[12:18] Why can't an SRU be a backport? [12:18] it can, but generally it shouldn't be [12:18] paran: --preserve-buildplace [12:19] just dumping in a new upstream version isn't the best way to fix a bug === jdong_ [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] micahcowan: in the strict sense, an SRU is just a fix for a regression. It /can/ be backported from a newer version; they're not mutually exclusive generally. [12:20] i dunno about ubuntu but with debian the general priciple of updates to stable releases is change the minimum nessacery thereby keeping the risk of regressions to a minimum [12:20] micahcowan: we use SRU very specifically to mean an existing fix that is easily verified, tested, and has no regressions. [12:21] s/no regressions/no known regressions/ [12:22] So, the rough critereon would be, if the new, existing package version is little more than a fix to that (and maybe other) regression/vulnerability, it could probably serve as an SRU; otherwise it should come in the form of a patch to the current (for that release) package? [12:22] no, SRUs are _always_ patches. [12:22] the only exceptions are things in main like gnome. [12:23] so, when you said backport just now, you meant of that particular piece of code, and not of the package. [12:23] that is correct. [12:23] remember that it's not restricted to backporting; it can entail forwardporting, too. [12:24] Gotcha. Okay, well I expect I will probably find the relevant code for this fix in either or both of its predecessor or successor. :) [12:24] Thanks very much for the help, crimsun and ajmitch. [12:29] Edgy support is until 2007 Oct, yes? [12:29] Ah, until 2008. I see it. [12:30] unfortunately === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] nixternal: that cleans up on failure and successful builds according to the man page [12:33] blerg. [12:34] Hobbsee: morning! :) [12:35] Hobbsee: had a good sleep? [12:35] ajmitch: didnt sleep [12:35] all these assignments - eek. [12:35] hehehe [12:35] ;) [12:35] it's your own fault === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] you should really get back to your usual timezone so that you can at least start working on them [12:36] true [12:36] physics due last week, elec due tomorrow, maths today, maths test sometime, 2 pracs... [12:37] there's probably more === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:37] UDS was far more fun than assignments, right? [12:37] true [12:38] i was very tempted not to come back to uni... [12:38] and do what? [12:38] poke people with sticks. smuggle cigarettes. anything but uni. === ajmitch was tempted to not go back to work [12:39] except I sort of need to have money to live [12:39] that's why I don't go to UDSes. Once you see the greener grass, it all goes to shite. [12:40] heh [12:40] surely the grass is green where you work [12:40] crimsun: how'd you know about the cig smuggling? [12:40] maybe. I'm in a dank basement with no windows. [12:40] Hobbsee: I read scrollback. [12:40] right === Hobbsee doesnt remember saying about that [12:40] although maybe i did === danohuiginn [n=dan@p54bee82d.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] Hobbsee: your partner in crime did [12:42] ahhh [12:42] that was a shame,yes. === bashelier [n=bashelie@gov91-1-82-234-91-6.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] and it apperas they're talking about exams already, and i cant just bullshit electronics again, by answering only half the paper [12:43] (like usual, for our electronics papers, which only require half the questions to be answered) [12:43] you actually have to do work? [12:44] i actually have to know all of it, yes. [12:44] scary [12:44] ooh, and a lab report. for a lab i havent done. *EXCELLENT*. [12:45] and MQ is broken again, so i cant access it. [12:45] even worse, you'll have to actually *attend* university === Hobbsee rains threats on the electronics department, computing department, maths department, and the people who cant be bothered to unlock a building. [12:47] seeing as the first and third have botched their webpages, which the comp department is also reponsible for. === kdub432 [n=kevin@adsl-68-73-207-59.