[03:43] <SimonAnibal> Hey, is there a problem with the Edubuntu installer CD?
[03:43] <SimonAnibal> Feisty, that is
[03:43] <SimonAnibal> For some reason it keep dying on me halfway through the install process
[03:43] <SimonAnibal> :-(
[03:44] <SimonAnibal> It keeps dying on me during the "Select and install software" phase
[03:44] <bimberi> SimonAnibal: It could be a bad CD, a bad burn or a bad ISO that it was burnt from
[03:44] <bimberi> !verify
[03:44] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[03:45] <SimonAnibal> It's a shipit CD is why I'm skeptical, but I'll run the MD5 test
[03:46] <SimonAnibal> I could install the standard Ubuntu on this same machine, so I don't think it's a hardware issue (like a faulty CD drive or something)
[03:47] <bimberi> hmmk, i haven't tried one of my shipit CDs yet.  Bad CDs/batches have been known.  I think there's a verify CD option in the boot menu too
[03:47] <SimonAnibal> bimberi, 40% as I hit enter
[03:51] <SimonAnibal> Hmmm, the CD-ROM integrity test was successful. The CD-ROM is valid.
[03:51] <SimonAnibal> Maybe I should try again without a network cable plugged in...
[03:52] <SimonAnibal> though that shouldn't matter
[03:52] <SimonAnibal> I'm trying to build an Edubuntu stand-alone workstation box for a couple of my nieces
[03:52] <SimonAnibal> Maybe I should just re-install vanilla Ubuntu and "aptitude install edubuntu-desktop"
[03:53] <SimonAnibal> It's weird that the Ubiquity installer would succeed where the ncurse based Debian Installer chokes
[03:54] <SimonAnibal> bimberi, thanks for being a sounding board
[03:57] <bimberi> SimonAnibal: sorry, i was a bit of an absent one, i had to step away for a bit :)
[03:58] <bimberi> vanilla ubuntu + edubuntu-desktop would be fine.  I'm not sure if it switches to the Edubuntu artwork though
[03:59] <SimonAnibal> I'm giving the ncurses installer one more chance without being plugged into the network
[03:59] <SimonAnibal> I'm wondering if it got hung up trying to connect to the Ubuntu serves
[03:59] <SimonAnibal> though why, god only knows
[04:00] <SimonAnibal> or, more precisely, why is one thing I haven't tried to answer
[04:02] <bimberi> i think if it gets an internet connection it will grap updated packages during the install
[04:03] <SimonAnibal> We'll see if it matters, it's about to mess up or not...
[04:03] <bimberi> *grab
[04:03] <bimberi> k
[04:04] <SimonAnibal> well, if it is about to mess up, it's going to be messing up later in the process than it did WITH a network connection
[04:07] <SimonAnibal> Hmmm, well, it seems stuck at 6% saying "Please wait...", I think I'll be optimistic and believe it's the same issue that plagues the Ubuntu Server install and just give it some time to work through whatever it needs to work through
[04:08] <SimonAnibal> ACK! *Insert Shocking Expletive Here*
[04:09] <bimberi> !ohmy
[04:09] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:09] <bimberi> just kidding :P
[04:09] <SimonAnibal> An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Select and install software
[04:09] <bimberi> :/
[04:10] <SimonAnibal> Well, hmmm, this time it's letting me go ahead and install GRUB to the MBR, maybe I have a "working enough" system...
[04:11] <SimonAnibal> Though I must say: If I weren't well versed in Ubuntu. I would have given up hours ago
[04:11] <bimberi> well yes, if it boots ok and you can get it on the 'net then you can finish the install by installing edubuntu-desktop
[04:12] <bimberi> SimonAnibal: indeed, what you're experiencing is definitely not desirable
[04:12] <SimonAnibal> yeah, I seem to have a CLI only install, I'll plug myself into the net and sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop and see if that helps
[04:13] <bimberi> kk, you might have to disable the CD repository and enable the internet ones
[04:15] <SimonAnibal> yeah...I had to manually dhclient
[04:15] <SimonAnibal> but, umm, I have no nano to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:16] <bronze> SimonAnibal: you probably still have vi.
