[12:30] <godless> hey, how do I turn off the tooltips on the taskbar?
[12:31] <godless> er 'task list'
[12:33] <joselcehn> maybelline:it's copying the files :) thx again! i'm kinda of a n00b in linux, so forgive for bothering you with trivialities! btw this is my very first time on irc...kinda cool here :)
[12:34] <ciro314> hello. i have installed transmission bittorrent client from source and i would like to uninstall it. is it possible? i'd like to install the latest version of this program
[12:36] <maddog39> yes
[12:36] <maddog39> ciro314, whats the name of the program?
[12:36] <ciro314> transmission
[12:36] <maddog39> ciro314, ok give me a minute to search for it in the repositories
[12:37] <ciro314> i had no notice about that
[12:37] <ciro314> i will search
[12:37] <TheSheep> ciro314: if you still have the directory in which you installed, you may try to do 'sudo make uninstall' in it
[12:37] <maddog39> ciro314, how did you install the program?
[12:37] <ciro314> from source
[12:37] <maddog39> ciro314, did you compile it with make
[12:37] <maddog39> ok
[12:37] <maddog39> then
[12:37] <ciro314> ./configure
[12:38] <maddog39> you cant uninstall it UNLESS they provide an uninstaller
[12:38] <maddog39> open a terminal
[12:38] <maddog39> and type: cd <space>
[12:38] <ciro314> yes
 being a space
[12:38] <ciro314> hahaha
[12:38] <maddog39> and then drag the source code folder into the terminal window
[12:38] <maddog39> and hit enter
[12:38] <ciro314> yeah
[12:39] <maddog39> ok
[12:39] <ciro314> yes
[12:39] <maddog39> once you've done that
[12:39] <maddog39> then type: sudo make uninstall
[12:39] <ciro314> done
[12:39] <maddog39> ok, its uninstalled
[12:39] <ciro314> perfectly
[12:39] <ciro314> thanks
[12:39] <maddog39> np
[12:40] <ciro314> how would you install transmission??
[12:40] <sysdef> cya
[12:41] <ciro314> which way
[12:41] <maddog39> umm
[12:41] <maddog39> well since its not in the repositories
[12:41] <maddog39> your best bet is to find a .deb package for it
[12:41] <ciro314> it is not
[12:41] <ciro314> could i use .deb on xubuntu?
[12:41] <maddog39> well find one somewhere lol
[12:41] <ciro314> oh
[12:42] <maddog39> go to google
[12:42] <maddog39> search
[12:42] <maddog39> transmission filetype:deb
[12:42] <maddog39> exactly like that
[12:42] <ciro314> i found it yesterday
[12:42] <maddog39> and look for a binary
[12:42] <ciro314> but i did not know i could install deb packages
[12:42] <maddog39> if you cant find a deb binary, then source is your only choice
[12:43] <maddog39> ok
[12:43] <maddog39> deb packages are debian software packages
[12:43] <ciro314> deb packages should be opened with xarchiver??
[12:43] <TheSheep> ciro314: no, with gdebi
[12:43] <zials> you should install the deb package manager
[12:43] <maddog39> U/K/Xubuntu is BASED on Debian
[12:43] <maddog39> so all debian packages should work
[12:43] <maddog39> or use the command line
[12:43] <ciro314> ok. gdebi is on synaptic
[12:44] <ciro314> and how could i uninstall a deb package?
[12:44] <maddog39> yeah just install gdebi
[12:44] <maddog39> you would go to synaptic
[12:44] <maddog39> search its name
[12:44] <maddog39> and click on the green/white box
[12:44] <maddog39> and hit uninstall
[12:44] <maddog39> then apply
[12:44] <ciro314> aha. ok
[12:44] <ciro314> it is very easy
[12:45] <TheSheep> !enter | maddog39
[12:45] <ubotu> maddog39: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[12:45] <TheSheep> :)
[12:48] <ciro314> thanks maddog39.
[01:01] <vidd_laptop> is there a way to get the driver info out of it?
[01:01] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: you could try to attack it with cabextract, but I never used it
[01:01] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: or just run it with wine
[01:04] <vidd_laptop> ty...cabextract worked like a charm
[01:05] <vidd_laptop> [comments regarding wine deleted as not to offend] 
[01:06] <TheSheep> :D
[01:07] <vidd_laptop> reboot again
[01:13] <Lectus> does compiz work on xubuntu?
[01:14] <Maybelline> yep
[01:23] <aum> hi - got an old (1.8GHz, 256MB RAM) laptop, looking to install *buntu - xubuntu is tempting - can anyone tell me honestly about its drawbacks, and what I should watch out for?
[01:25] <Lectus> once I install compiz package, how to set it to start a session with it?
[01:26] <TheSheep> !compiz | Lectus
[01:26] <ubotu> Lectus: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:27] <Merchelo> !info kernal compile
[01:27] <ubotu> Package kernal does not exist in feisty
[01:27] <TheSheep> aum: you should be fine -- this is more than enough for xubuntu. Especially if the hardware is older -- it will be probably well supported.
[01:28] <TheSheep> aum: better use the alternate cd though, the graphical installer is known to have some bugs
[01:28] <Merchelo> !kernel
[01:28] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[01:28] <aum> but are there any specific annoyances with xubuntu, especially for newbies?
[01:28] <aum> it's my wife's laptop - she's a strictly games/email/web person
[01:29] <TheSheep> aum: well, xubuntu lacks some gui applications and setting dialogs that are present in ubuntu -- most noticeably, you can't browse samba shares without installing an additional program
[01:29] <TheSheep> aum: you can however always install any program from the ubuntu repositories
[01:29] <Maybelline> aum: the only drawback to Linux in general is the gaming scene is still developing.  As for Xubuntu vs. Ubuntu, I only miss some of the interesting panel apps
[01:29] <aum> no need for samba shares once she's on nix - she's the last windows user left in the house :)
[01:30] <aum> the thing my wife will miss though is chatting to her daughter on msn messenger
[01:30] <TheSheep> aum: I'm not sure, but I think that gaim supports msn
[01:30] <Maybelline> aum: it does
[01:30] <aum> and does gaim integrate well with the xfce WM?
[01:30] <TheSheep> aum: you just won't see all the animated smilies, I think
[01:30] <Lectus> aum: yes
[01:31] <aum> such as, tray icon?
[01:31] <Lectus> I'm using it now :D
[01:31] <TheSheep> aum: yes, it's installed by default
[01:31] <Lectus> yes
[01:31] <aum> well, my wife will feel better with a laptop that loads/runs faster, for sure
[01:31] <aum> competing against winxp here :P
[01:32] <TheSheep> aum: you may want to disable some services you won't be using -- like for example the printing services
[01:32] <TheSheep> aum: it will make it boot even faster
[01:32] <Lectus> I've installed xubuntu and never needed to run WinXP again (only when I'm doing windows programming). For everyday use xubuntu works faster and has beautiful desktop.
[01:32] <TheSheep> Lectus: you can set up a crosscompiler for windows programming ;)
[01:32] <aum> does the xubuntu installer set up dual-boot?
[01:32] <Lectus> yep
[01:33] <Lectus> I installed it here as dual boot
[01:33] <aum> sweet
[01:33] <TheSheep> aum: yes, it looks if you have windows installed and includes it in the menu
[01:33] <aum> k
[01:33] <TheSheep> aum: just press esc when booting, and the menu will popup
[01:33] <aum> so it doesn't show the grub menu by default?
[01:33] <TheSheep> (I think it pops up always for 3 seconds0
[01:34] <aum> that's long enough
[01:34] <Lectus> I have a 40GB HD with 30GB partition with WinXP and 10GB partition with Xubuntu. And it's working great. I can even access my Windows NTFS partition, so I keep my music on the windows partition and listen to them on Linux.
[01:35] <TheSheep> Lectus: you know there is a driver for windows that allows it to "see" ext2/3 partitions?
[01:35] <Catoptromancy> ive duel booted before easikly
[01:35] <Catoptromancy> but some reason this is being a pain
[01:35] <Lectus> TheSheep: Is there one?
[01:36] <TheSheep> Lectus: I think there are even two such drivers
[01:36] <vidd_laptop> now i cant even get ndiswrapper to work
[01:36] <TheSheep> Lectus: http://www.fs-driver.org/, http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd
[01:37] <Lectus> TheSheep: The easy way is just to set a FAT partition so both Windows and Linux can access it to exchange files
[01:37] <Catoptromancy> this prepare partition menu is much more complicated
[01:37] <TheSheep> Lectus: fat lacks both unix-like and windows-like file permissions :(
[01:37] <Lectus> But NTFS read/write from Linux is enough for me :D
[01:38] <Catoptromancy> would be easier to install edgy, and use the slider to partition
[01:38] <Lectus> ntfs-3g is working great
[01:38] <Catoptromancy> im at the prepare partition menu, how would I go about splitting one?
[01:39] <Lectus> Hey... I need help installing/configuring compiz on Xubuntu with Geforce 2 card. Anyone can help me?
[01:39] <Lectus> I really need to try those desktop effects :D
[01:42] <Lectus> I think these are the steps? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[01:47] <aum> can the xubuntu installer safely resize ntfs partitions?
[01:48] <TheSheep> aum: make a backup
[01:48] <Catoptromancy> i did it once
[01:48] <Catoptromancy> but some reason its a total pain now
[01:49] <TheSheep> aum: since Microsoft didn't provide any documentation for the NTFS format, everything connected to NTFS is experimental and mostly based on reverse-engineering
[01:49] <Lectus> I think it's safe, but it's nice to make a backup
[01:49] <Lectus> also, I found easier to resize the partition with Partition Magic on windows
[01:50] <Catoptromancy> Actually i just tried use the Alternate CD
[01:50] <Catoptromancy> its much more easy to figure out
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> how do i autostart ndiswrapper?
[01:52] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: how do you start it normally?
[01:53] <Catoptromancy> has it already been installed and works?
[01:53] <aum> the 'prepare partitions' stage in the livecd installer doesn't offer any way to resize the partitions, just the option to reformat
[01:53] <Catoptromancy> aum, ya its a total pain
[01:53] <Catoptromancy> I got fed up and used the alternate
[01:53] <vidd_laptop> i have to type "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" in a terminal
[01:53] <Catoptromancy> ive nver done that
[01:53] <aum> does the alternate installer have a resize partition option?
[01:53] <Catoptromancy> ya
[01:54] <Catoptromancy> its was much easier
[01:54] <Catoptromancy> jsut type in "50 gbs"
[01:54] <Catoptromancy> Im sure live CD does too, but its a pain
[01:54] <aum> can't find it on livecd - it only offers chance to destroy/format/recreate partitions
[01:55] <Catoptromancy> I remember dapper or edgy, had a partition slider
[01:55] <Catoptromancy> sooooo east to partition
[01:55] <Catoptromancy> wish feisty also had a slider
[01:55] <aum> oh wait, found gparted on livecd :)
[01:56] <vidd_laptop> any ideas?
[01:56] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy: you can put a feature request on http://bugs.ubuntu.com, I guess
[01:56] <Catoptromancy> I was should I clicked and checked every ooption for that
[01:56] <Catoptromancy> request an old feature
[01:56] <Catoptromancy> heh
[01:57] <Catoptromancy> vidd_laptop, I dont have a functional PC yet. I made a little tutorial on nidswrapper
[01:57] <Catoptromancy> install ndis- common ndis-util
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> did that
[01:58] <Catoptromancy> I wont say what I can remember heh
[01:58] <Catoptromancy> it might be wrong
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> the card's WORKING...it's just not auto;loading
[01:58] <Catoptromancy> you can get online with it?
[01:59] <vidd_laptop> i am right now
[01:59] <Catoptromancy> hmm
[01:59] <Catoptromancy> no idea then
[01:59] <vidd_laptop> i just dont want to have to type "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" everytime i boot the machine
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> i know there is a way...it worked in breezy....
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> and i used the bcm43xx in dapper and edgy
[02:00] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: ah, add 'ndiswrapper' to /etc/modules
[02:00] <Catoptromancy> write a script, but im not sure how to make it autoload
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> then feisty broke the bcm43xx driver
[02:01] <Catoptromancy> ya listen to TheSheep heh
[02:01] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: all modules mentioned in /etc/modules are modprobed at startup
[02:01] <Catoptromancy> broke after upgrading?
[02:02] <vidd_laptop> yeah....and on a clean install
[02:02] <vidd_laptop> finally gave up today and went back to ndiswrapper....
