[12:15] <fdoving> _StefanS_: my hack works, but konqueror crashes when trying to open audiocd:/?device=/dev/scd0 - ejecting works though :)
[12:15] <_StefanS_> fdoving: hmm, maybe we should just put the device node thingy inside the kio_unmounter thing
[12:16] <fdoving> _StefanS_: nevermind, my hack works. just had to install konqueror from the same build.
[12:17] <_StefanS_> fdoving: oka fine :)
[12:17] <fdoving> _StefanS_: does your work? i belive they do exactly the same thing in different places.
[12:17] <_StefanS_> fdoving: well I had to create a QString first, and you sort of beat me to it
[12:18] <_StefanS_> fdoving: should work, yes
[12:18] <_StefanS_> fdoving: neverming, please tell Tonio_ about it, he asked me about it recently
[12:18] <_StefanS_> neverming/nevermind
[12:18] <_StefanS_> I will just go on with the knm/leap thingy
[12:19] <fdoving> what's that?
[12:19] <fdoving> the disconnected-state thing?
[12:19] <_StefanS_> fdoving: nope, the LEAP support in knetworkmanager
[12:19] <fdoving> oh. ok.
[12:19] <_StefanS_> fdoving: like PEAP
[12:19] <_StefanS_> yep, the localhost/127.0.0.1 i dont know about
[12:20] <_StefanS_> saw your comment on that bug about the network awareness you could disable to solve it
[12:20] <_StefanS_> however I feel that it should be fixed though.
[12:21] <fdoving> some magic dcop call from /etc/network/if-up.d/ to set the connectionstate would be nice.
[12:21] <_StefanS_> fdoving: uhm yep, but do we need knm to fiddle with on/offline settings at all?
[12:21] <fdoving> or just drop the networkstatus-thing at a whole, it's useless anyway, if you're not online you'll get problems doing things online.
[12:22] <_StefanS_> sort of the same thing I'm saying, just in a different place :D
[12:23] <fdoving> _StefanS_: no, but do we need a daemon in the background always saying "we're online, there are no programs running to tell me otherwise", if we just disable that app, i belive it would be solved.
[12:23] <_StefanS_> fdoving: yes you're right... seems worthless anyways.
[12:23] <fdoving> i'm not aware of anything smart that daemon does.
[12:23] <fdoving> maybe some kmail magic.
[12:23] <fdoving> it's in kdepim so..
[12:24] <_StefanS_> I say we lose it
[12:24] <_StefanS_> but that may be up to some discussion later on..
[12:24] <fdoving> yep.
[12:24] <_StefanS_> gotta hit the bed, the kid wakes up at 6.30 tomorrow morning.
[12:25] <_StefanS_> see you tomorrow probably
[12:25] <fdoving> yeah, me too.
[12:25] <fdoving> nite.
[12:25] <_StefanS_> nighty !
[12:33] <manchicken> Wife == zzz
[12:33] <manchicken> Err, Wife.status() == ZZZ
[12:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:36] <mhb> manchicken: you didn't tell us much
[12:36] <mhb> manchicken: is the result true or false
[12:36] <mhb> ?
[12:37] <manchicken> mhb: Not any more.
[12:37] <manchicken> You asked too late.
[12:37] <ajmitch> hey manchicken
[12:37] <manchicken> The real code block would be...
[12:37] <manchicken> while (Mike.notBusy()) { Wife.sleep() };
[12:37] <manchicken> ajmitch: Howdy.
[12:38] <mhb> manchicken: well you coded a comparison (==) , so I wondered if that returns true or false
[12:38] <manchicken> Did about 3 minutes ago.  Doesn't now :)
[12:39] <mhb> manchicken: I'm unable to compile adept from SVN today :o) too many "undefined references"
[12:40] <manchicken> mhb: Do you have libept and all of that installed?
[12:40] <manchicken> That was the hard part for me.
[12:40] <manchicken> All of the new dependencies.
[12:41] <manchicken> libtagcoll
[12:41] <manchicken> Okay, I'm gonna boogie.
[12:41] <mhb> manchicken: yeah
[12:41] <mhb> manchicken: it compiles fine
[12:41] <mhb> manchicken: but seems to "not find the libraries"
[12:42] <manchicken> Well look closely at what it says it's linking and what paths it's looking at.
[12:42] <mhb> manchicken: there is only a "libtagcoll2-dev" package, no "libtagcoll2" lib ... hope that's not an issue
[12:42] <manchicken> I'm gonna go chill with my wife for now.
[12:42] <manchicken> Naw, the packages are named weird.
[12:42] <mhb> manchicken: see you later
[12:42] <mhb> manchicken: mostly complaining about tagcoll
[12:57] <mhb> another mhb-like stupid question coming up, everyone hide! Okay ... is it normal for KDE to load after the splash screen is gone?
[12:58] <mhb> I wait till the splash is gone and then I have to wait the same time before the system is usable
[12:58] <mhb> (and I always remind myself how I hate to see the "K" bouncing logo)
[12:59] <fdoving> mhb: i guess it is normal for the session to be restored after the splash is gone.
[12:59] <fdoving> things you keep in the systray etc.
[01:01] <mhb> fdoving: the thing why I ask is because I've heard people complain about this
[01:01] <mhb> the splash screen is there in order to hide the system loading
[01:02] <mhb> but I see the "incomplete" system even after that
[01:03] <mhb> I believe that a clean Kubuntu system should be ready when the splash screen is gone
[01:03] <fdoving> isn't it?
[01:03] <mhb> I have three computers around, and it is ready on none of them
[01:04] <mhb> I always see the "bouncing" K logo painting all over itself (an ugly effect indeed)
[01:04] <fdoving> that should be disabled.
