[12:18] <micahcowan> Why can't an SRU be a backport?
[12:18] <ajmitch> it can, but generally it shouldn't be
[12:18] <nixternal> paran: --preserve-buildplace
[12:19] <ajmitch> just dumping in a new upstream version isn't the best way to fix a bug
[12:19] <crimsun> micahcowan: in the strict sense, an SRU is just a fix for a regression.  It /can/ be backported from a newer version; they're not mutually exclusive generally.
[12:20] <plugwash> i dunno about ubuntu but with debian the general priciple of updates to stable releases is change the minimum nessacery thereby keeping the risk of regressions to a minimum
[12:20] <crimsun> micahcowan: we use SRU very specifically to mean an existing fix that is easily verified, tested, and has no regressions.
[12:21] <plugwash> s/no regressions/no known regressions/
[12:22] <micahcowan> So, the rough critereon would be, if the new, existing package version is little more than a fix to that (and maybe other) regression/vulnerability, it could probably serve as an SRU; otherwise it should come in the form of a patch to the current (for that release) package?
[12:22] <crimsun> no, SRUs are _always_ patches.
[12:22] <crimsun> the only exceptions are things in main like gnome.
[12:23] <micahcowan> so, when you said backport just now, you meant of that particular piece of code, and not of the package.
[12:23] <crimsun> that is correct.
[12:23] <crimsun> remember that it's not restricted to backporting; it can entail forwardporting, too.
[12:24] <micahcowan> Gotcha. Okay, well I expect I will probably find the relevant code for this fix in either or both of its predecessor or successor. :)
[12:24] <micahcowan> Thanks very much for the help, crimsun and ajmitch.
[12:29] <micahcowan> Edgy support is until 2007 Oct, yes?
[12:29] <micahcowan> Ah, until 2008. I see it.
[12:30] <ajmitch> unfortunately
[12:31] <paran> nixternal: that cleans up on failure and successful builds according to the man page
[12:33] <Hobbsee> blerg.
[12:34] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: morning! :)
[12:35] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: had a good sleep?
[12:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: didnt sleep
[12:35] <Hobbsee> all these assignments - eek.
[12:35] <ajmitch> hehehe
[12:35] <ajmitch> ;)
[12:35] <ajmitch> it's your own fault
[12:35] <ajmitch> you should really get back to your usual timezone so that you can at least start working on them
[12:36] <Hobbsee> true
[12:36] <Hobbsee> physics due last week, elec due tomorrow, maths today, maths test sometime, 2 pracs...
[12:37] <Hobbsee> there's probably more
[12:37] <ajmitch> UDS was far more fun than assignments, right?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> true
[12:38] <Hobbsee> i was very tempted not to come back to uni...
[12:38] <ajmitch> and do what?
[12:38] <crimsun> poke people with sticks.  smuggle cigarettes.  anything but uni.
[12:39] <ajmitch> except I sort of need to have money to live
[12:39] <crimsun> that's why I don't go to UDSes.  Once you see the greener grass, it all goes to shite.
[12:40] <ajmitch> heh
[12:40] <ajmitch> surely the grass is green where you work
[12:40] <Hobbsee> crimsun: how'd you know about the cig smuggling?
[12:40] <crimsun> maybe.  I'm in a dank basement with no windows.
[12:40] <crimsun> Hobbsee: I read scrollback.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> right
[12:40] <Hobbsee> although maybe i did
[12:41] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: your partner in crime did
[12:42] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[12:42] <Hobbsee> that was a shame,yes.
[12:43] <Hobbsee> and it apperas they're talking about exams already, and i cant just bullshit electronics again, by answering only half the paper
[12:43] <Hobbsee> (like usual, for our electronics papers, which only require half the questions to be answered)
[12:43] <ajmitch> you actually have to do work?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> i actually have to know all of it, yes.
[12:44] <ajmitch> scary
[12:44] <Hobbsee> ooh, and a lab report.  for a lab i havent done.  *EXCELLENT*.
[12:45] <Hobbsee> and MQ is broken again, so i cant access it.
[12:45] <ajmitch> even worse, you'll have to actually *attend* university
[12:47] <Hobbsee> seeing as the first and third have botched their webpages, which the comp department is also reponsible for.
[01:07] <bmm> bddebian: thanks for the review!
[01:08] <bmm> oh, nobody online under that name... well still.
[01:08] <bmm> When there is a "questionable" copyright problem, how can that be solved? Are there lawyers online?
[01:09] <jmg> does canonical not have a general counsel for these matters?
[01:09] <jmg> perhaps you could write to the eff?
[01:09] <bmm> hope it doesn't need a whole counsel
[01:10] <bmm> that will take allot of time, and it's really a simple package appart from one of the licenses not being a FSF approved license :-S
[01:11] <jmg> bmm: debian-legal is a good place to take it, though they tend to err on the side of caution
[01:11] <jmg> whats the package/license?
[01:11] <bmm> Hope that doesn't kill my  package :-S http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5125
[01:12] <bmm> jmg: ow, wait the license is online here: http://userpages.umbc.edu/~mabzug1/cs/md5/md5.html
[01:12] <bmm> bottom of the page
[01:14] <jmg> bmm: how is this different to md5sum?
[01:14] <bmm> jmg: ooh, good point, I'll see if I can find another accepted package with the same license. But the implementation is equal.
[01:19] <jmg> absolutely no discussion on debian-legal
[01:20] <dakira> hi! can I ask packaging related questions here, or is this channel for motus only?
[01:21] <bmm> just ask
[01:23] <micahcowan> dakira, I'd venture a guess that there are many more "motu hopefuls" than motus here :)
[01:23] <dakira> thx ;) i'm building several packages interdependend on each other.. I use pbuilder.. so the first one is a library.. the second one a daemon depending on it.. of course pbuilder can't download the dependency (after adding it to the contro file) because it is not in the repos
[01:23] <dakira> how would I go about this? any hints to documentation?
[01:26] <dakira> i am building the cdemu experimental, btw
[01:27] <micahcowan> Hi Hobbsee
[01:28] <LongPointyStick> hiya
[01:28] <LongPointyStick> there's too much work to do...
[01:28] <pochu> LOL @ bug 114842
[01:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114842 in Ubuntu "" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114842
[01:28] <LongPointyStick> and there was no point in coming in thsi morning.
[01:28] <bmm> dakira: I don't know the awnser to it, but http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/pbuilder_backports/pbuilderbuild.html may hold the awnser.
[01:29] <micahcowan> I haven't played around with such a situation, dakira... I'm kind of hoping someone will answer you. A couple things that spring to mind would be to install both packages with the same dpkg -i command, while doing a "pbuilder execute". You'll need a clever way to get the packages into your "execute" shell.
[01:29] <bmm> dakira: in the meantime, keep monitoring this channel. There may jus be smart poeple out there ;-)
[01:30] <micahcowan> dakira, if you don't get an answer, it might be worth joining and posting to the ubuntu-motu mailing list. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
[01:30] <dakira> bmm: you link is just about general usage.. i know everything about that ;) but thanks anyway!
[01:30] <dakira> micahcowan: i thought about something like this.. seems kind of dirty.. i thought there might be a general way to go about it
[01:31] <bmm> dakira: thought the "Feeding your build environment" things might help you enxtend it with your local package list :-D
[01:31] <ajmitch> specifically running dpkg-scanpackage beforehand, and apt-get update within pbuilder
[01:32] <dakira> bmm: ahh... okay.. that might be it!
[01:32] <bmm> dakira: ajmitch seems to know how to do it ;)
[01:34] <dakira> ajmitch: do i assume correctly that you don't build automatically with pbuilder in such a case, but login to it and do everything manually?
[01:34] <ajmitch> dakira: no
[01:34] <ajmitch> I just use pbuilder as normal
[01:36] <dakira> ajmitch: yeah.. I just read the link bmm gave me, which describes exactly what you were saying.. so thank you.. that solves my problem!
[01:38] <dakira> ajmitch: pbuilder is really a mighty thing.. i'm liking it more and more
[01:39] <ajmitch> using ccache with it can help a lot with repeated builds
[01:39] <minghua> pochu: I translated bug 114842
[01:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114842 in Ubuntu "Problems about the panel" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114842
[01:41] <plugwash> in fact it could well be counterproductive
[01:41] <dakira> btw, is there a way to submit a bug I have with launchpad itself?
[01:43] <bmm> dakira: I've done that one, you can just post it in launchpad. I posted a bug about not being able to remove my account. Actually the first bug I ever posted :-)
[01:43] <pochu> minghua: you rock :)
[01:43] <bmm> (in lunchpad)
[01:43] <crimsun> dakira: file it against launchpad
[01:44] <minghua> plugwash: I agree.  I was just wondering how the user reported a bug in Chinese
[01:44] <leonel> ScottK: in the source  Edgy's  squirrelmail  has been patched  now  to build and  test ...
[01:44] <minghua> if you see an English-only interface, you should realize that you'd better speak English as well
[01:45] <ScottK> leonel: Great
[01:45] <minghua> leonel: still working on the squirrelmail patches?
[01:45] <dakira> bmm, crimsun: okay.. i'll do that.. they recently messed with the CSS so that the "portlets" get all messed up in my browser
[01:46] <ajmitch> dakira: opera?
[01:46] <minghua> leonel: I see that Debian had a security update for squirrelmail in sarge (1.4.4 I think?)
[01:46] <dakira> ajmitch: exactly ;)
[01:46] <minghua> leonel: so if you haven't already known that, it may be useful for you
[01:46] <ajmitch> dakira: already fixed, will be rolled out in a couple of days
[01:46] <ajmitch> (according to reports earlier)
[01:47] <dakira> ajmitch: nice.. thx for the information.. this was really annoying
[02:06] <leonel> minghua: yes   edgy and dapper  didn't had any applied   and   since are  older versions the  patches need to get  "by hand"
[02:10] <leonel> minghua: debian has  squirrelmail 1.4.4  and  edgy has  1.4.8  and  dapper  1.4.6
[02:10] <minghua> leonel: oh.  sorry to hear about that.  no shorcut for us, then. :-(
[02:10] <leonel> minghua:  no  
[04:01] <superm1> Hey any motu's around feeling up for a revu?
[04:14] <Fezzler> Appropriate to ask Samba Q?
[04:15] <ScottK> Fezzler: Samba packaging or samba using question?
[04:16] <Fezzler> Using/Setting up basics...not step-by-step...big picture
[04:17] <ScottK> Fezzler: I'd suggest #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
[04:17] <Fezzler> Sorry, I'm new to irc (but grateful for it!)
[04:17] <ScottK> Not a problem.
[04:17] <Fezzler> Thanks for your kindness.
[04:17] <ScottK> Not very many people around here right now to ask anyway.
[04:17] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[04:17] <ajmitch> -server is probably a bit quiet too
[04:17] <Fezzler> Is there a "Directory of ircs"
[04:18] <Fezzler> I assume there are "channels" of sorts?
[04:18] <Fezzler> that's it, thanks
[04:18] <ScottK> Fezzler: Yes and channels have topics you can read so you can find out if you are in the right channel.
[04:18] <ScottK> If you don't get it when you connect, you can type /topic and get it repeated for you.
[04:19] <Fezzler> Thanks again Scott
[04:19] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[04:19] <LaserJock> ScottK: send in an app yet?
[04:19] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:19] <ScottK> LaserJock: It's written.  I probably over asked for sponsors, but I'm giving people a day to respond to my request before I hit send.
[04:20] <ajmitch> you seem worried
[04:20] <LaserJock> heh
[04:21] <ajmitch> LaserJock: and you, core-dev?
[04:22] <ajmitch> LaserJock: the process has changed for core-dev now, fyi :)
[04:22] <ajmitch> I expect you'll be applying one day soon
[04:22] <LaserJock> well, I tried at UDS
[04:23] <ajmitch> oh?
