I guess.  I didn't know about the specialness of librarian files02:48
StevenKIt isn't that, it's that the URL for every file is different which defeats how dgets downloads them.02:49
togrforget the last02:49
togrwas thrown off track by the MD5 signatures02:49
togrso a regular apt-get then?02:49
togrfor the source, I mean02:50
ScottKtogr: Plan B: Go here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-scientific/2.4.11-1ubuntu1 and get the orig.tar.gz and diff.gz files02:50
ScottKtogr: Then use dpkg-source -x packagname-version.dsc to extract the source package.02:50
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ScottKtogr: Or you could change you deb-src line for universe to gutsy, apt-get update, and then apt-get source if you want.02:51
ScottKThat'll work too.02:51
togrmaybe not today02:51
togrI feel I'm changing enough things right now02:51
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togrbut here everything is slightly different ;-)02:53
StevenKI'm lucky enough to never have learnt that particular skill.02:53
togrdo I need to do dpkg-source -x or will that happen in the build root as part of pbuilder?02:54
ScottKDunno, never tried it.02:55
ScottKThat is never tried to pbuild unextracted source package.02:55
togrok, it is building02:56
StevenKtogr: You can either unpack it and run pdebuild, or not and run pbuilder-<> build <.dsc file>02:56
togrok -- used the latter now02:57
togrnow where did the resulting packages end up?02:59
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StevenKtogr: /var/cache/pbuilder/result , probably03:00
ranf~/pbuilder with laserjocks script03:00
togryes, ~/pbuilder it is03:01
togrok, final step is to install the new python-scientific packages instead of the previous ones03:02
togrthe previous ones were 2.4.11-1build103:03
togrthe ones just built are 2.4.11-1ubuntu103:04
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togrthanks all03:09
togrgotta run03:09
\shis anyone able to run an X client inside a newly created debootstrap via dchroot?03:09
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DarkSun88Hi all03:23
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pgquilesI am trying to package a library using debhelper but I am doing something is wrong. dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot installs files fine in debian/tmp/usr/lib and debian/tmp/usr/share, but then they are not copied to mylib/usr/lib, mylib/usr/share, mylib-dev/usr/lib and mylib-dev/usr/share. I am following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003. I do have debian/mylib.install and debian/mylib-dev.install03:24
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persia\sh: My dchroot works against schroot LVM snapshots, but dchroot -d -c gutsy 'sudo apt-get install spider; spider' worked fine.03:31
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Lutintogr--: why are you telling me this ?03:41
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=== ScottK just hit send on the message to MOTU council.
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ScottKOf course I thought about subscribing to the list AFTER I sent it, not before, so it needs releasing from the moderation queue....03:56
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superm1ScottK, does this mean you'll be able to do some revu's for me soon..... :P04:02
ScottKsuperm1: Only if I get accepted.04:02
superm1well best of luck to you, i'm fairly confident you of all applicants will be get accepted04:03
superm1from the work i've seen in the channel and such04:03
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pochugood luck ScottK04:04
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dholbachsiretart: ROCK!04:19
siretartdholbach: ah. I'm already mentoring xxxxx1, so my first slot is already taken ;)04:20
dholbachonce the front desk is up and running, they'll surely consider that :)04:20
asacdholbach: hope that we won't end up with a complete NM process at some point :-P04:20
siretartdholbach: do we already have ppl for frontdesk?04:20
siretartasac: no, I will personally make sure it won't04:21
dholbachsiretart: no, not yet - would you be interested in working on that team?04:21
siretartdholbach: I think I would do so, at least in the beginning04:22
dholbachsiretart: I think it'd be good to have people who know a bunch of *-dev members already04:22
dholbachsiretart: and it'd be good to have people do the front desk for a year04:22
dholbachasac: I prefer a light weight process for that04:23
dholbachsiretart: maybe we should add a "i'm interested in working on the front desk" section to that page04:23
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asaci like the idea to have a dedicated mentor, so we can better keep track of prospective motus progress04:24
siretarthm, I think the MOTU Council should just appoint two persons04:24
dholbachasac: definitively agreed04:24
siretartasac: that's the point of the FD. to have a single point where interested people can go to and dispatch them to hopefully well suited mentors04:25
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siretartasac: I hope we can establish good communication as soon as possible in the application process04:25
asachowever, will there be a time-constraint? otherwise i fear that you will end up with an ever increasing amount of students :)04:25
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siretartasac: every mentor has to say how many slots (== applicants) he is willing to take. if there are no free slots, we need to see what to do then04:26
asaci mean we need a mechanism that cleans up slots automatically :)04:26
siretartasac: as FD I'd ask existing mentors to recheck their applicants to see if we find a free slot somewhere04:26
StevenKThis smacks of Debian NM a little much for my liking.04:26
BurgundaviaI know, we can use LP!04:26
=== ScottK agrees with StevenK.
siretartStevenK: no, debian's NM process is a bunch of annoying queue where you wait for nothing to happen04:27
=== ScottK likes the current system.
asacas long as there are no rules of how to proceed its just a "mentoring" programm04:27
StevenKsiretart: Ooooh, bitter much?04:27
asacdholbach: maybe we should not use words already wasted in debian nm, like "frontdesk"04:27
=== ScottK is generally against process stuff anyway.