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === predius_ [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.55] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] bddebian: thanks for the review! [01:08] oh, nobody online under that name... well still. [01:08] When there is a "questionable" copyright problem, how can that be solved? Are there lawyers online? [01:09] does canonical not have a general counsel for these matters? [01:09] perhaps you could write to the eff? [01:09] hope it doesn't need a whole counsel [01:10] that will take allot of time, and it's really a simple package appart from one of the licenses not being a FSF approved license :-S [01:11] bmm: debian-legal is a good place to take it, though they tend to err on the side of caution [01:11] whats the package/license? [01:11] Hope that doesn't kill my package :-S http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5125 === cheater [n=cheater@adsl-70-232-160-35.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] jmg: ow, wait the license is online here: http://userpages.umbc.edu/~mabzug1/cs/md5/md5.html [01:12] bottom of the page [01:14] bmm: how is this different to md5sum? [01:14] jmg: ooh, good point, I'll see if I can find another accepted package with the same license. But the implementation is equal. === cheater is now known as cheatr === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] absolutely no discussion on debian-legal === dakira [n=daxel3@e177199176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] hi! can I ask packaging related questions here, or is this channel for motus only? [01:21] just ask [01:23] dakira, I'd venture a guess that there are many more "motu hopefuls" than motus here :) [01:23] thx ;) i'm building several packages interdependend on each other.. I use pbuilder.. so the first one is a library.. the second one a daemon depending on it.. of course pbuilder can't download the dependency (after adding it to the contro file) because it is not in the repos [01:23] how would I go about this? any hints to documentation? [01:26] i am building the cdemu experimental, btw === LongPointyStick ARGH. [01:27] Hi Hobbsee [01:28] hiya [01:28] there's too much work to do... [01:28] LOL @ bug 114842 [01:28] Launchpad bug 114842 in Ubuntu "" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114842 [01:28] and there was no point in coming in thsi morning. [01:28] dakira: I don't know the awnser to it, but http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/pbuilder_backports/pbuilderbuild.html may hold the awnser. [01:29] I haven't played around with such a situation, dakira... I'm kind of hoping someone will answer you. A couple things that spring to mind would be to install both packages with the same dpkg -i command, while doing a "pbuilder execute". You'll need a clever way to get the packages into your "execute" shell. [01:29] dakira: in the meantime, keep monitoring this channel. There may jus be smart poeple out there ;-) [01:30] dakira, if you don't get an answer, it might be worth joining and posting to the ubuntu-motu mailing list. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu [01:30] bmm: you link is just about general usage.. i know everything about that ;) but thanks anyway! [01:30] micahcowan: i thought about something like this.. seems kind of dirty.. i thought there might be a general way to go about it === ajmitch just has a hook to do it with pbuilder [01:31] dakira: thought the "Feeding your build environment" things might help you enxtend it with your local package list :-D [01:31] specifically running dpkg-scanpackage beforehand, and apt-get update within pbuilder [01:32] bmm: ahh... okay.. that might be it! [01:32] dakira: ajmitch seems to know how to do it ;) [01:34] ajmitch: do i assume correctly that you don't build automatically with pbuilder in such a case, but login to it and do everything manually? [01:34] dakira: no [01:34] I just use pbuilder as normal [01:36] ajmitch: yeah.. I just read the link bmm gave me, which describes exactly what you were saying.. so thank you.. that solves my problem! === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@16-202.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] ajmitch: pbuilder is really a mighty thing.. i'm liking it more and more [01:39] using ccache with it can help a lot with repeated builds [01:39] pochu: I translated bug 114842 [01:39] Launchpad bug 114842 in Ubuntu "Problems about the panel" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114842 === minghua wonders if launchpad has interfaces other than English === plugwash isn't entirely sure there is much point in making your bugtracker multilingual [01:41] in fact it could well be counterproductive [01:41] btw, is there a way to submit a bug I have with launchpad itself? === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [01:43] dakira: I've done that one, you can just post it in launchpad. I posted a bug about not being