[12:58] <gardengnome> Daviey: pong
[01:00] <Daviey> hey
[01:00] <gardengnome> :)
[01:00] <gardengnome> sup?
[01:00] <Daviey> How's the mythweb stuff going?
[01:01] <Daviey> From what i heard you talking about - are you adding htaccess? :)
[01:01] <gardengnome> for svn? i haven't had time/incentive ;) to work on it more. it *should* be working, but i haven't tried it yet completely because i coudln't get a feisty vm running
[01:01] <gardengnome> no
[01:01] <gardengnome> although that'd be a good idea.
[01:01] <gardengnome> shouldn't be too hard
[01:02] <Daviey> I think that would be great - it's crazy not having htaccess already!
[01:02] <gardengnome> yup
[01:02] <Daviey> if you google, there are lots of unsecured mythwebs!
[01:02] <gardengnome> i thought it was in place already till i installed feisty.
[01:03] <gardengnome> heh
[01:03] <Daviey> What's new in svn mythweb?
[01:03] <gardengnome> true
[01:03] <gardengnome> um
[01:03] <gardengnome> there's a new editor for the settings table AFAIK
[01:03] <gardengnome> the mp3act code is there for mythmusic, although i dunno if that wasn't in 0.20 already
[01:04] <grndslm> you guys ever use lvm?
[01:04] <gardengnome> i haven't had a chance to take a closer look because the main board in the myth box broke and i just can't be bothered to replace it at the moment.
[01:04] <Daviey> grndslm, yeah
[01:05] <gardengnome> Daviey: oh, streaming support is improved. if you provide your own flash video player, you can even have something like youtube.
[01:05] <grndslm> Daviey:  have you ever had a problem with myth filling up the drive?
[01:05] <gardengnome> Daviey: in 0.21, mythweb will come with its own flash player :)
[01:05] <Daviey> gardengnome, Are you adding your new mythweb packages to universe?
[01:05] <grndslm> Daviey:  the 2 drives i was using are apparently full now, and i can't mount the logical volume anymore...
[01:05] <grndslm> :-(
[01:06] <Daviey> grndslm, hmm - set myth to autoexpire, and leave free space :)
[01:06] <gardengnome> Daviey: no. svn trunk packages don't belong into universe. they need to be kept well-hidden in a separate repository
[01:06] <grndslm> Daviey:  it was set to do that
[01:06] <grndslm> and leave at least a gig or two free, but...it didn't listen
[01:06] <gardengnome> Daviey: if i get around to making the htaccess stuff happen, i'm sure these changes will propagate to universe :)
[01:06] <Daviey> grndslm, is it a permissions problem?
[01:06] <grndslm> Daviey:  no, i'd catch something like that
[01:07] <Daviey> gardengnome, do you want a hand adding htaccess?
[01:07] <gardengnome> mythtv tends to fill up my hard disk as well although i told it to leave space free. it's probably mythtranscode who doesn't respect this, or some temp files might interfere
[01:07] <Daviey> grndslm, and it won't let you _mount_ it?
[01:07] <grndslm> pvdisplay (or was it lvdisplay) kept saying that both drives are full...
[01:07] <grndslm> i'm not at the computer now, internet's down at my apt...
[01:08] <gardengnome> Daviey: no, i really should learn debconf. that's a good opportunity
[01:08] <Daviey> gardengnome, good stuff!  look forward to seeing it
[01:08] <grndslm> Daviey: yes, a simple mount /dev/BigVG/Filez /archive should have done it...but kept saying bad superblock or whatever the crappy mount error is
[01:08] <gardengnome> Daviey: if i don't talk to you till sunday or so, please feel free to bug me again about it. i've promised a lot of things already but real life keeps interfering.
[01:08] <gardengnome> the svn packages themselves already look quite good, though
[01:09] <gardengnome> new GF is time consuming. heh. :)
[01:09] <Daviey> grndslm, might be worth running fsck
[01:09] <grndslm> Daviey:  and if that doesn't work?
[01:09] <Daviey> gardengnome, you need to lock yourself in a room (soundproof'd)
[01:09] <grndslm> there's no way i can mount it...and i'd have to start over?
[01:10] <Daviey> grndslm, to be honest - i can't be too much help - it 'just works' here
[01:10] <gardengnome> Daviey: that's no fun :)
[01:10] <Daviey> grndslm, should be recoverable tho
[01:10] <gardengnome> ok, i got to go. it's 1am here
[01:10] <grndslm> Daviey:  yea, i know what ya mean...not sure why myth let it overflow
[01:11] <Daviey> grndslm, might sound obv. but have you tried googling the exact error message's your receiving?