dholbachasac: if you have a better word, please change it in the proposal04:28
StevenKI agree with ScottK - I like the current system.04:28
StevenKPeople come here and beg and we help them.04:28
dholbachbut there are a lot of people who need the guidance of a dedicated mentor04:28
asacdholbach: reception :-P04:28
siretartStevenK: I went through the process there. I do know it ;)04:28
dholbachI got ~90 mentoring requests in the last year04:28
StevenKsiretart: So do I.04:29
dholbachmost of those were not comfortable joining #ubuntu-motu and fighting their way through documentation and long todo lists04:29
StevenKsiretart: And I've been a DD since mid 2001, and I know it used to be worse.04:29
dholbachScottK: I added a blurb saying that "jumping right in and helping out" is appreciated and absolutely OK04:29
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dholbachso this is not a mandatory process04:30
ScottKdholbach: OK.  I don't mind adding structure for people who need/want it.  Just want to avoid requiring it.04:30
siretartStevenK: I'm not very comfortable to give newcomers a huge lot of (excellent) documentation to read and expect them to immediately produce excellent packages04:30
dholbachScottK: agreed04:30
StevenKIs this going to augment things like MOTU School?04:30
StevenKOr replace?04:30
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siretartStevenK: I'd prefer to assign applicatants to a person who cares for them and reviews what he is doing. this way we get much better application reports for the MOTU Council as well04:31
dholbachasac: "reception" if fine with me04:31
siretartStevenK: I think this is going to assist MOTU School04:31
ScottKsiretart: What I've mostly been doing is walking people through the process one or two times on IRC for bug fixes and then they charge off on their own.04:31
StevenKsiretart: Oh, absolutely agreed. Debian packaging is subtle enough that it requires a bit of time.04:31
StevenKsiretart: Can I suggest the term 'saint' instead of 'mentor' Since they might require the patience of? :-P04:32
ScottKAll people need is enough to do a little bit on their own they they can generally bootstrap themselves after that with some guidance and feedback.04:32
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StevenKdholbach: Yup. I have a few bug reports of yours as evidence. :-P04:32
psusiis it just me or is debconf not used much these days?04:32
siretartwhat's the problem with 'mentor'? is it too overloaded? if yes, by which?04:33
dholbachScottK: the more they bootstrap themselves, the better - but it's nice to have a good and light weight process running, which helps them through the worst04:33
dholbachStevenK: hehe :)04:33
dholbachplease leave more comments on the wiki page04:33
ScottKsiretart: I'd say it's overloaded as what is proposed here for mentor is (I think) not quite the same as what Debian means by mentor.04:33
dholbachso our conversation in here doesn't get lost04:33
StevenKpsusi: Of the 1,346 packages installed on my machine, 871 import the debconf confmodule in their postinst.04:34
psusiohh wow04:34
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StevenKpsusi: So it's just you. :-P04:34
psusilast time I did a dpkg-reconfigure it didn't find that many packages to configure04:34
siretartScottK: debian calls it 'AM' (application manager)04:34
StevenKBut why would you do that?04:35
psusito see what there was to change ;)04:35
ScottKsiretart: Thanks.  I'm not an expert on the Debian NM process (learned enough to decide it's more trouble than it's worth for me).04:35
StevenKOkay, can we stop drawing parallels between this process and NM? They have completly seperates goals and problems they are trying to solve.04:35
siretartdholbach: regarding the discussion about the file format, I think we should go with a CSV file, at least at the beginning04:36
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psusiI'm going to try and help fix a conflicted merge generated by mom.... I'm used to doing three way merges on windows with tortoiseSVN... how can you do that in linux?04:36
StevenKpsusi: diff304:36
dholbachI updated the page with some of the comments04:37
psusiisn't that just the command line diff?  not a gui side by side viewer?04:37
dholbachplease add whatever I forgot04:37
siretartwe can easily convert CSV to everything, and it is easily editable by texteditors. even merges and diffs work fine with them04:37
psusiright... so how do I view the diff3 output then? ;)04:37
siretartpsusi: if you use emacs, have a look at the 'ediff' package. You might also try out 'meld'04:37
dholbachsiretart: WFM04:37
siretart(which is a standalone gtk application)04:38
psusihrm... ok... guess I'll have to start learning ediff04:38
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StevenKpsusi: There is also fldiff, imediff2, kompare, mgdiff, tkdiff, xfdiff and xxdiff.04:39
dothebartajmitch: did you reload the keychain?04:39
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dothebarti forgot to do the email decryption...04:39
dothebartStevenK: don't you forget meld.04:40
ScottKpsusi: There's also print them out, line them up side by side, and get out your pen (but I'm really old compared to everyone else here - AFAIK).04:40
StevenKdothebart: That was pointed out previously, along with ediff.04:41
dothebartah ok... 04:41
StevenKScottK: Do you do merges with scissors and glue, too?04:41
ScottKStevenK: Not in about 25 years, but I may be about to re-adopt the process to figure out the latest clamav merge.04:42
StevenKI've started keeping state in a text editor for larger merges.04:42
StevenKbacula required roughly 50 lines of notes04:43
StevenKAnyway, time to sleep.04:44
