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| Keybuk | I do so hate it when I have no X server ... :-( | 03:47 |
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| crimsun | got bitten by -intel and xorg-server 1.3, too? | 03:48 |
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| Keybuk | yup | 03:48 |
| mjg59 | -intel isn't ready for <915 yet | 03:48 |
| mjg59 | Though I don't think that's Scott's problem | 03:49 |
| Keybuk | I think the lack of an updated -intel driver is likely my problem | 03:51 |
| mjg59 | Also a possibility | 03:52 |
| mjg59 | Did -i810 get updated? | 03:53 |
| Keybuk | no, neither did | 03:53 |
| Keybuk | installing the Debian -intel package seems to fix it | 03:53 |
| Keybuk | yay simple solutions, brb | 03:53 |
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| Keybuk | someone renamed gaim?! | 03:55 |
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| kylem | Keybuk, gaim renamed gaim... | 03:55 |
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| Lathiat__ | gossip ? | 03:58 |
| Keybuk | no, it was supposed to be better than gossip | 03:59 |
| Lathiat__ | ah right | 03:59 |
| Keybuk | ie. not suck | 03:59 |
| Keybuk | since I can't make gossip login to jabber | 03:59 |
| Lathiat__ | well it might one of: gossip, landell, cohoba, gnomeui, empathy, banter | 04:00 |
| Keybuk | empathy sounds right | 04:01 |
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| Keybuk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/daviderosa/491277662/ | 04:35 |
| Keybuk | ^ wow, elmo has a twin brother | 04:35 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 09:33 |
| Treenaks | morning | 09:36 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 09:37 |
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| Mithrandir | morning, Hobbsee | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir! | 09:44 |
| === Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's feet in greeting. | ||
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| stgraber | Mithrandir: I don't remember, was it you who took some notes for the isotesting tracker BoF ? | 09:47 |
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| Mithrandir | stgraber: hm, I don't think I did it, no. I could check, can you remind me tomorrow? (I'm not really here today, it being a public holiday and all) | 09:48 |
| stgraber | Mithrandir: ok :) | 09:48 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: so, if it's a holiday, why are you on irc? | 09:48 |
| stgraber | well, it's for me as well :) | 09:49 |
| Hobbsee | which holiday? | 09:49 |
| Mithrandir | constitution day and ascension day. | 09:49 |
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| Hobbsee | right | 09:50 |
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| Treenaks | morning jono | 09:59 |
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| jono | hey | 10:00 |
| Hobbsee | oh no, it's master duck bacon. | 10:01 |
| Treenaks | Hobbsee: 'duck bacon', how would that work? | 10:01 |
| Hobbsee | Treenaks: master bacon, lover of ducks | 10:01 |
| Treenaks | Hobbsee: ah :) | 10:01 |
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| Spads | turducken | 10:26 |
| Fujitsu | Spads: Sure. | 10:27 |
| Spads | Jono Turducken. | 10:27 |
| Fujitsu | Um, whatever you say. | 10:27 |
| Hobbsee | hiya Spads | 10:27 |
| Spads | howdy, Hobbsee | 10:27 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 10:27 |
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| _StefanS_ | hi there | 11:15 |
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| _StefanS_ | any plans for including networkmanager 0.6.5 in gutsy? | 11:15 |
| Treenaks | is it in Debian? | 11:15 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm dont know where to check ? | 11:15 |
| Treenaks | packages.debian.org? | 11:15 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm, let me check | 11:16 |
| Treenaks | debian unstable has 0.6.4 | 11:16 |
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| _StefanS_ | hmm nope.. | 11:16 |
| Treenaks | _StefanS_: has 0.6.5 been released? | 11:16 |
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| bart | hello everyone | 11:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Treenaks: uhm well, dont know :) - all I know is that the svn has 0.6.5 with leap support in it | 11:17 |
| Treenaks | _StefanS_: leap? | 11:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Treenaks: wireless leap | 11:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Treenaks: cisco's peap implementation | 11:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Treenaks: used very broadly | 11:18 |
| Treenaks | _StefanS_: never heard of it :) | 11:18 |
| _StefanS_ | Treenaks: I know the gnome-applet for network manager does support it in the latest version | 11:18 |
| _StefanS_ | Treenaks: I was going to add support for it in knetworkmanager | 11:18 |
| _StefanS_ | Treenaks: but then i stumbled upon the !=0.6.5 ;) | 11:19 |
| Treenaks | _StefanS_: It's been released since 20-04.. so I guess it's just a matter of time | 11:19 |
| _StefanS_ | Treenaks: do you think it will make it for gutsy? cant remember the debian freeze date | 11:19 |
| Treenaks | though I've heard a lot of people complain about the 'wifi-centric' approach n-m is taking.. completely ignoring things they don't like (pppoe, bluetooth networking) | 11:20 |
