[12:58] <cypherdelic_> hello
[12:59] <cypherdelic_> im currently upgrading packets to gutsy
[12:59] <cypherdelic_> lets rock
[01:53] <cypherdelic> my synaptic and apt-get are crippled because of havp. i cant either install, nor remove it or update and and blocking me from updating to gutsy
[01:54] <cypherdelic> the preremoval script flunc me out because havp does not even is running
[01:54] <cypherdelic> because filesystem is not in mandatory mode
[01:55] <cypherdelic> so i edited /etc/fstab and added ,mand right after errors=remount-ro
[01:56] <cypherdelic> but it's still the same
[02:00] <cypherdelic> please help
[02:04] <cypherdelic> UUID=a4e89dae-348f-4d5d-90e0-da29f660fbcc /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro,mand 0       1
[02:04] <cypherdelic> Starting havp: Starting HAVP Version: 0.82
[02:04] <cypherdelic> Filesystem not supporting mandatory locks!
[02:04] <cypherdelic> On Linux, you need to mount filesystem with "-o mand"
[02:04] <cypherdelic> Exiting..
[02:11] <gnomefreak> !info havp gutsy
[02:11] <ubotu> havp: HTTP Anti Virus Proxy. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.85-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 153 kB, installed size 932 kB
[02:12] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: get rid of it off your pc its not installed on mine
[02:12] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: your upgrade is failing due to broken gutsy
[02:12] <gnomefreak> hint dont upgrade yet
[02:12] <cypherdelic> it was exactly the same error with feisty i swear to all goddamn it-gods EXACTLY
[02:13] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: cant be since hapv doesnt exist in feisty
[02:13] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: unless you installed it from unofficial repos or unofficial deb
[02:13] <cypherdelic> so why was that message annoying me for weeks????
[02:14] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: you most likely have a mixed system
[02:14] <cypherdelic> i just want to uninstall remove clean eliminate any of it
[02:14] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: some gutsy packages with some feisty packages
[02:14] <cypherdelic> not to upgrade
[02:14] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: i suggest you install feisty from ISO and wait to upgrade to gutsy for a while
[02:14] <gnomefreak> mixed system == no going backwards
[02:15] <cypherdelic> gnomefreak: I am running Feisty
[02:15] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: with gutsy packages
[02:15] <cypherdelic> please listen carefully
[02:15] <cypherdelic> no
[02:15] <cypherdelic> NO no no
[02:15] <gnomefreak> !info havp feisty
[02:15] <ubotu> havp: HTTP Anti Virus Proxy. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.82-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 139 kB, installed size 880 kB
[02:15] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[02:15] <cypherdelic> please listen for one secand
[02:15] <cypherdelic> +i WANT to update, but at the moment i DIDN'T, listen
[02:16] <cypherdelic> apt-get downloaded 260mb
[02:16] <cypherdelic> packages from gutsy
[02:16] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: ok look if your on feisty leave the word gutsy out of your questions and bring it back to #ubuntu. DO NOT UPGRADE YET
[02:16] <cypherdelic> only downloaded to cashe
[02:16] <jrib> .85 is a gutsy version
[02:16] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: than sudo apt-get auto-clean
[02:16] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: make sure you do that before you run dpkg
[02:17] <jrib> cypherdelic: at this point you can try various hacks to force things, but I'd strongly recommend you make backups now
[02:17] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: hint gutsy is broken dont upgrade to it. fix your feisty install and call it a day downloading packages is one step the way you dont want to go
[02:18] <cypherdelic> you expect me what i wanna do, you dont know me
[02:19] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: im warning you as i have 2 gutsy systems
[02:19] <gnomefreak> and im packaging for gutsy
[02:19] <gnomefreak> this is not really a support channel at this point since there is nothing really to support.
[02:19] <cypherdelic> im getting a bowner of installing bleeding edge, ok?