ScottKGood night StevenK04:44
dholbachnight StevenK04:44
siretartdholbach: would you volunteer to work in FD?04:46
dholbachyes, but it'd be nice if it was somebody else for once :)04:47
dholbachbut yeah, I'd do it04:47
siretartI was thinking about writing some lines about mentoring based on the experience I make with xxxxx1 right now04:48
dholbachgood idea04:48
siretartI'll be at LUG-Camp starting from tomorrow until sunday. I won't be offline, but I don't know how stable my internet connection will be04:49
siretartI'll start writing some notes there and share it with you04:49
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dholbachthanks alot siretart04:52
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DavieyHi, can i have to use debhelper for packages submitted to REVU?04:56
Davieythat should read "Do i have to...204:57
siretartDaviey: depends on your reviewer ;)04:57
siretartserious: as long as you don't use yada, I think it'll be fine04:58
DavieyCan i use the structure for: dpkg-deb --build04:58
siretartthat sounds crackful04:58
DavieyI'm building a package that does little more than extract to a location04:59
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siretartDaviey: like in shipping data or like in shipping precompiled binaries?05:02
Davieysiretart, two packages in mind - one is just a shell script | font package05:03
siretartDaviey: how about contributing them to an existing package instead?05:04
Davieycan't see how?!05:04
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DavieyOne package is an application shell script | a replacement for msttcorefonts05:05
Davieyreplacement being GPL/OFL pack05:06
Burgundaviayou talking about the liberation fonts?05:06
DavieyBurgundavia,  I'm currently trying to package the liberation fonts - then have another package that depends on 'liberation fonts' that creates symlinks to the ms font names05:07
siretartI'd rather make the two one package05:10
DavieyShoudn't msttcorefonts and liberation fonts be able to co-exsist tho?05:11
Davieythe fake package i was planning on 'replacing' msttcorefonts and depending on liber' fonts05:11
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ScottKDaviey: Please don't do that.  As a user of msttcorefonts I'd want to try them out side by side for a while first.05:17
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LoicI've got a question about SRU : when the SRU is approved, the fix commited and the new package has been in proposed for more than a week with more than 2 people saying it works for them05:23
LoicWhat should I do know to get the package moved in  universe?05:23
ScottKLoic: What package?05:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 84705 in xvidcore "[Feisty]  libxvidcore missing dependency for yasm for i386 arch : more than 3 times slower than in edgy" [Medium,Fix committed]  05:24
=== ScottK looks
ScottKLoic: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU - Tag the package verification-motu-done05:26
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ScottKLoic: I think then imbrandon should subscribe ubuntu-sru if he's satisfied.05:27
LoicThank you05:27
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LoicDone :) . imbrandon could you please subscribe ubuntu-sru if you're ok with the package?05:30
bddebianHeya gang05:30
pochuhi bddebian :)05:32
pochubddebian: padawans FTW! :)05:32
bddebianHi pochu. :-)05:35
geserHi bddebian05:36
bddebianHeya geser05:39
welshbytewell as long as we don't have any Anakin Skywalkers in our midst... :)05:41
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leonelhello motus !05:42
leonelpatches !  patches  give me  patches  i need patches ...05:43
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joejaxxeveryone took all the bitsized bugs from me :(05:43
pochuleonel: are you on crack? :)05:44
leonelI'm on bugs ...05:44
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pochuLutin, Adri2000: ping05:44
ScottKleonel: How's Dapper going?05:45
LoicAbout xvidcore4, I subscribed ubuntu-sru to the bug. However, I just checked gutsy and the bug is there as well. Will the fix be automatically ported for gutsy or do I have to do something?05:45
ScottKLoic: You have to do something.05:45
pochuLoic: you need to fix gutsy first05:45
pochuotherwise, the sru won't be approved, afaik05:45
ScottKpochu: He already fixed Feisty05:45
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pochudid he?05:45
ScottKNot in this case.05:45
=== pochu has seen other SRUs rejected because the development version wasn't fixed yet
ScottKLoic: I just nominate the bug for Feisty and Gutsy.  Once a MOTU approves that, you'll be able to track status for each release separately.05:46
ScottKpochu: Yes, it happens, but not this time...05:46
pochuScottK: oks :)05:47
ScottKLoic: You need to make a proper debdiff for the Gutsy package to and attach that to the bug.05:47
sacaterhey all, when is gutsy beta due out?05:48
sacaterim gonna run it on my new laptop :D05:48
pochusacater: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule05:49
sacaterpochu: thanks mate :D05:49
LoicIf I make a debdiff for gutsy, will I have to do the same for gutsy+1?05:49
ScottKLoic: All you should need to do is change +xvidcore (2:1.1.2-0.1ubuntu1.1~proposed1) feisty-proposed; urgency=low to +xvidcore (2:1.1.2-0.1ubuntu2) gutsy; urgency=low05:49
sacaterpochu: oh and btw, laptop scare is off, I have one now, not new, not fast, but it does the job :P05:49
ScottKLoic: No, once it's in the development tree you're done.05:49
LoicThanks. Can I just manually modify my debdiff or do I have to rerun the process again?05:50
pochusacater: cool :)05:50
bddebianwelshbyte: :-)05:50
