[12:26] <Grey_Loki> q-t, it'll be written either on the back of your monitor, or in your monitor's manual
[12:26] <q-t> Ok:)
[12:27] <Grey_Loki> But, IIRC, most/all modern monitors support a minimum of 60Hz - i'd check, just to be sure.
[12:27] <vape> hello
[12:27] <vape> I booted up and my background isnt loading and my menu is gone from menu bar in XFCE, anybody know why that would be
[12:27] <q-t> I dont have the manual here right now, my dad has it. I got his old laptop when he got a new one:P
[12:28] <q-t> but ill see what i can do
[12:28] <zials> its better to only change the refresh rate if your screen flickers
[12:28] <IndyGunFreak> vape: can you right click the desktop and choose "Desktop settings"
[12:29] <q-t> the thing is, xubuntu works great on it, the only thing is openoffice. The graphics are all screwy in that application ONLY....hehe
[12:29] <vape> nope i cant even right click
[12:29] <IndyGunFreak> hmm.
[12:29] <IndyGunFreak> vape: are you using xubuntu
[12:29] <vape> yes
[12:30] <vape> feisty fawn
[12:30] <Pumpernickel> vape: alt+F2 brings up a run dialog.  From there you can launch xfdesktop.
[12:30] <vape> no such file or directory
[12:31] <Pumpernickel> xfdesktop4, possibly
[12:31] <Pumpernickel> It's been awhile since I've been on Xubuntu.
[12:31] <vape> nope :\
[12:32] <IndyGunFreak> vape: do you get a log in screen?
[12:32] <vape> yeah
[12:32] <vape> im on xfce right now
[12:32] <vape> but the menu button is gone from my menu bar and my desktop isnt loading
[12:33] <IndyGunFreak> ok, how di dyou start xchat?
[12:33] <vape> i have a terminal button on my menu bar
[12:33] <IndyGunFreak> ok...
[12:33] <IndyGunFreak> so you do have a panel at the bottom?
[12:33] <vape> yeah
[12:34] <IndyGunFreak> right click the panel, add to panel, then go down and find "xfce menu", and try to drag it to the panel
[12:35] <vape> well thats the first thing i tried to do
[12:35] <godless> how do I turn off the tooltips in the task list?
[12:35] <vape> the menu isnt even in list
[12:35] <IndyGunFreak> oh ok.
[12:35] <IndyGunFreak> wow.
[12:36] <vape> yeah hella strange x;
[12:36] <vape> im thinking about sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:36] <IndyGunFreak> thats what i was thinking actually
[12:36] <IndyGunFreak> but didnt you say this was an old PC?
[12:37] <vape> no its a decent pc
[12:37] <IndyGunFreak> oh ok.
[12:37] <vape> i just like xfce over kde and gnome
[12:37] <vape> havent had any problems with it up untill now
[12:38] <IndyGunFreak> yeah, -i'd rather my face be stomped by golf cleates than use kde.
[12:38] <vape> hah
[12:38] <vape> what are you using
[12:38] <IndyGunFreak> xfce
[12:40] <IndyGunFreak> vape: thats the only thing i can think of to try
[12:40] <IndyGunFreak> then once you have KDE running, reinstall Xfce, then you can remove KDE
[12:40] <IndyGunFreak> unless you want to clean install.
[12:40] <IndyGunFreak> oh wait..
[12:40] <IndyGunFreak> i know.
[12:40] <vape> cant i do that from command line
[12:41] <IndyGunFreak> right click your Panel
[12:41] <IndyGunFreak> choose customize panel
[12:41] <vape> pl
[12:41] <vape> ok
[12:41] <IndyGunFreak> then click the + sign, which should mean there willbe a panel 1 and panel two int he pull down bar
[12:42] <IndyGunFreak> choose fixed position, and put it somewhere, top, side, somewhere where the other panel isnt
[12:42] <IndyGunFreak> make it full width for now....
[12:42] <IndyGunFreak> then right lcick, add to panel, and add the menu
[12:42] <vape> no menu in add list
[12:43] <IndyGunFreak> you don't have an xfce menu in the add list?
[12:43] <vape> nope
[12:43] <vape> my shits broken
[12:43] <vape> x;
[12:44] <IndyGunFreak> looks that way
[12:44] <vape> ima jus fresh install
[12:44] <vape> thanks for tryin
[12:44] <IndyGunFreak> wil probably be easiest.
[12:44] <IndyGunFreak> no prob.
[12:44] <IndyGunFreak> good luck with it.
[12:44] <vape> thanks
[12:44] <vape> im out, peace
[12:52] <abd> hello which program can extract .rar files ???
[12:52] <Grey_Loki> abd, unrar
[12:52] <peepsalot> this is strange, i installed and ran democracyplayer, and now my XFCE desktop looks like a gnome desktop
[12:53] <abd> is it in system or download it ??
