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SeveasHobbsee, that one indeed :)12:26
naliothlooks like we're having a bot swarm atm12:26
PriceChildheads up again!12:29
PriceChildbigprick12:29
PriceChildah it said "fumble" not "rumble"12:30
gnomefreakPriceChild: ask him if he unmounted it before taking USB stick out. if i speak in there atm i will be pinged all night long :(12:31
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PriceChildgrrr BigToe is back...12:48
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effie_jayxlol01:05
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stefgPriceChild was really quick on the last paste in #ubuntu ;-)... won#t it be possible to establish a script that automutes (and gives a link to pastebin) a nick when 4 consecutive lines of the same nick go to the channel. i think this would be sufficient to identify a paste01:30
PriceChildbots with ops are bad01:30
PriceChildespecially in channels with a userlist as big as #ubuntu...01:30
stefgmight be not ubotu.. separate guard-bot01:31
naliothstefg: accidental pastes aren't a big problem01:33
naliothit's the disruptive pastes we don't like01:34
naliothit's the disruptive pastes we don't like01:34
naliothit's the disruptive pastes we don't like01:34
naliothit's the disruptive pastes we don't like01:34
naliothit's the disruptive pastes we don't like01:34
naliothit's the disruptive pastes we don't like01:34
naliothit's the disruptive pastes we don't like01:34
naliothit's the disruptive pastes we don't like01:34
stefghehe01:34
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stefgjust an idea which would discourage /any/ flooding in a heavy traffic channel like #ubuntu01:35
PriceChildits not a matter of discouraging... people that do this don't realise they shouldn't01:35
PriceChildThey realise they shouldn't the first time and hopefully don't do it again :)01:36
stefgPriceChild: automatic clue bat :-)01:36
stefgooops, this didn't work... what did i wrong?... ahhh, there's the hint01:37
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stefgwould help against intended flood attacks two... 4 lines, get muted.... people will adapt quickly to that01:38
stefgs /two/too01:39
naliothstefg: the above disruptive example can be made into a script01:39
naliothbut accidental / ignorant flooding can be corrected via catalysis01:39
PriceChildhmm gentoo_user...02:04
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gnomefreakdid we decide envy sucks and take it out of ubotu?02:29
Hobbseegnomefreak: people who use envy wont be able to dist-upgrade.02:30
Hobbseewith the upgrader tool.02:30
gnomefreakah ok02:30
Hobbsee(oh what a tragedy)02:30
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Hobbseehiya SportChick02:32
Hobbseegnomefreak: ditto automatix.02:32
SportChickhiya Hobbsee :)02:32
SportChickhad an ubuntu question on #freenode just now if anyone wants to take a shot at helping the guy02:32
gnomefreakautomatix blows chunks02:32
Hobbseekline [10:33]  [Whois]  n00b3r is n=Blair@c-67-164-52-108.hsd1.ca.comcast.net (Blair)02:33
Hobbseenalioth: ^02:34
SportChickHobbsee: nalioth don't02:35
gnomefreakoh he was klined?02:35
SportChickI spoke to him, and he said sorry02:35
gnomefreaki just banned him02:35
SportChickhe said he won't again02:35
SportChickhowever, if he *does* do it again, we'll kline02:35
HobbseeSportChick: *raises eyebrows*02:35
Hobbseewhat on earth did he think he was going to acheive?02:36
SportChickHobbsee: catalysing ;)02:36
gnomefreakthose are hard to type without knowing what they do02:36
SportChickHobbsee: no idea02:36
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gnomefreakhe screwed it up too or it lost its affect02:36
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sayersHello. Has the DCCbug been fixed?02:42
Hobbseein your router?02:42
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sayersI guess it didnt work.02:45
sayersCould the test be conducted again please.02:48
jribsayers: sure, join #jrib02:49
