[12:28] <welshbyte> persia: congratulations :)
[12:29] <persia> Just to verify, would `debuild -S -sa -k<mykey>` be a reasonable command to apply someone else's changes?
[12:29] <persia> welshbyte: Thanks.
[12:36] <TheMuso> persia: Would work. Don' tforget you don't need -sa if its not a new .orig tarball.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> persia: yes
[12:37] <TheMuso> chroot updating time.
[12:37] <persia> TheMuso: Thanks.  I'll go with debuild -S -k then.
[12:38] <ubuntu_> How come there is no seamonkey ?
[12:41] <TheMuso> c
[12:41] <TheMuso> gah
[12:41] <joejaxx> TheMuso: :P
[12:42] <joejaxx> ubuntu_: there should be for gutsy gibbon
[12:42] <ubuntu_> joejaxx: Whoot! What was the hold up?
[12:42] <ubuntu_> no Guts?
[12:45] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: there should?
[12:46] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: yeap
[12:47] <Hobbsee> cool
[12:48] <joejaxx> :)
[12:48] <joejaxx> ubuntu_: i was wondering that too
[12:49] <joejaxx> ubuntu_: i actually packaged iceape because i might use it in fluxbuntu
[12:49] <ubuntu_> Whoot fluxbuntu :-)
[12:50] <joejaxx> ebuntu? which one is that?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> ubuntu with enlightenment, i'd guess
[12:50] <joejaxx> oh that is elbuntu
[12:50] <ubuntu_> Heehee
[12:51] <ubuntu_> there is a #ebuntu but it's been empty for like 6 months now
[12:51] <joejaxx> ubuntu_: #elbuntu
[12:52] <ubuntu_> Seriously? :-\ ?
[12:54] <ubuntu_> Gotta go
[12:55] <joejaxx> ubuntu_: bye :)
[12:58] <joejaxx> this is great
[12:58] <joejaxx> :)
[01:49] <flithm> Hobbsee: hey you seen pricey in a while?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> flithm: yeah, he was around earlier.  ahd to go to lecture
[01:49] <Hobbsee> flithm: use pricechild@ubuntu.com
[01:49] <flithm> cool thanks
[01:50] <Hobbsee> flithm: or any other contact info
[02:28] <TheMuso> 0/c
[02:29] <TheMuso> gah
[04:25] <ranf> hi
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hiya
[04:32] <ranf> hi Hobbsee 
[04:33] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:37] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:52] <Hobbsee> hi spam!
[04:54] <Hobbsee> dear $mailing list user.  The mailing list is not the bugtracker.  Please file all bugs on the bugtracker.  Kthxbye.
[05:00] <wolfeon> heh
[05:05] <RAOF> :)  Hey Hobbsee 
[05:06] <Hobbsee> hi RAOF :)
[05:09] <Simon80> Hobbsee: so true
[05:11] <TheMuso> Well, probably the bugs tag should be set to something else.
[05:11] <TheMuso> Because that will keep happening if the bugs tag is set to the ML address.
[05:11] <Simon80> heh, ...sort of like every mesa bug
[05:12] <Simon80> I guess it's a way of making sure bugs get dealt with, spam everyone on the ML
[05:12] <RAOF> So, is anyone actually replying to that guy, or shall I hit "send" :)
[05:12] <TheMuso> No.
[05:13] <RAOF> Yay for coding, and extremely ambiguous responses :P
[05:14] <TheMuso> heh
[05:14] <ScottK> RAOF: FWIW, I say hit send.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> go send.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> 88% [11 Sources 378859/1175kB 32%]                                  19.3kB/s 41s
[05:15] <Hobbsee> grumble.
[05:18] <TheMuso> heh
[05:32] <minghua> I need a translation for bug 115180
[05:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115180 in texlive-base "no se ha podido instalar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115180
[05:34] <crimsun> hmm, roughly "haven't been able to install"?
[05:34] <crimsun> my romance languages are fairly poor, however
[05:34] <persia> minghua: It is not possible to install.  This output was produced when upgrading to 7.04 from 6.10.  (I think).
[05:35] <persia> minghua: Oh, and "The post-installation script produced an error code of 1"
[05:35] <minghua> persia: can you change the bug description directly?
[05:35] <crimsun> persia: enjoying your newfound privileges yet?  :-)
[05:35] <minghua> what is that language by the way?