[12:53] <Grey_Loki> You need to download it
[12:53] <q-t> when i was installing xubuntu, it stalled on language packs...i had to skip it.
[12:53] <peepsalot> all file(documents, images, movies) icons have previews, and my wallpaper reverted to default gnome brown wallpaper
[12:53] <Grey_Loki> abd, if you want a GUI, I believe that WinRAR has a linux version, too.
[12:53] <Grey_Loki> Which you would have to download and install yourself.
[12:54] <abd> nop with CLI , I'm installing unrar :D
[12:57] <IndyGunFreak> Grey_Loki: do you know how to change the default device icons for Xfce?  I have a USB camera, the desktop icon looks like a hard drive, i'd like to change that
[12:58] <Grey_Loki> Right click it
[12:58] <IndyGunFreak> ok
[12:58] <Grey_Loki> I'm not on Xubuntu right now, so I can't say for sure, but I remember that there's a menu there that allows you to change it
[12:58] <Grey_Loki> ...I think
[12:59] <IndyGunFreak> no.. not for devices
[12:59] <IndyGunFreak> for regular programs, yes.
[12:59] <IndyGunFreak> you can edit launcher.
[12:59] <IndyGunFreak> but when you right cick a device, it just says open/mount/unmount/properties/desktop.. then it shows the desktop menu
[12:59] <IndyGunFreak> desktop prefs, i mean, not menu
[01:04] <peepsalot> what application controls the xfce desktop?
[01:05] <Jester45> xfce4-desktop i think
[01:05] <Jester45> no its
[01:05] <Cubey> hello
[01:05] <Jester45> xfdesktoip
[01:05] <Jester45> xfdestop
[01:05] <Jester45> aaarrrg xfdesktop
[01:06] <peepsalot> yay, it's back!
[01:06] <peepsalot> thanks
[01:06] <peepsalot> gnome tried to take over my xfce desktop, very sneaky
[01:07] <peepsalot> interesting though, to mix parts of gnome with xfce, never considered it before
[01:07] <peepsalot> what is the xfce window manager called?
[01:07] <Cubey> What's the lowest CPU someone has in here with Xubuntu installed to?
[01:07] <Jester45> xfwm4
[01:07] <Jester45> 133mhz
[01:07] <peepsalot> ok
[01:07] <Jester45> that i know of
[01:08] <peepsalot> Jester45, you did personally, or you heard of someone doing it>
[01:08] <Jester45> heard
[01:08] <Cubey> Well, okay, let me ask in a better way ;) Who has a roughly 1GHz system (with 512-640MB RAM) with xubuntu?
[01:08] <Jester45> i have a 400mhz 256mb ram
[01:09] <Cubey> I current have Ubuntu installed to such a system and it's pretty speedy but I'm having problems with youtube's video lagging :(
[01:09] <peepsalot> what video chipset?
[01:09] <Cubey> AVIs are fine and I do have the accelerated driver
[01:09] <Jester45> youtube videos are low framerate
[01:09] <peepsalot> Cubey, is your CPU maxed when you view them?
[01:09] <Cubey> nvidia Geforce2mx 200
[01:09] <Cubey> peepsalot: let me double check
[01:09] <Jester45> peepsalot: flash doesnt have the much need for vidoe because most of the processing is from the CPU
[01:10] <CoRnJuLiOx> hey, i was able to download thunar 0.8.0 from the 'net and using the installer i installed it to /opt because /usr/local was giving me problems. i then went to /opt to try and start Thunar, but when i started it, it said version 0.3.1 in the about menu. any ideas?
[01:10] <Jester45> Cubey: try adding a panel applet to moniter CPU and see if it tops out when playing the video, or use a taskmanager
[01:11] <Cubey> peepsalot: around 80-90%, no more than 90%
[01:11] <Cubey> 87% is the max i've seen it so far
[01:11] <Jester45> Cubey: have you tried with everything off other than the flash, what flash program
[01:11] <Cubey> on fullscreen, it runs abuot 92% max
[01:12] <Jester45> thats becuase it has to draw more
[01:12] <Cubey> Jester45: everything off such as?
[01:12] <Cubey> and it's flash 9
[01:13] <Jester45> cubey like firefox open but nothing else and if you really wanted to test you could use a failsafe terminal session from the GDM
[01:13] <Jester45> humm
[01:13] <Cubey> Jester45: righto, tried that
[01:13] <Cubey> only things open are firefox and the system monitor (task manager)
[01:14] <peepsalot> Cubey, you can try viewing the videos at a lower quality
[01:14] <Jester45> Cubey: could you try it on a faster machine? youtube videos are going to look chopy
[01:14] <peepsalot> frees up CPU on my comp
[01:14] <peepsalot> and doesn't look too bad
[01:14] <peepsalot> just a little aliasing
[01:14] <Cubey> Jester45: well, what gets me is it's fine on XP pro on the same machine
[01:14] <Jester45> what cpu
[01:14] <Cubey> P3 1GHz
[01:15] <Jester45> so is it a lot more coppy or a little i noticed flash is slower on linux than windows
[01:15] <Cubey> a lot more, unbearable
[01:16] <Cubey> even set to lowest quality
[01:16] <peepsalot> I've noticed my desktop ni gerneral is not nearly as snappy under linux compared to windows :(  i think it my crappy video drivers though
[01:16] <peepsalot> Cubey, what browser?
