[12:28] <vidd_laptop> not sure....sounds like your modem is blocking your http requests....
[12:29] <vidd_laptop> or its loosing its connection
[12:29] <vidd_laptop> do you connect using pppoe?
[12:30] <portulini> hmmm any idea of what I could do? I modified my mtu allowance, and that didn't help. also i added my DNS ip's to a file at the DHCP3 folder, and that didn't do anything
[12:32] <portulini> no... I should be able to connect throu DHCP
[12:32] <vidd_laptop> do you have it set to auto connect or "always on"?
[12:32] <portulini> I don't remember. Where could I check that?
[12:32] <vidd_laptop> go to the modem"s configureation page
[12:33] <vidd_laptop> can you connect on a windows machine without issue?
[12:33] <portulini> this machine is the one with linux and xubuntu
[12:33] <portulini> i mean windows
[12:33] <portulini> I'm at windows atm
[12:34] <portulini> and I can connect without any problem
[12:34] <vidd_laptop> did you have to run a disk to get connected?
[12:35] <vidd_laptop> and what kind of modem are you using?
[12:35] <Sergo> vidd_laptop maybe the system was unable to detect modem
[12:35] <Sergo> :)
[12:36] <portulini> I didn't have to install anything. the modem is a Cisco 677
[12:36] <vidd_laptop> no...if it was not able to detect, you would not have been able to search google
[12:37] <portulini> I can ping most things... even 127.0.0.1
[12:37] <vidd_laptop> 127.0.0.1 is your local machine
[12:37] <Sergo> )
[12:38] <portulini> but doesn't that mean my modem is working?
[12:38] <vidd_laptop> no
[12:39] <portulini> It would seem as I have limited acces to the web, or I can't receive data
[12:39] <vidd_laptop> yes...
[12:40] <vidd_laptop> do you have a router?
[12:40] <portulini> I have the modem and 2 hubs
[12:41] <portulini> could the modem have an integrated router?
[12:41] <vidd_laptop> yes...
[12:41] <vidd_laptop> how many ethernet jacks on the back of it?
[12:42] <portulini> of the modem?
[12:42] <maxamillion> the sbc 2wire device does (for example)
[12:42] <vidd_laptop> yes
[12:42] <portulini> wait let me go have a look
[12:44] <portulini> 2 i think
[12:44] <portulini> 1 in and 1 to the first hub
[12:45] <vidd_laptop> is the xubuntu machine plugged in too?
[12:45] <portulini> into one of the hubs, yes
[12:46] <vidd_laptop> go to network-admin
[12:46] <portulini> in the terminal?
[12:46] <vidd_laptop> on second thought....
[12:47] <ciro314> applications >> system >> network
[12:47] <maxamillion> wait, what is trying to be accomplished?
[12:47] <portulini> i would need to change to xubuntu and try... so if you have some instructions, tell em all, and ill go try
[12:47] <vidd_laptop> do sudo ifdown eth0  then sudo ifup eth0
[12:47] <portulini> im dual booting
[12:49] <vidd_laptop> do you know the gateway address?
[12:49] <portulini> yes
[12:49] <portulini> 190.74.192.1
[12:49] <maxamillion> wow .. that's different
[12:50] <vidd_laptop> that is you nat address
[12:50] <portulini> what you mean?
[12:50] <portulini> thats the defaults gateway addres
[12:51] <vidd_laptop> i can ping that address
[12:51] <portulini> thats good?
[12:52] <vidd_laptop> that means it is your public facing ip address
[12:52] <portulini> and that's what oyu needed to know?
[12:52] <vidd_laptop> you should have a private ip address for your home network
[12:53] <portulini> where could I see that?
[12:53] <ciro314> sudo ifconfig
[12:53] <vidd_laptop> in windows.....
[12:53] <vidd_laptop> ipconfig
[12:54] <ciro314> cmd
[12:54] <ciro314> ipconfig
[12:54] <portulini> could it be 5.122.218.180
[12:55] <vidd_laptop> can you ping it?
[12:55] <portulini> yes
[12:56] <portulini> from windows command i can
[12:57] <maxamillion> ..... i might BRB, gonna try something that might bork my Xorg
[12:57] <maxamillion> rock .... it didn't :)
[12:57] <portulini> what are you thinking vidd?
[12:58] <vidd_laptop> im thinking "where did you get that address from?"
[12:58] <portulini> haha from ipconfig, it said connection-specific dns suffix
[12:59] <vidd_laptop> ipconfig /all
[12:59] <vidd_laptop> there should be smething like: Gateway 192.168.2.1
[01:00] <portulini> default gateway=
[01:01] <portulini> 190.74.192.1
[01:01] <vidd_laptop> very strange
[01:02] <vidd_laptop> what is you ip range given to you by the isp?
[01:03] <portulini> I should call my ISP and ask that
[01:04] <vidd_laptop> do the have linux support?
[01:04] <portulini> supposedly
[01:05] <portulini> i will reset my modem
[01:05] <portulini> wait
[01:05] <portulini> be back in a few minutes
[01:14] <portulini> im bakc Vidd
[01:16] <portulini> so..so... any new ideas?
[01:16] <vidd_laptop> were you able to ping it?
[01:17] <portulini> ping what?
[01:17] <vidd_laptop> the ip adress
[01:18] <portulini> i didnt check anything at xubuntuu I was resetting my modem
[01:19] <vidd_laptop> what is your default gateway now?
[01:19] <portulini> 190.74.192.1
[01:19] <vidd_laptop> try to ping it from terminal
[01:20] <portulini> at ubuntu?
[01:20] <portulini> be right back then
[01:20] <portulini> I can ping from command
[01:20] <portulini> at windows
[01:21] <vidd_laptop> yes...i know
[01:26] <portulini> ok... I can ping my gateway, but I can't ping my DHCP adress
[01:27] <portulini> said "packet(or package) filtered"
[01:29] <portulini> vidd?
[01:29] <vidd_laptop> yes?
[01:29] <portulini> I can ping gateway, but not my DHCP adress
[01:29] <portulini> it said "package filtered"
[01:29] <vidd_laptop> that explains why you cant get out
[01:30] <portulini> :)
[01:30] <vidd_laptop> your dns server is not correct
[01:30] <portulini> my dns according to windows are 200.44.32.12 and  200.11.248.12
[01:31] <portulini> and xubuntu detected those automitc
[01:31] <portulini> can you ping my DHCP=200.109.126.42?
[01:32] <maxamillion> portulini: open a terminal and enter "sudo dhcpcd" and see if you get an ip address that way
[01:33] <portulini> I wish I had 2 comps... ehehe well give me 2 mins to switch to Xub
[01:33] <maxamillion> k
[01:34] <portulini> when I get the result of that sudo dhcpcd, should I check anything else while im there?