[02:19] <cypherdelic> boner
[02:19] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: it looks like its erroring on setting up btw
[02:20] <cypherdelic> i was with feisty from alpha
[02:20] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: heres a hint hack it until it removes and uninstalls than try again. im assuming you know how to do that since you want to run gutsy
[02:20] <gnomefreak> if you dont know how man apt-get and man dpkg
[02:21] <gnomefreak> s/ how man/how than man
[02:21] <cypherdelic> i already tried force-yes and ignore-various, no effect
[02:22] <cypherdelic> i know how to use 'man' i already did, thats why i came here
[02:22] <gnomefreak> doesnt remember a force-yes
[02:22] <gnomefreak> i do remember a --force-all
[02:22] <gnomefreak> or a dpkg -r package
[02:22] <gnomefreak> or apt-get remove --purge package
[02:22] <gnomefreak> sudo dpkg --config -a
[02:23] <gnomefreak> and a few others you may need to run. but again its not advisable to upgrade as more than likely in the next few days you will lose X and a few other things
[02:23] <gnomefreak> but do as you wish but you were warned before hand
[02:24] <cypherdelic> doesnt work packe is inconsistant
[02:24] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: hence the part where me and jrib said "hack it"
[02:25] <gnomefreak> hint find everyplace it was installed to find the files to edit or remove
[02:25] <cypherdelic> dont be phylosific
[02:25] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: im being serious nothing more
[02:25] <Jordan_U> cypherdelic, Your problem is probably in /etc/init.d/havp
[02:26] <cypherdelic> i can imagine thousand things of hacking but definetly NOT hacking an inconsitent package
[02:26] <cypherdelic> i have no idea
[02:26] <cables> Where can I find a roadmap/list of planned changes or particular areas of focus for Gutsy?
[02:26] <gnomefreak> problem is caused by a broken package
[02:26] <Jordan_U> cypherdelic, You may be able to make dpkg happy by simply moving that file and putting a blank one in it's place
[02:26] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: Jordan_U gave you a place to start looking
[02:27] <cypherdelic> Jordan_U: that file exist thats not the problem
[02:27] <jrib> cables: check the specs on launchpad
[02:27] <cypherdelic> i looked there before
[02:27] <jrib> cypherdelic: read the script that's failing
[02:27] <cypherdelic> please dont talk to me like a noob or a kid
[02:27] <cables> jrib, where on Launchpad would I find it?
[02:27] <cypherdelic> come to the point and make it clear
[02:27] <jrib> cables: "blueprints"
[02:28] <cables> cypherdelic, you're using VERY alpha software, and you're upset by a bug. You've got to be patient.
[02:28] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: 20:26 <        Jordan_U > cypherdelic, You may be able to make dpkg happy by  simply moving that file and putting a blank one in  it's place
[02:28] <gnomefreak> its not alpha yet
[02:28] <gnomefreak> it hasnt been released for public use
[02:28] <cypherdelic> cables:  definetly using final software
[02:28] <cables> gnomefreak, well, then below Alpha.
[02:29] <cypherdelic> hey im with feisty final
[02:29] <cypherdelic> i have a package that i cant uninstall
[02:29] <cables> Why are you here then?
[02:29] <Jordan_U> cypherdelic, Try commenting out lines 36 and 37
[02:29] <cypherdelic> I already found the script thats making problems
[02:29] <cypherdelic> i posted the link
[02:29] <cables> cypherdelic, why were you sent to this channel if you're using Feisty?
[02:30] <Jordan_U> cypherdelic, The link you posted to me what just the output from apt
[02:30] <jrib> cables: he tried to upgrade to gutsy
[02:30] <Jordan_U> s/what/was
[02:30] <cypherdelic> i believe some of you just throwing their standard issuefixies out dont care if it is usefull or not
[02:30] <cypherdelic> yes
[02:30] <cables> cypherdelic, I wouldn't call it "feisty final" if it's a half-upgraded and broken system.
[02:30] <cypherdelic> Jordan_U: so would you please tell me how to put my ext3 to mandatory mode?
[02:31] <Jordan_U> cypherdelic, Have you tried commenting out line 36 and 37 in /etc/inti.d/havp and running apt-get install ?
[02:31] <cypherdelic> that i can start havp finally
[02:31] <cypherdelic> as i asked at the very beginning
[02:31] <Jordan_U> cypherdelic, That should at least let you remove havp
[02:31] <cypherdelic> and then getting the preremoval script stop it
[02:31] <cypherdelic> and im fine, your fine
[02:32] <cypherdelic> i can go on shoout my os with gutsy, please dont care
[02:32] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: did you run mv /etc/init.d/havp /etc/init.d/havp.1 yet with sudo? and see if it fixed your problem?
