[06:57] <Admiral_Chicago> and i'm back off my hiatus to begin work :)
[12:15] <gnomefreak> thats really odd
[12:20] <asac> what :)
[12:22] <gnomefreak> ben uploaded kernel meta ~36hours ago
[12:22] <gnomefreak> i havent seen update for it yet
[12:23] <gnomefreak> do you have link for NEW query by chance id like to see if it made it that far
[12:24] <asac> htere is an url somewhere
[12:24] <asac> but I don't know
[12:24] <asac> maybe the bot?
[12:24] <asac> !new
[12:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about new - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:24] <gnomefreak> no he wouldnt know
[12:25] <asac> then i don't know :)
[12:25] <asac> if you know let me know :)
[12:25] <asac> i wondered multiple times as well
[12:25] <gnomefreak> ill find out :)
[12:30] <gnomefreak> asac: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[12:31] <asac> hehe ... easy ... but not obvious
[12:31] <asac> most of us have holidays
[12:31] <asac> so might take some time .)
[12:31] <asac> in europe
[12:31] <gnomefreak> why is engmail in rejected :(
[12:32] <asac> should be in now
[12:32] <gnomefreak> ko
[12:32] <gnomefreak> k
[12:32] <asac> what do you see in gutsy?
[12:32] <asac> 0.95?
[12:33] <gnomefreak> 2:0.95.0-0ubuntu3
[12:33] <asac> ok
[12:33] <asac> thats the latest
[12:33] <asac> if you have it ... fine
[12:33] <gnomefreak> i do
[12:34] <gnomefreak> pocket == release mean it was pushed out of NEW?
[12:43] <asac> no idea ;)
[12:44] <asac> i actually don't want to know. I just want to get an email if things go wrong ... which unfortunately doesn't happen atm
[12:46] <gnomefreak> the archive admins dont let you know if ther eis a problem?
[12:46] <asac> they don't recognize it quickly enough
[12:46] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:46] <asac> i mean ... its not a problem if a thing goes to new
[12:47] <asac> but if i don't get a mail, then i don't remember to ask them to give them a fasttrack
[12:47] <asac> so enigmail was in binary new for more than a week
[12:47] <gnomefreak> ouch
[12:47] <asac> with mail this wouldn't have happened :)
[12:48] <asac> of course one could say, that I should remember :) ... but imo using brain power would be wasted that way.
[12:48] <gnomefreak> oh btw there might be an issue with engmail give me a few hours and i will let you know
[12:48] <asac> an issue?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> asac: you can only remember so many things
[12:49] <gnomefreak> yes like it doesnt work
[12:49] <asac> haven't seen a bug mail about that so far
[12:49] <gnomefreak> i tried sending a signed email to mikeb from the forums about the graphics thing and it wouldnt sign it
[12:49] <gnomefreak> i havent filed one yet
[12:50] <gnomefreak> i want to make sure it wasnt a fluke first
[12:52] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm
[12:53] <gnomefreak> it freezes
[12:53] <gnomefreak> as soon as i hit send it freeze and become unresponsive
[12:55] <gnomefreak> the message i typed once i hit send it now just says Enigmail and i cant do anything with tbird at all
[12:55] <asac> gnomefreak: any errors in Error Console?
[12:55] <asac> e.g. Tools->Error Console I guess
[12:56] <gnomefreak> 1000      6647  7.1 17.9 164104 45776 ?        Sl   06:54   0:08 /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderb
[12:56] <gnomefreak> that is process ill check console now
[12:56] <gnomefreak> no i wont
[12:57] <gnomefreak> it is frozen i cant get into console let me try opening console than sending email
[12:57] <asac> signing works for me
[12:57] <gnomefreak> if i kill the gpg process it kills the signing and unfreezes
[12:57] <asac> sending encrypted as well
[12:58] <asac> maybe your keyring is messed up?
