[01:37] <superm1> Daviey, hows it feel to be an ubuntu member :)
[01:37] <Daviey> pretty fine!
[01:37] <Daviey> actually same as it did this morning.... but good in the long run s'pose
[01:38] <Daviey> not sure i would go through it again
[01:38] <Daviey> Leaving so late, had to drive super speedy aswell
[01:38] <Daviey> Hope you didn't get in any trouble for being late for work
[01:39] <superm1> No - i was fine
[01:39] <Daviey> good stuff!
[01:39] <Daviey> Thanks again helping
[01:39] <superm1> not a problem
[01:39] <superm1> just dont beat me to -motu now :)
[01:39] <Daviey> I doubt it!
[01:40] <Daviey> I've only submitted one package and that was superseeded by yours
[01:40] <Daviey> got another ready to check in tho
[01:40] <superm1> very good
[01:41] <superm1> i wish i could get motu's to look it over again
[01:41] <superm1> such a pain to try to catch one now
[01:41] <Daviey> Really want to get freepbx in - but seems debian guys are trying aswell - but struggling with some graph generating lib not being gpl'd
[01:42] <Daviey> definitely need a better mentoring scheme.  If you had one motu that you could turn to, there would be many more motu's
[01:49] <superm1> Daviey, how far into the lgradio recording should i ff to?
[01:49] <superm1> i dont want to go through a whole 1hr 12min...
[01:49] <Daviey> wait 1, see if i can tell u
[01:51] <Daviey> 17:00 mins in
[01:51] <Daviey> 16:40 actually
[01:51] <superm1> k
[01:54] <superm1> :)
[01:58] <Daviey> not bad eh?
[01:59] <Daviey> imbrandon is in that eps aswell
[01:59] <Daviey> 21.25
[01:59] <superm1> oh maybe i should just listen to the whole thing eventually then
[02:00] <Daviey> :)
[02:00] <superm1> ya.  this reminds me - the feisty package is backported to edgy.  the docs need to be updated, but for some reason ubuntu-mythtv-frontend didnt get brought in with the backport
[02:00] <superm1> probably because it would have been binary NEW
[02:00] <superm1> to edgy-backports
[02:01] <Daviey> hmm
[02:01] <Daviey> is there a freeze on edgy backports?
[02:01] <superm1> well everything else got brought in
[02:01] <superm1> all the mysql fixes and stuff
[02:02] <Daviey> would be good to get that added... do you know any of the backports team?
[02:02] <superm1> yea jdong
[02:02] <superm1> and imbrandon is on it
[02:03] <superm1> oh actually they might all be in binary NEW
[02:03] <superm1> and thats why
[02:03] <superm1> as i look closer
[02:04] <superm1> Daviey, if you get a few moments, we really need to iron msttcorefonts out of the dependencies for myth
[02:04] <superm1> by patches or something to that effect
[02:04] <superm1> as i'm realizing
[02:04] <superm1> because there is no way we can ship this disk elsewise
[02:04] <Daviey> what's wrong with msttcorefonts?
[02:05] <Daviey> i thought they were a free reimplementation
[02:05] <superm1> the license on it forbids it from being shipped i thought
[02:05] <superm1> no they are taken from the MS binaries
[02:05] <Daviey> oh
[02:05] <superm1> via cabextract
[02:05] <Daviey> ah yes.. i remember using the shell script that wget's and extracts
[02:06] <superm1> see $ cd /usr/share/doc/msttcorefonts && zcat READ_ME\!.gz
[02:06] <superm1> MS EULA there
[02:06] <Daviey> How did they get into debian!?
[02:07] <superm1> well they're not
[02:07] <superm1> just the installer
[02:07] <Daviey> can't we just do the same?