ScottKLoic: If you are careful, since it doesn't affect the number of lines in the diff, you should be able to do it manually.05:50
LoicThx :)05:51
leonelScottK: in an hour approx  I'll start  with dapper so it must be done TODAY !05:53
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ScottKleonel: Great.  You are doing good work.05:53
ScottKLoic: Note that make sure what I put above makes sense.  I didn't study it as carefully as I would if I were doing it myself.05:54
LoicNo, it should be ok, it was just about a missing dependency05:54
leonelScottK:  had good  teachers :)05:55
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ScottKleonel: Thanks.05:55
LoicBtw, does anyone know Power PC and other architectures than i386/x64 to tell me if there's any reason not to have xvidcore4 depend on yasm in these architectures?05:56
ScottKLoic: Investigating that question fully would be a good reason to wait on the Gutsy debdiff until you know ...05:56
Adri2000pochu: pong05:58
ScottKAnyone looking for Main SRU practice might want to look at Bug #6225505:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 62255 in pptpd "pptpd on edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6225505:58
LoicActually, I'm not even sure it needs so much investigation. Previous packages depended on yasm on all architectures, and the restriction to x64 was apparently just a blunder05:58
LoicHow should I investigate for other arch since I don't have PPC or other? Is there a mailing list or better an irc channel?05:59
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LoicI'll be trying in  #ubuntu-powerpc...06:03
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pochuAdri2000: the REPORT for amule is 0 bytes, though it says it hasn't found any error, and Ubuntu has a big patch:06:14
Adri2000pochu: http://dad.dunnewind.net/amule/REPORT ? that works here06:16
pochuAdri2000: sorry, I mean http://dad.dunnewind.net/amule/amule_2.1.3-2ubuntu1.patch06:17
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pochuAdri2000: it shouldn't be empty, right?06:17
Adri2000I'm looking06:18
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Adri2000pochu: there is something wrong that's sure... it may be related to the last change (which fixes the 0ubuntuX only bug), I'll review the code and talk with Lutin about it06:24
pochuAdri2000: thanks, and please let me know how it goes :)06:25
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Adri2000pochu: yep, np06:26
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wolfeonScottK: not yet06:51
wolfeonScottK: soon though :)06:52
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jussi01gah, am i stupid or something?07:03
jussi01can someone find me all the bugs which are tagged needs packaging?07:03
joejaxxjussi01: you mean packages people want in universe?07:05
jussi01joejaxx: yes...07:05
jussi01joejaxx: I need a new something to do...07:05
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joejaxxthere you go07:05
joejaxxjussi01: :P07:06
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joejaxxjussi01: you are most welcome07:06
jussi01joejaxx: that gives me a weird, huge list.... :(07:07
Adri2000jussi01: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?field.tags=needs-packaging07:07
joejaxxjussi01: yes but i thought you wanted packages that people wanted packaged? :(07:07
jussi01joejaxx: yeah, but what you gave me isnt that :(07:08
joejaxxjussi01: it is for me07:09
joejaxxjussi01: it says needs packaging all the way down the list07:09
jussi01joejaxx: lol it just gives me almost every bug reported...07:09
jussi01Adri2000: thanks... thats the one.... :D07:10
joejaxxi wonder why that is07:10
jussi01joejaxx: could be kde's fault...07:10
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pochujoejaxx: 1   75  of 42803 results07:14
pochujussi01: I guess that's not kde, but a bad link :)07:14
joejaxxactually that is the link off the motu todo page :P07:15
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Lutinpochu: around ?07:33
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pochuLutin: yep :)07:37
Lutinpochu: that was about the amule bug..when have you noticed it for the first time ?07:37
pochuLutin: this evening07:38
pochuLutin: the amule merge has been added recently07:38
pochumaybe today07:38
pochuso I looked to the report, and after that looked at the patch07:39
pochuwhich, surprisingly, was empty07:39
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Lutinpochu: amule wasn't on the list before that ?07:39
pochuLutin: before what?07:40
Lutinpochu: before you noticed the bug. I mean, as it been added today ?07:40
pochuLutin: I've noticed the bug today with amule, don't know when it was added :)07:43
Lutinpochu: ok07:43
pochubut it's been added recently, since my unique merge was wesnoth07:43
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AnAntHello, 07:45
bddebianHeya AnAnt07:45
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AnAntbddebian: how  r u ?07:46
AnAnthow can I add a menu icon for a package ? menu file ?07:46
bddebian .desktop file07:47
AnAntbddebian: is there a dh_* command to install it ?07:47
bddebianAnAnt: The desktop file or the icon?07:48
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AnAntbddebian: the desktop file07:49
bddebianAnAnt: Does the package already have one?07:51
AnAntbddebian: no, I will create one, I am doing a menu file now btw07:52
tuxmaniacHobbsee, heh. Just checking out the photo in which you are being carried to the pool07:53
Hobbseetuxmaniac: heh.07:53
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Hobbseethey threatened to throw me in the pool all week07:53
Hobbseeattempted to break me in doing so, too...07:54
