[12:48] <mphill> the update today seems to have broken my X11.  I re-ran the nvidia installer but i keep getting the error failed to load module "nvidia"  (module does not exist).  I have the nv module in the restricted like as well. any ideas?
[01:31] <fignew> mphill: what version of ubuntu?
[01:50] <gnomefreak> fignew: hes running gutsy if he got X updates
[01:55] <fignew> that's what I figured... just wanted to make sure :/
[04:48] <DanaG> Argh, with Gutsy, all my virtual consoles are blank.
[04:49] <DanaG> Where should I look first for a cause?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> DanaG: no idea, but i cant reproduce that
[04:52] <DanaG> hmm, I have vga=792; perhaps I should try 791 instead.
[04:59] <DanaG> Does Splashy work, and is it worth bothering with?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> no idea, sorry
[05:01] <DanaG> Also, even in Feisty, my suspend recently stopped working.  I think it was a BIOS update that did it -- from 72.11 to 72.14 -- look at http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/gateway_pa6_bios_7214.txt
[05:07] <fignew> DanaG: What exactly happens when you try to suspend/resume?
[05:07] <fignew> does it have trouble during the suspending part or the resuming part?
[05:08] <DanaG> Resuming.
[05:09] <DanaG> It shows some hard drive activity, but then freezes.
[05:09] <fignew> does the screen ever turn back on?
[05:09] <DanaG> For a few seconds, I'll be able to toggle my Wireless LED (it's BIOS-controlled), but soon after, it freezes.
[05:10] <fignew> try turning on/off the LCD with the FN button on the kbd
[05:10] <fignew> also try switching outputs
[05:10] <DanaG> It's a super-lock -- the BIOS seems to have crashed at that point.
[05:10] <fignew> hmm
[05:10] <DanaG> Also, even Windows XP has issues -- I'll put the laptop into suspend-to-ram and put it in my bag, and later I'll find that it's randomly woken up on its own and frozen at the same sort of black screen.
[05:11] <fignew> have you tried suspending it from ubuntu & suspending it with the kbd button?
[05:11] <fignew> gah, sounds like one heck of a crappy BIOS :(
[05:12] <DanaG> Vista works fine.  I guess Gateway broke XP to get Vista to work.
[05:12] <DanaG> Time to try the old BIOS.  I linked to the changelog earlier.
[05:13] <DanaG> "Disable all about "in_standy" function."
[05:13] <fignew> yea :(
[05:14] <DanaG> Hold on, I'll have to boot Windows to flash the BIOS.
[06:31] <DanaG> Okay, downgrading BIOS didn't fix it, but I haven't tried without uswsusp.
[06:31] <DanaG> Also, booting my older custom kernel with no builtin framebuffer drivers gives me all consoles.
[06:31] <fignew_> software suspend should be unnecessary
[06:36] <DanaG> What I had found to work best was Suspend2.
[06:48] <tritium> anybody found a way to correct for overscan with nvidia drivers?
[06:53] <fignew> tritium: not necessary
[06:53] <fignew> tritium: though, XFS does kick some major butt
[06:53] <tritium> fignew: ext3 is sufficient?
[06:54] <fignew> yes
[06:54] <tritium> xfs is good for large files?
[06:54] <fignew> not as fast though
[06:54] <fignew> tritium: exactly
[06:54] <tritium> I'm too lazy to partition
[06:54] <tritium> fignew: thanks :)
[06:55] <fignew> lol, you could set XFS as /
[06:55] <fignew> be cool like me ;)
[06:55] <fignew> wouldn't do it on a computer without a UPS though
[06:55] <tritium> Ah, interesting...
[06:56] <tritium> Do you notice a big performance difference?
[06:56] <tritium> I currently have ext3 / and /var/lib/mythtv as xfs, but I'm reinstalling.
[06:58] <fignew> tritium: hmmm
[06:58] <fignew> hard to tell
[06:58] <fignew> but benchmarks are pretty impressive :)
[06:58] <fignew> lol
[06:58] <tritium> Yeah, maybe I'll research a bit before I decide :)
[06:58] <tritium> Thanks, buddy.
[06:59] <fignew> ext3 is fine though :)
[06:59] <tritium> I wonder what mythbuntu will be doing by default.
[06:59] <fignew> the biggest difference if I remember correctly is delete speed
[06:59] <fignew> not that XFS is fast at deleting stuff, ext3 is slow ;)
[06:59] <tritium> Oh, that's no big deal to me...
[07:01] <tritium> Well, take care.  I'm shutting down...