[04:23] <LaserJock> hehe
[04:24] <ajmitch> but the new procedure is for the MC to collect testimonials & give a recommendation
[04:24] <LaserJock> so I found out ;-)
[04:24] <ajmitch> (at least it's a proposed procedure)
[04:24] <LaserJock> dholbach was unaware of the procedure change
[04:24] <ajmitch> so you've got more people to bribe
[04:24] <ajmitch> dholbach sent out the mail about it on the 8th
[04:24] <LaserJock> I even updated my wiki page in preperation
[04:24] <ajmitch> so I presume he found out about it at UDS
[04:25] <LaserJock> yes
[04:25] <LaserJock> oli asked mdz about it
[04:25] <LaserJock> and mdz said I needed MC to recommend
[04:25] <LaserJock> so I talked with dholbach
[04:25] <LaserJock> who talked to mdz
[04:25] <LaserJock> etc.
[04:25] <ajmitch> heh
[04:25] <ajmitch> wonderful communication
[04:26] <LaserJock> so I'm waiting until the process is nailed down
[04:26] <LaserJock> which I was hoping would be quick
[04:27] <LaserJock> but it'll be a few months knowing how things have gone in the past ;-)
[04:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock: maybe by the time a new TB has been voted in? :)
[04:27] <ajmitch> which was an urgent task at mt view
[04:27] <LaserJock> haha
[04:28] <LaserJock> oh heah, persia is a MOTU!
[04:28] <LaserJock> I really wish I had a better idea of if I would make core-dev
[04:29] <LaserJock> my +packages page is not looking so good these days
[04:29] <LaserJock> cya
[04:30] <ajmitch> bye ScottK 
[04:30] <ajmitch> heh
[04:30] <ajmitch> "This will take place by November 21st, so that the new technical board may convene on that day."
[04:30] <ajmitch> nov 21st, which year?
[04:31] <LaserJock> anyone
[04:31] <LaserJock> the power of being vague ;-)
[04:34] <leonel> edgy's  squirrelmaill  debdiff ready to upload ...
[04:39] <LaserJock> yikes
[04:39] <LongPointyStick> hehe :)
[04:39] <ajmitch> oh dear
[04:39] <ajmitch> run away
[04:40] <LaserJock> ouch
[04:40] <LaserJock> geeze, somebody is a little grumpy from a long flight
[04:41] <ajmitch> obviously
[04:41] <ajmitch> long flight & no sleep
[04:41] <LongPointyStick> LaserJock: assignments, actually.
[04:41] <LongPointyStick> that too
[04:43] <effie_jayx> and jet lag
[04:44] <LongPointyStick> yeah
[04:44] <LongPointyStick> and really really hungry.
[04:44] <LaserJock> I'm still completely wiped out and a bit "confused" as to time, etc.
[04:44] <ajmitch> LaserJock: really?
[04:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I feel just fine
[04:45] <LaserJock> I think if I would have just come home and stayed there I would have been a bit better off
[04:46] <ajmitch> heh
[04:46] <LaserJock> then yesterday I had 5 hrs straight of grading/proctoring starting at 9:00am
[04:47] <LaserJock> a little "welcome home" present ;-)
[04:47] <LongPointyStick> ajmitch: lucky you.
[04:47] <LongPointyStick> LaserJock: ugh
[04:47] <effie_jayx> LongPointyStick,  this might help http://flickr.com/photos/gyrm/500234081/
[04:47] <effie_jayx> :D
[04:48] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I took 1 day off, and then was back at work at 8:30 this morning
[04:48] <ajmitch> mmm, pizza
[04:48] <LaserJock> is that broccoli?
[04:48] <chillywilly> hi
[04:49] <LaserJock> I think I'd have to fly somewhere to get lunch with a Canonical person
[04:49] <LaserJock> I wonder who's closest to me
[04:49] <LaserJock> probably keescook
[04:49] <ajmitch> hi chillywilly 
[04:49] <LongPointyStick> effie_jayx: i probably shouldnt look
[04:50] <effie_jayx> LongPointyStick,  hehe...
[04:50] <ajmitch> closest to me is about 10-15 min walk away
[04:50] <ajmitch> dunedin is a nice small city
[04:50] <LongPointyStick> yet
[04:50] <ajmitch> LongPointyStick: not had breakfast either?
[04:50] <ajmitch> LaserJock: but why?!
[04:50] <Amaranth> anyone wanna test my new crack?
[04:50] <ajmitch> Amaranth: no
[04:50] <LaserJock> no
[04:50] <Amaranth> heh
[04:51] <Amaranth> no one likes bling :/
[04:51] <LaserJock> I'm wary of Amaranth crack ;-p
[04:51] <LaserJock> is it compizy bling?
[04:51] <ajmitch> Amaranth: I'm on an etch box that has some really crappy sis video chipset
[04:51] <ajmitch> so no bling for me
[04:51] <Amaranth> it's compiz-0.5.0+git20070515
[04:51] <Amaranth> for gutsy
[04:52] <LaserJock> yeah, the only machine I can get to use compiz is my server
[04:52] <Amaranth> err, 14
[04:52] <LaserJock> go figure
[04:52] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: Why so old?
[04:52] <Amaranth> haha
[04:53] <Fujitsu> You can't have out of date cutting-edge blink.
[04:53] <Fujitsu> *bling
[04:53] <LaserJock> I'm just trying mundane things like figuring out what the heck this C++ line does:
[04:53] <LaserJock> gcpReactionsPlugin::gcpReactionsPlugin (): gcp::Plugin ()
[04:53] <Amaranth> the only update worth snagging from the 15th is a check for xsltproc
[04:56] <LaserJock> hmm, I forgot about my blogs while at UES/UDS
[04:56] <LaserJock> I suppose I need to do a Behind MOTU
[04:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yep
[04:57] <ajmitch> who's the lucky victim this time?
[04:58] <LaserJock> hmmmmmm
[04:59] <LaserJock> a shiny new MOTU might make an enticing victim
[04:59] <ajmitch> that definitely rules me out ;)
[04:59] <StevenK> And me, I might add.
[04:59] <LaserJock> hmm, StevenK would be a good one
[04:59] <LaserJock> mwuahaha
[05:00] <StevenK> Can I refuse? :-P
[05:00] <LaserJock> I guess I must be an old timer now. I got an LP team timeout notice today ;-)
[05:00] <LaserJock> StevenK: nope
[05:00] <ajmitch> LaserJock: oh really?
[05:01] <LaserJock> for edubuntu-bugsquad
[05:01] <LaserJock> it must have been a 1 year term
[05:02] <StevenK> LaserJock: If you want to, make me a victim.
[05:02] <ajmitch> like motu
[05:03] <superm1> with all these motu's here in the room at once - someone want to offer a few moments for a revu?
[05:03] <LaserJock> * MOTUs scatter *
[05:04] <superm1> haha
[05:04] <StevenK> superm1: We're here to socalise, not do work!
[05:04] <LaserJock> superm1: what's the revu URL?
[05:04] <superm1> http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=5140
[05:04] <superm1> mythbuntu-artwork-usplash
[05:04] <StevenK> Come on LP, tell me when my memberships expire.
[05:06] <crimsun> LaserJock: persia was approved yesterday.  He'd make a fine victim^Wcandidate.
[05:07] <StevenK> Oh, I have an idea.
[05:07] <StevenK> Why doesn't Behind MOTU interview LaserJock.
[05:07] <LaserJock> uhhh, no
[05:07] <LaserJock> not yet at least ;-)
[05:07] <LaserJock> I might put something up eventually
[05:08] <StevenK> LaserJock: Ahh, this is your plan. You want to drive the spotlight and not be in it.
[05:08] <LaserJock> even though it'd feel weird interviewing myself
[05:08] <crimsun> thankfully I won't be interviewable, as I expire from MOTU & ubuntu-dev shortly.  =)
[05:08] <StevenK> LaserJock: Get him!
[05:08] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:08] <StevenK> crimsun: Now you've done it. Draw attention to yourself and LaserJock's "lasers" will find you.
[05:09] <LaserJock> so now I have 3 handy victims
[05:09] <crimsun> easily deflected by ALSA bugs.
[05:09] <StevenK> LaserJock: So you're into foursomes?
[05:09] <ajmitch> LaserJock: 3?
[05:09] <StevenK> Ew, I think I just grossed myself out.
[05:09] <LaserJock> persia, StevenK, and crimsun 
[05:10] <ajmitch> StevenK: please go & sit in the corner for a few weeks
[05:10] <StevenK> ajmitch: What do you think I did while you were off enjoying UDS?
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[05:11] <ajmitch> hey now, uds was hard work
[05:11] <StevenK> I'm suspecting not as hard or demanding as $DAY_JOB, though.
[05:12] <StevenK> I should shut up. The headache I'm developing is getting worse.
[05:14] <LaserJock> I find UDSs much more demanding than $DAY_JOB
[05:15] <LaserJock> but my day job is fairly undemanding for the most part
[05:15] <StevenK> It depends on how demanding $DAY_JOB is.
[05:16] <StevenK> For the most part, I have a large list of things to do, and for the last few weeks I've felt like it isn't getting any better.
[05:17] <Fujitsu> Wow, Microsoft has some really nice patents. I just found the one covering Microsoft BOB.
[05:17] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Does it mention that the user interface can be used to scare small children?
[05:17] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Unfortunately not.
[05:20] <Fujitsu> Oh my, they have patents over computers controlling cars.
[05:21] <LaserJock> no wonder my car doesn't work sometimes
[05:21] <LaserJock> it's XP crashing ;-)
[05:21] <StevenK> I do wonder if the Microsoft BOB patent is being waved against us.
[05:21] <Fujitsu> StevenK: It probably is.
[05:21] <StevenK> What the hell for? :-P
[05:22] <Fujitsu> How can such trivial things as pressing the Ctrl key to indicate where the cursor is be patentable?
[05:22] <Lathiat> it sounds dumb
[05:22] <Lathiat> but you'd be surprised how much bullshit gets patented
[05:22] <StevenK> No we wouldn't.
[05:22] <Lathiat> such stupidly simple basic concepts
[05:22] <Lathiat> i.e. amazons "one click shopping"
[05:23] <Lathiat> oh noes we reduced shopping to one click to order and post it
[05:23] <Lathiat> PATENT!
[05:23] <Fujitsu> Oh, sorry, this patent only covers drawing concentric geometric shapes around the cursor, not water ripples.
[05:23] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: beryl needs a burning cursor
[05:24] <StevenK> Now that'd be cool.
[05:24] <Lathiat> ajmitch: and if you move the cursor over a window
[05:24] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Concentric circles of fire, even better.
[05:24] <Lathiat> it closes it in flames
[05:24] <Fujitsu> Lathiat: Hahah.
[05:24] <Lathiat> UNPRECEDENTED USABILITY AND FUNCTIONALITY!!111eleventy-one1
[05:24] <StevenK> No no, if you leave the cursor over a window for too long it bursts into flames.
[05:24] <Lathiat> for extra fun
[05:24] <Lathiat> do it to the root window
[05:24] <Lathiat> and have it log you out
[05:25] <StevenK> Hah
[05:25] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[05:25] <StevenK> Nautilus might have something to say about that.
[05:25] <Lathiat> hrm i keep getting that stupid "which md arrays do you need to boot" question on feisty upgrades
[05:25] <StevenK> Given it seems to be do nefarious things to get a desktop background and it isn't the root window.
[05:26] <Lathiat> nautilus doesn't paint on the root window?
[05:26] <StevenK> I thought it had its own?
[05:26] <Lathiat> i noticed somethign weird once
[05:26] <Lathiat> i managed to get nautilus's root window
[05:26] <Lathiat> into its own floating window
[05:27] <StevenK> For example, xsetroot doesn't work with KDE or Nautilus.
[05:27] <keescook> LaserJock: ya know, I that you were at UDS, but I totally failed to find you and introduce myself.  I managed to put a face to a name for almost everyone else.  /me is ashamed
[05:27] <ajmitch> StevenK: xplanet breaks too
[05:27] <ajmitch> keescook: he ran away early
[05:27] <StevenK> ajmitch: Sounds about right.