[02:02] <Catoptromancy> ndiswrapper -i finename.inf
[02:02] <vidd_laptop> AFTER ordering 2 linux friendly replacement cards
[02:03] <vidd_laptop> ant wait to install them
[02:03] <Catoptromancy> open terminal in folder of 3 driver files
[02:03] <Catoptromancy> i never installed cards,
[02:03] <Catoptromancy> just moved a folder off my setup CD
[02:03] <vidd_laptop> im made the changes...rebooting to test functionality
[02:03] <Catoptromancy> with the 3 files
[02:03] <vidd_laptop> brb
[02:04] <Catoptromancy> sweet duel boot works
[02:05] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, you are the MAN!
[02:05] <Catoptromancy> heh
[02:05] <TheSheep> :)
[02:06] <vidd_laptop> Catoptromancy, make sure you put that in your tutorial
[02:06] <vidd_laptop> also....VERY IMPORTANT.....
[02:06] <Catoptromancy> it was actually for my uncle
[02:06] <Catoptromancy> im gving him an old PC  with xubuntu
[02:07] <Catoptromancy> he doesnt even own a computer
[02:07] <vidd_laptop> let ppl know that if the stupid light dont come on when they first do modprobe ndiswrapper, to push the button on thier laptop
[02:07] <Catoptromancy> ery specific
[02:08] <vidd_laptop> im starting to wonder if this whole time, that i needed to push the button to get the bcm43xx driver to work
[02:09] <vidd_laptop> im off to test!
[02:12] <vidd_laptop> hhmmm
[02:13] <vidd_laptop> now i feal stupid
[02:13] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: because you mispelled "feel"?  :-P
[02:14] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: that's the nature's way to say "go get some sleep" ;)
[02:14] <vidd_laptop> jlmc no...because i went banging my head against a wall to get my bcm43xx card to work for 2 1/2 months....
[02:14] <j1mc> hi TheSheep
[02:14] <vidd_laptop> and all i needed to do was push this stupid button
[02:15] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: awww... :(
[02:15] <j1mc> hehe
[02:15] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: what kind of laptop is it?
[02:15] <Catoptromancy> heh MS already froze in my duel boot
[02:15] <vidd_laptop> ok....im off to do a clean install and test this
[02:15] <j1mc> good luck, vidd_laptop
[02:15] <TheSheep> hi j1mc
[02:15] <vidd_laptop> then off to write a "careful what you do" tutorial;!
[02:16] <vidd_laptop> j1mc, its a compaq presario 2200
[02:16] <TheSheep> ugh, compaq :(
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> The hp was doing the same thing
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> and i have two new cards coming...for nothing
[02:18] <vidd_laptop> of course, the only difference between the hp and the compaq is the branding and the case
[02:18] <vidd_laptop> under the hood, they are identical
[02:34] <aum> what's the minimum disk space for basic xubuntu?
[02:35] <Catoptromancy> 6 gb is good
[02:35] <Catoptromancy> but really needs less
[02:36] <TheSheep> aum: I think it first in 1.5GB, but make it 2GB if you want some additional applications later
[02:37] <Catoptromancy> xubuntu crashes my instal with a 6gb
[02:38] <Catoptromancy> in alt cd
[02:38] <Catoptromancy> well freezes not crash
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> how long does it site idle?
[02:38] <Catoptromancy> the freeze?
[02:38] <Catoptromancy> overnight
[02:38] <Catoptromancy> heh
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> yeah
[02:38] <Catoptromancy> hours
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> no....what part of the install
[02:39] <Catoptromancy> install base i think
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> use the alt-alt install....
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> and enter the comand apic=no
[02:39] <Catoptromancy> cool
[02:40] <Catoptromancy> noooooooooo
[02:40] <Catoptromancy> I just gave windows the 200gb partition
[02:40] <Catoptromancy> instead of linux
[02:40] <vidd_laptop> lol
[02:40] <Catoptromancy> uggg
[02:40] <Catoptromancy> I been installing OSes all day
[02:40] <Lectus> I've installing OSes all week :O
[02:41] <Lectus> I installed Kubuntu, then ubuntu, and now Xubuntu and finally like it
[02:41] <vidd_laptop> ive been reinstalling the same OS for the last 2 months
[02:41] <vidd_laptop> trying to "fix" this wifi card
[02:41] <vidd_laptop> and it turns out it wasnt even broken!
[02:41] <Lectus> i've been resizing my partition and reinstalling distros all month
[02:42] <Lectus> I think it's an addicting thing
[02:42] <vidd_laptop> then maybe you should get into the testing department
[02:42] <Catoptromancy> IO hate doing this heh
[02:42] <Lectus> I can't see a new distro then I'll install it to see how it looks o.o
[02:42] <vidd_laptop> they always need ppl to test ISO's
[02:43] <Lectus> I don't really the installing part... I like looking at something new
[02:43] <Lectus> Windows just gets tired on eyes
[02:43] <Lectus> I need new look 'n fell
[02:43] <Lectus> feel
[02:43] <Lectus> LOL
[02:45] <Lectus> all distros usually have something really good... but also something bad that makes me try another one... it seems ubuntu is the perfect one for me, and Xubuntu is a lot better as it has what I like in Ubuntu plus a lighter window manager
[02:46] <TheSheep> Lectus: in the end you always end up combining bits and pieces from various distros
[02:46] <vidd_laptop> Lectus, the good thing about linux is you take the good, discard the bad, and LOVE your system
[02:46] <TheSheep> Lectus: it's easy with *buntu*
[02:46] <Catoptromancy> ive installed slackware, debian, opensuse, and WinXP just today
[02:46] <Catoptromancy> going back to xubuntu
[02:47] <Catoptromancy> actually im installing WInXP and Xubuntu twice today
[02:47] <vidd_laptop> opensuse looks good...and when they slap the "Novell...a Microsoft Company" logo on it...it will be perfect!
[02:49] <Catoptromancy> I do have fedora and gentoo, dunno why I didnt try those
[02:49] <vidd_laptop> Catoptromancy, make sure you put windows on first....
[02:49] <Catoptromancy> got tired of installing
[02:49] <Catoptromancy> Ya
[02:49] <Catoptromancy> im totally reinstalling both
[02:49] <vidd_laptop> Its so conceded, it thinks its the only one there!
[02:50] <Lectus> yeah... windows is very boring at dual boot... it's safe to install windows first, and then add new partition to install linux
[02:50] <Lectus> otherwise would lose grub
[02:51] <vidd_laptop> Lectus, but if you put linux on first, windows will overwrite grub and your linux wont be able to boot
[02:51] <Lectus> yes
[02:51] <Lectus> that's what i said
[02:51] <Lectus> windows should go first
[02:51] <Catoptromancy> there is a way to make it so you can put Win after Linux
[02:51] <Catoptromancy> but its a total hack
[02:51] <Lectus> otherwise grub is overwrited by wiundows MBR
[02:52] <BrendanM> Is there a way to set the screensaver so it automatically disables when certain other applications are running?
[02:52] <vidd_laptop> yeah...i was looking at the keybord and not the sceen as i tped that
[02:53] <TheSheep> BrendanM: some applications, like totem, mplayer or vlc can tell screensaver to not blank the screen
[02:54] <vidd_laptop> anyone know what you have to do to get xfburn to make ISO's into install disks instead of frisbee's?
[02:54] <Lectus> BrendanM: yes, put something weigthing on some key of the keyboard to keep something pressed and the screensaver won't come... just kidding... don't know, I think it's the applications that should handle that
[02:58] <Jester45> to keep the screensaver from coming on try uninstalling the package xscreensaver or lower the time to 0 or raise to a huge number
[02:59] <Jester45> does mpd need xine?
[03:01] <TheSheep> Jester45: no
[03:01] <Jester45> humm
[03:02] <TheSheep> Jester45: uninstalling screensaver is not a good idea :)
[03:02] <Jester45> mine used to play but now it does
[03:02] <Jester45> why not? i did
[03:02] <TheSheep> Jester45: check the volumes
[03:03] <BrendanM> well, I don't want to get rid of the screensaver altogether
[03:03] <BrendanM> I just would like it to not come on when I'm playing emulator games, for example
[03:04] <manduski> i am running the add/remove program, but it keeps saying that there is a problem regarding me becoming root and an Xauthority file issue, how do I fix this?
[03:05] <TheSheep> manduski: did you delete the .Xauthority file from your home directory?
[03:05] <manduski> it's possible?
[03:05] <manduski> no it's just blank
[03:06] <TheSheep> manduski: enable displaying of hidden files in thunar
[03:06] <manduski> hang on i just discovered that the file permissions on it were root:root
[03:06] <manduski> oh boy
[03:07] <TheSheep> manduski: that's hwat you get when you log in as root :/
[03:08] <TheSheep> good night everyone
[03:29] <Jester45> TheSheep: when i try to play
[03:29] <Jester45> mpd stays at 00:00
[03:30] <Jester45> and soon as i try to play it the deamon crashes or somthing. i have to restart it
[05:01] <Catoptromancy> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: May 16 08:16:48 2007
[05:01] <Catoptromancy> no clue
[05:19] <Pumpernickel> bug 43233
[05:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43233 in sudo ""sudo -k" fails when timestamp is in the future" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43233
[06:05] <BFTD> hillo
[06:46] <Malnilion> Anybody good with Samba around here?
[06:48] <Malnilion> I've got a samba server setup on my Xubuntu box and I can browse it fine in Windows XP on another computer, however some folders and files register as meaningless letters and numbers and the files have no extensions.
[06:48] <Malnilion> Show no extensions, rather.
[06:48] <Malnilion> They do have extensions in actuality :)
[06:49] <Malnilion> So, I was wondering whether there are certain characters I should avoid? Though no character looks too out of the ordinary...
[07:33] <deCon> hi! i'm partitioning an old poor computer with xubuntu and it has two drives, but it is only recognizing IDE1 master (its the first screen of partitioning)...I have 6.8GB on the master, and 5GB on the slave, but again, the slave is not showing
[07:33] <deCon> any suggestions?
[07:33] <deCon> I need to know how to most effectively partition this old machine
[07:34] <maxamillion> deCon: well i don't think its so much that the partitioner is only seeing one drive, but that it will only install the operating system to the first (iirc) and the second can later be formatted and used as auxilery storage
[07:36] <maxamillion> brb
[07:38] <deCon> maxamillion, wonderful...so if i wanted to maximize my old box...OLD box...how would i do this
[07:38] <deCon> maxamillion, set up /boot and / on first, then /swap and /home on the next?
[07:49] <shirish> does anybody how I can add shortcuts to xfce4 panel?
[07:50] <vidd_laptop> yes
[07:50] <vidd_laptop> right click on the panel and add a launcher
[07:50] <vidd_laptop> launcher = shortcut
[07:51] <shirish> vidd_laptop: for e.g. if i want to put exaile in xfce4 & its in Applications > Multimedia > exaile
[07:52] <vidd_laptop> get the pathe for the app, make a launcher in the panel, direct it thru the correct path
[07:53] <shirish> which means it still requires some work. cannot just use drag-n-drop like in Gnome
[07:53] <vidd_laptop> not that im aware of
[07:54] <vidd_laptop> but all good things require some work
[07:54] <vidd_laptop> otherwise...imagine the bloat
[07:55] <shirish> how do i make a launcher in the panel?
[07:55] <Myrtti> you were just told, you know
[07:56] <shirish> Myrtti: this is the first time I'm doing it
[07:56] <Myrtti> [08:51]  < vidd_laptop> right click on the panel and add a launcher
[07:58] <deCon> xubuntu install didn't detect my wifi card, any ideas why or if its finished, Gnome will detect?
[07:59] <maxamillion> deCon: gnome technically doesn't detect anything, it just has applications that are front ends to the system that will automate some things for you
[07:59] <vidd_laptop> deCon, what kind of card?
[08:00] <deCon> vidd_laptop, its a netgear w311
[08:00] <vidd_laptop> pci...usb...pcmcia?
[08:00] <deCon> pci
[08:01] <vidd_laptop> do a lspci,,,,,,see if it aint a broadcom 43xxchipset
[08:01] <vidd_laptop> lspci | grep Broadcom
[08:01] <deCon> waiting for install to finish, i'm just installing now
[08:02] <maxamillion> deCon: do "lspci | grep Broadcom" and see if that command spits anything out
[08:02] <shirish> Myrtti: vidd_laptop: while I've been able to make the launcher, I'm not able to move it nor am I able to give it the stock icon of exaile
[08:02] <vidd_laptop> move it where?