[04:16] <bronze> also ed, and ex, and sed.
[04:16] <SimonAnibal> You're right
[04:17] <SimonAnibal> I was fixin' to echo "line" >> /etc/apt/source.list *lol*
[04:17] <bronze> that works fine too. :-)
[04:17] <bronze> thats classic *NIX shell work.
[04:18] <SimonAnibal> Is my geek showing?
[04:18] <bimberi> vi ?
[04:19] <SimonAnibal> is it deb http://archive.us.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe ??
[04:19] <bronze> bimberi: vi is the screen editor for *NIX/Linux.  (also emacs but we wont mention that)
[04:20] <bimberi> thanks bronze, it was actually a shortcut question as to whether SimonAnibal could use vi in the absense of nano
[04:20] <bimberi> SimonAnibal: no
[04:20] <bronze> heh
[04:20] <bronze> sry. :)
[04:21] <bimberi> SimonAnibal: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted
[04:21] <bimberi> bronze: np :)
[04:21] <SimonAnibal> bimberi, I've been school in some white-belt vi (that is, hit i to type, hit Esc+:+qw to save and get back to cli)
[04:21] <bimberi> cool
[04:22] <bimberi> just think - if the CD was good you would never have needed to learn that :)
[04:23] <bimberi> s/needed to learn/learnt/
[04:23] <bimberi> (much more positive)
[04:23] <SimonAnibal> *lol* I had to learn that to work on Ubuntu Servers at the school I work at
[04:23] <SimonAnibal> It just turned out to be quite useful here as well
[04:23] <bimberi> ah, kk :)
[04:24] <SimonAnibal> though, honestly, I'd probably been more skilled with echos and append pipes
[04:24] <SimonAnibal> goodnight
[04:24] <bimberi> nn
[08:04] <harriet> I've been playing with my new install of edubuntu and the Applications/Education packages seem to have drifted off into hyperspace.  Could anyone tell me how I can replace them?
[08:05] <bimberi> harriet: install the package "edubuntu-desktop"
[08:06] <LaserJock> harriet: is that a 7.04 install?
[08:13] <harriet> Yes, it's the 7.04
[08:13] <LaserJock> you'll want to get the Server Addon CD
[08:14] <bimberi> harriet: was it the LiveCD?
[08:14] <bimberi> s/was/is/
[08:14] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113719 in ubiquity "Edubuntu Feisty Desktop CD install doesn't install the education suite" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113719
[08:15] <LaserJock> could be
[08:15] <harriet> Synaptic tells me (with a green splodge) that I already have the edubuntu-desktop installed!!
[08:15] <LaserJock> you probably do
[08:15] <harriet> No, not a live CD.  I did the install to the HDD
[08:16] <LaserJock> from the Desktop CD or Server CD?
[08:16] <harriet> Installed from the live CD Desktop
[08:16] <LaserJock> ok, then it probably is bug 113719
[08:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113719 in ubiquity "Edubuntu Feisty Desktop CD install doesn't install the education suite" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113719
[08:18] <harriet> the link describes the bug but doesn't seem to offer a workaround.
[08:18] <LaserJock> well, using the Server Addon CD should work
[08:18] <harriet> OK.  I'll burn the server CD but what do I do with that?
[08:19] <LaserJock> just burn the Server Addon CD
[08:19] <LaserJock> then put it in and dialog should pop up
[08:19] <LaserJock> * a dialog
[08:20] <harriet> OK I'll give it a go.  Thanks V much.
[08:20] <harriet> Before I do that though, is there any point in telling Synaptic to remove and then re-install the package?
[08:20] <LaserJock> you could also install the individual apps via net
[08:21] <LaserJock> no, edubuntu-desktop no long depends on those packages I don't think
[08:21] <LaserJock> well, actually let me check
[08:21] <harriet> Longins list of incividual apps, and I can't remember what they were/are.  Looking for the simple/dirty way to get it working.
[08:23] <LaserJock> nope, edubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on edu stuff
[08:24] <LaserJock> do you know what you want to install?