[05:28] <keescook> ajmitch: ah, did he?
[05:28] <ScottK> keescook: Did you see that leonel uploaded the Edgy debdiff for squirrelmail.
[05:28] <ajmitch> keescook: I vaguely recall meeting you there :)
[05:28] <keescook> ScottK: yeah, just saw the email.  I'll get it spun up.
[05:28] <ScottK> OK.  Great.
[05:28] <LaserJock> keescook: I did see you, but I was too busy to introduce myself
[05:28] <keescook> ajmitch: hehe.  btw, have you got those selinux bits?
[05:28] <ajmitch> keescook: yeah, on the laptop
[05:29] <ajmitch> but I'm at work, and the laptop isn't :)
[05:29] <ScottK> keescook: There is a new clamav merge to do.  Don't worry about it, I've started on it.
[05:29] <keescook> ajmitch: hehe.  I understand -- I have notes on mine I still need to pull
[05:29] <StevenK> ajmitch: What are you doing working without your laptop?
[05:29] <keescook> ScottK: very cool; yeah, please take it.  :)
[05:29] <ajmitch> StevenK: using a debian box at work instead?
[05:30] <ajmitch> keescook: I'll look at samba in a couple of hours too
[05:32] <keescook> ajmitch: awesome.  :)
[05:33] <StevenK> Of the samba merge?
[05:33] <ajmitch> StevenK: partly
[05:34] <ajmitch> I've done it in the past, but I need to get a good summary of what each patch we carry does
[05:51] <LaserJock> darn, I did have to pick a 0ubuntu1 package to try to merge
[05:51] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Is that a problem?
[05:51] <ajmitch> LaserJock: why is that a problem?
[05:53] <LaserJock> well, I gotta figure out if there was anything Ubuntu-specific about the package
[05:54] <keescook> hm, where's the gpg key for keyring@tiber.tauware.de ?  doing a key search doesn't find it.
[05:54] <Fujitsu> interdiffing of the .diff.gzs is your friend.
[05:54] <ajmitch> keescook: I don't think there is one
[05:54] <ajmitch> keescook: is it needed?
[05:54] <keescook> "Please send a signed and encrypted mail with your password and GnuPG keyid to [MAILTO]  keyring@tiber.tauware.de. We will mark you as Reviewer in the database."
[05:55] <ajmitch> keescook: interesting, where did you see that?
[05:55] <keescook> I can't send it encrypted without that...  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[05:55] <Fujitsu> I thought it was more like `talk to a REVU admin'
[05:55] <keescook> optionally, can someone set me as a reviewer?  :)
[05:55] <ajmitch> keescook: depends on whether we can agree on a price
[05:56] <LaserJock> whatever ajmitch's price I'll got $10 less ;-)
[05:56] <LaserJock> s/got/go/
[05:56] <StevenK> Then that case, ajmitch say $9.
[05:57] <keescook> Sweet, I'll kick back 50% of the $1 profit to StevenK
[05:57] <StevenK> Nice. :-)
[05:57] <StevenK> Actually 50 euro cents probably won't even cover postage here. :-P
[05:58] <keescook> d'oh
[05:58] <keescook> ack, gotta sleep.  ttyl
[05:59] <Fujitsu> Bye, keescook.
[05:59] <ScottK> Fujitsu: This is going to rebound on them.
[05:59] <ScottK> The patent thing.
[05:59] <Fujitsu> ScottK: It had better.
[05:59] <Fujitsu> But the FUD is likely to cause a lot of image damage to F/LOSS
[06:00] <ScottK> Well I'd been working (in another Open Source project with a guy at MS on trying to get some common definitions on related stuff between our project and theirs.
[06:00] <ajmitch> keescook: I was about to ask, do you have a revu account already?
[06:00] <ajmitch> ah, found it
[06:00] <ScottK> We
[06:00] <ScottK> We'll go our way and stuff them (was more polite in the email).
[06:00] <Fujitsu> Remember that Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
[06:01] <ajmitch> keescook: done
[06:01] <StevenK> ScottK: You shouldn't blame the guy just because of his choice of employer, surely?
[06:01] <StevenK> Or is it a Microsoft project?
[06:01] <ScottK> StevenK: I was polite, I just said that there was no will in the community to work with MS anymore.
[06:01] <ScottK> It's a MS project
[06:01] <StevenK> Ah, okay.
[06:01] <Fujitsu> Ah, that's understandable then.
[06:01] <StevenK> In that case, I agree with you.
[06:02] <ScottK> There is some overlap between what they want to do and what we are doing.
[06:02] <Fujitsu> Which project, may I ask?
[06:02] <ScottK> Fujitsu: PM?
[06:02] <Fujitsu> ScottK: Sure.
[06:06] <LaserJock> hmmm, how interesting
[06:06] <LaserJock> checking for python module gtk... X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[06:12] <LaserJock> wow, how is it possible that we have so few Universe merges to do?
[06:12] <StevenK> Because we're so talented and good looking.
[06:12] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: We had about 340 to start with.
[06:13] <LaserJock> there are quite a few more Main merges than Universe
[06:14] <ajmitch> because most people that work on main were at UDS
[06:14] <ajmitch> and changes to packages to main are often more involved
[06:16] <StevenK> I had one that was mine, and I did it.
[06:16] <LaserJock> I'm trying to do one now
[06:16] <LaserJock> but neither the feisty or unstable sources build in my pbuilder
[06:16] <StevenK> I'm pondering hitting up doko or mvo.
[06:24] <superm1> LaserJock, did you get around to looking at that revu (or just its on the todo)?
[06:28] <LaserJock> well, I was just trying to build it
[06:28] <superm1> ah okay
[06:28] <crimsun> speaking of which, superm1 seems like a good candidate, as he has done work with mythtv.
[06:29] <superm1> candidate.....?
[06:29] <crimsun> superm1: we're going to torture you with feathers.
[06:29] <superm1> oh no, i'm going onto LaserJock's blog arent i.....
[06:29] <superm1> :)
[06:33] <superm1> LaserJock, is there a standard questionaire to fill out, or a full out interview you do?
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> Why is the dev I'm trying to work with MIA all the time...
[06:34] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: time zones?
[06:34] <LaserJock> superm1: I make it up as I go ;-)
[06:34] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: nah, e-mail doesn't work either
[06:34] <LaserJock> superm1: left a comment for you
[06:34] <superm1> Thx LaserJock 
[06:34] <LaserJock> superm1: it looks quite good packaging-wise
[06:34] <superm1> i did clean up the license though - 
[06:35] <superm1> and took out the update-alternatives that was unnecessary
[06:35] <LaserJock> you sure you uploaded that?
[06:35] <LaserJock> doh, I see it now
[06:36] <superm1> were you looking at an older upload?
[06:36] <LaserJock> kinda
[06:36] <LaserJock> but you still have 1 more update-alternatives --remove
[06:37] <LaserJock> I thought minghua's suggestion of doing a test for it first was good
[06:37] <superm1> that one should be there
[06:38] <superm1> the one that he was talking about removing was for an older named version
[06:38] <superm1> that wasnt in use
[06:39] <LaserJock> is anything in there CC?
[06:39] <LaserJock> why was CC license in debian/copyright
[06:40] <superm1> because the artwork was going to be CC
[06:40] <superm1> but the author agreed to just make it GPL for simplicities sake
[06:40] <LaserJock> k
[06:40] <LaserJock> k, left another comment ;-)
[06:41] <superm1> k thx
[06:42] <superm1> LaserJock, how long would this feather torture take?  I was going to go to bed in ~20-30 min
[06:42] <jmg> lawl
[06:48] <LaserJock> superm1: I've got to go to bed to
[06:49] <LaserJock> superm1: I'll probably email you within a few days
[06:49] <superm1> okay
[06:49] <LaserJock> I'm so busy playing catch-up at work
[06:49] <superm1> :)
[07:24] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[08:46] <dholbach> good morning
[08:47] <Fujitsu> Hi dholbach.
[08:48] <dholbach> hey Fujitsu
[08:52] <elkbuntu> how are you dear?
[08:52] <crimsun> I'll be allowing my memberships to expire.
[08:53] <dholbach> crimsun: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! pleeeeeeeease!
[08:53] <dholbach> crimsun: when will that happen?
[08:53] <dholbach> elkbuntu: quite good - thank you.... how are you?
[08:53] <elkbuntu> dholbach, tired still ;)
[08:54] <Fujitsu> Hi elkbuntu.
[08:54] <crimsun> dholbach: tomorrow.
[08:54] <Fujitsu> Nooooooooooooooooooo
[08:54] <dholbach> crimsun: which membership is that?
[08:54] <crimsun> ubuntu-dev
[08:55] <crimsun> and motu, too, apparently.
[08:55] <dholbach> crimsun: are you going to re-apply at some stage?
[08:56] <Fujitsu> dholbach: No, he's going to leave us to drown in ALSA.
[08:56] <crimsun> dholbach: I'm not sure.  I'll continue to contribute through patches, but I need to step back drastically due to work and school.
[08:56] <crimsun> Fujitsu: ALSA's just fine.  7.10 will have much improved support thanks to the legwork we've been putting in in #alsa.
[08:56] <dholbach> crimsun: I hope all the best for you!
[08:58] <Fujitsu> :-/
[09:01] <crimsun> man, you guys and gals are rockin'.  Ubuntu is going to continue to rock, so don't worry.  Besides, you're gaining persia and Scot.tK shortly!
[09:03] <ajmitch> dholbach!
[09:03] <dholbach> heya ajmitch
[09:03] <TheMuso> Heya folks,.
[09:03] <Fujitsu> Hey TheMuso..
[09:04] <ajmitch> crimsun: your ubuntu-dev/motu membership may expire, but that means nothing for your upload rights
[09:05] <crimsun> ajmitch: moot issue, since I'll be feeding patches as I have time (which is the real killer for me)
[09:05] <ajmitch> you have until 2008-06-05
[09:08] <TheMuso> crimsun: Sorry to see you go. You have been a great help to the Ubuntu develoment community.
[09:08] <TheMuso> More to the point, a great assett.
[09:08] <ajmitch> definitely
[09:08] <ajmitch> crimsun: we couldn't have got here without you
[09:08] <crimsun> TheMuso: I'm not disappearing, just abiding by the Code to state I'm not going to be able to lift for a while.
[09:09] <elkbuntu> we all know he'll be back. they aaaalways come back ;)
[09:09] <TheMuso> crimsun: Ok, but even so.
[09:12] <Treenaks> hey Burgundavia 
[09:12] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: still in Seville?
[09:12] <Burgundavia> naw, Madrid
[09:13] <siretart> Burgundavia: how's madrid?
[09:13] <Burgundavia> nice
[09:13] <Burgundavia> cooler than Sevilla and cheaper
[09:13] <siretart> :)
[09:14] <ajmitch> hi Burgundavia, siretart 
[09:14] <Burgundavia> I see that gutsy changes is rocking again now that everybody is home
[09:14] <siretart> hi ajmitch & Treenaks 
[09:16] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[09:17] <highvoltage> hey ajmitch, Burgundavia and siretart
[09:17] <ajmitch> uh oh, it's highvoltage 
[09:18] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage
[09:20] <Burgundavia> I need to move to this timezone
[09:20] <Burgundavia> so much more stuff happens
[09:21] <highvoltage> siretart: thanks, you can let go now :)
[09:21] <siretart> hrhr
[09:23] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: heh, and here I thought that more stuff happens in the US timezone :)
[09:23] <Burgundavia> nope
[09:27] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: you.. hobbsee.. everyone wants to move to Europe ;)
[09:27] <Burgundavia> now I just need an interesting job
[09:28] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: lots of those over here ;)
[09:28] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: an interesting job can be both a blessing and a curse
[09:28] <Burgundavia> oh indeed
[09:29] <Treenaks> highvoltage: 'May you live in interesting times' :)_
[09:29] <Burgundavia> may you work for an interesting company
[09:29] <highvoltage> Treenaks: yes :)
[09:32] <imbrandon> moins all
[09:34] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon 
[09:35] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[09:35] <Treenaks> ajmitch: no, you're ajmitch :)
[09:36] <ajmitch> imbrandon: really?