| _StefanS_ | Treenaks: well isn't that the common nominator in gnome stuff ? (no pun intended) | 11:20 |
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| _StefanS_ | sad really. | 11:21 |
| Treenaks | _StefanS_: it's not because of the gnome thing... it's really just the upstream authors of n-m | 11:21 |
| _StefanS_ | Treenaks: oh wait, my mistake. It is the freedesktop ppl that is maintaining it | 11:22 |
| _StefanS_ | Treenaks: sorry. | 11:22 |
| _StefanS_ | nevertheless they should broaden themselves a bit. | 11:22 |
| Treenaks | yeah, I agree completely | 11:22 |
| _StefanS_ | hmm well, I might package that 0.6.5 to begin with, it seems like I wont get far without n-m support for LEAP | 11:24 |
| _StefanS_ | gui works though ;) | 11:24 |
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| _StefanS_ | Treenaks: thanks for the help | 11:25 |
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| vciaglia | hi, is there Mozilla-Composer on amd64 ? | 02:12 |
| gnomefreak | vciaglia: for gutsy? | 02:13 |
| vciaglia | gnomefreak: no, feisty | 02:13 |
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| gnomefreak | vciaglia: nope | 02:14 |
| gnomefreak | vciaglia: gutsy will have it named iceape | 02:14 |
| vciaglia | oh, ok | 02:14 |
| vciaglia | thank you | 02:14 |
| gnomefreak | yw | 02:14 |
| gnomefreak | vciaglia: iirc mozilla-suite was removed from feisty and nothing replaced it. and seamonkey/iceape replaces that and has composer with it | 02:15 |
| sn0 | is gutsy going to have iceweasel/icedove a la debian ? | 02:15 |
| gnomefreak | sn0: no firefox and thunderbird | 02:15 |
| gnomefreak | iceape is the only thing we (mozilla-team) took from debian | 02:16 |
| sn0 | i had heard canonical/ubuntu had made a deal with mozilla over the copyright thing recently | 02:16 |
| sn0 | and the reason for that and not the weasel/dove gnomefreak ? | 02:16 |
| sn0 | just so i know :) | 02:16 |
| gnomefreak | yes | 02:16 |
| sn0 | okay :-) | 02:17 |
| gnomefreak | we agreed to the license afaik there might have been some dealing in there but im not sure about that all i know is we agreed to it | 02:17 |
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| gnomefreak | sn0: its being worked on and uploaded today ( i believe for sid.) | 02:18 |
| gnomefreak | the maintainer stated that an hour or 2 ago | 02:19 |
| sn0 | gnomefreak brilliant , i have had the packages.qa.debian.org open for a while now, is there somewhere else that incoming is listed? | 02:19 |
| gnomefreak | sn0: not sure, maybe ftp.debian.org? | 02:20 |
| sn0 | (also waiting patiently on pidgin-otr for i386) | 02:20 |
| Fujitsu | incoming.debian.org, sn0 :P | 02:20 |
| sn0 | ah thanks Fujitsu | 02:20 |
| sn0 | even better than packages.qa :) | 02:21 |
| gnomefreak | ty Fujitsu | 02:21 |
| gnomefreak | packages.debian.org seems a bit old as debian has iceape 1.1.1-3 and it still shows 1.1.1-2 as newest | 02:21 |
| sn0 | it seems experimental does not yet have the newer one, or any | 02:22 |
| Fujitsu | That's always out of date. | 02:22 |
| gnomefreak | sn0: i just assked about icedove if its for sid | 02:23 |
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| sn0 | oh pidgin-otr is in unstable now | 02:25 |
| sn0 | with i386 | 02:25 |
| sn0 | and sid it seems :D | 02:27 |
| sn0 | err unstable/experimental | 02:27 |
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| Tonio__ | hi | 04:10 |
| Tonio__ | I would have a question (needed for a doc) | 04:11 |
| Tonio__ | how is the apt periodic work handled ? | 04:11 |
| Tonio__ | for example how is the daily "update" performed ? is there a daemon running or so ? | 04:11 |
| mdz | Tonio__: via /etc/cron.daily/apt | 04:11 |
| Tonio__ | mdz: thanks | 04:12 |
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| timmay | Is there anyone here working with the Lexmark driver dev kit? I would like to help on getting the X6100 series working. | 04:46 |
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| evand | Does anyone know if the recordings from the UDS VOIP lines are available? | 04:48 |
| shawarma | evand: try in #canonical-sysadmin | 04:52 |
| Ng | evand: they aren't yet, but they should be soon. It'll be announced too. | 04:53 |
| evand | Thanks shawarma and Ng | 04:54 |
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| zul | Ng: eta? | 05:05 |
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| Mithrandir | iwj: you going to be around daytime tomorrow? I'd like to run my dpkg-architecture change for lpia by you so you can bop me over the head if it's too crackful. | 05:11 |
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| iwj | Mithrandir: Sure. | 05:11 |
| Mithrandir | great, thanks. | 05:11 |
| Mithrandir | iwj: just prodding you on IRC works or should we set a time? | 05:12 |
| iwj | Catch me after 1000Z and I should be around with a not wholly unreasonable response time. | 05:12 |
| Mithrandir | ok, good. | 05:12 |
| iwj | Before then I might not yet be caffeinated :-). | 05:12 |
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| timmay | Is there anyone here working with the Lexmark driver dev kit? I would like to help on getting the X6100 series working. | 05:15 |
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| hunger | gutsy has broken keyboard in X since I upgraded X:-( AltGR does no longer work. | 05:36 |
