[04:28] <ryanakca> good changes or no? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwarePackagingFormats?action=diff
[04:30] <ryanakca> oops, fixed typo... main interest is the diff going from rev 17 to rev 18
[07:58] <Derffred> Greetings all...
[07:59] <Madpilot> evening
[08:51] <mdke> kwah / crimsun: wiki.u.c is for coordinating ubuntu development and teams; help.u.c is for documentation
[08:53] <mdke> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImproveWebsiteStructure for plans to try and decrease the confusion over that
[04:39] <shirish> guys does anybody know of any page either in the wiki or at help.ubuntu.com/community or otherwise where people can find info. about xserver.xorg and the various ways to find stuff
[04:41] <shirish> anybody other than ubotu , please respond ;-)
[04:47] <jjesse> shirish: what exactly are you looking for?
[04:47] <jjesse> shirish: were you succesful in searching the wiki?
[04:48] <shirish> jjesse: nope, actually I was looking for info. regarding xserver-xorg as now there are many things in there which could help us trouble-shoot & find if Xwindows is not being displayed
[04:50] <shirish> I have been reading a bit about xserver-xorg at lists.freedesktop.org
[04:52] <jjesse> shirish: sorry you couldn't find any
[04:53] <jjesse> shirish: you can always write the wiki pages when you find the ionofrmation you are missing
[04:53] <shirish> jjesse: I just wanted to re-check if somebody has already put some info. somewhere & I didn't look properly
[04:53] <shirish> it might also have a different name so I have no idea
[06:10] <EverythingEvil> if I want to create some doc pages that arent on the wiki yet, how do i go about doing that?
[06:16] <jjesse> EverythingEvil: just start editing the page
[06:16] <EverythingEvil> it says immutable
[06:16] <jjesse> what wiki page?  are you on help.ubuntu.com or wiki.ubuntu.com?
[06:18] <EverythingEvil> wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:18] <EverythingEvil> i want to make ContinuumOnFeisty
[06:20] <EverythingEvil> eventually get it put on help.ubuntu.com
[06:21] <jjesse> when i go to wiki.ubuntu.com/ContinuumOnFeisty it asks if i want to create a page
[06:36] <EverythingEvil> ok i got it, it was those search pages
[07:12] <EverythingEvil> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ContinuumOnFeisty
[07:42] <Burgundavia> this has existed since hoary days
[07:43] <Burgundavia> earlier, really
[07:43] <robertj> Recap: Some wiki pages are getting very cluttered with out-dated information that will be useful to some people, particularly LTS users
[07:43] <Burgundavia> are there specific pages you mean?
[07:44] <robertj> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Server for instance
[07:44] <Burgundavia> in general if the differences are slight, seperate sections the same page are ok
[07:44] <Burgundavia> if changes are large, make a subpage
[07:45] <Burgundavia> basically, we need better methods of communication around the help wiki
[07:46] <robertj> Burgundavia: I was thinking perhaps a MoinMoin plugin to redirect based on browser version might be helpful
[07:47] <Burgundavia> that would require seperate pages for everything
[07:47] <robertj> Burgundavia: Yes, or some worse kind of markup
[07:47] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:48] <Burgundavia> I haven't seen anything that requires such a technical measure
[07:48] <Burgundavia> I would rather work on the communication side
[07:51] <robertj> Burgundavia: suggestions?
[07:52] <Burgundavia> help communicate with existing editors on the help wiki on the existing standards
[07:52] <Burgundavia> fix up those standards
[07:52] <robertj> are there any written standards?
[07:54] <Burgundavia> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
[07:54] <Burgundavia> those need work
[07:54] <Burgundavia> please add/change/disuss as you need
[07:57] <robertj> Burgundavia: btw, I just installed moin locally to poke at a few things to see what might be possible and noticed the GUI editor is actually pretty nice, is that new or is it disabled on w.u.o?
[07:57] <Burgundavia> I think we need a newer version of moin
[07:57] <Burgundavia> there is an issue with that, something to do with launchpad auth
[10:39] <ryanakca> nixternal: since you seemed to be subscribed to it, mind looking at the changes (17 to 18) I made on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwarePackagingFormats ? Good, bad, what do I change, etc
[10:40] <Burgundavia> ryanakca: good except for the debian/ubuntu change
[10:40] <Burgundavia> derivative is a very explicit word that implies understanding about how distros derive off each other