jribsayers: ok, you're all set.  You can rejoin #ubuntu now.  Thanks for your patience02:51
sayersAh thanks02:51
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nj786when can i get tested?02:57
nj786may i get tested right now?02:59
Voriannj786, when an op has time they will let you know.02:59
nj786vorian, op?02:59
Voriannope02:59
nj786vorian, when will i know?03:00
Hobbseehe's not fixed.03:00
Vorianlol03:00
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Hobbseenj786: you're not fixed.03:00
Hobbsee!exploit03:00
ubotuThere are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit03:00
nj786hobbsee how do you know03:00
Hobbseenj786: because i just tested you03:00
nj786hobbsee how did i get this bug?03:01
Hobbseedidnt you see you just disconnected?03:01
nj786yuh03:01
nj786hobbsee, how did  iget this bug?03:01
Hobbseenj786: it's a bug in your router03:01
nj786hobbsee  how do  ifix it?03:01
Hobbseenj786: it's a bug in your router03:01
nj786i mean i follwoed the inturction on that linnk03:01
Hobbseeconnect to port 8001, like it says in that link03:01
nj786hobbsee, i did03:01
Hobbseeno, you didnt.03:02
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Hobbseeno, you didnt.03:02
nj786hobbsee, why does it not work03:02
nj786yesi  did03:02
nj786i will show u a screenshot03:02
nj7861 sec03:02
Hobbseebecause you're not connected to port 8001.03:02
PriceChildnj786, you will have to reconnect03:03
nj786pricechild, what do you mean?03:04
nj786hobbsee, give me 1 sec03:04
HobbseePriceChild: he's having to reconnect anyway, iirc, because he's being thrown off the network each time.03:04
PriceChildYeah I'm tired and realised how stupid that was :P03:04
nj786pricechild, http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4plulgm03:04
nj786hobbsee, http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4plulgm03:04
nj786hobsee?03:05
Hobbseenj786: give us a screenshot of the "edit" part?03:05
nj786hobbsee, what do you mean?03:05
Hobbseethere's an edit button there - what happens if you hit that?03:05
PriceChildHobbsee, that is the edit part03:05
Hobbseewhat does it show?03:06
nj786hit edit and screenshot the window that opens?03:06
Hobbseethe edit of the server tab03:06
Hobbseeyes03:06
nj786as it when i hit edit>preferences ?03:06
nj786or this server whic i am talkin to you guys?03:06
nj786i mean chatting*03:07
Hobbseeon the screenshot you've got, you've got an edit button on that front window.  hit that, and give us a screenshot again03:07
Hobbseei'm fairly sure it'll say 6667 in it03:07
nj786hobbsee, that is the edit part03:08
nj786hobbsee, the screenshoti gave you is the edit part03:09
Hobbseeif that's the edit part, then why does the edit part have another edit button on it?03:09
nj786u mean behind the text?03:09
Hobbseei mean the front-most window in that screenshot03:09
nj786or the window where it says  ircfreenode?03:09
nj786yes i know03:09
nj786if i hit that hobbsee, it just highlights the text03:09
Hobbseehmmm03:10
Hobbseedunno if he has to hit save or something.03:10
Hobbseebecause it's definetly not accepted03:10
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Hobbsee[11:10]  <Hobbsee> dunno if he has to hit save or something.03:11
Hobbsee[11:10]  <Hobbsee> because it's definetly not accepted03:11
Hobbseeafter the /8001 is added03:11
nj786hobbsee? what can  ido03:11
crdlbnj786: have you restarted xchat-gnome?03:11
nj786no03:11
Hobbseemight be wise to try03:11
nj786crdlb how do  i do that?03:11
nj786irc>quit03:11
crdlbyes03:12
nj786and reconnect?03:12
crdlbthen open it again03:12
nj786ok let me try it03:12
nj786will it bring me back here03:12
nj786or will it send me somwhere else?03:12
nj786i am going to try restarting03:13
Hobbseetwitch03:13
Hobbseeplease tell me that i misread, and he didnt ask how to restart a gui application.03:13
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Hobbseehiya Jucato!03:14
Hobbseewoo, now Jucato can deal with it!03:14
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SportChickHobbsee: how do I restart a gui application?03:14