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| tkamppeter | timmay, I do most of the printing stuff in Ubuntu and I am also leading the OpenPrinting project. Unfortunately, I did not do anything with the Lexmark DDK. | 06:04 |
| timmay | tkamppeter: Does/will the OpenPrinting project support that Lexmark printer? | 06:06 |
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| freezone | after years of positive experiences with debian and all kinds of tests with other distributions i am deeply impressed by Ubuntu Feisty. that is all advantages of debian enhanced by usability at a very mature state. | 06:32 |
| freezone | fantastic job of all you guys | 06:32 |
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| sladen | yah: http://www.linuxpowertop.org/powertop.php | 06:32 |
| jsgotangco | that's a nice tool | 06:33 |
| pochu | It's in the new queue now :) | 06:33 |
| jsgotangco | wow! | 06:34 |
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| pochu | bug 114417 | 06:34 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 114417 in Ubuntu "Please sync powertop from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114417 | 06:34 |
| pochu | hopefully it'll be available here soon :) | 06:34 |
| seb128 | no need to open sync bugs for new packages in Debian | 06:35 |
| Arador | I was reading a good article about it just now at http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/05/16/1742204 | 06:35 |
| seb128 | they are synced automatically | 06:35 |
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| pochu | seb128: ok, will remember it :) | 06:36 |
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| Hobbsee | morning all | 06:54 |
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| tkamppeter_ | timmay, see also this link about making Lexmarks work: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-83456.html | 07:01 |
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| freezone | is there a better channel than #ubuntu for support questions? | 07:17 |
| Burgundavia | no | 07:17 |
| Burgundavia | why do you ask? | 07:17 |
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| freezone | well | 07:19 |
| freezone | example: i have a problem to mount my cam. some dude suggests to use gthumb which imports pictures from existing filesystems. thats kind of pointless | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | freezone: have you tried the users mailing list, the forums or a local team? | 07:24 |
| freezone | yeah | 07:25 |
| freezone | there is a hint in some asian language that directs to a special link with a driver | 07:26 |
| geser | freeflying: are you sure you can mount your cam? afaik not all cams appear as usb-storage | 07:27 |
| freezone | but i am unsure if i need to build a driver manually if the chipset is obviously detected | 07:27 |
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| robertj | has there been any discussion about versioning community docs per-release? | 07:40 |
| Burgundavia | in what sense? | 07:40 |
| robertj | Burgundavia: so that you don't have separate subsections for each version of Ubuntu | 07:41 |
| Burgundavia | on the wiki? | 07:41 |
| robertj | yes | 07:41 |
| Burgundavia | do you have a sane suggestion of making it easy? | 07:42 |
| robertj | Burgundavia: Possibly | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia | shall we move to -doc? | 07:42 |
| robertj | sure, didn't know there was one :) | 07:42 |
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| psusi | iwj: ping | 07:52 |
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| iwj | Hi. | 07:55 |
| iwj | If you told me a bit more about what you wanted to talk about then I would be able to provide a more useful reply right away. | 07:56 |
| iwj | Content-free pings are a bit useless really. | 07:56 |
| pochu | iwj: that looks like a retarded script :) | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | there is a script for it | 07:57 |
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| pochu | Hobbsee: yep, but it doesn't have a "wait 300" :) | 08:00 |
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| iwj | It's not a script. But if I had one I might put `wait 300' in it just to make sure the contentless-pinger had to hang around pointlessly some more :-). | 08:10 |
| sladen | psusi: ^^ping | 08:16 |
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| mako | elmo: http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/20070517-00 | 08:22 |
| elmo | :( | 08:23 |
| mako | elmo: just the messanger dude | 08:24 |
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| psusi | sladen: pong | 08:31 |
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| psusi | iwj: howdy... I see that you modified devmapper to allow udev to create the dev nodes... I was wondering if you sent those changes upstream? | 08:32 |
| iwj | psusi: No, and we're going to revert them. | 08:33 |
| iwj | So lucky upstream :-). | 08:33 |
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| psusi | we are? why? | 08:41 |
| psusi | I'm working right now on merging that package with debian's newer version | 08:42 |
| psusi | I'm wondering how I should merge the changelog... keep ours and add a line that says I merged with debian's changes, or just insert all of our changes into theirs? | 08:43 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm. breakage | 08:43 |