[12:58] <asac> can you sign from the command line still?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> not sure how to
[12:59] <gnomefreak> cant read error console
[12:59] <asac> find out :) man gpg
[12:59] <asac> i guess its gpg --clearsign FILENAME_TO_SIGN
[12:59] <asac> or clear-sign or whatever
[12:59] <asac> look man
[12:59] <asac> :)
[01:00] <gnomefreak> trying something first
[01:00] <asac> tbird works for me like a charm :)
[01:00] <asac> actually i think i should upload icedove :)
[01:00] <asac> to debian ;)
[01:00] <asac> today i might have the time needed
[01:00] <asac> so ill do
[01:01] <gnomefreak> icedove 2.0*
[01:02] <gnomefreak> that was no help at all
[01:03] <gnomefreak> hmmm when i added email to my key should i have uploaded to keyservers?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> although it was working after that
[01:06] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[01:07] <gnomefreak> i wonder if changing my LP page changed my @ubuntu.com address
[01:10] <asac> does the key manager in enigmail still work?
[01:10] <asac> e.g. like refreshing keys et al
[01:11] <gnomefreak> it seems to
[01:12] <gnomefreak> i dont get it the body of the message once i hit send dissappears and is replaced with work Enigmail
[01:12] <gnomefreak> iirc works fine on feisty
[01:14] <gnomefreak> trying something else ill let you know. im really wondering if changing the name of LP page changed ubuntu.com email and it cant find it because its not gnomefreak@ubuntu.com anylonger
[01:15] <gnomefreak> asac: can you send mail to gnomefreak@ubuntu.com lets see if i get it
[01:26] <asac> j
[01:26] <asac> y
[01:26] <asac> sent
[01:26] <gnomefreak> it freezes no matter what my LP page says
[01:27] <gnomefreak> i purged thunderbird and enigmail and started over and its still freezing
[01:28] <gnomefreak> and killed old profile and started clean
[01:28] <gnomefreak> there has to be something wrong
[01:29] <asac> hmmm ... no duplicate reported yet
[01:29] <gnomefreak> when i click to sign it thunderbird process cpu% raises and stays there
[01:29] <gnomefreak> s/sign/send
[01:29] <asac> other extensions installed?
[01:29] <asac> does verifying signed mails work?
[01:29] <gnomefreak> no its a clean install with clean prfile
[01:30] <asac> is OpenPGP -> About broken?
[01:30] <gnomefreak> asac: dont know dont have one
[01:30] <gnomefreak> no
[01:30] <asac> what does it show?
[01:30] <asac> 550 <gnomefreak@ubuntu.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table
[01:30] <gnomefreak> lead devel
[01:30] <gnomefreak> thats what i was thinking
[01:31] <gnomefreak> changing my LP name fucked it up and when i changed it back to gnomefreak it never fixed itself
[01:31] <asac> check if you can sign on command-line :)
[01:31] <asac> before that i am not really inclined to digg around :)
[01:32] <asac> ensure that you have choosen a valid pgp identity
[01:32] <asac> as well
[01:32] <gnomefreak> its the only one i have
[01:33] <gnomefreak> yes i can sign from cli
[01:33] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Gutsy:~/saved_files$ gpg --clearsign bookmarks
[01:33] <gnomefreak> You need a passphrase to unlock the secret key for
[01:33] <gnomefreak> user: "John Vivirito <gnomefreak@ubuntu.com>"
[01:33] <gnomefreak> 1024-bit DSA key, ID 3C1C3C2A, created 2006-03-07
[01:33] <asac> k check identity in account settings
[01:33] <asac> is that correct there?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> we found out
[01:34] <asac> what?
[01:35] <gnomefreak> when i changed my LP name it fucked the address up hes resetting it i think
[01:35] <gnomefreak> im in #canonical-sysadmin getting help
[01:36] <gnomefreak> that will atleast fix the 505 error
[01:36] <gnomefreak> i mean 550 error
[01:36] <asac> why did you change lp name
[01:36] <asac> ?
[01:36] <gnomefreak> i dont remmeber :(
[01:43] <gnomefreak> this should fix it ;)
[01:45] <gnomefreak> oh btw on the forums we will have ubuntu mozilla team rank soon
[01:45] <gnomefreak> you would have to email mikeb after its set up to get it added to you
[01:46] <asac> added to me?