SportChick:D03:14
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SportChick*headdesk*03:14
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Jucatohi Hobbsee! deal with what? O.o03:15
crdlbwhat is he doing?03:15
Hobbseecrdlb: NFI.03:15
HobbseeJucato: exploit victim who just asked how to restart his client.  the client was xchat.03:15
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nj786hobbsee, i am still back here03:16
Jucatooh...03:16
Hobbseesomeone beat me03:16
Hobbseebut it's not fixed.03:16
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PriceChildnj786, still not fixed03:16
nj786no priocechild03:16
nj786i am getting worried03:16
nj786pricechild, how do  fix this03:16
nj786hobbsee?03:17
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crdlbnj786: click on the Freenode tab on the left03:17
crdlband scroll up03:17
crdlbwhat port do you see?03:18
nj786crdbl, where?03:18
nj786crdbl, click where for freenode?03:18
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nj786crdbl?03:19
nj786crldb?03:19
crdlbnj786: click freenode on the left03:19
crdlbin the channel list03:19
nj786crdlb where?03:19
nj786edit>preferences?03:19
crdlbno03:19
crdlbin the main window03:19
nj786crdlb where is t03:20
crdlbit says "FreeNode"03:20
nj786it?03:20
nj786i do not see freenode03:20
nj786where is it03:20
nj786bottom left?03:20
crdlboh03:20
crdlbyou're connecting to the "ubuntu server"03:21
nj786ok look03:21
nj786crdlb03:21
nj786what do i do03:21
crdlbwhich has a separate definition in the preferences03:21
nj786run me through this03:21
nj786what do i do?03:21
naliothcrdlb: nj786: please join #ubuntu-classroom03:21
nj786crdlb i am listening03:21
nalioththis is not a support channel03:21
SportChicknalioth: you mean nj78603:21
SportChick?03:21
naliothSportChick: i used both nicks03:22
SportChickoh, missed that sorry03:22
SportChick*blush*03:22
nj786where is the unbuntu classroom?03:22
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nj786crdlb?03:23
nj786where is the ubuntu classroom?03:23
naliothnj786: type /j #ubuntu-classroom <enter>03:23
nj786nalioth what do  ido in there?03:23
naliothnj786: well, crdlb should have joined you03:25
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crdlbsomebody try it03:28
nj786crdlb, i am still back03:28
nj786nothing happpend03:28
PriceChildnj please join #pricechild for a couple more tests :)03:28
PriceChildseems good though03:28
Hobbseewow, it's fixed.03:29
nj786am i fixed?03:29
nj786HOBBSEE?03:29
PriceChildWoo congratulations nj786, you may now join #ubuntu :)03:29
Hobbseeoh, he got it03:29
Hobbseenj786: yep, well done.03:29
nj786PRAISE THE LORDDDDDDD03:29
PriceChildhehe03:29
nj786so is my system good now?03:30
PriceChildYeah you're all good03:30
Hobbseeyep03:30
crdlbwho had the ingenious idea of making an "ubuntu server" entry?03:30
nj786ok now those prblems wont occur of my desktop switching?03:30
Hobbseesorry?03:30
nj786and by the way will this program ever occur again?03:30
nj786problem**03:30
Hobbseefor every machine you have connected to that router, this will happen, yes.03:30
Hobbseeit shouldnt for that machine03:30
nj786damnit03:30
nj786lol03:31
nj786i oonly connected 103:31
nj786hobbsee,  so the more computers  i connect the more chance of it happening?03:31
nj786ok i had another question so all those problems  iwas facing will no dissapear in my dekstop03:32
Hobbseenj786: no - but seeing as your router is the problem, the connecting on a different port is a workaround, only for that machine03:32
nj786for ex:, while i was switching dekstops my panel would dissapear?03:32
nj786hobbsee, so this problem will occur again for my router?03:32
nj786hobbsee, for this exact machine i am using?03:33
Hobbseenot for that machine03:33
nj786hobbsee, then?03:33
Hobbseeyou shouldnt see it again03:33
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Hobbseehiya Madpilot03:41
Madpilotevening Hobbsee03:41
HobbseeMadpilot: it seems you're the brother of that crazy CC person.03:41