[01:04] <fdoving> it's ugly and it's easy to disable.
[01:05] <fdoving> or replace with something more discret.
[01:05] <yuriy> but still, the system isn't all the way up once the splash scren is gone
[01:05] <mhb> exactly
[01:05] <yuriy> especially when you have a session being restored
[01:05] <mhb> yuriy: well, people can expect a delay when they restore several apps like me
[01:06] <mhb> yuriy: but on machines I work with, even a clean user does have to wait several seconds
[01:06] <fdoving> i doubt there is much we can do about that, we can of course rewrite ksmserver, but i won't do it.
[01:06] <yuriy> everything gets launched after the splash screen
[01:06] <yuriy> mhb: but one of the things in ksplash (which i know is all bs) is restoring session so i would expect it to do it then
[01:06] <mhb> yuriy: true, that's the last icon
[01:06] <yuriy> ksmserver is rewritten in kde4, no?
[01:07] <mhb> fdoving: I don't expect that from you :o) I just wanted to share the information and ask about it
[01:07] <mhb> fdoving: by the way, how can I disable the bouncing K logo?
[01:08] <mhb> fdoving: without disabling the other bouncing icons
[01:08] <fdoving> mhb: kmenu -> run command 'kcmshell kcmlaunch'
[01:08] <fdoving> oh, you like bouncing icons?
[01:08] <fdoving> i use a passive busy cursor for everything.
[01:09] <mhb> fdoving: no, I hate them :o) but I know other devs do want them in Kubuntu
[01:09] <mhb> fdoving: so I wondered if you can disable just the "K" one
[01:09] <mhb> fdoving: because that one is completely unnecessary
[01:09] <fdoving> not that i'm aware of.
[01:10] <mhb> fdoving: well, at least there is somebody who shares my dislike of bouncing icons :o)
[01:11] <fdoving> we could probably execute the last step in the ksplash externally from within a startupscript that is loaded from the autostart folder or something like that.
[01:11] <fdoving> execute/finish.
[01:19] <mhb> that could work
[01:25] <fdoving> i'll have a look some day.
[01:25] <fdoving> poke me if i forget it.
[01:25] <fdoving> now i need some sleep.
[01:25] <fdoving> nite.
[01:26] <mhb> fdoving: goodnight
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[01:54] <Hobbsee> will write results later.
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[03:02] <ajmitch> some people get really confused with launchpad
[03:02] <ajmitch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-7
[03:03] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: errr....yeah.
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[03:04] <Hobbsee> ooh, adept works
[03:04] <ajmitch> that's useful
[03:05] <Hobbsee> err...i shouldnt delete the kernel i'm running.
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[03:07] <ajmitch> why not?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> dunno
[03:07] <Hobbsee> perhaps i should try
[03:07] <ajmitch> any modules you should need should already be running
[03:08] <ajmitch> as long as they don't get unloaded & then need reloaded
[03:08] <Hobbsee> true
[03:08] <Hobbsee> but still
[03:08] <ajmitch> live on the edge a bit
[03:08] <Hobbsee> heh
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[03:17] <Hobbsee> bah. adept crashed.
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[04:12] <crimsun> qt frontend for asoundconf 50% complete, testing. :)
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[04:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato!
[04:33] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee!!
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[04:34] <Hobbsee> ahh
[04:34] <crimsun> qt designer and pyqt are so nice.
[04:35] <Jucato> qt4 designer :)
[04:35] <crimsun> nope, writing this for 7.10, so no qt4
[04:35] <crimsun> right now it's nicer than its gtk2 counterpart ;)
[04:35] <Jucato> well, I meant that I like the default mode of qt 4 designer better :)
[04:36] <Jucato> warning: GIMP-ish UI :P
[04:36] <crimsun> [actually its gtk2 counterpart is all but unusable by default] 
[04:36] <Jucato> hm... I'm quite ignorant. what's GTK+'s counterpart to Qt (designer?)?
[04:37] <crimsun> I'm referring to asoundconf-gtk
[04:37] <Jucato> aaaaaaaah
[04:37] <crimsun> try it.  It's nasty (no offense to its creator).
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[05:17] <Hobbsee> my firefox and thunderbird looks terrible.
[05:28] <crimsun> rewrite firefox and moz-tbird in Qt3?  :-)
[05:41] <Jucato> lol
[05:41] <Jucato> my reactions are late :)
[05:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: the other way is to use QtCurve for KDE and GNOME apps :)
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hehe.  true
[05:46] <Hobbsee> crimsun: firefox has a half-port - unfortunately it's nto complete
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[05:47] <Hobbsee> :)
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Adios Espania! | Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
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[07:05] <manchicken> w00t!  I have to report the bad bacon disease to the federal government!
[07:05] <bddebian> bad bacon disease?
[07:06] <manchicken> Yeah.  I came home from Spain with a weird stomach bug that really caused a high fever and... other problems.
[07:07] <bddebian> Joy
[07:07] <manchicken> Yup.
[07:07] <manchicken> I have to report it to the CDC.
[07:07] <manchicken> Or, my doctor did.
[07:08] <manchicken> I just have to answer questions.
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[07:15] <manchicken> Back in a bit.
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[08:14] <SlimG2> When I start konqueror 3.5.6 (kubuntu 7.04), and then a tab with $HOME, and then "View > View Mode > Detailed List View" Konqueror doesn't write a $HOME/.directory file and thus forgets for future use that I prefer "Detailed List View", what's wrong?
[08:16] <SlimG2> If I create $HOME/.directory with "ViewMode=konq_detailedlistview" it works like I want it, so the question is why doesn't konqueror create this file by itself?