[01:47] <portulini> ok I'm back
[01:48] <portulini> I did "sudo dhcpcd". Wrong coomand
[01:49] <maxamillion> portulini: sorry .... wrong distro
[01:49] <maxamillion> portulini: "sudo dhclient"
[01:50] <portulini> want me to write the results from that?
[01:50] <portulini> let me check back
[01:51] <maxamillion> k
[01:51] <maxamillion> i gotta run
[01:51] <portulini> vidd?
[01:51] <portulini> you still helping me?
[01:51] <vidd_laptop> yes
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> did you get your ip range
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> ?
[01:52] <portulini> ok... should I go try sudo dhclient?
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> yes
[01:52] <portulini> ok
[01:52] <portulini> i will find my ip range while on it
[01:58] <portulini> ok
[01:59] <vidd_laptop> servey says?
[02:00] <portulini> sudo dhclient turned out this: Listening on lpf/eth0/00:16:ec:ca:a0:D0 sending on Same thing than before sending on socket/fallback dhcprequest on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPACK from 190.74.192.1 bound to 190.74.205.30 --- renewal in 1167 secs
[02:01] <vidd_laptop> can you get out?
[02:01] <portulini> still no
[02:04] <portulini> what do you think?
[02:05] <vidd_laptop> then go back to xubuntu and open a web page and put 216.109.112.135 in it
[02:06] <vidd_laptop> let me know if you can get the page
[02:06] <portulini> ok
[02:06] <portulini> be right back
[02:10] <ToHellWithGA> yall have any angles on xubuntu via shipit?
[02:10] <vidd_laptop> xubuntu? no...
[02:10] <ToHellWithGA> it seems at least as big a deal as kubuntu.  kde is for picky people who don't like gnome.  xfce is more a practical decision for folks with old/weak hardware
[02:11] <ToHellWithGA> i find kde users a bit snobbish
[02:11] <vidd_laptop> but if you know anyone that needs a disk, i can mail ya one
[02:12] <portulini> I can't open it, vidd... and trying to ping said "time to live exceeded"
[02:14] <vidd_laptop> it dont make sence
[02:14] <portulini> eheheheeh
[02:14] <phibxr> ToHellWithGA, of for folks who just happen to like xfce/xfwm. :)
[02:14] <portulini> who the hell knows
[02:15] <vidd_laptop> what country?
[02:15] <ToHellWithGA> vidd_laptop: i kinda like the pressed discs
[02:15] <portulini> Venezuela
[02:15] <ToHellWithGA> i've passed mine on to other linux newbies
[02:15] <ToHellWithGA> the pressed live CDs with nice sleeves are a great way to say "hey, try this out.  install it if you like it.  give it to somebody when you're done with it."
[02:17] <portulini> my ISP is cantv.net
[02:19] <vidd_laptop> they have a web site?
[02:19] <portulini> www.cantv.net
[02:20] <vidd_laptop> ...
[02:20] <portulini> what?
[02:20] <vidd_laptop> its in spanish....
[02:20] <portulini> yes
[02:20] <portulini> what would you like to know
[02:21] <vidd_laptop> if there is a support section
[02:21] <portulini> but it doesn'te help setup network with linux
[02:22] <portulini> it has a support section
[02:26] <vidd_laptop> portulini, i dont know what to tell ya
[02:27] <portulini> hehe... well.. thanks a lot anyway, vidd. you were a great help
[02:28] <Jester45> hey vidd
[02:28] <vidd_laptop> what up
[02:28] <Jester45> could you try to log on my ftp? i cant seem to be able to
[02:29] <Jester45> even if i can ping my computer
[02:30] <vidd_laptop> did you check to see if you ip address changed?
[02:57] <deCon> can someone help me setup up my wireless on my fresh install?
[02:58] <vidd_laptop> deCon, what kind of wifi card?
[02:58] <deCon> vidd_laptop, its a netgeart WG311T
[02:59] <deCon> vidd_laptop, its detected and what not, but it won't connect
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> have you done ndiswrapper -i filename.inf ?
[02:59] <vidd_laptop> whAT IS THE CHIPSET
[03:01] <deCon> atheros
[03:02] <aboyousif> deCon, i faced alot of troubles with atheros too not all atheros worked with me just the 520g i as i remember
[03:02] <klhrevolutionist> How does one label a distro "stable"
[03:03] <deCon> i just need to figure out how to do basic network troubleshooting i think
[03:03] <klhrevolutionist> How is it that xubuntu has yet to fix the installer bug ?
[03:03] <klhrevolutionist> let alone any other bugs that may be present
[03:03] <klhrevolutionist> fools
[03:03] <Jester45> becuase its not a new version maybe?
[03:03] <Jester45> they are working on it
[03:03] <klhrevolutionist> go tell it on a mountain
[03:03] <deCon> ya, it keeps popping up on me too
[03:04] <klhrevolutionist> stable..
[03:04] <klhrevolutionist> not one distro should ever use that word
[03:04] <vidd_laptop> klhrevolutionist, especially not windows
[03:05] <klhrevolutionist> agreed
[03:05] <deCon> stable = runs with minimal error
[03:06] <klhrevolutionist> Stable \Sta"ble\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Stabled} (-b'ld); p. pr. & vb. n. {Stabling} (-bl[i^] ng).] 
[03:06] <klhrevolutionist>      To put or keep in a stable.
[03:06] <klhrevolutionist>      [1913 Webster] 
[03:07] <deCon> so, i have problems to take care of, could you please spam your whining elsewhere
[03:07] <deCon> and can someone please help me figure out why wifi isn't working?
[03:07] <klhrevolutionist> well take the link on the webpage down
[03:07] <klhrevolutionist> 7.04, codename Feisty Fawn (stable release) <--
[03:08] <klhrevolutionist> lol
[03:09] <klhrevolutionist> after reading the release notes the installer still freezes the whole desktop
[03:09] <klhrevolutionist> it's not usable*
[03:09] <klhrevolutionist> other than live-cd purposes
[03:09] <deCon> vidd_laptop, please help me figure this out?
[03:10] <klhrevolutionist> 4 days it'll be a month since release and still not fixed...
[03:10] <deCon> crimsun, will you help me figure out why wi-fi isn't working?
[03:12] <crimsun> need more context.
[03:12] <vidd_laptop> deCon, is it pci, usb, or pcmcia?
[03:13] <deCon> vidd_laptop, pci
[03:13] <vidd_laptop> what does lspci give you?
[03:13] <deCon> crimsun, well i have put in my settings under properties, but when i open firefox, it wont go to anything
[03:13] <deCon> let me check
[03:14] <crimsun> "settings under properties"?
[03:14] <deCon> well, good news... lspci shows
[03:14] <deCon> atheros communications 802.11 ....
[03:15] <vidd_laptop> what does iwfonfig say?