[01:46] <asac> i don't want to have a rank ;)
[01:46] <gnomefreak> if you want it yes
[01:46] <asac> i have the ubuntu developer emblem :)
[01:46] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:46] <asac> should be enough to attract people ... we will soon need :)
[01:47] <asac> i need dapper helpers :)
[01:47] <gnomefreak> i asked for it to be made to help get peoples attention lets hope it works
[01:48] <asac> if you don't post on forums then they won't see anyway
[01:48] <gnomefreak> i am going to start now that they changed alot of it
[02:22] <gnomefreak> asac: your working on icedove for sid?
[02:32] <asac> y
[02:35] <gnomefreak> ok
[02:36] <asac> i am really behind
[02:36] <asac> people get unhappy :)
[02:36] <asac> they have been since the beginning
[02:37] <asac> but now i feel their complains become more and more valid every day :)
[02:37] <gnomefreak> they wil get over it ;)
[02:43] <asac> upload is now almost ready
[02:43] <asac> one more testspin
[02:43] <asac> then icedove gets up to NEW
[02:47] <asac> ok gone till tonight
[02:47] <gnomefreak> k cu later
[03:31] <gnomefreak> asac: its enigmail or tbird that is causing this. new profile new ~/.gnupg without the ubuntu.com address added reinstalled tbird and enigmail in gutsy and it still freezes when it should be signing email. body of message after hitting send says Enigmail and that is it. refreshed keys from keyservers also. im out of ideas now, maybe a lib that was upgraded interfers with it (i dont know)
[03:49] <gnomefreak> its finally fixed, damn i hate that crap.
[05:30] <asac> gnomefreak: what?
[06:02] <gnomefreak> i fixed tbird
[06:02] <gnomefreak> where is there a svg of the mozilla logo?
[06:03] <gnomefreak> and does it fit within license to use it on forums in the rank graphics?
[06:11] <asac> hehe
[06:11] <asac> obviously not
[06:12] <asac> firefox logo has heavy copyright and there is no public svg available for that
[06:12] <asac> what is the problem with tbird?
[06:12] <asac> or ... what was the problem with your tbird ;)
[06:21] <gnomefreak> enigmail freezing tbird i restarted pc and it worked :( im off to an appt. be back later.
[06:24] <asac> tse
[06:24] <asac> ;)
[06:24] <asac> thunderbird running
[06:25] <asac> i hate debian uploads :) ... always with binaries
[10:44] <gnomefreak> !moztest
[10:44] <ubotu> The Mozilla-testing repos can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives. Please remember these are testing repos, the packages in these repos are not stable and may break things on your system. Use with caution. Please report bugs found from these packages to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives/Bugs.
[10:47] <gnomefreak> asac: did you poke one of the archive admins to find out if something is wrong?
[10:47] <asac> about what?
[10:47] <gnomefreak> iceape
[10:47] <gnomefreak> linux-meta :(
[10:47] <asac> no ... since most are on holiday :)
[10:48] <gnomefreak> oh thats right today is german/NL/dutch holiday
[10:48] <asac> y
[10:48] <gnomefreak> its beena long day
[10:48] <asac> even longer her for now :)
[10:49] <asac> hehe
[10:49] <asac> i don't work all the time :)
[10:49] <gnomefreak> true
[10:49] <asac> but usually i do more on computer than just work :)
[10:49] <asac> like talking in ubuntu-motu-torrent right now :)
[10:49] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:50] <asac> gnomefreak: can we talk a bit about release policy for preview archives?
[10:51] <gnomefreak> yes
[10:51] <asac> lets maintain at least for feisty archive some level of stability
[10:51] <asac> :)
[10:51] <gnomefreak> asac: they are all stable for most part
[10:51] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:51] <asac> mostly like providing backports, e.g. firefox-preview/trunk and tbird 2.0 for now
[10:51] <asac> hehe
[10:52] <asac> i mean i will call for constant testing with focussed testing periods soon on forums and load will go up of archive :)
[10:52] <gnomefreak> i need to make a feisty chroot on my gutsy sys and see why trunk wont build
[10:54] <gnomefreak> asac: i would like to have some sort of way to tell whos testing what. if we are going to backport tbird or whatever i would like a way to say its been tested for this ling
[10:54] <gnomefreak> long.