[08:25] <harriet> Just the grab-bag that was showing with the live CD
[08:25] <LaserJock> hmm, unfortunately that's not straightfoward right now :/
[08:26] <LaserJock> the addon cd is about as good as I can think of right now
[08:26] <LaserJock> but it still requires a bit of choosing
[08:35] <bimberi> I've been browsing packages.ubuntu.com and yes, edubuntu-desktop no longer depends on those packages
[08:36] <bimberi> harriet: my apologies for that bad advice
[08:37] <bimberi> perhaps an "edubuntu-live" metapackage should be controlling what ubiquity installs
[08:38] <LaserJock> well, it's a bit complicated
[08:39] <bimberi> fair enough
[08:40] <LaserJock> but perhaps something like that might be the answer though
[08:40] <LaserJock> more likely would be removing ubiquity from the Desktop CD ;-)
[08:40] <bimberi> lol
[08:41] <LaserJock> well, we did discuss it
[08:42] <LaserJock> the livecd is getting more and more different from the server cd
[08:46] <bimberi> erk, time to go.  bye for now
[08:47] <LaserJock> cy
[08:47] <harriet> One thought.  Is it likely that the packages are on the computer but not showing in the Applications/Education menu?  How would I check this?
[08:47] <LaserJock> it's quite unlikely
[08:47] <LaserJock> but if you right click on "Applications" you can edit the menu
[08:49] <harriet> Thanks.  I don't want to do that 'by hand'.
[08:49] <LaserJock> but it's a known issue with the LiveCD
[08:50] <LaserJock> so I'm pretty sure you're just missing the apps
[08:58] <harriet> Using Applications/Add-remove I have been able to put some of them back and that will be OK until I get round to burning the server CD.
[08:58] <harriet> Thanks heaps for pointing me in a good ditection.
[08:59] <LaserJock> no problem
[08:59] <harriet> TTFN
[08:59] <LaserJock> sorry about that
[08:59] <LaserJock> we weren't able to fix it before release
[09:00] <harriet> While I'm on here, any idea of whether Beryl could be integrated in a (soon) future release of edubuntu?
[09:04] <LaserJock> it's already available in 7.04
[09:05] <harriet> Do I just type beryl-manager?
[09:05] <LaserJock> well, there is a new Desktop Effects gui
[09:06] <LaserJock> in System->Preferences
[09:06] <LaserJock> I *think* that turns on compiz
[09:06] <LaserJock> but I'm pretty sure beryl is available as well
[09:09] <harriet> Thanks again, LaserJock.  Catch you again soon...
[09:13] <RichEd> greetz
[09:14] <LaserJock> ah RichEd
[09:15] <RichEd> hello LaserJock
[09:15] <RichEd> LaserJock: can you give me a short update on the dynamic menu status ... is there any chance we can get it into gutsy ?
[09:17] <LaserJock> RichEd: yes, I think it's certainly possible
[09:18] <LaserJock> I was sort of waiting on some of the network-auth stuff
[09:18] <LaserJock> as it's related to user management, IMO
[09:18] <RichEd> LaserJock: so who do I need to poke with a sharp stick to get things moving to help you get things done
[09:18] <LaserJock> RichEd: I just sent an email to edubuntu-devel
[09:19] <RichEd> LaserJock: okie ... let me know if i can help
[09:20] <RichEd> The way I see it is that the next 6 months will see a huge amount of serious interest in Ubuntu and Edubuntu for wider scale education deployment ... and that we need to have a plan for a complete solution. I see the menus as being part of that requirement.
[09:21] <RichEd> So if I can help in any way, give me a direct nudge please.
[09:22] <LaserJock> well, some of it's me getting projects pruned
[09:22] <LaserJock> so I can focus my time on Edubuntu
[09:22] <LaserJock> because it's really pretty close
[09:23] <LaserJock> I essentially just need a GUI to pull the pieces together
[11:37] <RichEd> hi t94xr ... played with any FLOSS from the catalogue yet ?
[11:51] <zzsputnik> hello!when i run DVB-T with Kaffeine it stalls really bad and there is no sound. what can do?