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| psusi | i.e. should it show 1.0ubuntu0, 1.0ubuntu1, 1.1, 1.1ubuntu0: merged | 08:44 |
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| psusi | debian has added 2 new entries to the changelog... we have like 8.... should I just take our 8 and add a new one saying I merged with debian, or should I actually add the two new entries from debian? | 08:49 |
| Hobbsee | psusi: seen the merge-o-matic? | 08:50 |
| iwj | psusi: Please don't merge that libdevmapper udev device node stuff. | 08:50 |
| sladen | psusi: take the copy that debian has, put that in Ubuntu. If you add some patches aswell then document those in the changelog | 08:50 |
| iwj | Or rather, leave it in our version if you like. | 08:50 |
| iwj | Sorry, for a moment I thought you were talking about merging our changes into a Debian package, but you mean to make a package for gutsy. | 08:51 |
| iwj | For the moment that should have all of our changes. | 08:51 |
| psusi | Hobbsee: sort of | 08:52 |
| iwj | psusi: For the spec about reverting part of the udev thing and generally doing it differently, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UdevLvmMdadmEvmsAgain. | 08:52 |
| iwj | But I have to go away now and have dinner and things. | 08:52 |
| psusi | iwj: huh? I'm merging the new upstream version with ours... keeping our changes | 08:52 |
| iwj | Right. | 08:52 |
| iwj | Good, that's fine. Carry on :-). | 08:52 |
| iwj | I just misunderstood you. | 08:52 |
| iwj | Good luck. | 08:52 |
| psusi | sladen: no, we aalready have diverged from debian, and now I am trying to merge with debians' new version | 08:53 |
| Hobbsee | oh dammit, i'll need a sponsor for this. | 08:53 |
| iwj | psusi: You don't need to worry about that spec but it's FYI if you want it. | 08:53 |
| psusi | cool | 08:53 |
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| psusi | thanks | 08:53 |
| psusi | now, we forked from debian in 1.08... since then we have had several ubuntu versions | 08:54 |
| psusi | debian since then has had 2 new versions and is currently on 1.18... | 08:54 |
| psusi | so the question is, when I merge the changelog... should it show 1.08, 1.08ubuntu0, 1.08ubuntu1... then 1.12, 1.18, 1.18ubuntu0: I merged here? | 08:55 |
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| seb128 | mr_pouit: " * Repack orig tarball to remove upstream debian directory.", that doesn't make sense | 09:12 |
| seb128 | mr_pouit: the changes can go to the diff.gz | 09:12 |
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| === robertj files +bug/115295 | ||
| === robertj files <*ahem*> bug #115295 | ||
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 115295 in app-install-data-commercial "vmware-server package has broken pam settings that won't let you log in" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115295 | 09:13 |
| mr_pouit | 21:10 < seb128> mr_pouit: the changes can go to the diff.gz << and generate an ugly one :( | 09:14 |
| seb128 | mr_pouit: and? | 09:14 |
| seb128 | who read the .diff.gz anyway? | 09:15 |
| seb128 | better to use the upstream tarball as orig | 09:15 |
| seb128 | so we don't conflict with Debian when we try to sync because we have different tarballs | 09:15 |
| mr_pouit | I do the same change in debian | 09:15 |
| seb128 | it's extra work | 09:15 |
| seb128 | and the md5sum doesn't match upstream | 09:16 |
| seb128 | don't | 09:16 |
| mr_pouit | my sponsor preferred that I remove the upstream debian/ dir that having a huge diff.gz, so :/ | 09:16 |
| seb128 | who is he? | 09:16 |
| seb128 | you should talk to upstream and tell them to not ship the debian dir with the tarball | 09:17 |
| mr_pouit | yes | 09:17 |
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| mr_pouit | 21:13 < seb128> and the md5sum doesn't match upstream <<< then why repack the orig tarball to add a missing license rather than patching? that's a similar issue | 09:20 |
| seb128 | mr_pouit: yes, there is case were you need to repack it | 09:20 |
| seb128 | mr_pouit: changing the debian dir is not one of those | 09:21 |
| cjwatson | the reason we ask people to repack the .orig.tar.gz for missing licences is so that the .orig.tar.gz is legal to distribute in isolation | 09:21 |
| mr_pouit | ok | 09:22 |
| cjwatson | (personally I think it's overkill, but I understand why some archive admins prefer to ask for it) | 09:22 |
| Hobbsee | morning, cjwatson | 09:22 |
| cjwatson | evening | 09:24 |
| seb128 | mr_pouit: who is your Debian sponsor? | 09:24 |
| === Hobbsee wishes the shoestring link to australia wasnt so crap. | ||
| mr_pouit | seb128: for this package it was daniel baumann | 09:24 |
| mr_pouit | seb128: but I changed since (but haven't updated this package since) | 09:25 |
| seb128 | k, I was just curious, I would have pinged him on IRC if he was somebody I know ;) | 09:25 |
| mr_pouit | ok ^^ | 09:25 |
| seb128 | anyway, no big deal, I just wanted to mention that you don't need to make a new tarball only to drop the upstream debian dir | 09:27 |
| mr_pouit | ok | 09:28 |
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| === Hobbsee needs a faster machine. | ||
| psusi | wtf? | 09:32 |
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| Hobbsee | psusi: ? | 09:38 |