[09:36] <imbrandon> crimsun, good luck and hopefully your heiatus(sp?) is toooo long :)
[09:36] <imbrandon> ajmitch, hehehe
[09:37] <imbrandon> /s/is/isnt
[09:53] <ranf> hi
[10:10] <ranf> Are there any simple jobs to do? For a starter like me. 
[10:11] <crimsun> ranf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO , see the bitesize ones
[10:12] <ranf> crimsun, I'll go looking...
[11:10] <ranf> bug #113368 I can confirm. The debian version has this bug too. Should I file this bug in Debian BTS?
[11:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113368 in proftpd-dfsg "Proftpd 1.3.0 (Ubuntu 7.0.4) Standard Config File wrong (Typo) at section "RequireValidShells"" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113368
[11:12] <ranf> I've already made a dpatch for it.
[11:16] <imbrandon> ranf, sure
[11:18] <ranf> imbrandon, k on my way.
[11:21] <wolfeon> man
[11:21] <wolfeon> I've been telling myself I'd file the python-fam bug all this week :/
[11:21] <wolfeon> I've been wanting to make a patch/package for updating... :(
[11:23] <proppy> how dy ? :)
[11:24] <dholbach> quite good - how are you?
[11:30] <proppy> dholbach: nice, (installing poker server for peoples)
[11:34] <proppy> i looked forward automation of apt,
[11:35] <proppy> cause debootstrap can't resolve dependency when asked to install additional package
[11:35] <proppy> there is some interactive stuff i can't skip (even with DEB_FRONTEND=noninteractive)
[11:36] <proppy> maybe i should give python-apt a try
[11:37] <proppy> i believe that's what apport-retrace use for creating chroot ?
[12:19] <siretart> dholbach: I just wanted to tell you that I've starting mentoring a hopeful using bzr branches on launchpad. works great so far
[12:25] <dholbach> siretart: woah - that's great news
[12:25] <dholbach> siretart: I'm going to write up a proposal for the mentoring process later and ask for comments on the list
[12:30] <slomo> bluekuja: the farsight plugins are just broken, don't worry about them anymore :)
[12:31] <bluekuja> slomo: ok great :)
[12:34] <slomo> bluekuja: not great... annoying :)
[12:35] <bluekuja> slomo :D
[12:35] <bluekuja> slomo: tell me when it will be fixed
[12:36] <slomo> bluekuja: when we have gstreamer/gst-plugins-base 0.10.13 and there is a new gst-plugins-farsight release :)
[12:36] <bluekuja> slomo: ok then :)
[12:43] <imbrandon> gawd i love google
[12:44] <togr> hi
[12:47] <togr> I reported bug  #113803 on launchpad
[12:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113803 in python-scientific "Python-netcdf crashes in Feisty" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113803
[12:47] <togr> and I was going to test the fix
[12:51] <togr> tips/howto on building packages from deb-src + patches?
[01:16] <togr> tips/howto on building packages from deb-src + patches?
[01:18] <Lutin> togr: ?
[01:26] <togr> hi
[01:27] <togr> Lutin, I reported bug  #113803 on launchpad
[01:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113803 in python-scientific "Python-netcdf crashes in Feisty" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113803
[01:27] <togr> and I was going to test the fix
[01:28] <togr> now I'm looking for tips/howto on building packages from deb-src + patches?
[01:35] <ranf> togr, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics 
[01:39] <togr> thanks, looks like just what I was looking for
[01:40] <medoc92> Hello. I have submitted a package for recoll http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4933 . It's been sitting there so long that someone later/recently submitted a debian package now in unstable http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/recoll.html . Does this means that the one on revu should now be updated and based on the debian one ? 
[01:40] <StevenK> medoc92: Yup.
[01:42] <pochu> or simply request a sync :)
[01:45] <medoc92> pochu: what is "request a sync" ? What of the revu entry then ?
[01:45] <pochu> medoc92: since the package is already in Debian, we can import it. That's a sync from Debian
[01:46] <pochu> medoc92: you can still take care of that package (bug reports, packaging issues, report bugs to debian and upstream...)
[01:48] <medoc92> pochu: Ok, I "request a sync" then. Is this enough ? :) I guess that the entry on revu needs to be nuked too.
[01:49] <pochu> medoc92: I don't know whether the revu entry should be removed
[01:49] <pochu> medoc92: maybe a revu admin knows it :)
[01:50] <pochu> medoc92: oh, and it's enough, yes ;)
[01:50] <xxxxx1> morning!
[01:51] <medoc92> pochu: thanks
[01:52] <pochu> medoc92: you're welcome
[02:01] <ScottK> togr: Did you find what you need?
[02:01] <ScottK> wolfeon: Did you file your python-fam bug?
[02:02] <ScottK> Good morning all.
[02:02] <togr> ScottK, I think so yes
[02:03] <ScottK> togr: OK.  Let us know.  Now that there is a fix in Gutsy, there may be a move to give Feisty an update since the bug causes a crash.  That'll need testing too.
[02:04] <togr> I can test the fix without adding packages for Gutsy, right?
[02:04] <ScottK> Yes
[02:05] <ScottK> Download the source package from Gutsy, and then compile and install it locally.
[02:05] <ScottK> Within the Debian package management system that isn't actually very hard.
[02:06] <togr> so I do as in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics, replacing edgy with gutsy_
[02:06] <togr> ?
[02:08] <ScottK> There's a shortcut you can take.
[02:09] <ScottK> togr: Download the script at http://revu.tauware.de/~laserjock/pbuilder-feisty and after installing the pbuilder pacakge run it as sh /path to script/pbuilder-feisty create
[02:10] <ScottK> Then run it as sh /path to script/pbuilder build packagename-version.dsc
[02:10] <ScottK> You'll also need to get the updated source.
[02:10] <togr> run it as pbuilder-feisty or pbuilder-gutsy?
[02:11] <ScottK> feisty
[02:11] <togr> (maybe I should just try it)
[02:11] <ScottK> You want to build the package to run on Feisty, right?
[02:11] <davromaniak> hi here
[02:11] <togr> yes
[02:11] <togr> ah
[02:11] <davromaniak> anybody knows how to add backports repo in a pbuilder ???
[02:11] <ScottK> You can get the source using dget =x http://librarian.launchpad.net/7655629/python-scientific_2.4.11-1ubuntu1.dsc
[02:14] <ScottK> davromaniak: Generically you open up a pbuilder session, edit the pbuilder namespace's sources.list and then exit saving changes.  I don't have the exact procedure.
[02:14] <davromaniak> ok
[02:15] <togr> hmm, setting up pbuilder is not trivial I see
[02:15] <davromaniak> I'm gonna try to customize my .pbuilderrc with OTHERMIRROR
[02:16] <Fujitsu> It's pretty close to trivial.
[02:16] <togr> easy to do -- but involves getting lots of packages anew
[02:17] <ScottK> togr: There's a lot of stuff that happens, but fortunately you don't have to to much of it.
[02:17] <togr> ScottK, exactly.  "trivial" can mean different things
[02:17] <togr> hope I have the disk space for this
[02:18] <ScottK> BTW, togr, welcome.  I'm glad my comment on the bug was sufficient to get you here.
[02:18] <joejaxx> Good Morning MOTU
[02:19] <togr> ;-)
[02:19] <ScottK> Good morning joejaxx
[02:19] <joejaxx> ScottK: hello :)
[02:21] <Amaranth> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8294638@N02/499352340/in/set-72157600219769319/
[02:21] <Amaranth> spooky
[02:21] <Amaranth> ;)
[02:30] <togr> ScottK, for 'sh pbuilder build pname-version.dsc', is it important what name the pbuilder script has?
[02:30] <togr> e.g. should it still be named 'pbuilder-feisty'?
[02:30] <ScottK> Yes.
[02:31] <ScottK> You can copy the same script and use if for multiple releases by changing it's name.
[02:31] <ScottK> Note that there's a slightly modified script in the same location for the Debian pbuilders.
[02:31] <ScottK> It points at their repos and not Ubuntu's.
[02:32] <togr> so building occurs in a separate environment
[02:32] <togr> which has to contain all packages relevant to the current build
[02:33] <togr> I guess next pbuild will see a more complete environment...
[02:35] <ScottK> Yes.  When you pbuild you know you are always building in a clean environment.
[02:36] <togr> neat -- and I see how that could be useful
[02:36] <togr> although being a bit pressed for disk space ...
[02:37] <StevenK> ScottK: I have a pdebuild-multi script and symlink to it.
[02:37] <ScottK> You also know that only the packages that you can safely assume to be present or that are called out as a build dependency will be available, so it's a good way to make sure your build-depends are correct.
[02:38] <togr> ah -- that's neat
[02:38] <ScottK> StevenK: Did you add it to the dev tools project?
[02:38] <StevenK> ScottK: No, should I have? :-)
[02:38] <ScottK> If it'd be useful for other's, I'd think so.
[02:39] <ScottK> TheMuso, iirc, added laserjock's pbuilder scripts to it.
[02:39] <TheMuso> ScottK: What script you thinking of adding
[02:40] <StevenK> I wrote pdebuild-multi, pl-multi and pbuilder-upgrade because I know exactly what they do.
[02:40] <ScottK> TheMuso: StevenK said he had a pdebuild-multi script
[02:40] <TheMuso> ScottK: Ah ok.
[02:40] <togr> ScottK, you mentioned 'dget' above
[02:40] <ScottK> yes
[02:40] <StevenK> Besides, pl-gutsy is less typing than pbuilder-gutsy login
[02:41] <togr> I don't seem to have it
[02:41] <togr> what does it do?
[02:41] <StevenK> togr: Install 'devscripts'
[02:41] <StevenK> togr: It downloads a source package for you, given the URL to the .dsc
[02:42] <ScottK> togr: What he said.
[02:43] <ScottK> togr: dget -x will unpack the source tarball and apply the debian diff so you have a complete source package ready to update, build, etc.
[02:43] <togr> excellent.  So '=x' above should be '-x'?
[02:44] <ScottK> Yes.  Dunno how I typed that before.
[02:46] <togr> http://librarian.launchpad.net/7655629/python-scientific_2.4.11.orig.tar.gz -> 404 Not Found
[02:46] <StevenK> No, it won't work for librarian links.
[02:47] <StevenK> The librarian is ... special
[02:47] <togr> now, I have the file python-scientific_2.4.11-1ubuntu1.dsc
[02:48] <togr> but it does not list the source or patch files
[02:48] <StevenK> It, uh, ought to.
[02:48] <togr> Source: python-scientific
[02:48] <ScottK> togr: My bad I guess.  I didn't know about the specialness of librarian files
[02:49] <togr> bah
[02:49] <StevenK> It isn't that, it's that the URL for every file is different which defeats how dgets downloads them.
[02:49] <togr> forget the last
[02:49] <togr> was thrown off track by the MD5 signatures
[02:49] <togr> :-P
[02:49] <togr> so a regular apt-get then?
[02:50] <togr> for the source, I mean
[02:50] <ScottK> togr: Plan B: Go here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-scientific/2.4.11-1ubuntu1 and get the orig.tar.gz and diff.gz files
[02:50] <ScottK> togr: Then use dpkg-source -x packagname-version.dsc to extract the source package.
[02:51] <ScottK> togr: Or you could change you deb-src line for universe to gutsy, apt-get update, and then apt-get source if you want.
[02:51] <ScottK> That'll work too.
[02:51] <togr> maybe not today
[02:51] <togr> I feel I'm changing enough things right now
[02:52] <ScottK> Understand.
[02:53] <togr> but here everything is slightly different ;-)
[02:53] <StevenK> I'm lucky enough to never have learnt that particular skill.