[02:07] <superm1> similar to how we "were" going to handle ivtv-firmware
[02:07] <superm1> unfortunately no
[02:07] <superm1> because we have a live frontend
[02:08] <superm1> so they need to be thre
[02:08] <Daviey> ah - good point
[02:08] <superm1> we've got a bug opened up about them
[02:08] <superm1> that reminded me
[02:08] <superm1> bug 110068
[02:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110068 in mythtv "Don't depend on msttcorefonts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110068
[02:09] <Daviey> from offical themes it's only MythCenter that requires mstcorefonts
[02:09] <superm1> but /usr/share/mythtv/themes/blue/ui.xml uses it
[02:09] <superm1> the blue theme
[02:09] <superm1> which is part of official themes that are installed with the frontend
[02:10] <superm1> during feisty herd 3 or 4 i pulled if off the deps, because i thought enough themes got away without it - but then got the pour in of people on the forums "i cant see any text in mythtv"
[02:10] <superm1> so added it back on
[02:12] <superm1> we've also got to triage some of these aging bugs on here with crash reports yet
[02:12] <superm1> i haven't been sure what to do with a lot of them
[02:12] <superm1> keescook, are you here?
[02:14] <Daviey> superm1, quick google search show's there are some 'alternate' fonts for mstcorefonts
[02:14] <superm1> perhaps this alternate fake msttcorefonts package is the best solution
[02:14] <Daviey> That shouldn't be too hard to re-implement
[02:15] <superm1> to make such a package
[02:15] <Daviey> :)
[02:15] <superm1> and then depend on fake-msttcorefonts | msttcorefonts
[02:15] <Daviey> yes!
[02:15] <superm1> and make fake-msttcorefonts conflict with msttcorefonts
[02:15] <superm1> that way if someone wants to install it
[02:15] <superm1> we're still okay
[02:15] <superm1> it will remove the fake one
[02:15] <superm1> Daviey, looks like you've got two packages to work on for -motu now :)
[02:15] <Daviey> Okay... i could try and work on that
[02:15] <Daviey> if you want to assign it to me
[02:16] <superm1> go for it
[02:16] <Daviey> gardengnome sounds like he is going to add default .htaccess to mythweb
[02:16] <Daviey> that's a long overdue fix... so good to see that
[02:16] <superm1> yes indeed
[02:17] <superm1> we can add that to gutsy packages then
[02:17] <Daviey> wonder how he will do it - default password? same as mysql.txt password ordebconf
[02:18] <superm1> oh that can be messy
[02:18] <superm1> it would be best set by a debconf
[02:19] <Daviey> extra userinteraction tho
[02:19] <superm1> well you ask, would you like to secure mythweb?
[02:19] <superm1> they answer yes, you enable htaccess file
[02:19] <Daviey> good plan
[02:19] <superm1> and ask for password
[02:19] <superm1> they say no, no htaccess
[02:19] <Daviey> anyway.. i need to go to bed
[02:20] <superm1> okay Daviey
[02:20] <superm1> going to bed again early today :)
[02:20] <Daviey> I'll look into the fonts tommorow
[02:20] <superm1> whats up with that .... ;)
[02:20] <Daviey> nn
[02:20] <superm1> night
[02:20] <Daviey> hehe - been having some really late nights recently!
[02:20] <superm1> well worth it though - you got membership
[02:21] <Daviey> :)
[02:21] <superm1> but bed now, discuss more tomorrow
[02:21] <Daviey> yes sir!
[02:21] <superm1> gardengnome, u tehre?
[03:04] <superm1> DaveMorris, are you there?
[05:28] <superm1> keescook, your alive!
[05:32] <keescook> superm1: I am!  :)
[05:32] <superm1> keescook,  daviey got member status today
[05:32] <keescook> niiice!
[05:33] <superm1> and he's gonna be working on getting bug 110068 taken care of
[05:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110068 in mythtv "Don't depend on msttcorefonts" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110068
[05:33] <superm1> by making a fake-msttcorefonts package
[05:33] <superm1> so good stuff coming up
[05:33] <superm1> keescook, did you get a chance to build/look at mythtv-themes-unofficial last night?