able to remove my account. Actually the first bug I ever posted :-) [01:43] minghua: you rock :) [01:43] (in lunchpad) [01:43] dakira: file it against launchpad [01:44] plugwash: I agree. I was just wondering how the user reported a bug in Chinese [01:44] ScottK: in the source Edgy's squirrelmail has been patched now to build and test ... [01:44] if you see an English-only interface, you should realize that you'd better speak English as well [01:45] leonel: Great [01:45] leonel: still working on the squirrelmail patches? [01:45] bmm, crimsun: okay.. i'll do that.. they recently messed with the CSS so that the "portlets" get all messed up in my browser [01:46] dakira: opera? [01:46] leonel: I see that Debian had a security update for squirrelmail in sarge (1.4.4 I think?) [01:46] ajmitch: exactly ;) [01:46] leonel: so if you haven't already known that, it may be useful for you [01:46] dakira: already fixed, will be rolled out in a couple of days [01:46] (according to reports earlier) === brentc4m [n=brent@adsl-75-62-178-87.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] ajmitch: nice.. thx for the information.. this was really annoying === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] minghua: yes edgy and dapper didn't had any applied and since are older versions the patches need to get "by hand" [02:10] minghua: debian has squirrelmail 1.4.4 and edgy has 1.4.8 and dapper 1.4.6 [02:10] leonel: oh. sorry to hear about that. no shorcut for us, then. :-( [02:10] minghua: no === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Acksys [n=acksys@cpe-024-088-056-038.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rollerskatejamms [n=rollersk@pool-71-249-99-9.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === psusi [n=chatzill@user-0c6s9ib.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jucato [n=jucato@58.69.178.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micahcowan [n=micahcow@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-96309ad1e84b06f5] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-021-017.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] Hey any motu's around feeling up for a revu? === Fezzler [n=christop@cpe-071-075-168-219.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:14] Appropriate to ask Samba Q? [04:15] Fezzler: Samba packaging or samba using question? === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:16] Using/Setting up basics...not step-by-step...big picture [04:17] Fezzler: I'd suggest #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server [04:17] Sorry, I'm new to irc (but grateful for it!) [04:17] Not a problem. [04:17] Thanks for your kindness. [04:17] Not very many people around here right now to ask anyway. [04:17] You're welcome. [04:17] -server is probably a bit quiet too [04:17] Is there a "Directory of ircs" === ScottK is sure there is, but doesn't know where to point you. [04:18] I assume there are "channels" of sorts? [04:18] that's it, thanks [04:18] Fezzler: Yes and channels have topics you can read so you can find out if you are in the right channel. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:18] If you don't get it when you connect, you can type /topic and get it repeated for you. [04:19] Thanks again Scott [04:19] You're welcome. [04:19] ScottK: send in an app yet? [04:19] ;-) === Fezzler [n=christop@cpe-071-075-168-219.carolina.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:19] LaserJock: It's written. I probably over asked for sponsors, but I'm giving people a day to respond to my request before I hit send. === ScottK would like all the help he can get. [04:20] you seem worried [04:20] heh === ScottK has an irrationally great fear of rejection. I'm always over-prepared and fearful for this kind of thing. My own little special psychosis. [04:21] LaserJock: and you, core-dev? [04:22] LaserJock: the process has changed for core-dev now, fyi :) [04:22] I expect you'll be applying one day soon [04:22] well, I tried at UDS [04:23] oh? === ajmitch heard rumours of such a thing [04:23] hehe [04:24] but the new procedure is for the MC to collect testimonials & give a recommendation [04:24] so I found out ;-) [04:24] (at least it's a proposed procedure) [04:24] dholbach was unaware of the procedure change [04:24] so you've got more people to bribe [04:24] dholbach sent out the mail about it on the 8th [04:24] I even updated my wiki page in preperation [04:24] so I presume he found out about it at UDS [04:25] yes [04:25] oli asked mdz about it [04:25] and mdz said I needed MC to recommend [04:25] so I talked with dholbach [04:25] who talked to mdz [04:25] etc. [04:25] heh [04:25] wonderful communication [04:26] so I'm waiting until the process is nailed down [04:26] which I was hoping would be quick === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.174.62] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] but it'll be a few months knowing how things have gone in the past ;-) === ScottK often finds opportunity in chaos. [04:27] LaserJock: maybe by the time a new TB has been voted in? :) [04:27] which was an urgent task at mt view === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.174.62] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] haha [04:28] oh heah, persia is a MOTU! [04:28] I really wish I had a better idea of if I would make core-dev [04:29] my +packages page is not looking so good these days === ScottK needs to finish the kitchen and get to bed, so good night everyone. [04:29] cya [04:30] bye ScottK [04:30] heh [04:30] "This will take place by November 21st, so that the new technical board may convene on that day." === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-132-217.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:30] nov 21st, which year? [04:31] anyone [04:31] the power of being vague ;-) [04:34] edgy's squirrelmaill debdiff ready to upload ... === LongPointyStick [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LongPointyStick boo [04:39] yikes [04:39] hehe :) [04:39] oh dear [04:39] run away === LongPointyStick spears LaserJock [04:40] ouch === LongPointyStick spears ajmitch for even thinking about running away. [04:40] geeze, somebody is a little grumpy from a long flight [04:41] obviously [04:41] long flight & no sleep [04:41] LaserJock: assignments, actually. [04:41] that too [04:43] and jet lag [04:44] yeah [04:44] and really really hungry. [04:44] I'm still completely wiped out and a bit "confused" as to time, etc. === ajmitch injects some caffeine into LongPointyStick [04:44] LaserJock: really? === LongPointyStick hits the walls.. [04:45] LaserJock: I feel just fine [04:45] I think if I would have just come home and stayed there I would have been a bit better off [04:46] heh [04:46] then yesterday I had 5 hrs straight of grading/proctoring starting at 9:00am [04:47] a little "welcome home" present ;-) [04:47] ajmitch: lucky you. [04:47] LaserJock: ugh [04:47] LongPointyStick, this might help http://flickr.com/photos/gyrm/500234081/ [04:47] :D [04:48] LaserJock: I took 1 day off, and then was back at work at 8:30 this morning [04:48] mmm, pizza [04:48] is that broccoli? === ajmitch did just have lunch with a few canonical people today [04:48] hi [04:49] I think I'd have to fly somewhere to get lunch with a Canonical person [04:49] I wonder who's closest to me [04:49] probably keescook [04:49] hi chillywilly [04:49] effie_jayx: i probably shouldnt look [04:50] LongPointyStick, hehe... [04:50] closest to me is about 10-15 min walk away [04:50] dunedin is a nice small city [04:50] yet [04:50] LongPointyStick: not had breakfast either? === LaserJock grabs LongPointyStick and stabs ajmitch [04:50] LaserJock: but why?! [04:50] anyone wanna test my new crack? [04:50] Amaranth: no [04:50] no [04:50] heh === Fujitsu attacks Amaranth with LongPointyStick. [04:51] no one likes bling :/ [04:51] I'm wary of Amaranth crack ;-p [04:51] is it compizy bling? === apacheLAGger [n=me@N814P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:51] Amaranth: I'm on an etch box that has some really crappy sis video chipset [04:51] so no bling for me [04:51] it's compiz-0.5.0+git20070515 [04:51] for gutsy [04:52] yeah, the only machine I can get to use compiz is my server [04:52] err, 14 [04:52] go figure [04:52] Amaranth: Why so old? [04:52] haha [04:53] You can't have out of date cutting-edge blink. [04:53] *bling [04:53] I'm just trying mundane things like figuring out what the heck this C++ line does: [04:53] gcpReactionsPlugin::gcpReactionsPlugin (): gcp::Plugin () [04:53] the only update worth snagging from the 15th is a check for xsltproc [04:56] hmm, I forgot about my blogs while at UES/UDS [04:56] I suppose I need to do a Behind MOTU [04:57] LaserJock: yep [04:57] who's the lucky victim this time? [04:58] hmmmmmm [04:59] a shiny new MOTU might make an enticing victim [04:59] that definitely rules me out ;) [04:59] And me, I might add. [04:59] hmm, StevenK would be a good one [04:59] mwuahaha === Knightlust [n=DaxSolom@203.87.200.214] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:00] Can I refuse? :-P [05:00] I guess I must be an old