[10:54] <gnomefreak> but now we have issues to look at with that
[10:55] <gnomefreak> last i heard and i havent gotten to jdong about this yet but he has a bug that he stated hes going to backport tbird2.0 i would rather us release it to the backport team rather then not touch it. this way if ther eis issues we are informed right away during our test builds, not to mention we have already really done all the work on that
[10:58] <asac> so what is your idea?
[10:58] <asac> what shall we do when we have some kind of backport for instance?
[10:58] <asac> like now
[10:58] <asac> whom to tell to do the backport?
[10:58] <asac> or is this not what you suggest?
[10:58] <asac> gnomefreak: ?
[10:59] <asac> gnomefreak: my idea is like this:
[10:59] <gnomefreak> i suggest we do all the work than either give the backport team the source to build it as is. with our patches with our work inside it (so we are consistent) and they can respin or upload as needed
[11:00] <asac> yes ... but that is if we have enough testing done, right?
[11:00] <gnomefreak> hint we already have tbird2.0 just about ready for backporting
[11:00] <asac> there are no changes needed atm, right?
[11:01] <gnomefreak> right but how do we say we have tested this app for 2 months (and beable to show it)
[11:01] <asac> ah ok ... keeping better records
[11:01] <asac> ok
[11:01] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont really know i will look at it
[11:01] <asac> actually my idea is like this:
[11:01] <asac> we setup tasks descriptions on wiki
[11:01] <gnomefreak> asac: john doe comes to us says i would like to test iceape on feisty? how do we use this for our good
[11:01] <asac> like "dedicated feisty preview tester"
[11:02] <gnomefreak> asac: that could work
[11:02] <gnomefreak> thats what the idea behind the testing team was
[11:02] <asac> then we setup general testplans those volunteers should test whenever they get a new release
[11:02] <gnomefreak> and they were there not as general screw around with unstalbe apps but more of a testing this with this arch against these odds or with these apps installed
[11:03] <asac> in addition we announce special testing focus, like: we are trying fixes for plugin stuff ... this might break plugins, please use plugins extensively now for a while :)
[11:03] <gnomefreak> this sounds good
[11:03] <asac> ok, what QA jobs do we have?
[11:04] <asac> definitly we should have dedicated dapper testers
[11:04] <gnomefreak> i havent thought that far into
[11:04] <asac> the sooner the better
[11:04] <gnomefreak> we have no dapper repo
[11:04] <gnomefreak> i guess its time to make it ;)
[11:04] <asac> no ... but we will definitly need one
[11:04] <asac> there might be a huge transition
[11:04] <asac> :)
[11:05] <asac> like ... everything needs rebuild because firefox 2 is coming :)
[11:05] <gnomefreak> i would like something up on gutsy repo before we make a dapper one so "I" know im doing it right
[11:05] <asac> actually i am unsure about gutsy repo
[11:05] <asac> maybe its good because the most wicked testers might want to run gutsy
[11:05] <gnomefreak> should i change it to dapper
[11:06] <asac> normal things can be tested by just uploading to gutsy and see :)
[11:06] <gnomefreak> should we make an edgy one to slap icepae in due to removal of mozilla-suite
[11:07] <gnomefreak> gutsy is our concern to get our things in there not so much testing because it will get testing by the gutsy testers
[11:07] <asac> gnomefreak: actually i would like to concentrate on some important things for now
[11:07] <asac> if we have more time you can provide edgy repo as well :)
[11:07] <gnomefreak> k
[11:08] <gnomefreak> what do we want in dapper repo. ffox2 and tbird2?
[11:08] <asac> tbird not now :)
[11:08] <asac> ffox is enough ;)
[11:08] <asac> god safe me
[11:08] <asac> anyone things he can handle this tonight ... so when i wake up everything is done :)
[11:08] <gnomefreak> ok are we building against the nss and nspr we use now or use the ones in dapper?
