[05:01] <mdz> good day all
[05:01] <cjwatson> good afternoon Vietnam
[05:01] <mdz> I'm trying to remember which countries have holidays today
[05:02] <Mithrandir> .no, .dk, .de, .fr AIUI.
[05:02] <bdmurray> not me
[05:02] <Mithrandir> I'm not really here, I'm leaving for dinner at my father's in 15-ish minutes.
[05:02] <mdz> that certainly accounts for a chunk
[05:03] <mdz> BenC: kernel team accounted for?
[05:03] <cjwatson> so I'm expecting BenC, bryce_, kylem, pkl, rtg
[05:03] <mdz> Keybuk is ill today
[05:03] <BenC> missing two
[05:03] <cjwatson> and bdmurray
[05:03] <mdz> and Riddell is on leave
[05:03] <mdz> but I believe iwj is expected
[05:04] <rtg_> here
[05:04] <bdmurray> I'm here too
[05:04] <tkamppeter> .pt is not a holiday, I am here.
[05:05] <BenC> I think everyone thought like I did, meeting in an hour from now
[05:05] <cjwatson> ok
[05:05] <cjwatson> bryce_: ping?
[05:05] <mdz> BenC: why?
[05:05] <BenC> 16:00 UTC == 12 noon my time
[05:05] <cjwatson> -!- Topic for #ubuntu-meeting: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 17 May 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | ...
[05:05] <mdz> oh, Scott's reminder and the distro team calendar disagree
[05:06] <BenC> right
[05:06] <mdz> I have a conflict at 1700 BST
[05:06] <cjwatson> iwj: ping?
[05:07] <mdz> if everyone is here, I'd prefer to do it now
[05:07] <BenC> pkl and kyle are probably not required, so I say move on, and let them catch up
[05:07] <cjwatson> mdz: also adilson?
[05:08] <mdz> he's apparently at lunch, so probably expecting 1600 UTC
[05:08] <mdz> cjwatson: the email I sent to you/Scott earlier outlines my current areas of interest
[05:08] <mdz> cjwatson: could you run the meeting at 1600 UTC for me?
[05:09] <cjwatson> I had been hoping to leave at 1630 UTC today
[05:09] <cjwatson> but I guess so
[05:10] <mdz> cjwatson: do you have any agenda items?
[05:10] <bryce_> cjwatson: I'm here
[05:10] <cjwatson> mdz: not at this point
[05:10] <iwj> Hi.
[05:11] <iwj> Oh, now would be OK.
[05:11] <bryce_> now's fine for me too
[05:11] <cjwatson> why don't we just go ahead now; we seem to have nearly everyone
[05:11] <mdz> sounds good
[05:12] <cjwatson> first item is UDS output
[05:12] <cjwatson> all the workshops should be written up, ideally by the end of this week
[05:12] <mdz> Colin and Scott will review with each of you
[05:13] <cjwatson> if there are any parts you can't remember, the sysadmins are working on producing voice recordings, but hopefully you all have notes
[05:13] <mdz> it's important to have the writeups from UDS done soon, as memory fades
[05:13] <cjwatson> does anyone have any questions about that process?
[05:13] <mdz> for specs which were produced independent of UDS, the hard deadline is 31 May
[05:14] <mdz> but enough detail is needed at this stage for the selection process
[05:14] <cjwatson> mdz and I have done an initial pass over everything we could find and tried to set priorities
[05:14] <mdz> everything which is concrete and feasible should be proposed as a gutsy goal
[05:14] <cjwatson> no doubt some things will need to be added, and others tweaked
[05:14] <iwj> gutsy goal> Oh, I should check that for mine.
[05:15] <mdz> the tech board, canonical, etc. will review the list and construct the overall roadmap
[05:16] <mdz> is everyone clear on what's expected for gutsy specs?
[05:16] <mdz> silent assent :-)
[05:17] <Mithrandir> is there anything different than before?
[05:17] <Mithrandir> I'm aware of the template changes Scott made
[05:17] <Mithrandir> but anything else?
[05:17] <mdz> the timeline we just explained
[05:17] <Mithrandir> I meant the content.
[05:17] <Mithrandir> (sorry for not being clear)
[05:17] <mdz> nope
[05:17] <cjwatson> speaking of which, the spectemplate now has a release note as a mandatory item
[05:17] <cjwatson> I can well imagine that a release note will not be appropriate for everything
[05:18] <mdz> the template has changed slightly; if it's not self-explanatory, ask
[05:18] <iwj> I've been writing those in the past tense even though they're in the future.  I assume that's correct ?
[05:18] <cjwatson> how about "mandatory for user-visible items"?
[05:18] <cjwatson> iwj: writing which?
[05:18] <iwj> == Release Note ==
[05:18] <cjwatson> yes, it's for cut-and-pasting
[05:18] <mdz> cjwatson: it's a good exercise to describe the value of the work, even if it's not user-visible
[05:18] <cjwatson> (theoretically)
[05:18] <iwj> I think the person assembling the release notes can decide to ditch it if it doesn't seem sufficiently interesting.