| Chipzz | seb128: ok, this is really disturbing | 09:39 |
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| Chipzz | seb128: I just upgraded gnumeric (and related goffice libraries), and my panel crashed | 09:39 |
| seb128 | Chipzz: why is that disturbing? | 09:40 |
| Chipzz | seb128: these were the only packages involved: gnumeric-common libgoffice-0-3 libgoffice-0-common libgsf-gnome-1-114 | 09:40 |
| Chipzz | (and gnumeric) | 09:40 |
| Chipzz | seb128: because gnumeric wasn't running, and gnome-panel isn't linked to any of these libraries | 09:40 |
| Chipzz | which means that upgrading totally unrelated stuff can crash the panel? | 09:41 |
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| pochu | Chipzz: bug 85776 | 09:41 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 85776 in gnome-panel "[apport] gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV on package installation, valgrind log required" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85776 | 09:41 |
| pochu | seb128: if you didn't know, it's still present in gutsy ;) | 09:41 |
| Chipzz | the panel crashing would be understandable (I'm not saying acceptable, just understable), if the panel was in any way related to these packages at all | 09:41 |
| pochu | I've tried to get it crashing under valgrind, but seems it only crashes without it :/ | 09:42 |
| seb128 | pochu: we had no sign of it been fixed, that's why the bug is not closed ;) | 09:42 |
| pochu | :) | 09:42 |
| seb128 | nobody managed to get a valgrind log though | 09:42 |
| seb128 | so it's of no real use :/ | 09:42 |
| Chipzz | only thing I can imagine is overwriting of the icons causing this | 09:42 |
| Chipzz | errr | 09:42 |
| Chipzz | .desktop files | 09:42 |
| seb128 | I ran gnome-panel for some time under valgrind and we fixed the bugs I spotted | 09:42 |
| seb128 | but my panel don't crash often | 09:43 |
| pochu | seb128: I've just installed more than 100 packages with valgrind, without a crash :/ | 09:43 |
| seb128 | might be due to some setting I'm not using | 09:43 |
| seb128 | Chipzz: I think it's icon cache related | 09:43 |
| pochu | seb128: it does here ~ twice a week | 09:43 |
| seb128 | but without a valgrind log | 09:43 |
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| seb128 | pochu: maybe you could run the panel under valgrind for a week ;) | 09:43 |
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| seb128 | we need a log to get it fixed | 09:43 |
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| pochu | seb128: does it restart somehow when I do "gnome-session-remove gnome-panel && valgrind blablabla gnome-panel"? | 09:44 |
| pochu | seb128: I'll run it until we fix it, but I turn off the laptop on the night ;) | 09:44 |
| seb128 | what do you mean, restart? | 09:44 |
| seb128 | if you use gnome-session-remove you stop it | 09:45 |
| seb128 | and then run it under valgrind | 09:45 |
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| pochu | will try to get it | 09:46 |
| seb128 | thank you | 09:46 |
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| pochu | some time ago I installed kubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop to get it, without a crash!! :/ | 09:46 |
| pochu | hehe :) | 09:46 |
| seb128 | I ran the panel under valgrind a lot before feisty | 09:47 |
| seb128 | I got some invalid read to the icon cache code which have been fixed to GTK+ | 09:47 |
| seb128 | but looks like that was not enough | 09:47 |
| pochu | if the panel doesn't crash, the logs are useless? | 09:47 |
| seb128 | no | 09:47 |
| seb128 | look if there is some Invalid read to them | 09:48 |
| seb128 | and not to ld code | 09:48 |
| seb128 | valgrind list invalid usages | 09:48 |
| pochu | argh, I've removed my last log :) | 09:48 |
| seb128 | they don't always lead to a crash | 09:48 |
| pochu | will check with next one :) | 09:48 |
| Hobbsee | curious question - what will happen if i upload something to ubuntu with a debian version? | 09:51 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: you will be treated with a large stick | 09:51 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: yay. anything else? | 09:52 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: I asked tollef this question. Technically, your upload will be accepted | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | right. | 09:52 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: what do you mean by "version"? number? | 09:52 |
| seb128 | it'll be accept | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: yes | 09:53 |
| zul | Hobbsee: anything else? you will be beaten with it | 09:53 |
| psusi | hrm.... I'm trying to compare my merged package .diff.gz with the interdiff I ran against the old ubuntu package vs the common base to make sure I didn't leave out any of the ubuntu specific changes from the merge | 09:53 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: we do use -1 for some ubuntu specific packages | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: i'ts not a native package | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | but of course, yes. | 09:53 |
| psusi | but if I interdiff the new .diff.gz with the old interdiff, interdiff fails with a failed hunk message if I give it -p1, but works without the -p1, but it thinks everything is new since the first directory name is different | 09:53 |