[01:16] <Cubey> firefox
[01:16] <peepsalot> 2.0?
[01:17] <Cubey> it's less unbearable normal screen set to lowest but heck that stinks..
[01:17] <Cubey> firefix 1.5.0.5
[01:17] <peepsalot> you don't have any strange extensions running?  lots of tabs?  does it help to restart ff?
[01:17] <peepsalot> you could try upgrading to 2.0, dunno if that would really help though
[01:17] <Cubey> no extensions, only one (or two when full screen) windows open, restarting obviosuly doesn't help
[01:18] <Cubey> i open FF fresh and new and it acts this way going directly to youtube
[01:18] <Cubey> just wonder if it MIGHT work better with xubuntu
[01:18] <peepsalot> you in gnome currently?
[01:18] <Jester45> try running this in a terminal glxinfo |grep direct
[01:19] <Cubey> this is why i've stuck with windows for so long, it takes days to get a few things working
[01:19] <Cubey> peepsalot: yes / Jester45: i did, it's accelerated video. avis play perfectly fine
[01:20] <Jester45> Cubey: not once you know what you doing, i use fresh install and get things set up in a hour or 2 in windows it takes days
[01:20] <Jester45> Cubey: so it said yes
[01:20] <Cubey> yep
[01:20] <Jester45> idk what to say
[01:20] <Cubey> nor I..
[01:20] <Cubey> again, this is why i prefer Windows. linux seems to half not work for stuff :\
[01:21] <peepsalot> well, xubuntu is worth a shot, you nkow you can install xubuntu-desktop and try it, don't need a full fresh install
[01:21] <Cubey> i've tried to love linux, god knows i have
[01:21] <Cubey> oh?
[01:21] <peepsalot> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[01:21] <peepsalot> then ctrl-alt-backspace and choose xfce in GDM
[01:22] <peepsalot> creful you will lose any open apps, so save whatever you need to save
[01:22] <Cubey> peepsalot: righto, already doing it ;)
[01:22] <Cubey> nothing is open besides FF. this is just a test installation mostly
[01:22] <Cubey> nothing at all important in the installation at all
[01:23] <Cubey> ahem, repeating myse;f
[01:23] <Cubey> myself
[01:25] <Cubey> i'm semi-experienced with linux in general, and i can never learn to like it enough to keep using it long term however
[01:25] <Jester45> you know... i watch to many movies
[01:25] <Cubey> AVIs play fine
[01:25] <Cubey> but youtube doesn't :/
[01:25] <Cubey> there's always something unacceptable about linux that turns me off :\
[01:25] <Jester45> Cubey: you might, have you tried diffrent distros? i started with xubuntu and i cant really find a good alternative
[01:26] <Cubey> yeah
[01:26] <Cubey> mandrake was the very first years ago (2001'ish). it was okay but i had sound issues
[01:27] <Cubey> then i tried debian on some old 133 p1's with small HDs and hated the debian package manager at the time. ended up getting slackware to work well
[01:27] <Jester45> i tried ubuntu and kubuntu i like kde's qt look for apps but not the taskbar and gome is ok but i dont like the lack of options
[01:27] <Cubey> so i ended up using slack more than anything else
[01:27] <Jester45> my most hated package magner is yum
[01:28] <Jester45> rpm is nice in the way that lots and lots of things have rpms for them
[01:28] <CoRnJuLiOx> i just installed thunar 0.8.0 and uninstalled the thunar 0.3.1 that i had on my system; how do i make the new 8.0 the default? double clicking on a folder now doesn't open it in the new thunar.
[01:30] <Cubey> seems a BIT less laddy in xfce...
[01:30] <Cubey> but still unacceptible (full screen)
[01:30] <q-t> I did the configuration for the graphics card that is shown on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI and restarted. When i got to the login screen there is an error message continously poping up on the screen, and it wont stop...even after i logged in...what is this?
[01:31] <q-t> the error message was about the cdrom btw
[01:39] <Cubey> seems like a crappy exchange IMO, decent web multimedia support for more security. i rarely ever even HAVE virus problems.. maybe once every 4 years
[01:39] <Cubey> took me 8 hours but i finally got nsv streams working in mplayer
[01:39] <Cubey> and they play fine
[01:40] <Cubey> except an annoying error that happens when it loads
[01:40] <peepsalot> Cubey, there is an open source alternative to flash, called gnash, which might be more efficient.