[05:19] <cjwatson> in that case, I will edit the template to say that not all notes will necessarily be included
[05:19] <mdz> it should be obvious who the approver should be for each spec, if it isn't already set
[05:19] <mdz> cjwatson: works for me
[05:19] <iwj> mdz: Do you mean that we should set the approvers or do you mean the techboard will know ?
[05:19] <cjwatson> if in doubt about the approver of a spec, it's the manager of the main person in Canonical responsible
[05:20] <iwj> Right.
[05:20] <mdz> iwj: you should
[05:20] <cjwatson> unless there's some exceptional circumstance (e.g. other expert)
[05:20] <mdz> otherwise it won't show up on that person's approval list
[05:21] <mdz> ok
[05:22] <mdz> we're planning a mobile mini-sprint next month, which just a few folks will attend
[05:22] <mdz> if you're working on a team project which would benefit from such an event, please let me know
[05:22] <mdz> that's pretty much all from me today
[05:23] <mdz> other business for the meeting?
[05:24] <cjwatson> oh, other item is merges
[05:24] <cjwatson> I assume everyone is aware from -devel-announce that the merge-o-matic is running
[05:25] <cjwatson> the gutsy release schedule calls for Debian auto-syncs to be frozen on 21 June, by which time all packages in main requiring a merge should have been merged at least once
[05:25] <BenC> cjwatson: any chance of getting a merges-bof for people who aren't yet familiar with the process?
[05:26] <BenC> docs are currently geared toward people who already know debian packaging
[05:26] <mdz> I think there's an existing MOTU school bit for that
[05:26] <BenC> ah, maybe those docs are a bit better
[05:26] <cjwatson> by my count, that would be amitk, asac, bdmurray, bryce, evand, pkl, rtg, maybe kwwii
[05:26] <cjwatson> but it's not too critical for the kernel team or bdmurray
[05:26] <cjwatson> or kwwii come to that
[05:26] <BenC> merges seemed a good way for amitk, pkl and rtg to get into packaging
[05:27] <bryce_> kees schooled brian and I on merges (but using DaD not MoM)
[05:27] <cjwatson> BenC: a fair point
[05:27] <cjwatson> if the MOTU school documentation isn't adequate, let me know and I'll be happy to run a quick bootcamp
[05:27] <BenC> ok
[05:28] <mdz> sounds like a good topic for the mailing list, as some new folks aren't at this meeting
[05:28] <cjwatson> to clarify, after the Debian import freeze on 21 June, merges and explicitly-requested syncs are still permitted without approval until 16 August
[05:28] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[05:28] <cjwatson> mdz: ok, that's all from me
[05:29] <mdz> ok
[05:29] <mdz> last call for other business
[05:29] <bdmurray> The distro sprint is in early July on that schedule right?
[05:29] <cjwatson> bdmurray: correct, the "Developer Sprint" item
[05:30] <mdz> that wasn't on the calendar yet, fixing that
[05:30] <bdmurray> Some was trying to tell me it was August but I won't name names.
[05:30] <cjwatson> if it was me, I claim temporary insanity. :)
[05:30] <BenC> I think it was me, but I claim too much beer in Spain
[05:31] <bdmurray> heh
[05:31] <BenC> sprint is London, correct?
[05:31] <iwj> t
[05:32] <rtg_> How many days? It starts on a Thursday.
[05:32] <mdz> BenC: yes
[05:32] <mdz> rtg_: monday-friday that week
[05:32] <iwj> rtg_: No, that Thursday is in the middle.
[05:32] <cjwatson> I'll edit the schedule to note that
[05:32] <iwj> All of the week-long things are on the schedule `on the Thursday' just because that's how the schedule is laid out.
[05:32] <ogra> BenC, dont forget the fridge magnet ;)
[05:33] <cjwatson> any other business?
[05:33] <BenC> we don't have magnets here, we staple things to the cows
[05:33] <ogra> so bring a cow then i heard there is lots of space ;)
[05:33] <mdz> ok, that's a wrap then
[05:33] <mdz> thanks, all.  apologies for the time confusion
[05:33] <BenC> bye everyone
[05:33] <bdmurray> bye
[05:34] <pkl_1> yeah, bye
[05:40] <adilson> mdz: I'm here, what's up?
[05:41] <mdz> adilson: the weekly team meeting was held a bit early
[05:42] <adilson> mdz: the weekly team meeting? I'm sorry but I wasn't aware of that.
[05:42] <mdz> adilson: we have some catching up to do. you are subscribed to the distro-team mailing list, though, yes?L
[05:43] <mdz> a reminder  is sent out the previous day
[05:43] <adilson> Sorry, I'm not. I missed this list I guess.
[05:44] <adilson> I'll subscribe right now.
[11:33] <arualavi> @schedule Andorra
[11:33] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Andorra: 18 May 22:00: Forum Council | 20 May 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 22 May 22:00: Technical Board | 23 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 May 17:00: Kernel Team