| seb128 | using the ubuntu<n> versioning just make it easy to know when a package has been changed for Ubuntu | 09:54 |
| psusi | what gives? why would interdif fail? | 09:54 |
| seb128 | and not conflict with Debian | 09:54 |
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| Hobbsee | seb128: i've got something that i'm planning to get uploaded to debian, but would prefer to get it uploaded to gutsy first to check it doenst break the entire universe | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | debian being debian, and all that... | 09:54 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: upload with 0ubuntu1 | 09:54 |
| psusi | I'd say so since it will probably take 2 years to get it uploaded to debian ;) | 09:55 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: the package is the same - it'll be synced in future. | 09:55 |
| seb128 | then upload to debian with -1 | 09:55 |
| seb128 | and ask a sync | 09:55 |
| seb128 | that's what we do for GNOME packages when we upload faster | 09:55 |
| cjwatson | yes, if you're uploading to Ubuntu first please use -0ubuntu1 | 09:55 |
| seb128 | we use 0ubuntu1 | 09:55 |
| seb128 | and ask a sync when Debian has the -1 | 09:55 |
| Hobbsee | mmmm...dammit | 09:55 |
| === Hobbsee was hoping to shortcut. | ||
| seb128 | Hobbsee: what does it shortcut? | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | (and only need 2 lots of sponsoring, instead of 3) | 09:56 |
| cjwatson | the versions in both places by definition can't be the same | 09:56 |
| seb128 | you don't need 3 | 09:56 |
| cjwatson | since you need a different distribution line in debian/changelog | 09:56 |
| seb128 | you need 2 and a sync | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: sync requires a sponsor, too. | 09:56 |
| cjwatson | there's no Ubuntu->Debian sync procedure to allow working around that | 09:56 |
| psusi | hrm... wonder if I should try to refactor devmapper while I'm at it to use dpatch | 09:57 |
| Hobbsee | oh yeah, there's a thought. it *would* get rejected with unstable | 09:57 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: well, getting sync approval is fast enough, just ping me and say they are the same package and I'll sync it ;) | 09:57 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 09:57 |
| seb128 | yes, that's why I asked if you spoke about version number only | 09:57 |
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| Hobbsee | seb128: sorry, didnt realise what you were asking, i'd forgottne about unstable. it's still pre-6am here. | 09:58 |
| seb128 | sync are easy | 09:58 |
| seb128 | upload to gutsy with 0ubuntu1 | 09:58 |
| seb128 | get -1 to Debian | 09:58 |
| seb128 | and let me know when you need the sync | 09:58 |
| Hobbsee | right | 09:58 |
| Hobbsee | oh fricking hell | 09:58 |
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| seb128 | you should be sleeping at pre-6am ;) | 09:59 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: true. jetlag and all | 09:59 |
| Hobbsee | err.... | 09:59 |
| === Hobbsee pokes imbrandon with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| imbrandon | ... ? | 10:00 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: you didnt happen to change the buntudot account passwords, did you? | 10:00 |
| Hobbsee | (ssh) | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | err no i dident know anyone was still using that space, the domain exires this month so i was gonna let it go | 10:01 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 10:01 |
| Hobbsee | right, okay | 10:01 |
| Hobbsee | no problem | 10:01 |
| === Hobbsee has other places, too | ||
| imbrandon | 2 choices, you can use your shell on aurora | 10:01 |
| imbrandon | or i can renew buntutudot | 10:01 |
| imbrandon | upto you :) | 10:01 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: nah, it's cool | 10:01 |
| imbrandon | rember you have a shell on all the buildd'd too :) | 10:02 |
| imbrandon | s/'d/'s/g | 10:02 |
| Hobbsee | this is true. i was meaning the webspace. | 10:02 |
| imbrandon | ahh i can put webspace on the buildd for you , only take me a minute | 10:02 |
| imbrandon | one sec | 10:02 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: seriously, dont worry - i've got other places too. | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | i was just going to use that as it was faster. | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | (and not australian) | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, too late , already dont , restarting apache now, one sec | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:04 |
| Hobbsee | oh well. yay, more webspace :) | 10:04 |
| Hobbsee | if you've got it done, of course i'm going to use it :P | 10:04 |
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| imbrandon | Hobbsee, ok http://hobbsee.ubuntuwire.com points to ~/public on aurora | 10:07 |
| imbrandon | all setup and ready | 10:07 |
| imbrandon | see all personalized domain and all | 10:08 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: great, thanks :) | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | :) | 10:08 |
| Hobbsee | woo :) | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | hels to have a buddy server admin , shhhh | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | helps* | 10:08 |