[01:40] <Cubey> peepsalot: thanks, i'll look into that
[01:40] <peepsalot> unfortunately, it is not 100% compatible with all video sites yet
[01:40] <peepsalot> i think in the near future it will be though
[01:40] <peepsalot> i personally have not tried it
[01:41] <peepsalot> i think the dev version can play youtube, but not the stable release
[01:44] <Cubey> meh, need to add a new repos
[01:51] <Cubey> gnash won't install due to a dependency issue :\
[01:52] <q-t> how would i make a xorg.conf.original-0 overwrite the xorg.conf in terminal? I think i broke the xorg.conf file, but i have a backup
[01:53] <q-t> scratch that
[01:54] <Cubey> grrrrrrrr
[01:54] <Cubey> it's fussing about a kdelib, so i try to get the newer lib and it says it has the newest, though gnash wants a newer one. >:(
[01:56] <Jester45> Cubey: have you apt-get update apt-get upgrade ed?
[01:56] <Cubey> twice?
[01:56] <Jester45> Cubey: look on the kde site and see if they have a newer lib
[01:57] <Cubey> is this worth it? honestly? :S
[01:57] <Jester45> Cubey: update gets a list of new packages upgrade installes them
[01:57] <Cubey> Jester45: already did it, yes
[01:57] <Cubey> ohhh
[01:57] <Cubey> UPGRADE
[01:57] <Jester45> ok then did you look on their site? KDE's if they have new ones
[01:59] <Cubey> how do i install a newer one if i find it? :S
[01:59] <Jester45> that i do not know
[01:59] <Jester45> did you install gnash from the repos
[02:00] <q-t> is there another word program for linux other than openoffice??
[02:00] <Jester45> many
[02:00] <Jester45> !!editors
[02:00] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[02:00] <Cubey> Jester45: it won't, that's how i'm getting the complaint (sudo apt-get install gnash)
[02:01] <Cubey> it won't even try due to kdelibs4c2a
[02:01] <Jester45> you can force it
[02:01] <q-t> Im thinking of programs to write school work on and such
[02:01] <Jester45> just a guess but with the -f trigger
[02:01] <Cubey> hm
[02:01] <Cubey> ok..
[02:01] <Jester45> staroffice if its still there but its like openoffice
[02:02] <Cubey> nope
[02:02] <Jester45> i dont know any other than openoffice for what you seem to want
[02:03] <Cubey> found the kdelib on debian's site, trying that
[02:03] <q-t> ok. But is there an alternative source to install openoffice from, because it seems that there is something wrong when I download and install from the ubuntu universe
[02:03] <Cubey> conflicted with kidelibs-bin
[02:03] <Cubey> ARGH!
[02:04] <Jester45> q-t: ummm you can try the openoffice website you might have to compile, they might not have debs
[02:05] <q-t> ok
[02:06] <Cubey> i swear, linux isn't worth it. i've spent 2 days now messing around and it's still not working. doesn't even that long to reinstall and reconfig windows in a really bad virus attack (ie: no AV at all).
[02:06] <Cubey> well
[02:06] <Cubey> not working how i want it
[02:06] <Cubey> i'm not expecting much either
[02:06] <Cubey> :\
[02:07] <Jester45> Cubey: well stop using it then i tried to help
[02:07] <Cubey> Jester45: Oh, I'm not angry at ya'll, I do appricate the help. But it's just so frustrating :(
[02:08] <Cubey> it *should* just work with the normal flash plugin... :/
[02:09] <Cubey> the machine is capable of doing so (under windows anyway). :
[02:09] <Cubey> :|
[02:09] <Cubey> needing a machine more powerful for linux than windows seems... wrong.
[02:09] <Jester45> Cubey: i have old machines that would beuseless in windows and they are serving well
[02:10] <Jester45> in linux
[02:10] <Cubey> Well, when it comes to a 1GHz system like I'm TRYING to get this going on
[02:11] <Cubey> I will admit ubuntu is very user friendly and such, but it seems like linux is always many giant steps behind where it should be IMO
[02:11] <Cubey> maybe i'm expecting too much, i don't know.
[02:11] <Jester45> you might just have a diffrent point of view
[02:12] <Cubey> But I think if someone is going to switch from Windows to Linux, then the distro needs to at least do multimedia the same, which is something so common...
[02:12] <Jester45> i enjoy both windows and linux and use them for diffrent things
[02:13] <Cubey> Well, let me explain my reasoning. I was considering a linux machine for everday use (web browsing, chatting, watching video streams, etc) and a windows machine to the side for games, large downloads, burning, etc.
[02:14] <Cubey> it seems the youtube thing is the only problem i'm having
[02:14] <Cubey> but it's kind of a big one as i use the site often
[02:14] <Jester45> well i think linux is working on getting there one of the bigger speed bumbs is that linux is suposed to be non-properitary  so very simple mulimedia things will not "just work" but they are getting there like the video drivers just a few weeks ago my 2nd newest card became opensource accerated
[02:15] <Jester45> i think the othre block is...