[02:54] <togr> do I need to do dpkg-source -x or will that happen in the build root as part of pbuilder?
[02:55] <ScottK> Dunno, never tried it.
[02:55] <ScottK> That is never tried to pbuild unextracted source package.
[02:56] <togr> ok, it is building
[02:56] <StevenK> togr: You can either unpack it and run pdebuild, or not and run pbuilder-<> build <.dsc file>
[02:57] <togr> ok -- used the latter now
[02:59] <togr> now where did the resulting packages end up?
[03:00] <StevenK> togr: /var/cache/pbuilder/result , probably
[03:00] <ranf> ~/pbuilder with laserjocks script
[03:00] <StevenK> Typical.
[03:01] <togr> yes, ~/pbuilder it is
[03:02] <togr> ok, final step is to install the new python-scientific packages instead of the previous ones
[03:03] <togr> the previous ones were 2.4.11-1build1
[03:04] <togr> the ones just built are 2.4.11-1ubuntu1
[03:09] <togr> fantastic
[03:09] <togr> !
[03:09] <togr> thanks all
[03:09] <togr> gotta run
[03:09] <\sh> is anyone able to run an X client inside a newly created debootstrap via dchroot?
[03:23] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[03:24] <pgquiles> I am trying to package a library using debhelper but I am doing something is wrong. dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot installs files fine in debian/tmp/usr/lib and debian/tmp/usr/share, but then they are not copied to mylib/usr/lib, mylib/usr/share, mylib-dev/usr/lib and mylib-dev/usr/share. I am following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003. I do have debian/mylib.install and debian/mylib-dev.install
[03:31] <persia> \sh: My dchroot works against schroot LVM snapshots, but dchroot -d -c gutsy 'sudo apt-get install spider; spider' worked fine.
[03:41] <Lutin> togr--: why are you telling me this ?
[03:56] <ScottK> Of course I thought about subscribing to the list AFTER I sent it, not before, so it needs releasing from the moderation queue....
[04:02] <superm1> ScottK, does this mean you'll be able to do some revu's for me soon..... :P
[04:02] <ScottK> superm1: Only if I get accepted.
[04:03] <superm1> well best of luck to you, i'm fairly confident you of all applicants will be get accepted
[04:03] <superm1> from the work i've seen in the channel and such
[04:03] <ScottK> Thanks.
[04:04] <pochu> good luck ScottK
[04:05] <ScottK> Thanks
[04:19] <dholbach> siretart: ROCK!
[04:19] <siretart> ?
[04:19] <dholbach> MOTU/NewMentoring!
[04:20] <siretart> dholbach: ah. I'm already mentoring xxxxx1, so my first slot is already taken ;)
[04:20] <dholbach> once the front desk is up and running, they'll surely consider that :)
[04:20] <asac> dholbach: hope that we won't end up with a complete NM process at some point :-P
[04:20] <siretart> dholbach: do we already have ppl for frontdesk?
[04:21] <siretart> asac: no, I will personally make sure it won't
[04:21] <dholbach> siretart: no, not yet - would you be interested in working on that team?
[04:22] <siretart> dholbach: I think I would do so, at least in the beginning
[04:22] <dholbach> siretart: I think it'd be good to have people who know a bunch of *-dev members already
[04:22] <dholbach> siretart: and it'd be good to have people do the front desk for a year
[04:23] <dholbach> asac: I prefer a light weight process for that
[04:23] <dholbach> siretart: maybe we should add a "i'm interested in working on the front desk" section to that page
[04:24] <asac> i like the idea to have a dedicated mentor, so we can better keep track of prospective motus progress
[04:24] <siretart> hm, I think the MOTU Council should just appoint two persons
[04:24] <dholbach> asac: definitively agreed
[04:25] <siretart> asac: that's the point of the FD. to have a single point where interested people can go to and dispatch them to hopefully well suited mentors
[04:25] <siretart> asac: I hope we can establish good communication as soon as possible in the application process
[04:25] <asac> however, will there be a time-constraint? otherwise i fear that you will end up with an ever increasing amount of students :)
[04:26] <siretart> asac: every mentor has to say how many slots (== applicants) he is willing to take. if there are no free slots, we need to see what to do then
[04:26] <asac> i mean we need a mechanism that cleans up slots automatically :)
[04:26] <siretart> asac: as FD I'd ask existing mentors to recheck their applicants to see if we find a free slot somewhere
[04:26] <StevenK> This smacks of Debian NM a little much for my liking.
[04:26] <Burgundavia> I know, we can use LP!
[04:27] <siretart> StevenK: no, debian's NM process is a bunch of annoying queue where you wait for nothing to happen
[04:27] <asac> as long as there are no rules of how to proceed its just a "mentoring" programm
[04:27] <StevenK> siretart: Ooooh, bitter much?
[04:27] <asac> dholbach: maybe we should not use words already wasted in debian nm, like "frontdesk"
[04:28] <dholbach> asac: if you have a better word, please change it in the proposal
[04:28] <StevenK> I agree with ScottK - I like the current system.
[04:28] <StevenK> People come here and beg and we help them.
[04:28] <dholbach> but there are a lot of people who need the guidance of a dedicated mentor
[04:28] <asac> dholbach: reception :-P
[04:28] <siretart> StevenK: I went through the process there. I do know it ;)
[04:28] <dholbach> I got ~90 mentoring requests in the last year
[04:29] <StevenK> siretart: So do I.
[04:29] <dholbach> most of those were not comfortable joining #ubuntu-motu and fighting their way through documentation and long todo lists
[04:29] <StevenK> siretart: And I've been a DD since mid 2001, and I know it used to be worse.
[04:29] <dholbach> ScottK: I added a blurb saying that "jumping right in and helping out" is appreciated and absolutely OK
[04:30] <dholbach> so this is not a mandatory process
[04:30] <ScottK> dholbach: OK.  I don't mind adding structure for people who need/want it.  Just want to avoid requiring it.
[04:30] <siretart> StevenK: I'm not very comfortable to give newcomers a huge lot of (excellent) documentation to read and expect them to immediately produce excellent packages
[04:30] <dholbach> ScottK: agreed
[04:30] <StevenK> Is this going to augment things like MOTU School?
[04:30] <StevenK> Or replace?
[04:31] <siretart> StevenK: I'd prefer to assign applicatants to a person who cares for them and reviews what he is doing. this way we get much better application reports for the MOTU Council as well
[04:31] <dholbach> asac: "reception" if fine with me
[04:31] <siretart> StevenK: I think this is going to assist MOTU School
[04:31] <ScottK> siretart: What I've mostly been doing is walking people through the process one or two times on IRC for bug fixes and then they charge off on their own.
[04:31] <dholbach> yes
[04:31] <StevenK> siretart: Oh, absolutely agreed. Debian packaging is subtle enough that it requires a bit of time.
[04:32] <StevenK> siretart: Can I suggest the term 'saint' instead of 'mentor' Since they might require the patience of? :-P
[04:32] <ScottK> All people need is enough to do a little bit on their own they they can generally bootstrap themselves after that with some guidance and feedback.
[04:32] <ScottK> sensei
[04:32] <StevenK> dholbach: Yup. I have a few bug reports of yours as evidence. :-P
[04:32] <psusi> is it just me or is debconf not used much these days?
[04:33] <siretart> what's the problem with 'mentor'? is it too overloaded? if yes, by which?
[04:33] <dholbach> ScottK: the more they bootstrap themselves, the better - but it's nice to have a good and light weight process running, which helps them through the worst
[04:33] <dholbach> StevenK: hehe :)
[04:33] <dholbach> please leave more comments on the wiki page
[04:33] <ScottK> siretart: I'd say it's overloaded as what is proposed here for mentor is (I think) not quite the same as what Debian means by mentor.
[04:33] <dholbach> so our conversation in here doesn't get lost
[04:34] <StevenK> psusi: Of the 1,346 packages installed on my machine, 871 import the debconf confmodule in their postinst.
[04:34] <psusi> ohh wow
[04:34] <StevenK> psusi: So it's just you. :-P
[04:34] <psusi> last time I did a dpkg-reconfigure it didn't find that many packages to configure
[04:34] <siretart> ScottK: debian calls it 'AM' (application manager)
[04:35] <StevenK> But why would you do that?
[04:35] <psusi> to see what there was to change ;)
[04:35] <ScottK> siretart: Thanks.  I'm not an expert on the Debian NM process (learned enough to decide it's more trouble than it's worth for me).
[04:35] <StevenK> Okay, can we stop drawing parallels between this process and NM? They have completly seperates goals and problems they are trying to solve.
[04:36] <siretart> dholbach: regarding the discussion about the file format, I think we should go with a CSV file, at least at the beginning
[04:36] <dholbach> WFM
[04:36] <psusi> I'm going to try and help fix a conflicted merge generated by mom.... I'm used to doing three way merges on windows with tortoiseSVN... how can you do that in linux?
[04:36] <StevenK> psusi: diff3
[04:37] <dholbach> I updated the page with some of the comments
[04:37] <psusi> isn't that just the command line diff?  not a gui side by side viewer?
[04:37] <dholbach> please add whatever I forgot
[04:37] <StevenK> Correct.
[04:37] <siretart> we can easily convert CSV to everything, and it is easily editable by texteditors. even merges and diffs work fine with them
[04:37] <psusi> right... so how do I view the diff3 output then? ;)
[04:37] <siretart> psusi: if you use emacs, have a look at the 'ediff' package. You might also try out 'meld'
[04:37] <dholbach> siretart: WFM
[04:38] <siretart> (which is a standalone gtk application)
[04:38] <psusi> hrm... ok... guess I'll have to start learning ediff
[04:39] <StevenK> psusi: There is also fldiff, imediff2, kompare, mgdiff, tkdiff, xfdiff and xxdiff.
[04:39] <dothebart> ajmitch: did you reload the keychain?
[04:39] <dothebart> i forgot to do the email decryption...
[04:40] <psusi> wow
[04:40] <dothebart> StevenK: don't you forget meld.
[04:40] <ScottK> psusi: There's also print them out, line them up side by side, and get out your pen (but I'm really old compared to everyone else here - AFAIK).
[04:41] <StevenK> dothebart: That was pointed out previously, along with ediff.
[04:41] <dothebart> ah ok... 
[04:41] <StevenK> ScottK: Do you do merges with scissors and glue, too?
[04:41] <psusi> lol
[04:42] <ScottK> StevenK: Not in about 25 years, but I may be about to re-adopt the process to figure out the latest clamav merge.
[04:42] <StevenK> Bwaha
[04:42] <StevenK> I've started keeping state in a text editor for larger merges.
[04:43] <StevenK> bacula required roughly 50 lines of notes
[04:44] <StevenK> Anyway, time to sleep.
[04:44] <ScottK> Good night StevenK
[04:44] <StevenK> Night!
[04:44] <dholbach> night StevenK
[04:46] <siretart> dholbach: would you volunteer to work in FD?
[04:47] <dholbach> yes, but it'd be nice if it was somebody else for once :)
[04:47] <dholbach> but yeah, I'd do it
[04:48] <siretart> I was thinking about writing some lines about mentoring based on the experience I make with xxxxx1 right now
[04:48] <dholbach> good idea
[04:49] <siretart> I'll be at LUG-Camp starting from tomorrow until sunday. I won't be offline, but I don't know how stable my internet connection will be
[04:49] <siretart> I'll start writing some notes there and share it with you
[04:52] <dholbach> thanks alot siretart
[04:56] <Daviey> Hi, can i have to use debhelper for packages submitted to REVU?
[04:57] <Daviey> that should read "Do i have to...2
[04:57] <siretart> Daviey: depends on your reviewer ;)
[04:58] <siretart> serious: as long as you don't use yada, I think it'll be fine
[04:58] <Daviey> Can i use the structure for: dpkg-deb --build
[04:58] <siretart> that sounds crackful
[04:59] <Daviey> I'm building a package that does little more than extract to a location
[05:02] <siretart> Daviey: like in shipping data or like in shipping precompiled binaries?