| Hobbsee | hehe, of course. | 10:08 |
| Hobbsee | friends in high places are always good. | 10:09 |
| imbrandon | btw since dreamhost couldent handle the dugg ubuntustudio.org , guess where it is now :) | 10:09 |
| imbrandon | heheh | 10:09 |
| imbrandon | imbrandon > dreamhost | 10:09 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 10:10 |
| imbrandon | anyhow /me is off for a nap | 10:10 |
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| Hobbsee | night imbrandon | 10:14 |
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| Burgundavia | imbrandon: did us.org take down all fo dreamhost? | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, pretty much, then they shutdown the site saying they couldent handle it and wanted 230$ a month for a dedicated server | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | ouch | 10:26 |
| imbrandon | so i said i would host it, i put it on the same box as imbrandon.com and only sitting at a 0.45 load avg | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | I assume it is headed for the dc then? | 10:26 |
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| imbrandon | yea its at my DC right now , I work in one of the largest DC's in the USA | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | the advantages of the ubuntu community | 10:27 |
| psusi | sladen: ping | 10:27 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, some vanity pics of my work .... http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/gsi/ | 10:27 |
| imbrandon | :) | 10:27 |
| flithm | hey everyone, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask... I'm trying to find out what it takes to get a new package into the offical (contrib) package tree? Can anyone point me in the right direction? | 10:28 |
| Burgundavia | shin | 10:28 |
| Burgundavia | shiny, rather | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | flithm, REVU and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU are good places to start | 10:28 |
| Burgundavia | flithm: #ubuntu-motu is the correct place for that | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | and #ubuntu-motu | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | yea | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:28 |
| flithm | thanks guys... sorry for the OT | 10:29 |
| Burgundavia | no worries | 10:29 |
| imbrandon | np | 10:29 |
| Burgundavia | I am in a hostel in Madrid watching Kill Bill 1 | 10:29 |
| Burgundavia | surrounded by a large number of Vancouverites | 10:29 |
| Burgundavia | the world is a very wierd place | 10:29 |
| imbrandon | heh , i just got off a 12 hour shift, about to hit the sack after a shower | 10:29 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:29 |
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| adilson | Burgundavia: I hope it's not dubbed :) | 10:39 |
| Burgundavia | nah, english dvd | 10:41 |
| psusi | well, I think I've managed to merge devmapper | 10:49 |
| psusi | now I create a bug report and upload the debdiff then subscrube... which group was it for sponsorship? | 10:49 |
| Amaranth | isn't there an ubuntu-archive group? | 10:50 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: ubuntu-archive is not a sponsor team | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | Amaranth: should be. else where do the syncs get subscribed to | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 10:51 |
| pochu | Hobbsee: go to sleep! :) | 10:51 |
| Hobbsee | pochu: why? it's almost 7am. | 10:51 |
| Amaranth | seb128: oh, it's for syncs, backports, and SRU requests then? | 10:52 |
| seb128 | ubuntu-main-sponsors and ubuntu-universe-sponsors are doing sponsoring | 10:52 |
| pochu | Hobbsee: and you haven't sleep in all the night? | 10:52 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: right, archive admin work ;) | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | pochu: i woke up around 3am | 10:52 |
| Amaranth | heh | 10:52 |
| psusi | I have merged devmapper with the new deb version | 10:52 |
| pochu | hehe :) | 10:52 |
| Amaranth | i ended up staying up 24 hours by the time i got off work and then only slept 5 hours | 10:52 |
| pochu | Hobbsee: jetlag! :p | 10:53 |
| Amaranth | stupid timezones :P | 10:53 |
| seb128 | psusi: subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors | 10:53 |
| Hobbsee | pochu: yeah. it's seriously evil. i didnt expect it to be this bad. | 10:53 |
| Burgundavia | Hobbsee: your first time overseas? | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: second. but in ages, yes. | 10:54 |
| === desrt chuckles | ||
| Burgundavia | right | 10:54 |
| Burgundavia | jetlag doesn't get any easier | 10:54 |
| desrt | australia/europe is quite bad. | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | hiya desrt | 10:55 |
| desrt | hello | 10:55 |
| Hobbsee | i would have expected it to be better | 10:55 |
| seb128 | hey desrt | 10:55 |
| desrt | bonjour | 10:55 |
| desrt | :) | 10:56 |
| Burgundavia | hey desrt | 10:56 |
| seb128 | I usually handle jetlag quite fine | 10:56 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as there was no jetlag, well, almost none, going into spain | 10:56 |
| desrt | good day, sir | 10:56 |
| Burgundavia | east to west is easier | 10:56 |
| Burgundavia | for some reason | 10:56 |