[02:32] <Jordan_U> cypherdelic, Have you tried commenting out line 36 and 37 in /etc/inti.d/havp and running apt-get install ?
[02:32] <Jordan_U> cypherdelic, That should let you remove the package
[02:33] <cables> Is there any way to get Gutsy ISOs, or are they not built yet? I'd like to try it in VMware. (Did I already ask this? I scrolled up and it doesn't look like it, but I remember asking)
[02:33] <gnomefreak> cables: not buiolt yet
[02:33] <gnomefreak> built*
[02:33] <Hobbsee> cables: doesnt work.
[02:33] <gnomefreak> cables: we are working through an X merge atm now is not a good time
[02:33] <cables> ok
[02:33] <cables> could I try it by upgrading from Feisty, or are the repos incomplete?
[02:33] <gnomefreak> not to mention the kernel merges
[02:34] <catid> omg SLUB should not be in the stable kernel =(
[02:34] <gnomefreak> cables: incomplete as there are gutsy and feisty packages mixed and alot of things wont work until rebuilt
[02:34] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's working okay, for the most part
[02:34] <catid> it BUG()s on my usb webcam
[02:34] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: my machine hasnt blown up all morning
[02:34] <cables> gnomefreak, ok, thanks for your info
[02:34] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i have 2 gutsy systmes
[02:34] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: but i've had to fix some things in it, yes.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> right
[02:34] <Jordan_U> cables, You can try it but it will probably fail miserably, should be fun as long as it's just a VM :)
[02:34] <catid> and it makes e1000 ethernet cards lag the whole computer on tx
[02:34] <cables> Hobbsee, how often does your machine deflagrate?
[02:35] <gnomefreak> plus a number of chroots
[02:35] <Hobbsee> cables: deflagrate?
[02:35] <gnomefreak> break maybe he means
[02:35] <catid> Hobbsee: destroy flags
[02:35] <cables> Hobbsee, burn up, explode, blow up :)
[02:35] <gnomefreak> im not sure the meaning of that word either
[02:35] <cypherdelic> Jordan_U: no that didnt work
[02:35] <cables> ooh was I using that word incorrectly?
[02:35] <catid> cables: conflagrate perhaps?
[02:35] <cypherdelic> uninstall didnt work because its still inconsistant
[02:36] <cables> aha
[02:36] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: you edited it with sudo ?
[02:36] <cypherdelic> and install didnt work that way
[02:36] <cables> the dictionary app says I'm right :)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> cables: not most days.  depends.  depends how you define "break" too
[02:36] <catid> cables wins
[02:36] <gnomefreak> cables: im sure you are
[02:36] <cypherdelic> of course as i said please dont handle me as a noob
[02:36] <Jordan_U> cypherdelic, Sorry, I forgot the -f after install, ie, sudo apt-get -f install
[02:36] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: did you try the simple way yet?
[02:36] <Jordan_U> cypherdelic, or sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:37] <gnomefreak> move the file it will regen itself during dpkg --config -a
[02:37] <cypherdelic> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:37] <gnomefreak> *should*
[02:37] <catid> CFSv13 is more awesome than the rest
[02:37] <Jordan_U> cypherdelic, Try commenting out lines 42 and 43 also
[02:37] <catid> swap prefetch is slick too, they work great
[02:38] <sparr> short of running my own repository mirror and keeping a symlink updated, is there any way to always use the latest ubuntu packages without updating my sources every few months?
[02:38] <cypherdelic> im triha its generating my initramfs for gutsy kernel
[02:39] <Hobbsee> sparr: no.  but you probably dont want to, either.
[02:39] <gnomefreak> sparr: chroots but you wont get new kernels. maybe vmware but you dont have a gutsy ISO yet
[02:39] <sparr> gnomefreak: huh?
[02:40] <gnomefreak> sparr: gutsy chroot than install the new packages and use them. install gutsy in vmware when a good gutsy ISO is out
[02:40] <Hobbsee> and yay @ people who ask the same thing in multiple channels...
