[03:47] <Keybuk> I do so hate it when I have no X server ... :-(
[03:48] <crimsun> got bitten by -intel and xorg-server 1.3, too?
[03:48] <Keybuk> yup
[03:48] <mjg59> -intel isn't ready for <915 yet
[03:49] <mjg59> Though I don't think that's Scott's problem
[03:51] <Keybuk> I think the lack of an updated -intel driver is likely my problem
[03:52] <mjg59> Also a possibility
[03:53] <mjg59> Did -i810 get updated?
[03:53] <Keybuk> no, neither did
[03:53] <Keybuk> installing the Debian -intel package seems to fix it
[03:53] <Keybuk> yay simple solutions, brb
[03:55] <Keybuk> someone renamed gaim?!
[03:55] <kylem> Keybuk, gaim renamed gaim...
[03:58] <Lathiat__> gossip ?
[03:59] <Keybuk> no, it was supposed to be better than gossip
[03:59] <Lathiat__> ah right
[03:59] <Keybuk> ie. not suck
[03:59] <Keybuk> since I can't make gossip login to jabber
[04:00] <Lathiat__> well it might one of: gossip, landell, cohoba, gnomeui, empathy, banter
[04:01] <Keybuk> empathy sounds right
[04:35] <Keybuk> http://www.flickr.com/photos/daviderosa/491277662/
[04:35] <Keybuk> ^ wow, elmo has a twin brother
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hi all
[09:36] <Treenaks> morning
[09:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:43] <Mithrandir> morning, Hobbsee 
[09:44] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir!
[09:47] <stgraber> Mithrandir: I don't remember, was it you who took some notes for the isotesting tracker BoF ?
[09:48] <Mithrandir> stgraber: hm, I don't think I did it, no.  I could check, can you remind me tomorrow?  (I'm not really here today, it being a public holiday and all)
[09:48] <stgraber> Mithrandir: ok :)
[09:48] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: so, if it's a holiday, why are you on irc?
[09:49] <stgraber> well, it's for me as well :)
[09:49] <Hobbsee> which holiday?
[09:49] <Mithrandir> constitution day and ascension day.
[09:50] <Hobbsee> right
[09:59] <Treenaks> morning jono
[10:00] <jono> hey
[10:01] <Hobbsee> oh no, it's master duck bacon.
[10:01] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: 'duck bacon', how would that work?
[10:01] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: master bacon, lover of ducks
[10:01] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: ah :)
[10:26] <Spads> turducken
[10:27] <Fujitsu> Spads: Sure.
[10:27] <Spads> Jono Turducken.
[10:27] <Fujitsu> Um, whatever you say.
[10:27] <Hobbsee> hiya Spads 
[10:27] <Spads> howdy, Hobbsee 
[10:27] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:15] <_StefanS_> hi there
[11:15] <_StefanS_> any plans for including networkmanager 0.6.5 in gutsy?
[11:15] <Treenaks> is it in Debian?
[11:15] <_StefanS_> uhm dont know where to check ?
[11:15] <Treenaks> packages.debian.org?
[11:16] <_StefanS_> uhm, let me check
[11:16] <Treenaks> debian unstable has 0.6.4
[11:16] <_StefanS_> hmm nope..
[11:16] <Treenaks> _StefanS_: has 0.6.5 been released?
[11:17] <bart> hello everyone
[11:17] <_StefanS_> Treenaks: uhm well, dont know :) - all I know is that the svn has 0.6.5 with leap support in it
[11:17] <Treenaks> _StefanS_: leap?
[11:17] <_StefanS_> Treenaks: wireless leap
[11:17] <_StefanS_> Treenaks: cisco's peap implementation
[11:18] <_StefanS_> Treenaks: used very broadly
[11:18] <Treenaks> _StefanS_: never heard of it :)
[11:18] <_StefanS_> Treenaks: I know the gnome-applet for network manager does support it in the latest version
[11:18] <_StefanS_> Treenaks: I was going to add support for it in knetworkmanager
[11:19] <_StefanS_> Treenaks: but then i stumbled upon the !=0.6.5 ;)
[11:19] <Treenaks> _StefanS_: It's been released since 20-04.. so I guess it's just a matter of time
[11:19] <_StefanS_> Treenaks: do you think it will make it for gutsy? cant remember the debian freeze date
[11:20] <Treenaks> though I've heard a lot of people complain about the 'wifi-centric' approach n-m is taking.. completely ignoring things they don't like (pppoe, bluetooth networking)
[11:20] <_StefanS_> Treenaks: well isn't that the common nominator in gnome stuff ? (no pun intended)
[11:21] <_StefanS_> sad really.