[08:03] <shirish> vidd_laptop: move it to the center of the panel away from other icons, but it likes to stick to some icon or the other
[08:03] <Myrtti> the stock icon isn't in /usr/pixmaps
[08:03] <vidd_laptop> you will most likely find the icon in /usr/share/pixmaps/
[08:03] <Myrtti> or actually, it doesn't have a stock icon
[08:03] <Myrtti> let me see where I've got it
[08:03] <Myrtti> oh yes, I forgot
[08:03] <Myrtti> I use the svn
[08:03] <Myrtti> nevermind
[08:04] <vidd_laptop> shirish, you will need to add a spacer
[08:04] <shirish> vidd_laptop: aha, a spacer
[08:05] <vidd_laptop> and you can modify the spacer to a specific size if ya want
[08:05] <shirish> vidd_laptop: I did that, does it mean for each icon I need I need one spacer?
[08:06] <vidd_laptop> if you want a space for them
[08:06] <vidd_laptop> i dont really play around with them cuzz i dont like a lot of clutter
[08:07] <shirish> this is too much work for having spaces, don't think gnome doesn't do like that if I remember
[08:07] <vidd_laptop> i condenced my taskbars onto a single bar
[08:07] <vidd_laptop> just remember...this is NOT gnome
[08:07] <maxamillion> xfce != gnome
[08:08] <maxamillion> gnu != unix
[08:08] <maxamillion> *nix != windows
[08:08] <shirish> true
[08:08] <vidd_laptop> *nix > windows
[08:09] <shirish> vidd_laptop: what do u mean you condenced your taskbars into a single bar, can u show me a screenshot to illustrate what you mean
[08:09] <vidd_laptop> { } < windows
[08:09] <vidd_laptop> is there a keyboard shortcut for screenshots?
[08:10] <crimsun> printscreen.
[08:11] <shirish> crimsun: hey there :)
[08:12] <maxamillion> shirish: this is a screenshot of my machine from a couple says ago: http://swooh.kicks-ass.org/~adam/debianEtchXfce.png (running debian etch at the moment, but i have an identical screenshot running xubuntu edgy if you prefer that)
[08:13] <vidd_laptop> now how to i get you a copy?
[08:13] <shirish> maxamillion: are you using gimmie or something like that,
[08:13] <shirish> vidd_laptop: you can always use imageshack or send me the file directly through ddc
[08:13] <maxamillion> shirish: gimmie? ... never heard of it
[08:14] <shirish> maxamillion: then how did you manage to have such a cool-looking taskbar?
[08:14] <maxamillion> shirish: uhmm... xfce default ... www.xfce.org
[08:14] <maxamillion> ahhhh yeah, gimmie ... i remember reading about that
[08:15] <maxamillion> shirish: right click the taskbar and select "customize panel"
[08:15] <maxamillion> shirish: and where it says "full width" clickt he drop down and select "normal width"
[08:15] <aussieman> anyone good at fixing azureus and firewall/iptables?
[08:16] <maxamillion> aussieman: negative
[08:16] <vidd_laptop> i cant get a screenshot
[08:16] <aussieman> thanks
[08:16] <shirish> ok, this is cool
[08:17] <shirish> vidd_laptop: can't you go to accessories > take screenshot > and put a timer there something like 5 seconds?
[08:17] <vidd_laptop> uhhh no...not an option for me
[08:18] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: right click and add the screenshot plugin to your panel, take the screenie and then remove it from your panel
[08:18] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: that's what i do
[08:22] <vidd_laptop> shirish, you getting the file?
[08:23] <shirish> it is stuck at waiting for transfer to begin
[08:23] <shirish> perhaps we try again
[08:23] <shirish> if this does not work then you can always upload it to http://imageshack.us & then gimme the link
[08:26] <shirish> doesn't seem to be working vidd_laptop, perhaps you can upload it imageshack
[08:26] <vidd_laptop> href="http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotnk6.png"
[08:26] <vidd_laptop> i think
[08:29] <maxamillion> wow ... that irc window seems crowded :(
[08:29] <vidd_laptop> irc is usually full screen
[08:30] <vidd_laptop> well...most of them
[08:30] <maxamillion> ah
[08:30] <maxamillion> i only run iceweasel in full screen
[08:31] <Myrtti> http://velhottaret.net/~myrtti/wp-content/gallery/screenshots/2006-10-13.png <3
[08:31] <shirish> ok guys how do I add the take screenshot plugin to the panel, its not there in Add items to the panel
[08:32] <maxamillion> shirish: yes it is, its installed by default
[08:32] <vidd_laptop> just above spacer
[08:33] <vidd_laptop> it had to be added by default...otherwise i wouldnt have it
[08:33] <shirish> maxamillion: i can see it in Applications > Accessories but its not in add panel, there is spacer but above that I have sensor plugin no screenshot plugin
[08:34] <vidd_laptop> maxamillion, she must have installed xfce over ubuntu
[08:34] <maxamillion> ahhhhh
[08:35] <shirish> vidd_laptop: he, not she, and yes I have installed xfce over ubuntu
[08:35] <maxamillion> shirish: "sudo aptitude install xfce4-goodies"
[08:35] <vidd_laptop> shirish, it was a typo
[08:35] <shirish> I have already installed xfce4-goodies way back
[08:36] <maxamillion> oh
[08:37] <vidd_laptop> you should drop back 10 yards and punt.....
[08:37] <vidd_laptop> install xubuntu-desktop
[08:37] <vidd_laptop> get ALL the good stuff
[08:38] <shirish> http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1848/additemstothepanelzm8.png
[08:38] <shirish> I have already done that, but will still try it again
[08:39] <vidd_laptop> personally....i would apt-get remove x11-common, apt-get autoremove, apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[08:39] <vidd_laptop> get rid of ALL that gnome bloat but good
[08:39] <shirish> vidd_laptop: I still want to hold on gnome so if i want to change, I can do it in jiffy
[08:40] <vidd_laptop> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop....bam...back to the bloat
[08:41] <shirish> vidd_laptop: I prefer aptitude so it would simply "sudo aptitude purge x11-common"
[08:41] <shirish> bb in a while, gotta make lunch
[08:41] <vidd_laptop> glad to hear that!
[08:41] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[08:42] <shirish> til that time you guys carry on, I am going to have lot of queries for sure
[08:42] <vidd_laptop> well...not about the lunch thing,,,,about the aptitude
[08:43] <vidd_laptop> yeah...you get this kind of wacked out wierd stuff wen you install gnome first
[08:44] <vidd_laptop> better to do a clean install and THEN add gnome
[08:44] <vidd_laptop> preferably as a dual boot!
[08:44] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[08:45] <vidd_laptop> night all
[08:55] <deCon> any reason the install is taking FOREVER? its been on the language-pack-en-base for about an hour...1% for this first hour
[08:55] <maxamillion> deCon: what are the specs of the machine?
[08:56] <deCon> maxamillion, ummm old. like a 400mhz P2 or so, with 128mb ram
[08:56] <deCon> maxamillion, probably pc100 with a 6.8GB hdd
[08:56] <deCon> maxamillion, IDE of course
[08:57] <maxamillion> deCon: you might need to use the alternate installation iso image, i believe there were some issues with the latest ubuntu-base and machines with 128mb of ram using the liveCD (ubuntu-base is the core system that xubuntu is built off of)
[08:58] <deCon> maxamillion, oh it is the alternate
[08:59] <maxamillion> deCon: oh ... huh
[08:59] <maxamillion> lemme check for bug reports
[08:59] <deCon> maxamillion, could be a bad HDD, but it should work
[08:59] <deCon> maxamillion, thanks
[09:01] <deCon> maxamillion, i'm hoping the text gui is just lagging behind the actual progress, although i doubt it
[09:02] <maxamillion> deCon: been known to happen actually ....
[09:02] <deCon> maxamillion, *crosses fingers* ...how long do you think the avg install would be for an old box like this?
[09:04] <deCon> unfortunately for me, the PC is also fairly loud, and its hooked up next to my bed :(
[09:04] <maxamillion> ouch
[09:04] <deCon> yep
[09:04] <maxamillion> deCon: honestly i don't entirely know but i would guess 2 hours
[09:04] <deCon> maxamillion, hopefully ack
[09:04] <maxamillion> deCon: yeah ... i don't see anything in the bug reports on it
[09:05] <maxamillion> deCon: try ctrl+f1 or ctrl+f2 and see if either of those gives you a verbose output of what its doing (i can't remember which function key does it)
[09:05] <deCon> maxamillion, in a different realm, i have a logitech keyboard that i'd like to fix the setup on...feisty full release...i have a remote I would like to use again, and to configure side scrolling with my mouse 3, as well as get full function of my keyboard shortcut keys
[09:06] <deCon> any of the three will make me more happy
[09:06] <deCon> mostly getting the multimedia functions out of the remote and keyboard
[09:08] <deCon> maxamillion: nothing..no response
[09:08] <maxamillion> deCon: i have very little experience with the remote so i probably wouldn't be of much help
[09:09] <deCon> maxamillion: any ideas where i could find ubuntu/linux support for something so specific?
[09:09] <maxamillion> deCon: hmm.... yeah, i think it is safe to say that the installation froze ... but at the same time there were reports of the installer "freezing at 85%" for a few hours and then continuing on like normal
[09:09] <maxamillion> deCon: honestly, ubuntuforums.org or google will be your best bet for something like that
[09:09] <deCon> maxamillion, i can hear things working...but no GUI response. so it should be fine if i just let it run its course?
[09:11] <maxamillion> deCon: i can't promise much, but as long as the hardware is chugging along its rather likely that things will result well in the end
[09:12] <deCon> maxamillion, right. i think i can configure some of the things through "keyboard shortcuts"..but the remote may be an issue
[09:13] <deCon> one other off hand question, i have a dongle for input of video sources into my video card, and i like to plug gaming consoles in to use with my monitor, would you have any idea where to find, or what to do to enable this feature? In windows it is a proprietary driver? Should i just try it in WINE?
[09:15] <maxamillion> deCon: it would probably be a feature of the graphics card driver ... what manufacturer makes the card? (ati, nvidia, etc.)
[09:15] <deCon> maxamillion, nvidia
[09:17] <deCon> maxamillion, researching now .... but i'm curious how to change default apps...like the music player. cuz i have the keyboard shortcuts working
[09:18] <maxamillion> deCon: good news, nvidia offers the best linux configuration tool for graphics cards to date
[09:18] <maxamillion> !nvidia | deCon
[09:18] <ubotu> deCon: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:18] <maxamillion> deCon: that is how to install the driver and then info on the tool ....
[09:20] <maxamillion> deCon: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-t.html
[09:20] <maxamillion> deCon: if that tool doesn't install automatically with the drivers, then just install the package "nvidia-settings" with the package manager of your choice
[09:22] <naoise> maxamillion, apparently my remote works...i accidentally pressed the standby button, and of course ACPI doesn't work right yet
[09:24] <maxamillion> naoise == deCon ?
[09:25] <naoise> maxamillion, yes...how do i change my name CLI style?
[09:25] <BFTD> maxamillion!!!!
[09:25] <BFTD> where have you been
[09:25] <BFTD> its been weeks
[09:26] <mrynit2> how can iget XFree86 installed? this app i want says it needs 3.3.6
[09:27] <maxamillion> BFTD: its been 1 week and i have been uber busy .... final exams, work, and now i have 12 days to find a new place to live because i didn't realize my lease is up reallly soon
[09:27] <maxamillion> mrynit2: xfree86 hasn't been current for years, xorg is the system that replaced it and retains reverse compatibility
[09:27] <mrynit2> hmm
[09:27] <maxamillion> naoise: /nick <name>
[09:28] <BFTD> !!
[09:28] <BFTD> pity
[09:28] <maxamillion> i know
[09:28] <naoise> it didn't change
[09:29] <maxamillion> naoise: hmmm...
[09:29] <maxamillion> worked here
[09:29] <naoise> ugh, and now i can't click my power icon...wow i am having issues
[09:29] <maxamillion> :(
[09:29] <naoise> any ideas why my power icon slid off to the upper right corner where i can't see it
[09:30] <naoise> it has been creeping the last two or three reboots
[09:30] <maxamillion> naoise: screen position
[09:30] <maxamillion> naoise: if its a CRT just move it, if its a LCD then auto-focus
[09:30] <mrynit2> i get this "You must have XFree86 installed." when i run the install file
[09:30] <naoise> fixed it, just moved my workspace things
[09:31] <maxamillion> naoise: my LCD does that everythime it hybernates ... dunno why but it has something to do with X11 and the LCD, but i know it isn't linux's fault because my lcd at work doesn't do it
[09:31] <maxamillion> naoise: ah ok
[09:31] <maxamillion> mrynit2: strange
[09:32] <mrynit2> no source
[09:32] <naoise> oh, and btw, the install of xubuntu is running well, its at 20% now
[09:33] <maxamillion> naoise: awesome
[09:33] <naoise> "/nick <decon>" should work?
