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| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) mdz: I think recent dpkg-source have been fixed to ignore most bzr/git stuff they failed to ignore in the past | 11:42 | |
| mdz | lool: ah, we haven't merged dpkg yet in gutsy | 11:43 |
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| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) tko: debian/ in upstream VCS is fine, but it's painful in tarballs | 11:43 | |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) mdz: Then you have a good motivation to do so :) | 11:43 | |
| === lool . o O ( I suppose the apt-getable archive isn't interesting for the tarballs if Ubuntu takes SVN snapshots of the upstream sources ) | ||
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) mdz: Are you recommending the use of native packages because it makes it easier to build/upload stuff from bzr checkouts? | 11:46 | |
| mdz | lool: yep | 11:47 |
| mdz | lool: combined with the fact that there are no upstream tarball releases | 11:47 |
| tko | would there be much benefit from us doing real tarball releases? | 11:52 |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) tko: Speaking for Debian, which is currently *not* packaging hildon, there certainly would be benefit for other distros | 11:54 | |
| tko | right. annoying that being both upstream maintainer and packager doing so means extra work :-/ | 12:01 |
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| mdz | lool: do you know of any reason why Debian could not adopt Ubuntu's packages verbatim? | 12:16 |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) mdz: Some developers have complained about the changelog entries, and they usually need some checks to meet Debian standards | 12:17 | |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) mdz: Check libhildon, it has a couple of lintian errors | 12:17 | |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) The copyright file is mostly clean, but Debian ftpmasters would require a download URL | 12:18 | |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) etc; | 12:18 | |
| mdz | lool: I haven't seen tollef's new package, but with the old hildon-libs one, the only issue was the lack of descriptions | 12:18 |
| mdz | which we have a plan to clean up later, not blocking entry into the archive for that | 12:18 |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) debhelper build-dep is >= 4 while debian/compat says 5 | 12:18 | |
| mdz | lool: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-maemo-packaging-cleanup | 12:19 |
| mdz | I added incorrect debhelper deps to the list; please feel free to add other problems you find | 12:19 |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) mdz: Thanks, didn't know about this spec | 12:20 | |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) mdz: Coincidentally, I wondered this morning on #debian-devel-french whether anybody would be interesting about having hildon packages in Debian, and mentionned some use cases | 12:22 | |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) It seems no awake french DD has particular interest on the packages though | 12:23 | |
| mdz | if anyone has such an interest, please point them to bzr | 12:23 |
| mdz | so that we can stay in sync | 12:23 |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) mdz: I will; any shared source repository for packages is always a good idea | 12:24 | |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) mdz: Is this MaemoPackagingCleanup supposed to happen on upstream debian/ or only in Ubuntu's bzr? | 12:28 | |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) Do some people here already commit on the upstream debian/? | 12:28 | |
| mdz | all of our work will go into bzr | 12:29 |
| mdz | if it can be merged from there to upstream, that would be good | 12:29 |
| mdz | or if upstream would prefer to remove the packaging from svn and let that part happen in bzr, that's also ok | 12:30 |
| mdz | but we definitely want it to be decentralized | 12:30 |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) (I understand that we want the changes to end up in the bzr, but I was wondering whether we could do them "upstream" in the SVN, and merge that in bzr from the upstream branch) | 12:31 | |
| mdz | lool: the point of using bzr is that anyone can create a branch and we can easily merge between them | 12:34 |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) Sure, I understand how Debian could create a debian branch and benefit from sharing the same repository; it's just that "upstream" is currently using SVN which makes me wonder whether changing debian/ in bzr is the best way to go -- but indeed, would they use bzr, they would have an easy time pulling the fixes :-) | 12:37 | |
| mdz | lool: we require the ability to grant commit access, including the packaging, to ubuntu mobile developers | 12:44 |
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| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) Ah, dpkg-source -i doesn't work on native packages | 01:10 | |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) Needs -I.bzr instead | 01:11 | |
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| webjames | Hello | 02:39 |
| webjames | is this the only information at the moment: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded | 02:39 |
| webjames | will is have sms, and dialing using gsm? | 02:41 |
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| mdz | Mithrandir: hi | 03:13 |
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| Mithrandir | mdz: hiya | 04:51 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: checking in to see how the hildon packaging is going | 04:52 |
| Mithrandir | webjames: that would depend on the people distributing hardware. We are currently working on the software stack and I am not aware of GSM capabilities of any of the current target platforms. | 04:52 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: it's a public holiday in Norway so I'm not really here. | 04:53 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: oh, norway too? | 04:53 |
| Mithrandir | yes. Doubly so, both Ascension day and constitution day. | 04:53 |
| Mithrandir | so lots of people out in the streets with classical clothes on and such. | 04:54 |
| mdz | what fun | 04:56 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: let's catch up tomorrow then | 04:56 |
| Mithrandir | sounds good. | 04:57 |
| Mithrandir | have you seen any guide to what bits should be packaged first yet? | 04:57 |
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| mdz | Mithrandir: no response to my inquiries, suspect it may be a holiday in finland as well | 05:52 |
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| ferulo | yup, it's holiday here | 06:36 |
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| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) Concerning the descriptions: I found out that Maemo has a nicely documented trademark policy, but it might be a bit painful to use this name in the source packages; there are plenty of rules to follow, such as using the (TM) symbol, or avoiding "based on maemo" in favor of "incorporating maemo"; so I recommend avoiding "maemo" altogether, except perhaps for the Homepage link | 07:33 | |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) Links to TM policies: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010234.html | 07:33 | |
| adilson | lool: I've being looking at this a few days ago but, according to mdz, this should not be a problem as we are refering to maemo itself, not naming anything after it. | 07:42 |
| (lool/#ubuntu-mobile) I suppose it would be fair use; I wondered about it for a Debian "pkg-maemo" project | 07:44 | |
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