[11:21] <Treenaks> _StefanS_: it's not because of the gnome thing... it's really just the upstream authors of n-m
[11:22] <_StefanS_> Treenaks: oh wait, my mistake. It is the freedesktop ppl that is maintaining it 
[11:22] <_StefanS_> Treenaks: sorry.
[11:22] <_StefanS_> nevertheless they should broaden themselves a bit.
[11:22] <Treenaks> yeah, I agree completely
[11:24] <_StefanS_> hmm well, I might package that 0.6.5 to begin with, it seems like I wont get far without n-m support for LEAP
[11:24] <_StefanS_> gui works though ;)
[11:25] <_StefanS_> Treenaks: thanks for the help
[02:12] <vciaglia> hi, is there Mozilla-Composer on amd64 ?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> vciaglia: for gutsy?
[02:13] <vciaglia> gnomefreak: no, feisty
[02:14] <gnomefreak> vciaglia: nope
[02:14] <gnomefreak> vciaglia: gutsy will have it named iceape
[02:14] <vciaglia> oh, ok
[02:14] <vciaglia> thank you
[02:14] <gnomefreak> yw
[02:15] <gnomefreak> vciaglia: iirc mozilla-suite was removed from feisty and nothing replaced it. and seamonkey/iceape replaces that and has composer with it
[02:15] <sn0> is gutsy going to have iceweasel/icedove a la debian ?
[02:15] <gnomefreak> sn0: no firefox and thunderbird
[02:16] <gnomefreak> iceape is the only thing we (mozilla-team) took from debian
[02:16] <sn0> i had heard canonical/ubuntu had made a deal with mozilla over the copyright thing recently
[02:16] <sn0> and the reason for that and not the weasel/dove gnomefreak ?
[02:16] <sn0> just so i know :)
[02:16] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:17] <sn0> okay :-)
[02:17] <gnomefreak> we agreed to the license afaik there might have been some dealing in there but im not sure about that all i know is we agreed to it
[02:18] <gnomefreak> sn0: its being worked on and uploaded today ( i believe for sid.)
[02:19] <gnomefreak> the maintainer stated that an hour or 2 ago
[02:19] <sn0> gnomefreak brilliant , i have had the packages.qa.debian.org open for a while now, is there somewhere else that incoming is listed?
[02:20] <gnomefreak> sn0: not sure, maybe ftp.debian.org?
[02:20] <sn0> (also waiting patiently on pidgin-otr for i386)
[02:20] <Fujitsu> incoming.debian.org, sn0 :P
[02:20] <sn0> ah thanks Fujitsu 
[02:21] <sn0> even better than packages.qa :)
[02:21] <gnomefreak> ty Fujitsu 
[02:21] <gnomefreak> packages.debian.org seems a bit old as debian has iceape 1.1.1-3 and it still shows 1.1.1-2 as newest
[02:22] <sn0> it seems experimental does not yet have the newer one, or any
[02:22] <Fujitsu> That's always out of date.
[02:23] <gnomefreak> sn0: i just assked about icedove if its for sid
[02:25] <sn0> oh pidgin-otr is in unstable now
[02:25] <sn0> with i386
[02:27] <sn0> and sid it seems :D
[02:27] <sn0> err unstable/experimental
[04:10] <Tonio__> hi 
[04:11] <Tonio__> I would have a question (needed for a doc)
[04:11] <Tonio__> how is the apt periodic work handled ? 
[04:11] <Tonio__> for example how is the daily "update" performed ? is there a daemon running or so ?
[04:11] <mdz> Tonio__: via /etc/cron.daily/apt
[04:12] <Tonio__> mdz: thanks
[04:46] <timmay> Is there anyone here working with the Lexmark driver dev kit? I would like to help on getting the X6100 series working.
[04:48] <evand> Does anyone know if the recordings from the UDS VOIP lines are available?
[04:52] <shawarma> evand: try in #canonical-sysadmin 
[04:53] <Ng> evand: they aren't yet, but they should be soon. It'll be announced too.
[04:54] <evand> Thanks shawarma and Ng
[05:05] <zul> Ng: eta?
[05:11] <Mithrandir> iwj: you going to be around daytime tomorrow?  I'd like to run my dpkg-architecture change for lpia by you so you can bop me over the head if it's too crackful.
[05:11] <iwj> Mithrandir: Sure.
[05:11] <Mithrandir> great, thanks.
[05:12] <Mithrandir> iwj: just prodding you on IRC works or should we set a time?
[05:12] <iwj> Catch me after 1000Z and I should be around with a not wholly unreasonable response time.