[03:16] <deCon> one sec
[03:16] <deCon> under settings of the connection, it is enabled and DHCP with proper WEP key
[03:17] <deCon> it shows
[03:17] <deCon> under ath0
[03:19] <|Slurpee|> will xubuntu work as a decent kick start server ?
[03:20] <vidd_laptop> |Slurpee|, kick start server?
[03:22] <FrozenDawn> Hello there !
[03:23] <deCon> vidd_laptop, if it shows, thats good, right? what else could be wrong?
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> not necisarrily
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> what does it say?
[03:24] <deCon> i cannot pastebin, but hmm
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> what is the bitrate...access point
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> is there a power button?
[03:24] <deCon> access point is the one i entered, but rate is 11mb
[03:25] <deCon> it shows noise, signal and link quality, 0/3 sensitivity and the MAC for the ESSID
[03:25] <vidd_laptop> you dont ebter the access point
[03:25] <deCon> vidd_laptop, i thought i had to enter that information under network
[03:25] <deCon> vidd_laptop: should i delete it?
[03:25] <deCon> vidd_laptop: a power button to what?
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> no..never mind
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> power button on the card
[03:26] <deCon> vidd_laptop: no power button, and i deleted the config..should i put it back on
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> does it say Access Point: xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> deCon, go to sudo ntework-admin
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> betwork-DMIN
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> gggrrrrr
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> network-admin
[03:28] <deCon> vidd_laptop: gotcha, i'm starting to pick up things...someone in the other channel said something about iptables
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> yeah....
[03:28] <deCon> vidd_laptop: it did say the access point MAC until i deleted the config
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> $ sudo rmdir Games/
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> rmdir: Games/: Directory not empty
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> ????
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> Anyone know how to delete a folder
[03:29] <vidd_laptop> does your access point look like what i posted earlier?
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> its got root permissions
[03:29] <vidd_laptop> Catoptromancy, rmdir -r /path
[03:30] <vidd_laptop> Catoptromancy, you may need to do sudo
[03:31] <klh-xubuntu> Step 7 of 7: Am I to press the advanced button or is the default okay ??
[03:31] <ircusr> hi all
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> $ sudo rmdir Games/
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> rmdir: Games/: Directory not empty
[03:31] <ircusr> xfce is awesome!!
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> errr
[03:31] <|Slurpee|> kick start server is a term for a net install server
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> rmdir: invalid option -- r
[03:31] <klh-xubuntu> for the bootloader that is
[03:32] <deCon> vidd_laptop: i think i found the problem...it doesn't show anything under DNS
[03:33] <FrozenDawn> that would be "rm -r <directory>"
[03:33] <vidd_laptop> there ya go
[03:33] <FrozenDawn> (to Clapto)
[03:33] <|Slurpee|> anyone know if xubuntu will easily be a kick start server ?
[03:33] <deCon> vidd_laptop: how can it get the DNS it needs?
[03:34] <vidd_laptop> your default gateway provides the dns
[03:34] <deCon> vidd_laptop: why isn't it coming through?
[03:35] <klh-xubuntu> I dunno bout this installer bug..
[03:35] <Catoptromancy> genius! FrozenDawn
[03:35] <Catoptromancy> #ubuntu couldnt figure it out
[03:35] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:35] <Catoptromancy> I knew it was stupidly simple command
[03:35] <FrozenDawn> does anyone know how to get xubuntu to show a nice "you can shut me off now" screen ?
[03:36] <FrozenDawn> ^^ glad I could help
[03:36] <klh-xubuntu> FrozenDawn: just run the installer...
[03:37] <klh-xubuntu> oh wait that would be for a frozen screen...
[03:38] <FrozenDawn> (what installer where you talking about ?)
[03:39] <klh-xubuntu> the xubuntu installer, being sarcastic because after 4 tries I have yet to get the installer to work..
[03:40] <FrozenDawn> did you check the md5sum on the cd ?
[03:40] <Catoptromancy> klh-xubuntu, have you tried ALternat e CD?
[03:40] <vidd_laptop> klh-xubuntu, why dont you quit whining and just get the alt-install and just get your system up
[03:41] <klh-xubuntu> will have to see exactly what the alt. cd is..
[03:41] <Catoptromancy> how fast is your PC?
[03:41] <klh-xubuntu> would've been nice to see some info maybe on a webpage..
[03:41] <vidd_laptop> all you need to do is READ
[03:41] <Catoptromancy> it installs more smoothly
[03:42] <FrozenDawn> what are yor specs ?
[03:42] <vidd_laptop> its on the same download page as the live cde
[03:42] <klh-xubuntu> read what ? and please tell me to read something besides what I have.
[03:42] <Catoptromancy> Its the same as Live CD but with terminal install
[03:43] <klh-xubuntu> hmm..
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> works better usually,
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> how fast is your PC?
[03:43] <vidd_laptop> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> how old?
[03:43] <klh-xubuntu> my pc is fast enough
[03:43] <klh-xubuntu> my hd is big enough
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> ....
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> well ok
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> how old?
[03:44] <klh-xubuntu> it is not my pc that is having problems, but good try in shifting the blame
[03:44] <paradox997> hi, I've tried to run the live CD (6.10)  but everytime it finishes loading up the gui dies but I can still hear sounds and stuff. Anyone know how to fix it? my pc has athlon 64 3000+ nforce4 SLI mobo and 2 6600GTs
[03:44] <Catoptromancy> Well I cant help without basic info on your system
[03:44] <vidd_laptop> did you go to the site and read what it says about the alt-cd?
[03:45] <klh-xubuntu> getting to it
[03:45] <Catoptromancy> paradox997, try the Fiesty Alternate CD
[03:45] <Catoptromancy> has more options to choose from
[03:45] <vidd_laptop> and did you run the "check cd for defects"?
[03:45] <paradox997> yes
[03:45] <klh-xubuntu> how bout the step 7 of 7 in the installer: the advanced button, would I change the default ? or change where the bootloader goes
[03:46] <Catoptromancy> paradox997,  have you run md5sum ?
[03:46] <paradox997> i've tried other versions of linux and I still get the same problem
[03:46] <paradox997> the cd checks out
[03:46] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[03:46] <FrozenDawn> can you do a crtl-alt-f1 and get a prompt ?
[03:47] <FrozenDawn> (paradox)
[03:47] <klh-xubuntu> I reckon I'll change it to install to the same location as I want to install xubuntu..
[03:47] <paradox997> yup i can get in the console
[03:47] <paradox997> i've tried changing xorg.conf to vesa instead of nv but that didn't work
[03:48] <paradox997> but every time i try to start gdm it fails
[03:48] <FrozenDawn> do you know the name of your graphic board ?
[03:49] <klh-xubuntu> where to install the mbr ? the default has (hd0)
[03:50] <paradox997> uh it's an xfx 6600GT pci express
[03:51] <deCon> anyone around willing to help me with DNS issus
[03:51] <klh-xubuntu> what kinda dns issuez ?
