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| mdz | good day all | 05:01 |
|---|---|---|
| cjwatson | good afternoon Vietnam | 05:01 |
| mdz | I'm trying to remember which countries have holidays today | 05:01 |
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| Mithrandir | .no, .dk, .de, .fr AIUI. | 05:02 |
| bdmurray | not me | 05:02 |
| Mithrandir | I'm not really here, I'm leaving for dinner at my father's in 15-ish minutes. | 05:02 |
| mdz | that certainly accounts for a chunk | 05:02 |
| mdz | BenC: kernel team accounted for? | 05:03 |
| cjwatson | so I'm expecting BenC, bryce_, kylem, pkl, rtg | 05:03 |
| mdz | Keybuk is ill today | 05:03 |
| BenC | missing two | 05:03 |
| cjwatson | and bdmurray | 05:03 |
| mdz | and Riddell is on leave | 05:03 |
| mdz | but I believe iwj is expected | 05:03 |
| rtg_ | here | 05:04 |
| bdmurray | I'm here too | 05:04 |
| tkamppeter | .pt is not a holiday, I am here. | 05:04 |
| BenC | I think everyone thought like I did, meeting in an hour from now | 05:05 |
| cjwatson | ok | 05:05 |
| cjwatson | bryce_: ping? | 05:05 |
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| mdz | BenC: why? | 05:05 |
| BenC | 16:00 UTC == 12 noon my time | 05:05 |
| cjwatson | -!- Topic for #ubuntu-meeting: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 17 May 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | ... | 05:05 |
| mdz | oh, Scott's reminder and the distro team calendar disagree | 05:05 |
| BenC | right | 05:06 |
| mdz | I have a conflict at 1700 BST | 05:06 |
| cjwatson | iwj: ping? | 05:06 |
| mdz | if everyone is here, I'd prefer to do it now | 05:07 |
| BenC | pkl and kyle are probably not required, so I say move on, and let them catch up | 05:07 |
| cjwatson | mdz: also adilson? | 05:07 |
| mdz | he's apparently at lunch, so probably expecting 1600 UTC | 05:08 |
| mdz | cjwatson: the email I sent to you/Scott earlier outlines my current areas of interest | 05:08 |
| mdz | cjwatson: could you run the meeting at 1600 UTC for me? | 05:08 |
| cjwatson | I had been hoping to leave at 1630 UTC today | 05:09 |
| cjwatson | but I guess so | 05:09 |
| mdz | cjwatson: do you have any agenda items? | 05:10 |
| bryce_ | cjwatson: I'm here | 05:10 |
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| cjwatson | mdz: not at this point | 05:10 |
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| iwj | Hi. | 05:10 |
| iwj | Oh, now would be OK. | 05:11 |
| bryce_ | now's fine for me too | 05:11 |
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| cjwatson | why don't we just go ahead now; we seem to have nearly everyone | 05:11 |
| mdz | sounds good | 05:11 |
| cjwatson | first item is UDS output | 05:12 |
| cjwatson | all the workshops should be written up, ideally by the end of this week | 05:12 |
| mdz | Colin and Scott will review with each of you | 05:12 |
| cjwatson | if there are any parts you can't remember, the sysadmins are working on producing voice recordings, but hopefully you all have notes | 05:13 |
| mdz | it's important to have the writeups from UDS done soon, as memory fades | 05:13 |
| cjwatson | does anyone have any questions about that process? | 05:13 |
| mdz | for specs which were produced independent of UDS, the hard deadline is 31 May | 05:13 |
| mdz | but enough detail is needed at this stage for the selection process | 05:14 |
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| cjwatson | mdz and I have done an initial pass over everything we could find and tried to set priorities | 05:14 |
| mdz | everything which is concrete and feasible should be proposed as a gutsy goal | 05:14 |
| cjwatson | no doubt some things will need to be added, and others tweaked | 05:14 |
| iwj | gutsy goal> Oh, I should check that for mine. | 05:14 |
| mdz | the tech board, canonical, etc. will review the list and construct the overall roadmap | 05:15 |
| mdz | is everyone clear on what's expected for gutsy specs? | 05:16 |
| mdz | silent assent :-) | 05:16 |
| Mithrandir | is there anything different than before? | 05:17 |
| Mithrandir | I'm aware of the template changes Scott made | 05:17 |
| Mithrandir | but anything else? | 05:17 |
| mdz | the timeline we just explained | 05:17 |
| Mithrandir | I meant the content. | 05:17 |
| Mithrandir | (sorry for not being clear) | 05:17 |
| mdz | nope | 05:17 |
| cjwatson | speaking of which, the spectemplate now has a release note as a mandatory item | 05:17 |
| cjwatson | I can well imagine that a release note will not be appropriate for everything | 05:17 |
| mdz | the template has changed slightly; if it's not self-explanatory, ask | 05:18 |
| iwj | I've been writing those in the past tense even though they're in the future. I assume that's correct ? | 05:18 |
| cjwatson | how about "mandatory for user-visible items"? | 05:18 |
| cjwatson | iwj: writing which? | 05:18 |
| iwj | == Release Note == | 05:18 |
| cjwatson | yes, it's for cut-and-pasting | 05:18 |
| mdz | cjwatson: it's a good exercise to describe the value of the work, even if it's not user-visible | 05:18 |
| cjwatson | (theoretically) | 05:18 |
| iwj | I think the person assembling the release notes can decide to ditch it if it doesn't seem sufficiently interesting. | 05:18 |