MadpilotI am, yes. What's he doing now?03:41
Madpilotaside from getting pissed in Spain after the rest of you have left?03:42
Hobbseenothing03:42
Hobbseewe just got lots of fun calling him weasel boy, and such, and teasing him03:42
Hobbseehehe, i never got to see that03:42
MadpilotGood. Like I said, he enjoys being callled weaselboy.03:43
Madpilotalthough he's likely to want to hurt me when he gets home for telling you all that nickname :)03:43
Hobbseehehe03:44
PriceChildHaha I remember the first time someone called him that at UDS...03:45
Hobbseeand the planet meeting.  haha03:45
nzkIs Seaves here yet04:17
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Seveas!test06:46
ubotuFailed06:46
ubotuIn #ubuntu, RagingBull said: ubotu: what is the diff between sudo su - and sudo -i06:54
SportChickSeveas: hehe06:54
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elkbuntuhighvoltage, why did you have to not record my talk at the ubucon? i cant find a vid of it anywhere :(08:36
highvoltageelkbuntu, I am terribly sorry :(08:38
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highvoltageI wish I didn't leave earlier, would rather have seen your talj08:39
highvoltage*talk08:39
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elkbuntui'm almost certain there were at least 2 video cameras there, yours included, but the problem so far is communicating with the -es and guadalinex people08:40
highvoltageaaah08:40
highvoltagehave you tried posting to the sevilla uds list?08:41
elkbuntuhmm... good idea. we have not nuked that yet08:42
highvoltageperhaps there would be someone on #ubuntu-es that would also be willing to help08:43
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jriblooks like a netsplit sent some people into -unregged earlier12:50
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elkbuntujrib, +J at work i believe01:46
jribyeah01:46
elkbuntuso long as they really are unregged/unidentified, it doesnt matter01:47
elkbuntu(much)01:48
jribthere were a couple that were identified01:48
elkbuntuthey might not have been when they joined?01:50
elkbuntus/joined/rejoined/01:50
jribpossibly01:50
gnomefreakirssi is bad about that it seems to join before all user modes are set01:52
jribdoes +J distinguish between identified and unidentified?01:53
gnomefreakshouldnt01:53
jribright01:53
gnomefreakit should just restrict joining to a limit withint a set time period01:53
gnomefreakafaik01:53
gnomefreakis there a holiday in UK today?01:54
Davieynope01:54
gnomefreakit was a netherland holiday it seems01:58
gnomefreakAscension Day01:59
elkbuntuoh maaaan. aoirthoir moron still hanging in -women :(02:01
gnomefreaklol02:01
gnomefreakelkbuntu: he isnt gonna leave ther02:01
gnomefreake02:01
elkbuntui know02:01
gnomefreakhes been there ever since the BS that day a month or so ago02:01
elkbuntui'm aware of that02:01
elkbuntusomeone needs to incite him somehow02:02
gnomefreakincite as it get him to screw up?02:02
elkbuntuof course. entrapment ftw02:02
gnomefreak:)02:02
elkbuntuof course, i do not advocate such behaviour...02:03
gnomefreakhes still banned in -offtopic?02:04
elkbuntui just find it incredibly helpful ;)02:04
elkbuntui damn well hope so02:04
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gnomefreakdoes anyone ever talk to him in there? i havent seen taht yet02:12
pleia2I think most people just ignore him now, so not to get him "started"02:17
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pleia2I spoke to him after he was being a bit annoying, but he hasn't exactly broken rules.. :\02:19
gnomefreaktrue but i think hes following elky but not sure why02:19
elkbuntubecause i challenged him intellectually02:20
gnomefreakelkbuntu: true02:20
elkbuntuhe's just looking for new ways to discredit me02:21
elkbuntus/looking/waiting/02:21
elkbuntumc44 found a nice link about him soon after he appeared in the community. it sums him up nicely and explains a lot ;)02:22
elkbuntus/nice/interesting/02:22