| seb128 | it takes me one day either way | 10:56 |
| seb128 | just have to sleep in the plane or wait a bit longer to go to bed | 10:56 |
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| desrt | jetlag for me coming home from europe is fantastic | 10:57 |
| desrt | i like it a lot | 10:57 |
| desrt | since it means that at about midnight i'm _dog_ tired | 10:57 |
| desrt | and i wake up at 9am the next morning | 10:57 |
| seb128 | "normal cycle" ;) | 10:57 |
| desrt | europe is like tough love to put my sleep cycle back on track :) | 10:57 |
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| desrt | has anyone (outside of selinux or whatever) invited a better practise for daemons that ought to have access to nothing than setuid() nobody? | 10:59 |
| desrt | (or various per-daemon accounts) | 10:59 |
| desrt | *invented | 10:59 |
| desrt | ideally, there should be some eject() syscall or something that completely unplugs the calling process from the filesystem and any per-user privileges that it would have (like kill(2)) | 11:00 |
| Mithrandir | chroot-ing into an empty directory often helps. | 11:00 |
| desrt | any open(), socket(), bind() or anything fails | 11:00 |
| Mithrandir | then setuid-ing to some nobody-user. | 11:01 |
| desrt | (but accept() still succeeds) | 11:01 |
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| cjwatson | desrt: the Hurd has id sets so you can have the empty set of ids ;-) | 11:01 |
| cjwatson | (IIRC anyway) | 11:01 |
| desrt | cjwatson; when do we get our Hurd port? :) | 11:01 |
| cjwatson | some point after it works .. | 11:02 |
| === Mithrandir ^5s cjwatson | ||
| desrt | nstxd is hard-wired to port 53. silly. | 11:02 |
| Mithrandir | use iodine. | 11:02 |
| Mithrandir | much less crackful | 11:02 |
| desrt | no package. | 11:03 |
| Mithrandir | make one. :-) | 11:03 |
| desrt | what is better about it? | 11:03 |
| Mithrandir | I just haven't been arsed so far. | 11:03 |
| Mithrandir | it works on !i386 | 11:03 |
| desrt | that doesn't concern me :) | 11:03 |
| Mithrandir | and it doesn't make grown up developers cry and be scared to go to sleep. | 11:04 |
| desrt | that does and has been concerning me :) | 11:04 |
| desrt | iodine is a clever name. | 11:06 |
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| Mithrandir | it is | 11:07 |
| sladen | psusi: if you ping, leave a useful message, cya? | 11:09 |
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| psusi | sladen: you pinged me earlier, never got together | 11:12 |
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| sladen | psusi: ah that was pointing out to you iwj's note about leaving a useful message with a ping. (which iwj has not prefixed with your nick) | 11:14 |
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| psusi | ohh ;) | 11:15 |
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| psusi | rofl | 11:42 |
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| psusi | wow that is weird | 11:42 |
| psusi | while I was merging changes with debian in the devmapper package, I happened to fix a high priority bug in passing without realizing it | 11:43 |
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| shaya | any chance gutsy will get a kernel fully compatible w/ powertop? | 11:47 |
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| mjg59 | shaya: It has one | 11:48 |
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| shaya | ah it does, dist-upgrade just wasnt pulling it in as not depended on | 11:50 |
| psusi | hrm... normally when I fix something I just upload the debdiff against the last version to the bug report... but in this case, I'm mering with a new upstream version, so I need to upload the new .orig, .dsc, and .diff.gz right? | 11:50 |
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| Hobbsee | psusi: preferably, yes | 11:51 |
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| shaya | mjg59: so are the suggestions of powertop going to be applied? | 11:58 |
| shaya | for instance CONFIG_SND_AC97_POWER_SAVE | 11:58 |
| mjg59 | shaya: I'm planning on looking into that one | 11:59 |
| shaya | I'm trying to figure out what's using so much usb on my t42p | 11:59 |
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| shaya | I knew bluetooth used it (disabled that) and that helped a bit, but can't figure out the rest | 12:00 |
| Hobbsee | bah. can someone please sync powertop so i can continue being lazy? | 12:00 |
| shaya | hobbsee: its like 2 minutes to svn checkout ; make | 12:00 |
| Hobbsee | shaya: but there's a package for debian, and it's nto in gutsy yet. | 12:01 |
| shaya | is powernowd of any use today? (i.e. from the powertop page it seemed the kernel might do the speed scaling itself?) | 12:03 |
| shaya | hmm, xorg is weird, can rmmod psmouse while its running | 12:06 |
| shaya | mouse stops working | 12:06 |
| shaya | modprobe it back in, mouse works agian | 12:06 |
| psusi | so I should subscribe ubuntu-archive to a bug report for a debian merge request that I have completed? | 12:08 |
| Hobbsee | psusi: no, you should subscribe ubuntu-{universe,main}-sponsors | 12:09 |
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| shaya | hmm, that was interesting | 12:11 |
| shaya | just rmmod asus_acpi on my t42p | 12:11 |
| shaya | oopsed | 12:11 |
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