[05:35] <keescook> superm1: I didn't, I'm bad.  :)
[05:35] <keescook> that's on REVU, correct?
[05:35] <superm1> yup
[05:35] <superm1> http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=5114
[05:36] <superm1> the .orig.tar.gz is on an older upload though - its a bit big. http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/mythtv-themes-unofficial-0705111500/mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418.orig.tar.gz  didn't want to have to upload it multiple times
[05:53] <keescook> hunh, I'm not a reviewer... I'll pastebin my thoughts
[05:54] <keescook> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21096/
[05:58] <keescook> I gotta sleep.  I've asked to become a REVU reviewer, so hopefully I can actually put my comments in there for real.  ttyl!
[06:01] <superm1> okay
[06:01] <superm1> night keescook
[06:01] <superm1> thanks
[09:59] <imbrandon> moins all
[01:37] <Killerkiwi> anybodyy else having issues with scheduling 1 recording imeditlly after another?
[01:39] <bendailey> I haven't noticed anything
[01:39] <bendailey> what kind of trouble how many tuners/what type?
[01:44] <Killerkiwi> 1 tuner pvr150 works nice... i have 2mins before aand after time set
[01:44] <Killerkiwi> House is on at 7
[01:44] <Killerkiwi> opps
[01:45] <Killerkiwi> House is on at 7:30-8:30 , bosten legal is 8:30 to 9:30
[01:45] <Killerkiwi> bosten legal resgters as a clash and does not record
[01:47] <bendailey> Can you look at your program guide right now?
[01:48] <DaveMorris> Killerkiwi, you said you have 2 mns before/after set
[01:48] <DaveMorris> that means hosue records 7:28-8:32 and Boston goes 8:28-9:32
[01:48] <DaveMorris> so they clash for 4 mins
[01:48] <Killerkiwi> yeah, the help text assures me this dosnt effect recording though.... im gusiing the help text is wrong?
[01:49] <DaveMorris> I'm guessing so, if you've own got 1 card, it can't record both at the same time
[01:49] <DaveMorris> s/own/only
[01:49] <DaveMorris> try it with both set to 0 mins
[01:49] <Killerkiwi> Yeah... but the software should see the real times i would have thought.... at least thats what the text says just a sec and ill have a look again
[01:51] <DaveMorris> Mine are acutally setup on 0 and it records them fine
[01:52] <Killerkiwi> ok direct quote here... This global setting allows the recorder to start before the scheduled start time.  It does not effect the schedular.  It is ignored when two shows have been scheduled without enough time between them
[01:53] <DaveMorris> ok, try setting it to 0 though, there might be a bug with it
[01:54] <Killerkiwi> yeha im guessing kinda sucks if you miss the last 2 mins of lost though ;)
[01:55] <DaveMorris> I don't miss the end of my shows, but shows like lost which show bits after the credits can be a pain
[01:57] <Killerkiwi> Maybe ill just override the per recordings that are a problem....
[01:58] <DaveMorris> I'd be interested if that was the problem
[02:00] <Killerkiwi> well that removed all the clashes... so im guessing problem fixed.... it would be nice if it worked as advertised.... is there a mythtv bugzilla?
[02:13] <DaveMorris> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Bug_Tracking_System
[04:01] <superm1> DaveMorris, you there?