[05:12] <Mithrandir> ok, good.
[05:12] <iwj> Before then I might not yet be caffeinated :-).
[05:15] <timmay> Is there anyone here working with the Lexmark driver dev kit? I would like to help on getting the X6100 series working.
[05:36] <hunger> gutsy has broken keyboard in X since I upgraded X:-( AltGR does no longer work.
[06:04] <tkamppeter> timmay, I do most of the printing stuff in Ubuntu and I am also leading the OpenPrinting project. Unfortunately, I did not do anything with the Lexmark DDK.
[06:06] <timmay> tkamppeter: Does/will the OpenPrinting project support that Lexmark printer?
[06:32] <freezone> after years of positive experiences with debian and all kinds of tests with other distributions i am deeply impressed by Ubuntu Feisty. that is all advantages of debian enhanced by usability at a very mature state.
[06:32] <freezone> fantastic job of all you guys
[06:32] <sladen> yah:  http://www.linuxpowertop.org/powertop.php
[06:33] <jsgotangco> that's a nice tool
[06:33] <pochu> It's in the new queue now :)
[06:34] <jsgotangco> wow!
[06:34] <pochu> bug 114417
[06:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114417 in Ubuntu "Please sync powertop from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114417
[06:34] <pochu> hopefully it'll be available here soon :)
[06:35] <seb128> no need to open sync bugs for new packages in Debian
[06:35] <Arador> I was reading a good article about it just now at http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/05/16/1742204
[06:35] <seb128> they are synced automatically
[06:36] <pochu> seb128: ok, will remember it :)
[06:54] <Hobbsee> morning all
[07:01] <tkamppeter_> timmay, see also this link about making Lexmarks work: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-83456.html
[07:17] <freezone> is there a better channel than #ubuntu for support questions?
[07:17] <Burgundavia> no
[07:17] <Burgundavia> why do you ask?
[07:19] <freezone> well
[07:19] <freezone> example: i have a problem to mount my cam. some dude suggests to use gthumb which imports pictures from existing filesystems. thats kind of pointless
[07:24] <Burgundavia> freezone: have you tried the users mailing list, the forums or a local team?
[07:25] <freezone> yeah
[07:26] <freezone> there is a hint in some asian language that directs to a special link with a driver 
[07:27] <geser> freeflying: are you sure you can mount your cam? afaik not all cams appear as usb-storage
[07:27] <freezone> but i am unsure if i need to build a driver manually if the chipset is obviously detected
[07:40] <robertj> has there been any discussion about versioning community docs per-release?
[07:40] <Burgundavia> in what sense?
[07:41] <robertj> Burgundavia: so that you don't have separate subsections for each version of Ubuntu
[07:41] <Burgundavia> on the wiki?
[07:41] <robertj> yes
[07:42] <Burgundavia> do you have a sane suggestion of making it easy?
[07:42] <robertj> Burgundavia: Possibly
[07:42] <Burgundavia> shall we move to -doc?
[07:42] <robertj> sure, didn't know there was one :)
[07:52] <psusi> iwj: ping
[07:55] <iwj> Hi.
[07:56] <iwj> If you told me a bit more about what you wanted to talk about then I would be able to provide a more useful reply right away.
[07:56] <iwj> Content-free pings are a bit useless really.
[07:56] <pochu> iwj: that looks like a retarded script :)
[07:57] <Hobbsee> there is a script for it
[08:00] <pochu> Hobbsee: yep, but it doesn't have a "wait 300" :)
[08:10] <iwj> It's not a script.  But if I had one I might put `wait 300' in it just to make sure the contentless-pinger had to hang around pointlessly some more :-).
[08:16] <sladen> psusi: ^^ping
[08:22] <mako> elmo: http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/20070517-00
[08:23] <elmo> :(
[08:24] <mako> elmo: just the messanger dude
[08:31] <psusi> sladen: pong
[08:32] <psusi> iwj: howdy... I see that you modified devmapper to allow udev to create the dev nodes... I was wondering if you sent those changes upstream?
[08:33] <iwj> psusi: No, and we're going to revert them.
[08:33] <iwj> So lucky upstream :-).
[08:41] <psusi> we are?  why?
[08:42] <psusi> I'm working right now on merging that package with debian's newer version
[08:43] <psusi> I'm wondering how I should merge the changelog... keep ours and add a line that says I merged with debian's changes, or just insert all of our changes into theirs?
