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[05:02] not me [05:02] I'm not really here, I'm leaving for dinner at my father's in 15-ish minutes. [05:02] that certainly accounts for a chunk [05:03] BenC: kernel team accounted for? [05:03] so I'm expecting BenC, bryce_, kylem, pkl, rtg [05:03] Keybuk is ill today [05:03] missing two [05:03] and bdmurray [05:03] and Riddell is on leave [05:03] but I believe iwj is expected [05:04] here [05:04] I'm here too [05:04] .pt is not a holiday, I am here. [05:05] I think everyone thought like I did, meeting in an hour from now [05:05] ok [05:05] bryce_: ping? === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:05] BenC: why? [05:05] 16:00 UTC == 12 noon my time [05:05] -!- Topic for #ubuntu-meeting: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 17 May 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | ... [05:05] oh, Scott's reminder and the distro team calendar disagree [05:06] right [05:06] I have a conflict at 1700 BST [05:06] iwj: ping? [05:07] if everyone is here, I'd prefer to do it now [05:07] pkl and kyle are probably not required, so I say move on, and let them catch up [05:07] mdz: also adilson? [05:08] he's apparently at lunch, so probably expecting 1600 UTC [05:08] cjwatson: the email I sent to you/Scott earlier outlines my current areas of interest [05:08] cjwatson: could you run the meeting at 1600 UTC for me? [05:09] I had been hoping to leave at 1630 UTC today [05:09] but I guess so [05:10] cjwatson: do you have any agenda items? [05:10] cjwatson: I'm here === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:10] mdz: not at this point === pkl_1 [n=phillip@unaffiliated/pkl/x-764568] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:10] Hi. [05:11] Oh, now would be OK. [05:11] now's fine for me too === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AF74D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:11] why don't we just go ahead now; we seem to have nearly everyone [05:11] sounds good [05:12] first item is UDS output [05:12] all the workshops should be written up, ideally by the end of this week [05:12] Colin and Scott will review with each of you [05:13] if there are any parts you can't remember, the sysadmins are working on producing voice recordings, but hopefully you all have notes [05:13] it's important to have the writeups from UDS done soon, as memory fades [05:13] does anyone have any questions about that process? [05:13] for specs which were produced independent of UDS, the hard deadline is 31 May [05:14] but enough detail is needed at this stage for the selection process === amitk_ [n=amit@a81-197-130-222.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:14] mdz and I have done an initial pass over everything we could find and tried to set priorities [05:14] everything which is concrete and feasible should be proposed as a gutsy goal [05:14] no doubt some things will need to be added, and others tweaked [05:14] gutsy goal> Oh, I should check that for mine. [05:15] the tech board, canonical, etc. will review the list and construct the overall roadmap [05:16] is everyone clear on what's expected for gutsy specs? [05:16] silent assent :-) [05:17] is there anything different than before? [05:17] I'm aware of the template changes Scott made [05:17] but anything else? [05:17] the timeline we just explained [05:17] I meant the content. [05:17] (sorry for not being clear) [05:17] nope [05:17] speaking of which, the spectemplate now has a release note as a mandatory item [05:17] I can well imagine that a release note will not be appropriate for everything [05:18] the template has changed slightly; if it's not self-explanatory, ask [05:18] I've been writing those in the past tense even though they're in the future. I assume that's correct ? [05:18] how about "mandatory for user-visible items"? [05:18] iwj: writing which? [05:18] == Release Note == [05:18] yes, it's for cut-and-pasting [05:18] cjwatson: it's a good exercise to describe the value of the work, even if it's not user-visible [05:18] (theoretically) [05:18] I think the person assembling the release notes can decide to ditch it if it doesn't seem sufficiently interesting. [05:19] in that case, I will edit the template to say that not all notes will necessarily be included [05:19] it should be obvious who the approver should be for each spec, if it isn't already set [05:19] cjwatson: works for me [05:19] mdz: Do you mean that we should set the approvers or do you mean the techboard will know ? [05:19] if in doubt about the approver of a spec, it's the manager of the main person in Canonical responsible [05:20] Right. [05:20] iwj: you should [05:20] unless there's some exceptional circumstance (e.g. other expert) [05:20] otherwise it won't show up on that person's approval list [05:21] ok [05:22] we're planning a mobile mini-sprint next month, which just a few folks will attend [05:22] if you're working on a team project which would benefit from such an event, please let me know [05:22] that's pretty much all from me today === emonkey [n=emonkey@static-pro-212-101-27-121.adsl.solnet.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:23] other business for the meeting? [05:24] oh, other item is merges [05:24] I assume everyone is aware from -devel-announce that the merge-o-matic is running === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:25] the gutsy release schedule calls for Debian auto-syncs to be frozen on 21 June, by which time all packages in main requiring a merge should have been merged at least once [05:25] cjwatson: any chance of getting a merges-bof for people who aren't yet familiar with the process? === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:26] docs are currently geared toward people who already know debian packaging [05:26] I think there's an existing MOTU school bit for that [05:26] ah, maybe those docs are a bit better [05:26] by my count, that would be amitk, asac, bdmurray, bryce, evand, pkl, rtg, maybe kwwii [05:26] but it's not too critical for the kernel team or bdmurray [05:26] or kwwii come to that [05:26] merges seemed a good way for amitk, pkl and rtg to get into packaging [05:27] kees schooled brian and I on merges (but using DaD not MoM) [05:27] BenC: a fair point [05:27] if the MOTU school documentation isn't adequate, let me know and I'll be happy to run a quick bootcamp [05:27] ok [05:28] sounds like a good topic for the mailing list, as some new folks aren't at this meeting [05:28] to clarify, after the Debian import freeze on 21 June, merges and explicitly-requested syncs are still permitted without approval until 16 August [05:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule [05:28] mdz: ok, that's all from me [05:29] ok [05:29] last call for other business [05:29] The distro sprint is in early July on that schedule right? [05:29] bdmurray: correct, the "Developer Sprint" item [05:30] that wasn't on the calendar yet, fixing that [05:30] Some was trying to tell me it was August but I won't name names. [05:30] if it was me, I claim temporary insanity. :) [05:30] I think it was me, but I claim too much beer in Spain [05:31] heh [05:31] sprint is London, correct? [05:31] t [05:32] How many days? It starts on a Thursday. [05:32] BenC: yes [05:32] rtg_: monday-friday that week [05:32] rtg_: No, that Thursday is in the middle. [05:32] I'll edit the schedule to note that [05:32] All of the week-long things are on the schedule `on the Thursday' just because that's how the schedule is laid out. [05:32] BenC, dont forget the fridge magnet ;) [05:33] any other business? [05:33] we don't have magnets here, we staple things to the cows [05:33] so bring a cow then i heard there is lots of space ;) [05:33] ok, that's a wrap then [05:33] thanks, all. apologies for the time confusion [05:33] bye everyone [05:33] bye [05:34] yeah, bye === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === adilson [n=adilson@200.146.40.59.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:40] mdz: I'm here, what's up? [05:41] adilson: the weekly team meeting was held a bit early [05:42] mdz: the weekly team meeting? I'm sorry but I wasn't aware of that. [05:42] adilson: we have some catching up to do. you are subscribed to the distro-team mailing list, though, yes?L [05:43] a reminder is sent out the previous day [05:43] Sorry, I'm not. I missed this list I guess. 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