[04:05] <DaveMorris> yep
[04:05] <DaveMorris> what can I do you for today
[04:05] <superm1> DaveMorris, there has been some progress on the ubiquity front as of last night
[04:06] <superm1> so i was going to ask if you could start looking into something
[04:07] <superm1> you remember we talked about the preconfigured install that would enter everything into mysql for you, but shot the idea down because of the autoconfiguration branch of myth
[04:08] <superm1> and not wanting to step on toes of people already doing such things
[04:08] <DaveMorris> yeah
[04:08] <superm1> well after going through working on interface stuff yesterday, it was going to be really tacky having a button to launch mythtv-setup
[04:09] <superm1> could you take a look at how some other distros (mythdora & knoppmyth) are handling such things?  Perhaps they can provide a good basis to build from
[04:09] <superm1> or at least a good set of ideas to go from
[04:09] <DaveMorris> yeah sure
[04:10] <superm1> atm the plan will be to leave the button to launch mythtv-setup at the end of mythbuntu install, but it would be most ideal if that could be scrapped in favor of detecting tuners and doing some good defaults
[04:11] <superm1> I got a lot of the glade work punched out - so most of the interface is done.  Just needs to be put into the right order yet.  I'll finish that up yet tonite, and then jetsradiem is going to hopefully be able to break up a lot of the backend work for ubiquity into some grouping that we can divy up
[04:12] <DaveMorris> so, you want a way to automate mythsetup?
[04:12] <superm1> well as much of it as possible
[04:12] <DaveMorris> via guess work and a few configs by the user
[04:12] <superm1> It can be shell script magic if need be too
[04:12] <superm1> right
[04:12] <superm1> We can enter as much info as necessary to ubiquity
[04:13] <superm1> and pass that on
[04:14] <superm1> But I think that a lot of the hardware can/will be determined by lspci & /proc.  We can at least have some common cards listed to start
[04:14] <superm1> and pop up some warning if an unknown card is in use
[04:14] <DaveMorris> yeah, also will need to investigate what the different cards need
[04:14] <superm1> that mythtv-setup still needs to be ran to add that card
[04:14] <DaveMorris> also I've only got experince with it in the UK
[04:15] <superm1> Well i'm not saying have this all ready by tomorrow morning :)
[04:15] <superm1> I'm thinking that a hardware DB will start to be populated
[04:15] <superm1> as we move along here, i've a got a few of the common US cards
[04:16] <superm1> And also, mythdora or knoppmyth might already have an intelligent way of doing such things under the GPL
[04:16] <DaveMorris> superm1: Good!  I'm just signing onto a Masters at uni, so I'm busy atm but I'll make sure I have a look at how other distros are doing it
[04:17] <superm1> great - once you've got a good idea with this, i think you and bendailey should be able to split up how to implement and such
[04:17] <DaveMorris> bendailey?
[04:17] <superm1> haven't met bendailey as of yet?
[04:17] <superm1> bendailey, you here?
[04:18] <DaveMorris> I'll catch up with him at some point then
[04:18] <DaveMorris> you know where his based?
[04:18] <superm1> Indiana
[04:19] <superm1> Guess not.  He joined up with us a little bit ago, unfortunately at a time that we didnt have a good way to split up remaining work
[04:19] <superm1> but I think this will for sure turn into at least a 2 person thing
[04:20] <superm1> okay i need to get to work yet this morning, wanted to make sure i touched bases before hand.
[04:20] <superm1> Have a great day, catch you later
[04:20] <DaveMorris> l8rs
[04:34] <bendailey> yes I am here
[04:35] <bendailey> DaveMorris
[04:37] <bendailey> Anyone else on the mythtv users list?
[04:42] <bendailey> DaveMorris, ping
[04:45] <DaveMorris> no I 'm not on the list
[04:45] <DaveMorris> Superm1 mnetioned I hook up withyou other automating the mythtv-setup
[04:46] <DaveMorris> I'm based in the UK, so we have different hardware and setting etc
[04:49] <bendailey> sounds good
[04:49] <bendailey> what time do you have now?
[04:50] <bendailey> it is 10:50 am here
[04:50] <DaveMorris> 15:50
[04:50] <DaveMorris> 7hrs
[04:50] <bendailey> ok
[04:50] <DaveMorris> same timezone as my friend in Colorado then
[04:50] <bendailey> ok
[04:50] <DaveMorris> I'm online during work 9-5:30ish and asl normally 10-11:30ish during the weekend
[04:50] <DaveMorris> s/weekend/week
[04:51] <DaveMorris> weekends I'm hit and miss I'm afraid
[04:51] <bendailey> I am at work right now so I can't do much
[04:51] <bendailey> I am very hit an miss evenings and weekends
[04:51] <bendailey> have you used mythdora or knoppmyth before?