[05:35] <nixternal> heh
[05:35] <minghua> oh congratulations persia
[05:35] <nixternal> something along the lines of it being impossible to install
[05:35] <persia> minghua: Thanks.
[05:36] <crimsun> persia: good.  Here's ALSA.  Catch.
[05:36] <crimsun> officially I am no longer an MOTU.  Hooray!
[05:37] <persia> crimsun: Congratulations !
[05:38] <mischko> Wondering if there's a Motu here who would package the new pgadminIII?  The one in feisty is very old. 
[05:39] <mischko> #bug 90120
[05:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90120 in pgadmin3 "New version of pgadmin3 available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90120
[05:39] <persia> Grumble.  Spanish looks like portuguese until you look at the words carefully.
[05:39] <crimsun> mischko: feel free to work on the source package yourself.
[05:40] <crimsun> there are several MOTU here who are knowledgeable and can guide you.
[05:40] <mischko> crimsun, I'd be happy to give it a try.  I suppose I need to download the source from pgadmin.org and get it to compile?
[05:40] <ajmitch> crimsun: officially you're still a core dev for many more months
[05:41] <crimsun> ajmitch: shhh.
[05:41] <crimsun> mischko: it would be wise to first check the Debian BTS entries for said source package.  Then I recommend investigating uscan/uupdate.
[05:42] <mischko> crimsun, What's the BTS?
[05:42] <crimsun> http://bugs.debian.org/pgadmin3
[05:42] <mischko> There are debian packages for Sarge, Etch, Sid.
[05:44] <crimsun> mischko: right.  It would be wise to merge 1.4.3-2.1's changes into whichever newer upstream.
[05:44] <mischko> crimsun, can you outline this process? I've never made a package before.
[05:45] <mischko> I don't see anything much in BTS.
[05:45] <crimsun> mischko: you won't be making one from scratch; you'll be updating the existing Ubuntu one and merging in Sid's latest changes.
[05:46] <crimsun> mischko: the purpose of reading the BTS entries first is to gain familiarity for which bugs might be closed in the newer upstream version.
[05:54] <mischko> Where's a good writeup on the packaging scene? Something that explains terms like "upstream", etc.
[05:55] <crimsun> there's a packaging guide on help.ubuntu.com
[05:55] <crimsun> also in System> Help and Support  if you're using Ubuntu
[05:58] <mischko> I've looked through both those sources and don't see anything besides how to install existing packages.
[05:59] <RAOF> !packagingguide | mischko 
[05:59] <ubotu> mischko: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[05:59] <mischko> Cool. I'm off for some "light reading".  Thanks!
[05:59] <Simon80> hrm, anyone know about the status of gparted?
[06:00] <ajmitch> someone please suggest a time for the next MOTU meeting on the list
[06:00] <Simon80> I want the newer version to get into gutsy, and then feisty, it's in unstable... but being in ubuntu's main, I can't bug MOTU about it :)
[06:00] <ajmitch> (any time I suggest won't suit most people)
[06:01] <crimsun> mischko: the packaging guide is under the 6.10 tab.
[06:01] <crimsun> (it's not present under 7.04)
[06:01] <mischko> crimsun, thanks for the clarification. 
[06:01] <Simon80> that sucks, I couldn't find it that way either..
[06:03] <minghua> packaging guide need more love, if I remember Laserjock correctly
[06:03] <Simon80> heh, yeah
[06:03] <Simon80> thing is, the Debian New Maintainer's guide isn't bad
[06:03] <Simon80> and it wouldn't be a bad idea to require that anyway, so that people will choose to contribute to upstream instead of just Ubuntu
[06:04] <RAOF> Simon80: Since it's in unstable, it should be getting sync/merged for gutsy.  I don't know whether backports cover main packages though.
[06:04] <Simon80> ah
[06:04] <Simon80> or, right, they probably don't, bah
[06:04] <Simon80> whatever, I can backport it myself
[06:05] <Simon80> I guess that means I don't care either way, I'll just backport it from debian unstable
[06:05] <Simon80> they finally implemented powerful moving capabilities
[06:06] <Simon80> which I always missed back in the day when I was still repartitioning my drive often.. I've never used LVM, lol
[06:06] <RAOF> Actually, looks like you backports *will* do main packages.
[06:06] <Simon80> you wha?