[05:03] <Daviey> siretart, two packages in mind - one is just a shell script | font package
[05:04] <siretart> Daviey: how about contributing them to an existing package instead?
[05:04] <Daviey> can't see how?!
[05:04] <siretart> sorry?
[05:05] <Daviey> One package is an application shell script | a replacement for msttcorefonts
[05:06] <Daviey> replacement being GPL/OFL pack
[05:06] <Burgundavia> you talking about the liberation fonts?
[05:06] <Daviey> yep
[05:07] <Daviey> Burgundavia,  I'm currently trying to package the liberation fonts - then have another package that depends on 'liberation fonts' that creates symlinks to the ms font names
[05:10] <siretart> I'd rather make the two one package
[05:11] <Daviey> Shoudn't msttcorefonts and liberation fonts be able to co-exsist tho?
[05:11] <Daviey> the fake package i was planning on 'replacing' msttcorefonts and depending on liber' fonts
[05:17] <ScottK> Daviey: Please don't do that.  As a user of msttcorefonts I'd want to try them out side by side for a while first.
[05:17] <Loic> Hi
[05:17] <ScottK> Hello
[05:23] <Loic> I've got a question about SRU : when the SRU is approved, the fix commited and the new package has been in proposed for more than a week with more than 2 people saying it works for them
[05:23] <Loic> What should I do know to get the package moved in  universe?
[05:24] <ScottK> Loic: What package?
[05:24] <Loic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xvidcore/+bug/84705
[05:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84705 in xvidcore "[Feisty]  libxvidcore missing dependency for yasm for i386 arch : more than 3 times slower than in edgy" [Medium,Fix committed]  
[05:24] <Loic> libxvidcore4
[05:26] <ScottK> Loic: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU - Tag the package verification-motu-done
[05:27] <ScottK> Loic: I think then imbrandon should subscribe ubuntu-sru if he's satisfied.
[05:27] <Loic> Thank you
[05:30] <Loic> Done :) . imbrandon could you please subscribe ubuntu-sru if you're ok with the package?
[05:30] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:32] <pochu> hi bddebian :)
[05:32] <pochu> bddebian: padawans FTW! :)
[05:35] <bddebian> Hi pochu. :-)
[05:36] <geser> Hi bddebian
[05:39] <bddebian> Heya geser
[05:41] <welshbyte> well as long as we don't have any Anakin Skywalkers in our midst... :)
[05:42] <leonel> hello motus !
[05:43] <leonel> patches !  patches  give me  patches  i need patches ...
[05:43] <leonel> jeje
[05:43] <joejaxx> everyone took all the bitsized bugs from me :(
[05:43] <joejaxx> :P
[05:44] <pochu> leonel: are you on crack? :)
[05:44] <leonel> I'm on bugs ...
[05:44] <pochu> :-)
[05:44] <pochu> Lutin, Adri2000: ping
[05:45] <ScottK> leonel: How's Dapper going?
[05:45] <Loic> About xvidcore4, I subscribed ubuntu-sru to the bug. However, I just checked gutsy and the bug is there as well. Will the fix be automatically ported for gutsy or do I have to do something?
[05:45] <ScottK> Loic: You have to do something.
[05:45] <pochu> Loic: you need to fix gutsy first
[05:45] <pochu> otherwise, the sru won't be approved, afaik
[05:45] <ScottK> pochu: He already fixed Feisty
[05:45] <pochu> did he?
[05:45] <ScottK> Not in this case.
[05:45] <joejaxx> that*
[05:45] <ScottK> Yes
[05:46] <ScottK> Loic: I just nominate the bug for Feisty and Gutsy.  Once a MOTU approves that, you'll be able to track status for each release separately.
[05:46] <ScottK> pochu: Yes, it happens, but not this time...
[05:47] <pochu> ScottK: oks :)
[05:47] <ScottK> Loic: You need to make a proper debdiff for the Gutsy package to and attach that to the bug.
[05:47] <Loic> Yuck
[05:48] <sacater> hey all, when is gutsy beta due out?
[05:48] <sacater> im gonna run it on my new laptop :D
[05:48] <Loic> YuckYuckyuckYuckYuck
[05:49] <pochu> sacater: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[05:49] <sacater> pochu: thanks mate :D
[05:49] <Loic> If I make a debdiff for gutsy, will I have to do the same for gutsy+1?
[05:49] <ScottK> Loic: All you should need to do is change +xvidcore (2:1.1.2-0.1ubuntu1.1~proposed1) feisty-proposed; urgency=low to +xvidcore (2:1.1.2-0.1ubuntu2) gutsy; urgency=low
[05:49] <Loic> ok
[05:49] <sacater> pochu: oh and btw, laptop scare is off, I have one now, not new, not fast, but it does the job :P
[05:49] <ScottK> Loic: No, once it's in the development tree you're done.
[05:50] <Loic> Thanks. Can I just manually modify my debdiff or do I have to rerun the process again?
[05:50] <pochu> sacater: cool :)
[05:50] <bddebian> welshbyte: :-)
[05:50] <ScottK> Loic: If you are careful, since it doesn't affect the number of lines in the diff, you should be able to do it manually.
[05:51] <Loic> Thx :)
[05:53] <leonel> ScottK: in an hour approx  I'll start  with dapper so it must be done TODAY !
[05:53] <ScottK> leonel: Great.  You are doing good work.
[05:54] <ScottK> Loic: Note that make sure what I put above makes sense.  I didn't study it as carefully as I would if I were doing it myself.
[05:54] <Loic> No, it should be ok, it was just about a missing dependency
[05:55] <leonel> ScottK:  had good  teachers :)
[05:55] <ScottK> leonel: Thanks.
[05:56] <Loic> Btw, does anyone know Power PC and other architectures than i386/x64 to tell me if there's any reason not to have xvidcore4 depend on yasm in these architectures?
[05:56] <ScottK> Loic: Investigating that question fully would be a good reason to wait on the Gutsy debdiff until you know ...
[05:58] <Adri2000> pochu: pong
[05:58] <ScottK> Anyone looking for Main SRU practice might want to look at Bug #62255
[05:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62255 in pptpd "pptpd on edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62255
[05:58] <Loic> Actually, I'm not even sure it needs so much investigation. Previous packages depended on yasm on all architectures, and the restriction to x64 was apparently just a blunder
[05:59] <Loic> How should I investigate for other arch since I don't have PPC or other? Is there a mailing list or better an irc channel?
[06:03] <Loic> I'll be trying in  #ubuntu-powerpc...
[06:14] <pochu> Adri2000: the REPORT for amule is 0 bytes, though it says it hasn't found any error, and Ubuntu has a big patch:
[06:14] <pochu> http://dad.dunnewind.net/amule/
[06:16] <Adri2000> pochu: http://dad.dunnewind.net/amule/REPORT ? that works here
[06:17] <pochu> Adri2000: sorry, I mean http://dad.dunnewind.net/amule/amule_2.1.3-2ubuntu1.patch
[06:17] <pochu> Adri2000: it shouldn't be empty, right?
[06:18] <Adri2000> right
[06:18] <Adri2000> I'm looking
[06:18] <pochu> thanks
[06:24] <Adri2000> pochu: there is something wrong that's sure... it may be related to the last change (which fixes the 0ubuntuX only bug), I'll review the code and talk with Lutin about it
[06:25] <pochu> Adri2000: thanks, and please let me know how it goes :)
[06:26] <Adri2000> pochu: yep, np
[06:51] <wolfeon> ScottK: not yet
[06:52] <wolfeon> ScottK: soon though :)
[07:03] <jussi01> gah, am i stupid or something?
[07:03] <jussi01> can someone find me all the bugs which are tagged needs packaging?
[07:05] <joejaxx> jussi01: you mean packages people want in universe?
[07:05] <jussi01> joejaxx: yes...
[07:05] <jussi01> joejaxx: I need a new something to do...
[07:05] <joejaxx> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_contact=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.om
[07:05] <jussi01> :D
[07:05] <joejaxx> there you go
[07:06] <joejaxx> jussi01: :P
[07:06] <jussi01> tanks
[07:06] <joejaxx> jussi01: you are most welcome
[07:07] <jussi01> joejaxx: that gives me a weird, huge list.... :(
[07:07] <Adri2000> jussi01: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?field.tags=needs-packaging
[07:07] <joejaxx> jussi01: yes but i thought you wanted packages that people wanted packaged? :(
[07:08] <Adri2000> err
[07:08] <jussi01> joejaxx: yeah, but what you gave me isnt that :(
[07:09] <joejaxx> jussi01: it is for me
[07:09] <Adri2000> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging
[07:09] <joejaxx> jussi01: it says needs packaging all the way down the list
[07:09] <jussi01> joejaxx: lol it just gives me almost every bug reported...
[07:10] <jussi01> Adri2000: thanks... thats the one.... :D
[07:10] <joejaxx> interesting
[07:10] <joejaxx> i wonder why that is
[07:10] <jussi01> joejaxx: could be kde's fault...
[07:14] <pochu> joejaxx: 1   75  of 42803 results
[07:14] <joejaxx> ah
[07:14] <joejaxx> lol
[07:14] <pochu> jussi01: I guess that's not kde, but a bad link :)
[07:15] <jussi01> :D
[07:15] <joejaxx> actually that is the link off the motu todo page :P
[07:33] <Lutin> pochu: around ?
[07:37] <pochu> Lutin: yep :)
[07:37] <Lutin> pochu: that was about the amule bug..when have you noticed it for the first time ?
[07:38] <pochu> Lutin: this evening
[07:38] <pochu> Lutin: the amule merge has been added recently
[07:38] <pochu> maybe today
[07:39] <pochu> so I looked to the report, and after that looked at the patch
[07:39] <Lutin> ok
[07:39] <pochu> which, surprisingly, was empty
[07:39] <Lutin> pochu: amule wasn't on the list before that ?
[07:40] <pochu> Lutin: before what?
[07:40] <Lutin> pochu: before you noticed the bug. I mean, as it been added today ?
[07:43] <pochu> Lutin: I've noticed the bug today with amule, don't know when it was added :)
[07:43] <Lutin> pochu: ok
[07:43] <pochu> but it's been added recently, since my unique merge was wesnoth
[07:45] <AnAnt> Hello, 
[07:45] <joejaxx> hello
[07:45] <Hobbsee> hiya
[07:45] <bddebian> Heya AnAnt
[07:46] <AnAnt> bddebian: how  r u ?
[07:46] <AnAnt> how can I add a menu icon for a package ? menu file ?
[07:47] <bddebian>  .desktop file
[07:47] <AnAnt> bddebian: is there a dh_* command to install it ?
[07:48] <bddebian> AnAnt: The desktop file or the icon?
[07:49] <AnAnt> bddebian: the desktop file
[07:51] <bddebian> AnAnt: Does the package already have one?
[07:52] <AnAnt> bddebian: no, I will create one, I am doing a menu file now btw
[07:53] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee, heh. Just checking out the photo in which you are being carried to the pool
[07:53] <tuxmaniac> :-)
[07:53] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: heh.
[07:53] <Hobbsee> they threatened to throw me in the pool all week
[07:54] <Hobbsee> attempted to break me in doing so, too...
[07:54] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee, hahah. Mitrandir and Seveas right?
[07:55] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: Seveas and ajmitch 
[07:55] <bddebian> AnAnt: You can use install, dh_install, cp, mv whatever to stick the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications
[07:55] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: mithrandir kinda glared at them and got them to stop
[07:55] <AnAnt> bddebian: ok, thanks
[07:56] <Seveas> Mithrandir has evil glare
[07:57] <Seveas> and Hobbsee has an evil death stare
[07:57] <Hobbsee> and i have the death stare.
[07:57] <welshbyte> some packages use the desktop-file-install tool but it seems to me like it's only useful if you need to munge it a bit in transit
[07:58] <xxxxx1> hello bddebian !