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> deCon, in the newtork-admin tool...
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> there is a spot to enter DNS info'
[03:52] <FrozenDawn> (oops, there it is ...)
[03:52] <FrozenDawn> did you try to change the driver to nv ?
[03:53] <paradox997> yeah, that's what it is by default
[03:53] <deCon> vidd_laptop: i think i copied it properly
[03:53] <deCon> vidd_laptop: need i reboot xfce or the computer?
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> nope
[03:54] <vidd_laptop> sudo ifdown ath0
[03:54] <vidd_laptop> sudo ifup ath0
[03:54] <klh-xubuntu> maybe try reboot router
[03:55] <deCon> router is fine, my other two computers work fine
[03:55] <klh-xubuntu> might be xubuntu
[03:56] <vidd_laptop> deCon, what does the dns tab show?
[03:57] <deCon> vidd_laptop: well No DHCPOFFERS received
[03:57] <klh-xubuntu> do I change the grub option ? Or do I have to submit to your demands of giving me pc specs to get help ?
[03:58] <vidd_laptop> what are you trying to do?
[03:58] <vidd_laptop> deCon, i am out of ideas
[03:58] <klh-xubuntu> step 7 of 7 in the installer
[03:59] <klh-xubuntu> advanced option
[03:59] <klh-xubuntu> grub bootloader
[03:59] <klh-xubuntu> Device for boot loader installation:
[03:59] <deCon> vidd_laptop: thanks anyway, ill keep searching
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> klh-xubuntu, i never use the live cd to install...just go with the default
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> deCon, did this card work in (whatever you had before)
[04:00] <klh-xubuntu> the default location is: (hd0)
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> sounds about right
[04:00] <deCon> vidd_laptop: yes
[04:04] <FrozenDawn> guys, does xubuntu show an "you can turn the computer off" screen by default ?
[04:05] <vidd_laptop> deCon, set your wifi up with a staic ip
[04:06] <deCon> vidd_laptop: just a 192.xx.xx.xxx?
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> the first 3 sets are the same as your gateway....the last set should be outside the dhcp range
[04:08] <Catoptromancy> FrozenDawn,
[04:08] <Catoptromancy> yes
[04:08] <Catoptromancy> Well it gives me a menu
[04:08] <Catoptromancy> or do you mean after that?
[04:09] <Catoptromancy> The Xubuntu logo on shutdown has the status bar go backwards compared to turn it on which goes forwards
[04:10] <Catoptromancy> when bar is totally gone, you can turn it off
[04:12] <deCon> static is set up...it could be driver
[04:12] <Jester45> Catoptromancy: my bar never goes all the way down it stops after the 2nd little section
[04:12] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[04:12] <Catoptromancy> still after awhile it should be safe to turn off
[04:13] <Catoptromancy> "should"
[04:13] <Jester45> when i hear the disk stop i turn it off
[04:13] <Catoptromancy> works
[04:13] <Catoptromancy> heh
[04:13] <Jester45> do you know how to make it verbose so i know what its doing
[04:14] <Jester45> i didnt have it on edgy
[04:14] <vidd_laptop> let me guess...all live cd installs
[04:14] <Jester45> nope
[04:14] <Jester45> all alternative
[04:15] <Jester45> at least all my installs
[04:15] <vidd_laptop> hmmm...i never had the issue
[04:15] <Jester45> i didnt untill feisty
[04:35] <limbert65> Can one make OpenGL acceleration work on an ATI Radeon R250 (Mobility FireGL 9000) under Xubuntu Feisty?  If so, can someone point me to a HOWTO?
[04:38] <Jester45> !ati
[04:38] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:39] <limbert65> Thanks.
[04:43] <limbert65> On that HOWTO:  The instructions say it's for the 9500 Pro and up.  Mine's a 9000.  Still work?
[04:44] <Jester45> check a list of supported cards
[04:44] <Jester45> there is an opensource driver that has many working
[04:45] <Jester45> just a sec i will look into it
[04:46] <Jester45> ok run glxinfo |grep direct
[04:46] <limbert65> Did that, and direct rendering is "no".
[04:46] <Jester45> if it says yes then your ready
[04:46] <Jester45> then your not
[04:46] <Jester45> umm
[04:47] <limbert65> I've been hunting around, and the stuff I've found that mentions this card specifically all looks a bit iffy.
[04:47] <limbert65> The ones that look workable don't mention this specific card.  Not sure what to do.
[04:48] <limbert65> It really looks to me like 3D acceleration is just a no-go with this specific card.
[04:50] <Jester45> ok
[04:50] <Jester45> open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf and use pastebin to upload it
[04:50] <Jester45> !pastebin
[04:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:51] <limbert65> k
[04:51] <Jester45> or
[04:52] <Jester45> look in the file for a Section "Device"
[04:52] <Jester45> and under that should be Driver            "ati"
[04:53] <Jester45> if its somthing else then change it to "ati" and restart the xserver
[04:54] <limbert65> here's my xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21228/
[04:54] <limbert65> And it DOES say "ati" under the Radeon R250.
[04:56] <Jester45> http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_feisty_beryl_ati_radeonry using this guide
[04:56] <Jester45> you just dont have to install beryl but the guy has the same card as you
[04:57] <limbert65> Ok, I'll check that out.  Thanks.
[04:58] <crdlb> limbert65: glxinfo|grep client
[04:58] <Jester45> i think the "ati" might have to be "radeon"
[04:58] <crdlb> either is fine
[04:58] <crdlb> ati is a wrapper that loads radeon
[04:59] <limbert65> shows ATI version 1.3
[04:59] <limbert65> And on that howtoforge page, I get access denies.
[04:59] <limbert65> denied.
[05:01] <kalikiana> limbert65, http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_feisty_beryl_ati_radeon
[05:01] <limbert65> Never mind, I'm an idiot.  Had an extra letter copied in the address.  Sorry.
[05:01] <limbert65> Reading it now.
[05:02] <crdlb> limbert65: that's your problem
[05:03] <crdlb> it should say SGI
[05:03] <limbert65> beg pardon?
[05:03] <crdlb> you have fglrx installed
[05:03] <crdlb> sudo apt-get --purge remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:04] <limbert65> Please bear in mind I haven't installed any video drivers other than what came with Xubuntu Feisty.
[05:04] <crdlb> if it says ATI then you have
[05:04] <limbert65> Hmmm.
[05:04] <crdlb> and if you don't purge fglrx it won't work
[05:05] <limbert65> So if I remove fglrx, and purge, it'll revert to correct drivers?
[05:05] <crdlb> just run that command
[05:05] <crdlb> then try glxinfo|grep direct again
[05:05] <limbert65> okey dokey
[05:05] <crdlb> it interferes
[05:07] <limbert65> doing it now..
[05:08] <limbert65> You, sir, are a steely-eyed missile man.
