| micahcowan | Why can't an SRU be a backport? | 12:18 |
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| ajmitch | it can, but generally it shouldn't be | 12:18 |
| nixternal | paran: --preserve-buildplace | 12:18 |
| ajmitch | just dumping in a new upstream version isn't the best way to fix a bug | 12:19 |
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| crimsun | micahcowan: in the strict sense, an SRU is just a fix for a regression. It /can/ be backported from a newer version; they're not mutually exclusive generally. | 12:19 |
| plugwash | i dunno about ubuntu but with debian the general priciple of updates to stable releases is change the minimum nessacery thereby keeping the risk of regressions to a minimum | 12:20 |
| crimsun | micahcowan: we use SRU very specifically to mean an existing fix that is easily verified, tested, and has no regressions. | 12:20 |
| plugwash | s/no regressions/no known regressions/ | 12:21 |
| micahcowan | So, the rough critereon would be, if the new, existing package version is little more than a fix to that (and maybe other) regression/vulnerability, it could probably serve as an SRU; otherwise it should come in the form of a patch to the current (for that release) package? | 12:22 |
| crimsun | no, SRUs are _always_ patches. | 12:22 |
| crimsun | the only exceptions are things in main like gnome. | 12:22 |
| micahcowan | so, when you said backport just now, you meant of that particular piece of code, and not of the package. | 12:23 |
| crimsun | that is correct. | 12:23 |
| crimsun | remember that it's not restricted to backporting; it can entail forwardporting, too. | 12:23 |
| micahcowan | Gotcha. Okay, well I expect I will probably find the relevant code for this fix in either or both of its predecessor or successor. :) | 12:24 |
| micahcowan | Thanks very much for the help, crimsun and ajmitch. | 12:24 |
| micahcowan | Edgy support is until 2007 Oct, yes? | 12:29 |
| micahcowan | Ah, until 2008. I see it. | 12:29 |
| ajmitch | unfortunately | 12:30 |
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| paran | nixternal: that cleans up on failure and successful builds according to the man page | 12:31 |
| Hobbsee | blerg. | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: morning! :) | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: had a good sleep? | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: didnt sleep | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | all these assignments - eek. | 12:35 |
| ajmitch | hehehe | 12:35 |
| ajmitch | ;) | 12:35 |
| ajmitch | it's your own fault | 12:35 |
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| ajmitch | you should really get back to your usual timezone so that you can at least start working on them | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | true | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | physics due last week, elec due tomorrow, maths today, maths test sometime, 2 pracs... | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | there's probably more | 12:37 |
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| ajmitch | UDS was far more fun than assignments, right? | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | true | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | i was very tempted not to come back to uni... | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | and do what? | 12:38 |
| crimsun | poke people with sticks. smuggle cigarettes. anything but uni. | 12:38 |
| === ajmitch was tempted to not go back to work | ||
| ajmitch | except I sort of need to have money to live | 12:39 |
| crimsun | that's why I don't go to UDSes. Once you see the greener grass, it all goes to shite. | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | heh | 12:40 |
| ajmitch | surely the grass is green where you work | 12:40 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: how'd you know about the cig smuggling? | 12:40 |
| crimsun | maybe. I'm in a dank basement with no windows. | 12:40 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: I read scrollback. | 12:40 |
| Hobbsee | right | 12:40 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt remember saying about that | ||
| Hobbsee | although maybe i did | 12:40 |
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| ajmitch | Hobbsee: your partner in crime did | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 12:42 |
| Hobbsee | that was a shame,yes. | 12:42 |
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| Hobbsee | and it apperas they're talking about exams already, and i cant just bullshit electronics again, by answering only half the paper | 12:43 |
| Hobbsee | (like usual, for our electronics papers, which only require half the questions to be answered) | 12:43 |
| ajmitch | you actually have to do work? | 12:43 |
| Hobbsee | i actually have to know all of it, yes. | 12:44 |
| ajmitch | scary | 12:44 |
| Hobbsee | ooh, and a lab report. for a lab i havent done. *EXCELLENT*. | 12:44 |
| Hobbsee | and MQ is broken again, so i cant access it. | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | even worse, you'll have to actually *attend* university | 12:45 |
| === Hobbsee rains threats on the electronics department, computing department, maths department, and the people who cant be bothered to unlock a building. | ||
| Hobbsee | seeing as the first and third have botched their webpages, which the comp department is also reponsible for. | 12:47 |
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| bmm | bddebian: thanks for the review! | 01:07 |
| bmm | oh, nobody online under that name... well still. | 01:08 |
| bmm | When there is a "questionable" copyright problem, how can that be solved? Are there lawyers online? | 01:08 |
| jmg | does canonical not have a general counsel for these matters? | 01:09 |
| jmg | perhaps you could write to the eff? | 01:09 |
| bmm | hope it doesn't need a whole counsel | 01:09 |
| bmm | that will take allot of time, and it's really a simple package appart from one of the licenses not being a FSF approved license :-S | 01:10 |
| jmg | bmm: debian-legal is a good place to take it, though they tend to err on the side of caution | 01:11 |
| jmg | whats the package/license? | 01:11 |
| bmm | Hope that doesn't kill my package :-S http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5125 | 01:11 |
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| bmm | jmg: ow, wait the license is online here: http://userpages.umbc.edu/~mabzug1/cs/md5/md5.html | 01:12 |
| bmm | bottom of the page | 01:12 |
| jmg | bmm: how is this different to md5sum? | 01:14 |
| bmm | jmg: ooh, good point, I'll see if I can find another accepted package with the same license. But the implementation is equal. | 01:14 |
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| jmg | absolutely no discussion on debian-legal | 01:19 |
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| dakira | hi! can I ask packaging related questions here, or is this channel for motus only? | 01:20 |
| bmm | just ask | 01:21 |
| micahcowan | dakira, I'd venture a guess that there are many more "motu hopefuls" than motus here :) | 01:23 |
| dakira | thx ;) i'm building several packages interdependend on each other.. I use pbuilder.. so the first one is a library.. the second one a daemon depending on it.. of course pbuilder can't download the dependency (after adding it to the contro file) because it is not in the repos | 01:23 |
| dakira | how would I go about this? any hints to documentation? | 01:23 |
| dakira | i am building the cdemu experimental, btw | 01:26 |
| === LongPointyStick ARGH. | ||
| micahcowan | Hi Hobbsee | 01:27 |
| LongPointyStick | hiya | 01:28 |
| LongPointyStick | there's too much work to do... | 01:28 |
| pochu | LOL @ bug 114842 | 01:28 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 114842 in Ubuntu "" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114842 | 01:28 |
| LongPointyStick | and there was no point in coming in thsi morning. | 01:28 |
| bmm | dakira: I don't know the awnser to it, but http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/pbuilder_backports/pbuilderbuild.html may hold the awnser. | 01:28 |
| micahcowan | I haven't played around with such a situation, dakira... I'm kind of hoping someone will answer you. A couple things that spring to mind would be to install both packages with the same dpkg -i command, while doing a "pbuilder execute". You'll need a clever way to get the packages into your "execute" shell. | 01:29 |
| bmm | dakira: in the meantime, keep monitoring this channel. There may jus be smart poeple out there ;-) | 01:29 |
| micahcowan | dakira, if you don't get an answer, it might be worth joining and posting to the ubuntu-motu mailing list. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu | 01:30 |
| dakira | bmm: you link is just about general usage.. i know everything about that ;) but thanks anyway! | 01:30 |
| dakira | micahcowan: i thought about something like this.. seems kind of dirty.. i thought there might be a general way to go about it | 01:30 |
| === ajmitch just has a hook to do it with pbuilder | ||
| bmm | dakira: thought the "Feeding your build environment" things might help you enxtend it with your local package list :-D | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | specifically running dpkg-scanpackage beforehand, and apt-get update within pbuilder | 01:31 |
| dakira | bmm: ahh... okay.. that might be it! | 01:32 |
| bmm | dakira: ajmitch seems to know how to do it ;) | 01:32 |
| dakira | ajmitch: do i assume correctly that you don't build automatically with pbuilder in such a case, but login to it and do everything manually? | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | dakira: no | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | I just use pbuilder as normal | 01:34 |
| dakira | ajmitch: yeah.. I just read the link bmm gave me, which describes exactly what you were saying.. so thank you.. that solves my problem! | 01:36 |
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| dakira | ajmitch: pbuilder is really a mighty thing.. i'm liking it more and more | 01:38 |
| ajmitch | using ccache with it can help a lot with repeated builds | 01:39 |
| minghua | pochu: I translated bug 114842 | 01:39 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 114842 in Ubuntu "Problems about the panel" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114842 | 01:39 |
| === minghua wonders if launchpad has interfaces other than English | ||
| === plugwash isn't entirely sure there is much point in making your bugtracker multilingual | ||
| plugwash | in fact it could well be counterproductive | 01:41 |
| dakira | btw, is there a way to submit a bug I have with launchpad itself? | 01:41 |
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| bmm | dakira: I've done that one, you can just post it in launchpad. I posted a bug about not being able to remove my account. Actually the first bug I ever posted :-) | 01:43 |
| pochu | minghua: you rock :) | 01:43 |
| bmm | (in lunchpad) | 01:43 |
| crimsun | dakira: file it against launchpad | 01:43 |
| minghua | plugwash: I agree. I was just wondering how the user reported a bug in Chinese | 01:44 |
| leonel | ScottK: in the source Edgy's squirrelmail has been patched now to build and test ... | 01:44 |
| minghua | if you see an English-only interface, you should realize that you'd better speak English as well | 01:44 |
| ScottK | leonel: Great | 01:45 |
| minghua | leonel: still working on the squirrelmail patches? | 01:45 |
| dakira | bmm, crimsun: okay.. i'll do that.. they recently messed with the CSS so that the "portlets" get all messed up in my browser | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | dakira: opera? | 01:46 |
| minghua | leonel: I see that Debian had a security update for squirrelmail in sarge (1.4.4 I think?) | 01:46 |
| dakira | ajmitch: exactly ;) | 01:46 |
| minghua | leonel: so if you haven't already known that, it may be useful for you | 01:46 |
| ajmitch | dakira: already fixed, will be rolled out in a couple of days | 01:46 |
| ajmitch | (according to reports earlier) | 01:46 |
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| dakira | ajmitch: nice.. thx for the information.. this was really annoying | 01:47 |
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| leonel | minghua: yes edgy and dapper didn't had any applied and since are older versions the patches need to get "by hand" | 02:06 |
| leonel | minghua: debian has squirrelmail 1.4.4 and edgy has 1.4.8 and dapper 1.4.6 | 02:10 |
| minghua | leonel: oh. sorry to hear about that. no shorcut for us, then. :-( | 02:10 |
| leonel | minghua: no | 02:10 |
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| superm1 | Hey any motu's around feeling up for a revu? | 04:01 |
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| Fezzler | Appropriate to ask Samba Q? | 04:14 |
| ScottK | Fezzler: Samba packaging or samba using question? | 04:15 |
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| Fezzler | Using/Setting up basics...not step-by-step...big picture | 04:16 |
| ScottK | Fezzler: I'd suggest #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server | 04:17 |
| Fezzler | Sorry, I'm new to irc (but grateful for it!) | 04:17 |
| ScottK | Not a problem. | 04:17 |
| Fezzler | Thanks for your kindness. | 04:17 |
| ScottK | Not very many people around here right now to ask anyway. | 04:17 |
| ScottK | You're welcome. | 04:17 |
| ajmitch | -server is probably a bit quiet too | 04:17 |
| Fezzler | Is there a "Directory of ircs" | 04:17 |
| === ScottK is sure there is, but doesn't know where to point you. | ||
| Fezzler | I assume there are "channels" of sorts? | 04:18 |
| Fezzler | that's it, thanks | 04:18 |
| ScottK | Fezzler: Yes and channels have topics you can read so you can find out if you are in the right channel. | 04:18 |
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| ScottK | If you don't get it when you connect, you can type /topic and get it repeated for you. | 04:18 |
| Fezzler | Thanks again Scott | 04:19 |
| ScottK | You're welcome. | 04:19 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: send in an app yet? | 04:19 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 04:19 |