[12:22] <faf_dk> hi.. I'm trying to make a edubuntu install usb, anyone have a link to a tutorial? plz
[12:22] <faf_dk> I had followed this: http://www.edoceo.com/liber/ubuntu-live-usb.php - but it's outdated
[12:22] <faf_dk> no casper or disctree
[12:23] <faf_dk> Would like to use extlinux if possible
[01:07] <faf_dk> ok.. i'm gonna build a portable pxe install server on my labtop...
[01:42] <willvdl> moquist, eeek, I'm an apostrophe fiend! :)
[01:44] <moquist> willvdl: heh :)
[01:45] <moquist> ogra: does the 'gtk' greeter fall under the overall 'ldm' project?
[01:45] <willvdl> I wanted to join the apostrophe protection agency a while back. can't seem to find the url at the mo...
[01:46] <moquist> willvdl: I totally know what you 'mean'.
[01:46] <moquist> Oh, in pairs they're not apostrophes anymore, are they. Hmm. My abuse attempt has failed.
[01:46] <willvdl> m'oquist: yeah
[01:46] <moquist> willvdl wins
[01:47] <moquist> Though if that's in reference to jammcq's contention that I'm Irish, it should be "mo'quist".
[01:48] <moquist> willvdl: I don't really have any substantial comments about the spec ATM, but I'm thrilled it's being pursued.
[01:48] <moquist> Just FYI.
[01:50] <willvdl> well, it's a mondo important one
[01:52] <moquist> ogra: I'd be happy to do some testing of your C ldm implementation if it's ready for testing.
[02:03] <savetheWorld> Encourage everyone to conserve apostrophes.  Use them only where theyre needed.  Example - contractions work perfectly well without 'em
[02:03] <savetheWorld> (member of the apostrophe conservation league)
[02:12] <willvdl> http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/
[02:14] <happywithed> hello everyone
[02:16] <happywithed> I finally got my edubuntu classroom up and running, but would like some help with other configuration stuff
[02:17] <happywithed> For instance, is it possible to take the NFS out of the Edubuntu server and share it with other non-linux machines?
[02:18] <savetheWorld> happywithed: You mean share files with other machines by using NFS?
[02:18] <happywithed> Yes, any ideas how to do that?
[02:19] <savetheWorld> happywithed: what kinds of machines are those other machines? Windows perhaps?......... :-)
[02:19] <happywithed> I have 6 other machines running on the same internet connection,  1 mac, 2 vistas, 2 xps and 1 win2000
[02:20] <savetheWorld> and?
[02:20] <happywithed> right now I forked the internet connection through a router, with one cable going to my edubuntu server and the other going to a router serving the other machines
[02:21] <savetheWorld> thats one router too many.
[02:21] <happywithed> I was hoping you would say that!
[02:21] <savetheWorld> Internet-->router-->LAN(hub or switch)--[many machines] 
[02:22] <savetheWorld> but what has that to do with sharing files via NGFS?>
[02:22] <savetheWorld> *NFS
[02:22] <happywithed> I take that back. Actually it is more like:
[02:22] <happywithed> --internet-switch-(edubuntu router)
[02:23] <happywithed> the edubuntu connects to the thin clients and the router to the other 6 machines
[02:24] <savetheWorld> happywithed: I assume there is a hub or switrch between the edubuntu machine and the 6 other machines?
[02:24] <happywithed> so, from the internet to the switch, from the switch it forks to the router and the edubuntu server
[02:24] <happywithed> no, right now they are not connected, because the edubuntu server does not give ip addresses to the other machines when connected
[02:24] <happywithed> it only serves the thin clients
[02:25] <savetheWorld> happywithed: somehow that makes no sense.  How many NICS are in your edubuntu router/server
[02:25] <happywithed> I tried it and had to place the other 6 machines on a separate router for that reason
[02:25] <happywithed> the edubuntu server has 2 nics
[02:26] <happywithed> I'll draw a diagram in the pastebin, wait
[02:35] <happywithed> Here is the diagram http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21271/
[02:35] <happywithed> I was wrong.  I looked at the wrong notes before, so I went to the right diagram this time
[02:37] <happywithed> What I would like to do is to have a single location to save the files for the students.  The issue is really twofold.