[01:11] <Daviey> gardengnome, nn
[01:11] <grndslm> Daviey:  that's the thing...don't have internet at the mythbox anymore
[01:12] <grndslm> but only errors i got basically said logical volume was full, and the typically regular mount superblock error
[01:14] <Daviey> Are you definitely mounting the vg?
[01:14] <Daviey> ie /dev/vg/storage
[01:14] <grndslm> yup
[01:14] <grndslm> Daviey: it was mounting fine in fstab up until i got back from my vacation
[01:15] <Daviey> and vgscan definitely showed it ok?
[01:17] <Daviey> no mention of locking failure?
[01:39] <Daviey> hey superm1
[01:39] <superm1> Hi Daviey
[01:40] <Daviey> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5114 Yah!
[01:40] <superm1> awesome
[01:40] <Daviey> :)
[01:41] <superm1> did keescook upload too then?
[01:44] <Daviey> superm1, got an initial font pack up'd to revu
[01:44] <superm1> awesome already?
[01:45] <superm1> that was quick!
[01:45] <Daviey> I'm doing two packages.  Red Hat has released 'liberty' fonts - so i made a deb for them
[01:45] <Daviey> then i'll make another that depends on that
[01:45] <Daviey> the other package being the symlinks
[01:45] <Daviey> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5158
[01:46] <Daviey> had to issue a .patch as i named it -ubuntu1 rather than -0ubuntu1
[01:47] <superm1> ah
[01:47] <superm1> what package were you going to make to depend on this?
[01:48] <superm1> i see a potential problem having the License.txt in two places
[01:48] <superm1> its in debian and in the root
[01:48] <superm1> for the src package
[01:48] <Daviey> grr
[01:48] <Daviey> where should it be?
[01:48] <superm1> well it just shouldnt be in debian/
[01:48] <superm1> since its not used for building
[01:49] <superm1> these are intended to replace what fonts particularly?
[01:49] <superm1> do you know
[01:50] <Daviey> yeah, wait 1
[01:50] <superm1> also, if your not doing any symlinks in this package, you won't need dh_link
[01:50] <Daviey> Times New Roman, Arial and Courier New
[01:51] <superm1> are there any others provided by msttcorefonts?
[01:51] <superm1> also you dont want the COPYING file in debian/
[01:51] <Daviey> okay, i'll sort that
[01:51] <superm1> well i was going to say
[01:52] <Daviey> msttcoreconts has webdings and comic sans - not sure they are easily replaceable
[01:52] <superm1> just in this package do the fake-msttcorefonts business
[01:52] <Daviey> well ttf-liberation deserves it's own package as it should be able to co-exsist with msttcoreconts
[01:52] <superm1> you could just make two binary packages out of it though
[01:52] <superm1> a ttf-liberation
[01:52] <superm1> and a fake-msttcorefonts
[01:52] <superm1> and fake-msttcorefonts would conflict with msttcorefonts
[01:53] <superm1> but depend on ttf-liberation
[01:53] <Daviey> (that's what i was planning :)
[01:53] <superm1> but i'm saying do it right out of this source package
[01:53] <superm1> dont bother with two source packages
[01:54] <Daviey> I was doing it seperate as fake-msttcorefonts will probably need more future maintaince
[01:55] <superm1> you mean because of comic sans and webdings?
[01:55] <Daviey> yeah
[01:55] <Daviey> & impact
[01:55] <Daviey> Andale Mono
[01:56] <superm1> you see this: http://mondaybynoon.com/2007/04/02/linux-font-equivalents-to-popular-web-typefaces/
[01:56] <Daviey> Comic Sans MS, Tahoma, Trebuchet &Verdana
[01:56] <Daviey> That's a good site
[01:57] <Daviey> I started trying to find my own simialars
[01:57] <Daviey> and had some quite good success
[01:57] <superm1> considering a lot of those others are shipped already though
[01:57] <superm1> you might be able to do the fake-msttcorefonts right in this package
[01:57] <superm1> or depend on a few other font packages at least
[01:58] <Daviey> yeah
[01:58] <superm1> keescook, thx for the revu and +1.  Did you upload it as well?