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| ScottK | LaserJock: It's written. I probably over asked for sponsors, but I'm giving people a day to respond to my request before I hit send. | 04:19 |
| === ScottK would like all the help he can get. | ||
| ajmitch | you seem worried | 04:20 |
| LaserJock | heh | 04:20 |
| === ScottK has an irrationally great fear of rejection. I'm always over-prepared and fearful for this kind of thing. My own little special psychosis. | ||
| ajmitch | LaserJock: and you, core-dev? | 04:21 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: the process has changed for core-dev now, fyi :) | 04:22 |
| ajmitch | I expect you'll be applying one day soon | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | well, I tried at UDS | 04:22 |
| ajmitch | oh? | 04:23 |
| === ajmitch heard rumours of such a thing | ||
| LaserJock | hehe | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | but the new procedure is for the MC to collect testimonials & give a recommendation | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | so I found out ;-) | 04:24 |
| ajmitch | (at least it's a proposed procedure) | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | dholbach was unaware of the procedure change | 04:24 |
| ajmitch | so you've got more people to bribe | 04:24 |
| ajmitch | dholbach sent out the mail about it on the 8th | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | I even updated my wiki page in preperation | 04:24 |
| ajmitch | so I presume he found out about it at UDS | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | yes | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | oli asked mdz about it | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | and mdz said I needed MC to recommend | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | so I talked with dholbach | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | who talked to mdz | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | etc. | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | heh | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | wonderful communication | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | so I'm waiting until the process is nailed down | 04:26 |
| LaserJock | which I was hoping would be quick | 04:26 |
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| LaserJock | but it'll be a few months knowing how things have gone in the past ;-) | 04:27 |
| === ScottK often finds opportunity in chaos. | ||
| ajmitch | LaserJock: maybe by the time a new TB has been voted in? :) | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | which was an urgent task at mt view | 04:27 |
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| LaserJock | haha | 04:27 |
| LaserJock | oh heah, persia is a MOTU! | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | I really wish I had a better idea of if I would make core-dev | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | my +packages page is not looking so good these days | 04:29 |
| === ScottK needs to finish the kitchen and get to bed, so good night everyone. | ||
| LaserJock | cya | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | bye ScottK | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | heh | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | "This will take place by November 21st, so that the new technical board may convene on that day." | 04:30 |
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| ajmitch | nov 21st, which year? | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | anyone | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | the power of being vague ;-) | 04:31 |
| leonel | edgy's squirrelmaill debdiff ready to upload ... | 04:34 |
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| === LongPointyStick boo | ||
| LaserJock | yikes | 04:39 |
| LongPointyStick | hehe :) | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | oh dear | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | run away | 04:39 |
| === LongPointyStick spears LaserJock | ||
| LaserJock | ouch | 04:40 |
| === LongPointyStick spears ajmitch for even thinking about running away. | ||
| LaserJock | geeze, somebody is a little grumpy from a long flight | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | obviously | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | long flight & no sleep | 04:41 |
| LongPointyStick | LaserJock: assignments, actually. | 04:41 |
| LongPointyStick | that too | 04:41 |
| effie_jayx | and jet lag | 04:43 |
| LongPointyStick | yeah | 04:44 |
| LongPointyStick | and really really hungry. | 04:44 |
| LaserJock | I'm still completely wiped out and a bit "confused" as to time, etc. | 04:44 |
| === ajmitch injects some caffeine into LongPointyStick | ||
| ajmitch | LaserJock: really? | 04:44 |
| === LongPointyStick hits the walls.. | ||
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I feel just fine | 04:45 |
| LaserJock | I think if I would have just come home and stayed there I would have been a bit better off | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | heh | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | then yesterday I had 5 hrs straight of grading/proctoring starting at 9:00am | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | a little "welcome home" present ;-) | 04:47 |
| LongPointyStick | ajmitch: lucky you. | 04:47 |
| LongPointyStick | LaserJock: ugh | 04:47 |
| effie_jayx | LongPointyStick, this might help http://flickr.com/photos/gyrm/500234081/ | 04:47 |
| effie_jayx | :D | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I took 1 day off, and then was back at work at 8:30 this morning | 04:48 |
| ajmitch | mmm, pizza | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | is that broccoli? | 04:48 |
| === ajmitch did just have lunch with a few canonical people today | ||
| chillywilly | hi | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | I think I'd have to fly somewhere to get lunch with a Canonical person | 04:49 |
| LaserJock | I wonder who's closest to me | 04:49 |
| LaserJock | probably keescook | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | hi chillywilly | 04:49 |
| LongPointyStick | effie_jayx: i probably shouldnt look | 04:49 |
| effie_jayx | LongPointyStick, hehe... | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | closest to me is about 10-15 min walk away | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | dunedin is a nice small city | 04:50 |
| LongPointyStick | yet | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | LongPointyStick: not had breakfast either? | 04:50 |
| === LaserJock grabs LongPointyStick and stabs ajmitch | ||
| ajmitch | LaserJock: but why?! | 04:50 |
| Amaranth | anyone wanna test my new crack? | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: no | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | no | 04:50 |
| Amaranth | heh | 04:50 |
| === Fujitsu attacks Amaranth with LongPointyStick. | ||
| Amaranth | no one likes bling :/ | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | I'm wary of Amaranth crack ;-p | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | is it compizy bling? | 04:51 |
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| ajmitch | Amaranth: I'm on an etch box that has some really crappy sis video chipset | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | so no bling for me | 04:51 |
| Amaranth | it's compiz-0.5.0+git20070515 | 04:51 |
| Amaranth | for gutsy | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | yeah, the only machine I can get to use compiz is my server | 04:52 |
| Amaranth | err, 14 | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | go figure | 04:52 |
| Fujitsu | Amaranth: Why so old? | 04:52 |
| Amaranth | haha | 04:52 |
| Fujitsu | You can't have out of date cutting-edge blink. | 04:53 |
| Fujitsu | *bling | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | I'm just trying mundane things like figuring out what the heck this C++ line does: | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | gcpReactionsPlugin::gcpReactionsPlugin (): gcp::Plugin () | 04:53 |
| Amaranth | the only update worth snagging from the 15th is a check for xsltproc | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I forgot about my blogs while at UES/UDS | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | I suppose I need to do a Behind MOTU | 04:56 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: yep | 04:57 |
| ajmitch | who's the lucky victim this time? | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | hmmmmmm | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | a shiny new MOTU might make an enticing victim | 04:59 |
| ajmitch | that definitely rules me out ;) | 04:59 |
| StevenK | And me, I might add. | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | hmm, StevenK would be a good one | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | mwuahaha | 04:59 |
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| StevenK | Can I refuse? :-P | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | I guess I must be an old timer now. I got an LP team timeout notice today ;-) | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | StevenK: nope | 05:00 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: oh really? | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | for edubuntu-bugsquad | 05:01 |
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| LaserJock | it must have been a 1 year term | 05:01 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: If you want to, make me a victim. | 05:02 |
| === ajmitch must be expiring from a few teams soon | ||
| ajmitch | like motu | 05:02 |
| superm1 | with all these motu's here in the room at once - someone want to offer a few moments for a revu? | 05:03 |
| LaserJock | * MOTUs scatter * | 05:03 |
| === ajmitch points at LaserJock | ||
| superm1 | haha | 05:04 |
| StevenK | superm1: We're here to socalise, not do work! | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | superm1: what's the revu URL? | 05:04 |
| superm1 | http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=5140 | 05:04 |
| superm1 | mythbuntu-artwork-usplash | 05:04 |
| StevenK | Come on LP, tell me when my memberships expire. | 05:04 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: persia was approved yesterday. He'd make a fine victim^Wcandidate. | 05:06 |
| StevenK | Oh, I have an idea. | 05:07 |
| StevenK | Why doesn't Behind MOTU interview LaserJock. | 05:07 |
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| LaserJock | uhhh, no | 05:07 |
| === StevenK smirks. | ||
| LaserJock | not yet at least ;-) | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | I might put something up eventually | 05:07 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: Ahh, this is your plan. You want to drive the spotlight and not be in it. | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | even though it'd feel weird interviewing myself | 05:08 |
| crimsun | thankfully I won't be interviewable, as I expire from MOTU & ubuntu-dev shortly. =) | 05:08 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: Get him! | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:08 |
| StevenK | crimsun: Now you've done it. Draw attention to yourself and LaserJock's "lasers" will find you. | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | so now I have 3 handy victims | 05:09 |
| crimsun | easily deflected by ALSA bugs. | 05:09 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: So you're into foursomes? | 05:09 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: 3? | 05:09 |
| StevenK | Ew, I think I just grossed myself out. | 05:09 |
| LaserJock | persia, StevenK, and crimsun | 05:09 |
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| ajmitch | StevenK: please go & sit in the corner for a few weeks | 05:10 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: What do you think I did while you were off enjoying UDS? | 05:10 |
| StevenK | </bitterness> | 05:10 |
| ajmitch | hey now, uds was hard work | 05:11 |
| StevenK | I'm suspecting not as hard or demanding as $DAY_JOB, though. | 05:11 |
| StevenK | I should shut up. The headache I'm developing is getting worse. | 05:12 |
| LaserJock | I find UDSs much more demanding than $DAY_JOB | 05:14 |
| LaserJock | but my day job is fairly undemanding for the most part | 05:15 |
| StevenK | It depends on how demanding $DAY_JOB is. | 05:15 |
| StevenK | For the most part, I have a large list of things to do, and for the last few weeks I've felt like it isn't getting any better. | 05:16 |
| Fujitsu | Wow, Microsoft has some really nice patents. I just found the one covering Microsoft BOB. | 05:17 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: Does it mention that the user interface can be used to scare small children? | 05:17 |
| Fujitsu | StevenK: Unfortunately not. | 05:17 |
| Fujitsu | Oh my, they have patents over computers controlling cars. | 05:20 |
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| LaserJock | no wonder my car doesn't work sometimes | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | it's XP crashing ;-) | 05:21 |
| StevenK | I do wonder if the Microsoft BOB patent is being waved against us. | 05:21 |
| === Fujitsu warns Beryl about the cursor-locating thing. | ||
| Fujitsu | StevenK: It probably is. | 05:21 |
| StevenK | What the hell for? :-P | 05:21 |
| Fujitsu | How can such trivial things as pressing the Ctrl key to indicate where the cursor is be patentable? | 05:22 |
| Lathiat | it sounds dumb | 05:22 |
| Lathiat | but you'd be surprised how much bullshit gets patented | 05:22 |
| StevenK | No we wouldn't. | 05:22 |
| Lathiat | such stupidly simple basic concepts | 05:22 |
| Lathiat | i.e. amazons "one click shopping" | 05:22 |
| Lathiat | oh noes we reduced shopping to one click to order and post it | 05:23 |
| Lathiat | PATENT! | 05:23 |
| === Lathiat tests the feisty upgrader (from edgy) on his work desktop | ||
| Fujitsu | Oh, sorry, this patent only covers drawing concentric geometric shapes around the cursor, not water ripples. | 05:23 |
| === Lathiat laughs | ||
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: beryl needs a burning cursor | 05:23 |