[02:40] <cypherdelic> gnomefreak: thanks it seem to work
[02:40] <sparr> gnomefreak: i fail to see how that is at all relevant to my question
[02:40] <cypherdelic> it finally updated havp
[02:40] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: can we please place a sign on door that says man mv before upgrading
[02:41] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: i know it would. it has to regen itself upon starting
[02:41] <gnomefreak> it regens itself with gutsys version
[02:41] <cypherdelic> gnomefreak: thanks for your effort handling my bad constitution :)
[02:41] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: sure, but no one will read it.
[02:41] <gnomefreak> ^^^ helpfull things to know incase more breakage
[02:41] <Jordan_U> cypherdelic, Note that havp isn't actually fixed, I just made dpkg stop complaining so you could remove it
[02:42] <cypherdelic> germany is getting as crazy as usa im getting little more nervous every day :D
[02:42] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: now remove the old /etc/..... profile and you should be fine atleast for that issue
[02:42] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: what's wrong with mv?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: oh, as in, "make a backup"?
[02:42] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: yep
[02:42] <Hobbsee> right, eyah
[02:43] <gnomefreak> failing file mv it start over
[02:43] <cypherdelic> Jordan_U: it updated finally to a newer version so i think the init.d script was replaced wasnt it?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> didnt have a CD, and the bandwidth was so good at UDS...
[02:43] <Jordan_U> cypherdelic, Only if the script was changed, check it to be sure.
[02:44] <cypherdelic> im going for a risky dist-upgrade now
[02:44] <cypherdelic> i dont really care about havp
[02:44] <jcole> cypherdelic: you should always pin before you add repos
[02:44] <cypherdelic> as long as it is not annoying my with bugs during apt-get session im fine
[02:44] <Hobbsee> jcole: pin what?
[02:45] <jcole> Hobbsee: /etc/apt/preferences
[02:45] <cypherdelic> jcole: why should i do that? that way is more fun
[02:45] <catid> so does Ubuntu really use event-based startup with upstart?  why is everything still in init.d and not event.d?
[02:45] <cypherdelic> all my data is on crypted volume
[02:45] <Hobbsee> jcole: empty file
[02:45] <cypherdelic> i have no fear
[02:45] <jcole> cypherdelic: depends what your definition of fun is, lol
[02:46] <cypherdelic> im a apprentice in it-systemengineer
[02:46] <cypherdelic> and my collegues are the guys who cheat every certificate and doing lan all day, using vista
[02:46] <jcole> Hobbsee: ya, it is by default, here's mine -> http://pastebin.ca/493948
[02:46] <cypherdelic> i assume bleeding edge ubuntu to be FUN
[02:46] <cypherdelic> :D :D :D
[02:46] <Hobbsee> jcole: ah right
[02:46] <catid> oh it is
[02:47] <Hobbsee> cypherdelic: when it boots, yes.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> cypherdelic: and when X works.
[02:47] <sparr> i switch from release to bleeding edge every time i realize that bleeding edge has a package i need
[02:47] <jcole> sparr: backports
[02:47] <sparr> no way in hell am i waiting 6 months to get a version of [whatever]  that came out one day too late to make the last release
[02:47] <sparr> jcole: if i felt like maintaining backports, i would just run gentoo
[02:48] <cypherdelic> if not im trying again, im with 16mbit, i install, update, config everything in less then three hours
[02:48] <catid> cypherdelic: you'll be amused for days trying to get your system to boot again.  whee
[02:48] <catid> cypherdelic: it beats playing video games like all your windows frens
[02:48] <cypherdelic> dont blame my entertainment education
[02:48] <jcole> sparr: backports are unsupported packaged for older releases that are in newer releases
[02:48] <jcole> packages*
[02:49] <sparr> jcole: im well aware of that.
[02:49] <sparr> i dont feel like compiling or packaging them, and no one is going to do it for me, so im stuck using the newer releases
[02:49] <sparr> and pre-releases
[02:49] <jcole> /info sparr
[02:49] <jcole> heh
[02:49] <sparr> im on gutsy now waiting for a new version of wine, actually
[02:49] <Hobbsee> sparr: which is all good, assuming it boots.
[02:50] <sparr> Hobbsee: assuming what boots?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> sparr: gutsy.
[02:50] <jcole> sparr: add the wine repos then
[02:50] <Hobbsee> jcole: doesnt happen for the development version of ubuntu
[02:50] <sparr> jcole: no.