[01:58] <superm1> oh Daviey, i talked to DaveMorris a bit today.  Made some progress last night on glade
[01:58] <superm1> for ubiquity
[01:59] <superm1> i have all the gui done, but i'm having a hard time merging it with the existing ubiquity.glade
[01:59] <Daviey> I thought liberation fonts deserved it's own package anyway - but fake-msttcorefonts might need some fonts it it aswell
[01:59] <Daviey> superm1, i know - i read the log - i was online, just not in this chan... DaveMorris didn't tell me until after grr
[01:59] <keescook> superm1: sorry, I didn't.  I wanted to check with another revu'er before pulling the trigger.  I'm still shy from getting slapped a few weeks back.  ;)
[01:59] <superm1> hehe
[01:59] <superm1> understandable
[02:00] <superm1> well keescook one more for you if you get a few moments:  mythbuntu-artwork-usplash.  http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=5140  rogue780|mythsvr got some nice new artwork together.  See http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/mythbuntu_bootup.jpg for it live in action :)
[02:01] <keescook> nice.  :)
[02:01] <superm1> keescook, what package did Mithrandir slap you for ?
[02:01] <Daviey> superm1, i tried the usplash on my 16:10 screen and it didn't look too bad - but slightly out of proportion
[02:02] <keescook> mythtv and the /home/mythtv stuff I didn't see in the one update.
[02:02] <superm1> oh right
[02:02] <superm1> that was a few months ago though, not a few weeks :)
[02:02] <superm1> sorry for not realizing myself about what debian rules said
[02:02] <superm1> didnt mean for you to get slapped :(
[02:05] <Daviey> superm1, usplash - just tried installing it on my edgy mythbox and it is still ubuntu official :s
[02:05] <superm1> Daviey, that's odd...
[02:05] <superm1> but its fine on feisty
[02:06] <superm1> (and) gutsy
[02:06] <Daviey> hmm - might become a problem if we backport
[02:06] <superm1> well i wasn't planning to backport it
[02:06] <superm1> but its good to know there isnt even an option :)
[02:10] <Daviey> nice..... manually installing it works - looks great eh!
[02:12] <superm1> keescook, thx for the other quick revu :).  No changes were made to the .c, so I didnt put down my name on it as copyright
[02:13] <keescook> ah, excellent.  I suspected, but couldn't tell.  :)
[02:14] <keescook> I'll see what others think, and when I'm slightly bolder, I'll get them uploaded if other REVUrs agree too
[02:14] <superm1> as you can see that one has been around the block to lots of revu'ers too :)
[02:17] <superm1> Daviey, every time i make progress on this glade file, glade-3 decides to get unstable
[02:18] <superm1> i swear i need to save each time i make the smallest "wink" of progress.
[02:18] <Daviey> haha
[02:18] <Daviey> what designer are you using?
[02:19] <superm1> glade 3.2.0
[02:19] <superm1> comes in the glade-3 package
[02:19] <superm1> do you know of others?
[02:19] <Daviey> not really
[02:19] <Daviey> 3.2.1 has been released tho
[02:20] <Daviey> fixes "Workaround for inputdialog crashes (bug 433975) - Juan Pablo Ugarte"
[02:21] <superm1> is that a debian bug 433975?
[02:21] <superm1> or gnome bug 433975
[02:21] <ubotu> Gnome bug 433975 in general "crash in Glade Interface Designer: Changed selection from D..." [Critical,New]  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=433975
[02:21] <superm1> nope thats not my common crash
[02:22] <superm1> mine is when deleting labels
[02:25] <Daviey> have they still not added a 'preview' option to glade?!
[02:25] <superm1> well its a gui designer, but no no previews
[02:26] <superm1> i've got a pretty good idea of what its supposed to look like though when i'm doing the design
[02:29] <superm1> ooh i think i finally understand what i need to do
[02:29] <superm1> things in a gtknotebook need to be pasted in the order they will show up
[02:29] <superm1> the position parameter has no bearing on location
[02:29] <superm1> just the order it appears in the xml file
[02:30] <Daviey> ah
[02:32] <superm1> well i for one think that is dumb, but whatever.  as long as it works
[02:33] <Daviey> either that or my connection is slow
[02:34] <superm1> its huge again
[02:34] <superm1> 70 megs
[02:34] <superm1> i dont know how...
[02:34] <superm1> its not binaries this time
[02:34] <superm1> i think its because ubiquity's source is 30 something megs
[02:37] <Daviey> i thought bzr only kept diffs as history.. maybe not
[02:37] <superm1> it was 70 megs after the first upload
[02:37] <Daviey> It's annoying that you can't just co head - i don't need revision history atm
[02:38] <superm1> ye ai know
[02:38] <superm1> 42 of it is .bzr directory
[02:38] <superm1> supermario@portablemario:~/Software/source/mythbuntu/.bzr$ du -sh
[02:38] <superm1> 42M     .