tuxmaniacHobbsee, hahah. Mitrandir and Seveas right?07:54
Hobbseetuxmaniac: Seveas and ajmitch 07:55
bddebianAnAnt: You can use install, dh_install, cp, mv whatever to stick the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications07:55
Hobbseetuxmaniac: mithrandir kinda glared at them and got them to stop07:55
AnAntbddebian: ok, thanks07:55
SeveasMithrandir has evil glare07:56
Seveasand Hobbsee has an evil death stare07:57
Hobbseeand i have the death stare.07:57
welshbytesome packages use the desktop-file-install tool but it seems to me like it's only useful if you need to munge it a bit in transit07:57
xxxxx1hello bddebian !07:58
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SeveasHobbsee, and still I survived :)07:58
tuxmaniacSeveas, heh. I can see the *death* stare :-) 07:58
HobbseeSeveas: so far07:58
tuxmaniacSeveas, btw thanks for ubotu in #ubuntu-in :-)07:58
SeveasHobbsee, well, we're now pretty much at opposite ends of this planet 07:58
bddebianHeya xxxxx107:58
SeveasI feel reasonably safe07:58
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AnAntbddebian: is that the only way to add menu icons ?07:59
AnAntbddebian: I find some apps I got here that don't have .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/07:59
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bddebianAnAnt: You are talking about the gnome menu right?07:59
AnAntbddebian: yup07:59
etteyafedI am working on a kernel module management GUI for gnome and I would like to get the ball rolling on having the .deb looked at. It needs a bit of work still but its ready for inspection I think. Anyone here that can point me in a direction?08:00
tsmitherargh i hate it when people don't research things...! (including me)08:02
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tsmithestupid wired08:02
tsmitheand debian08:02
sharmsbryyce: with regards to 1.3 and fglrx -- I think by the time gutsy is released, there will be a brand new fglrx out08:03
sharmsbryyce: they currently have a closed (nda) beta for a total rewrite of the driver08:04
jussi01tsmithe: lol08:04
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bddebianAnAnt: Well it's the only way I know of so you got me there.08:04
ScottK!REVU | etteyafed08:04
ubotuetteyafed: REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU08:05
AnAntbddebian: ok, thanks08:05
etteyafedsorry... I know this info is available someplace (i looked at before).08:05
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bryycesharms: yes I hope so08:06
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tepsipakkisharms: "total rewrite" doesn't sound too good :)08:14
tepsipakkialthough it can only get better08:15
joejaxxdoes anyone have an example of a developmental build naming schema for the ubuntu discs?08:16
Hobbseejoejaxx: define "ubuntu discs"08:17
sharmstepsipakki: I believe they intend on fully supporting AIGLX etc08:17
joejaxxi know final is ubuntu-releaseversion-alternative-arch.iso08:17
joejaxxHobbsee: ^08:17
pochutepsipakki: was -intel ready for a sync, of does it need a merge? :)08:17
Hobbseethe dailies are the same, arent they?08:17
leonelScottK: dapper's squirrelmail  patched in the source  now  to check all  build deb test  all again  and  upload the  debdiff ..08:17
joejaxxHobbsee: i do not know08:17
sharmstepsipakki: nda prevents that from being verified08:17
Hobbseejoejaxx: i think they're all named the same, so people can rsync08:18
joejaxxHobbsee: i am talking specifically about the herd/tribe/flight type discs08:18
ScottKleonel: Sounds good.08:18
tepsipakkipochu: needs a merge, git commits are not yet released which should make it syncable08:18
Hobbseejoejaxx: i'd look them up on cdimage.ubuntu.com08:18
ranfpochu, I didn't say don't sync. Just give Petter some time to catch up.08:18
tepsipakkisharms: ok..08:19
pochuHobbsee: weren't you asking for merges a while ago? -intel is yours! :)08:19
Hobbseepochu: i knwo :(08:20
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pochuHobbsee: if you don't want to do it, I can take a look :)08:20
Hobbseei'll look08:20
Hobbseei do actually need to do a merge, at some point08:20
pochuHobbsee: cool, thanks!08:20
Hobbseei couldnt eyeball it during UDS, and havent looked again08:20
Hobbseewhile i was in session08:20
tepsipakkikylem told me that -i810 isn't going to be dropped yet08:21
tepsipakki"too risky"08:22
pochutepsipakki: we can include -intel in main at least :)08:22
tepsipakkiwhat's the point if -i810 ends up being used08:23
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Burgundaviajoejaxx: they are named until release, at which point the iso name has the version number08:25
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psusican anyone give me some help with emacs ediff?  I can't figure out which frigging end is up08:27
joejaxxBurgundavia: yeah but what about the herds/flights/etc08:28
Burgundaviajoejaxx: what about them?08:28
Burgundaviathey are named consistently08:28
joejaxxBurgundavia: i thought those specified them in the iso name08:28
Burgundaviaafaik, no08:28
joejaxxoh ok08:28
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psusisiretart: ping08:38
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jussi01hei, so just as a quick final check, where should i be looking to make sure that a package is not already being packaged...08:49
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joejaxxthe repos08:49
joejaxxand revu08:49
joejaxxand debian08:49
sacaterI am a little bit worried...08:49
jussi01heh...debian, where......08:49
joejaxxjussi01: packages.debian.org08:49
joejaxxsacater: why what happened?08:50
sacatermy syslog@trinity my (laptop), just messaged me with write..... but it was informal...08:50