[09:34] <maxamillion> naoise: oh no no
[09:34] <maxamillion> sorry
[09:34] <maxamillion> naoise: /nick decon
[09:34] <naoise> still doesn't
[09:34] <maxamillion> naoise: without the < >
[09:34] <maxamillion> oh ..
[09:34] <maxamillion> hmm
[09:34] <naoise> there we go
[09:34] <maxamillion> naoise: ahhh, yeah
[09:34] <maxamillion> :)
[09:35] <deCon> ...why doesn't my ACPI work? it just shuts off all xorg type things...my monitor goes black and even when i hit the physical power button, the computer continues, but no visual
[09:35] <deCon> maxamillion, I <3 open source...you couldn't get knowledge like yours even if you paid a crappy company..and often, do not. THANK YOU so much
[09:35] <maxamillion> deCon: probably because your motherboard doesn't support acpi and the kernel is just "forcing" the boot option
[09:35] <maxamillion> deCon: anytime :)
[09:35] <deCon> maxamillion, oh...my mobo supports it
[09:35] <maxamillion> oh ... hmmm
[09:36] <deCon> maxamillion, i'm running a very nice computer, but for some reason..it didn't work in edgy, and it hasn't worked in feisty
[09:36] <maxamillion> deCon: acpi is just strange to be honest, my friend bought a brand new top of the line ASUS mobo and had to wait 2 kernel releases for acpi to work on it
[09:37] <maxamillion> deCon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI?highlight=%28acpi%29
[09:37] <deCon> maxamillion, thanks...i think i'm going to refresh x because a couple things didn't work...brb..continuing the troubleshooting, hoping to teach myself more and more in the next couple semesters, and by taking intro to unix
[09:38] <maxamillion> deCon: oooo, unix classes are good
[09:38] <deCon> maxamillion, should help me a lot on understanding this all?
[09:38] <maxamillion> deCon: uhmm... yes and no
[09:38] <maxamillion> deCon: more so just some background concepts because technically gnu != unix but gnu is very "unix like"
[09:41] <deCon> maxamillion, well it will be a start i guess...i'm hoping to teach myself everything i need to know on my own, since school sucks at doing that
[09:41] <deCon> brb
[09:43] <deCon> kk restarted
[09:43] <deCon> everything is back to normal, although it just asked me to reconfigure my firewall..as if i had never done it
[09:43] <maxamillion> firestarter?
[09:46] <deCon> yep
[09:47] <maxamillion> yeah ... good program
[09:47] <maxamillion> not sure why it would ask you to do that though
[09:48] <deCon> ill ignore it until there is a problem
[09:48] <deCon> it shouldn't run as an icon on my taskbar should it?
[09:49] <maxamillion> deCon: nope
[09:49] <maxamillion> deCon: should run in daemon mode
[09:50] <deCon> maxamillion, kk thought so
[09:50] <maxamillion> deCon: i run debian on my home machine and it even has its own output during the boot process :)
[09:51] <deCon> i'm quite disappointed that the corporate scum of M$ can't release their greed enough to allow open-source users to have full functionality
[09:52] <deCon> i switched over two months ago hoping to just lose gaming, but i keep running into more issues i can't seem to find a replacement for
[09:52] <deCon> and i HATE rebooting
[09:52] <maxamillion> deCon: well, on one hand i can understand because they would lose ALOT of money and have to fire alot of employees but on the other idealistic side it does annoy me
[09:52] <maxamillion> deCon: yeah ... rebooting is annoying
[09:52] <deCon> maxamillion, everyone would switch
[09:52] <mrynit2> are there any good linux fps games that will run on a 8mb agp 2 card
[09:52] <deCon> mrynit2, have you *tried* ActionCube or nexuiz?
[09:53] <maxamillion> mrynit2: uhmmm..... nexuiz might
[09:53] <mrynit2> d/ling now
[09:53] <deCon> mrynit2, it may be time to spend $40-100 on an amazing new card
[09:53] <mrynit2> im using the defualt install s3 drivers tho
[09:53] <mrynit2> this is the old p3 comp
[09:53] <maxamillion> mrynit2: yeah, the opengl rendering for it should make the game playable
[09:54] <maxamillion> mrynit2: its basically an open source clone of unreal tournament: game of the year edition
[09:56] <mrynit2> this card ran hL1 ok on win2k
[09:56] <maxamillion> mrynit2: yeah, then you should be fine with nexuiz
[09:57] <deCon> do you know if there is a *free* VoIP provider?
[09:57] <deCon> full service calls ?
[09:58] <maxamillion> deCon: not since scype went subscription only .... no :(
[09:58] <deCon> we can only hope that people will prevail over profit one day.......one day
[09:58] <deCon> i guess that will a large part of what i do with my CS MS
[09:58] <deCon> contribute to the community
[10:00] <mrynit2>  asterisk>
[10:00] <maxamillion> yeah, i am about to start my 4th year of my CS undergrad and then on to CS masters and i plan to be a core dev of something by this time next year
[10:02] <deCon> maxamillion, is there pay in the open-source community...i know its an oxymoron, but i know there are companies like SUN etc
[10:02] <deCon> i'm finishing my AS this summer and then onto my CS/MS 4 yr
[10:02] <maxamillion> deCon: there is alot of pay in open-source, like people with RedHat certifications make good money being technicians
[10:03] <deCon> rather, 2.5 year
[10:03] <deCon> maxamillion, i guess this is the beginning to my long path
[10:03] <maxamillion> deCon: yup :)
[10:03] <deCon> its inherent to help in such a community, since my ideals are placed in socialism
[10:04] <deCon> hows mythTV? is it as good as everyone speaks of it?
[10:04] <maxamillion> deCon: not only that but alot of business user space applications are being written in multi-platform languages these days (mainly java) so you can code on linux, run on whatever
[10:04] <maxamillion> deCon: yes, i am currently (slowly) building a DVR box for my living room that will run mythTV
[10:05] <deCon> maxamillion, interesting, so what languages do you hope to/actually do work with? i hear python is quite the hot language these days
[10:06] <deCon> but where is the pay, i'm generally doing a CS BS/MS program for the money, so that i can do my own start-ups and whatnot..i know it'll get me somewhere, i just want to make sure i'm not screwing others when doing so
[10:06] <maxamillion> i write in python for fun (and for classes that let us choose the language) but i will probably end up coding Java for a living
[10:06] <deCon> java is quite the popular language, what others are the big ones?
[10:06] <maxamillion> Java seems to be the hot language for application programming, php and python for web development, and ruby/ruby-on-rails also for web devel
[10:07] <deCon> any idea how to run me through a mythTV install? ..i have the package and its open in Archive manager...
[10:07] <deCon> ahh, so mainly java for what i'm seeking...web does not interest me that much
[10:07] <maxamillion> deCon: uhmmm... mythTV is in the repositories "sudo aptitude install mythtv" ... done
[10:08] <kumamoto> maxamillion: have installed ruby-on-rails?
[10:08] <deCon> maxamillion, then why would there need be an option to download?
[10:08] <maxamillion> kumamoto: nope, haven't ever touched it ... just know people who code it for a living
[10:08] <kumamoto> ah
[10:08] <maxamillion> deCon: for people not running debian/ubuntu
[10:09] <deCon> maxamillion, excellent...any idea for the extra themes/plugins?
[10:09] <maxamillion> deCon: www.xfce-look.org
[10:09] <maxamillion> deCon: www.xubuntu.org <---lots of resources there :)
[10:10] <deCon> maxamillion, actually i'm in ubuntu feisty...i was just hopping in here to talk about the other install i'm running, which is stuck at 65% right now..
[10:10] <deCon> plus...its more busy in the main forum
[10:11] <maxamillion> yeah ... i think that is a known issue, it should pass given some time ... there were a few unexplained oddities in the feisty installer
[10:12] <maxamillion> deCon: i have been a debian gnu/linux user for over 7 years now and i plan to start learning FreeBSD inside and out this summer and then onto OpenSolaris ... want to know as much *nix as i can :)
[10:13] <kumamoto> I have been playing with opensolaris using nexentaOS and if you don't have a bsd background man it is hell to work with
[10:14] <kumamoto> sorry to butt in that was just my 2c
[10:14] <maxamillion> kumamoto: no worries
[10:15] <maxamillion> kumamoto: yeah, i have played with freebsd a little but don't know much about it ... plan to buy "The Complete BSD" O'Reilly publication and familiarize myself with the entire system
[10:15] <deCon> have you been switching in and out of main OS's...or running one main one, and switching over to others?
[10:17] <maxamillion> deCon: always run debian or "a debian" on my home machine and just kinda play with others on the side
[10:17] <deCon> debian just work properly?
[10:17] <maxamillion> deCon: interesting link: http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=independence <---shows how much of the linux world is made up of debian
[10:17] <deCon> umm, so i ran mythtv, without doing something i think...and its running, but uh....ya..its on my main desktop
[10:17] <maxamillion> deCon: uhmm... debian is stable and secure above all else
[10:18] <maxamillion> deCon: you asked how to install it, not how to use it ;) ...
[10:18] <deCon> lol
[10:18] <maxamillion> deCon: you should be able to just exit the program and be back at your desktop
[10:19] <deCon> yep
[10:19] <maxamillion> but yeah ... "ubuntu is debian" just with alot of hack and slash stuff going on to make it more geared towards the desktop user
[10:19] <maxamillion> debian is more of a "pure" gnu/linux distro ... so to speak
[10:20] <deCon> more cli oriented?
[10:20] <maxamillion> deCon: uhmm... yeah i guess you could say that
[10:20] <deCon> depends on distro..
[10:21] <maxamillion> deCon: i do all of my system administration in the cli anyways so even on xubuntu i didn't really notice much of a difference
[10:21] <deCon> so your more of a computing user, not a graphics user
[10:21] <deCon> xubuntu for performance..
[10:21] <maxamillion> deCon: pretty much ... i mainly just code
[10:22] <deCon> what do you code? ....like what types of applications or why?
[10:22] <maxamillion> deCon: i enjoy xfce and have used it for a long time (before xubuntu even existed) and i like a graphical user interface but there are just certain things i like better in the cli
[10:22] <deCon> because i've become a computer user mainly because of gaming originally, and now i'm interested in being able to fix/admin everything about all my tech...since i have a psp, a python-able phone, and a few other similar devices
[10:23] <maxamillion> deCon: i mainly just code for class and random stuff for work (i have a student level system admin job for my college campus)
[10:23] <deCon> i'm a power-user that has suddenly taken an interest in how/why things operate, and what i can do to make them more appropriate for my power use...like i want to learn to add features to things
[10:23] <maxamillion> deCon: yup ... open source is the place for you
[10:24] <deCon> i hope so, cuz i was fairly lost, but i think i just need to give myself some time to learn
[10:24] <maxamillion> deCon: yes, its a long road that will really just come to you in time ... its kinda one of those things that once you learn the basics... the rest will come to you in the form of experience
[10:24] <deCon> its just so intimidating coming from such an area where the "how" doesn't really come into play...and there is an overwhelming amount of content because of the types of code out there...it boggles me and its hard to figure out where to start
[10:25] <maxamillion> deCon: here is a good place :)
[10:25] <deCon> well thanks for the help, where are you from..cuz its late where i'm at
[10:25] <maxamillion> deCon: Texas
[10:25] <maxamillion> deCon: its 3:30am here
[10:25] <deCon> ahhhh....