[02:15] <Jester45> Bug #1
[02:15] <Cubey> hm?
[02:15] <q-t> my ati card will absolutley not work:P
[02:15] <AlexC> hello, i unclicked the gdm in system > services
[02:15] <Cubey> I have an older nvidia card in the ubuntu machine, works accelerated fine
[02:16] <Jester45> oo ubugtu isnt here
[02:16] <Jester45> q-t: new card?
[02:16] <AlexC> how do i reclick it in console?
[02:16] <q-t> ati mobility radeon 9600
[02:16] <q-t> its three years old or something
[02:17] <Jester45> AlexC: you might have to google that i remember how to do it somewhere but i cant remeber, someone in here might know
[02:17] <Cubey> AlexC: 'sudo startx' and correct it
[02:17] <Cubey> I think that's what you want
[02:17] <AlexC> okay, brb
[02:17] <Jester45> well... AlexC run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm
[02:17] <Jester45> anbd you get gdm back
[02:17] <Jester45> but make sure to recheck
[02:17] <Cubey> I was thinking it was a setting within the desktop gui
[02:19] <Cubey> Hmm, I think I may just resort to win2k for an everyday machine. or... hell. just stick to this one. one virus/trojan problem every few years isn't bad. i'm justa lil paranoid after a recent one that was my fault
[02:19] <q-t> is there a way to tune down the resolution in xubuntu without fiddling with the xorg.conf???
[02:19] <Jester45> Cubey: bug #1 is that MS has the magority market share, so things are made to work with windows 1st then linux 2nd
[02:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[02:19] <Jester45> q-t: crtl + alt + -/+
[02:20] <Jester45> aa its back
[02:20] <Cubey> Jester45: ehh?? linux is #2? Wouldnt that be mac?
[02:20] <Jester45> not sure i only seen 1 mac ever running in my life
[02:20] <Cubey> lol
[02:20] <q-t> Jester45: didnt work =_0
[02:20] <Cubey> as far as hardware/software, mac is #2 i'd say
[02:21] <Jester45> well #3 but you get my point?
[02:21] <Jester45> i have to go clean my car be back later
[02:21] <q-t> ok
[02:21] <cjae> ok why is my sound clicking in some media players while playing mp3??
[02:22] <q-t> Cubey: do u know anything about tuning down the resolution???
[02:22] <Cubey> but anyway, i'm not expecting linux to be exactly like windows in every respect. i don't expect windows apps to work (though they can under WINE) under linux. i was happy to get streaming NSV working. yet.... youtube isn't working
[02:22] <Cubey> Cubey: Jester45 just told you how ;)
[02:22] <Cubey> erm
[02:22] <Cubey> telling myself that :P
[02:22] <q-t> Cubey: didnt work:P
[02:22] <cjae> ok why is my sound clicking in some media players while playing mp3??
[02:22] <AlexC> when i click sys>services it reads "The configuration could not be loaded: you are not allowed to access system configuration"
[02:22] <q-t> Cubey: ctrl+alt+ -/+
[02:23] <cjae> notably vlc opps sorry for two posts
[02:23] <Cubey> press ctrl, alt and the + or - on the numpad
[02:24] <q-t> Cubey: I dont have a numpad on my laptop:P hehe, i tried with the 0 and the dash
[02:24] <Cubey> AlexC: did you do it as sudo?
[02:24] <AlexC> yes
[02:24] <AlexC> and logged in as the admin user
[02:24] <Cubey> qt: laptop should have a way to enable emulated numpad
[02:24] <Cubey> hm
[02:24] <q-t> uhm, ok
[02:24] <AlexC> i'll try as root
[02:24] <Cubey> wait
[02:25] <Cubey> have you tried running the config tool in console?
[02:25] <Cubey> blargh, now i forgot the name of it and i just ran it earlier
[02:26] <q-t> Cubey: talking to me?
[02:26] <Cubey> no
[02:26] <Cubey> AlexC
[02:27] <Cubey> well, thanks for the help guys. but i guess i'll forget about linux, for the *tries to count the times.......* ...5th time?
[02:27] <Cubey> it seems to be a purely software issue, so there's not much that can be done i guess. :\
[02:29] <Grey_Loki> Cubey, well, i'd say it's closer to a hardware issue, tbh - I mean, I run xubuntu 6.10 and 7.04, and YouTube works fine in Opera, FireFox, and IES4linux, as do any other flash applets.
[02:30] <AlexC> i haven't tried it in console
[02:30] <Cubey> Grey_Loki: P3/1GHz, 640MB, Geforce2MX 200 video card. should be good...
[02:30] <AlexC> i don't know app
[02:30] <Grey_Loki> Cubey, have you installed the nvidia drivers?