[08:43] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  breakage
[08:44] <psusi> i.e. should it show 1.0ubuntu0, 1.0ubuntu1, 1.1, 1.1ubuntu0: merged
[08:49] <psusi> debian has added 2 new entries to the changelog... we have like 8.... should I just take our 8 and add a new one saying I merged with debian, or should I actually add the two new entries from debian?
[08:50] <Hobbsee> psusi: seen the merge-o-matic?
[08:50] <iwj> psusi: Please don't merge that libdevmapper udev device node stuff.
[08:50] <sladen> psusi: take the copy that debian has, put that in Ubuntu.  If you add some patches aswell then document those in the changelog
[08:50] <iwj> Or rather, leave it in our version if you like.
[08:51] <iwj> Sorry, for a moment I thought you were talking about merging our changes into a Debian package, but you mean to make a package for gutsy.
[08:51] <iwj> For the moment that should have all of our changes.
[08:52] <psusi> Hobbsee: sort of
[08:52] <iwj> psusi: For the spec about reverting part of the udev thing and generally doing it differently, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UdevLvmMdadmEvmsAgain.
[08:52] <iwj> But I have to go away now and have dinner and things.
[08:52] <psusi> iwj: huh?  I'm merging the new upstream version with ours... keeping our changes
[08:52] <iwj> Right.
[08:52] <iwj> Good, that's fine.  Carry on :-).
[08:52] <iwj> I just misunderstood you.
[08:52] <iwj> Good luck.
[08:53] <psusi> sladen: no, we aalready have diverged from debian, and now I am trying to merge with debians' new version
[08:53] <Hobbsee> oh dammit, i'll need a sponsor for this.
[08:53] <iwj> psusi: You don't need to worry about that spec but it's FYI if you want it.
[08:53] <psusi> cool
[08:53] <psusi> thanks
[08:54] <psusi> now, we forked from debian in 1.08... since then we have had several ubuntu versions
[08:54] <psusi> debian since then has had 2 new versions and is currently on 1.18...
[08:55] <psusi> so the question is, when I merge the changelog... should it show 1.08, 1.08ubuntu0, 1.08ubuntu1... then 1.12, 1.18, 1.18ubuntu0: I merged here?
[09:12] <seb128> mr_pouit: "   * Repack orig tarball to remove upstream debian directory.", that doesn't make sense
[09:12] <seb128> mr_pouit: the changes can go to the diff.gz
[09:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115295 in app-install-data-commercial "vmware-server package has broken pam settings that won't let you log in" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115295
[09:14] <mr_pouit> 21:10 < seb128> mr_pouit: the changes can go to the diff.gz << and generate an ugly one :(
[09:14] <seb128> mr_pouit: and?
[09:15] <seb128> who read the .diff.gz anyway?
[09:15] <seb128> better to use the upstream tarball as orig
[09:15] <seb128> so we don't conflict with Debian when we try to sync because we have different tarballs
[09:15] <mr_pouit> I do the same change in debian
[09:15] <seb128> it's extra work
[09:16] <seb128> and the md5sum doesn't match upstream
[09:16] <seb128> don't
[09:16] <mr_pouit> my sponsor preferred that I remove the upstream debian/ dir that having a huge diff.gz, so :/
[09:16] <seb128> who is he?
[09:17] <seb128> you should talk to upstream and tell them to not ship the debian dir with the tarball
[09:17] <mr_pouit> yes
[09:20] <mr_pouit> 21:13 < seb128> and the md5sum doesn't match upstream <<< then why repack the orig tarball to add a missing license rather than patching? that's a similar issue
[09:20] <seb128> mr_pouit: yes, there is case were you need to repack it
[09:21] <seb128> mr_pouit: changing the debian dir is not one of those
[09:21] <cjwatson> the reason we ask people to repack the .orig.tar.gz for missing licences is so that the .orig.tar.gz is legal to distribute in isolation
[09:22] <mr_pouit> ok
[09:22] <cjwatson> (personally I think it's overkill, but I understand why some archive admins prefer to ask for it)
[09:22] <Hobbsee> morning, cjwatson 
[09:24] <cjwatson> evening
[09:24] <seb128> mr_pouit: who is your Debian sponsor?
[09:24] <mr_pouit> seb128: for this package it was daniel baumann
[09:25] <mr_pouit> seb128: but I changed since (but haven't updated this package since)
[09:25] <seb128> k, I was just curious, I would have pinged him on IRC if he was somebody I know ;)
[09:25] <mr_pouit> ok ^^
[09:27] <seb128> anyway, no big deal, I just wanted to mention that you don't need to make a new tarball only to drop the upstream debian dir
[09:28] <mr_pouit> ok
[09:32] <psusi> wtf?
[09:38] <Hobbsee> psusi: ?