[07:07] <DanaG> Odd, I tried to modprobe -r dock, and the kernel froze.
[07:07] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and my iAudio6 shows up as a USB Mass Storage device even when it's in MTP mode.  Why is that?
[07:08] <DanaG> I usually use UMS mode, but I wanted to try MTP just for the heck of it.
[07:10] <DanaG> Is there a nice easy-to-find list of new (not just updated/upgraded) packages since Feisty?
[07:25] <RAOF> Hm, interesting question.  Not that I know of.
[07:28] <stdin> maybe on packages.ubuntu.com?
[07:29] <DanaG> knetworkmanager: error while loading shared libraries: libnetworkstatus.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:30] <RAOF> Hey, that one's *old*.  You mean it hasn't been fixed yet?
[07:31] <DanaG> Let me try force-purging and reinstalling the networkstatus package.
[07:33] <DanaG> Nope, still missing.
[07:35] <RAOF> It's quite possible that it *hasn't* been fixed yet :)
[07:37] <DanaG> Oh, and what are the "linux-ubuntu-modules" and "linux-backports-modules" packages?
[07:38] <RAOF> Well, I believe the "backport" modules are exactly what they claim to be: backports of newer drivers onto the current kernel.  Obviously, they'll be empty for Gutsy, but they may start to accumulate stuff in Feisty.
[07:38] <RAOF> No idea what the _ubuntu_ modules are, though.
[07:41] <DanaG> if you're in USA somewhere.
[07:41] <DanaG> dang.
[07:41] <crdlb> RAOF: you can't use a local mirror?
[07:41] <RAOF> And that's an actuall mirror of archive.ubuntu.com?  Because _au_.archive.ubuntu.com is perpetually out of date.
[07:41] <DanaG> Still, any mirrors on the Internet2 thingy may be helpful.
[07:42] <DanaG> san1 is sometimes out of date, however.  I put local mirrors above officials in sources.list, so locals take priority if not out of date.
[07:42] <RAOF> Yeah, that's where au.archive.ubuntu.com is.  It's just that it's out of date :(
[07:42] <DanaG> Right now aptitude is getting stuff from the official mirror.
[07:42] <Hobbsee> RAOF: wont be fixed until next week.
[07:42] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i fixed the qt gtk engine, though
[07:43] <Hobbsee> DanaG: ^
[07:43] <Hobbsee> DanaG: downgrade to the feisty versoin
[07:43] <Hobbsee> unless i decide to be brave, and look at it myself
[07:43] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Heh.  I *knew* someone kared about KDE :P
[07:43] <Hobbsee> bah.  qtcurve works.  if you really want to introduce gtk to kde
[07:43] <DanaG> me wishes he could always use the non-composite volume thingy.
[07:43] <DanaG> I like Human-Ubuntulooks.
[07:44] <Hobbsee> RAOF: it was a bad merge - riddell did it.  it involves kdepim, which is being upgraded to 3.5.7 anyway.
[07:44] <DanaG> Amarok is almost the only KDE app I use.
[07:44] <Hobbsee> RAOF: so it's more complicated than at first look
[07:44] <RAOF> Ah, fair enough.
[07:44] <Hobbsee> i've fixed a few other bits of kde though, so that's a start.
[07:45] <Hobbsee> DanaG: just downgrade networkstatus to the feisty version, and you'll have no problem
[07:45] <DanaG> I use knetworkmanager in Gnome, because it gives useful status info that nm-applet lacks.
[07:46] <RAOF> DanaG: Really?  Cool.  Such as?
[07:46] <DanaG> IP address, AP MAC address, signal strength.
[07:46] <crdlb> isn't there a dialog box with that?
[07:46] <RAOF> Um...
[07:46] <crdlb> in nm-applet
[07:46] <RAOF> "Connection Information"
[07:47] <RAOF> Lists all those things.  Well, except for the signal strength, because that's the tooltip of NM :)
[07:47] <RAOF> Oh, no.  Not *AP* MAC address.
[07:48] <DanaG> Find me the path of networkstatus under here, please......: http://san1.csc.calpoly.edu/ubuntu/ubuntu/pool/
[07:48] <DanaG> Connection info seems to be new--ish.
[07:50] <DanaG> dang, the SAN IS out of date.  http://san1.csc.calpoly.edu/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/
[07:52] <RAOF> But archive's sped up :)
[07:53] <DanaG> I can't find networkstatus.
[08:04] <asdfj> after upgrading to the latest ATI (AMD) fglrx driver, my X server won't start, anyone know anything about it?