[02:41] <Daviey>  /mythbuntu/ubiquity/src/ubiquity-1.4.1mythbuntu1/ubiquity/frontend/ubiquity.glade  <---- is that what your editing?
[02:41] <superm1> Yes
[02:41] <superm1> its been a long process to edit it too...
[02:44] <Daviey> superm1, before you go to work tomorrow - can you commit?   I won't work on it, but i would like to see it
[02:44] <Daviey> :)
[02:44] <superm1> Of course
[02:44] <superm1> i wanted to have it commited by now actually,
[02:44] <superm1> its a shame they're taking so long to do
[02:44] <superm1> from when you went to bed yesterday, i worked on them until i went to bed :)
[02:45] <Daviey> hehe
[02:45] <Daviey> tbh - i'm not exactly experienced with glade
[02:45] <Daviey> I've done little more than 'hello me' apps using it
[02:46] <superm1> well this is the first step that jared pointed out to be necessary
[02:46] <superm1> before the behind the scenes work needs to get going
[02:47] <Daviey> Gonna be fun resync our changes with a new upstream release of Ubiquity eh?
[02:49] <superm1> oh god..
[02:49] <superm1> i didnt even think about that
[02:51] <Daviey> superm1, something else - have you read the mythtv-mailinglist?
[02:51] <superm1> about what?
[02:51] <Daviey> RE: ubuntu-media-centre
[02:51] <superm1> what about it?
[02:51] <superm1> what does the thread say
[02:51] <Daviey> Ubuntu is dropping myth in favour of eliza etc
[02:51] <superm1> not dropping
[02:51] <superm1> the media center team
[02:51] <superm1> is using elisa instead
[02:51] <superm1> no bearing on us
[02:52] <superm1> for the purpose they are shooting for - i dont blame them
[02:52] <superm1> really, myth isn't a desktop media center app, elissa fills that gap much better
[02:53] <Daviey> oh i know we aint dropping it - but mailing list seemed to think we were
[02:54] <superm1> sigh.
[02:54] <superm1> we're not ready for a public announcment of mythbuntu
[02:54] <superm1> it really is a shame :)
[02:55] <Daviey> i know - that's why i kept quiet
[02:55] <Daviey> other's haven't :(
[02:55] <superm1> really?
[02:55] <Daviey> mythbuntu project has been mentioned in the thread
[02:56] <superm1> interesting...
[02:56] <Daviey> but not the url, just the launchpad addy
[02:56] <superm1> well the LP address LINKS to the url...
[02:56] <Daviey> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/269721
[02:57] <superm1> yay juski
[02:57] <Daviey> didn't notice it was from him
[02:59] <superm1> well the mythbuntu post wasnt from juski, but he did defend the purpose of mythtv
[02:59] <Daviey> "I love MythTV very much & find it hard to imagine my life without it. " -- Juski       Might print it on a t-shirt for when i meet him
[02:59] <superm1> and this post.  Sums up my same thoughts
[02:59] <superm1> So really.. the thing is WHO CARES the Ubuntu Media Center team have
[02:59] <superm1> 'dropped' MythTV anyway? They saw 'bling', were dazzled - and made
[02:59] <superm1> the *wrong* choice. All that glisters is not gold...
[02:59] <superm1> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/269779#269779
[02:59] <superm1> thats what i meant
[03:00] <Daviey> Anyway, i've done it again - it's 2:00am
[03:00] <Daviey> Catch you tommorow
[03:01] <jams> superm1-  yes you may package the themes
[03:01] <superm1> oh jams your are the one who did the lxm suite themes?
[03:02] <jams> yes
[03:02] <jams> i forgot to change the license, i will do that next update
[03:02] <jams> whenever that i
[03:02] <jams> s
[03:02] <superm1> well i wont be able to package them until the license change unfortunately
[03:02] <Daviey> jams, Your the MePo character creator - Glenn?
[03:02] <superm1> i mailed you as I didnt even catch license problem that myself when i first packaged them
[03:03] <jams> heh, it says "unauthorized"  you are now authorized
[03:03] <superm1> Daviey, he worked on the LxM Suite themes, syth blue, green and laquer
[03:03] <jams> and that awful theme midnight
[03:03] <superm1> jams, can you speak with crimsun momentarily in #ubuntu-motu?
[03:03] <jams> motu?