timer now. I got an LP team timeout notice today ;-) [05:00] StevenK: nope [05:00] LaserJock: oh really? [05:01] for edubuntu-bugsquad === dakira [n=daxel3@e177199176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:01] it must have been a 1 year term [05:02] LaserJock: If you want to, make me a victim. === ajmitch must be expiring from a few teams soon [05:02] like motu [05:03] with all these motu's here in the room at once - someone want to offer a few moments for a revu? [05:03] * MOTUs scatter * === ajmitch points at LaserJock [05:04] haha [05:04] superm1: We're here to socalise, not do work! [05:04] superm1: what's the revu URL? [05:04] http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=5140 [05:04] mythbuntu-artwork-usplash [05:04] Come on LP, tell me when my memberships expire. [05:06] LaserJock: persia was approved yesterday. He'd make a fine victim^Wcandidate. [05:07] Oh, I have an idea. [05:07] Why doesn't Behind MOTU interview LaserJock. === chrysn [n=chrysn@86.59.50.121] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:07] uhhh, no === StevenK smirks. [05:07] not yet at least ;-) [05:07] I might put something up eventually [05:08] LaserJock: Ahh, this is your plan. You want to drive the spotlight and not be in it. [05:08] even though it'd feel weird interviewing myself [05:08] thankfully I won't be interviewable, as I expire from MOTU & ubuntu-dev shortly. =) [05:08] LaserJock: Get him! [05:08] yeah [05:08] crimsun: Now you've done it. Draw attention to yourself and LaserJock's "lasers" will find you. [05:09] so now I have 3 handy victims [05:09] easily deflected by ALSA bugs. [05:09] LaserJock: So you're into foursomes? [05:09] LaserJock: 3? [05:09] Ew, I think I just grossed myself out. [05:09] persia, StevenK, and crimsun === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [05:10] StevenK: please go & sit in the corner for a few weeks [05:10] ajmitch: What do you think I did while you were off enjoying UDS? [05:10] [05:11] hey now, uds was hard work [05:11] I'm suspecting not as hard or demanding as $DAY_JOB, though. [05:12] I should shut up. The headache I'm developing is getting worse. [05:14] I find UDSs much more demanding than $DAY_JOB [05:15] but my day job is fairly undemanding for the most part [05:15] It depends on how demanding $DAY_JOB is. [05:16] For the most part, I have a large list of things to do, and for the last few weeks I've felt like it isn't getting any better. [05:17] Wow, Microsoft has some really nice patents. I just found the one covering Microsoft BOB. [05:17] Fujitsu: Does it mention that the user interface can be used to scare small children? [05:17] StevenK: Unfortunately not. [05:20] Oh my, they have patents over computers controlling cars. === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:21] no wonder my car doesn't work sometimes [05:21] it's XP crashing ;-) [05:21] I do wonder if the Microsoft BOB patent is being waved against us. === Fujitsu warns Beryl about the cursor-locating thing. [05:21] StevenK: It probably is. [05:21] What the hell for? :-P [05:22] How can such trivial things as pressing the Ctrl key to indicate where the cursor is be patentable? [05:22] it sounds dumb [05:22] but you'd be surprised how much bullshit gets patented [05:22] No we wouldn't. [05:22] such stupidly simple basic concepts [05:22] i.e. amazons "one click shopping" [05:23] oh noes we reduced shopping to one click to order and post it [05:23] PATENT! === Lathiat tests the feisty upgrader (from edgy) on his work desktop [05:23] Oh, sorry, this patent only covers drawing concentric geometric shapes around the cursor, not water ripples. === Lathiat laughs [05:23] Fujitsu: beryl needs a burning cursor [05:24] Now that'd be cool. [05:24] ajmitch: and if you move the cursor over a window [05:24] ajmitch: Concentric circles of fire, even better. [05:24] it closes it in flames [05:24] Lathiat: Hahah. [05:24] UNPRECEDENTED USABILITY AND FUNCTIONALITY!!111eleventy-one1 === Lathiat files a patent [05:24] No no, if you leave the cursor over a window for too long it bursts into flames. [05:24] for extra fun [05:24] do it to the root window [05:24] and have it log you out [05:25] Hah [05:25] Hah. [05:25] Nautilus might have something to say about that. [05:25] hrm i keep getting that stupid "which md arrays do you need to boot" question on feisty upgrades [05:25] Given it seems to be do nefarious things to get a desktop background and it isn't the root window. [05:26] nautilus doesn't paint on the root window? [05:26] I thought it had its own? [05:26] i noticed