[08:05] <Hobbsee> wait for a fix?
[08:05] <Hobbsee> it's the middle of an x transition, alst i knew
[08:05] <asdfj> i see, anyone else have a problem or just me?
[08:06] <Hobbsee> unlikely just you
[08:07] <asdfj> alright, vesa driver works ok for now...no 3d goodness for a while
[08:07] <DanaG> Mmm, /me sets fb resolution to 80x50.
[08:07] <DanaG> Pixels.
[08:08] <asdfj> or ATI would release the open source driver they have been talking for a while ...
[08:08] <DanaG> That's a quarter of 160x100, which is a quarter of 320x200, which is a quarter of 640x400, which is a quarter of 1280x800.
[08:09] <asdfj> 80x50 - pixels or rows and columns?
[08:09] <DanaG> Pixels.
[08:09] <DanaG> It's fun to set it to ridiculously low resolution, and see how it scales.
[08:10] <asdfj> and you can see it from far away as well I guess...
[08:10] <DanaG> That requires nvidiafb, which for me only works with the nvidiafb i2c option disabled in my custom kernel.
[08:10] <DanaG> I should take a picture of it.
[08:10] <asdfj> how many characters can it fit per line?
[08:11] <DanaG> Perhaps about three.
[08:11] <DanaG> Or four.
[08:11] <asdfj> that should be enough  ;-)
[08:12] <DanaG> I wonder why my iAudio6 shows up as USB Mass Storage even when it's in MTP mode.
[08:18] <DanaG> Oh, and when I was upgrading to Gutsy, I accidentally put "gusty" in my sources.list.
[08:22] <Hobbsee> DanaG: we had the same trouble with feisty and changelogs
[08:22] <Hobbsee> DanaG: until they updated devscripts, iirc :P
[08:22] <DanaG> heh, gusty.  It inspires childish jokes.
[08:23] <DanaG> Also, it reminds me of Breezy.
[08:24] <Hobbsee> RAOF: democracyplayer is on hte merge list.  do make sure you enjoy it.
[08:24] <RAOF> Learn how to use gconf-editor :P
[08:24] <crdlb> gnome-compiz-manager is much better
[08:25] <RAOF> And I'm not using *feisty's* compiz :P
[08:25] <DanaG> Are you using the re-merged one?
[08:25] <RAOF> Yup.
[08:25] <DanaG> Beryl / Compiz have sort of gone out-of-sight, out-of-mind to me.
[08:25] <RAOF> And actually writing some patches for it at the moment...
[08:26] <RAOF> Hence, not a good idea to play with it *too* hard while dpkg is working :)
[08:26] <DanaG> I still use 1.99999.whatever, because 2.0 breaks lamp + trans cube.
[08:26] <DanaG> Deliberately.
[08:26] <RAOF> Really?  I never got in to Beryl.  Except in a "why are they depleting *my* compiz development community, damnit!"
[08:28] <DanaG> s damn annoying.
[08:28] <crdlb> I do that all the time
[08:28] <RAOF> Ah, awesome.  Aptitude hadn't finished downloading packages when I had to kill X.
[08:29] <RAOF> That'd be an excellent idea.
[08:31] <RAOF> Hm, I seem to have broken pulseaudio somewhere.
[08:34] <DanaG> But then apps using it, such as Amarok, die.
[08:34] <RAOF> Yeah.  Banshee doesn't like it very much when my remote pulseaudio server disappears either.
[08:35] <DanaG> It also needs to show streams longer -- it's pretty durn hard to move Gaim and X11-bell when they pop up for fractions of a second.
[08:37] <RAOF> It'd be nice if once a stream was played, it hung around indefiniately.
[08:38] <DanaG> Oh, and if Amarok dies from PulseAudio dying, it won't start again for the rest of the session, it seems.
[08:38] <DanaG> I oughtta file a bug on that.
[08:39] <DanaG> Amarok: [Loader]  Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?
[08:42] <DanaG> And now anything that tries to touch PulseAudio dies.
[08:46] <RAOF> Wow, texlive takes a long time to install.
[08:47] <Hobbsee> DanaG: does amarok even *do* pulse audio?
[08:47] <DanaG> Xine does.
[08:48] <Hobbsee> ah right
[08:48] <Hobbsee> DanaG: i'd be careful what bugs you file for amarok - they're not looking at kde3 anymore
[08:48] <Hobbsee> DanaG: and lots of stuff has already changed for kde4
[08:49] <DanaG> aah.
[08:49] <DanaG> Remember the old "eft-theme.so" from the usplash-dev package?