| StevenK | Now that'd be cool. | 05:24 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: and if you move the cursor over a window | 05:24 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: Concentric circles of fire, even better. | 05:24 |
| Lathiat | it closes it in flames | 05:24 |
| Fujitsu | Lathiat: Hahah. | 05:24 |
| Lathiat | UNPRECEDENTED USABILITY AND FUNCTIONALITY!!111eleventy-one1 | 05:24 |
| === Lathiat files a patent | ||
| StevenK | No no, if you leave the cursor over a window for too long it bursts into flames. | 05:24 |
| Lathiat | for extra fun | 05:24 |
| Lathiat | do it to the root window | 05:24 |
| Lathiat | and have it log you out | 05:24 |
| StevenK | Hah | 05:25 |
| Fujitsu | Hah. | 05:25 |
| StevenK | Nautilus might have something to say about that. | 05:25 |
| Lathiat | hrm i keep getting that stupid "which md arrays do you need to boot" question on feisty upgrades | 05:25 |
| StevenK | Given it seems to be do nefarious things to get a desktop background and it isn't the root window. | 05:25 |
| Lathiat | nautilus doesn't paint on the root window? | 05:26 |
| StevenK | I thought it had its own? | 05:26 |
| Lathiat | i noticed somethign weird once | 05:26 |
| Lathiat | i managed to get nautilus's root window | 05:26 |
| Lathiat | into its own floating window | 05:26 |
| StevenK | For example, xsetroot doesn't work with KDE or Nautilus. | 05:27 |
| keescook | LaserJock: ya know, I that you were at UDS, but I totally failed to find you and introduce myself. I managed to put a face to a name for almost everyone else. /me is ashamed | 05:27 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: xplanet breaks too | 05:27 |
| ajmitch | keescook: he ran away early | 05:27 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Sounds about right. | 05:27 |
| keescook | ajmitch: ah, did he? | 05:28 |
| ScottK | keescook: Did you see that leonel uploaded the Edgy debdiff for squirrelmail. | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | keescook: I vaguely recall meeting you there :) | 05:28 |
| keescook | ScottK: yeah, just saw the email. I'll get it spun up. | 05:28 |
| ScottK | OK. Great. | 05:28 |
| LaserJock | keescook: I did see you, but I was too busy to introduce myself | 05:28 |
| keescook | ajmitch: hehe. btw, have you got those selinux bits? | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | keescook: yeah, on the laptop | 05:28 |
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| ajmitch | but I'm at work, and the laptop isn't :) | 05:29 |
| ScottK | keescook: There is a new clamav merge to do. Don't worry about it, I've started on it. | 05:29 |
| keescook | ajmitch: hehe. I understand -- I have notes on mine I still need to pull | 05:29 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: What are you doing working without your laptop? | 05:29 |
| keescook | ScottK: very cool; yeah, please take it. :) | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: using a debian box at work instead? | 05:29 |
| === ScottK is learning new bits about inits as I think they solved some of the same problems in this update we did before in our diff, just in a different way. Yeah. Testing... | ||
| ajmitch | keescook: I'll look at samba in a couple of hours too | 05:30 |
| keescook | ajmitch: awesome. :) | 05:32 |
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| === ajmitch may need to invest in some alcohol to ease the pain | ||
| StevenK | Of the samba merge? | 05:33 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: partly | 05:33 |
| ajmitch | I've done it in the past, but I need to get a good summary of what each patch we carry does | 05:34 |
| === ajmitch also needs to work on a couple of his other packages, including some nasty ones | ||
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| LaserJock | darn, I did have to pick a 0ubuntu1 package to try to merge | 05:51 |
| === Fujitsu watches apt{-get,itude} be taken out by a Microsoft patent. | ||
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Is that a problem? | 05:51 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: why is that a problem? | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | well, I gotta figure out if there was anything Ubuntu-specific about the package | 05:53 |
| keescook | hm, where's the gpg key for keyring@tiber.tauware.de ? doing a key search doesn't find it. | 05:54 |
| Fujitsu | interdiffing of the .diff.gzs is your friend. | 05:54 |
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| ajmitch | keescook: I don't think there is one | 05:54 |
| ajmitch | keescook: is it needed? | 05:54 |
| keescook | "Please send a signed and encrypted mail with your password and GnuPG keyid to [MAILTO] keyring@tiber.tauware.de. We will mark you as Reviewer in the database." | 05:54 |
| ajmitch | keescook: interesting, where did you see that? | 05:55 |
| === Fujitsu hasn't seen that instruction before. | ||
| keescook | I can't send it encrypted without that... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU | 05:55 |
| Fujitsu | I thought it was more like `talk to a REVU admin' | 05:55 |
| keescook | optionally, can someone set me as a reviewer? :) | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | keescook: depends on whether we can agree on a price | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | whatever ajmitch's price I'll got $10 less ;-) | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | s/got/go/ | 05:56 |
| StevenK | Then that case, ajmitch say $9. | 05:56 |
| === keescook fishes around in his leftover euro coins | ||
| keescook | Sweet, I'll kick back 50% of the $1 profit to StevenK | 05:57 |
| StevenK | Nice. :-) | 05:57 |
| StevenK | Actually 50 euro cents probably won't even cover postage here. :-P | 05:57 |
| keescook | d'oh | 05:58 |
| keescook | ack, gotta sleep. ttyl | 05:58 |
| Fujitsu | Bye, keescook. | 05:59 |
| ScottK | Fujitsu: This is going to rebound on them. | 05:59 |
| ScottK | The patent thing. | 05:59 |
| Fujitsu | ScottK: It had better. | 05:59 |
| Fujitsu | But the FUD is likely to cause a lot of image damage to F/LOSS | 05:59 |
| ScottK | Well I'd been working (in another Open Source project with a guy at MS on trying to get some common definitions on related stuff between our project and theirs. | 06:00 |
| ajmitch | keescook: I was about to ask, do you have a revu account already? | 06:00 |
| ajmitch | ah, found it | 06:00 |
| === ScottK just e-mailed him and told him I wasn't going to bother with it. | ||
| ScottK | We | 06:00 |
| ScottK | We'll go our way and stuff them (was more polite in the email). | 06:00 |
| Fujitsu | Remember that Linux doesn't exist in 2007. | 06:00 |
| ajmitch | keescook: done | 06:01 |
| StevenK | ScottK: You shouldn't blame the guy just because of his choice of employer, surely? | 06:01 |
| StevenK | Or is it a Microsoft project? | 06:01 |
| ScottK | StevenK: I was polite, I just said that there was no will in the community to work with MS anymore. | 06:01 |
| ScottK | It's a MS project | 06:01 |
| StevenK | Ah, okay. | 06:01 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, that's understandable then. | 06:01 |
| StevenK | In that case, I agree with you. | 06:01 |
| ScottK | There is some overlap between what they want to do and what we are doing. | 06:02 |
| Fujitsu | Which project, may I ask? | 06:02 |
| ScottK | Fujitsu: PM? | 06:02 |
| Fujitsu | ScottK: Sure. | 06:02 |
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| LaserJock | hmmm, how interesting | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | checking for python module gtk... X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | wow, how is it possible that we have so few Universe merges to do? | 06:12 |
| StevenK | Because we're so talented and good looking. | 06:12 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: We had about 340 to start with. | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | there are quite a few more Main merges than Universe | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | because most people that work on main were at UDS | 06:14 |
| ajmitch | and changes to packages to main are often more involved | 06:14 |
| === StevenK ought to find a few more main merges to do. | ||
| === ajmitch has a few to do | ||
| StevenK | I had one that was mine, and I did it. | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to do one now | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | but neither the feisty or unstable sources build in my pbuilder | 06:16 |
| StevenK | I'm pondering hitting up doko or mvo. | 06:16 |
| superm1 | LaserJock, did you get around to looking at that revu (or just its on the todo)? | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | well, I was just trying to build it | 06:28 |
| superm1 | ah okay | 06:28 |
| crimsun | speaking of which, superm1 seems like a good candidate, as he has done work with mythtv. | 06:28 |
| superm1 | candidate.....? | 06:29 |
| crimsun | superm1: we're going to torture you with feathers. | 06:29 |
| superm1 | oh no, i'm going onto LaserJock's blog arent i..... | 06:29 |
| superm1 | :) | 06:29 |
| === LaserJock pulls out his "Harrass people in MOTU" book and marks down superm1 | ||
| superm1 | LaserJock, is there a standard questionaire to fill out, or a full out interview you do? | 06:33 |
| tonyyarusso | Why is the dev I'm trying to work with MIA all the time... | 06:33 |
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| LaserJock | tonyyarusso: time zones? | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | superm1: I make it up as I go ;-) | 06:34 |
| tonyyarusso | LaserJock: nah, e-mail doesn't work either | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | superm1: left a comment for you | 06:34 |
| superm1 | Thx LaserJock | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | superm1: it looks quite good packaging-wise | 06:34 |
| superm1 | i did clean up the license though - | 06:34 |
| superm1 | and took out the update-alternatives that was unnecessary | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | you sure you uploaded that? | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | doh, I see it now | 06:35 |
| superm1 | were you looking at an older upload? | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | kinda | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | but you still have 1 more update-alternatives --remove | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | I thought minghua's suggestion of doing a test for it first was good | 06:37 |
| superm1 | that one should be there | 06:37 |
| superm1 | the one that he was talking about removing was for an older named version | 06:38 |
| superm1 | that wasnt in use | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | is anything in there CC? | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | why was CC license in debian/copyright | 06:39 |
| superm1 | because the artwork was going to be CC | 06:40 |
| superm1 | but the author agreed to just make it GPL for simplicities sake | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | k | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | k, left another comment ;-) | 06:40 |
| superm1 | k thx | 06:41 |
| superm1 | LaserJock, how long would this feather torture take? I was going to go to bed in ~20-30 min | 06:42 |
| jmg | lawl | 06:42 |
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| LaserJock | superm1: I've got to go to bed to | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | superm1: I'll probably email you within a few days | 06:49 |
| superm1 | okay | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | I'm so busy playing catch-up at work | 06:49 |
| superm1 | :) | 06:49 |
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| TheMuso | Hey all. | 07:24 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:46 |
| Fujitsu | Hi dholbach. | 08:47 |
| dholbach | hey Fujitsu | 08:48 |
| === elkbuntu_ hugs dholbach | ||
| === dholbach hugs elkbuntu back | ||
| elkbuntu | how are you dear? | 08:52 |
| crimsun | I'll be allowing my memberships to expire. | 08:52 |
| dholbach | crimsun: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! pleeeeeeeease! | 08:53 |
| dholbach | crimsun: when will that happen? | 08:53 |
| dholbach | elkbuntu: quite good - thank you.... how are you? | 08:53 |
| elkbuntu | dholbach, tired still ;) | 08:53 |
| Fujitsu | Hi elkbuntu. | 08:54 |
| === elkbuntu pouts at crimsun | ||
| crimsun | dholbach: tomorrow. | 08:54 |
| Fujitsu | Nooooooooooooooooooo | 08:54 |
| dholbach | crimsun: which membership is that? | 08:54 |
| === elkbuntu clutches to crimsun and whimpers | ||
| crimsun | ubuntu-dev | 08:54 |
| crimsun | and motu, too, apparently. | 08:55 |
| dholbach | crimsun: are you going to re-apply at some stage? | 08:55 |
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| Fujitsu | dholbach: No, he's going to leave us to drown in ALSA. | 08:56 |
| crimsun | dholbach: I'm not sure. I'll continue to contribute through patches, but I need to step back drastically due to work and school. | 08:56 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: ALSA's just fine. 7.10 will have much improved support thanks to the legwork we've been putting in in #alsa. | 08:56 |
| dholbach | crimsun: I hope all the best for you! | 08:56 |
| === dholbach hugs crimsun | ||
| Fujitsu | :-/ | 08:58 |
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| crimsun | man, you guys and gals are rockin'. Ubuntu is going to continue to rock, so don't worry. Besides, you're gaining persia and Scot.tK shortly! | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | dholbach! | 09:03 |
| dholbach | heya ajmitch | 09:03 |
| TheMuso | Heya folks,. | 09:03 |
| Fujitsu | Hey TheMuso.. | 09:03 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: your ubuntu-dev/motu membership may expire, but that means nothing for your upload rights | 09:04 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: moot issue, since I'll be feeding patches as I have time (which is the real killer for me) | 09:05 |
| ajmitch | you have until 2008-06-05 | 09:05 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: Sorry to see you go. You have been a great help to the Ubuntu develoment community. | 09:08 |