sacaterlike it knew me08:50
xxxxx1jussi01: check the queue too08:50
psusiStevenK: ping08:50
sacaterand even gave me some errors on my CPU008:50
Hobbseepsusi: asleep08:50
sacaterwhere are write logs kept?08:50
jussi01xxxxx1: queue?08:50
joejaxxsacater: that is funny08:50
sacaterno its not08:50
sacaterquite the opposite08:50
sacaterfor 2 reasons08:50
sacater1, someone could have access to my machine08:51
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sacater2, they got into sys08:51
psusianyone else use emacs ediff?  I can't for the live of me get the damn thing to compare two whole directories instead of only a specific file in them that I know has changed08:51
sacaterjoejaxx: when my computer talks to me, it is very disturbing08:52
sacaterit also said about hardware faults08:52
sacaterbut 'Uhhuh'08:52
sacaterlike it was agreeing...08:52
joejaxxsacater: well yeah if it does not have a AI08:52
sacateri am SERIOUSLY worried...08:52
joejaxxsacater: time to start auditting for you :\08:53
sacaterwhere are write logs kept08:53
sacaterif any08:53
xxxxx1jussi01: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue08:54
xxxxx1jussi01: packages in *NEW*08:54
jussi01so i assume that this isnt being packaged / already packaged? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=42023708:54
ubotuDebian bug 420237 in wnpp "RFP: mnemosyne -- spaced repitition flash-card program" [Wishlist,Open]  08:54
ScottKjussi01: Debian has a pseudo package called WNPP where people file intent to package bugs.  08:54
ScottKYeah.  Like that one.08:54
jussi01xxxxx1: is that not the same as revu archive?08:54
Hobbseejussi01: not necessarily08:55
jussi01ok then08:55
ScottKjussi01: That's a request for the package, not an intent to package.08:55
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jussi01ok, so I could package it and not worry about dual efforts then... (like last time...)08:56
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ScottKjussi01: No guarantees, but I'd expect if someone started working on it in Debian, they'd have commented on that bug.08:58
jussi01ScottK: cool, well im gonna mark the ubuntu bug mine then, should i also put something on debian?08:58
ScottKjussi01: Only if you plan to get it in Debian (which is no bad thing).08:59
ScottKBTW, unless you get your package in Debian, you are at risk of your work getting over-written in the future.09:00
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ScottKjussi01: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian/09:01
jussi01ScottK: thanks09:02
DavieyCould somebody look at my upload?  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5157  :)09:02
HobbseeDaviey: version needs to be -0ubuntu1 for a start, not -ubuntu109:05
Hobbseedidnt check the rest that closely09:06
Hobbseeit's still a bit early09:06
TreenaksHobbsee: not late? :P09:06
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HobbseeTreenaks: no - i've been asleep :P09:07
Adri2000pochu: amule is fixed. but now we have another issue (not critical): the conflicts are not correctly listed in the REPORT file, Lutin will take care of it when he comes back.09:07
pochuAdri2000: ok, thanks :)09:08
bluekujaFujitsu, ping09:12
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Hobbseebluekuja: he'll be asleep09:15
bluekujaHobbsee, :)09:16
bluekujaHobbsee, gonna ping him tomorrow then09:16
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wolfeondoes anyone know if there is breakage in archive.canonical.com's package server?09:25
wolfeonW: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com feisty-commercial Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>09:25
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Hobbseehmmm, could be09:28
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Hobbseeyoud' have to wait for the archive admins to be around09:28
wolfeonthose card assholes, breaking everything. what kind of an imperfect world do we live in? :P09:32
jussi01ok, building a python program, where in debian/rules do i put this command: python setup.py install09:37
ScottKjussi01: Maybe you don't09:38
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jussi01ScottK: what then....09:39
ScottKjussi01: If it's got a good setup.py you might find python-support + cdbs is the simplest method.  Look at the pyyaml source package as a sample.09:39
jussi01arghh... ive not used cdbs...09:39
jussi01got a good tutorial09:40
ScottKLook at the pyyaml package.  It's dead easy if you've got a good setup.py09:40
ScottKcdbs documentation is, umm, sparse.09:40
ScottKGoogle will help you out for what there is.09:42
ScottKOther than that, use the source...09:42
ScottKAlthough you probably won't need to.09:42
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jussi01gah, where do I give myself ownership of a bug? can i do that? 09:47
jussi01found it nm...09:48
jussi01ScottK: just noticed you commented on this bug :D09:49
ScottKWhich bug?09:50
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jussi01bug 10810009:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 108100 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  mnemosyne" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10810009:50
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Davieyhmm... why am i getting "Sorry, Commenting for contributors only on their own uploads" - on one of my uploads?09:50
jussi01Daviey: you logged in?09:50
Davieythe only thing i can think of - is the email addy on the upload page has a capital letter in the email address and my account doesn't09:51
ScottKDaviey: That's likely it.09:52
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jussi01ScottK: I dont understand...10:06