elkbuntus/interesting/creepy/02:22
gnomefreakyou mean like a wanna be stalker?02:23
elkbuntumc44, is an excellent stalk...um...investigator when required02:23
gnomefreaklol02:23
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ompaulgnomefreak, he should be banned from #ubuntu-*02:51
gnomefreakI TAKE IT YOU KNOW HIM?02:52
gnomefreakoops02:52
ompaulYOU CAN!02:52
ompaul:)02:52
gnomefreaki cant ban him from -women he doesnt hang out in any other #ubuntu-* channel that i know of besides -offtopic(already banned) and -women02:53
ompaulyeap02:53
elkbuntu* [Aoirthoir]  (n=aoirthoi@wsip-68-99-156-37.ri.ri.cox.net): Joseph James Frantz02:57
elkbuntu* [Aoirthoir]  #ubuntu-women #ubuntu-men #ubuntu-ohio #ubuntu @##aoirthoir02:57
elkbuntu-men has the whole of one person in it atm. him.02:59
pleia2yeah, I looked into that previously03:01
pleia2was registered by erstazi, who is usually there03:01
pleia2I work with erstazi on loco stuff, he's never been a problem03:02
Myrtti"so Aoirthoir, how are you planning to get involved in UbuntuWomen except stalking here for elkbuntu?"03:03
elkbuntupleia2, i'd chance he's the guy who posted to my blog about the u-w open week session with 'i have the domain ubuntu-men.org'03:03
nixternalwtf@!!@ ubuntu-men? who came up with that bright idea?03:04
pleia2I don't have a problem with banning him if the generel consensus is that he's a problem03:04
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pleia2I just haven't had a good excuse :)03:04
Myrttimay I, please please pleas03:04
elkbuntuMyrtti, no, accusations, especially when he has a plausible excuse (-men) would not go down well03:04
elkbuntuhis middle name is "conspiracy theorist"03:05
Myrttidamn, you're no fun03:05
Myrtti;.)03:05
elkbuntuoh, i'm plenty of fun, i just like well behaved fans ;)03:05
nixternalelkbuntu: what's wrong with men? :)03:06
nixternalI still can't get over the fact that someone created ubuntu-men, you know why it was created, there is no other excuse for its creation, ABOLISH IT!03:06
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elkbuntunixternal, nay. by it's own reasoning, it will never take off03:07
gnomefreakcan someone send an email to gnomefreak AT ubuntu DOT com03:07
elkbuntuit'll fizzle03:07
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nixternalgnomefreak: I don't care how much you try and mask that email address, you are in for major spam my friend03:07
elkbuntudone03:07
gnomefreakim sure03:08
gnomefreakty elkbuntu03:08
nixternaldone03:08
nixternalhehe03:08
jribheh me too03:08
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gnomefreakha i did03:08
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gnomefreakdamn03:08
gnomefreakty everyone now more work :(03:09
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elkbuntuompaul, btw, that thing i mentioned to you last week re: defectivebydesign... http://www.google.com.au/search?q=.gif+site:defectivebydesign.org&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&hs=9K0&filter=003:19
ompaulif I understand it gif is no longer patented03:20
ompaulbut I'll check :)03:20
pleia2AFAIK the last international patent expired in 200403:21
naliothgif is no longer patented03:22
elkbuntuhttp://www.gnu.org/philosophy/gif.html still exists though. it just amuses me03:22
pleia2elkbuntu: consider the source :)03:22
elkbuntupleia2, that's precisely my point03:22
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pleia2RMS might hate unisys until the end of time for that patent, but they've actually become less evil in the past few years03:23
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ajcoesola03:23
elkbuntu"We were able to search the patent databases of the USA, Canada, Japan, and the European Union. The Unisys patent expired on 20 June 2003 in the USA, in Europe it expired on 18 June 2004, in Japan the patent expired on 20 June 2004 and in Canada it expired on 7 July 2004. The U.S. IBM patent expired 11 August 2006, The Software Freedom Law Center says that after 1 October 2006, there will be no significant patent claims interfering with emp03:24