[07:58] <Seveas> Hobbsee, and still I survived :)
[07:58] <tuxmaniac> Seveas, heh. I can see the *death* stare :-) 
[07:58] <Hobbsee> Seveas: so far
[07:58] <tuxmaniac> Seveas, btw thanks for ubotu in #ubuntu-in :-)
[07:58] <Seveas> Hobbsee, well, we're now pretty much at opposite ends of this planet 
[07:58] <bddebian> Heya xxxxx1
[07:58] <Seveas> I feel reasonably safe
[07:59] <AnAnt> bddebian: is that the only way to add menu icons ?
[07:59] <AnAnt> bddebian: I find some apps I got here that don't have .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/
[07:59] <bddebian> AnAnt: You are talking about the gnome menu right?
[07:59] <AnAnt> bddebian: yup
[08:00] <etteyafed> I am working on a kernel module management GUI for gnome and I would like to get the ball rolling on having the .deb looked at. It needs a bit of work still but its ready for inspection I think. Anyone here that can point me in a direction?
[08:02] <tsmithe> rargh i hate it when people don't research things...! (including me)
[08:02] <tsmithe> stupid wired
[08:02] <tsmithe> and debian
[08:02] <tsmithe> rargh
[08:03] <sharms> bryyce: with regards to 1.3 and fglrx -- I think by the time gutsy is released, there will be a brand new fglrx out
[08:04] <sharms> bryyce: they currently have a closed (nda) beta for a total rewrite of the driver
[08:04] <jussi01> tsmithe: lol
[08:04] <bddebian> AnAnt: Well it's the only way I know of so you got me there.
[08:04] <ScottK> !REVU | etteyafed
[08:05] <ubotu> etteyafed: REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[08:05] <AnAnt> bddebian: ok, thanks
[08:05] <etteyafed> sorry... I know this info is available someplace (i looked at before).
[08:06] <bryyce> sharms: yes I hope so
[08:14] <tepsipakki> sharms: "total rewrite" doesn't sound too good :)
[08:15] <tepsipakki> although it can only get better
[08:16] <joejaxx> does anyone have an example of a developmental build naming schema for the ubuntu discs?
[08:16] <joejaxx> s/a/the/g
[08:17] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: define "ubuntu discs"
[08:17] <sharms> tepsipakki: I believe they intend on fully supporting AIGLX etc
[08:17] <joejaxx> i know final is ubuntu-releaseversion-alternative-arch.iso
[08:17] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: ^
[08:17] <pochu> tepsipakki: was -intel ready for a sync, of does it need a merge? :)
[08:17] <joejaxx> s/alternative/alternate/g
[08:17] <Hobbsee> the dailies are the same, arent they?
[08:17] <leonel> ScottK: dapper's squirrelmail  patched in the source  now  to check all  build deb test  all again  and  upload the  debdiff ..
[08:17] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: i do not know
[08:17] <sharms> tepsipakki: nda prevents that from being verified
[08:18] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: i think they're all named the same, so people can rsync
[08:18] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: i am talking specifically about the herd/tribe/flight type discs
[08:18] <ScottK> leonel: Sounds good.
[08:18] <tepsipakki> pochu: needs a merge, git commits are not yet released which should make it syncable
[08:18] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: i'd look them up on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[08:18] <ranf> pochu, I didn't say don't sync. Just give Petter some time to catch up.
[08:19] <tepsipakki> sharms: ok..
[08:19] <pochu> Hobbsee: weren't you asking for merges a while ago? -intel is yours! :)
[08:20] <Hobbsee> pochu: i knwo :(
[08:20] <pochu> Hobbsee: if you don't want to do it, I can take a look :)
[08:20] <Hobbsee> i'll look
[08:20] <Hobbsee> i do actually need to do a merge, at some point
[08:20] <pochu> Hobbsee: cool, thanks!
[08:20] <Hobbsee> i couldnt eyeball it during UDS, and havent looked again
[08:20] <Hobbsee> while i was in session
[08:21] <tepsipakki> kylem told me that -i810 isn't going to be dropped yet
[08:22] <tepsipakki> "too risky"
[08:22] <pochu> tepsipakki: we can include -intel in main at least :)
[08:23] <tepsipakki> what's the point if -i810 ends up being used
[08:25] <Burgundavia> joejaxx: they are named until release, at which point the iso name has the version number
[08:27] <psusi> can anyone give me some help with emacs ediff?  I can't figure out which frigging end is up
[08:28] <joejaxx> Burgundavia: yeah but what about the herds/flights/etc
[08:28] <Burgundavia> joejaxx: what about them?
[08:28] <Burgundavia> they are named consistently
[08:28] <joejaxx> Burgundavia: i thought those specified them in the iso name
[08:28] <Burgundavia> afaik, no
[08:28] <joejaxx> oh ok
[08:28] <joejaxx> hmm
[08:28] <joejaxx> interesting
[08:38] <psusi> siretart: ping
[08:49] <jussi01> hei, so just as a quick final check, where should i be looking to make sure that a package is not already being packaged...
[08:49] <jussi01> ??
[08:49] <joejaxx> the repos
[08:49] <joejaxx> and revu
[08:49] <sacater> er
[08:49] <sacater> okay
[08:49] <joejaxx> and debian
[08:49] <sacater> I am a little bit worried...
[08:49] <jussi01> heh...debian, where......
[08:49] <joejaxx> jussi01: packages.debian.org
[08:49] <jussi01> ok
[08:50] <joejaxx> sacater: why what happened?
[08:50] <sacater> my syslog@trinity my (laptop), just messaged me with write..... but it was informal...
[08:50] <sacater> like it knew me
[08:50] <xxxxx1> jussi01: check the queue too
[08:50] <psusi> StevenK: ping
[08:50] <sacater> and even gave me some errors on my CPU0
[08:50] <Hobbsee> psusi: asleep
[08:50] <sacater> where are write logs kept?
[08:50] <jussi01> xxxxx1: queue?
[08:50] <psusi> blast...
[08:50] <joejaxx> sacater: that is funny
[08:50] <joejaxx> lol
[08:50] <sacater> no its not
[08:50] <sacater> quite the opposite
[08:50] <sacater> for 2 reasons
[08:51] <sacater> 1, someone could have access to my machine
[08:51] <joejaxx> true
[08:51] <sacater> 2, they got into sys
[08:51] <psusi> anyone else use emacs ediff?  I can't for the live of me get the damn thing to compare two whole directories instead of only a specific file in them that I know has changed
[08:52] <sacater> joejaxx: when my computer talks to me, it is very disturbing
[08:52] <sacater> it also said about hardware faults
[08:52] <sacater> but 'Uhhuh'
[08:52] <sacater> like it was agreeing...
[08:52] <joejaxx> sacater: well yeah if it does not have a AI
[08:52] <sacater> i am SERIOUSLY worried...
[08:53] <joejaxx> sacater: time to start auditting for you :\
[08:53] <sacater> where are write logs kept
[08:53] <sacater> if any
[08:54] <xxxxx1> jussi01: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[08:54] <xxxxx1> jussi01: packages in *NEW*
[08:54] <jussi01> so i assume that this isnt being packaged / already packaged? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420237
[08:54] <ubotu> Debian bug 420237 in wnpp "RFP: mnemosyne -- spaced repitition flash-card program" [Wishlist,Open]  
[08:54] <ScottK> jussi01: Debian has a pseudo package called WNPP where people file intent to package bugs.  
[08:54] <ScottK> Yeah.  Like that one.
[08:54] <jussi01> xxxxx1: is that not the same as revu archive?
[08:55] <Hobbsee> jussi01: not necessarily
[08:55] <jussi01> oh
[08:55] <jussi01> ok then
[08:55] <ScottK> jussi01: That's a request for the package, not an intent to package.
[08:56] <jussi01> ok, so I could package it and not worry about dual efforts then... (like last time...)
[08:56] <jussi01> ??
[08:58] <ScottK> jussi01: No guarantees, but I'd expect if someone started working on it in Debian, they'd have commented on that bug.
[08:58] <jussi01> ScottK: cool, well im gonna mark the ubuntu bug mine then, should i also put something on debian?
[08:59] <ScottK> jussi01: Only if you plan to get it in Debian (which is no bad thing).
[08:59] <jussi01> ok
[09:00] <ScottK> BTW, unless you get your package in Debian, you are at risk of your work getting over-written in the future.
[09:01] <ScottK> jussi01: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian/
[09:02] <jussi01> ScottK: thanks
[09:02] <Daviey> Could somebody look at my upload?  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5157  :)
[09:05] <Hobbsee> Daviey: version needs to be -0ubuntu1 for a start, not -ubuntu1
[09:06] <Daviey> doh
[09:06] <Hobbsee> didnt check the rest that closely
[09:06] <Hobbsee> it's still a bit early
[09:06] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: not late? :P
[09:07] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: no - i've been asleep :P
[09:07] <Adri2000> pochu: amule is fixed. but now we have another issue (not critical): the conflicts are not correctly listed in the REPORT file, Lutin will take care of it when he comes back.
[09:08] <pochu> Adri2000: ok, thanks :)
[09:10] <Daviey> doh'
[09:12] <bluekuja> Fujitsu, ping
[09:15] <Hobbsee> bluekuja: he'll be asleep
[09:16] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, :)
[09:16] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, gonna ping him tomorrow then
[09:25] <wolfeon> does anyone know if there is breakage in archive.canonical.com's package server?
[09:25] <wolfeon> W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com feisty-commercial Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[09:28] <Hobbsee> hmmm, could be
[09:28] <Hobbsee> youd' have to wait for the archive admins to be around
[09:32] <wolfeon> those card assholes, breaking everything. what kind of an imperfect world do we live in? :P
[09:37] <jussi01> ok, building a python program, where in debian/rules do i put this command: python setup.py install
[09:38] <ScottK> jussi01: Maybe you don't
[09:39] <jussi01> ScottK: what then....
[09:39] <jussi01> ??
[09:39] <ScottK> jussi01: If it's got a good setup.py you might find python-support + cdbs is the simplest method.  Look at the pyyaml source package as a sample.
[09:39] <jussi01> arghh... ive not used cdbs...
[09:40] <jussi01> got a good tutorial
[09:40] <ScottK> Look at the pyyaml package.  It's dead easy if you've got a good setup.py
[09:40] <ScottK> cdbs documentation is, umm, sparse.
[09:40] <jussi01> oh
[09:42] <ScottK> Google will help you out for what there is.
[09:42] <ScottK> Other than that, use the source...
[09:42] <jussi01> ok
[09:42] <ScottK> Although you probably won't need to.
[09:47] <jussi01> gah, where do I give myself ownership of a bug? can i do that? 
[09:48] <jussi01> found it nm...
[09:49] <jussi01> ScottK: just noticed you commented on this bug :D
[09:50] <ScottK> Which bug?
[09:50] <jussi01> bug 108100
[09:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108100 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  mnemosyne" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108100
[09:50] <Daviey> hmm... why am i getting "Sorry, Commenting for contributors only on their own uploads" - on one of my uploads?
[09:50] <jussi01> Daviey: you logged in?
[09:50] <Daviey> yes
[09:51] <jussi01> weird....
[09:51] <ScottK> Hmmm
[09:51] <Daviey> the only thing i can think of - is the email addy on the upload page has a capital letter in the email address and my account doesn't
[09:52] <ScottK> Daviey: That's likely it.
[09:52] <Daviey> >:(
[10:06] <jussi01> ScottK: I dont understand...
[10:06] <ScottK> Don't understand what?
[10:07] <siretart> psusi: pong
[10:07] <jussi01> how that rules file works....:(
[10:07] <jussi01> ScottK: or anything any more... i feel so stupid
[10:08] <Lamego> jussi01, you are expected to be familiar with makefiles :P
[10:08] <ScottK> jussi01: If this is because you looked at the rules file for a cdbs package, remember that cdbs is deep black magic.