[02:38] <savetheWorld> what kind  of device is the thing labeled "Router"
[02:38] <happywithed> I would like the students to have a single log in account.  Right now they have 7, one for the thin clients and one each for the other 6 machines.
[02:38] <happywithed> The router is a Lynksys Broadband router with wireless access.
[02:39] <happywithed> The other issue is to have have a single location for the files.  Right now they have a home directory in the edubuntu server and a home directory in each of the other 6 machines.
[02:39] <happywithed> Thus my mention of the NFS
[02:40] <savetheWorld> that arrangement is forcing all your traffic between the thin clients and the 6 "other" to go through the edubuntu server., possibly that may cause issues.  I would rather see the 6 "other" on the same switch as the the thin clients if you are going to do file sharing between them.
[02:40] <savetheWorld> The DHCP issue is definitely resolvable.
[02:41] <savetheWorld> single login should be done by using LDAP for authorization across all the system, served by the edudbuntu server.
[02:41] <happywithed> Yes, I would also like to have the same switch, but when I did that I lost the internet connection for the 6 other machines
[02:41] <savetheWorld> also resovable.
[02:41] <savetheWorld> *resolvable
[02:42] <happywithed> OK, where do I start?
[02:42] <savetheWorld> and as for file sharing taht can be done via either NFS or SAMBA(CIFS)
[02:42] <happywithed> Question.
[02:43] <happywithed> Aren't the edubuntu server and the 6 other machines on separate networks?
[02:43] <savetheWorld> Well, I have to run, but in #ltsp are many experts who can help you, and by shhowing them your diagram you will earn some instant respect from them becauee you are providing good information up front
[02:43] <savetheWorld> no - they are on seperate network segments
[02:43] <savetheWorld> also - they don't have to be.
[02:43] <savetheWorld> they can be on the same segment
[02:43] <happywithed> Since the edubuntu server has its own dhcp and so does the router, I thought they would be on separate networks
[02:44] <savetheWorld> "seperate sub-nets" would be the correct term
[02:44] <happywithed> Yes, I would like them to be on the same network and segment
[02:44] <savetheWorld> still just one network.
[02:44] <happywithed> *subnets
[02:44] <SimonAnibal> happywithed, the edubuntu server can be a dhcp client on one network interface and dhcp server on the other
[02:44] <savetheWorld> SimonAnibal: that is the current situation.
[02:45] <happywithed> yes that's right
[02:45] <SimonAnibal> ah, well, then the edubuntu server is on two networks, and the windows boxes and the thin clients are on different networks
[02:45] <happywithed> subnets, you mean?
[02:45] <SimonAnibal> *shrug* :-) I don't know the vocab
[02:46] <savetheWorld> happywithed: The LTSP folks can advise on the LDAP stuff and setting up the edubuntu server to do DHCP for the "other" and etc..
[02:46] <savetheWorld> I have to go.
[02:46] <savetheWorld>  BBL
[02:46] <SimonAnibal> Later!
[02:46] <happywithed> is there a LTSP channel?
[02:46] <SimonAnibal> happywithed, did you used to be frustratedwithed?
[02:46] <happywithed> yes
[02:46] <SimonAnibal> yeah, #ltsp
[02:47] <SimonAnibal> happywithed, heheh, well, I'm happy to see your nick change in that way
[02:47] <happywithed> ok, thanks I'll try there, then
[02:47] <happywithed> Yes, me too.  I was really frustrated, but now things are working so I am very happy ;-)
[02:53] <SimonAnibal> mount
[03:21] <mcsd> do all linux distros reference the same kernel?
[03:23] <moquist> mcsd: there is one kernel, compiled with many differing sets of patches and modules.
[03:23] <moquist> mcsd: So th answer is "yes and no".
[03:49] <mcsd> is there a web page that describes all possible boot options...I haven't come across one yet
[03:49] <mcsd> or at least I do not know how to phrase it
[03:56] <willvdl> have you checked through the help.u.c wiki?