[05:08] <limbert65> direct rendering "yes", now.
[05:08] <crdlb> np
[05:09] <limbert65> So, problem fixed, or I need to install something else?
[05:11] <crdlb> you now have open source 3d acceleration
[05:12] <limbert65> thanks for all the help.  Much appreciated.
[05:15] <kalikiana> crdlb, If glxinfo says 'Mesa GLX Indirect' although it's the open ati driver, what might be the problem?
[05:16] <crdlb> kalikiana: what card?
[05:16] <kalikiana> crdlb, 9800 Pro
[05:16] <crdlb> on feisty?
[05:16] <kalikiana> Yes.
[05:17] <crdlb> glxinfo|grep client
[05:17] <kalikiana> Says vendor: SGI
[05:17] <kalikiana> Seems wrong...
[05:18] <crdlb> that's actually right
[05:18] <crdlb> lsmod|grep radeon
[05:18] <kalikiana> radeon                124576  0
[05:18] <kalikiana> drm                    81044  1 radeon
[05:19] <crdlb> pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:21] <kalikiana> crdlb, http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpervp1c.php
[05:22] <crdlb> kalikiana: and you haven't installed fglrx?
[05:23] <kalikiana> crdlb, Nope, according to apt-get fglrx is not installed. I don't even have the restricted repository enabled.
[05:24] <crdlb> try this: sudo apt-get --reinstall install libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati
[05:33] <kalikiana> crdlb, Reinstall just finished. Direct rendering still says no. Do I have to reset or reload something?
[05:33] <crdlb> kalikiana: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:36] <kalikiana> crdlb, http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/4803
[05:37] <crdlb> I know this
[05:37] <crdlb> kalikiana: pastebin the full output of lspci
[05:37] <crdlb> this is an agp problem
[05:37] <crdlb> and I remember an ubuntu bug about it
[05:38] <kalikiana> crdlb, http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/4804
[05:39] <crdlb> I think that's it
[05:39] <crdlb> let me find the bug
[05:39] <crdlb> there's a fix
[05:39] <crdlb> bug 78684
[05:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78684 in linux-source-2.6.20 "AGP not detected on Intel 8285P and E7205 chipsets using kernels higher than 2.6.17" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78684
[05:40] <crdlb> !bug 78684
[05:40] <crdlb> the fix is to blacklist two modules
[05:40] <crdlb> !blacklist
[05:40] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u 
[05:40] <crdlb> those modules are:
[05:41] <crdlb> e7xxx_edac and edac_mc
[05:41] <crdlb> just add them on separate lines
[05:46] <crdlb> btw, this bug would affect fglrx too
[05:49] <kalikiana> crdlb, I added two 'blacklist' lines. Should I restart X now?
[05:49] <crdlb> kalikiana: no reboot
[05:50] <crdlb> that way the modules won't load
[05:52] <crdlb> kalikiana: still there?
[05:52] <kalikiana> crdlb, I was reading that bug description.
[05:52] <crdlb> apparently you need to blacklist: i82875p_edac
[05:52] <crdlb> too
[05:53] <kalikiana> crdlb, Am I not blacklisting mainboard drivers? That seems weird to me.
[05:53] <crdlb> they're just for something called edac
[05:54] <crdlb> which apparently isn't vital
[05:54] <kalikiana> Ah, okay. I'll reboot now. Thank you for your help. :)
[06:08] <kikr_> hey
[06:08] <kikr_> i'm at the xubuntu screen
[06:08] <kikr_> how do I install?
[06:08] <kikr_> I chose
[06:08] <kikr_> I chose Start or install Xubuntu, but it just loaded a gui desktop
[06:08] <kikr_> how would I install/overwrite existing os?
[06:09] <crdlb> do you see an install icon on the desktop?
[06:10] <kikr_> oh... didn't even think to look on the desktop
[07:13] <kikr_> does xubuntu come with a compiler?
[07:13] <kikr_> because i'm getting an error when trying to compile xchat
[07:13] <hitmanWilly> kikr_: you need to install the build-essential pkg
[07:14] <kikr_> how would I do that?
[07:14] <hitmanWilly> kikr_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> for some (stupid) reason, ubuntu doesn't come with gcc installed by default
[07:15] <crimsun> no, but it is on the CD.
[07:15] <kikr_> is apt-get like ports for freebsd .... and like emerge for gentoo?
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> yup, well sort of
[07:16] <kikr_> so then I could just sudo apt-get install xchat
[07:16] <Pumpernickel> It's more like packages.
[07:16] <hitmanWilly> kikr_: that works
[07:17] <hitmanWilly> unless you want to compile from source for some reason
[07:20] <kikr_> "Cannot find glib"
[07:25] <shirish> guys is there a GUI script like Autofsck or fsckdown for xubuntu?
[08:06] <Ademan_> installing the xubuntu-desktop package is paramount to installing xubuntu from the start right? (so long as you select an xfce session in gdm)
[08:07] <Ademan_> i mean obviously you'd have all the GNOME stuff as well, which would basically be cruft at that point...
[08:07] <Ademan_> but other than that
[10:26] <g1> hi, what to use for switching the keyboard layout
[10:49] <lysergide> g1 right click on panel -> add new item , from there choose kbd layout switcher.
[11:52] <Mirellie> Hello. I have a question, im using Xubuntu, how can i start partition manager?
[12:04] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: yes, you can
[12:04] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: well, what partition manager?
[12:07] <Mirellie> i was thinking about this one i used in installation process
[12:08] <Mirellie> i don't have it in application list, and don't have idea what should i type in console :)
[12:11] <grazie> Mirellie: is someone helping you? (I've just logged on)
[12:11] <Mirellie> yes, someone tried but i can type my question again
[12:12] <grazie> fire away!
[12:12] <Mirellie> i'm xubuntu user and i need to start partition maganer, same one i used in installation
[12:13] <Mirellie> (installation was from livecd)
[12:14] <grazie> gparted use to use up to edgy on the install cd, but is not installed on the hard drive. Feisty using uses another app (I can't recall the name). I'd recommend installing gparted
[12:14] <grazie> !info gparted
[12:14] <ubotu> gparted: GNOME partition editor. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.5-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 316 kB, installed size 1588 kB
[12:14] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: was jut away
[12:14] <grazie> hi hyper_ch
[12:14] <hyper_ch> hiho grazie
[12:14] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: just install gparted... what do you want to partition?
[12:14] <Mirellie> thanks a lot :)
[12:15] <Mirellie> i need to separate form my ext3 70GB partition a fat32 10GB partition
[12:17] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: hmmm.... then it's better to download the gparted live disk
[12:18] <hyper_ch> sorry... misread it :)
[12:18] <hyper_ch> well, you can't alter a partition that's mounted... so you'll have to unmount it first
[12:20] <grazie> Mirellie: if 70G partition is the xubuntu installation you'll need a livecd (xubuntu or as hyper_ch says the gparted livecd which is better)
[12:21] <Mirellie> i have 3 partitions, 1. linux, 2.swap 3.data, i need to separate 10gb from 3rd one
[12:21] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: "data"? how is that mounted?