[03:03] <Daviey>  #ubuntu-motu
[03:04] <jams> whats motu stand for
[03:04] <superm1> yes, they look over the packages, and crimsun caught that
[03:04] <superm1> maintainers of the universe
[03:04] <jams> ah
[03:04] <Daviey> master of the universe (repository)
[03:04] <superm1> i packaged it, but they need the final +1
[03:04] <superm1> er give it
[03:04] <superm1> so crimsun was the one that caught that license mishap
[03:04] <superm1> i completely read over it myself
[03:05] <Daviey> superm1, so we still haven't heard from the MePo guy?
[03:05] <superm1> Nope Daviey
[03:05] <Daviey> That's a shame
[03:05] <jams> eh he also hangs out in #mythtv-users once in a while
[03:06] <Daviey> jams, do you know his nickname?
[03:06] <superm1> well the guy who did the artwork or the xml files
[03:06] <jams> starts with a z
[03:06] <superm1> because we have the +1 from the xml files guy
[03:06] <jams> oh right, his mepo guy is taken from another project
[03:06] <superm1> right
[03:07] <Daviey> jams, it's from a media centre for windows app, that somebody used in a mythtv theme
[03:07] <jams> yeah i know
[03:08] <jams> superm1-  if you get around to fixing some of the unfinished screens be sure to send the patches my way =)
[03:09] <Daviey> Anyway, i'm off to bed...  nn all
[03:09] <superm1> night Daviey
[03:09] <superm1> jams, looks like crimsun is havin connection troubles.  i'll let him know that you gave the OK for packaging, but i'm not sure that we will be able to get them in until the license that is shipped with the file itself is updated
[03:10] <superm1> because the way ubuntu licensing guidelines work, it cant be an exception made just for us
[03:10] <superm1> it has to be available to any other distro or our derivatives
[03:10] <jams> ok
[03:11] <jams> at any rate, glad you asked.  Even for gpl stuff I always consider it good forum to ask
[03:11] <jams> forum=form
[03:11] <superm1> :)
[03:11] <superm1> could you ping me when things are updated license wise - or at least shoot a mail over?
[03:12] <jams> sure
[03:12] <superm1> awesome thanks
[03:12] <jams> far as i know it's just me and two other people using the theme
[03:12] <superm1> "using"?
[03:13] <jams> using the theme for their myth desktop
[03:13] <superm1> well i guess the download count on there wasnt incredibly high
[03:13] <superm1> but its hard to gauge isnt it?  I mean I dont advertise all the themes i use in blogs or posts or anything :)
[03:13] <jams> yep
[03:14] <jams> those counters have been reset a few times
[03:14] <jams> mostly due to my tinkering
[03:14] <jams> i thought for sure somebody would complain about the 2 or 3 unfinished screens
[03:14] <jams> but so far, nobody has
[03:14] <superm1> well there was a complaint on -users
[03:14] <superm1> in the same thread i asked if we can get them into mythtv svn
[03:16] <jams> i vaguely remember a thread like that
[03:16] <jams> a year or two ago?
[03:17] <superm1> about a year ago i think
[03:17] <superm1> but there was no response
[03:17] <superm1> it was a few months before i started with ubuntu packaging
[03:17] <jams> i had already asked, long before that thread
[03:18] <jams> people got busy, i never pushed  so nothing happened
[03:18] <jams> simple as that.
[03:18] <superm1> ah
[03:19] <superm1> well once this licensing is sussed out, we'll have you as an option during mythbuntu installation
[03:19] <superm1> i'm going to have two checkboxes, official themes and community themes for advanced installs.  std installs will install by default.  so that will get some more exposure
[05:53] <rogue780|mythsvr> wow, I'm  impressed. with edgy running mythbackend, nfs server, samba server, and printer server stuff would stop working before it would reach 15 days time up. with feisty I'm at almost 19 days with no problems :)
[06:02] <Daviey> heh - fancy re-installing mine
[06:02] <Daviey> i'm scared
[06:02] <Daviey> need to do a full db dump and all
[06:11] <gardengnome> re
[06:22] <DaveMorris> Daviey: You fancy documenting it
[06:22] <DaveMorris> then when I do mine I can check it and we can put it out for people to follow
[12:20] <steve_> hello hello
[12:20] <steve_> is there anybody awake?
[12:22] <gardengnome> depends on what you expect :)
[12:22] <steve_> some of your precious time ?
[12:23] <steve_> :)
[12:23] <steve_> i'm trying to make the tv-out on my new install work
[12:23] <steve_> have been reading and trying for several hours, no success so far...
[12:25] <gardengnome> so
[12:26] <gardengnome> can you give us more information on your hardware and on what you have done so far?
[12:26] <steve_> nvidia 6600
[12:26] <steve_> new install is the feisty release