[03:56] <moquist> mcsd: I don't think you're going to find a single source with all the info you're looking for. It would help if you could describe which options you're interested in; i.e., what are you trying to do?
[04:06] <mcsd> well my immediate problem is that my SATA drive on a Optiplex 320 does not detect unless I use 'pci=nomsi' it seems to plague a lot of Dells
[04:09] <mcsd> I found that option as a suggestion...it works but I would like to learn all the options if possible
[05:05] <SimonAnibal> So, is the Edubuntu CD that comes through shipit a SERVER CD?
[05:06] <SimonAnibal> That wouldn't explain the weird problems I had last night that ended up with a base command-line only install from which I had to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop
[05:44] <nealmcb> A colleague of mine just started the page https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Lessons  to support his presentation to https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TIEColorado   Any input would be MOST welcome!
[06:04] <RichEd> nealmcb: tellhim to look at: http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/
[06:19] <happywithed> hello
[06:20] <happywithed> Anyone had any experience with using edubuntu to authenticate users through an external ldap server?
[06:20] <happywithed> I would like to setup an ldap server at my school so that not only the edubuntu thin clients, but also other machines can authenticate to a single ldap server
[06:21] <happywithed> Has anyone attempted this?  Are there any docs?
[06:23] <happywithed> I found the answer to my question above here: http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/
[06:24] <happywithed> It seems that moquist did this.  I bow to moquist!!!
[06:30] <nealmcb> RichEd: thanks - I'll check it out
[06:36] <nealmcb> RichEd: on the https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Lessons site, Jim is looking for lessons tailored to free software, as a way to pitch edubuntu to the K-12 conference he is speaking at.   The OU looks like more generic lessons for a university audience.
[06:38] <nealmcb> So again, if anyone knows of lesson plans for teachers that leverage and show off free software that ships with edubuntu, please let https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JimHutchinson know
[06:39] <nealmcb> I pointed the various edubuntu mailing lists out to him - hopefully he's asked there also
[06:48] <cbx33> ping ogra
[07:22] <moquist> happywithed: yep, the smbldap-installer is my fault.
[07:22] <moquist> happywithed: How is your network doing now?
[07:22] <happywithed> hi moquist
[07:23] <happywithed> It is going great!!!
[07:23] <moquist> happywithed: And yes, I administer two school networks (120 & 2000 users, respectively) where we run Samba backed by OpenLDAP. It's not the best solution, but it's hardly the worst.
[07:23] <moquist> happywithed: Great! I'm glad to hear that.
[07:23] <happywithed> I am now able to connect all my wintels and mactels to my ltsp thin clients, an hp color printer and a legacy ricoh laser printer
[07:24] <happywithed> It is looking good,
[07:24] <moquist> happywithed: I continue to harbor aspirations of packaging the smbldap-configure part of the smbldap-installer for Ubuntu.
[07:24] <Burgundavia> moquist: do you run pure Linux?
[07:24] <moquist> happywithed: Are you running Edubntu Feisty?
[07:25] <happywithed> I was just reading about it in your wiki and also the Samba3 by example book you recommended
[07:25] <happywithed> yes, it is feisty
[07:25] <moquist> Burgundavia: We have ~400 TCs, 2 Edubuntu servers, and ~320 Windows XP clients.
[07:25] <Burgundavia> ahh
[07:25] <moquist> happywithed: Samba3 by example is great.
[07:26] <moquist> happywithed: I haven't personally tested the smbldap-installer on Feisty, but a couple people independently sent me the same patch, so I applied it and re-released. I hope it works for you (if you choose to use it). :-p
[07:26] <happywithed> I am now conspiring, oops, planning to configure a dedicated ldap server for all my boxes to authenticate from
[07:27] <happywithed> I would love to try, but I am still edubuntating, oops, educating myself
[07:27] <Burgundavia> if you only have linux machines, openldap works great
[07:27] <moquist> happywithed: I should warn you that samba has recently incorporated better ldapsam support directly into their project, rendering the smbldap-tools project (which the smbldap-installer installs and configures) obsolete. I'm not yet sure what impact, if any, upgrading to the improved samba and ceasing use of the smbldap-tools will have.