[06:06] <RAOF> Once it's hit gutsy, try !backports
[06:06] <Simon80> !backports :)
[06:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about backports :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:06] <Simon80> !backports
[06:06] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[06:07] <Simon80> nice
[06:07] <Simon80> no wonder there has been so much more backport traffic
[06:07] <RAOF> Why isn't irssi emacs?
[06:08] <Simon80> I mean, I've seen those automated backport upload changelog entries... I just don't know how automated they are
[06:08] <Simon80> anyway, I needed a /boot partition before my root one, and the new gparted can do that, the old one can't
[06:08] <ajmitch> RAOF: why would it be?
[06:08] <Simon80> I discovered it by chance, since I still have gentoo on my box
[06:09] <RAOF> ajmitch: Because everything should be emacs :P
[06:09] <RAOF> Or rather, ctrl-a ctrl-k should kill the line.
[06:09] <Simon80> lol
[06:10] <ajmitch> RAOF: it does
[06:10] <Simon80> I like it that readline has slowly introduced me to emacs keybindings for the past year and a half without my knowledge
[06:10] <Simon80> lp;
[06:10] <Simon80> lol*
[06:10] <ajmitch> RAOF: ctrl-a a ctrl-k
[06:10] <Simon80> that's what bugs me about screen
[06:11] <RAOF> Yeah, I know.  Now that I've actually remembered the screen bit :)
[06:11] <Simon80> mouse wheel support, actually, bugs me in screen
[06:11] <RAOF> That'd be a bit cool.  Surely it's technically possible
[06:11] <Simon80> yes
[06:11] <Simon80> but the fact that it isn't there now is a dealbreaker for me, with vim and such
[06:11] <Simon80> I could live without it, but it's annoying
[06:12] <Simon80> like I'm using windows again
[06:12] <Simon80> in windows, wheel scrolling is so horrendously busted
[06:12] <Simon80> and touchpad drivers do all sorts of disgusting hacks with the cursor to implement fake scrolling
[06:13] <Simon80> which don't work on some windows
[06:13] <Simon80> ironic that there would be better touchpad support on the free OS
[06:13] <Simon80> horizontal scrolling and such
[06:14] <Simon80> speaking of which, I don't think that works by default yet, that's a problem sort of
[06:14] <Simon80> vertical and horizontal touchpad soft scrolling
[06:51] <TheMuso_> Gotta love people turning off the power before you can shut down.
[06:56] <ajmitch> hello white 
[06:56] <white> hi :)
[06:57] <white> ajmitch: i saw the mail send to you, sorry didn't know that you were a target :(
[06:57] <jmg> target?
[07:02] <ajmitch> hm?
[07:03] <white> ajmitch: about your pacakges
[07:03] <white> anyway how is it going here?
[07:03] <white> did i miss anything? :)
[07:03] <ajmitch> ok
[07:03] <ajmitch> nope
[07:03] <white> i am playing UTOM now :)
[07:03] <ajmitch> nothing happens here
[07:05] <jussi01> good morning peoples!!
[07:06] <RAOF> Afternoon jussi01 
[07:06] <jussi01> my package builds perfectly, however upon installing i get nasty things like: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21389/
[07:06] <jussi01> can someone help?
[07:06] <jussi01> hello RAOF
[07:07] <RAOF> jussi01: Linky to your revu page?  Last I looked you didn't have all the requisite python-foo in there :)
[07:07] <ajmitch> missing stuff in debian/control
[07:07] <jussi01> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5177
[07:07] <jussi01> ajmitch: wich stuff??
[07:08] <RAOF> jussi01: You might want to look at (my) specto package
[07:09] <RAOF> That's got all the python-foo in debain/control - pycentral wants some fields.  Oh, and you *still* don't need both python2.5-dev & python-all-dev :)
[07:10] <jussi01> ok, so what exactly does pycentral want??
[07:12] <RAOF> XS-Python-Version, under your source package in control, and XB-Python-Version: ${python:Versions} under each binary package, I think.
[07:12] <RAOF> At least, that's what I've got in specto. and I read the debian-python-policy while doing that package: )
[07:12] <jussi01> ahhh, I see them in specto, ok then...:D
[07:31] <highvoltage> 0/win 11
[07:34] <ajmitch> you lose
[07:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <TheMuso> Morning dholbach.
[07:54] <dholbach> hey TheMuso