[12:21] <Mirellie> /home
[12:21] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: then you need a livecd... xubuntu or gparted or something
[12:22] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: well, you could do it without liveCD it'll just involve a few more thing :)
[12:22] <Mirellie> hmm, i prefer doing it without livecd, its really slow :/
[12:23] <Mirellie> and this computer is old, thata why i installed xubuntu
[12:23] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: gparted live-CD is not loading a whole OS :)
[12:24] <Mirellie> oh i see, im using a xubuntu first time
[12:24] <Mirellie> so i just use live cd
[12:24] <Mirellie> thanks a lot for help
[12:24] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: you are on the live-cd?
[12:24] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: well, without live-cd it would be (1()
[12:24] <Mirellie> nope, i started xubuntu from hd
[12:25] <hyper_ch> (1) edit /etc/fstab and uncomment that your partition will be mounted into /home
[12:25] <hyper_ch> (2) reboot the system
[12:25] <hyper_ch> (3) partition the partition to your liking
[12:25] <hyper_ch> (4) have the altered partition mounted again in /home by editing your /fstab
[12:26] <hyper_ch> btw, can you open a command line terminal and execute the following command and paste it in a pastebin?
[12:26] <hyper_ch> !pastebin | Mirellie
[12:26] <ubotu> Mirellie: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:26] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: cat /etc/fstab
[12:27] <Mirellie> !pastebin | Mirellie
[12:28] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: just pastebin the output of      cat /etc/fstab
[12:28] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: and then post the pastebin url here so that I can have a look at it
[12:33] <Mirellie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21262/
[12:39] <deniz_ogut> Hi dear friends. I have some problems with the "run an application" tool, obtained by pressing Alt+F2. I can't run some terminal commands/programs via it although I check "run in terminal" box. One example is w3m, a terminal based Web browser. It comes with xubuntu as default. I can run it by opening a terminal and entering w3m command there but not neither from "run an application" tool nor from a quick launch button set to open it with in a terminal.
[12:42] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: you see this line:   UUID=7f34d7a1-65ff-4732-b62d-f86271a695e9 /home           ext3    defaults     ? this one needs to be uncommented
[12:42] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: in the terminal enter:    sudo nano /etc/fstab
[12:42] <hyper_ch> and then you put a   #   in front of that line
[12:43] <hyper_ch> after that, press    ctrl-x   for quitting nano and you will then be asked to save to modified file
[12:43] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: press "y" and enter
[12:46] <Mirellie> ok, done
[12:51] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: then you need to reboot...
[12:51] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: and then you can run gparted on that partition
[12:52] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: it will not be mounted anymore.. this means all your settings and stuff won't be loaded as they are on that partition
[12:56] <Mirellie> thanks, i downloaded "gparted-0.3.3.tar.gz" can you give me command line for installing this package?
[12:57] <Mirellie> i can google for it if thats a problem :)
[01:22] <ciro314> hello. how could i search files and folders on fesity?
[01:25] <Mirellie> hi again, im on livecd, whan i try to resize unmounted partition on gparted i got message "the following operation cannot be applied to disk"
[01:26] <Mirellie> "check filesystem on /dev/hda5 and (iff possible) fix them
[01:31] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: no clue... for me it has worked so far... better you ask in #gparted  if that channel exists
[01:32] <Mirellie> ok, thanks a lot for trying, have a nice day
[01:32] <Mirellie> cya
[02:32] <ciro314> hello. how could i search files and folders on fesity?
[02:33] <TheSheep> ciro314: ys, use 'locate' or 'find'
[02:34] <ciro314> where?
[02:36] <darrend> ciro314: do you want to search FOR files or search their contents (i.e. WITHIN them)?
[02:37] <ciro314> ... FOR
[02:37] <ciro314> i.e. mywork.zip
[02:37] <darrend> locate mywork.zip
[02:38] <darrend> locate mywork*
[02:38] <darrend> or whatever.
[02:38] <ciro314> on CLI ?
[02:38] <darrend> y
[02:38] <ciro314> it works ! thanks
[02:39] <darrend> locate is a fast search based on a database (index) that normally gets updated daily - so it won't see recent changes
[02:39] <darrend> for that use 'find'
[02:39] <darrend> do 'man locate' and 'man find'
[02:39] <ciro314> ok. thanks again
[02:39] <darrend> np
[02:41] <Alan-D> Alan-D: Morning all
[02:41] <Alan-D> I'm trying to upgrade from version 6.06 to 7.04
[02:41] <Alan-D> My current update-manager is .42.2
[02:41] <Alan-D> I'm trying to upgrade to 6.10 using the gksu "update-manager -c" command, but keep getting an error
[02:42] <Alan-D> Error message: Failed to fetch http://givre.capspace.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/packages.bz2 Sub-process returned an error code (2)
[02:42] <Alan-D> Can any one help me?
[02:44] <crimeboy> whats the size of xubuntu after installation ?
[02:45] <hyper_ch> !size
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about size - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <Alan-D> !error (2)
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about error (2) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:46] <Alan-D> !sub-process
[02:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sub-process - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:46] <gnuYou> how do I set up Firestarter, it wont auto start when I boot
[02:49] <CoRnJuLiOx> does anyone here know how to remap the delete key in xubuntu 6.06?
[02:49] <kmindi|ibm-t20> hi
[02:49] <kmindi|ibm-t20> @all
[02:50] <CoRnJuLiOx> i'm trying to make a sort of a trash can, and have the delete key send all the files there instead of deleting them permanantly
[02:50] <kmindi|ibm-t20> cool
[02:55] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: why don't you just install Thunar 0.8.0, it has the trash can already
[02:56] <CoRnJuLiOx> theres no thunar 0.8.0 package for 6.06, is there?
[02:56] <CoRnJuLiOx> apt-get said that my installed version was the latest
[02:57] <CoRnJuLiOx> it sayss 0.3.1? wow thats ol
[02:57] <CoRnJuLiOx> d
[02:57] <gnomefreak> dapper will only get security updates not new packages
[02:58] <CoRnJuLiOx> crap. i'm out of luck then.
[02:58] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: you can get it from xfce.org and compile yourself, or just upgrade to edgy
[02:59] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: it will be surely faster, easier and more reliable than implementing your own trash
[02:59] <CoRnJuLiOx> TheSheep: yeah, it probably will b
[02:59] <CoRnJuLiOx> be*
[03:20] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: are you familiar with squid?  Can I give someone access to like this? I am behinde a router and have squid running.... and someone wants to get anonmous access through my computer from the outside.... so I direct a port from the router to squid and squid makes then the query and returns results? Does that work?