[07:28] <moquist> This is all on my list of things to get to and figure out Real Soon(TM).
[07:28] <happywithed> I short, do you think it is possible to have a dedicated ldap server for all the thin clients and xtels boxes to authenticate from?
[07:28] <happywithed> With either the new samba or your script?
[07:29] <moquist> happywithed: In each of those two schools I mentioned, we have one authentication server running Ubuntu Dapper, and using the smbldap-tools to administer samba with an OpenLDAP backend. So yes, it is possible.
[07:30] <moquist> happywithed: And the newer ldapsam support in samba does the same thing (AFAIU), just without the separate set of tools.
[07:30] <happywithed> great!
[07:30] <happywithed> I'll read some more and try it.
[07:30] <moquist> happywithed: If you have to do this right now, I would recommend the smbldap-installer as being the easiest road forward.
[07:30] <happywithed> Your previous help was really good and got me right to where I wanted to be, so you have gained my respect
[07:30] <moquist> If you're just doing this to learn, then that's probably the way to go (with "Samba3 By Example" close at hand).
[07:31] <moquist> happywithed: Heh; glad to hear it. You've gotten your network working, so you have mine. :)
[07:31] <happywithed> I think I'll go that way for now
[07:31] <moquist> I've got to run and take care of some other business now, so cheerio and good luck!
[07:32] <happywithed> Thanks, once more
[07:32] <moquist> np
[07:32] <LaserJock> morning all
[07:32] <moquist> LaserJock: is your nick a reference to your academic work?
[07:32] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:32] <moquist> cool
[07:32] <LaserJock> there is a laser company that has these cool Laser Jock stickers
[07:33] <LaserJock> there was one on one of the first machines I used in the lab
[07:35] <Burgundavia> hey LaserJock
[07:37] <moquist> LaserJock: as soon as I'm done catching up after getting back home, I'm planning to get back to moodle 1.8 packaging. So expect me to bug you soon, and feel free to bug me if I don't. :)
[07:37] <LaserJock> hola Burgundavia
[07:37] <LaserJock> moquist: excellent
[07:37] <LaserJock> cbx33: pingy pingy
[07:43] <highvoltage> 'ola LaserJock
[07:43] <LaserJock> highvoltage!
[07:45] <mcsd> can someone help me to edit grub boot?
[07:45] <mcsd> first line is "root  (hd0,0)
[07:45] <highvoltage> mcsd: what do you need to do?
[07:45] <mcsd> http://www.webservertalk.com/archive291-2007-3-1764782.html
[07:46] <mcsd> can you look at the last entry in that forum
[07:46] <mcsd> apparently dell's are plagued with SATA controller problems
[07:47] <mcsd> in case you don't want to link to that page I will list the steps ...they are short
[07:47] <mcsd> 1) Doing installl of debian
[07:47] <mcsd> 2) After reboot in the grub menu type e key to edit grub command
[07:47] <mcsd> line for kernel , replace sdb by sda
[07:47] <mcsd> then type b for booting
[07:47] <cbx33> pongypongy
[07:47] <highvoltage> openin now, although I'm on grps so my connection is slow...
[07:47] <mcsd> 3) log as root then edit :
[07:47] <mcsd> /etc/fstab remplace all sdb by sda
[07:48] <mcsd> 4) mount /dev/sda1 /boot (ord other partion if your /boot is not on
[07:48] <mcsd> sda1)
[07:48] <mcsd> edit file /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:48] <mcsd> remplace sdb by sda in the 2 path of vmlinuz
[07:48] <mcsd> 5) reboot
[07:48] <mcsd> All working
[07:48] <mcsd> there you can read it in channel now it should make it easier for you
[07:49] <highvoltage> hmmm... I'm not sure how ubuntu's UUID's in ubuntu's fstab will affect that
[07:51] <mcsd> well currently after a fresh install I hang with just a blinking cursor after the grub 3 second menu timeout
[07:52] <mcsd> I have been working on this for almost a week and Dell is absolutley no help even though they sell this PC as an "open source" model
[07:53] <highvoltage> mcsd: ouch
[07:54] <mcsd> yeah and John A. Hull
[07:54] <mcsd> Manager, Linux OS Development
[07:54] <mcsd> Dell Inc.