[11:08] <asac> thinks
[11:08] <asac> i am not yet sure
[11:08] <asac> i think we don't want to do that
[11:09] <asac> whichi would be unfortunate because we will diverge from current one right from the beginning
[11:09] <asac> meaning yet another tree to manage
[11:09] <gnomefreak> i will set up feisty and dapper chroots over night into tomorrow and start getting ready for the builds i will change repo info to dapper instead of gutsy
[11:10] <asac> gnomefreak: look at rdepends of firefox and libnss3 and libnspr4 :)
[11:10] <asac> those need a respin
[11:10] <gnomefreak> mozilla apps are not the only thing that depends on nss and nspr right?
[11:10] <asac> and after dist-upgrade, no crashes must occur
[11:10] <asac> hehe
[11:10] <asac> not ... and even worse ... there are apps depending on firefox unstable api
[11:10] <asac> apt-cache rdepends <packagename>
[11:10] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[11:11] <gnomefreak> major project backporting ffox btw
[11:11] <gnomefreak> can you say holy frigging shit
[11:12] <asac> yeah
[11:12] <gnomefreak> this is a month worth of work for the 2 of us
[11:12] <gnomefreak> i only checked rdepends firefocx
[11:12] <gnomefreak> fox
[11:13] <gnomefreak> biggest issue IMO yelp
[11:13] <gnomefreak> biggest issue IMO   xubuntu-desktop
[11:13] <gnomefreak>  |xdg-utils
[11:13] <gnomefreak>   ubuntu-serverguide
[11:13] <gnomefreak>   ubuntu-desktop
[11:13] <asac> check in dapper
[11:13] <asac> first we concentrate on main
[11:13] <asac> then universe
[11:13] <gnomefreak> flash and a bunch of others. i cant check dapper yet
[11:13] <asac> yeah flash might be a problem as well :)
[11:14] <gnomefreak> ok ill start on dapper chroot now.
[11:14] <gnomefreak> should be done by end of night
[11:14] <asac> yes ... lets get started :(
[11:14] <gnomefreak> just dapper right now right?
[11:15] <asac> maybe take feisty firefox to start :)
[11:15] <asac> if it fails to build ... then we should use new package and make proper package
[11:15] <gnomefreak> ok ill build feisty tonight too
[11:15] <asac> but if it works its a good start
[11:15] <asac> no ... build feisty version in dapper :)
[11:15] <asac> then install that
[11:15] <asac> and build rdepends
[11:15] <asac> one by one
[11:15] <asac> :)
[11:15] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:15] <asac> start with epiphany-browser and hope that it doesn't fail to build :)
[11:16] <gnomefreak> ok let me get started you may have to remind me depending when i get done
[11:16] <gnomefreak> it will
[11:16] <gnomefreak> you know it will
[11:16] <asac> locales won't be much of a problem ... so you won't need to test them
[11:17] <asac> ... for now :)
[11:18] <gnomefreak> ok its building basic chroot atm im going for smoke to swallow all this work ahead.  i can honsetly say it wont be boring!
[11:22] <asac> hehe
[11:22] <asac> yes, thats the right attitude i guess
[11:22] <asac> :)
[11:24] <gnomefreak> where should i grab source from bzr, preview archive, or package.ubuntu.com?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> and should i use the latest upstream source?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> source from ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest-2.0/source/firefox-2.0.0.3-source.tar.bz2
[11:29] <gnomefreak> ok grabbing source just need to know what build to use of the 3 choices above
[11:35] <asac> hmm
[11:36] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:36] <asac> if you use bzr you need to use nss
[11:36] <asac> and nspr as well
[11:36] <asac> let me think a while
[11:36] <gnomefreak> than lets use the one from packages.ubuntu.com?
[11:36] <gnomefreak> you have plenty of time
[11:52] <gnomefreak> goes to set alias for rdepends before i forget
[11:52] <gnomefreak> im gonna ban him :(
[11:53] <gnomefreak> grrrrrrr
[12:00] <asac> he?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> some annoying guy that loves to highlight me thinking i have answer to all problems
[12:01] <gnomefreak> hopefully he stopped
[12:04] <asac> i hate regexps