[03:30] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: should work
[03:31] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: make sure to either require a password or only allow his IP -- anonymous proxies are a bad idea
[03:31] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: using only the IP
[03:31] <hyper_ch> it's my work IP... it's a dedicated one
[03:33] <hyper_ch> and why are anonymous proxies a bad idea?
[03:34] <hyper_ch> I tend to think anonymous proxies are a good idea
[03:41] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you'll change your mind as soon as you try to run an open wiki
[03:41] <hyper_ch> why compare running an open wiki to a open anonymous proxy?
[03:42] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: because when you run on open wiki, you receive lots of spam edits done via anonymous proxies
[03:42] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: and there is no way to get to the author and tell him to stop
[03:43] <hyper_ch> well, isn't that a problem of the "open wiki"?
[03:44] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: yeah, lock up everything and put 8 feet high fences everywhere
[03:45] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, I meant do those anonymous proxy people also have to subscribe in order to edit?
[03:46] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: real wikis doesn't have such thing as 'subscribing', besides the spam bots create fake user accounts without problems
[03:47] <hyper_ch> oh well, you can setup captchas or some other verification thingy
[03:47] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: locks and fences
[03:47] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: this is much more easily solved on the level of your proxy
[03:47] <hyper_ch> or some sort of moderation... like the first 10 edits need to be approved and then they can write what they want
[03:48] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, proxies are also for anonymity... a thing that gets more and more put away on the net
[03:48] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: there is no such thing as anonymity on the net
[03:48] <hyper_ch> there is some :) e.g. public wifis... :)
[03:48] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: everyone can be tracked, it's just a question of work involved
[03:49] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: but just because everyone can be tracked it doesn't mean you have to help them tracking you
[03:50] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: care to continue this amusing discussion on #xubuntu-offtopic?
[03:51] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: too many channels open already :)
[03:54] <jthomas> good day!  My 'safely remove' function mentions that I can change it to 'sync && umount'  Why is this not default?
[03:54] <hyper_ch> jthomas: ???
[03:55] <hyper_ch> jthomas: if I had a clue what you are refering to I might be able to help
[03:56] <jthomas> hyper_ch: thanks!  ok i plug in a flash drive to my Xubuntu and i can 'safely remove' it (umount it).  But i can also edit this command/button and it says 'some users may want to change it to 'sync && umount' (which should sync the data before umount it).  Why is this not the default behavior, is there a problem with syncing first??
[03:57] <hyper_ch> jthomas: when umounting it should be synced first (I tend to think)
[03:57] <TheSheep> um... I think that you always get the buffers synchronized before unmounting -- it's a part of the unmounting process...
[03:58] <hyper_ch> that's what I meant to say :)
[03:58] <jthomas> thats what i was hoping, but why would it suggest changing it?
[03:58] <TheSheep> jthomas: maybe the 'sync' it mentions is not just writing the buffers to the disk, but synchronising the content of some directories? (just guessing, depends on the application you use...)
[03:59] <TheSheep> jthomas: where do you have that option?
[04:00] <jthomas> not on Xubuntu now (at work with Kubuntu) so i cannot say for sure... maybe plugging in a USB and then right click, somewhere in there?
[04:02] <TheSheep> jthomas: I don't have such an option :/
[04:03] <jthomas> hmmm.. ok maybe in the 'control panel' thing?  sorry i really am not sure...
[04:04] <TheSheep> jthomas: control panel?
[04:04] <TheSheep> jthomas: well, just say when you can check it :)
[04:04] <jthomas> lol not sure its name, but its where one would set colours, fonts, printers, sound, etc
[04:08] <makki> hi
[04:09] <makki> gurub not load.. (error 18) can any one help
[04:12] <jthomas> TheSheep: not finding it,or given up?
[04:12] <TheSheep> jthomas: I'm sure I don't have it
[04:13] <jthomas> i'm sure that you do!! i promise!  just not sure where
[04:13] <TheSheep> jthomas: just check it when you get home
[04:13] <jthomas> will do
[04:13] <hyper_ch> what are you looking for?
[04:13] <jthomas> good day!  My 'safely remove' function mentions that I can change it to 'sync && umount'  Why is this not default?
[04:14] <hyper_ch> jthomas: where is that function?
[04:14] <jthomas> lol we don't know and i am not on Xubuntu right now
[04:16] <hyper_ch> thunar just gives "unmount volume" and that's fine
[04:19] <jthomas> hmmm
[06:38] <roger21> hello
[06:39] <roger21> how do i say xscreensaver not to ask for password
[06:39] <roger21> ?
[06:49] <deCon> go to screensaver settings in applications/settings
[06:50] <roger21> ok
[06:51] <roger21> and ?
[07:00] <TheSheep> roger21: disable 'lock screen'
[07:02] <roger21> ok but when i close and open my laptop or go on suspend it still ask for my password
[07:02] <roger21> i hate that
[07:49] <hwMoD|buntu> hi - how can I create a keyboard shortcut to show desktop?
[08:01] <IndyGunFreak> i'm trying to set up a custom icon for when my camera launches, now, it just shows it like a hard drive, how would i change this?
[08:15] <Keystroke> hi.
[08:18] <IndyGunFreak> I'm trying to set up a custom icon for when my camera launches, now, it just shows up like a hard drive, how would i change this?
[08:38] <yallaxx> guys i need some help here.. i get grub error 21 when trying to boot..here is my menu.list and device map: http://pastebin.ca/493332 ,i installed ubuntu on sda10  i also got winxp on sda1 and vista on sda7, also i got a second hd sdb with 2 partitions on..i used to have ubuntu on that aswell
[08:44] <deniz_ogut> yallax: This may be helpful: Bug #8978. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/8978
[08:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 8978 in grub "Grub - Error 21 returned" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8978
[08:51] <Grey_Loki> How good is the cardbus support in Xubuntu? I want to add (bus powered, if possible) firewire support to an older packard bell laptop - would it just be a case of 'plug and play'?
[08:55] <sacater> when is the Gutsy beta's or herds released
[08:55] <sacater> is it some time in june?
[09:04] <Grey_Loki> sacater, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule is about all the information you're going to get, I think
[09:10] <kikr>  hey
[09:10] <kikr> I did "sudo hostname kikrbox" and now I can't run any apps
[09:10] <kikr> why is this
[09:20] <hyper_ch> Grey_Loki: is there a gutsy iso?
[09:21] <Grey_Loki> hyper_ch, I don't know - I haven't looked
[09:21] <hyper_ch> Grey_Loki: :) I miss my daily updates
[09:23] <Grey_Loki> Heh
[09:40] <kent> does xorg get really really big with an inadequate graphics card?
[09:41] <kent> !xorg
[09:41] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:42] <kent> even using blackbox, xorg slowly rises to 200 megs of resident space
[09:44] <TheSheep> kent: close firefox
[09:44] <kent> use opera?