[10:08] <Lamego> ah, you mean cdbs :)
[10:08] <Lamego> that is even simpler :)
[10:09] <ScottK> If you have a good setup.py it'll just work.
[10:09] <jussi01> so I ca effectively copy-paste your rules file... ad it should just "work" ??
[10:09] <ScottK> I've got to run.  It should.
[10:09] <Lamego> jussi01, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy
[10:09] <jussi01> yay, thanks for your help :D
[10:10] <jussi01> see you ScottK
[10:10] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: harsh.
[10:14] <jussi01> Lamego: thanks for that link, exactly what i was looking for. :D
[10:15] <psusi> siretart: morning?
[10:18] <siretart> psusi: oh, I'm about to get to bed ;)
[10:18] <psusi> siretart: ohh, thought you had gone to bed hours ago ;)
[10:18] <psusi> siretart: go get some sleep then, I was just looking for some help figuring out ediff
[10:18] <siretart> psusi: no, I've visited my parents and just returned home
[10:19] <siretart> oh, xxxxx1 just went away. 
[10:24] <moxfyre> hi all, i'm having trouble re-uploading a modified package to REVU
[10:25] <moxfyre> can anyone help me out?
[10:25] <moxfyre> i get an 'error 553 could not create file' when uploading the .dsc
[10:26] <moxfyre> even if I do dput -f as the wiki suggests
[10:26] <moxfyre> so i've been unable to update the package in any way
[10:27] <siretart> moxfyre: which file?
[10:27] <siretart> package
[10:27] <moxfyre> cpuid package
[10:27] <moxfyre> the fn is cpuid_20060917-0ubuntu1.dsc
[10:28] <moxfyre> i do dput -f revu cpuid_20060917-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[10:28] <moxfyre> and it gives me that error
[10:29] <siretart> I'm on it
[10:30] <moxfyre> thanks
[10:30] <moxfyre> can you tell me how to avoid this problem in the future?
[10:31] <siretart> do not do binary uploads
[10:31] <siretart> only upload *_source.changes, as the wiki instructs. never upload *_i386.changes
[10:31] <moxfyre> ahh
[10:31] <siretart> moxfyre: you can reupload now
[10:31] <moxfyre> tx!
[10:31] <siretart> cheers!
[10:32] <moxfyre> worked like a charm
[10:35] <moxfyre> now to wait for more harsh comments to roll in :)
[10:38] <jussi01> programs written in python go in the section python correct?
[10:40] <Q-FUNK> 
[10:40] <sacater> damnit
[10:41] <sacater> the guy who owns a linux server I use for screen and irssi is shutting it down
[10:41] <sacater> anyone know a server owner who is willing to let me run screen and irssi?
[10:44] <Hobbsee> sacater: various ubuntu type poeple probably would
[10:45] <Hobbsee> siretart: maybe
[10:45] <sacater> Hobbsee: was that addressed to me saying that siretart might, or a completely differnet thing
[10:45] <Hobbsee> sacater: was addressed to you
[10:46] <sacater> WHOOT!
[10:46] <sacater> siretart: ^^^
[10:46] <siretart> sacater: are you in the launchpad group 'ubuntu-dev'?
[10:47] <ajmitch> morning
[10:47] <jussi01> morning ajmitch
[10:47] <lionel> morning ajmitch
[10:48] <ajmitch> hm, new mentoring
[10:48] <sacater> siretart: not exactly no.. here is a list of those that I am in https://launchpad.net/%7Esacater/+participation
[10:48] <sacater> siretart: i am applying for Q+A team atm
[10:49] <ajmitch> Q+A?
[10:49] <siretart> sacater: hm. we do have 'community developer machines' for MOTUs. 
[10:50] <Hobbsee> siretart: ppa's?
[10:50] <siretart> Hobbsee: no, ubuntuwire. ask imbrandon for details 
[10:50] <Hobbsee> true
[10:50] <Hobbsee> guess that's nto restricted to -dev
[10:50] <siretart> Hobbsee: he sent an email to ubuntu-motu@ about this. accounts are created from the lp group
[10:51] <siretart> Hobbsee: I don't know his policy for non -dev people
[10:51] <sacater> siretart: I am motu mentoree, havnt done it for a while due to SATS and coursework though :(, i made a text editor package before :P
[10:51] <Hobbsee> siretart: yep, right, thats' what i thought
[10:51] <sacater> siretart: but i doubt that that is good enough
[10:56] <jussi01> gah, i hate that...
[10:56] <jussi01> kwin just crashed....
[11:06] <sacater> siretart: so... can i have a small server space...
[11:06] <sacater> please..
[11:06] <siretart> sacater: I can't create you an account on tiber, the machine is having bandwith problems anyway and needs to be rebooted soon
[11:06] <cheatr> sacater: How much space do you need?
[11:06] <siretart> sacater: I'd suggest to ask imbrandon
[11:08] <sacater> siretart: okay I shall
[11:08] <sacater> cheatr: enough for irssi and screen
[11:09] <sacater> cheatr: maybe a bit more if I ever need to host files
[11:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: might do it, yeah
[11:09] <sacater> cheatr: half a Gig would be more than enough
[11:09] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: that's a tentative maybe
[11:09] <sacater> imbrandon: please read above...
[11:09] <cheatr> sacater: You're after web hosting right?
[11:09] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed
[11:10] <cheatr> sacater: I don't have php, but I have perl setup
[11:10] <cheatr> sacater: And I can give you 1/2 a gig. I also have ftp if you don't need an actual site
[11:10] <sacater> i need ssh ability
[11:10] <sacater> thats a must
[11:10] <sacater> to use screen
[11:15] <cheatr> I'm interested in learning to package for Ubuntu. I've read some of the wiki articles on it, but am still a little unclear. I was wondering if any of you have some time and would be willing to help me out.
[11:16] <crimsun> sure - where do you need assistance?
[11:17] <sacater> cheatr: are you familliar with what a debian binary does
[11:17] <sacater> thats the .deb packages
[11:17] <cheatr> sacater: Yeah, I'm somewhat familar.
[11:17] <sacater> heh
[11:17] <sacater> well
[11:17] <sacater> to package you will need devscripts
[11:18] <sacater> allows you to build and edit packages
[11:18] <cheatr> well, that's not what any of the tutorials said. I looked like I didn't actually make the .deb package. I just submited the files that you normally find in a .tar.gz type installation (where you have to make and then make install)
[11:19] <sacater> oh
[11:19] <sacater> you need to build it
[11:19] <sacater> into a .deb
[11:19] <sacater> or provide a debdiff for the origianl package
[11:19] <sacater> outlying the differences
[11:19] <sacater> a patch really
[11:19] <xxxxx1> bye all!
[11:19] <crimsun> cheatr: if by "submit" you mean "submit to REVU or Ubuntu", then yes, you would upload only source [not built binaries] 
[11:20] <cheatr> crimsun: Yeah, I'm not building the packages for me. I plan on submitting them to Ubuntu for the universe repository
[11:22] <psusi> so does anyone here use ediff to compare/merge two directories?
[11:23] <crimsun> I use vimdiff(1)
[11:28] <crimsun> gnomefreak: I'll be in Carrboro (@Weaver Street Market) from 11A-6P if you'd like to swing by and get your key signed
[11:28] <crimsun> gnomefreak: err, tomorrow, that is.
[11:31] <leonel> build a deb  and when I tested  I got an error I need to fix
[11:32] <leonel> do I  only rerun debuild  ?
[11:32] <leonel> again
[11:32] <crimsun> the same debuild command you previously used.
[11:32] <leonel> ok
[11:33] <persia> leonel: If the source .dsc was built, I recommend deleting the build directory, reexpanding the new source, and running debuild.  Sometimes debian/rules clean: doesn't do everything it could.
[11:33] <leonel> persia: it has no  update system
[11:33] <leonel> persia: I edited the source  
[11:34] <leonel> i mean no patch system
[11:36] <persia> leonel: My apologies for lack of clarity.  If you are working on package foo_1.2-3ubuntu4.dsc, and make changes (even directly to the source), which resulted in foo_1.2-3ubuntu5.dsc other files), deleting foo-1.2, and expanding foo_1.2-3ubuntu5.dsc should result in your changes being restored in foo-1.2 (before the build).
[11:36] <leonel> ok
[11:37] <leonel> just rerun  debuild    and got the  same  dsc 
[11:37] <crimsun> (I hope you're running at least debuild -S )
[11:37] <leonel> yes
[11:38] <leonel> so no problem  then ?
[11:38] <crimsun> well, you have the source locally, so you'll have to tell us whether there are problems.  :-)
[11:38] <persia> leonel: LIkely not - some packages are better than others :).  Check your debdiff to be sure.
[11:39] <leonel> I mean  I had the  .deb  builded  then  I found an error 
[11:39] <leonel> just a missing ;
[11:39] <leonel> edited the source   its  a php script
[11:39] <crimsun> just install the newer one & retest it
[11:39] <leonel> rebuild  reinstall retest 
[11:42] <crimsun> welcome to MOTU.
[11:42] <crimsun> (except MOTU is usually "fix rebuild reinstall retest" ad nauseum)
[11:51] <etteyafed> Who do I ask to re-sync the REVU upload keyring?
[11:51] <crimsun> here.  I'll do it.
[11:52] <etteyafed> Thank you.
[11:52] <crimsun> it normally takes 15-20 mins.
[11:53] <etteyafed> Alright. But after that I should be good to dput my source?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> argh...save me from the stupid....
[11:53] <crimsun> I'll say something here in the channel when the process has completed.
[11:56] <Hobbsee> people, if you're going to pull the line of "i cant get support because i'm a women, you men all think that linux is a type of football enviroment or poker game..." or whatever, please do your research first, that the immediate people you're taking to *arent female*.  kthxbye.
[11:56] <pochu> Hobbsee: ?
[11:56] <Hobbsee> pochu: another channel.  i'm venting at the stupidity.
[11:57] <Hobbsee> s/women/woman/
[11:57] <pochu> hehe, oks :)
[11:57] <crimsun> but I don't know of any women in the immediate vicinity  =)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:58] <ajmitch> silly people
[11:59] <welshbyte> yeah, i don't enjoy football or poker at all
[12:02] <leonel> crimsun: and its  bug fixing addictive
[12:02] <crimsun> leonel: up to a point, absolutely.
[12:02] <crimsun> then again, YMMV.
[12:03] <leonel> I see dead bugs, but they don't know they are dead
[12:03] <welshbyte> with a merge where some patches have been added and others removed (in debian/patches/) is there an easy way to figure out which ones should be kept?
[12:03] <crimsun> leonel: :-)
[12:03] <welshbyte> i was just peeking at xpdf which looks a little tricky
[12:04] <crimsun> welshbyte: depends what you mean by "easy".  Depending on your familiarity, reading the patches could be easy.
[12:04] <welshbyte> i'm not very familiar with it :)
[12:04] <crimsun> normally it's iterative.  Take debian/changelog and compare with debian/patches/
[12:04] <crimsun> hopefully they're documented well in the former.
[12:05] <crimsun> you'll likely end up reading the patches themselves in debian/patches/ , too.
[12:05] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks for the thumbs up on the application.
[12:06] <crimsun> ScottK: sorry, finger slipped.  I actually meant to say that "ScottK is a booger and shouldn't be considered..."
[12:06] <welshbyte> crimsun: ok thanks, i'll have a look at it but i can't spend much time on it - supposed to be studying for exams :)
[12:06] <ScottK> Good thing for me it's to late now then....
[12:06] <crimsun> welshbyte: right, no worries.
[12:06] <crimsun> ScottK: ;-)
[12:08] <leonel> dapper's squirrelmail   patched  builded  tested  ...
[12:08] <leonel> now  to send the debdiff
[12:11] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[12:11] <ScottK> Heya TheMuso.
[12:11] <ScottK> leoneol, sounds great.
[12:12] <ScottK> err leonel^^