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[12:34] <Hobbsee> anyone good with sparc's?
[12:35] <Hobbsee> dh_testdir
[12:35] <Hobbsee> rm -f client/buttons.h
[12:35] <Hobbsee> cd client && sh -e create-buttons.sh
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Bus error
[12:35] <Hobbsee> make: *** [config.status]  Error 138
[12:35] <Hobbsee> from http://librarian.launchpad.net/7689549/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-sparc.kde-style-polyester_1.0.1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:38] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: You have access to sparky do you not?
[12:38] <TheMuso> On ubuntuwire?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i probably do, yes
[12:39] <TheMuso> Test build it on that, and see what happens, and if things break, you can have a play.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hadnt thought of that.  was hoping someone might know offhand.
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[06:59] <freezone> is the current 2.6.20 kernel in Feisty bult with gcc 3.4 or 4.1?
[07:00] <crimsun> Linux version 2.6.20-15-generic (root@palmer) (gcc version 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4)) #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 07:36:31 UTC 2007
[07:01] <freezone> oh, me silly 
[07:05] <freezone> hm. i am still not able to build the vmware kernel module
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[07:51] <dholbach> good morning
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy open, go ape!
=== Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by pitti at Mon May 14 08:08:07 2007
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[06:29] <tepsipakki> bryce: I can do the xutils commits on git.d.o
[06:32] <tepsipakki> xutils-dev, that is
[06:32] <truz_`24> Is there a guide to compile kernel modules?
[06:33] <truz_`24> All kernel module guides i read fail in ubuntu.
[06:34] <mjg59> truz_`24: This isn't a support channel - #ubuntu is a better place to ask this
[06:34] <truz_`24> k, thx mjg59
[06:35] <bryce> tepsipakki: that'd be great
[06:37] <Treenaks> seb128: what's the best way to get that nautilus trace/dump for you?
[06:37] <seb128> Treenaks: Backtrace
[06:37] <cjwatson> bryce: ok, neat
[06:38] <seb128> ups
[06:38] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[06:38] <Treenaks> seb128: I've found the bug
[06:38] <Treenaks> seb128: it's font related...
[06:38] <seb128> ah
[06:38] <Treenaks> (I have "size 7" fonts, because of my incredibly high DPI and wish to have small fonts)
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[06:42] <seb128> Treenaks: you mean it doesn't happen with size 10?
[06:42] <Treenaks> seb128: exactly (size 8 even)
[06:42] <seb128> looks like a pango bug
[06:43] <Treenaks> 0x8185888 2007/05/18 07:20:41.2815 (GLog): eel_pango_font_description_get_largest_fitting_font_size: assertion `maximum_acceptable_font_size > minimum_acceptable_font_size' failed
[06:43] <Treenaks> 0x8185888 2007/05/18 07:20:41.2968 (GLog): shape engine failure, expect ugly output. the offending font is 'DejaVu Sans Bold 0'
[06:43] <Treenaks> that's what I get in my nautilus-debug-log.txt
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[07:12] <ogra> hmm, is there any way to delay the root mounting of the initramfs without rebuilding it (a kernel option or something) ?
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[07:13] <ogra> seems i have a race condition in mounting /root from a usb device
[07:13] <ogra> does casper not wait for udevsettle ? 
[07:13] <alex-weej> seb128: ping
[07:14] <cjwatson> casper (1.88) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[07:14] <cjwatson>   * Add default values for root_persistence, home_persistence,
[07:14] <cjwatson>     root_snapshot_label, and home_snapshot_label, and parse the persistent
[07:14] <cjwatson>     command-line option, which went missing in the last merge from Debian.
[07:14] <cjwatson>     This goes some way towards LP #84591 but doesn't quite fix it for me
[07:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84591 in casper "feisty 20070210/herd5 persistent mode doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84591
[07:14] <cjwatson>     since the USB stick inexplicably doesn't appear until a little too late.
[07:14] <seb128> alex-weej: content-less ping = no pong
[07:14] <cjwatson>  -- Colin Watson <cjwatson@ubuntu.com>  Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:35:57 +0100
[07:14] <cjwatson> ogra: ^-- I couldn't figure out how to fix that
[07:14] <cjwatson> it does call udevsettle
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[07:14] <ogra> does it wait for it to return as well ?
[07:14] <cjwatson> yes
[07:14] <ogra> hmm, very starnge
[07:14] <cjwatson> indeed
[07:14] <ogra> *strange
[07:14] <cjwatson> I beat my head against it for a while but gave up
[07:15] <cjwatson> ogra: BTW, I forgot to give your PCMCIA card back - is your address in Offices the right one to post it to?
[07:15] <ogra> it would be great to have that optional ... in ltsp having udevsettle return immediately would be helpful 
[07:16] <ogra> cjwatson, just bring it to the next meeting :) no need to bother about sending it around
[07:17] <cjwatson> I like to keep accounts current where I can
[07:17] <cjwatson> ogra: why call udevsettle at all if you don't want to wait for it?
[07:17] <ogra> really its not worth the effort, i dont need it
[07:17] <cjwatson> the point of udevsettle is to wait for it to complete ...
[07:17] <ogra> well, its called in the udev initscript
[07:18] <ogra> i'm still considering how evil it is to add an option to skip the wait
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[07:19] <ogra> on thin cliaents i have all modules loaded from initramfs and all devices i need to bring up X and sound are there the rest of udev is only helpful for local devices etc ...
[07:19] <ogra> so not having the boot wait on it would speed up a lot ...
[07:19] <cjwatson> you could divert udevsettle temporarily if you really don't need it ...
[07:20] <ogra> during boot you mean ... hmm, that sounds intresting
[07:20] <ogra> i'll see if i can find some testers for that
[07:21] <ogra> on the e2300 (200Mhz) client i have here, the udev step eats about 40sec boottime
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[07:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48212 in ltsp "ltsp's dhcpd fails after server is hibernated" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48212
[07:26] <ogra> i wonder if thats really a common case
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[07:46] <floam> where is the most conclusive documentation on generating installable feisty LiveCDs? I'm doing a project for NASA and we are removing all of the branding, as well as some other custom things.
[07:46] <floam> I am assuming you guys have scripts that do the bulk of the work
[07:48] <cjwatson> at the moment, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6%2e06 is about the best we have
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[07:49] <cjwatson> but we do have scripts that do it from scratch - for one reason and another they haven't been released up to now, but we should be making them publicly available RSN (I just need to sync up with infinity to get hold of the most recent production changes)
[07:50] <cjwatson> that's the live filesystem builder portion; the bit that actually builds the ISO is http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/mainline/ and the extra bits in configs/devel after checking that out
[07:51] <cjwatson> anyway, for just removing the branding a customisation job might actually be easiest, per the wiki documentation above
[07:51] <cjwatson> unless you already have a full package archive with the branding removed
[07:52] <floam> well, I'm hacking up various artwork packages and packages with string changes and just giving them bumped version numbers, which probably isn't the best way to do it
[07:52] <floam> I should probably make separate packages and make new metapackages
[07:52] <floam> or something
[07:53] <floam> not many changes, besides the rebranding and adding some stuff that's going to be used on the flight systems
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[08:09] <floam> cjwatson: so LiveCDCustomization/6.06 is indeed applicable to 7.04?
[08:10] <floam> I saw that earlier today, but decided not to bother because of the version
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