| TheMuso | More to the point, a great assett. | 09:08 |
| ajmitch | definitely | 09:08 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: we couldn't have got here without you | 09:08 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: I'm not disappearing, just abiding by the Code to state I'm not going to be able to lift for a while. | 09:08 |
| elkbuntu | we all know he'll be back. they aaaalways come back ;) | 09:09 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: Ok, but even so. | 09:09 |
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| Treenaks | hey Burgundavia | 09:12 |
| Treenaks | Burgundavia: still in Seville? | 09:12 |
| Burgundavia | naw, Madrid | 09:12 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: how's madrid? | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | nice | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | cooler than Sevilla and cheaper | 09:13 |
| siretart | :) | 09:13 |
| ajmitch | hi Burgundavia, siretart | 09:14 |
| Burgundavia | I see that gutsy changes is rocking again now that everybody is home | 09:14 |
| siretart | hi ajmitch & Treenaks | 09:14 |
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| Burgundavia | hey ajmitch | 09:16 |
| highvoltage | hey ajmitch, Burgundavia and siretart | 09:17 |
| ajmitch | uh oh, it's highvoltage | 09:17 |
| === highvoltage !!!!! | ||
| Burgundavia | hey highvoltage | 09:18 |
| === siretart hugs highvoltage | ||
| Burgundavia | I need to move to this timezone | 09:20 |
| Burgundavia | so much more stuff happens | 09:20 |
| highvoltage | siretart: thanks, you can let go now :) | 09:21 |
| siretart | hrhr | 09:21 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: heh, and here I thought that more stuff happens in the US timezone :) | 09:23 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 09:23 |
| Treenaks | Burgundavia: you.. hobbsee.. everyone wants to move to Europe ;) | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | now I just need an interesting job | 09:27 |
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| Treenaks | Burgundavia: lots of those over here ;) | 09:28 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: an interesting job can be both a blessing and a curse | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | oh indeed | 09:28 |
| Treenaks | highvoltage: 'May you live in interesting times' :)_ | 09:29 |
| === highvoltage wouldn't have it any other way though | ||
| Burgundavia | may you work for an interesting company | 09:29 |
| highvoltage | Treenaks: yes :) | 09:29 |
| imbrandon | moins all | 09:32 |
| ajmitch | hi imbrandon | 09:34 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 09:35 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: no, you're ajmitch :) | 09:35 |
| === imbrandon is sadened by the news from crimsun but totaly understands, there /are/ other things in life besides Ubuntu , as much as we sometimes would like to not think so | ||
| ajmitch | imbrandon: really? | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, good luck and hopefully your heiatus(sp?) is toooo long :) | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, hehehe | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | /s/is/isnt | 09:37 |
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| ranf | hi | 09:53 |
| ranf | Are there any simple jobs to do? For a starter like me. | 10:10 |
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| crimsun | ranf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO , see the bitesize ones | 10:11 |
| ranf | crimsun, I'll go looking... | 10:12 |
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| ranf | bug #113368 I can confirm. The debian version has this bug too. Should I file this bug in Debian BTS? | 11:10 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 113368 in proftpd-dfsg "Proftpd 1.3.0 (Ubuntu 7.0.4) Standard Config File wrong (Typo) at section "RequireValidShells"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113368 | 11:11 |
| ranf | I've already made a dpatch for it. | 11:12 |
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| imbrandon | ranf, sure | 11:16 |
| ranf | imbrandon, k on my way. | 11:18 |
| wolfeon | man | 11:21 |
| wolfeon | I've been telling myself I'd file the python-fam bug all this week :/ | 11:21 |
| wolfeon | I've been wanting to make a patch/package for updating... :( | 11:21 |
| === proppy hugs dholbach | ||
| === dholbach hugs proppy back | ||
| proppy | how dy ? :) | 11:23 |
| dholbach | quite good - how are you? | 11:24 |
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| proppy | dholbach: nice, (installing poker server for peoples) | 11:30 |
| proppy | i looked forward automation of apt, | 11:34 |
| proppy | cause debootstrap can't resolve dependency when asked to install additional package | 11:35 |
| proppy | there is some interactive stuff i can't skip (even with DEB_FRONTEND=noninteractive) | 11:35 |
| proppy | maybe i should give python-apt a try | 11:36 |
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| proppy | i believe that's what apport-retrace use for creating chroot ? | 11:37 |
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| siretart | dholbach: I just wanted to tell you that I've starting mentoring a hopeful using bzr branches on launchpad. works great so far | 12:19 |
| dholbach | siretart: woah - that's great news | 12:25 |
| dholbach | siretart: I'm going to write up a proposal for the mentoring process later and ask for comments on the list | 12:25 |
| slomo | bluekuja: the farsight plugins are just broken, don't worry about them anymore :) | 12:30 |
| bluekuja | slomo: ok great :) | 12:31 |
| slomo | bluekuja: not great... annoying :) | 12:34 |
| bluekuja | slomo :D | 12:35 |
| bluekuja | slomo: tell me when it will be fixed | 12:35 |
| slomo | bluekuja: when we have gstreamer/gst-plugins-base 0.10.13 and there is a new gst-plugins-farsight release :) | 12:36 |
| bluekuja | slomo: ok then :) | 12:36 |
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| imbrandon | gawd i love google | 12:43 |
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| togr | hi | 12:44 |
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| togr | I reported bug #113803 on launchpad | 12:47 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 113803 in python-scientific "Python-netcdf crashes in Feisty" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113803 | 12:47 |
| togr | and I was going to test the fix | 12:47 |
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| togr | tips/howto on building packages from deb-src + patches? | 12:51 |
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| togr | tips/howto on building packages from deb-src + patches? | 01:16 |
| Lutin | togr: ? | 01:18 |
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| togr | hi | 01:26 |
| togr | Lutin, I reported bug #113803 on launchpad | 01:27 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 113803 in python-scientific "Python-netcdf crashes in Feisty" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113803 | 01:27 |
| togr | and I was going to test the fix | 01:27 |
| togr | now I'm looking for tips/howto on building packages from deb-src + patches? | 01:28 |
| ranf | togr, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics | 01:35 |
| togr | thanks, looks like just what I was looking for | 01:39 |
| medoc92 | Hello. I have submitted a package for recoll http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4933 . It's been sitting there so long that someone later/recently submitted a debian package now in unstable http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/recoll.html . Does this means that the one on revu should now be updated and based on the debian one ? | 01:40 |
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| StevenK | medoc92: Yup. | 01:40 |
| pochu | or simply request a sync :) | 01:42 |
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| medoc92 | pochu: what is "request a sync" ? What of the revu entry then ? | 01:45 |
| pochu | medoc92: since the package is already in Debian, we can import it. That's a sync from Debian | 01:45 |
| pochu | medoc92: you can still take care of that package (bug reports, packaging issues, report bugs to debian and upstream...) | 01:46 |
| medoc92 | pochu: Ok, I "request a sync" then. Is this enough ? :) I guess that the entry on revu needs to be nuked too. | 01:48 |
| pochu | medoc92: I don't know whether the revu entry should be removed | 01:49 |
| pochu | medoc92: maybe a revu admin knows it :) | 01:49 |
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| pochu | medoc92: oh, and it's enough, yes ;) | 01:50 |
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| xxxxx1 | morning! | 01:50 |
| medoc92 | pochu: thanks | 01:51 |
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| pochu | medoc92: you're welcome | 01:52 |
| ScottK | togr: Did you find what you need? | 02:01 |
| ScottK | wolfeon: Did you file your python-fam bug? | 02:01 |
| ScottK | Good morning all. | 02:02 |
| togr | ScottK, I think so yes | 02:02 |
| ScottK | togr: OK. Let us know. Now that there is a fix in Gutsy, there may be a move to give Feisty an update since the bug causes a crash. That'll need testing too. | 02:03 |
| togr | I can test the fix without adding packages for Gutsy, right? | 02:04 |
| ScottK | Yes | 02:04 |
| ScottK | Download the source package from Gutsy, and then compile and install it locally. | 02:05 |
| ScottK | Within the Debian package management system that isn't actually very hard. | 02:05 |
| togr | so I do as in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics, replacing edgy with gutsy_ | 02:06 |
| togr | ? | 02:06 |
| === ScottK looks to make sure | ||
| ScottK | There's a shortcut you can take. | 02:08 |
| === ScottK gets a url. | ||
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| ScottK | togr: Download the script at http://revu.tauware.de/~laserjock/pbuilder-feisty and after installing the pbuilder pacakge run it as sh /path to script/pbuilder-feisty create | 02:09 |
| ScottK | Then run it as sh /path to script/pbuilder build packagename-version.dsc | 02:10 |
| ScottK | You'll also need to get the updated source. | 02:10 |
| togr | run it as pbuilder-feisty or pbuilder-gutsy? | 02:10 |
| ScottK | feisty | 02:11 |
| togr | (maybe I should just try it) | 02:11 |
| ScottK | You want to build the package to run on Feisty, right? | 02:11 |
| davromaniak | hi here | 02:11 |
| togr | yes | 02:11 |
| togr | ah | 02:11 |
| davromaniak | anybody knows how to add backports repo in a pbuilder ??? | 02:11 |
| ScottK | You can get the source using dget =x http://librarian.launchpad.net/7655629/python-scientific_2.4.11-1ubuntu1.dsc | 02:11 |
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| ScottK | davromaniak: Generically you open up a pbuilder session, edit the pbuilder namespace's sources.list and then exit saving changes. I don't have the exact procedure. | 02:14 |
| davromaniak | ok | 02:14 |
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| togr | hmm, setting up pbuilder is not trivial I see | 02:15 |
| davromaniak | I'm gonna try to customize my .pbuilderrc with OTHERMIRROR | 02:15 |
| Fujitsu | It's pretty close to trivial. | 02:16 |
| togr | easy to do -- but involves getting lots of packages anew | 02:16 |
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| ScottK | togr: There's a lot of stuff that happens, but fortunately you don't have to to much of it. | 02:17 |
| togr | ScottK, exactly. "trivial" can mean different things | 02:17 |
| togr | hope I have the disk space for this | 02:17 |
| ScottK | BTW, togr, welcome. I'm glad my comment on the bug was sufficient to get you here. | 02:18 |
| joejaxx | Good Morning MOTU | 02:18 |
| togr | ;-) | 02:19 |
| ScottK | Good morning joejaxx | 02:19 |
| joejaxx | ScottK: hello :) | 02:19 |
| Amaranth | http://www.flickr.com/photos/8294638@N02/499352340/in/set-72157600219769319/ | 02:21 |
| Amaranth | spooky | 02:21 |
| Amaranth | ;) | 02:21 |
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| togr | ScottK, for 'sh pbuilder build pname-version.dsc', is it important what name the pbuilder script has? | 02:30 |
| togr | e.g. should it still be named 'pbuilder-feisty'? | 02:30 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 02:30 |
| ScottK | You can copy the same script and use if for multiple releases by changing it's name. | 02:31 |
| === ScottK has pbuilder-dapper, edgy, feisty, gutsy, sarge, and sid. | ||
| ScottK | Note that there's a slightly modified script in the same location for the Debian pbuilders. | 02:31 |
| ScottK | It points at their repos and not Ubuntu's. | 02:31 |
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| togr | so building occurs in a separate environment | 02:32 |
| togr | which has to contain all packages relevant to the current build | 02:32 |
| togr | I guess next pbuild will see a more complete environment... | 02:33 |
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| ScottK | Yes. When you pbuild you know you are always building in a clean environment. | 02:35 |
| togr | neat -- and I see how that could be useful | 02:36 |
| togr | although being a bit pressed for disk space ... | 02:36 |
| StevenK | ScottK: I have a pdebuild-multi script and symlink to it. | 02:37 |
| ScottK | You also know that only the packages that you can safely assume to be present or that are called out as a build dependency will be available, so it's a good way to make sure your build-depends are correct. | 02:37 |
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| togr | ah -- that's neat | 02:38 |
| ScottK | StevenK: Did you add it to the dev tools project? | 02:38 |
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| StevenK | ScottK: No, should I have? :-) | 02:38 |
| ScottK | If it'd be useful for other's, I'd think so. | 02:38 |
| ScottK | TheMuso, iirc, added laserjock's pbuilder scripts to it. | 02:39 |
| TheMuso | ScottK: What script you thinking of adding | 02:39 |
| StevenK | I wrote pdebuild-multi, pl-multi and pbuilder-upgrade because I know exactly what they do. | 02:40 |
| ScottK | TheMuso: StevenK said he had a pdebuild-multi script | 02:40 |
| TheMuso | ScottK: Ah ok. | 02:40 |