[08:49] <DanaG> I wish there were another nice theme like that one.
[08:49] <DanaG> But I'm no artist.
[08:53] <DanaG> module-alsa-source.c: *** ALSA-XRUN (capture) ***
[08:55] <DanaG> Oh yay, I just got spammed by about 20 Gaim -- er, Pidgin, sounds.
[08:55] <DanaG> Apparently they all accumulated in PulseAudio for over a minute.
[08:57] <DanaG> I found a fun way of confusing PulseAudio:
[08:57] <DanaG> Enable RTP receiver; enable sender with separate device and "loopback to local speakers"
[08:57] <DanaG> then point an app to the RTSP sink and point the stream back into the sink.
[09:25] <RAOF> Would you believe it?  Evolution isn't very happy running a in a hybrid 2.10/2.11 setup!
[09:34] <DanaG> Apparently my confusing PulseAudio really DID break it.
[09:34] <DanaG> The way to fix it: disable the stream receiver.
[01:06] <Figaro> hi
[01:07] <Figaro> need some advie on mac os x
[01:07] <Figaro> advice
[01:07] <Figaro> how do i do to install ubuntu on my mac
[03:52] <magic_ninja> !ipod
[03:52] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[03:54] <magic_ninja> !banshee
[03:54] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[05:15] <masquerade> I'm trying to get a package not available in any gutsy repositories but available in one for feisty to install. Is there any simple way to have apt consider feisty packages for installation?
[05:16] <borschty> add the feisty repos
[05:17] <masquerade> borschty, they are added
[05:17] <masquerade> via /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ if that makes any difference
[05:18] <borschty> then install the package
[05:18] <masquerade> if it would install, I wouldn't be here asking for help
[05:19] <soundray> masquerade: still here?
[05:19] <masquerade> soundray, yes
[05:20] <soundray> Haven't got gutsy, but I'll try to help.
[05:20] <borschty> did you apt-get update?
[05:20] <masquerade> I did, but I can try again to be certain
[05:21] <soundray> oh, I must have missed a part...
[05:21] <masquerade> borschty, aha, lessed the apt-get update output this time and its spitting back errors on the repository.
[05:22] <borschty> maybe a typo?
[05:22] <masquerade> DNS isn't resolving. Bleh.
[05:23] <borschty> host archive.ubuntu.com
[05:23] <borschty> archive.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.89.6
[05:24] <masquerade> I've got it, thanks though. Seems to be working now
[05:24] <masquerade> Switched back to OpenDNS, Comcast is really upsetting me again lately
[11:18] <ToHellWithGA> i dunno what happend crimsun but my card is working with dmix
[11:18] <ToHellWithGA> that m-audio card that i was fighting forever is now working flawlessly
[11:18] <ToHellWithGA> i reinstalled feisty from the live CD that shipped to me after cleaning out all of the configuration files in my home directory and keeping just my documents
[11:19] <ToHellWithGA> i appreciate all your help trying to troubleshoot it back in the day, man.  something yall did right in feisty (and now gutsy) has it working quite nicely
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[11:39] <ondra> hi, I am a maintainer of a package in Debian, and I would like to write some info how to install it on ubuntu - it is in gutsy now - what is the intended way for ubuntu users to install a package from gutsy in feisty? (just adding the gutsy repository and apt-get -t gutsy install something ?)
[11:41] <ToHellWithGA> ondra: i don't think there is an intended way
[11:41] <ToHellWithGA> the closest thing would be a backport
[11:41] <ToHellWithGA> a build using the feisty toolkit on a gutsy package with proper code modifications
[11:42] <ToHellWithGA> does that make sense at all?
[11:42] <ondra> I thought so - yes it does make sense
[11:42] <ondra> but it's quite a lot of work, so I'll probably wait till the release of gutsy
[11:42] <ondra> and just tell the users to wget the deb package and wajig install.
[11:43] <ondra> because the apt-get -t gutsy could trigger a lot of packages to upgrade
[11:48] <Hobbsee> ondra: they could do that, but it could break dependancies
[11:48] <Hobbsee> ondra: assuming hte package works fine in feisty, without changes, you can just request a backport
[11:49] <ToHellWithGA> Hobbsee: how would one do that?  just build it with the feisty toolchain?
[11:49] <Hobbsee> ToHellWithGA: to check it works, then file a backport bug
[11:49] <Hobbsee> !backport
[11:49] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[11:50] <ToHellWithGA> cheers
[11:51] <ondra> I see - I think the backports is the intended way