[07:54] <mcsd> knows about the problem
[07:54] <mcsd> http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-desktops/2007-January/000148.html
[07:55] <mcsd> and said the fix would be implemented into 2.6.20 but that is the kernel that fiesty 7.04 uses and it still doesn't work
[07:57] <mcsd> so the first line when editing the boot is "root (hd0,0)" should I be changing that to "root (sda,0)" per the instructions?
[07:59] <sbalneav> mcsd: Best bet would be to edit your menu for grub
[08:00] <mcsd> isn't that what I am doing?
[08:00] <sbalneav> ah, sorry, just popped back.
[08:00] <sbalneav> You'll want your kernel line to look like:
[08:00] <mcsd> I press ESC when grub starts and bring up the recovery and standard boot option then I press E
[08:01] <sbalneav> kernel /boot/vmlinuz... root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[08:01] <mcsd> ahhh right now it is set to UUID
[08:01] <sbalneav> Theoretically that should work, however some bios' screw it up.
[08:02] <sbalneav> it's a sata drive?
[08:02] <mcsd> so I should leave the first line as "root (hd0,0)"
[08:02] <sbalneav> yeah
[08:02] <sbalneav> now, you're not booted yet, right?
[08:02] <mcsd> and just change the second line for kernel
[08:02] <mcsd> no
[08:02] <mcsd> I am at the grub menu
[08:02] <sbalneav> ok, then this will be temporary, we'll need to edit the file to fix it permanently after this.
[08:03] <mcsd> ok
[08:03] <mcsd> yeah the instructions make mention of changing fstab
[08:03] <sbalneav> once you get booted, the rest is easy-peasy.
[08:04] <sbalneav> probably won't even need to change fstab.  Once the Linux kernel gets loaded, the UUID designator should work fine.
[08:05] <mcsd> hmmm I deleted the UUID string and replaced with root=/dev/sda1
[08:05] <sbalneav> mcsd: That working for you?
[08:06] <mcsd> but it still hangs blinking cursor black screen
[08:06] <sbalneav> What kind of hard drive is it? Sata?
[08:06] <mcsd> yep
[08:06] <sbalneav> ok, so the sda should be fine then.
[08:07] <mcsd> it is a problem with the ATI sb6000 chipset
[08:07] <sbalneav> hmm
[08:07] <sbalneav> shouldn't be,
[08:07] <sbalneav> workping, be back in about 15 minutes.
[08:07] <mcsd> no still cursor
[08:07] <mcsd> ok
[08:43] <mcsd> sbalneav: when you get back can you please let me know
[09:24] <tristan_> edubuntu is working fine here :)
[09:25] <tristan_> (:
[09:25] <tristan_> but it gave an error though
[09:25] <tristan_> during the installation
[09:25] <tristan_> and it didn't at my normal user
[09:25] <tristan_> and my wireless crap isn't working properly
[09:25] <tristan_> :)
[09:25] <tristan_> I suck
[09:45] <imathrillseeker> hi - i'm after a small word of advice, if I may
[09:46] <imathrillseeker> I've installed ubuntu (dapper) previously on a PIII 800 toshiba laptop.  However, to install it I had to use the "alternate" CD.
[09:47] <imathrillseeker> I tried to install Edubuntu last night and had the same problems as I had with the main ubuntu CDs, so I guess I need an "alternate" CD version of edubuntu - does it exist?
[09:47] <imathrillseeker> Thanks if anyone can help!
[09:54] <LaserJock> imathrillseeker: the Edubuntu Server CD is an alt cd
[09:55] <LaserJock> and the preferred method of installing Edubuntu
[11:21] <humbolto> Is pulseaudio going to replace esd totally in gusty? Gnome project does make the switch, doesn't it? Or already has.