| togr | ScottK, you mentioned 'dget' above | 02:40 |
| ScottK | yes | 02:40 |
| StevenK | Besides, pl-gutsy is less typing than pbuilder-gutsy login | 02:40 |
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| togr | I don't seem to have it | 02:41 |
| togr | what does it do? | 02:41 |
| StevenK | togr: Install 'devscripts' | 02:41 |
| StevenK | togr: It downloads a source package for you, given the URL to the .dsc | 02:41 |
| ScottK | togr: What he said. | 02:42 |
| ScottK | togr: dget -x will unpack the source tarball and apply the debian diff so you have a complete source package ready to update, build, etc. | 02:43 |
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| togr | excellent. So '=x' above should be '-x'? | 02:43 |
| ScottK | Yes. Dunno how I typed that before. | 02:44 |
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| togr | http://librarian.launchpad.net/7655629/python-scientific_2.4.11.orig.tar.gz -> 404 Not Found | 02:46 |
| StevenK | No, it won't work for librarian links. | 02:46 |
| StevenK | The librarian is ... special | 02:47 |
| togr | now, I have the file python-scientific_2.4.11-1ubuntu1.dsc | 02:47 |
| togr | but it does not list the source or patch files | 02:48 |
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| StevenK | It, uh, ought to. | 02:48 |
| togr | Source: python-scientific | 02:48 |
| ScottK | togr: My bad I guess. I didn't know about the specialness of librarian files | 02:48 |
| togr | bah | 02:49 |
| StevenK | It isn't that, it's that the URL for every file is different which defeats how dgets downloads them. | 02:49 |
| togr | forget the last | 02:49 |
| togr | was thrown off track by the MD5 signatures | 02:49 |
| togr | :-P | 02:49 |
| togr | so a regular apt-get then? | 02:49 |
| togr | for the source, I mean | 02:50 |
| ScottK | togr: Plan B: Go here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-scientific/2.4.11-1ubuntu1 and get the orig.tar.gz and diff.gz files | 02:50 |
| ScottK | togr: Then use dpkg-source -x packagname-version.dsc to extract the source package. | 02:50 |
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| ScottK | togr: Or you could change you deb-src line for universe to gutsy, apt-get update, and then apt-get source if you want. | 02:51 |
| ScottK | That'll work too. | 02:51 |
| togr | maybe not today | 02:51 |
| togr | I feel I'm changing enough things right now | 02:51 |
| ScottK | Understand. | 02:52 |
| === togr used to know how to build RPMs | ||
| togr | but here everything is slightly different ;-) | 02:53 |
| StevenK | I'm lucky enough to never have learnt that particular skill. | 02:53 |
| togr | do I need to do dpkg-source -x or will that happen in the build root as part of pbuilder? | 02:54 |
| ScottK | Dunno, never tried it. | 02:55 |
| ScottK | That is never tried to pbuild unextracted source package. | 02:55 |
| togr | ok, it is building | 02:56 |
| StevenK | togr: You can either unpack it and run pdebuild, or not and run pbuilder-<> build <.dsc file> | 02:56 |
| togr | ok -- used the latter now | 02:57 |
| togr | now where did the resulting packages end up? | 02:59 |
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| StevenK | togr: /var/cache/pbuilder/result , probably | 03:00 |
| ranf | ~/pbuilder with laserjocks script | 03:00 |
| StevenK | Typical. | 03:00 |
| togr | yes, ~/pbuilder it is | 03:01 |
| togr | ok, final step is to install the new python-scientific packages instead of the previous ones | 03:02 |
| togr | the previous ones were 2.4.11-1build1 | 03:03 |
| togr | the ones just built are 2.4.11-1ubuntu1 | 03:04 |
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| togr | fantastic | 03:09 |
| togr | ! | 03:09 |
| togr | thanks all | 03:09 |
| togr | gotta run | 03:09 |
| \sh | is anyone able to run an X client inside a newly created debootstrap via dchroot? | 03:09 |
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| DarkSun88 | Hi all | 03:23 |
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| pgquiles | I am trying to package a library using debhelper but I am doing something is wrong. dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot installs files fine in debian/tmp/usr/lib and debian/tmp/usr/share, but then they are not copied to mylib/usr/lib, mylib/usr/share, mylib-dev/usr/lib and mylib-dev/usr/share. I am following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003. I do have debian/mylib.install and debian/mylib-dev.install | 03:24 |
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| persia | \sh: My dchroot works against schroot LVM snapshots, but dchroot -d -c gutsy 'sudo apt-get install spider; spider' worked fine. | 03:31 |
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| Lutin | togr--: why are you telling me this ? | 03:41 |
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| ScottK | Of course I thought about subscribing to the list AFTER I sent it, not before, so it needs releasing from the moderation queue.... | 03:56 |
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| superm1 | ScottK, does this mean you'll be able to do some revu's for me soon..... :P | 04:02 |
| ScottK | superm1: Only if I get accepted. | 04:02 |
| superm1 | well best of luck to you, i'm fairly confident you of all applicants will be get accepted | 04:03 |
| superm1 | from the work i've seen in the channel and such | 04:03 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 04:03 |
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| pochu | good luck ScottK | 04:04 |
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| ScottK | Thanks | 04:05 |
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| dholbach | siretart: ROCK! | 04:19 |
| siretart | ? | 04:19 |
| dholbach | MOTU/NewMentoring! | 04:19 |
| siretart | dholbach: ah. I'm already mentoring xxxxx1, so my first slot is already taken ;) | 04:20 |
| dholbach | once the front desk is up and running, they'll surely consider that :) | 04:20 |
| asac | dholbach: hope that we won't end up with a complete NM process at some point :-P | 04:20 |
| siretart | dholbach: do we already have ppl for frontdesk? | 04:20 |
| siretart | asac: no, I will personally make sure it won't | 04:21 |
| dholbach | siretart: no, not yet - would you be interested in working on that team? | 04:21 |
| siretart | dholbach: I think I would do so, at least in the beginning | 04:22 |
| dholbach | siretart: I think it'd be good to have people who know a bunch of *-dev members already | 04:22 |
| dholbach | siretart: and it'd be good to have people do the front desk for a year | 04:22 |
| dholbach | asac: I prefer a light weight process for that | 04:23 |
| dholbach | siretart: maybe we should add a "i'm interested in working on the front desk" section to that page | 04:23 |
| === dholbach adds it | ||
| asac | i like the idea to have a dedicated mentor, so we can better keep track of prospective motus progress | 04:24 |
| siretart | hm, I think the MOTU Council should just appoint two persons | 04:24 |
| dholbach | asac: definitively agreed | 04:24 |
| siretart | asac: that's the point of the FD. to have a single point where interested people can go to and dispatch them to hopefully well suited mentors | 04:25 |
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| siretart | asac: I hope we can establish good communication as soon as possible in the application process | 04:25 |
| asac | however, will there be a time-constraint? otherwise i fear that you will end up with an ever increasing amount of students :) | 04:25 |
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| siretart | asac: every mentor has to say how many slots (== applicants) he is willing to take. if there are no free slots, we need to see what to do then | 04:26 |
| asac | i mean we need a mechanism that cleans up slots automatically :) | 04:26 |
| siretart | asac: as FD I'd ask existing mentors to recheck their applicants to see if we find a free slot somewhere | 04:26 |
| StevenK | This smacks of Debian NM a little much for my liking. | 04:26 |
| Burgundavia | I know, we can use LP! | 04:26 |
| === ScottK agrees with StevenK. | ||
| siretart | StevenK: no, debian's NM process is a bunch of annoying queue where you wait for nothing to happen | 04:27 |
| === ScottK likes the current system. | ||
| asac | as long as there are no rules of how to proceed its just a "mentoring" programm | 04:27 |
| StevenK | siretart: Ooooh, bitter much? | 04:27 |
| asac | dholbach: maybe we should not use words already wasted in debian nm, like "frontdesk" | 04:27 |
| === ScottK is generally against process stuff anyway. | ||
| dholbach | asac: if you have a better word, please change it in the proposal | 04:28 |
| StevenK | I agree with ScottK - I like the current system. | 04:28 |
| StevenK | People come here and beg and we help them. | 04:28 |
| dholbach | but there are a lot of people who need the guidance of a dedicated mentor | 04:28 |
| asac | dholbach: reception :-P | 04:28 |
| siretart | StevenK: I went through the process there. I do know it ;) | 04:28 |
| dholbach | I got ~90 mentoring requests in the last year | 04:28 |
| StevenK | siretart: So do I. | 04:29 |
| dholbach | most of those were not comfortable joining #ubuntu-motu and fighting their way through documentation and long todo lists | 04:29 |
| StevenK | siretart: And I've been a DD since mid 2001, and I know it used to be worse. | 04:29 |
| dholbach | ScottK: I added a blurb saying that "jumping right in and helping out" is appreciated and absolutely OK | 04:29 |
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| dholbach | so this is not a mandatory process | 04:30 |
| ScottK | dholbach: OK. I don't mind adding structure for people who need/want it. Just want to avoid requiring it. | 04:30 |
| siretart | StevenK: I'm not very comfortable to give newcomers a huge lot of (excellent) documentation to read and expect them to immediately produce excellent packages | 04:30 |
| dholbach | ScottK: agreed | 04:30 |
| StevenK | Is this going to augment things like MOTU School? | 04:30 |
| StevenK | Or replace? | 04:30 |
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| siretart | StevenK: I'd prefer to assign applicatants to a person who cares for them and reviews what he is doing. this way we get much better application reports for the MOTU Council as well | 04:31 |
| dholbach | asac: "reception" if fine with me | 04:31 |
| siretart | StevenK: I think this is going to assist MOTU School | 04:31 |
| ScottK | siretart: What I've mostly been doing is walking people through the process one or two times on IRC for bug fixes and then they charge off on their own. | 04:31 |
| dholbach | yes | 04:31 |
| StevenK | siretart: Oh, absolutely agreed. Debian packaging is subtle enough that it requires a bit of time. | 04:31 |
| StevenK | siretart: Can I suggest the term 'saint' instead of 'mentor' Since they might require the patience of? :-P | 04:32 |
| ScottK | All people need is enough to do a little bit on their own they they can generally bootstrap themselves after that with some guidance and feedback. | 04:32 |
| === dholbach does not qualify as 'saint' ;-) | ||
| ScottK | sensei | 04:32 |
| StevenK | dholbach: Yup. I have a few bug reports of yours as evidence. :-P | 04:32 |
| psusi | is it just me or is debconf not used much these days? | 04:32 |
| siretart | what's the problem with 'mentor'? is it too overloaded? if yes, by which? | 04:33 |
| dholbach | ScottK: the more they bootstrap themselves, the better - but it's nice to have a good and light weight process running, which helps them through the worst | 04:33 |
| dholbach | StevenK: hehe :) | 04:33 |
| dholbach | please leave more comments on the wiki page | 04:33 |
| ScottK | siretart: I'd say it's overloaded as what is proposed here for mentor is (I think) not quite the same as what Debian means by mentor. | 04:33 |
| dholbach | so our conversation in here doesn't get lost | 04:33 |
| StevenK | psusi: Of the 1,346 packages installed on my machine, 871 import the debconf confmodule in their postinst. | 04:34 |
| psusi | ohh wow | 04:34 |
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| StevenK | psusi: So it's just you. :-P | 04:34 |
| psusi | last time I did a dpkg-reconfigure it didn't find that many packages to configure | 04:34 |
| siretart | ScottK: debian calls it 'AM' (application manager) | 04:34 |
| StevenK | But why would you do that? | 04:35 |
| psusi | to see what there was to change ;) | 04:35 |
| ScottK | siretart: Thanks. I'm not an expert on the Debian NM process (learned enough to decide it's more trouble than it's worth for me). | 04:35 |
| StevenK | Okay, can we stop drawing parallels between this process and NM? They have completly seperates goals and problems they are trying to solve. | 04:35 |
| siretart | dholbach: regarding the discussion about the file format, I think we should go with a CSV file, at least at the beginning | 04:36 |
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| dholbach | WFM | 04:36 |
| psusi | I'm going to try and help fix a conflicted merge generated by mom.... I'm used to doing three way merges on windows with tortoiseSVN... how can you do that in linux? | 04:36 |
| StevenK | psusi: diff3 | 04:36 |
| dholbach | I updated the page with some of the comments | 04:37 |
| psusi | isn't that just the command line diff? not a gui side by side viewer? | 04:37 |
| dholbach | please add whatever I forgot | 04:37 |
| StevenK | Correct. | 04:37 |
| siretart | we can easily convert CSV to everything, and it is easily editable by texteditors. even merges and diffs work fine with them | 04:37 |
| psusi | right... so how do I view the diff3 output then? ;) | 04:37 |
| siretart | psusi: if you use emacs, have a look at the 'ediff' package. You might also try out 'meld' | 04:37 |
| dholbach | siretart: WFM | 04:37 |
| siretart | (which is a standalone gtk application) | 04:38 |
| psusi | hrm... ok... guess I'll have to start learning ediff | 04:38 |
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| StevenK | psusi: There is also fldiff, imediff2, kompare, mgdiff, tkdiff, xfdiff and xxdiff. | 04:39 |
| dothebart | ajmitch: did you reload the keychain? | 04:39 |
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| dothebart | i forgot to do the email decryption... | 04:39 |