[02:50] <cypherdelic> catid: but in contrast to my interest my employer doesnt like my attidues, im kinda rebel
[02:50] <jcole> sparr: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[02:50] <sparr> jcole: well, yes, but "no" in the sense that most apps dont have their own repos
[02:51] <Hobbsee> btw, has anyone got the new polyester yet, and has it broken the entire world?
[02:51] <jcole> sparr: if wine is your only reason not to run a stable ubuntu, then you can use that repo
[02:51] <Hobbsee> i uploaded it this morning
[02:51] <sparr> it isnt
[02:51] <sparr> hundreds of programs are
[02:51] <sparr> 99s of which dont have repos of their own
[02:51] <catid> cypherdelic: you should play to that.  come in with a headband on, on your motorcycle, wearing chains and put your feet up on desk smoking a cigarette, then spend the whole day trying to get gutsy booting on your laptop, while making dirty gestures at the receptionist
[02:51] <cypherdelic> the little microsoft, cisco, skulls&bones was a too small ocean for my interests
[02:51] <sparr> Hobbsee: i never said i was (dist-)upgrading to gutsy, im not crazy
[02:52] <Hobbsee> sparr: ahh, right.
[02:52] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i havent seen it. is it stuck in NEW like everything else?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> sparr: one of the archive guys had to chroot into his system 6 times in the first couple of months of feisty development
[02:52] <gnomefreak> once iceape gets the push out of NEW i can start on dapper backports
[02:52] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: dont think so...no new binary....there was nothing in there yesterday
[02:52] <sparr> im just installing a few gutsy packages on top of a mostly-feisty system
[02:52] <sparr> the packages i need, and their dependencies
[02:53] <cypherdelic> catid: i dont get your point, you think its waste of time?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: for gutsy, that is
[02:53] <catid> cypherdelic: =P
[02:53] <sparr> hell, probably a mostly-edgy system
[02:53] <sparr> i dont think i did a dist-upgrade to feisty
[02:54] <gnomefreak> i heard iceape was in binary NEW and i know its stuck in source NEW. alot of the guys had holiday today i heard so i didnt ping anyone today
[02:54] <catid> feisty dist-upgrade was slick..  just a few broken things on boot
[02:54] <gnomefreak> germany/NL/dutch holiday
[02:54] <sparr> with debian i did dist-upgrade on a regular basis, but with ubuntu it doesnt seem worth it
[02:54] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i'm of the opinion that the link is broken, or something - it does look suspiciously empty
[02:55] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: there must be a way on LP to find source new, too...
[02:55] <gnomefreak> very possible that could be why everything is stuck
[02:55] <cypherdelic> The normal gutsy packages are already installed, no problems, now the dist-uprade and reboot with kernel 2.6.22
[02:55] <gnomefreak> there was i had it. i looked at it the other day
[02:55] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: before running dist-upgrade run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:55] <cypherdelic> i did
[02:55] <cypherdelic> :)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: the output link being broken wouldnt mean the queue is lost - just unaccessible.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> !grub
[02:56] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:56] <gnomefreak> yes but that means they cant push anything right?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> to us, not to them
[02:56] <Hobbsee> they have ssh
[02:57] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:57] <gnomefreak> well that was the only thing i could think of for having such a slow day with upgrades
[02:58] <Hobbsee> er, while one is actually running the system
[02:58] <cypherdelic> my german school's teaching ciscos ACL instead of open standards ip firewalls, just because they get the extreme expensive routers, that are so famous for corporates, a little cheaper.
[03:00] <cypherdelic> i knew firewall principles from iptables, ACL, was no prob, but in the other way, no one of my classmates does know how to set up a priceless firewall that is more secure than cisco proprietary
[03:01] <cypherdelic> muha
[03:11] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: polester was updated
[03:12] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes.  :)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: does it cause ZOMG BREAKAGE?
[03:12] <gnomefreak> i havent booted to kde yet
[03:12] <Hobbsee> right
[03:12] <gnomefreak> will check in morning
[03:12] <Hobbsee> guess i'll find out soon enough
[03:12] <Hobbsee> seeing as it got uploaded to both debian and ubuntu this morning.