[09:39] <Chipzz> seb128: ok, this is really disturbing
[09:39] <Chipzz> seb128: I just upgraded gnumeric (and related goffice libraries), and my panel crashed
[09:40] <seb128> Chipzz: why is that disturbing?
[09:40] <Chipzz> seb128: these were the only packages involved: gnumeric-common libgoffice-0-3 libgoffice-0-common libgsf-gnome-1-114
[09:40] <Chipzz> (and gnumeric)
[09:40] <Chipzz> seb128: because gnumeric wasn't running, and gnome-panel isn't linked to any of these libraries
[09:41] <Chipzz> which means that upgrading totally unrelated stuff can crash the panel?
[09:41] <pochu> Chipzz: bug 85776
[09:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85776 in gnome-panel "[apport]  gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV on package installation, valgrind log required" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85776
[09:41] <pochu> seb128: if you didn't know, it's still present in gutsy ;)
[09:41] <Chipzz> the panel crashing would be understandable (I'm not saying acceptable, just understable), if the panel was in any way related to these packages at all
[09:42] <pochu> I've tried to get it crashing under valgrind, but seems it only crashes without it :/
[09:42] <seb128> pochu: we had no sign of it been fixed, that's why the bug is not closed ;)
[09:42] <pochu> :)
[09:42] <seb128> nobody managed to get a valgrind log though
[09:42] <seb128> so it's of no real use :/
[09:42] <Chipzz> only thing I can imagine is overwriting of the icons causing this
[09:42] <Chipzz> errr
[09:42] <Chipzz> .desktop files
[09:42] <seb128> I ran gnome-panel for some time under valgrind and we fixed the bugs I spotted
[09:43] <seb128> but my panel don't crash often
[09:43] <pochu> seb128: I've just installed more than 100 packages with valgrind, without a crash :/
[09:43] <seb128> might be due to some setting I'm not using
[09:43] <seb128> Chipzz: I think it's icon cache related
[09:43] <pochu> seb128: it does here ~ twice a week
[09:43] <seb128> but without a valgrind log
[09:43] <seb128> pochu: maybe you could run the panel under valgrind for a week ;)
[09:43] <seb128> we need a log to get it fixed
[09:44] <pochu> seb128: does it restart somehow when I do "gnome-session-remove gnome-panel && valgrind blablabla gnome-panel"?
[09:44] <pochu> seb128: I'll run it until we fix it, but I turn off the laptop on the night ;)
[09:44] <seb128> what do you mean, restart?
[09:45] <seb128> if you use gnome-session-remove you stop it
[09:45] <seb128> and then run it under valgrind
[09:46] <pochu> will try to get it
[09:46] <seb128> thank you
[09:46] <pochu> some time ago I installed kubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop to get it, without a crash!! :/
[09:46] <pochu> hehe :)
[09:47] <seb128> I ran the panel under valgrind a lot before feisty
[09:47] <seb128> I got some invalid read to the icon cache code which have been fixed to GTK+
[09:47] <seb128> but looks like that was not enough
[09:47] <pochu> if the panel doesn't crash, the logs are useless?
[09:47] <seb128> no
[09:48] <seb128> look if there is some Invalid read to them
[09:48] <seb128> and not to ld code
[09:48] <seb128> valgrind list invalid usages
[09:48] <pochu> argh, I've removed my last log :)
[09:48] <seb128> they don't always lead to a crash
[09:48] <pochu> will check with next one :)
[09:51] <Hobbsee> curious question - what will happen if i upload something to ubuntu with a debian version?
[09:51] <siretart> Hobbsee: you will be treated with a large stick
[09:52] <Hobbsee> siretart: yay.  anything else?
[09:52] <siretart> Hobbsee: I asked tollef this question. Technically, your upload will be accepted
[09:52] <Hobbsee> right.
[09:52] <seb128> Hobbsee: what do you mean by "version"? number?
[09:53] <seb128> it'll be accept
[09:53] <Hobbsee> seb128: yes
[09:53] <zul> Hobbsee: anything else? you will be beaten with it
[09:53] <psusi> hrm.... I'm trying to compare my merged package .diff.gz with the interdiff I ran against the old ubuntu package vs the common base to make sure I didn't leave out any of the ubuntu specific changes from the merge
[09:53] <seb128> Hobbsee: we do use -1 for some ubuntu specific packages
[09:53] <Hobbsee> seb128: i'ts not a native package
[09:53] <Hobbsee> but of course, yes.