[02:30] <Cubey> AlexC: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:31] <Cubey> Grey_Loki: Yep. and glxinfo says yes
[02:32] <Cubey> And the nvidia logo comes up for a second or so upon booting
[02:32] <Cubey> glxgears didn't much work before i installed it, now it does
[02:32] <Grey_Loki> Cubey, have you added anything to the stock Xubuntu install, aside from trying to install Flash?
[02:32] <Grey_Loki> s/anything/much
[02:33] <q-t> How can i enable numpad simulation for a laptop in xubuntu???
[02:33] <Cubey> Grey_Loki: it's an ubuntu install with xubuntu desktop added on
[02:33] <AlexC> i fixed it
[02:33] <Cubey> q-t: look at your keyboard for a way to turn it on
[02:33] <AlexC> i don't know how though
[02:33] <q-t> Cubey: thnx, hehe
[02:33] <Grey_Loki> q-t, if you look on your laptop keyboard, there'll be the 'numpad' marked in a darker colour on some keys to the right hand side
[02:33] <AlexC> thanks for your hrelp
[02:33] <Cubey> AlexC: Good :)
[02:34] <AlexC> help*
[02:34] <AlexC> bye
[02:34] <Grey_Loki> And an 'FN' key somewhere - 'function' - just press that, and a key that has a character in the same colour as your FN key, to enter that character
[02:34] <Cubey> q-t: usually you have to hold down a button (or enable it)
[02:34] <Grey_Loki> Cubey, you downloaded the flash binary thingy from adobe's website, and installed it from there?
[02:34] <Cubey> wow, i actually gave linux support :P
[02:34] <Cubey> Grey_Loki: as i recall, yes (it was last night)
[02:34] <Cubey> it's flash 9
[02:35] <Grey_Loki> Cubey, well, for future reference, doing any admin work (no matter how trivial) when you're not in posession of your full cognitive faculties is a large case of DO NOT WANT :P
[02:35] <Grey_Loki> Did you save a log of the installation?
[02:36] <Cubey> Grey_Loki: I honestly don't remember, that's about the only thing i cant remember doing. i know i did it, but that's all
[02:36] <Cubey> might have been done through the add/remove
[02:36] <Grey_Loki> Cubey, I take it you've tried a straight removal and reinstallation of Flash?
[02:36] <Cubey> I did so dang much video-wise last night i don't know
[02:36] <Grey_Loki> Add/Remove = Synaptic Package Manager?
[02:37] <q-t> its enabled, but the ctrl+alt+ -/+ still doesnt work
[02:37] <Cubey> Grey_Loki: I don't know it by name but that's probably it
[02:37] <Cubey> q-t: do the last command I gave AlexC then, in console
[02:38] <Cubey> Grey_Loki: to answer your question better from earlier about if i've installed anything else after "stock", yes, lots of video related codecs etc.. trying to get nsv video working (and I did and it works fine)
[02:39] <Grey_Loki> Nullsoft Streaming Video?
[02:39] <Cubey> yes
[02:39] <Cubey> I watch a lot of streaming NSV and so i need that for a daily use system
[02:40] <Grey_Loki> Hmm
[02:40] <Cubey> i think if i can get youtube working i can stand to use linux as a daily machine perhaps
[02:40] <Cubey> though i'm starting to think, yet again, it's not worth the hassle :(
[02:41] <Cubey> 1 day every few years to deal with a security/virii related problem on this PC. seems worth using windows for support for everything i need/want
[02:41] <Grey_Loki> My best guess (as a fairly new linux user :P) would be that during your installation of the NSV codecs, you installed an outdated version of a library required by Flash.
[02:42] <Cubey> well, i'm about to try reinstalling flash then
[02:42] <Grey_Loki> Cubey, it took me two distros and about six months of on-and-off effort to finally get LInux how I wanted it.
[02:42] <Grey_Loki> !flash-nonfree
[02:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash-nonfree - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:42] <Grey_Loki> !flash
[02:42] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:42] <Cubey> !Gnash
[02:42] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[02:42] <Cubey> meh
[02:42] <Grey_Loki> Cubey, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Flash#Linux_and_Solaris that might help you
[02:42] <Grey_Loki> And this - http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_15380
[02:43] <Grey_Loki> In your uninstallation/reinstallation of Flash, that is.
[02:44] <Grey_Loki> That's about all I can suggest - that and 'sudo apt-get install flash-nonfree', which I believe is the package name for the flash repos, if you wanted to reinstall via apt.
[02:44] <Grey_Loki> I'm off to bed - sorry I couldn't be of more help
[02:44] <Grey_Loki> Stick with it - nothing in linux is unsolveable.
[02:45] <Cubey> reinstalled, same lag
[02:47] <Cubey> flash site says the newest linux version
[02:48] <hitmanWilly> the repo ones tend to work better, set up for ubuntu
[02:51] <q-t> I get this error message about my cdrom when i boot up into terminal... and it keeps on popping up, never stopping. fills the whole screen....