somethign weird once [05:26] i managed to get nautilus's root window [05:26] into its own floating window [05:27] For example, xsetroot doesn't work with KDE or Nautilus. [05:27] LaserJock: ya know, I that you were at UDS, but I totally failed to find you and introduce myself. I managed to put a face to a name for almost everyone else. /me is ashamed [05:27] StevenK: xplanet breaks too [05:27] keescook: he ran away early [05:27] ajmitch: Sounds about right. [05:28] ajmitch: ah, did he? [05:28] keescook: Did you see that leonel uploaded the Edgy debdiff for squirrelmail. [05:28] keescook: I vaguely recall meeting you there :) [05:28] ScottK: yeah, just saw the email. I'll get it spun up. [05:28] OK. Great. [05:28] keescook: I did see you, but I was too busy to introduce myself [05:28] ajmitch: hehe. btw, have you got those selinux bits? [05:28] keescook: yeah, on the laptop === man-di_ [n=mkoch@dyndsl-080-228-199-217.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:29] but I'm at work, and the laptop isn't :) [05:29] keescook: There is a new clamav merge to do. Don't worry about it, I've started on it. [05:29] ajmitch: hehe. I understand -- I have notes on mine I still need to pull [05:29] ajmitch: What are you doing working without your laptop? [05:29] ScottK: very cool; yeah, please take it. :) [05:29] StevenK: using a debian box at work instead? === ScottK is learning new bits about inits as I think they solved some of the same problems in this update we did before in our diff, just in a different way. Yeah. Testing... [05:30] keescook: I'll look at samba in a couple of hours too [05:32] ajmitch: awesome. :) === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.120.7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch may need to invest in some alcohol to ease the pain [05:33] Of the samba merge? [05:33] StevenK: partly [05:34] I've done it in the past, but I need to get a good summary of what each patch we carry does === ajmitch also needs to work on a couple of his other packages, including some nasty ones === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-595b2a57ec593ae6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === racarr_ [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:51] darn, I did have to pick a 0ubuntu1 package to try to merge === Fujitsu watches apt{-get,itude} be taken out by a Microsoft patent. [05:51] LaserJock: Is that a problem? [05:51] LaserJock: why is that a problem? [05:53] well, I gotta figure out if there was anything Ubuntu-specific about the package [05:54] hm, where's the gpg key for keyring@tiber.tauware.de ? doing a key search doesn't find it. [05:54] interdiffing of the .diff.gzs is your friend. === psusi_ [n=chatzill@user-0c6s9ib.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:54] keescook: I don't think there is one [05:54] keescook: is it needed? [05:54] "Please send a signed and encrypted mail with your password and GnuPG keyid to [MAILTO] keyring@tiber.tauware.de. We will mark you as Reviewer in the database." [05:55] keescook: interesting, where did you see that? === Fujitsu hasn't seen that instruction before. [05:55] I can't send it encrypted without that... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [05:55] I thought it was more like `talk to a REVU admin' [05:55] optionally, can someone set me as a reviewer? :) [05:55] keescook: depends on whether we can agree on a price [05:56] whatever ajmitch's price I'll got $10 less ;-) [05:56] s/got/go/ [05:56] Then that case, ajmitch say $9. === keescook fishes around in his leftover euro coins [05:57] Sweet, I'll kick back 50% of the $1 profit to StevenK [05:57] Nice. :-) [05:57] Actually 50 euro cents probably won't even cover postage here. :-P [05:58] d'oh [05:58] ack, gotta sleep. ttyl [05:59] Bye, keescook. [05:59] Fujitsu: This is going to rebound on them. [05:59] The patent thing. [05:59] ScottK: It had better. [05:59] But the FUD is likely to cause a lot of image damage to F/LOSS [06:00] Well I'd been working (in another Open Source project with a guy at MS on trying to get some common definitions on related stuff between our project and theirs. [06:00] keescook: I was about to ask, do you have a revu account already? [06:00] ah, found it === ScottK just e-mailed him and told him I wasn't going to bother with it. [06:00] We [06:00] We'll go our way and stuff them (was more polite in the email). [06:00] Remember that Linux doesn't exist in 2007. [06:01] keescook: done [06:01] ScottK: You shouldn't blame the guy just because of his choice of employer, surely? [06:01]