ScottKDon't understand what?10:06
siretartpsusi: pong10:07
jussi01how that rules file works....:(10:07
jussi01ScottK: or anything any more... i feel so stupid10:07
Lamegojussi01, you are expected to be familiar with makefiles :P10:08
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ScottKjussi01: If this is because you looked at the rules file for a cdbs package, remember that cdbs is deep black magic.10:08
Lamegoah, you mean cdbs :)10:08
Lamegothat is even simpler :)10:08
ScottKIf you have a good setup.py it'll just work.10:09
jussi01so I ca effectively copy-paste your rules file... ad it should just "work" ??10:09
ScottKI've got to run.  It should.10:09
Lamegojussi01, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy10:09
jussi01yay, thanks for your help :D10:09
jussi01see you ScottK10:10
HobbseeFujitsu: harsh.10:10
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jussi01Lamego: thanks for that link, exactly what i was looking for. :D10:14
psusisiretart: morning?10:15
siretartpsusi: oh, I'm about to get to bed ;)10:18
psusisiretart: ohh, thought you had gone to bed hours ago ;)10:18
psusisiretart: go get some sleep then, I was just looking for some help figuring out ediff10:18
siretartpsusi: no, I've visited my parents and just returned home10:18
siretartoh, xxxxx1 just went away. 10:19
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moxfyrehi all, i'm having trouble re-uploading a modified package to REVU10:24
moxfyrecan anyone help me out?10:25
moxfyrei get an 'error 553 could not create file' when uploading the .dsc10:25
moxfyreeven if I do dput -f as the wiki suggests10:26
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moxfyreso i've been unable to update the package in any way10:26
siretartmoxfyre: which file?10:27
moxfyrecpuid package10:27
moxfyrethe fn is cpuid_20060917-0ubuntu1.dsc10:27
moxfyrei do dput -f revu cpuid_20060917-0ubuntu1_source.changes10:28
moxfyreand it gives me that error10:28
siretartI'm on it10:29
moxfyrecan you tell me how to avoid this problem in the future?10:30
siretartdo not do binary uploads10:31
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siretartonly upload *_source.changes, as the wiki instructs. never upload *_i386.changes10:31
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siretartmoxfyre: you can reupload now10:31
moxfyreworked like a charm10:32
moxfyrenow to wait for more harsh comments to roll in :)10:35
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jussi01programs written in python go in the section python correct?10:38
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sacaterthe guy who owns a linux server I use for screen and irssi is shutting it down10:41
sacateranyone know a server owner who is willing to let me run screen and irssi?10:41
Hobbseesacater: various ubuntu type poeple probably would10:44
Hobbseesiretart: maybe10:45
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sacaterHobbsee: was that addressed to me saying that siretart might, or a completely differnet thing10:45
Hobbseesacater: was addressed to you10:45
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sacatersiretart: ^^^10:46
siretartsacater: are you in the launchpad group 'ubuntu-dev'?10:46
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jussi01morning ajmitch10:47
lionelmorning ajmitch10:47
ajmitchhm, new mentoring10:48
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sacatersiretart: not exactly no.. here is a list of those that I am in https://launchpad.net/%7Esacater/+participation10:48
sacatersiretart: i am applying for Q+A team atm10:48
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siretartsacater: hm. we do have 'community developer machines' for MOTUs. 10:49
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Hobbseesiretart: ppa's?10:50
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siretartHobbsee: no, ubuntuwire. ask imbrandon for details 10:50
Hobbseeguess that's nto restricted to -dev10:50
siretartHobbsee: he sent an email to ubuntu-motu@ about this. accounts are created from the lp group10:50
siretartHobbsee: I don't know his policy for non -dev people10:51
sacatersiretart: I am motu mentoree, havnt done it for a while due to SATS and coursework though :(, i made a text editor package before :P10:51
Hobbseesiretart: yep, right, thats' what i thought10:51
sacatersiretart: but i doubt that that is good enough10:51
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jussi01gah, i hate that...10:56
jussi01kwin just crashed....10:56
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sacatersiretart: so... can i have a small server space...11:06
siretartsacater: I can't create you an account on tiber, the machine is having bandwith problems anyway and needs to be rebooted soon11:06
cheatrsacater: How much space do you need?11:06
siretartsacater: I'd suggest to ask imbrandon11:06
sacatersiretart: okay I shall11:08
sacatercheatr: enough for irssi and screen11:08
sacatercheatr: maybe a bit more if I ever need to host files11:09
Hobbseeimbrandon: might do it, yeah11:09
sacatercheatr: half a Gig would be more than enough11:09
ajmitchHobbsee: that's a tentative maybe11:09
sacaterimbrandon: please read above...11:09
cheatrsacater: You're after web hosting right?11:09
Hobbseeajmitch: indeed11:09
cheatrsacater: I don't have php, but I have perl setup11:10
cheatrsacater: And I can give you 1/2 a gig. I also have ftp if you don't need an actual site11:10
sacateri need ssh ability11:10
sacaterthats a must11:10
sacaterto use screen11:10
cheatrI'm interested in learning to package for Ubuntu. I've read some of the wiki articles on it, but am still a little unclear. I was wondering if any of you have some time and would be willing to help me out.11:15