[10:25] <deCon> utah here
[10:26] <maxamillion> i _should_ sleep ... but i don't have to wake up till noon tomorrow so i'm not too worried
[10:26] <deCon> any ideas for a kid to start learning programming? next semester i think i'm taking intro to unix and this semester is intro to C++
[10:26] <deCon> haha, i tell myself that all the time, but the last week i've been up til four and woken at 2pm
[10:27] <maxamillion> nice
[10:27] <maxamillion> C++ isn't a bad place to start, you will probably learn some good and some bad programming habbits that kinda come with the territory of the language (you will learn in time that C++ is a complete hack job of a programming language)
[10:28] <maxamillion> but over all i think C++ and/or Java are good starting points
[10:28] <deCon> i did java in 2003, but as an indy study in high school...so i half assed the hell out of it, and can't remember anything
[10:29] <maxamillion> C++ is good because it teaches you a decent number of "low level" concepts but doesn't let you completely shoot yourself in the foot without throwing a warning or two at compile time
[10:29] <maxamillion> Java is a very "safe" language
[10:29] <maxamillion> good language, just very safe
[10:30] <deCon> how would you describe python? One of my very intelligent programmer/advanced networking linux user friends recommended checking it out because it was "perfect". And this guy seemed to be as power-user in the *nix world as anyone i had ever met
[10:31] <deCon> how do you fake actions in irc?
[10:31] <maxamillion> fake actions?
[10:31] <maxamillion> like ...
[10:31] <deCon> yes
[10:31] <crimsun> I've never heard of C++ as a hack job
[10:31] <maxamillion> crimsun: you are kidding right?
[10:31] <crimsun> I've heard people say they strongly dislike, even hate, C++
[10:32] <maxamillion> well, yes
[10:32] <maxamillion> deCon: /me whatever
[10:33] <maxamillion> deCon: python is "perfect" in alot of ways, but imperfect in others ... its probably my favorite language to code in and it has a very solid foundation within the *nix community and i think its something that should be learned
[10:34] <maxamillion> deCon: but i think you should learn C, C++, or Java before you learn Python so you truly appreciate what all python does for you
[10:34] <crimsun> Python is a great language for many, many uses.
[10:34] <deCon> and my phone and PSP can use it!
[10:34] <maxamillion> crimsun: i wrote a compiler for class in Python :)
[10:34] <crimsun> There is no one language that does everything brilliantly (easily and efficiently)
[10:34] <deCon> maybe i should start there as an independent learning endeavor
[10:35] <crimsun> Everything depends on the requirements and the task.
[10:35] <deCon> they all have strengths and weaknesses, but python is favored..yes?
[10:35] <deCon> example?
[10:35] <maxamillion> deCon: if you learn python first then when you go to learn other languages you will say "omg, its so much easier in python... why don't they do it like <blah>?"
[10:35] <deCon> maxamillion, i literally went over to my 4+ year stack of textbooks and grabbed my C++ and Java books
[10:35] <maxamillion> nice
[10:35] <crimsun> Python is awesome for creating an X Window System-based GUI application.
[10:35] <deCon> maxamillion, so i've heard...haha
[10:36] <deCon> it has to start somewhere, i didn't even think i still had them
[10:36] <crimsun> It's also brilliant for creating Web-based applications, frameworks, and whatnot.
[10:36] <crimsun> It's brilliant for code generation and for sequencing.
[10:37] <maxamillion> deCon: python is interpreted and slow, so it wouldn't be entirely geared for writing a server daemon in to handle high traffic .... for example
[10:37] <crimsun> It would be madness, however, to write a realtime operating system that runs on an 80386 in Python.
[10:37] <deCon> so how do you get so turned-on to code? ...i'm usually more of a browser/gamer....but i have ADD so i get distracted with small stupid things, its hard to stay on task for things such as coding....any tips for getting into it?
[10:37] <maxamillion> deCon: its really just kind of a sense of enjoyment and accomplishment when you write software that does something productive and/or useful
[10:38] <deCon> maxamillion, i'm sure once i get myself some motivation, i can gain that
[10:38] <deCon> just need to work on myself first :P
[10:39] <maxamillion> deCon: fair enough
[10:39] <deCon> any recommends for ubuntu feisty...for programming software?
[10:39] <maxamillion> deCon: heh... depends on how much torture you want to put yourself through
[10:39] <deCon> ack, no torture haa
[10:40] <crimsun> Ubuntu's founder is a proponent of Python.
[10:40] <maxamillion> deCon: well then you need to install a package called "build-essential" and that will get you C/C++ compiler (among other developer tools) .... python comes installed with the main system so no worries there and just use gedit for coding
[10:41] <maxamillion> deCon: or if you want a nice IDE, try a package called geany
[10:41] <deCon> so once my code is 'complete' and i want to test for errors, assuming its C++, how would i run it
[10:41] <maxamillion> deCon: you would have to compile it with g++ and then execute the resulting ELF binary
[10:42] <maxamillion> ok, i need to go to bed
[10:42] <deCon> later, thank you!
[10:42] <maxamillion> deCon: it has been fun, i'm sure i will see you around the channel some other time
[10:42] <deCon> oh yes
[10:42] <maxamillion> crimsun: take care
[10:42] <maxamillion> night night
[12:05] <deCon> can someone tell me why this install has been taking 5 hours
[12:05] <deCon> ?
[12:05] <deCon> it stuck at 1% then continued...is at 65% and has been for 1.5 hours, just like it did at 1%
[12:10] <Gerro> no clue, did you have minor power outage or is it overheated?
[12:10] <Gerro> retry if you like
[12:12] <Gerro> xubuntu is a refined taste not a poor excuse to keep using extremely old hardware, what your cpu rate?
[12:37] <belco> Hi all, first time here, newbie with xubuntu
[01:29] <MaxFrames> hello
[01:29] <MaxFrames> i don't know how i got rid accidentally of the application bar i configured (lower panel)
[01:29] <MaxFrames> i can't figure out how to restore it :(
[01:43] <Myrtti> double click on the remaining panel
[01:44] <Myrtti> pick customize panel
[02:30] <MaxFrames> re
[02:30] <MaxFrames> Myrtti: there is no remaining panel
[02:30] <MaxFrames> I have tried to open the settings manager and then clicking on "panel", but nothing happens
[02:30] <MaxFrames> (meaning that no settings window appears)
[02:32] <MaxFrames> i forgot to say that I had eliminated all panels except this one, so now I have no visible panels
[02:37] <belco> @ MaxFrames: try Alt+F5
[02:37] <MaxFrames> nothing happens
[02:38] <belco> sorry
[02:38] <belco> Alt+F2
[02:39] <MaxFrames> if I hit ALT+F2, a "run program" popup window appears
[02:39] <belco> try then to type in xfce4-panel
[02:40] <MaxFrames> excellent :)
[02:40] <MaxFrames> back to normal
[02:40] <belco> nice
[03:08] <makki> after update no taskbar!! please help to return it
[03:14] <TheSheep> makki: press alt+f2, then type 'xfce4-panel'
[03:15] <makki> its back thank you
[03:16] <TheSheep> makki: save the session when logging out and it should stay
[03:17] <makki> ok thank you again
[03:44] <Brouken> hi there. is there any way to force 100hz to different resolutions with ati's fglrx drivers in feisty fawn ? it just sticks to 85hz even when i change hz from the display settings to 100hz.
[03:45] <belco> Q: Is it possible to tell Firefox what to use for RTSP protocol ?
[03:53] <Catoptromancy> Is it possible to run a command line from another partition?
[03:53] <Catoptromancy> I can easily access my windows partitions with linux
[03:54] <Catoptromancy> So I can make a shell script that easily launchs a program in wine
[04:44] <ivo> hello, I'm trying to configure the wireless network at university but the wpa_gui "COULD NOT GET STATUS FROM WPA_SUPPLICANT"... I didn't get any further on the web, can anybody help me?
[04:55] <TheSheep> !wifi | ivo
[04:55] <ubotu> ivo: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:57] <masked_marsoe> is there any way to get the compose key function working?
[04:58] <masked_marsoe> as with regular ubuntu through keyboard options
[06:49] <thefirstdude> I'm having trouble reading dvds?
[06:50] <thefirstdude> with suse, no problem, but with xubuntu I can't read 'em?
[06:50] <thefirstdude> I go to /media/
[06:50] <kiev3> hello :) can anyone tell me whats the minimal requirements for xubuntu to run?
[06:50] <thefirstdude> it recognizes it's a dvd
[06:50] <thefirstdude> but not see anyfiles in it
[06:51] <thefirstdude> vlc can't play dvd either
[06:51] <W8TAH> ok -- how do i override / change the password rules in xubuntu?
[06:57] <Lectus> Hey! Are most people here using Xubuntu installed from apt-get xubuntu-desktop or a Xubuntu clean install from the CD? (just curious about it)
[06:58] <W8TAH> clean install from cd -- using alternate cd
[07:09] <thefirstdude> how can I tell apt-get to install missing dependencies for an already installed package?
[07:11] <W8TAH> id try just re-installling it and let it pull them in-- but im a rookie so who knows
[07:11] <gnomefreak> thefirstdude: if its installed it should have all depends installed also
[07:12] <thefirstdude> gnomefreak, it has like recommended files, and suggested files that it actually needs
[07:12] <thefirstdude> that's what I wan
[07:12] <thefirstdude> t
[07:12] <gnomefreak> thefirstdude: recommends and suggested are not needed at all but using aptitude will install them
[07:13] <gnomefreak> thefirstdude: remove it than sudo aptitude install package
[07:13] <thefirstdude> aptitude vd apt-get?
[07:16] <gnomefreak> aptitude grabs recommended and suggested packages were as apt-get doesnt
[07:16] <gnomefreak> .win 10
[07:30] <Catoptromancy> isnt there a way to edit the xfce menu? Not the usual but the entries in "include"
[07:45] <Maybelline> Catoptromancy: in the menu editor, r-click the --include--, and say "Add external"
[07:48] <deCon> ive been working on this damn installation on an old box all night, and i just woke up to run its first boot....
[07:48] <deCon> this is what i get... /bin/sh:can't access tty: job control turned off *initrams)
[07:50] <deCon> any ideas?
[07:52] <deCon> i entered "yes" and now its just cycling a line of y's down the left side of screen
[07:56] <Catoptromancy> Maybelline, I want to erase a menu item, not add one
[07:56] <Maybelline> Catoptromancy: Oh, you want to edit the debian system menu?
[07:56] <Catoptromancy> ya
[07:56] <Catoptromancy> Wine has it own whole menu system ill never use
[07:57] <Catoptromancy> next to system and office
[07:57] <Maybelline> Catoptromancy: if you don't mind hackin' a bit, check out /usr/share/menu
[07:58] <Maybelline> Catoptromancy: that might do somethin'
[07:58] <Catoptromancy> those are all programs under the menus
[07:58] <Catoptromancy> I want the whole menu gone
[07:58] <Catoptromancy> of Wine
[07:59] <Maybelline> Catoptromancy: I guess I don't understand.  You want the --include-- menu gone, or an entry ON the --include-- menu?
[07:59] <Catoptromancy> and entry on the include menu
[07:59] <Catoptromancy> an*
[08:01] <Catoptromancy> Wait
[08:01] <Catoptromancy> ill see if the 1 program I need wine for has source code
[08:01] <Catoptromancy> heh
[08:06] <Catoptromancy> wow lost my desktop
[08:07] <Catoptromancy> My icon in thunar to move to desktop is gone
[08:08] <Catoptromancy> well I dont really need it anyway
[08:08] <Catoptromancy> seems all my stuff just downloads to home
[08:09] <deCon> can someone help me please? I'm at some sort of cli after first install on a 350mhz 128mb ram box. it says busy box then an error and a prompt
[08:10] <Matty_b> hi :)
[08:11] <Matty_b> probably hear this one all the time but i'm trying to install xubuntu on a EPIA 800 with a C3 CPU :) any tips?
[08:13] <Catoptromancy> what happened to install?
[08:13] <Catoptromancy> Tried Live CD?
[08:13] <deCon> no
[08:13] <Catoptromancy> Alternate CD is alot easier to install on more PCs
[08:13] <Catoptromancy> expcially the older ones
[08:14] <Matty_b> ahh yes i was told that...
[08:14] <Matty_b> the live cd just freezes
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> Very much so - actually I prefer the alt even for new boxes, but that's me
[08:14] <Catoptromancy> IF your totaly sure you want xubuntu, jsut backup your files, and use Alternate CD
[08:15] <Catoptromancy> Ive installed a few distros and Xubuntu by far the easiest and best looking
[08:15] <Catoptromancy> and fastest
[08:15] <Matty_b> really i got it running on an old 550 celeron ...it reminds me a bit of 3.11
[08:15] <Maybelline> Catoptromancy: check this out http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/04/howto-remove-menu-entries-from-the-system-menu/
[08:15] <Matty_b> as in windows obviously :)
[08:15] <Catoptromancy> THX May
[08:16] <Maybelline> np
[08:16] <Catoptromancy> I just a clean duel boot, lost all my settings
[08:16] <Catoptromancy> wine jsut wasnt working right for a few programs
[08:21] <deCon> can someone help me please? I'm at some sort of cli after first install on a 350mhz 128mb ram box. it says busy box then an error and a prompt
[08:22] <TheSheep> deCon: what does it say above the busybox message?