| psusi | wow | 04:40 |
| dothebart | StevenK: don't you forget meld. | 04:40 |
| ScottK | psusi: There's also print them out, line them up side by side, and get out your pen (but I'm really old compared to everyone else here - AFAIK). | 04:40 |
| StevenK | dothebart: That was pointed out previously, along with ediff. | 04:41 |
| dothebart | ah ok... | 04:41 |
| StevenK | ScottK: Do you do merges with scissors and glue, too? | 04:41 |
| psusi | lol | 04:41 |
| ScottK | StevenK: Not in about 25 years, but I may be about to re-adopt the process to figure out the latest clamav merge. | 04:42 |
| StevenK | Bwaha | 04:42 |
| StevenK | I've started keeping state in a text editor for larger merges. | 04:42 |
| StevenK | bacula required roughly 50 lines of notes | 04:43 |
| StevenK | Anyway, time to sleep. | 04:44 |
| ScottK | Good night StevenK | 04:44 |
| StevenK | Night! | 04:44 |
| dholbach | night StevenK | 04:44 |
| siretart | dholbach: would you volunteer to work in FD? | 04:46 |
| dholbach | yes, but it'd be nice if it was somebody else for once :) | 04:47 |
| dholbach | but yeah, I'd do it | 04:47 |
| siretart | I was thinking about writing some lines about mentoring based on the experience I make with xxxxx1 right now | 04:48 |
| dholbach | good idea | 04:48 |
| siretart | I'll be at LUG-Camp starting from tomorrow until sunday. I won't be offline, but I don't know how stable my internet connection will be | 04:49 |
| siretart | I'll start writing some notes there and share it with you | 04:49 |
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| dholbach | thanks alot siretart | 04:52 |
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| Daviey | Hi, can i have to use debhelper for packages submitted to REVU? | 04:56 |
| Daviey | that should read "Do i have to...2 | 04:57 |
| siretart | Daviey: depends on your reviewer ;) | 04:57 |
| siretart | serious: as long as you don't use yada, I think it'll be fine | 04:58 |
| Daviey | Can i use the structure for: dpkg-deb --build | 04:58 |
| siretart | that sounds crackful | 04:58 |
| Daviey | I'm building a package that does little more than extract to a location | 04:59 |
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| siretart | Daviey: like in shipping data or like in shipping precompiled binaries? | 05:02 |
| Daviey | siretart, two packages in mind - one is just a shell script | font package | 05:03 |
| siretart | Daviey: how about contributing them to an existing package instead? | 05:04 |
| Daviey | can't see how?! | 05:04 |
| siretart | sorry? | 05:04 |
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| Daviey | One package is an application shell script | a replacement for msttcorefonts | 05:05 |
| Daviey | replacement being GPL/OFL pack | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia | you talking about the liberation fonts? | 05:06 |
| Daviey | yep | 05:06 |
| Daviey | Burgundavia, I'm currently trying to package the liberation fonts - then have another package that depends on 'liberation fonts' that creates symlinks to the ms font names | 05:07 |
| siretart | I'd rather make the two one package | 05:10 |
| Daviey | Shoudn't msttcorefonts and liberation fonts be able to co-exsist tho? | 05:11 |
| Daviey | the fake package i was planning on 'replacing' msttcorefonts and depending on liber' fonts | 05:11 |
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| ScottK | Daviey: Please don't do that. As a user of msttcorefonts I'd want to try them out side by side for a while first. | 05:17 |
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| Loic | Hi | 05:17 |
| ScottK | Hello | 05:17 |
| Loic | I've got a question about SRU : when the SRU is approved, the fix commited and the new package has been in proposed for more than a week with more than 2 people saying it works for them | 05:23 |
| Loic | What should I do know to get the package moved in universe? | 05:23 |
| ScottK | Loic: What package? | 05:24 |
| Loic | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xvidcore/+bug/84705 | 05:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 84705 in xvidcore "[Feisty] libxvidcore missing dependency for yasm for i386 arch : more than 3 times slower than in edgy" [Medium,Fix committed] | 05:24 |
| Loic | libxvidcore4 | 05:24 |
| === ScottK looks | ||
| ScottK | Loic: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU - Tag the package verification-motu-done | 05:26 |
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| ScottK | Loic: I think then imbrandon should subscribe ubuntu-sru if he's satisfied. | 05:27 |
| Loic | Thank you | 05:27 |
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| Loic | Done :) . imbrandon could you please subscribe ubuntu-sru if you're ok with the package? | 05:30 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 05:30 |
| pochu | hi bddebian :) | 05:32 |
| pochu | bddebian: padawans FTW! :) | 05:32 |
| bddebian | Hi pochu. :-) | 05:35 |
| geser | Hi bddebian | 05:36 |
| bddebian | Heya geser | 05:39 |
| welshbyte | well as long as we don't have any Anakin Skywalkers in our midst... :) | 05:41 |
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| leonel | hello motus ! | 05:42 |
| leonel | patches ! patches give me patches i need patches ... | 05:43 |
| leonel | jeje | 05:43 |
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| joejaxx | everyone took all the bitsized bugs from me :( | 05:43 |
| joejaxx | :P | 05:43 |
| pochu | leonel: are you on crack? :) | 05:44 |
| leonel | I'm on bugs ... | 05:44 |
| pochu | :-) | 05:44 |
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| pochu | Lutin, Adri2000: ping | 05:44 |
| ScottK | leonel: How's Dapper going? | 05:45 |
| Loic | About xvidcore4, I subscribed ubuntu-sru to the bug. However, I just checked gutsy and the bug is there as well. Will the fix be automatically ported for gutsy or do I have to do something? | 05:45 |
| ScottK | Loic: You have to do something. | 05:45 |
| pochu | Loic: you need to fix gutsy first | 05:45 |
| pochu | otherwise, the sru won't be approved, afaik | 05:45 |
| ScottK | pochu: He already fixed Feisty | 05:45 |
| === joejaxx wishes tha launchpad made a distinction between feisty and gutsy for bugs | ||
| pochu | did he? | 05:45 |
| ScottK | Not in this case. | 05:45 |
| joejaxx | that* | 05:45 |
| ScottK | Yes | 05:45 |
| === pochu has seen other SRUs rejected because the development version wasn't fixed yet | ||
| ScottK | Loic: I just nominate the bug for Feisty and Gutsy. Once a MOTU approves that, you'll be able to track status for each release separately. | 05:46 |
| ScottK | pochu: Yes, it happens, but not this time... | 05:46 |
| pochu | ScottK: oks :) | 05:47 |
| ScottK | Loic: You need to make a proper debdiff for the Gutsy package to and attach that to the bug. | 05:47 |
| Loic | Yuck | 05:47 |
| sacater | hey all, when is gutsy beta due out? | 05:48 |
| sacater | im gonna run it on my new laptop :D | 05:48 |
| Loic | YuckYuckyuckYuckYuck | 05:48 |
| pochu | sacater: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | 05:49 |
| sacater | pochu: thanks mate :D | 05:49 |
| Loic | If I make a debdiff for gutsy, will I have to do the same for gutsy+1? | 05:49 |
| ScottK | Loic: All you should need to do is change +xvidcore (2:1.1.2-0.1ubuntu1.1~proposed1) feisty-proposed; urgency=low to +xvidcore (2:1.1.2-0.1ubuntu2) gutsy; urgency=low | 05:49 |
| Loic | ok | 05:49 |
| sacater | pochu: oh and btw, laptop scare is off, I have one now, not new, not fast, but it does the job :P | 05:49 |
| ScottK | Loic: No, once it's in the development tree you're done. | 05:49 |
| Loic | Thanks. Can I just manually modify my debdiff or do I have to rerun the process again? | 05:50 |
| pochu | sacater: cool :) | 05:50 |
| bddebian | welshbyte: :-) | 05:50 |
| ScottK | Loic: If you are careful, since it doesn't affect the number of lines in the diff, you should be able to do it manually. | 05:50 |
| Loic | Thx :) | 05:51 |
| leonel | ScottK: in an hour approx I'll start with dapper so it must be done TODAY ! | 05:53 |
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| ScottK | leonel: Great. You are doing good work. | 05:53 |
| ScottK | Loic: Note that make sure what I put above makes sense. I didn't study it as carefully as I would if I were doing it myself. | 05:54 |
| Loic | No, it should be ok, it was just about a missing dependency | 05:54 |
| leonel | ScottK: had good teachers :) | 05:55 |
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| ScottK | leonel: Thanks. | 05:55 |
| Loic | Btw, does anyone know Power PC and other architectures than i386/x64 to tell me if there's any reason not to have xvidcore4 depend on yasm in these architectures? | 05:56 |
| ScottK | Loic: Investigating that question fully would be a good reason to wait on the Gutsy debdiff until you know ... | 05:56 |
| Adri2000 | pochu: pong | 05:58 |
| ScottK | Anyone looking for Main SRU practice might want to look at Bug #62255 | 05:58 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 62255 in pptpd "pptpd on edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62255 | 05:58 |
| Loic | Actually, I'm not even sure it needs so much investigation. Previous packages depended on yasm on all architectures, and the restriction to x64 was apparently just a blunder | 05:58 |
| Loic | How should I investigate for other arch since I don't have PPC or other? Is there a mailing list or better an irc channel? | 05:59 |
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| Loic | I'll be trying in #ubuntu-powerpc... | 06:03 |
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| pochu | Adri2000: the REPORT for amule is 0 bytes, though it says it hasn't found any error, and Ubuntu has a big patch: | 06:14 |
| pochu | http://dad.dunnewind.net/amule/ | 06:14 |
| Adri2000 | pochu: http://dad.dunnewind.net/amule/REPORT ? that works here | 06:16 |
| pochu | Adri2000: sorry, I mean http://dad.dunnewind.net/amule/amule_2.1.3-2ubuntu1.patch | 06:17 |
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| pochu | Adri2000: it shouldn't be empty, right? | 06:17 |
| Adri2000 | right | 06:18 |
| Adri2000 | I'm looking | 06:18 |
| pochu | thanks | 06:18 |
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| Adri2000 | pochu: there is something wrong that's sure... it may be related to the last change (which fixes the 0ubuntuX only bug), I'll review the code and talk with Lutin about it | 06:24 |
| pochu | Adri2000: thanks, and please let me know how it goes :) | 06:25 |
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| Adri2000 | pochu: yep, np | 06:26 |
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| wolfeon | ScottK: not yet | 06:51 |
| wolfeon | ScottK: soon though :) | 06:52 |
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| jussi01 | gah, am i stupid or something? | 07:03 |
| jussi01 | can someone find me all the bugs which are tagged needs packaging? | 07:03 |
| joejaxx | jussi01: you mean packages people want in universe? | 07:05 |
| jussi01 | joejaxx: yes... | 07:05 |
| jussi01 | joejaxx: I need a new something to do... | 07:05 |
| joejaxx | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_contact=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.om | 07:05 |
| jussi01 | :D | 07:05 |
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| joejaxx | there you go | 07:05 |
| joejaxx | jussi01: :P | 07:06 |
| jussi01 | tanks | 07:06 |
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| joejaxx | jussi01: you are most welcome | 07:06 |
| jussi01 | joejaxx: that gives me a weird, huge list.... :( | 07:07 |
| Adri2000 | jussi01: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?field.tags=needs-packaging | 07:07 |
| joejaxx | jussi01: yes but i thought you wanted packages that people wanted packaged? :( | 07:07 |
| Adri2000 | err | 07:08 |
| jussi01 | joejaxx: yeah, but what you gave me isnt that :( | 07:08 |
| joejaxx | jussi01: it is for me | 07:09 |
| Adri2000 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging | 07:09 |
| joejaxx | jussi01: it says needs packaging all the way down the list | 07:09 |
| jussi01 | joejaxx: lol it just gives me almost every bug reported... | 07:09 |
| jussi01 | Adri2000: thanks... thats the one.... :D | 07:10 |
| joejaxx | interesting | 07:10 |
| joejaxx | i wonder why that is | 07:10 |
| jussi01 | joejaxx: could be kde's fault... | 07:10 |
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| pochu | joejaxx: 1 75 of 42803 results | 07:14 |
| joejaxx | ah | 07:14 |
| joejaxx | lol | 07:14 |
| pochu | jussi01: I guess that's not kde, but a bad link :) | 07:14 |
| jussi01 | :D | 07:15 |
| joejaxx | actually that is the link off the motu todo page :P | 07:15 |
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| Lutin | pochu: around ? | 07:33 |
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| pochu | Lutin: yep :) | 07:37 |
| Lutin | pochu: that was about the amule bug..when have you noticed it for the first time ? | 07:37 |
| pochu | Lutin: this evening | 07:38 |
| pochu | Lutin: the amule merge has been added recently | 07:38 |
| pochu | maybe today | 07:38 |
| pochu | so I looked to the report, and after that looked at the patch | 07:39 |
| Lutin | ok | 07:39 |
| pochu | which, surprisingly, was empty | 07:39 |
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| Lutin | pochu: amule wasn't on the list before that ? | 07:39 |
| pochu | Lutin: before what? | 07:40 |
| Lutin | pochu: before you noticed the bug. I mean, as it been added today ? | 07:40 |
| pochu | Lutin: I've noticed the bug today with amule, don't know when it was added :) | 07:43 |
| Lutin | pochu: ok | 07:43 |
| pochu | but it's been added recently, since my unique merge was wesnoth | 07:43 |
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| AnAnt | Hello, | 07:45 |
| joejaxx | hello | 07:45 |
| Hobbsee | hiya | 07:45 |
| bddebian | Heya AnAnt | 07:45 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if there are even any merges left to do. | ||
| AnAnt | bddebian: how r u ? | 07:46 |
| AnAnt | how can I add a menu icon for a package ? menu file ? | 07:46 |
| bddebian | .desktop file | 07:47 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: is there a dh_* command to install it ? | 07:47 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: The desktop file or the icon? | 07:48 |