elkbuntuloyment of the GIF format."03:24
elkbuntudbd.o has been around since longer ago than october last year ;)03:24
elkbuntuiirc03:24
elkbuntusince early may 06 tbp03:28
nixternalnice find elkbuntu03:29
naliothyou guys didn't know the gif had expired?03:29
naliothmorning, btw03:29
nixternalit kills me when Unisys had the patent for gifs, yet they never invented it, I believe the story is they found the info in an ex-employees desk or something03:30
nixternalmornin' nalioth03:30
pleia2nixternal: yeah, it was pretty slimy03:30
pleia2but these days Unisys contributes pretty heavily to kernel development for multiprocessor and high memory Xen kernels03:31
pleia2and in my area they host *two* of our LUGs03:31
pleia2so they are working to redeem :)03:31
nixternalI worked for Unisys (Sperry Rand and Unicorp) back in the late 80's early 90's when I was in high school03:31
nixternalthey are big here in Chicago as well03:31
nixternalmy mom retired from Unisys03:31
elkbuntunalioth, i suspected it had, but was not sure03:39
elkbunturegardless, the fact that fsf sites used the format prior to complete patent expiration, and even the fact that they humor its usage now after the fact, deeply amuses me03:40
elkbuntuphilosophically speaking, anyway03:42
elkbuntuthe patent we need to concern ourselves with now however, is the mp3 patent which will likely linger for as long as 201203:48
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ompaulget an ogg :)03:50
gnomefreakhow do you invite yourself to a channel?03:51
gnomefreaki thought it was /invite #channel03:51
ompaulas an op03:51
gnomefreaki cant op myself since i am not there03:52
ompaulunless the channel is +g then anyone is allowed invite you03:52
nalioth /cs invite #channel03:52
ompaulahh03:52
naliothhave to be on the access list with [invite] 03:52
gnomefreaknalioth: ty i tried that first but i think i used ns instead of cs03:53
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mc44elkbuntu: pfft I am so not a stalker. Nice elf art btw :P04:17
elkbuntuha04:18
elkbuntui plead youth. my drawing truely sucks04:18
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ompaul!root09:52
ubotusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.09:52
ompaul!unix09:52
ubotuthe proprietary operating system that was supposed to be posix complient, just like GNU/Linux09:52
ompaulso where were we with this?09:52
MyrttiThe proprietary?09:52
MyrttiI thought there were several unixes out there09:53
ompaulso lets get it right09:53
Myrtticould be my mistake though09:53
ompaulthere were several09:54
ompaulare also09:54
ompaulunix, an operating system from the '70s, it lead to the posix standard, which was worked into glibc which is the basis of GNU/Linux09:56
ompaulis that acceptable09:56
ompaulunix, a set of operating systems, it was started from the '70s, it lead to the posix standard, which was worked into glibc which is the basis of GNU/Linux09:57
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=== nalioth wonders if ompaul is posix standard
ompaulnalioth, I am unstandard10:07
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nzkIs Seves here?11:19
gnomefreaknzk: easiest way to find out is " Seveas are you here? "11:31
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gnomefreak:)11:32
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nzkI dont want to hilight him11:36
jribtoo late11:36
jribnow he's coming to get you11:36
naliothnzk: if you don't highlight him, how is he gonna know you're here?11:37
nzkI think he /ignored me anyway11:37
gnomefreaknzk: nope i doubt he did11:38
nzkHe even said to me, and I quote, "/ignore time"11:38
PriceChildnzk, ubuntu operators gave up the right to /ignore11:46
nzkBut hes the big cheese, can't he do whatever he wants11:46
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HobbseePriceChild: in most cases.11:54
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