[08:23] <deCon> nothing
[08:23] <deCon> TheSheep, /bin/sh:can't access tty: job control turned off
[08:23] <Lectus> Catoptromancy: What distributions have you tried?
[08:23] <deCon> TheSheep, that is below it..then it continues to a prompt called "(initramfs)"
[08:24] <deCon> am i missing something? isn't there a gui?
[08:24] <deCon> when i hit help, it gives a list of commands...but i want to get to a desktop envior
[08:25] <TheSheep> deCon: busybox is kind of an emergency shell that comes up when the system fails to start normally
[08:26] <deCon> TheSheep, ugh...
[08:26] <TheSheep> deCon: the 'job control' message is normal, as busybox doesn't have it
[08:26] <TheSheep> deCon: the reason why you dropped to busybox should be above it
[08:26] <deCon> TheSheep, any ideas? no other warnings are given before this
[08:26] <TheSheep> try typing 'dmesg|tail'
[08:27] <deCon> TheSheep: there is a message below about the tty, but that is it
[08:28] <deCon> TheSheep, "tail" works...but no dmesg
[08:28] <deCon> TheSheep: and its just a cursor blinking below, nothing has happened yet
[08:28] <TheSheep> press ctrl+d
[08:29] <TheSheep> you say there is no dmesg?
[08:30] <deCon> TheSheep: correct, no dmesg command, ill try the ctrl+d....i googled the problem, and it seems to be a bug
[08:31] <deCon> TheSheep: /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[08:31] <Catoptromancy> Lectus, slackware, gentoo, debian, opensuse
[08:31] <Catoptromancy> gentoo froze my old laptop, but still should have worked, slackware couldnt even get installed
[08:32] <Catoptromancy> I think I might have liked debian it had xfce
[08:32] <pleia2> it does
[08:33] <deCon> TheSheep, should i try edgy instead?
[08:33] <TheSheep> deCon: yes, that may work. you should also verify the cd from which you installed
[08:33] <TheSheep> deCon: do you use sata disks?
[08:34] <deCon> TheSheep: no they are IDE, and apparently the issue is on 6.10 as well
[08:34] <deCon> TheSheep: I just can't find the fix yet
[08:35] <Lectus> I've tried Mostly Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu... and also play a bit with Mandriva.... I like ready to run distros, as I don't have time to complex installations. I liked Ubuntu, but KDE seems to run faster and yet has more features. I liked XFCE (I'm running xubuntu now). I liked Xubuntu a lot, but it seems to miss a lot of applications available in ubuntu and kubuntu. Also, I didn't notice much perfomance gain by using XFCE instead of 
[08:35] <Lectus> All these choices are nice, but also confusing.
[08:35] <pleia2> Lectus: with the exception of some dock apps, you can run most kde and gnome apps in xfce
[08:38] <deCon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/96084
[08:38] <TheSheep> deCon: the information you provided is not enough to say what is the problem -- busbox comes up always when the system fails to start
[08:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 96084 in initramfs-tools "boot - /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" [Medium,Needs info] 
[08:39] <TheSheep> deCon: that error is normal, busybox doesn't have job control and will never have, it's not a bug
[08:40] <deCon> TheSheep: so how do i bypass it to get to desktoP/
[08:41] <TheSheep> deCon: you need to fix the real problem -- the one that caused you drop to busybox in the first place
[08:41] <TheSheep> deCon: try pressing alt+ctrl+f1, f2, f3, etc. to see if there are no messages on any of the other consoles
[08:41] <Lectus> I liked Kubuntu set of applications better (example: Kopete works better for me than Gaim). I think I'll install Kubuntu again, and just download XFCE and when I want a lighter window manager I login into it.
[08:44] <deCon> TheSheep: rebooting, will try...I may have to change BIOS things as well, its looking for ACPI and the box doesn't have that
[08:46] <Catoptromancy> Lectus, I actually delete a few programs on a clean install and put Kprograms
[08:46] <Catoptromancy> I dont really care what a distro comes with, if the program I was is still available
[08:50] <deCon> TheSheep: well, i'm in BIOS, any suggestions?
[08:50] <Lectus> I see... but it takes some time. I like all KDE programs, I just like XFCE better. So, for me it's easier to install Kubuntu and download XFCE than install Xubuntu and download KDE programs.
[08:51] <Catoptromancy> I think debian had gnome
[08:51] <Catoptromancy> very meh
[08:52] <Catoptromancy> xfce does what I want, usually and looks good
[08:52] <pleia2> debian loads up gnome by default, but you can install xfce and kde (and enlightenment and fluxbox and a zillion others...)
[08:52] <Catoptromancy> I know
[08:52] <Lectus> btw, I don't even know if it's possible to run KDE programs in XFCE (like konqueror). Is it possible?
[08:52] <pleia2> Lectus: yes
[08:52] <Catoptromancy> of course
[08:53] <Catoptromancy> pretty much all programs Ive downloaded for any other  desktop work fine
[08:53] <Catoptromancy> KDE one work better usually
[08:53] <Lectus> ahh... so I think I'll really install Kubuntu and just install XFCE. Will probably be a more confortable environment for me.
[08:54] <Catoptromancy> well Kubuntu and switched to XFCE really is xubnut
[08:55] <Catoptromancy> you jsut get the default programs from KDE
[08:55] <Lectus> yes... I like the default KDE programs better, and I like both KDE and XFCE depending on my mood. :D
[08:55] <deCon> TheSheep: wierd, i changed some BIOS settings (like silent boot) and now it is asking for A: boot disk
[08:55] <Catoptromancy> always good to have a choice heh
[08:57] <Lectus> my doubt is: Will the XFCE run faster than KDE even running KDE programs?
[08:57] <deCon> ugh, *shakes fist*
[08:57] <deCon> i hate this install
[08:58] <Catoptromancy> Well XFCE is suppose to run faster as a base, the programs run by themselves
[08:58] <Catoptromancy> I find Kaffiene to work faster than gxine
[08:58] <Catoptromancy> not to mention gxine seems to be really buggy
[08:58] <Lectus> anyway, Kubuntu was quite fast when I tried (a lot faster than gnome on ubuntu)
[08:59] <Catoptromancy> k3b = total win, great program
[08:59] <Catoptromancy> heh ktorrent too
[08:59] <Lectus> yes... that's why I prefer KDE programs... I find the programs that come with xubuntu very poor
[08:59] <Catoptromancy> i erased gxine and abiword
[08:59] <Lectus> while kubuntu already comes with torrent programs and everything
[08:59] <Catoptromancy> its just a few second download
[09:00] <Catoptromancy> I rather downlaod exactly what I want, than erase ones that distro came with
[09:00] <Lectus> the time I would spend installing the nice programs on xubuntu and removing the useless I would probably better install Kubuntu and just install XFCE
[09:00] <deCon> so i changed my BIOS settings to silent boot, and now it doesn't detect my HDD
[09:00] <Catoptromancy> well its all what you want to do heh
[09:01] <Catoptromancy> I love choices
[09:01] <Catoptromancy> I just setup duel boot, and spent over 20 minutes erasing programs off XP
[09:01] <Lectus> i love choices too... but they confuse me... I think I choose too much and end up not choosing anything LOL
[09:02] <Catoptromancy> XP installs programs, that you need to pay for later? Its like they just decided you wanted them
[09:03] <Lectus> the problem is: I only have CD for Kubuntu dapper, and I'll probably wait for the new feisty to arrive (i ordered it)
[09:03] <Catoptromancy> I treid to downlaod feisty 3 times in Windows
[09:04] <Catoptromancy> ended up installing, and ktorrent to finally get it
[09:04] <Catoptromancy> installing edgy*
[09:04] <Catoptromancy> took like a week to download debian
[09:05] <Lectus> well, I like (Ku / Xu / U)buntu better than WinXP, because it comes with everything I need. On XP I would have to install office and such. But it's not the same thing on other distros like slackware. The "run out-of-the-box" thing is what I like in ubuntu and it's friends.
[09:08] <markku> hello all
[09:13] <deCon> i need help setting up my wifi pci card in xub
[09:13] <markku> Has anyone else experienced this kind problem when using xubuntu? When you start it your desktop taskbars wont be there
[09:13] <markku> wifi?
[09:14] <markku> deCon what is wifi?
[09:14] <markku> never heard about it before
[09:17] <deCon> wireless internet
[09:17] <deCon> Can someone please help me get my wi-fi card recognized and installed
[09:18] <markku> hmm
[09:18] <markku> who is manufacturer?
[09:19] <markku> remember every manufacturer wont give drivers linux if they are non open source
[09:20] <markku> for linux
[09:20] <markku> i could help with dsl modems that requires password and username
[09:23] <deCon> crimsun, you around?
[09:27] <eifzon> can i run xubuntu as server?
[09:27] <markku> it should be possible
[09:28] <markku> If xubuntu doesnt have right program for it im sure you can find right packet for it
[09:28] <eifzon> okok
[09:28] <markku> well i think it should have but im not sure
[09:29] <markku> i have my own problems with this lol
[09:29] <markku> desktop daskbars wont work at all
[09:35] <hyper__ch> eifzon: what kind of server?
[09:35] <eifzon> sys rec?
[09:35] <eifzon> or
[09:35] <hyper__ch> eifzon: what kind of server is that?
[09:37] <hyper__ch> markku: press   Alt+F2
[09:37] <hyper__ch> and enter xfce4-panel
[09:37] <markku> k
[09:37] <markku> i try that
[09:37] <markku> second i have to change vga cable to other computer lol
[09:38] <hyper__ch> alr+f2 should open a terminal
[09:38] <ToHellWithGA> markku: you could use X forwarding couldn't you?
[09:38] <hyper__ch> and xfce4-panel is the panels binary in xfce
[09:38] <ToHellWithGA> ssh -X
[09:38] <markku> X forwarding?
[09:38] <ToHellWithGA> it'd save you some of the back-and-forth cable moving
[09:38] <deCon> can someone help me setup wireless? for some reason during install, it didn't detect it
[09:39] <hyper__ch> !wifi
[09:39] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:39] <ToHellWithGA> deCon: it depends a lot on your chipset
[09:39] <markku> hmm
[09:39] <ToHellWithGA> if you have an ornery chipset it could be hard to get wireless working
[09:39] <markku> might be chipset is too old
[09:39] <hyper__ch> my ralink chip just works
[09:39] <deCon> ToHellWithGA: netgear w311t
[09:39] <hyper__ch> deCon: tried the ndiswrapper?
[09:39] <deCon> hyper_ch: uhh, no. not sure what that is
[09:39] <hyper__ch> !ndiswrapper
[09:39] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:40] <hyper__ch> ^^
[09:40] <markku> btw what means ACPI Force is required
[09:41] <markku> when i start xubuntu it whines about something bios age
[09:41] <hyper__ch> !acpi | markku
[09:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acpi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:41] <hyper__ch> no acpi... hmmm
[09:41] <hyper__ch> deCon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Netgear_WG311_v3?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDevice%29
[09:41] <hyper__ch> markku: dunno
[09:41] <markku> lol
[09:41] <markku> strange
[09:41] <markku> well i try that alt+f2 now
[09:41] <hyper__ch> wow, linuxmce takes a long time to boot the first time
[09:41] <markku> afk a sec
[09:43] <deCon> hyper_ch: it isn't showing at all. Should i restart and try a different slot?
[09:44] <markku> back. Thanks ToHellWithGA, that command worked perfectly
[09:44] <hyper__ch> deCon: I don't have a clue... my card runs out of the box
[09:45] <hyper__ch> if yours doesn't... then you have to figure it out yourself... I can't help there
[09:45] <deCon> eh thanks
[09:45] <markku> hmm
[09:45] <deCon> :(
[09:45] <markku> btw
[09:45] <ToHellWithGA> yeah man, ssh -X is great *over a LAN*
[09:45] <markku> sudo pppoeconf have to be runned just once_
[09:45] <markku> ?
[09:45] <ToHellWithGA> you don't wanna try it over internets.  it is slow
[09:46] <markku> then my network should work even after boot?
[09:46] <hyper__ch> (in vmware)
[09:47] <markku> well thanks anyway i think i can handle rest now when i have now taskbar >)
[09:47] <markku> cya
[09:47] <hyper__ch> markku: you could make a launcher on the desktop
[09:47] <markku> k
[09:47] <hyper__ch> markku: so you can just double-click it to execute the xfce4-panel command
[09:47] <markku> it fails to load at start? or it just made to be so?