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| AnAnt | bddebian: the desktop file | 07:49 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: Does the package already have one? | 07:51 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: no, I will create one, I am doing a menu file now btw | 07:52 |
| tuxmaniac | Hobbsee, heh. Just checking out the photo in which you are being carried to the pool | 07:53 |
| tuxmaniac | :-) | 07:53 |
| Hobbsee | tuxmaniac: heh. | 07:53 |
| === Hobbsee still needs to shoot people, over that | ||
| Hobbsee | they threatened to throw me in the pool all week | 07:53 |
| Hobbsee | attempted to break me in doing so, too... | 07:54 |
| tuxmaniac | Hobbsee, hahah. Mitrandir and Seveas right? | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | tuxmaniac: Seveas and ajmitch | 07:55 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: You can use install, dh_install, cp, mv whatever to stick the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | tuxmaniac: mithrandir kinda glared at them and got them to stop | 07:55 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: ok, thanks | 07:55 |
| Seveas | Mithrandir has evil glare | 07:56 |
| Seveas | and Hobbsee has an evil death stare | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | and i have the death stare. | 07:57 |
| welshbyte | some packages use the desktop-file-install tool but it seems to me like it's only useful if you need to munge it a bit in transit | 07:57 |
| xxxxx1 | hello bddebian ! | 07:58 |
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| Seveas | Hobbsee, and still I survived :) | 07:58 |
| tuxmaniac | Seveas, heh. I can see the *death* stare :-) | 07:58 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: so far | 07:58 |
| tuxmaniac | Seveas, btw thanks for ubotu in #ubuntu-in :-) | 07:58 |
| Seveas | Hobbsee, well, we're now pretty much at opposite ends of this planet | 07:58 |
| bddebian | Heya xxxxx1 | 07:58 |
| Seveas | I feel reasonably safe | 07:58 |
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| AnAnt | bddebian: is that the only way to add menu icons ? | 07:59 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: I find some apps I got here that don't have .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/ | 07:59 |
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| bddebian | AnAnt: You are talking about the gnome menu right? | 07:59 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: yup | 07:59 |
| etteyafed | I am working on a kernel module management GUI for gnome and I would like to get the ball rolling on having the .deb looked at. It needs a bit of work still but its ready for inspection I think. Anyone here that can point me in a direction? | 08:00 |
| tsmithe | rargh i hate it when people don't research things...! (including me) | 08:02 |
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| tsmithe | stupid wired | 08:02 |
| tsmithe | and debian | 08:02 |
| tsmithe | rargh | 08:02 |
| sharms | bryyce: with regards to 1.3 and fglrx -- I think by the time gutsy is released, there will be a brand new fglrx out | 08:03 |
| sharms | bryyce: they currently have a closed (nda) beta for a total rewrite of the driver | 08:04 |
| jussi01 | tsmithe: lol | 08:04 |
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| bddebian | AnAnt: Well it's the only way I know of so you got me there. | 08:04 |
| ScottK | !REVU | etteyafed | 08:04 |
| ubotu | etteyafed: REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU | 08:05 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: ok, thanks | 08:05 |
| etteyafed | sorry... I know this info is available someplace (i looked at before). | 08:05 |
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| bryyce | sharms: yes I hope so | 08:06 |
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| tepsipakki | sharms: "total rewrite" doesn't sound too good :) | 08:14 |
| tepsipakki | although it can only get better | 08:15 |
| joejaxx | does anyone have an example of a developmental build naming schema for the ubuntu discs? | 08:16 |
| joejaxx | s/a/the/g | 08:16 |
| Hobbsee | joejaxx: define "ubuntu discs" | 08:17 |
| sharms | tepsipakki: I believe they intend on fully supporting AIGLX etc | 08:17 |
| joejaxx | i know final is ubuntu-releaseversion-alternative-arch.iso | 08:17 |
| joejaxx | Hobbsee: ^ | 08:17 |
| pochu | tepsipakki: was -intel ready for a sync, of does it need a merge? :) | 08:17 |
| joejaxx | s/alternative/alternate/g | 08:17 |
| Hobbsee | the dailies are the same, arent they? | 08:17 |
| leonel | ScottK: dapper's squirrelmail patched in the source now to check all build deb test all again and upload the debdiff .. | 08:17 |
| joejaxx | Hobbsee: i do not know | 08:17 |
| sharms | tepsipakki: nda prevents that from being verified | 08:17 |
| Hobbsee | joejaxx: i think they're all named the same, so people can rsync | 08:18 |
| joejaxx | Hobbsee: i am talking specifically about the herd/tribe/flight type discs | 08:18 |
| ScottK | leonel: Sounds good. | 08:18 |
| tepsipakki | pochu: needs a merge, git commits are not yet released which should make it syncable | 08:18 |
| Hobbsee | joejaxx: i'd look them up on cdimage.ubuntu.com | 08:18 |
| ranf | pochu, I didn't say don't sync. Just give Petter some time to catch up. | 08:18 |
| tepsipakki | sharms: ok.. | 08:19 |
| pochu | Hobbsee: weren't you asking for merges a while ago? -intel is yours! :) | 08:19 |
| Hobbsee | pochu: i knwo :( | 08:20 |
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| pochu | Hobbsee: if you don't want to do it, I can take a look :) | 08:20 |
| Hobbsee | i'll look | 08:20 |
| Hobbsee | i do actually need to do a merge, at some point | 08:20 |
| pochu | Hobbsee: cool, thanks! | 08:20 |
| Hobbsee | i couldnt eyeball it during UDS, and havent looked again | 08:20 |
| Hobbsee | while i was in session | 08:20 |
| tepsipakki | kylem told me that -i810 isn't going to be dropped yet | 08:21 |
| tepsipakki | "too risky" | 08:22 |
| pochu | tepsipakki: we can include -intel in main at least :) | 08:22 |
| tepsipakki | what's the point if -i810 ends up being used | 08:23 |
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| Burgundavia | joejaxx: they are named until release, at which point the iso name has the version number | 08:25 |
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| psusi | can anyone give me some help with emacs ediff? I can't figure out which frigging end is up | 08:27 |
| joejaxx | Burgundavia: yeah but what about the herds/flights/etc | 08:28 |
| Burgundavia | joejaxx: what about them? | 08:28 |
| Burgundavia | they are named consistently | 08:28 |
| joejaxx | Burgundavia: i thought those specified them in the iso name | 08:28 |
| Burgundavia | afaik, no | 08:28 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 08:28 |
| joejaxx | hmm | 08:28 |
| joejaxx | interesting | 08:28 |
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| psusi | siretart: ping | 08:38 |
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| jussi01 | hei, so just as a quick final check, where should i be looking to make sure that a package is not already being packaged... | 08:49 |
| jussi01 | ?? | 08:49 |
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| joejaxx | the repos | 08:49 |
| joejaxx | and revu | 08:49 |
| sacater | er | 08:49 |
| sacater | okay | 08:49 |
| joejaxx | and debian | 08:49 |
| sacater | I am a little bit worried... | 08:49 |
| jussi01 | heh...debian, where...... | 08:49 |
| joejaxx | jussi01: packages.debian.org | 08:49 |
| jussi01 | ok | 08:49 |
| joejaxx | sacater: why what happened? | 08:50 |
| sacater | my syslog@trinity my (laptop), just messaged me with write..... but it was informal... | 08:50 |
| sacater | like it knew me | 08:50 |
| xxxxx1 | jussi01: check the queue too | 08:50 |
| psusi | StevenK: ping | 08:50 |
| sacater | and even gave me some errors on my CPU0 | 08:50 |
| Hobbsee | psusi: asleep | 08:50 |
| sacater | where are write logs kept? | 08:50 |
| jussi01 | xxxxx1: queue? | 08:50 |
| psusi | blast... | 08:50 |
| joejaxx | sacater: that is funny | 08:50 |
| joejaxx | lol | 08:50 |
| sacater | no its not | 08:50 |
| sacater | quite the opposite | 08:50 |
| sacater | for 2 reasons | 08:50 |
| sacater | 1, someone could have access to my machine | 08:51 |
| joejaxx | true | 08:51 |
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| sacater | 2, they got into sys | 08:51 |
| psusi | anyone else use emacs ediff? I can't for the live of me get the damn thing to compare two whole directories instead of only a specific file in them that I know has changed | 08:51 |
| sacater | joejaxx: when my computer talks to me, it is very disturbing | 08:52 |
| sacater | it also said about hardware faults | 08:52 |
| sacater | but 'Uhhuh' | 08:52 |
| sacater | like it was agreeing... | 08:52 |
| joejaxx | sacater: well yeah if it does not have a AI | 08:52 |
| sacater | i am SERIOUSLY worried... | 08:52 |
| joejaxx | sacater: time to start auditting for you :\ | 08:53 |
| sacater | where are write logs kept | 08:53 |
| sacater | if any | 08:53 |
| xxxxx1 | jussi01: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue | 08:54 |
| xxxxx1 | jussi01: packages in *NEW* | 08:54 |
| jussi01 | so i assume that this isnt being packaged / already packaged? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420237 | 08:54 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 420237 in wnpp "RFP: mnemosyne -- spaced repitition flash-card program" [Wishlist,Open] | 08:54 |
| ScottK | jussi01: Debian has a pseudo package called WNPP where people file intent to package bugs. | 08:54 |
| ScottK | Yeah. Like that one. | 08:54 |
| jussi01 | xxxxx1: is that not the same as revu archive? | 08:54 |
| Hobbsee | jussi01: not necessarily | 08:55 |
| jussi01 | oh | 08:55 |
| jussi01 | ok then | 08:55 |
| ScottK | jussi01: That's a request for the package, not an intent to package. | 08:55 |
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| jussi01 | ok, so I could package it and not worry about dual efforts then... (like last time...) | 08:56 |
| jussi01 | ?? | 08:56 |
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| ScottK | jussi01: No guarantees, but I'd expect if someone started working on it in Debian, they'd have commented on that bug. | 08:58 |
| jussi01 | ScottK: cool, well im gonna mark the ubuntu bug mine then, should i also put something on debian? | 08:58 |
| ScottK | jussi01: Only if you plan to get it in Debian (which is no bad thing). | 08:59 |
| jussi01 | ok | 08:59 |
| ScottK | BTW, unless you get your package in Debian, you are at risk of your work getting over-written in the future. | 09:00 |
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| ScottK | jussi01: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian/ | 09:01 |
| jussi01 | ScottK: thanks | 09:02 |
| Daviey | Could somebody look at my upload? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5157 :) | 09:02 |
| Hobbsee | Daviey: version needs to be -0ubuntu1 for a start, not -ubuntu1 | 09:05 |
| Daviey | doh | 09:06 |
| Hobbsee | didnt check the rest that closely | 09:06 |
| Hobbsee | it's still a bit early | 09:06 |
| Treenaks | Hobbsee: not late? :P | 09:06 |
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| Hobbsee | Treenaks: no - i've been asleep :P | 09:07 |
| Adri2000 | pochu: amule is fixed. but now we have another issue (not critical): the conflicts are not correctly listed in the REPORT file, Lutin will take care of it when he comes back. | 09:07 |
| pochu | Adri2000: ok, thanks :) | 09:08 |
| Daviey | doh' | 09:10 |
| bluekuja | Fujitsu, ping | 09:12 |
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| Hobbsee | bluekuja: he'll be asleep | 09:15 |
| bluekuja | Hobbsee, :) | 09:16 |
| bluekuja | Hobbsee, gonna ping him tomorrow then | 09:16 |
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| wolfeon | does anyone know if there is breakage in archive.canonical.com's package server? | 09:25 |
| wolfeon | W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com feisty-commercial Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com> | 09:25 |
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| Hobbsee | hmmm, could be | 09:28 |
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| Hobbsee | youd' have to wait for the archive admins to be around | 09:28 |
| wolfeon | those card assholes, breaking everything. what kind of an imperfect world do we live in? :P | 09:32 |
| jussi01 | ok, building a python program, where in debian/rules do i put this command: python setup.py install | 09:37 |
| ScottK | jussi01: Maybe you don't | 09:38 |
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| jussi01 | ScottK: what then.... | 09:39 |
| jussi01 | ?? | 09:39 |
| ScottK | jussi01: If it's got a good setup.py you might find python-support + cdbs is the simplest method. Look at the pyyaml source package as a sample. | 09:39 |
| jussi01 | arghh... ive not used cdbs... | 09:39 |
| jussi01 | got a good tutorial | 09:40 |
| ScottK | Look at the pyyaml package. It's dead easy if you've got a good setup.py | 09:40 |
| ScottK | cdbs documentation is, umm, sparse. | 09:40 |
| jussi01 | oh | 09:40 |
| ScottK | Google will help you out for what there is. | 09:42 |
| ScottK | Other than that, use the source... | 09:42 |
| jussi01 | ok | 09:42 |
| ScottK | Although you probably won't need to. | 09:42 |
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| jussi01 | gah, where do I give myself ownership of a bug? can i do that? | 09:47 |
| jussi01 | found it nm... | 09:48 |
| jussi01 | ScottK: just noticed you commented on this bug :D | 09:49 |
| ScottK | Which bug? | 09:50 |
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| jussi01 | bug 108100 | 09:50 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 108100 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] mnemosyne" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108100 | 09:50 |
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| Daviey | hmm... why am i getting "Sorry, Commenting for contributors only on their own uploads" - on one of my uploads? | 09:50 |
| jussi01 | Daviey: you logged in? | 09:50 |
| Daviey | yes | 09:50 |