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crimsunsure - where do you need assistance?11:16
sacatercheatr: are you familliar with what a debian binary does11:17
sacaterthats the .deb packages11:17
cheatrsacater: Yeah, I'm somewhat familar.11:17
sacaterto package you will need devscripts11:17
sacaterallows you to build and edit packages11:18
cheatrwell, that's not what any of the tutorials said. I looked like I didn't actually make the .deb package. I just submited the files that you normally find in a .tar.gz type installation (where you have to make and then make install)11:18
sacateryou need to build it11:19
sacaterinto a .deb11:19
sacateror provide a debdiff for the origianl package11:19
sacateroutlying the differences11:19
sacatera patch really11:19
xxxxx1bye all!11:19
crimsuncheatr: if by "submit" you mean "submit to REVU or Ubuntu", then yes, you would upload only source [not built binaries] 11:19
cheatrcrimsun: Yeah, I'm not building the packages for me. I plan on submitting them to Ubuntu for the universe repository11:20
psusiso does anyone here use ediff to compare/merge two directories?11:22
crimsunI use vimdiff(1)11:23
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crimsungnomefreak: I'll be in Carrboro (@Weaver Street Market) from 11A-6P if you'd like to swing by and get your key signed11:28
crimsungnomefreak: err, tomorrow, that is.11:28
leonelbuild a deb  and when I tested  I got an error I need to fix11:31
leoneldo I  only rerun debuild  ?11:32
crimsunthe same debuild command you previously used.11:32
persialeonel: If the source .dsc was built, I recommend deleting the build directory, reexpanding the new source, and running debuild.  Sometimes debian/rules clean: doesn't do everything it could.11:33
leonelpersia: it has no  update system11:33
leonelpersia: I edited the source  11:33
leoneli mean no patch system11:34
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persialeonel: My apologies for lack of clarity.  If you are working on package foo_1.2-3ubuntu4.dsc, and make changes (even directly to the source), which resulted in foo_1.2-3ubuntu5.dsc other files), deleting foo-1.2, and expanding foo_1.2-3ubuntu5.dsc should result in your changes being restored in foo-1.2 (before the build).11:36
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leoneljust rerun  debuild    and got the  same  dsc 11:37
crimsun(I hope you're running at least debuild -S )11:37
leonelso no problem  then ?11:38
crimsunwell, you have the source locally, so you'll have to tell us whether there are problems.  :-)11:38
persialeonel: LIkely not - some packages are better than others :).  Check your debdiff to be sure.11:38
leonelI mean  I had the  .deb  builded  then  I found an error 11:39
leoneljust a missing ;11:39
leoneledited the source   its  a php script11:39
crimsunjust install the newer one & retest it11:39
leonelrebuild  reinstall retest 11:39
crimsunwelcome to MOTU.11:42
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crimsun(except MOTU is usually "fix rebuild reinstall retest" ad nauseum)11:42
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etteyafedWho do I ask to re-sync the REVU upload keyring?11:51
crimsunhere.  I'll do it.11:51
etteyafedThank you.11:52
crimsunit normally takes 15-20 mins.11:52
etteyafedAlright. But after that I should be good to dput my source?11:53
Hobbseeargh...save me from the stupid....11:53
crimsunI'll say something here in the channel when the process has completed.11:53
Hobbseepeople, if you're going to pull the line of "i cant get support because i'm a women, you men all think that linux is a type of football enviroment or poker game..." or whatever, please do your research first, that the immediate people you're taking to *arent female*.  kthxbye.11:56
pochuHobbsee: ?11:56
Hobbseepochu: another channel.  i'm venting at the stupidity.11:56
pochuhehe, oks :)11:57
crimsunbut I don't know of any women in the immediate vicinity  =)11:57
ajmitchsilly people11:58
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welshbyteyeah, i don't enjoy football or poker at all11:59
leonelcrimsun: and its  bug fixing addictive12:02
crimsunleonel: up to a point, absolutely.12:02
crimsunthen again, YMMV.12:02
leonelI see dead bugs, but they don't know they are dead12:03
welshbytewith a merge where some patches have been added and others removed (in debian/patches/) is there an easy way to figure out which ones should be kept?12:03
crimsunleonel: :-)12:03
welshbytei was just peeking at xpdf which looks a little tricky12:03
crimsunwelshbyte: depends what you mean by "easy".  Depending on your familiarity, reading the patches could be easy.12:04
welshbytei'm not very familiar with it :)12:04
crimsunnormally it's iterative.  Take debian/changelog and compare with debian/patches/12:04
crimsunhopefully they're documented well in the former.12:04
crimsunyou'll likely end up reading the patches themselves in debian/patches/ , too.12:05
ScottKcrimsun: Thanks for the thumbs up on the application.12:05
crimsunScottK: sorry, finger slipped.  I actually meant to say that "ScottK is a booger and shouldn't be considered..."12:06
welshbytecrimsun: ok thanks, i'll have a look at it but i can't spend much time on it - supposed to be studying for exams :)12:06
ScottKGood thing for me it's to late now then....12:06
crimsunwelshbyte: right, no worries.12:06
crimsunScottK: ;-)12:06
leoneldapper's squirrelmail   patched  builded  tested  ...12:08
leonelnow  to send the debdiff12:08
TheMusoHey all.12:11
ScottKHeya TheMuso.12:11
ScottKleoneol, sounds great.12:11
ScottKerr leonel^^12:12

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