[09:48] <hyper__ch> or at least make a launcher that opens a terminal :)
[09:48] <hyper__ch> markku: it should be loaded at start... you may want to check syslog why it fails
[09:48] <markku> yeah guess so >)
[09:48] <markku> btw xubuntu had pppoeconf?
[09:49] <hyper__ch> I guess so... haven't used any dial-up device for years
[09:49] <markku> dial/up?
[09:49] <markku> hmm it is for dsl
[09:49] <hyper__ch> isn't pppoe used for dial ups?
[09:50] <markku> adsl and cable modems
[09:50] <hyper__ch> markku: oh... ok... same funny stuff... nah, not cable modems
[09:50] <hyper__ch> markku: at least not here
[09:50] <markku> oh
[09:50] <markku> different code?
[09:50] <hyper__ch> no clue... I plug in an ethernet cable in the cable modem and I'm directly connected to the net
[09:50] <markku> kubuntu had sudo pppoeconf to get adsl and cable modems work that need password and username
[09:51] <hyper__ch> markku: nah, my cable modem doesn't need that... no username/pwd
[09:51] <markku> well then it is dchp i think
[09:51] <hyper__ch> yes it is
[09:51] <markku> or something like that
[09:51] <hyper__ch> well, I'm not hooked up directly ot the cable modem... because I have put a wifi router in-between :)
[09:51] <markku> dialup tool in kubuntu is KPPP
[09:52] <markku> dunno which one is in xubuntu yet
[09:52] <hyper__ch> markku: no clue
[09:53] <markku> well i havent ever yet used wireless internet access but i think i will have to when i go to university
[09:53] <markku> well later now
[09:53] <markku> thanks you guys were big help
[09:53] <hyper__ch> it's convenient for portable devices.... but if you have a desktop it's not a must have
[09:54] <markku> yeah nice for laptops
[09:54] <hyper__ch> or pdas
[09:54] <hyper__ch> or cell phones
[09:54] <hyper__ch> ^^
[10:06] <g1> Q: Using ThinkPad X20, when starting again after hibernate, the wireless isn't working and the sound also, help.
[10:06] <schlumpf-> hi i downloaded a file i unpacked it via tar xzf and now i try to run or install it.. but i dont know how the readme tells me to "make install" but i the console tells me then that "no rules are made to install..." what should i do?
[10:08] <g1> ,/configure
[10:08] <g1> make
[10:08] <g1> make install
[10:09] <Maybelline> g1: that's kinda a known problem with hibernation -- I get the same problem.  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-248843.html
[10:10] <Maybelline> !bug 57141
[10:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57141 in Ubuntu "Sound doesn't work after restart, only works on cold boot" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57141
[10:11] <g1> damn
[10:12] <Maybelline> g1: also check out /etc/acpi/suspend.d/ scripts.  You might can tweak one to restart your sound & wireless stuff.
[10:12] <g1> no way to restart, I tried restarting alsa server
[10:12] <Maybelline> g1: Maybe you can check that it stops the alsa server in suspend.d, and then make sure it restarts in resume.d/alsa
[10:13] <markku> back :)
[10:13] <g1> thanks
[10:13] <markku> hmm
[10:14] <markku> this all in one chat client is really useful lol
[10:14] <Maybelline> markku: gaim?
[10:16] <Matty_b> doh still no joy with xubuntu :(
[10:16] <g1> from suspend.d
[10:16] <g1> if [ -x /etc/init.d/alsa-utils ] ; then
[10:16] <g1>   /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop
[10:16] <g1> fi
[10:16] <g1> it should stop
[10:17] <markku> hmm
[10:17] <markku> i found command for ACPI
[10:18] <markku> and at boot it says ACPI force is required
[10:19] <markku> Maybelline: Yup gaim
[10:21] <Maybelline> g1: there might be a message in dmesg about it getting suspended or resumed
[10:22] <markku> hmm
[10:22] <markku> Xubuntu didn't have ready torrent client?
[10:22] <Maybelline> markku: deluge rocks, FYI
[10:23] <markku> deluge?
[10:23] <markku> never heard
[10:24] <Maybelline> markku: http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/
[10:26] <markku> hmm
[10:27] <markku> i'm so excited about finding new interesting things in linux. I have used MS Windows now 11 years
[10:29] <markku> hmm
[10:29] <markku> Maybeline how about Ktorrent?
[10:30] <markku> hmm
[10:30] <markku> doesn't work with Xfce4?
[10:30] <g1> Maybeline: dmesg [ 4183.980000]  ac97 0-0:CS4297A: resuming
[10:32] <Catoptromancy_> ktorrent works with xfce
[10:33] <markku> k
[10:35] <markku> hmm
[10:35] <Maybelline> markku: yep, I don't know of any KDE or Gnome app that doesn't work with XFCE
[10:35] <markku> cool
[10:35] <markku> well one problem
[10:35] <markku> i'm totally new with linux so i need instructions to install it ^
[10:36] <markku> ^^
[10:36] <Maybelline> g1: was there a suspend message before that?  That might be the problem, if it doesn't suspend properly
[10:37] <Maybelline> markku: open up synaptic in the menu, search for torrent, and then double-click ktorrent.  All dependencies will get installed automatically
[10:37] <g1> Maybelline:[ 2661.512000]  ac97 0-0:CS4297A: freeze
[10:38] <markku> aa looks so
[10:38] <markku> annoying do to double-double clicks to start certain programs
[10:38] <Maybelline> g1: what if you do a "sudo modprobe -r ac97" or whatever module is used?  Then, modprobe ac97 to get it back... just a thought
[10:38] <markku> hmm got error
[10:39] <Maybelline> markku: actually, you can right click, and choose mark for installation
[10:39] <markku> Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: kdelibs4c2a
[10:39] <shirish> guys my file manager is not responding, any ideas how can I kill it
[10:39] <Maybelline> markku: Hmm, don't know about that one.
[10:40] <Maybelline> shirish: alt-f2, then type in gksudo killall xfce4-terminal
[10:40] <markku> hmm
[10:41] <markku> i retry
[10:41] <Maybelline> markku: probably won't help
[10:41] <markku> hmm
[10:41] <shirish> Maybelline: it didn't do anything :(
[10:41] <markku> looks like i don't have right package installer
[10:42] <Maybelline> shirish: try gksudo killall Thunar (make sure your caps are correct)
[10:42] <shirish> ok that worked
[10:43] <Maybelline> markku: sorry... I don't really use any KDE apps.  There are lots of gnome alternatives, if you're not set on Ktorrent
[10:44] <markku> Maybelline: do i have right package? ktorrent_2.1.4~0jdong1~7.04prevu1_i386.deb
[10:44] <Maybelline> shirish: yeah... sorry, I meant Thunar the first time... oops
[10:44] <shirish> Maybelline: can u also guide me about torrent alternatives, gnome or xfce-based
[10:44] <markku> welcome to the club Shirish
[10:45] <Maybelline> markku: not sure... that looks like a preview release.  That can really make things more difficult.  There should be a Ktorrent in the default repos
[10:45] <shirish> Maybelline: I also thought it would be Thunar but wasn't sure, a noob as far as xfce is concerned
[10:45] <markku> hmm
[10:45] <shirish> Maybelline: Ktorrent is there in the default repos, I had used it sometime back
[10:45] <markku> what do you mean by default?
[10:45] <Maybelline> shirish: for both of you guys, I would recommend deluge.  It really does work great.
[10:46] <markku> well i was old utorrent user and ktorrent is just linux version of it
[10:46] <shirish> Maybelline: I haven't had good experience with it, have filed few bugs for deluge, will have to wait a bit for it to do something
[10:46] <shirish> markku: ktorrent is version  2.1.4-0ubuntu1~feisty1 in the repos
[10:47] <shirish> i.e. unless you are using gutsy or something like dapper about which I'm not aware of
[10:47] <beli> hi folks
[10:48] <g1> Maybelline: unloading the module ac97_codec didn't help
[10:48] <Maybelline> g1: did you reload it?  sudo modprobe ac97
[10:48] <g1> yup
[10:49] <beli> i just did a fresh install of fresty fawn and i want to use wireless lan with wpa/wpa2 encryption.....howto do that?
[10:49] <g1> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base says # Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
[10:49] <g1> options snd-bt87x index=-2
[10:49] <g1> options cx88-alsa index=-2
[10:49] <g1> options saa7134-alsa index=-2
[10:49] <g1> options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2
[10:49] <g1> options snd-intel8x0m index=-2
[10:49] <g1> options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2
[10:49] <g1> options snd-usb-audio index=-2
[10:49] <g1> options snd-usb-usx2y index=-2
[10:50] <beli> nopaste
[10:50] <g1> sorry
[10:50] <shirish> !paste
[10:50] <Maybelline> g1: do lsof | grep snd and see what you get
[10:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:50] <shirish> !paste > g1
[10:52] <beli> noone here using wireless lan with wpa/wpa2?
[10:52] <Maybelline> beli: not me, sorry
[10:52] <markku> i'm using pppoe protocol
[10:52] <markku> sry can't help
[10:53] <g1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21184/plain/
[10:53] <markku> its strange why there isn't a ready tool for pppoeconf
[10:54] <markku> it confused me a lot when i started to use linux/gnu
[10:54] <Maybelline> g1: The only thing I can think of is to remove all the snd-related modules, then do alsa restart
[10:54] <markku> just three different connection types for tools: Dial-up, DCHP, and wireless
[10:55] <g1> how do I find out what are the snd-related modules
[10:55] <markku> wikipedia?
[10:55] <markku> dunno, i'm totally beginner still
[10:55] <Maybelline> g1: lsmod | grep snd
[10:56] <g1> yes, should have thought of that
[10:56] <g1> thanks
[10:56] <shirish> markku: there is some pppoeconf tool, hold on
[10:56] <markku> hmm
[10:57] <markku> my friend told code for terminal
[10:57] <markku> i didn't find a ready tool to set up username and password for dsl or cable modem connection
[10:57] <g1> FATAL: Module snd_cs4281 is in use.
[10:58] <beli> markku: i guess the problem is that there are many different libaries tools relay on
[10:58] <beli> some use QT
[10:58] <beli> others gtk
[10:58] <shirish> markku: just need to do "sudo aptitude install pppoeconf" in the terminal
[10:58] <beli> that's the problem with grafical tools....
[10:58] <shirish> its in the mains so shouldn't be an issue
[10:58] <Maybelline> g1: yeah, you'll have to killall the programs that are using the sound -- lsof | grep snd
[10:58] <shirish> there is also something called xdialog which could be a front-end
[10:58] <beli> shirish: he wants something gui like
[10:59] <markku> Shirish: I know sudo pppoeconf, but what i mean there aren't any "ready program tool" to set up them without opening terminal
[10:59] <Maybelline> !bug pppoeconf
[11:00] <markku> Maybelline
[11:00] <beli> markku: you are a newbie as you said yourself...one thing i can give you on your way to the linux alphageek....learn using console. not gui apps
[11:00] <Maybelline> !bug 52167
[11:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 52167 in pppoeconf "DSL configuration is suboptimal." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52167
[11:01] <beli> markku: but you are right with "there should be tools for the main ways to connect to internet"........in base!
[11:02] <g1> wow that was funny I killed a snd process and the desktop colors changed
[11:02] <shirish> actually pppoeconf is a pretty good tool, just need somebody to make a front-end for it using glade-gnome
[11:02] <beli> shirish: or ncurses ;)
[11:03] <beli> shirish: pppoeconf is doing well on the console
[11:03] <shirish> right, glade-gnome or ncurses
[11:04] <markku> Wtf???
[11:04] <markku> what hell is this
[11:04] <markku> suddenly this thing opened 50 trash cans
[11:04] <shirish> actually it should be glade-gnome3
[11:04] <Maybelline> g1: yeah, that what the xfce-mcs thing does
[11:05] <g1> how do I kill all the snd processes can I copy paste all
[11:06] <Maybelline> g1: not sure... especially if you're writing it into a script for resume.d/
[11:07] <markku> Beli: Yeah i know, first day and i have learned how to set up bugged xfce4-panel when i boot computer, set up pppoeconf in terminal lol
[11:07] <shirish> bb in a moment
[11:08] <markku> hmmm
[11:10] <markku> i need small help with manual partion setting
[11:10] <g1> I guess cold start would help
[11:10] <markku> i don't know how to specify a partion for the root file system (mount point "/")
[11:11] <Maybelline> g1: yeah, that's what I do.  Edgy fixed the sound problem for me, but the wireless still doesn't come back from suspend
[11:11] <markku> Maybelline how new computer you have?