[04:53] <DaveMorris> nope
[04:53] <DaveMorris> I've just run mine from installing ontop of ubuntu
[04:53] <bendailey> my first and current box is running on top of gentoo
[04:54] <DaveMorris> http://davemorris.wordpress.com/2007/05/03/mythtv-my-setup/ for info on mysetup
[04:54] <DaveMorris> I'm gonna upgrade my backend to a 950 Duron, which will free my old one for testings etc
[04:55] <DaveMorris> hey Daviey
[04:56] <Daviey> hey DaveMorris, long time no see :P
[04:57] <bendailey> Daviey,
[04:58] <bendailey>  you on the mythtv-user mailing list?
[04:59] <Daviey> I was....
[04:59] <Daviey> It was a 'bulk' addy i used to use - but the ISP killed the email address
[05:00] <Daviey> so no - i'm not now
[05:00] <Daviey> Is there something interesting?
[05:00] <bendailey> ok there was noise on the list today about the ubuntu media center choosing elisa
[05:00] <Daviey> thought there might be :)
[05:00] <Daviey> I;ll read it now
[05:00] <bendailey> I didn't know if you wanted mythbuntu.org to sent to the list yet
[05:01] <bendailey> I can drop a post if you would like
[05:04] <bendailey> DaveMorris, how do you want to approach the work that superm1 has asked us todo?
[05:05] <Daviey> What have you been tasked with?
[05:05] <DaveMorris> I guess we should look at what the other distros are doing, and see if we can use that
[05:05] <DaveMorris> http://pastebin.ca/491238
[05:05] <DaveMorris> Daviey: ^^
[05:06] <Daviey> Was that today?
[05:07] <DaveMorris> yeah
[05:07] <DaveMorris> you wanna help?
[05:08] <Daviey> erm.. maybe when i've finished what i'm currently doing
[05:08] <Daviey> didn't expect superm1 in here until later
[05:09] <DaveMorris> he poped in before work
[05:09] <Daviey> ah
[05:09] <DaveMorris> I've still got to look at getting the openchrome stuff built :/
[05:09] <bendailey> I "grew up" in a redhat shop and only been using ubuntu for about 1 year I will try and find time to look through the mythdora stuff
[05:09] <DaveMorris> ok, I'll take a look at knoppix then
[05:09] <Daviey> knoppmyth :)
[05:09] <DaveMorris> wyeah, you know what I mean
[05:11] <bendailey> Ok I will try and report when I get time this evening
[05:12] <DaveMorris> bendailey: No rush for this evening
[05:12] <DaveMorris> I won't get a chance to look till the weekend more than likely
[05:13] <bendailey> My wife is going out tonight so I need to seize the opportunity :)
[05:13] <DaveMorris> :)
[05:14] <Daviey> Pizza 'n Sport eh?
[05:16] <bendailey> no probably ice cream and blocks until my son (almost 2) goes to bed :)
[05:16] <Daviey> I heard your son when i phoned :)
[05:16] <bendailey> then it is time to have fun (read linux/mythtv playing)
[05:18] <bendailey> well I better got back to my day job
[05:19] <bendailey> Daviey, mythbuntu.org do you care about a post to the mailing list?
[05:20] <Daviey> was thinking about it
[05:20] <Daviey> Currently they think the whole of ubuntu is switching
[05:20] <bendailey> ok let me know do you want to check with superm1?
[05:20] <Daviey> At the CC meeting yesterday i should have brought it up - but didn't
[05:20] <Daviey> think it's best
[05:21] <bendailey> ok
[05:53] <gardengnome> re
[08:28] <Daviey> gardengnome, ping