[09:44] <TheSheep> kent: use less tabs
[09:44] <kent> ok
[09:44] <TheSheep> kent: it's because the web browsers keep each tab as an image in X's memory
[09:45] <kent> oohhh
[09:45] <kent> on my parent's computer, xfce only uses less than 256, but on my computer, it uses 2/3 of 512MB of ram
[09:46] <Grey_Loki> TheSheep, if you used several instances of say, Konqueror, would that take less than the same number of websites open in tabs in fire/swiftfox, or opera?
[09:46] <Grey_Loki> *less memory space
[09:46] <TheSheep> Grey_Loki: I don't think so
[09:46] <kent> i changed my swappiness to 10
[09:47] <TheSheep> Grey_Loki: the idea is to limit the number of pages you have opened at the same time :)
[09:47] <kent> ok, i see, TheSheep , i can restart x with cntrl alt del
[09:48] <Grey_Loki> I noticed that both Opera and Firefox were really hogging resources - I thought it was something to do with the browsers, not my browsing habits
[09:48] <Grey_Loki> What would the best non-tabbed (preferably native) linux web browser be?
[09:48] <kent> dillo?
[09:48] <TheSheep> Grey_Loki: the only solution would be to keep the pages downloaded but not rendered, and render them every time you switch tabs -- but that hard on the cpu
[09:49] <TheSheep> Grey_Loki: well, you can just disabletabs in firefox :)
[09:49] <Grey_Loki> Hehe
[09:49] <kent> yeah, that would solve things :)
[09:49] <Grey_Loki> Come to think of it, I think you could do that in Opera, too
[10:22] <am_>  hi,  i installed xubuntu fiesty and I want to add fluxbox as an additional wm.  I found a guide that tells me to run this command ("echo "exec startfluxbox" > ~/.xinitrc).   Won't this overwrite xfce ?
[10:24] <maxamillion> am_: uhmm... don't listen to that guide
[10:24] <maxamillion> am_: just do "sudo aptitude install fluxbox" and then everything is installed and in place, you just have to log out, and select fluxbox as the session you want and then login .... easy as that
[10:25] <maxamillion> am_: apt-get, synaptic, etc will work also (i just like aptitude)
[10:29] <gop> hey
[10:29] <maxamillion> hello
[10:29] <gop> any here know if it possible to install ubuntu or xubuntu on a usb hard drive external encousler
[10:30] <gop> do I do a normal install
[10:30] <gop> can I bring the usb drive anywhere and it have it load up
[10:30] <gop> with ubuntu
[10:30] <maxamillion> gop: yes, i've heard of many people installing it on usb devices .... i don't entirely know how, but i know it can be done
[10:30] <gop> where would I get information on this
[10:30] <maxamillion> gop: http://linutop.com/ <--- company that does it ... lemme find you a link about how to do it
[10:32] <maxamillion> gop: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent?action=show&redirect=LiveUsbStick
[10:33] <gop> ahh I got usb pen drive
[10:33] <gop> but I mean a usb 3.5 hard drive
[10:33] <gop> ide to usb encoulser
[10:33] <Grey_Loki> gop, I think it would be the same method
[10:33] <gop> o oh k
[10:34] <Grey_Loki> Since they're both USB storage devices - one is just bigger than the other
[10:34] <gop> oh hmm so true
[10:35] <gop> let me try and I assume I could leave some space for ntfs
[10:35] <maxamillion> yeah
[10:35] <maxamillion> the system sees them the same
[10:36] <gop> cool
[10:36] <maxamillion> :)
[10:36] <Grey_Loki> Although in this case, you would have to make sure that the computer you're going to be using is able to boot from a USB device.
[10:36] <gop> my dell does
[10:36] <gop> f12
[10:37] <maxamillion> brb
[10:37] <Grey_Loki> Well in that case, it's all good ;)
[10:38] <gop> hmm Unable to seek on /dev/sdd
[10:39] <gop> boo
[10:39] <gop> Unable to seek on /dev/sdd
[10:45] <maxamillion> back
[11:18] <b52laptop> hi
[11:18] <Merchelo> evening
[11:19] <b52laptop> euh please my sound card have stopped to worked !? she was working but  i don't hear any more any sound
[11:20] <Merchelo> do you have the volume applet for xfce?
[11:21] <b52laptop> yeap
[11:21] <b52laptop> the volume applet is ok
[11:21] <b52laptop> the select the right value in the mixer too
[11:25] <b52laptop> in fact there is a sound and suddently it stopped !! and then sound again !!
[11:27] <b52laptop> :(
[11:50] <T`> anyone here use xubuntu with dvorak? i'm trying to see how to get that layout into the layout changer
[11:51] <T`> anyone here use xubuntu with dvorak? i'm trying to see how to get that layout into the layout changer
[11:51] <T`> err..
[11:51] <T`> sorry for the repost
[11:55] <Merchelo> !dvorak | T`
[11:55] <ubotu> T`: dvorak is a keyboard layout that aims to be more comfortable and efficient alternative to the standard "QWERTY" pattern. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard
[11:56] <Merchelo> hah
[11:56] <T`> Merchelo, eh?
[11:56] <Merchelo> yeah, my bad, or maybe it's the bot's fault...
[12:03] <IndyGunFreak> how do you change a device icon(for instance, usb hard drive), in Xfce?
[12:06] <IndyGunFreak> anybody?
[12:14] <blizz> hey there
[12:14] <q-t> Hey, when I try to install xubuntu, it wont format my harddrive.....O_o
[12:15] <Pumpernickel> Yeah, there are a couple bugs related to that.
[12:15] <q-t> ok
[12:15] <q-t> anything i can do?
[12:15] <Pumpernickel> LiveCD installer, right?
[12:15] <q-t> yupp
[12:16] <q-t> I tried to figure out the fdisk, but....
[12:16] <blizz> is there a good n64 emulator packaged somewhere?
[12:16] <Pumpernickel> bug 107259
[12:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[12:17] <Pumpernickel> There's a workaround posted there.
[12:20] <IndyGunFreak> Pumpernickel: how do i change the default icon(like for a USB hard drive), with Xfce/Xubuntu 7.04
[12:21] <q-t> just to double check, I got some advice to 'update-rc.d -f gdm remove' to make xubuntu not start into X before I type startx on boot up. This is correct? It wont go back to booting directly into X the next time or something?
[12:21] <Pumpernickel> Nah, that would work.
[12:21] <maxamillion> q-t: yeah, that sounds about right
[12:22] <q-t> kool, having alot of trouble with my graph card, and last time i tried to make it work, the whole thing wouldnt start again, but this time i want to make it so i choose to start x
[12:23] <maxamillion> q-t: fair enough
[12:23] <q-t> hehe
[12:25] <q-t> Anyone here know much about vertical sync on graph cards? How do you know what to pick when you configure it manually?