| cjwatson | in that case, I will edit the template to say that not all notes will necessarily be included | 05:19 |
| mdz | it should be obvious who the approver should be for each spec, if it isn't already set | 05:19 |
| mdz | cjwatson: works for me | 05:19 |
| iwj | mdz: Do you mean that we should set the approvers or do you mean the techboard will know ? | 05:19 |
| cjwatson | if in doubt about the approver of a spec, it's the manager of the main person in Canonical responsible | 05:19 |
| iwj | Right. | 05:20 |
| mdz | iwj: you should | 05:20 |
| cjwatson | unless there's some exceptional circumstance (e.g. other expert) | 05:20 |
| mdz | otherwise it won't show up on that person's approval list | 05:20 |
| mdz | ok | 05:21 |
| mdz | we're planning a mobile mini-sprint next month, which just a few folks will attend | 05:22 |
| mdz | if you're working on a team project which would benefit from such an event, please let me know | 05:22 |
| mdz | that's pretty much all from me today | 05:22 |
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| mdz | other business for the meeting? | 05:23 |
| cjwatson | oh, other item is merges | 05:24 |
| cjwatson | I assume everyone is aware from -devel-announce that the merge-o-matic is running | 05:24 |
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| cjwatson | the gutsy release schedule calls for Debian auto-syncs to be frozen on 21 June, by which time all packages in main requiring a merge should have been merged at least once | 05:25 |
| BenC | cjwatson: any chance of getting a merges-bof for people who aren't yet familiar with the process? | 05:25 |
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| BenC | docs are currently geared toward people who already know debian packaging | 05:26 |
| mdz | I think there's an existing MOTU school bit for that | 05:26 |
| BenC | ah, maybe those docs are a bit better | 05:26 |
| cjwatson | by my count, that would be amitk, asac, bdmurray, bryce, evand, pkl, rtg, maybe kwwii | 05:26 |
| cjwatson | but it's not too critical for the kernel team or bdmurray | 05:26 |
| cjwatson | or kwwii come to that | 05:26 |
| BenC | merges seemed a good way for amitk, pkl and rtg to get into packaging | 05:26 |
| bryce_ | kees schooled brian and I on merges (but using DaD not MoM) | 05:27 |
| cjwatson | BenC: a fair point | 05:27 |
| cjwatson | if the MOTU school documentation isn't adequate, let me know and I'll be happy to run a quick bootcamp | 05:27 |
| BenC | ok | 05:27 |
| mdz | sounds like a good topic for the mailing list, as some new folks aren't at this meeting | 05:28 |
| cjwatson | to clarify, after the Debian import freeze on 21 June, merges and explicitly-requested syncs are still permitted without approval until 16 August | 05:28 |
| cjwatson | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | 05:28 |
| cjwatson | mdz: ok, that's all from me | 05:28 |
| mdz | ok | 05:29 |
| mdz | last call for other business | 05:29 |
| bdmurray | The distro sprint is in early July on that schedule right? | 05:29 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: correct, the "Developer Sprint" item | 05:29 |
| mdz | that wasn't on the calendar yet, fixing that | 05:30 |
| bdmurray | Some was trying to tell me it was August but I won't name names. | 05:30 |
| cjwatson | if it was me, I claim temporary insanity. :) | 05:30 |
| BenC | I think it was me, but I claim too much beer in Spain | 05:30 |
| bdmurray | heh | 05:31 |
| BenC | sprint is London, correct? | 05:31 |
| iwj | t | 05:31 |
| rtg_ | How many days? It starts on a Thursday. | 05:32 |
| mdz | BenC: yes | 05:32 |
| mdz | rtg_: monday-friday that week | 05:32 |
| iwj | rtg_: No, that Thursday is in the middle. | 05:32 |
| cjwatson | I'll edit the schedule to note that | 05:32 |
| iwj | All of the week-long things are on the schedule `on the Thursday' just because that's how the schedule is laid out. | 05:32 |
| ogra | BenC, dont forget the fridge magnet ;) | 05:32 |
| cjwatson | any other business? | 05:33 |
| BenC | we don't have magnets here, we staple things to the cows | 05:33 |
| ogra | so bring a cow then i heard there is lots of space ;) | 05:33 |
| mdz | ok, that's a wrap then | 05:33 |
| mdz | thanks, all. apologies for the time confusion | 05:33 |
| BenC | bye everyone | 05:33 |
| bdmurray | bye | 05:33 |
| pkl_1 | yeah, bye | 05:34 |
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| adilson | mdz: I'm here, what's up? | 05:40 |
| mdz | adilson: the weekly team meeting was held a bit early | 05:41 |
| adilson | mdz: the weekly team meeting? I'm sorry but I wasn't aware of that. | 05:42 |
| mdz | adilson: we have some catching up to do. you are subscribed to the distro-team mailing list, though, yes?L | 05:42 |
| mdz | a reminder is sent out the previous day | 05:43 |
| adilson | Sorry, I'm not. I missed this list I guess. | 05:43 |
| adilson | I'll subscribe right now. | 05:44 |
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| ubotu | Schedule for Europe/Andorra: 18 May 22:00: Forum Council | 20 May 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 22 May 22:00: Technical Board | 23 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 May 17:00: Kernel Team | 11:33 |
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