[09:53] <psusi> but if I interdiff the new .diff.gz with the old interdiff, interdiff fails with a failed hunk message if I give it -p1, but works without the -p1, but it thinks everything is new since the first directory name is different
[09:54] <seb128> using the ubuntu<n> versioning just make it easy to know when a package has been changed for Ubuntu
[09:54] <psusi> what gives?  why would interdif fail?
[09:54] <seb128> and not conflict with Debian
[09:54] <Hobbsee> seb128: i've got something that i'm planning to get uploaded to debian, but would prefer to get it uploaded to gutsy first to check it doenst break the entire universe
[09:54] <Hobbsee> debian being debian, and all that...
[09:54] <seb128> Hobbsee: upload with 0ubuntu1
[09:55] <psusi> I'd say so since it will probably take 2 years to get it uploaded to debian ;)
[09:55] <Hobbsee> seb128: the package is the same - it'll be synced in future. 
[09:55] <seb128> then upload to debian with -1
[09:55] <seb128> and ask a sync
[09:55] <seb128> that's what we do for GNOME packages when we upload faster
[09:55] <cjwatson> yes, if you're uploading to Ubuntu first please use -0ubuntu1
[09:55] <seb128> we use 0ubuntu1
[09:55] <seb128> and ask a sync when Debian has the -1
[09:55] <Hobbsee> mmmm...dammit
[09:56] <seb128> Hobbsee: what does it shortcut?
[09:56] <Hobbsee> (and only need 2 lots of sponsoring, instead of 3)
[09:56] <cjwatson> the versions in both places by definition can't be the same
[09:56] <seb128> you don't need 3
[09:56] <cjwatson> since you need a different distribution line in debian/changelog
[09:56] <seb128> you need 2 and a sync
[09:56] <Hobbsee> seb128: sync requires a sponsor, too.
[09:56] <cjwatson> there's no Ubuntu->Debian sync procedure to allow working around that
[09:57] <psusi> hrm... wonder if I should try to refactor devmapper while I'm at it to use dpatch
[09:57] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, there's a thought.  it *would* get rejected with unstable
[09:57] <seb128> Hobbsee: well, getting sync approval is fast enough, just ping me and say they are the same package and I'll sync it ;)
[09:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:57] <seb128> yes, that's why I asked if you spoke about version number only
[09:58] <Hobbsee> seb128: sorry, didnt realise what you were asking, i'd forgottne about unstable.  it's still pre-6am here.
[09:58] <seb128> sync are easy
[09:58] <seb128> upload to gutsy with 0ubuntu1
[09:58] <seb128> get -1 to Debian
[09:58] <seb128> and let me know when you need the sync
[09:58] <Hobbsee> right
[09:58] <Hobbsee> oh fricking hell
[09:59] <seb128> you should be sleeping at pre-6am ;)
[09:59] <Hobbsee> seb128: true.  jetlag and all
[09:59] <Hobbsee> err....
[10:00] <imbrandon> ... ?
[10:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you didnt happen to change the buntudot account passwords, did you?
[10:00] <Hobbsee> (ssh)
[10:01] <imbrandon> err no i dident know anyone was still using that space, the domain exires this month so i was gonna let it go
[10:01] <imbrandon> hrm
[10:01] <Hobbsee> right, okay
[10:01] <Hobbsee> no problem
[10:01] <imbrandon> 2 choices, you can use your shell on aurora 
[10:01] <imbrandon> or i can renew buntutudot
[10:01] <imbrandon> upto you :)
[10:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nah, it's cool
[10:02] <imbrandon> rember you have a shell on all the buildd'd too :)
[10:02] <imbrandon> s/'d/'s/g
[10:02] <Hobbsee> this is true.  i was meaning the webspace.
[10:02] <imbrandon> ahh i can put webspace on the buildd for you , only take me a minute
[10:02] <imbrandon> one sec
[10:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: seriously, dont worry - i've got other places too.
[10:03] <Hobbsee> i was just going to use that as it was faster.
[10:03] <Hobbsee> (and not australian)
[10:04] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, too late , already dont , restarting apache now, one sec
[10:04] <imbrandon> lol
[10:04] <Hobbsee> oh well.  yay, more webspace :)
[10:04] <Hobbsee> if you've got it done, of course i'm going to use it :P
[10:07] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ok http://hobbsee.ubuntuwire.com points to ~/public on aurora
[10:07] <imbrandon> all setup and ready
[10:08] <imbrandon> see all personalized domain and all
[10:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: great, thanks :)
[10:08] <imbrandon> :)
[10:08] <Hobbsee> woo :)
[10:08] <imbrandon> hels to have a buddy server admin , shhhh
[10:08] <imbrandon> helps*
[10:08] <Hobbsee> hehe, of course.