[02:53] <Cubey> oh, the hell with it :/ win2k with and a fw is better than unless days of configuring for what takes 2 minutes. thanks for your help but i guess i'll never like linux until it starts actually WORKING how i want it to.
[02:53] <Cubey> with av and fw*
[02:54] <Cubey> meh. anyway, bye all
[02:55] <CoRnJuLiOx> ok, i'm having a bit of trouble w/Thunar. whenever i double click on a folder on the desktop it gives me an error that says the associated application can't be found. i can't open any folder on my desktop w/out first starting thunar from the terminal. i was told that i have to set the path variable for GDM, so how do i do that?
[03:00] <q-t> would it be possible to just use a default vga driver for your ati card???
[03:05] <hitmanWilly> q-t: yeah, vesa
[03:05] <q-t> ok
[03:06] <q-t> the thing is that everything is working just fine, BUT, the graphics when I open Openoffice is all screwy....
[03:08] <hitmanWilly> q-t: ?
[03:08] <hitmanWilly> q-t: define "screwy"
[03:16] <q-t> hitmanWilly: all different colors, the bars on the top are covered in just a chaos of colors and so on.
[03:17] <q-t> its black, and prickly with different colors
[03:18] <q-t> do you understand what im talking about :P ?
[03:19] <CoRnJuLiOx> did anyone answer my question while i was away?
[03:21] <q-t> afraid no
[03:21] <CoRnJuLiOx> damn
[03:24] <peepsalot> q-t, if you just want a simple word processor, abiword is another alternative that you can try
[03:25] <q-t> ok, is that compatible with microsoft word?? because i need to open the documents i write in microsoft word
[03:27] <q-t> nevermind, ill check it out:)
[03:27] <q-t> when you boot with the xubuntu liveCD, what does the option 'install with upgrade cd' do???
[03:32] <j1mc> q-t: i think it would allow you to upgrade from xubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 using the cd... in case you don't have access to the net to install the packages.
[03:36] <Catoptromancy> q-t, You can easily download OpenOffice which can handle more formats than MSOffice can.
[03:36] <Catoptromancy> And Feisty comes with OpenOffice word processor
[03:37] <q-t> Yes, i have openoffice, but its not working correctly
[03:37] <Catoptromancy> How is it now working corrently?
[03:37] <q-t> the graphics gets all distorted on the top bar....
[03:37] <Catoptromancy> odd
[03:37] <Catoptromancy> I think AbiWord can do .doc files
[03:38] <q-t> ok
[03:39] <Jester45> there is a bug about that
[03:39] <q-t> The thing is i need it to write assignments at school (university), and...
[03:39] <Jester45> im not sure want one but lots of people are talking about it
[03:39] <Catoptromancy> Works fine on 2 PCs ive used
[03:39] <q-t> Jester45: it is???!!
[03:39] <q-t> it works fine on this pc too, but....not my laptop
[03:40] <Jester45> im pretty sure its a bug if they havent posted it yet it will be soon
[03:40] <Catoptromancy> q-t, Just last monday I wrote my class notes on MS word, and opened them in OpenOffice
[03:40] <Catoptromancy> heh I like the convert to PDF feature
[03:40] <q-t> ok
[03:41] <Jester45> ok i have a hp 712c on this computer and want to know if i need the cupsys and hplip or just one of them?
[03:44] <q-t> ehm, do i configure my network in the xorg.conf file or somewhere else?
[03:44] <Jester45> else
[03:44] <q-t> ok
[03:45] <Jester45> are you asking about wireed or wireless
[03:45] <q-t> yes
[03:45] <Jester45> !wireless
[03:45] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:45] <q-t> it was working, but then suddenly its not
[03:46] <Jester45> o
[03:46] <Catoptromancy> my wireless does that
[03:46] <Catoptromancy> few times a day I need to go to "network" and uncheck and recheck box
[03:47] <Catoptromancy> I use USB wireless
[03:47] <Jester45> well i will be back in a little
[03:52] <q-t> Ill just try to refresh it then
[03:54] <q-t> but im gonna go to bed now....cherrybaiiii
[04:31] <MissT> does anybody know if there's a good open source audio editor like Magix to use on xubuntu?
[04:34] <Catoptromancy> audacity?
[04:35] <MissT> i'll check that out, thanks, Catoptromancy
[04:35] <Catoptromancy> !audacity
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audacity - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:40] <Guest38760> Hi, I am new to linux. I will be putting it on my old laptop first. It is a Tecra 8000 Which version should I use?
[04:41] <Catoptromancy> 7.04
[04:41] <vidd> x86
[04:42] <vidd> does that answer your questions, or do you need more info?
[04:43] <vidd> If you have broadband access via a wired connection, you can get the internet installer
[04:44] <vidd> it is a smaller iso, that only loads the basics and fetches the rest off the internet
[04:52] <vidd> *wave* j1mc
[04:52] <vidd> Guest38760, did you want the link for the mini iso?