| jussi01 | weird.... | 09:51 |
| ScottK | Hmmm | 09:51 |
| Daviey | the only thing i can think of - is the email addy on the upload page has a capital letter in the email address and my account doesn't | 09:51 |
| ScottK | Daviey: That's likely it. | 09:52 |
| Daviey | >:( | 09:52 |
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| jussi01 | ScottK: I dont understand... | 10:06 |
| ScottK | Don't understand what? | 10:06 |
| siretart | psusi: pong | 10:07 |
| jussi01 | how that rules file works....:( | 10:07 |
| jussi01 | ScottK: or anything any more... i feel so stupid | 10:07 |
| Lamego | jussi01, you are expected to be familiar with makefiles :P | 10:08 |
| === jussi01 tickles Lamego.... I havent done cdbs before.... | ||
| ScottK | jussi01: If this is because you looked at the rules file for a cdbs package, remember that cdbs is deep black magic. | 10:08 |
| Lamego | ah, you mean cdbs :) | 10:08 |
| Lamego | that is even simpler :) | 10:08 |
| ScottK | If you have a good setup.py it'll just work. | 10:09 |
| jussi01 | so I ca effectively copy-paste your rules file... ad it should just "work" ?? | 10:09 |
| ScottK | I've got to run. It should. | 10:09 |
| Lamego | jussi01, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy | 10:09 |
| jussi01 | yay, thanks for your help :D | 10:09 |
| jussi01 | see you ScottK | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: harsh. | 10:10 |
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| jussi01 | Lamego: thanks for that link, exactly what i was looking for. :D | 10:14 |
| psusi | siretart: morning? | 10:15 |
| siretart | psusi: oh, I'm about to get to bed ;) | 10:18 |
| psusi | siretart: ohh, thought you had gone to bed hours ago ;) | 10:18 |
| psusi | siretart: go get some sleep then, I was just looking for some help figuring out ediff | 10:18 |
| siretart | psusi: no, I've visited my parents and just returned home | 10:18 |
| siretart | oh, xxxxx1 just went away. | 10:19 |
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| moxfyre | hi all, i'm having trouble re-uploading a modified package to REVU | 10:24 |
| moxfyre | can anyone help me out? | 10:25 |
| moxfyre | i get an 'error 553 could not create file' when uploading the .dsc | 10:25 |
| moxfyre | even if I do dput -f as the wiki suggests | 10:26 |
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| moxfyre | so i've been unable to update the package in any way | 10:26 |
| siretart | moxfyre: which file? | 10:27 |
| siretart | package | 10:27 |
| moxfyre | cpuid package | 10:27 |
| moxfyre | the fn is cpuid_20060917-0ubuntu1.dsc | 10:27 |
| moxfyre | i do dput -f revu cpuid_20060917-0ubuntu1_source.changes | 10:28 |
| moxfyre | and it gives me that error | 10:28 |
| siretart | I'm on it | 10:29 |
| moxfyre | thanks | 10:30 |
| moxfyre | can you tell me how to avoid this problem in the future? | 10:30 |
| siretart | do not do binary uploads | 10:31 |
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| siretart | only upload *_source.changes, as the wiki instructs. never upload *_i386.changes | 10:31 |
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| moxfyre | ahh | 10:31 |
| siretart | moxfyre: you can reupload now | 10:31 |
| moxfyre | tx! | 10:31 |
| siretart | cheers! | 10:31 |
| moxfyre | worked like a charm | 10:32 |
| moxfyre | now to wait for more harsh comments to roll in :) | 10:35 |
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| jussi01 | programs written in python go in the section python correct? | 10:38 |
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| Q-FUNK | 10:40 | |
| sacater | damnit | 10:40 |
| sacater | the guy who owns a linux server I use for screen and irssi is shutting it down | 10:41 |
| sacater | anyone know a server owner who is willing to let me run screen and irssi? | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | sacater: various ubuntu type poeple probably would | 10:44 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: maybe | 10:45 |
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| sacater | Hobbsee: was that addressed to me saying that siretart might, or a completely differnet thing | 10:45 |
| Hobbsee | sacater: was addressed to you | 10:45 |
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| sacater | WHOOT! | 10:46 |
| sacater | siretart: ^^^ | 10:46 |
| siretart | sacater: are you in the launchpad group 'ubuntu-dev'? | 10:46 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 10:47 |
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| jussi01 | morning ajmitch | 10:47 |
| lionel | morning ajmitch | 10:47 |
| ajmitch | hm, new mentoring | 10:48 |
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| sacater | siretart: not exactly no.. here is a list of those that I am in https://launchpad.net/%7Esacater/+participation | 10:48 |
| sacater | siretart: i am applying for Q+A team atm | 10:48 |
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| ajmitch | Q+A? | 10:49 |
| siretart | sacater: hm. we do have 'community developer machines' for MOTUs. | 10:49 |
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| Hobbsee | siretart: ppa's? | 10:50 |
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| siretart | Hobbsee: no, ubuntuwire. ask imbrandon for details | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | true | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | guess that's nto restricted to -dev | 10:50 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: he sent an email to ubuntu-motu@ about this. accounts are created from the lp group | 10:50 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: I don't know his policy for non -dev people | 10:51 |
| sacater | siretart: I am motu mentoree, havnt done it for a while due to SATS and coursework though :(, i made a text editor package before :P | 10:51 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: yep, right, thats' what i thought | 10:51 |
| sacater | siretart: but i doubt that that is good enough | 10:51 |
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| jussi01 | gah, i hate that... | 10:56 |
| jussi01 | kwin just crashed.... | 10:56 |
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| sacater | siretart: so... can i have a small server space... | 11:06 |
| sacater | please.. | 11:06 |
| siretart | sacater: I can't create you an account on tiber, the machine is having bandwith problems anyway and needs to be rebooted soon | 11:06 |
| cheatr | sacater: How much space do you need? | 11:06 |
| siretart | sacater: I'd suggest to ask imbrandon | 11:06 |
| sacater | siretart: okay I shall | 11:08 |
| sacater | cheatr: enough for irssi and screen | 11:08 |
| sacater | cheatr: maybe a bit more if I ever need to host files | 11:09 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: might do it, yeah | 11:09 |
| sacater | cheatr: half a Gig would be more than enough | 11:09 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: that's a tentative maybe | 11:09 |
| sacater | imbrandon: please read above... | 11:09 |
| cheatr | sacater: You're after web hosting right? | 11:09 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: indeed | 11:09 |
| cheatr | sacater: I don't have php, but I have perl setup | 11:10 |
| cheatr | sacater: And I can give you 1/2 a gig. I also have ftp if you don't need an actual site | 11:10 |
| sacater | i need ssh ability | 11:10 |
| sacater | thats a must | 11:10 |
| sacater | to use screen | 11:10 |
| cheatr | I'm interested in learning to package for Ubuntu. I've read some of the wiki articles on it, but am still a little unclear. I was wondering if any of you have some time and would be willing to help me out. | 11:15 |
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| crimsun | sure - where do you need assistance? | 11:16 |
| sacater | cheatr: are you familliar with what a debian binary does | 11:17 |
| sacater | thats the .deb packages | 11:17 |
| cheatr | sacater: Yeah, I'm somewhat familar. | 11:17 |
| sacater | heh | 11:17 |
| sacater | well | 11:17 |
| sacater | to package you will need devscripts | 11:17 |
| sacater | allows you to build and edit packages | 11:18 |
| cheatr | well, that's not what any of the tutorials said. I looked like I didn't actually make the .deb package. I just submited the files that you normally find in a .tar.gz type installation (where you have to make and then make install) | 11:18 |
| sacater | oh | 11:19 |
| sacater | you need to build it | 11:19 |
| sacater | into a .deb | 11:19 |
| sacater | or provide a debdiff for the origianl package | 11:19 |
| sacater | outlying the differences | 11:19 |
| sacater | a patch really | 11:19 |
| xxxxx1 | bye all! | 11:19 |
| crimsun | cheatr: if by "submit" you mean "submit to REVU or Ubuntu", then yes, you would upload only source [not built binaries] | 11:19 |
| cheatr | crimsun: Yeah, I'm not building the packages for me. I plan on submitting them to Ubuntu for the universe repository | 11:20 |
| psusi | so does anyone here use ediff to compare/merge two directories? | 11:22 |
| crimsun | I use vimdiff(1) | 11:23 |
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| crimsun | gnomefreak: I'll be in Carrboro (@Weaver Street Market) from 11A-6P if you'd like to swing by and get your key signed | 11:28 |
| crimsun | gnomefreak: err, tomorrow, that is. | 11:28 |
| leonel | build a deb and when I tested I got an error I need to fix | 11:31 |
| leonel | do I only rerun debuild ? | 11:32 |
| leonel | again | 11:32 |
| crimsun | the same debuild command you previously used. | 11:32 |
| leonel | ok | 11:32 |
| persia | leonel: If the source .dsc was built, I recommend deleting the build directory, reexpanding the new source, and running debuild. Sometimes debian/rules clean: doesn't do everything it could. | 11:33 |
| leonel | persia: it has no update system | 11:33 |
| leonel | persia: I edited the source | 11:33 |
| leonel | i mean no patch system | 11:34 |
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| persia | leonel: My apologies for lack of clarity. If you are working on package foo_1.2-3ubuntu4.dsc, and make changes (even directly to the source), which resulted in foo_1.2-3ubuntu5.dsc other files), deleting foo-1.2, and expanding foo_1.2-3ubuntu5.dsc should result in your changes being restored in foo-1.2 (before the build). | 11:36 |
| leonel | ok | 11:36 |
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| leonel | just rerun debuild and got the same dsc | 11:37 |
| crimsun | (I hope you're running at least debuild -S ) | 11:37 |
| leonel | yes | 11:37 |
| leonel | so no problem then ? | 11:38 |
| crimsun | well, you have the source locally, so you'll have to tell us whether there are problems. :-) | 11:38 |
| persia | leonel: LIkely not - some packages are better than others :). Check your debdiff to be sure. | 11:38 |
| leonel | I mean I had the .deb builded then I found an error | 11:39 |
| leonel | just a missing ; | 11:39 |
| leonel | edited the source its a php script | 11:39 |
| crimsun | just install the newer one & retest it | 11:39 |
| leonel | rebuild reinstall retest | 11:39 |
| crimsun | welcome to MOTU. | 11:42 |
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| crimsun | (except MOTU is usually "fix rebuild reinstall retest" ad nauseum) | 11:42 |
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| etteyafed | Who do I ask to re-sync the REVU upload keyring? | 11:51 |
| crimsun | here. I'll do it. | 11:51 |
| etteyafed | Thank you. | 11:52 |
| crimsun | it normally takes 15-20 mins. | 11:52 |
| etteyafed | Alright. But after that I should be good to dput my source? | 11:53 |
| Hobbsee | argh...save me from the stupid.... | 11:53 |
| crimsun | I'll say something here in the channel when the process has completed. | 11:53 |
| Hobbsee | people, if you're going to pull the line of "i cant get support because i'm a women, you men all think that linux is a type of football enviroment or poker game..." or whatever, please do your research first, that the immediate people you're taking to *arent female*. kthxbye. | 11:56 |
| pochu | Hobbsee: ? | 11:56 |
| Hobbsee | pochu: another channel. i'm venting at the stupidity. | 11:56 |
| Hobbsee | s/women/woman/ | 11:57 |
| pochu | hehe, oks :) | 11:57 |
| crimsun | but I don't know of any women in the immediate vicinity =) | 11:57 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | silly people | 11:58 |
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| welshbyte | yeah, i don't enjoy football or poker at all | 11:59 |
| leonel | crimsun: and its bug fixing addictive | 12:02 |
| crimsun | leonel: up to a point, absolutely. | 12:02 |
| crimsun | then again, YMMV. | 12:02 |
| leonel | I see dead bugs, but they don't know they are dead | 12:03 |
| welshbyte | with a merge where some patches have been added and others removed (in debian/patches/) is there an easy way to figure out which ones should be kept? | 12:03 |
| crimsun | leonel: :-) | 12:03 |
| welshbyte | i was just peeking at xpdf which looks a little tricky | 12:03 |
| crimsun | welshbyte: depends what you mean by "easy". Depending on your familiarity, reading the patches could be easy. | 12:04 |
| welshbyte | i'm not very familiar with it :) | 12:04 |
| crimsun | normally it's iterative. Take debian/changelog and compare with debian/patches/ | 12:04 |
| crimsun | hopefully they're documented well in the former. | 12:04 |
| crimsun | you'll likely end up reading the patches themselves in debian/patches/ , too. | 12:05 |
| ScottK | crimsun: Thanks for the thumbs up on the application. | 12:05 |
| crimsun | ScottK: sorry, finger slipped. I actually meant to say that "ScottK is a booger and shouldn't be considered..." | 12:06 |
| welshbyte | crimsun: ok thanks, i'll have a look at it but i can't spend much time on it - supposed to be studying for exams :) | 12:06 |
| ScottK | Good thing for me it's to late now then.... | 12:06 |
| crimsun | welshbyte: right, no worries. | 12:06 |
| crimsun | ScottK: ;-) | 12:06 |
| leonel | dapper's squirrelmail patched builded tested ... | 12:08 |
| leonel | now to send the debdiff | 12:08 |
| TheMuso | Hey all. | 12:11 |
| ScottK | Heya TheMuso. | 12:11 |
| ScottK | leoneol, sounds great. | 12:11 |
| ScottK | err leonel^^ | 12:12 |
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