[11:12] <Maybelline> markku: which one? lol
[11:12] <markku> linux one
[11:12] <markku> or suckiest one with linux lol
[11:12] <g1> Maybelline:I have no problem with the wireless because when I restart it, it works. But the sound does not
[11:13] <Maybelline> markku: I've got Xubuntu on a brand new X2 5000+, a P3-800 laptop, a Sempron 3000+, a Sempron 2400+ and an old compaq laptop... 266MHz, I think
[11:13] <g1> I hope this gets fixed
[11:13] <Maybelline> g1: in feisty?
[11:13] <markku> hehe
[11:14] <g1> yes I run feisty
[11:14] <markku> mine linux computer is running on Intel 440ix chipset with 350 Mhz (Pentium II) and 128 Mb ram ;P
[11:14] <Maybelline> g1: what laptop?
[11:14] <g1> TP X20
[11:15] <markku> hmm
[11:16] <markku> I need help with install part: Manual partition setting --> How to specify a partition for the root file system (so i can get 9 GB of ext3, 10GB Fat32 and 1G Swap
[11:17] <Maybelline> g1: have you tried hibernate vs. suspend?
[11:18] <g1> I actually Hibernate, I don't suspend
[11:20] <lysergide> markku when u istall theres manual partiton manager
[11:20] <markku> you mean that window?
[11:20] <Maybelline> !bug 80893 > g1
[11:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 80893 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[Feisty]  Inaudible audio upon resuming from suspend-to-disk" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80893
[11:21] <lysergide> markku hm ?
[11:21] <Maybelline> g1: looks like some people have better luck with suspend rather than hibernate, and some people found a new kernel that fixes the issue
[11:21] <markku> well i didn't get how to specify a partion for root file system... it says about i have to specify root file system
[11:21] <markku> i wonder how to do that lol
[11:21] <lysergide> marrku go to the partiton u want to do as root , ENTER and then choose "/"
[11:23] <markku> hmm
[11:23] <markku> guess i will do it soon
[11:23] <markku> i was thinking to make this as server computer or download computer
[11:23] <lysergide> markku well , when i dont have it infront of me cant xplain it very well , sry dude
[11:23] <shirish> guys I don't know if this problem is known or not, but if I go through Applications > Settings > Screensaver Settings it gives me an error saying "XFCE settings manager error: No such plugin" any ideas anybody?
[11:23] <shirish> while I can do xscreensaver or xscreensaver-demo without an issue
[11:24] <markku> so i need fat32 file type for windows so i can tranfer files to my other computer
[11:24] <shirish> has this issue been reported or no?
[11:24] <g1> how do I see what am I running? which versions
[11:24] <lysergide> markku nope
[11:24] <markku> hmm
[11:24] <markku> Shirish second i try that too
[11:24] <lysergide> marrku w8 a sec
[11:25] <shirish> markku: sure, if you also get it then either I or you whoever can report it while the other one can subscribe to it
[11:25] <markku> i don't get error
[11:25] <Maybelline> shirish: what happens when you do alt-f2, xscreensaver-demo
[11:25] <markku> it opens it nice and smoothly
[11:25] <shirish> either by terminal or alt+f2 it opens nice & easy
[11:26] <shirish> I mean by going through the Applications > Settings > Screensaver Settings I get this error
[11:26] <Maybelline> shirish: sorry, mine works both ways
[11:26] <shirish> I have installed xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu 7.04
[11:26] <markku> omg
[11:27] <markku> not wise to put circuit screensaver on sucky computer lol
[11:27] <lysergide> markku u need read/write NTFS and FAT32 Mounter
[11:27] <Maybelline> markku: seconded... lol
[11:27] <shirish> Maybelline: for me that doesn't work & it opens up the settings manager
[11:27] <markku> Lyser
[11:27] <lysergide> markku you can install it with Automatix
[11:28] <markku> i have 2 computers... one is windows computer, one is linux computer without any second operating system
[11:28] <lysergide> markku then why you want to be able to write on FAT32 or NTFS when u aint have another OS on the Linux System
[11:29] <markku> so i need just fat32 file system where i can put windows files and then transfer them to "better" computer without problems
[11:29] <shirish> ok can anybody guide me in xscreensaver-demo > Advanced tab there are 3 options for display when power management is enabled Standby , Suspend & Off can anybody give me the difference between them?
[11:29] <Maybelline> shirish: it doesn't work through the settings manager, but works from terminal, right?
[11:29] <markku> want know?
[11:30] <lysergide> markku hmm can't get your idea mate :X
[11:30] <shirish> Maybelline: it actually is not listed in the settings manager
[11:30] <markku> standby : computer is standby but user is not making any action and os turns off screen
[11:30] <markku> Lyser hehe it is bit complicated...
[11:30] <Maybelline> shirish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_Display_Power_Management_Signaling
[11:30] <markku> lets say this linux computer is just download computer
[11:31] <markku> and windows computer is entertaiment computer
[11:31] <shirish> Maybelline: its listed as Settings with a menu where all are given, lemme give a screenshot
[11:31] <lysergide> markku then just connect the 2 PC's and copy/paste from Linux to Windows
[11:32] <markku> yup
[11:32] <Maybelline> markku: or samba or ftp
[11:32] <markku> but windows can't read ext3 file system
[11:32] <lysergide> markku u don't need FAT32 partition to do that ...
[11:32] <markku> oh there is better way to do it?
[11:32] <lysergide> markku the windows doesnt need to read em
[11:36] <shirish> Maybelline: ok this is what it looks like http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6632/settingsmanager1hs7.png
[11:36] <shirish> guys does the settings should look like that?
[11:37] <Maybelline> shirish: mine looks just like that, and it works fine
[11:37] <shirish> Applications > Settings > Screensaver settings in the drop-down list
[11:38] <Maybelline> shirish: what is the bandwidth monitor you have running, by the way?
[11:38] <shirish> its gnome-based, hang on
[11:39] <shirish> its called netspeed
[11:39] <shirish> http://www.wh-hms.uni-ulm.de/~mfcn/netspeed/
[11:40] <shirish> ok I get this error http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9083/xfcemcsmanagersm6.png
[11:40] <Maybelline> shirish: have you tried a reinstall of xscreensaver?
[11:41] <shirish> nope, perhaps I should
[11:41] <shirish> another thing do u guys know of something called lokkit? what is it? because I'm not able to get anything out of it
[11:42] <Maybelline> shirish: nope, sorry
[11:44] <lysergide> shirish http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/custom-guide/s1-basic-firewall-gnomelokkit.html
[11:45] <markku> Maybelline
[11:45] <markku> you meaned tar.gz ending files?
[11:45] <markku> source code ones
[11:45] <Maybelline> markku: sorry, what do you mean?
[11:46] <markku> Ktorrent install file lol
[11:46] <lysergide> shirish http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/lokkit.htm
[11:46] <Maybelline> markku: why are you trying to install from source, and not using the one in Synaptic?
[11:47] <markku> hmmm np
[11:48] <markku> now i got why it didn't work
[11:48] <lysergide> shirish http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/lokkit
[11:49] <shirish> lysergide: I did aptitude show lokkit & it shows what it is, also running it as sudo lokkit tells me what is there
[11:49] <lysergide> shirish sry i just found you info at the net , i haven't use this so can't rly tell you.
[11:50] <shirish> lysergide: I am grateful, no doubt its actually in the repo & gets installed with xubuntu I guess but by default it doesn't do anything
[11:51] <lysergide> shirish theres a lot of info and as far as i saw , u shoud answer few question asked by the programa and it will build personal firewall for u
[11:51] <lysergide> http://google.com
[11:53] <shirish> lysergide: i know that, what i mean I get an error like this
[11:53] <shirish> http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9083/xfcemcsmanagersm6.png
[11:54] <shirish> this is when I try to access it via the Applications > System > Lokkit also there doesn't seem to be an icon associated with it
[11:55] <lysergide> shirish re-install it
[11:55] <shirish> ok
[11:58] <shirish> lysergide: did a reinstall no effect
[11:59] <lysergide> shirish search for some FAQ in google mate , cant help you sry
[12:01] <g1> is anyone able to use the xkb-plugin ? or how do u switch keyboards ?
[12:02] <cjae> so if I recompile my kernel it won't be updated via apt-get right??
[12:02] <vidd_laptop> cjae, thats right
[12:03] <cjae> what about before the generic kernel thing??
[12:03] <cjae> vidd_laptop,
[12:03] <vidd_laptop> if you make a custom kernel, it will NEVER be updated via apt-get
[12:04] <cjae> vidd_laptop, thanx
[12:08] <cjae> I need to try and recover video of an udf (I believe) written disc it was wrote by a hitachi cam dvd ram there was stuff on it windows (isobuster) but I forgot to recover it before I erased windows
[12:08] <cjae> what can I do/use to recover these .vobs I believe
[12:09] <cjae> the dvd is -r mini disc
[12:09] <vidd_laptop> did you FORMAT the drive?
[12:09] <cjae> the camera was stolen
[12:10] <cjae> but the disc remains but would not play in normal media players let alone app designed for camera
[12:10] <Sergo> hello
[12:10] <vidd_laptop> sorry cjae no ideas
[12:11] <cjae> Isobuster had a recover thing that found .vobs
[12:11] <Sergo> how to connect to computer that are in local area connection ?
[12:11] <cjae> but I forgot to do it
[12:11] <Sergo> like \\172.16.1.1
[12:11] <Sergo> on win
[12:11] <phibxr> Sergo, smbclient?
[12:11] <vidd_laptop> Sergo, connect using what?
[12:11] <cjae> thanks anyway vidd_laptop
[12:11] <cjae> anyine else
[12:12] <Sergo> phibxr: with smbclient?
[12:12] <cjae> anyone
[12:12] <Sergo> i'l try
[12:12] <Sergo> but isn't there any utility that permit to connect with an Gui program?
[12:12] <Sergo> to local computer
[12:12] <Sergo> vidd_laptop: i don't know
[12:13] <phibxr> Sergo, if you mean 'connect' like in 'connect to a windows computer using sambia' smbclient should do it. i'm pretty sure someone should have worked out a gui for it after all these years. haven't been using it in years, so i don't know about that.
[12:13] <Sergo> connect using my pc
[12:13] <vidd_laptop> are you trying to share files?
[12:13] <phibxr> s/sambia/samba
[12:13] <Sergo> no, i'm trying to access shared files on local computer
[12:13] <vidd_laptop> remote login?
[12:14] <phibxr> Sergo, "jags - Just Another GTK+ Samba Client" could do it, maybe.
[12:14] <Sergo> there is no login requet
[12:14] <vidd_laptop> Sergo, you CAN do a remote login to your linux box from a windows machine....
[12:14] <Sergo> jags
[12:14] <Sergo> ok
[12:14] <Sergo> thanks
[12:15] <vidd_laptop> but what you want[i think]  is to access a file share on your linux box from your windows machine?
[12:15] <shirish> guys lokkit is installed by default with xubuntu right?
[12:15] <Sergo> no, i want to access a windos machine using xubuntu
[12:16] <vidd_laptop> so i have it backwards....
[12:16] <vidd_laptop> samba client is definantly what ya need Sergo
[12:17] <Sergo> vidd_laptop probaly but i never had useed smbclient
[12:17] <vidd_laptop> me iether
[12:18] <Sergo> only some gui programs that allows to access windows machine
[12:18] <Sergo> =] 
[12:18] <Sergo> i'l try to use with smbclinet, hope i'l understand it
[12:18] <vidd_laptop> so use what you know
[12:18] <vidd_laptop> if it works on other linux distros, it will work on xubuntu
[12:19] <vidd_laptop> they were most likely smbclient front ends anyway
[12:23] <portulini> Hi all... I need some help getting my connection at xubuntu to work properly... who could help me?
[12:24] <vidd_laptop> what kind of connection?
[12:24] <portulini> ADSL. I can open google, but nothing else
[12:25] <portulini> I can search on google, even, but can't open the results...
[12:25] <vidd_laptop> do you connect via a router...or is the box plugged right into the modem?
[12:25] <portulini> right into the modem, and from the modem to my ethernet card
[12:26] <vidd_laptop> you have verizon dsl?
[12:26] <portulini> Nope, not from the US