[10:09] <Hobbsee> friends in high places are always good.
[10:09] <imbrandon> btw since dreamhost couldent handle the dugg ubuntustudio.org , guess where it is now :)
[10:09] <imbrandon> heheh
[10:09] <imbrandon> imbrandon > dreamhost
[10:10] <Hobbsee> haha
[10:10] <imbrandon> anyhow /me is off for a nap
[10:14] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon 
[10:23] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: did us.org take down all fo dreamhost?
[10:26] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, pretty much, then they shutdown the site saying they couldent handle it and wanted 230$ a month for a dedicated server
[10:26] <Burgundavia> ouch
[10:26] <imbrandon> so i said i would host it, i put it on the same box as imbrandon.com and only sitting at a 0.45 load avg
[10:26] <Burgundavia> I assume it is headed for the dc then?
[10:26] <imbrandon> yea its at my DC right now , I work in one of the largest DC's in the USA
[10:27] <Burgundavia> the advantages of the ubuntu community
[10:27] <psusi> sladen: ping
[10:27] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, some vanity pics of my work .... http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/gsi/
[10:27] <imbrandon> :)
[10:28] <flithm> hey everyone, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask... I'm trying to find out what it takes to get a new package into the offical (contrib) package tree?  Can anyone point me in the right direction?
[10:28] <Burgundavia> shin
[10:28] <Burgundavia> shiny, rather
[10:28] <imbrandon> flithm, REVU and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU are good places to start
[10:28] <Burgundavia> flithm: #ubuntu-motu is the correct place for that
[10:28] <imbrandon> and #ubuntu-motu
[10:28] <imbrandon> yea
[10:28] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:29] <flithm> thanks guys... sorry for the OT
[10:29] <Burgundavia> no worries
[10:29] <imbrandon> np
[10:29] <Burgundavia> I am in a hostel in Madrid watching Kill Bill 1
[10:29] <Burgundavia> surrounded by a large number of Vancouverites
[10:29] <Burgundavia> the world is a very wierd place
[10:29] <imbrandon> heh , i just got off a 12 hour shift, about to hit the sack after a shower
[10:29] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:39] <adilson> Burgundavia: I hope it's not dubbed :)
[10:41] <Burgundavia> nah, english dvd
[10:49] <psusi> well, I think I've managed to merge devmapper
[10:49] <psusi> now I create a bug report and upload the debdiff then subscrube... which group was it for sponsorship?
[10:50] <Amaranth> isn't there an ubuntu-archive group?
[10:50] <seb128> Amaranth: ubuntu-archive is not a sponsor team
[10:50] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: should be.  else where do the syncs get subscribed to
[10:51] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:51] <pochu> Hobbsee: go to sleep! :)
[10:51] <Hobbsee> pochu: why?  it's almost 7am.
[10:52] <Amaranth> seb128: oh, it's for syncs, backports, and SRU requests then?
[10:52] <seb128> ubuntu-main-sponsors and ubuntu-universe-sponsors are doing sponsoring
[10:52] <pochu> Hobbsee: and you haven't sleep in all the night?
[10:52] <seb128> Amaranth: right, archive admin work ;)
[10:52] <Hobbsee> pochu: i woke up around 3am
[10:52] <Amaranth> heh
[10:52] <psusi> I have merged devmapper with the new deb version
[10:52] <pochu> hehe :)
[10:52] <Amaranth> i ended up staying up 24 hours by the time i got off work and then only slept 5 hours
[10:53] <pochu> Hobbsee: jetlag! :p
[10:53] <Amaranth> stupid timezones :P
[10:53] <seb128> psusi: subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors
[10:53] <Hobbsee> pochu: yeah.  it's seriously evil.  i didnt expect it to be this bad.
[10:54] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: your first time overseas?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: second.  but in ages, yes.
[10:54] <Burgundavia> right
[10:54] <Burgundavia> jetlag doesn't get any easier
[10:54] <desrt> australia/europe is quite bad.