[04:54] <vidd> quess no
[04:54] <vidd> night all
[04:54] <j1mc> hi vidd
[05:29] <billy> hello. I just downloaded the xubuntu 7.04 livecd and the stupid thing is asking me for a username/password to login via gdm. I have read around that the username is "ubuntu" and the password is empty, but this errors. What is the correct username/password? Thanks!
[05:30] <billy> *ping*
[05:32] <billy> o_O
[06:35] <maxamillion> i really should know this, but how long is edgy supported for now that feisty is out?
[06:39] <tonyyarusso> 18 mo
[06:39] <tonyyarusso> So, April 2008
[06:40] <maxamillion> tonyyarusso: ah, ok .... nice
[06:40] <maxamillion> i will be upgrading this work laptop in like a month so i am all set, just couldn't remember
[06:41] <maxamillion> i should have known that, i really should have ... but this is the first machine i have ever owned that isn't running the current release or even an alpha/beta of the next release
[07:13] <AlexC> i installed mandriva on my xubuntu pc on a separate partition, mandriva created a new grub file and deleted all xubuntu entries, i put in root=/dev/hda1 boot=/boot/vmlinuz, when i start it the maouse doesn't work and on startup it has many failed modprobes, how do i configure it to load xubun tu correctly?
[07:14] <maxamillion> AlexC: when in xubuntu, enter "sudo update-grub" into the terminal and life should be back to normal
[07:15] <AlexC> okay i'll try that
[07:15] <maxamillion> AlexC: you can get to a terminal window by hitting alt+f2 and typing 'Terminal' in the run dialog that pops up and hitting enter
[07:18] <AlexC> didn't work
[07:18] <maxamillion> hmmm...
[07:18] <AlexC> it's a mandriva grub file i think
[07:19] <maxamillion> oh, then mandriva probably either took over the grub config or overwrote the boot loader in the mbr ... and that would probably be a mandriva thing ... something i would be really bad at helping with
[07:40] <AlexC> okay then
[07:40] <AlexC> i deleted mandirva
[07:41] <AlexC> and it still starts in a mandriva lilo
[07:41] <AlexC> very annoying
[07:41] <AlexC> i started xubuntu and xterm
[07:41] <AlexC> but mouse still doesn't work
[07:41] <AlexC> manamillion
[07:41] <AlexC> maxamillion
[07:42] <maxamillion> AlexC: uhmm... you might need to re-install grub
[07:43] <AlexC> how
[07:43] <AlexC> that computer has no internet connection
[07:43] <AlexC> liveCD?
[07:43] <maxamillion> AlexC: actuall .... try doing "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub" and see if you can just reconfig it to load everything right
[07:46] <AlexC> it still loads mandriva lilo
[07:46] <maxamillion> hmmm....
[07:46] <maxamillion> AlexC: ohhhh ... uhmmm, hold on
[07:46] <AlexC> k
[07:47] <maxamillion> AlexC: yeah, i think you might need to reinstall grub
[07:47] <AlexC> howzes
[07:48] <AlexC> ?
[07:48] <maxamillion> uhmm... can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[07:49] <AlexC> no
[07:49] <AlexC> different computer
[07:49] <maxamillion> ah
[07:49] <AlexC> and no sources would be any good anyway
[07:49] <AlexC> no connection
[07:49] <maxamillion> ok, can you look in it and see if it says something like "apt-cd <blah blah>" towards the top (should be on one line)
[07:49] <AlexC> unless i had alternative cd
[07:50] <maxamillion> naw, you should still be able to install things off the livecd (iirc)
[07:50] <AlexC> maybe
[07:50] <AlexC> hmmmmm
[07:50] <AlexC> me try this
[07:50] <maxamillion> ok
[07:53] <AlexC> doesn't have that in sources.list
[07:54] <maxamillion> hmm, might not be possible from the liveCD now that i think about it
[07:54] <AlexC> should i just re-install xubuntu
[07:54] <AlexC> it was a new install
[07:54] <AlexC> not much data would be lost
[07:54] <maxamillion> AlexC: check in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and see if grub is in there, if so we can technically work from there
[07:56] <maxamillion> AlexC: otherwise, yes ... a fresh install might be the best bet and you can actually get all the data off there with the live cd if you have a usb flash drive and a little time or possible a usb external hard drive
[07:57] <AlexC> there is a file called "lock" and a folder called "partial"
[07:57] <maxamillion> i am unfamiliar with that
[07:57] <AlexC> okay
[07:58] <AlexC> i will freashen up my onstall
[07:58] <AlexC> install*
[07:58] <AlexC> thanks for your help
[07:58] <maxamillion> ohhh, yeah the partial folder in archives .... i think that is for downloads that don't complete so they can resume from where they left off
[07:58] <maxamillion> AlexC: anytime, good luck with the re-install ... hope you can save your data :)
[07:59] <maxamillion> i think i am off to bed, i have to get up early for work tomorrrow
[07:59] <AlexC> bye