[10:55] <Hobbsee> hiya desrt 
[10:55] <desrt> hello
[10:55] <Hobbsee> i would have expected it to be better
[10:55] <seb128> hey desrt
[10:55] <desrt> bonjour
[10:56] <desrt> :)
[10:56] <Burgundavia> hey desrt
[10:56] <seb128> I usually handle jetlag quite fine
[10:56] <Hobbsee> seeing as there was no jetlag, well, almost none, going into spain
[10:56] <desrt> good day, sir
[10:56] <Burgundavia> east to west is easier
[10:56] <Burgundavia> for some reason
[10:56] <seb128> it takes me one day either way
[10:56] <seb128> just have to sleep in the plane or wait a bit longer to go to bed
[10:57] <desrt> jetlag for me coming home from europe is fantastic
[10:57] <desrt> i like it a lot
[10:57] <desrt> since it means that at about midnight i'm _dog_ tired
[10:57] <desrt> and i wake up at 9am the next morning
[10:57] <seb128> "normal cycle" ;)
[10:57] <desrt> europe is like tough love to put my sleep cycle back on track :)
[10:59] <desrt> has anyone (outside of selinux or whatever) invited a better practise for daemons that ought to have access to nothing than setuid() nobody?
[10:59] <desrt> (or various per-daemon accounts)
[10:59] <desrt> *invented
[11:00] <desrt> ideally, there should be some eject() syscall or something that completely unplugs the calling process from the filesystem and any per-user privileges that it would have (like kill(2))
[11:00] <Mithrandir> chroot-ing into an empty directory often helps.
[11:00] <desrt> any open(), socket(), bind() or anything fails
[11:01] <Mithrandir> then setuid-ing to some nobody-user.
[11:01] <desrt> (but accept() still succeeds)
[11:01] <cjwatson> desrt: the Hurd has id sets so you can have the empty set of ids ;-)
[11:01] <cjwatson> (IIRC anyway)
[11:01] <desrt> cjwatson; when do we get our Hurd port? :)
[11:02] <cjwatson> some point after it works ..
[11:02] <desrt> nstxd is hard-wired to port 53.  silly.
[11:02] <Mithrandir> use iodine.
[11:02] <Mithrandir> much less crackful
[11:03] <desrt> no package.
[11:03] <Mithrandir> make one. :-)
[11:03] <desrt> what is better about it?
[11:03] <Mithrandir> I just haven't been arsed so far.
[11:03] <Mithrandir> it works on !i386
[11:03] <desrt> that doesn't concern me :)
[11:04] <Mithrandir> and it doesn't make grown up developers cry and be scared to go to sleep.
[11:04] <desrt> that does and has been concerning me :)
[11:06] <desrt> iodine is a clever name.
[11:07] <Mithrandir> it is
[11:09] <sladen> psusi: if you ping, leave a useful message, cya?
[11:12] <psusi> sladen: you pinged me earlier, never got together
[11:14] <sladen> psusi: ah that was pointing out to you iwj's note about leaving a useful message with a ping.  (which iwj has not prefixed with your nick)
[11:15] <psusi> ohh ;)
[11:42] <psusi> rofl
[11:42] <psusi> wow that is weird
[11:43] <psusi> while I was merging changes with debian in the devmapper package, I happened to fix a high priority bug in passing without realizing it
[11:47] <shaya> any chance gutsy will get a kernel fully compatible w/ powertop?
[11:48] <mjg59> shaya: It has one
[11:50] <shaya> ah it does, dist-upgrade just wasnt pulling it in as not depended on
[11:50] <psusi> hrm... normally when I fix something I just upload the debdiff against the last version to the bug report... but in this case, I'm mering with a new upstream version, so I need to upload the new .orig, .dsc, and .diff.gz right?
[11:51] <Hobbsee> psusi: preferably, yes
[11:58] <shaya> mjg59: so are the suggestions of powertop going to be applied?
[11:58] <shaya> for instance CONFIG_SND_AC97_POWER_SAVE
[11:59] <mjg59> shaya: I'm planning on looking into that one
[11:59] <shaya> I'm trying to figure out what's using so much usb on my t42p
[12:00] <shaya> I knew bluetooth used it (disabled that) and that helped a bit, but can't figure out the rest
[12:00] <Hobbsee> bah.  can someone please sync powertop so i can continue being lazy?
[12:00] <shaya> hobbsee: its like 2 minutes to svn checkout ; make
[12:01] <Hobbsee> shaya: but there's a package for debian, and it's nto in gutsy yet.
[12:03] <shaya> is powernowd of any use today? (i.e. from the powertop page it seemed the kernel might do the speed scaling itself?)
[12:06] <shaya> hmm, xorg is weird, can rmmod psmouse while its running
[12:06] <shaya> mouse stops working
[12:06] <shaya> modprobe it back in, mouse works agian
[12:08] <psusi> so I should subscribe ubuntu-archive to a bug report for a debian merge request that I have completed?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> psusi: no, you should subscribe ubuntu-{universe,main}-sponsors
[12:11] <shaya> hmm, that was interesting
[12:11] <shaya> just rmmod asus_acpi on my t42p
[12:11] <shaya> oopsed