[12:42] <darkmatter> troy_s, but I'm still damn serious about needing a *HIG* for gfx. as in get all the messed up crap in gnome fixed. Because one thing theming has taught me over the years is GTK APPLICATIONS ARE FREAKIN DISORGANIZED PILES OF CRAP!!!!!
[12:42] <darkmatter> excuse the shoutin' ;)
[12:42] <troy_s> lol
[12:43] <troy_s> darkmatter: Tis true... I don't know if 'HIG" is the right term
[12:43] <troy_s> darkmatter: It s a load of shit that people push around pretending it to be real.
[12:43] <darkmatter> lol.. likely not the right term
[12:43] <darkmatter> aye
[12:43] <troy_s> darkmatter: How many humans are there?  Probably at least as many guidelines.
[12:43] <darkmatter> indeed
[12:43] <troy_s> darkmatter: That said, yes... a SPECIFIC AND CLEARLY outlines audience design pattern wouldn't hurt.
[12:44] <darkmatter> troy_s,  "IDG". happy :P
[12:44] <troy_s> darkmatter: I still say break the fucking link between the devs and the interface
[12:44] <darkmatter> yup
[12:44] <troy_s> darkmatter: I keep returning to it because it is the _most logical_ thing I have seen yet.
[12:45] <darkmatter> troy_s, the only link devs should have to the ui is binding the callbacks ;)
[12:45] <troy_s> darkmatter: Indeed.  The rest should be profile based / layered
[12:45] <darkmatter> yup
[12:45] <troy_s> darkmatter: Such that you could say, combine 'expert user' with 'visually impaired' with a layering technique
[12:46] <troy_s> darkmatter: About all we can do is bitch and do what you can however.
[12:46] <darkmatter> yup
[12:46] <troy_s> darkmatter: It seems that either following what someone else is doing is a great idea
[12:46] <troy_s> darkmatter: Or you wait until someone rubs your nose in something _soooooo_ badly that everyone wakes up and goes 'hey maybe its time for change'
[12:47] <troy_s> darkmatter: I am already seeing the fucking barrage of iphone dupes now
[12:47] <troy_s> it makes me puke
[12:47] <troy_s> darkmatter: J. Ive == very talented guy, did a lot for apple, brilliant mind,
[12:47] <troy_s> but um
[12:47] <troy_s> can we just let him do his thing and perhaps try to pursue the name of innovation
[12:48] <troy_s> chasing ANYTHING ALWAYS locates you in at best -- second place.
[12:48] <troy_s> Hello Ubuntu!
[12:48] <darkmatter> so many levels of issues to... including things like "why in f**king hell did that idiot programmer use a listveiw to draw that element instead of a flat box!!???"
[12:48] <troy_s> lol
[12:48] <troy_s> completely
[12:48] <troy_s> I just wish Ubuntu would actually hire a DESIGNER
[12:48] <troy_s> it drives me fucking bonkers
[12:48] <troy_s> _bon_kers_
[12:49] <darkmatter> hehe... I wish gnome would higher a slave driver to whip the devs into shape
[12:52] <darkmatter> troy_s, yeah... and I have just one thing to say in regards to the whole Follow-the-Leader mentality: " I.   LOATH.   SHEEP. "
[12:52] <troy_s> darkmatter: Well change is healthy
[12:53] <troy_s> darkmatter: Difference is _good_
[12:53] <darkmatter> yup
[12:53] <troy_s> darkmatter: Ubuntu is _different_ so let it _BE_ fucking different
[12:53] <troy_s> darkmatter: Let it be beautiful
[12:53] <darkmatter> indeed
[12:53] <troy_s> darkmatter: I can't think of anything more pathetic than the utterly completely half assed 10 minute gradient working in the ubuntus
[12:54] <troy_s> darkmatter: It is beyond comprehension.
[12:54] <darkmatter> lol
[12:54] <darkmatter> yes
[12:54] <troy_s> darkmatter: Ubuntu's the big boy on the block, it could do with having one of the smaller guys kick its ass around a little.
[12:54] <troy_s> darkmatter: It is just so frighteningly corporate 'wannabe' and yet it is realistically utterly niche
[12:54] <troy_s> darkmatter: Such that it might want to consider a design pattern that does _SOMETHING_
[12:55] <darkmatter> hehe
[12:56] <troy_s> darkmatter: it is _especially_ insulting when you have artists (and I mean artists) such as coz_ around
[12:56] <troy_s> etc
[12:57] <troy_s> darkmatter: He has abilities that _shame_ many
[12:57] <troy_s> darkmatter: of course the artistic temperment comes with that, but so be it.
[12:57] <troy_s> darkmatter: you rally someone like that, you manage to gain much.
[12:57] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup
[01:00] <darkmatter> troy_s, the artistic temperament is a wondrous thing. though at times people cant stand mine :P
[08:54] <darkmatter> troy_s, you'll have the alpha today ;)
[08:55] <darkmatter> of the gtk
[08:55] <nothlit> lol, i think you should just announce it to the whole channel ;p
[08:55] <darkmatter> hopefull metacity wont take to long
[08:55] <darkmatter> oops
[08:55] <darkmatter> :P
[08:56] <darkmatter> bbiab
[08:58] <troy_s> darkmatter: Thanks mate
[08:58] <troy_s> darkmatter: I can finally get towards alpha.
[09:21] <nothlit> troy_s: https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/communitytheme/gutsy/sketches/tree_wireframe_energy.png like this?
[09:28] <troy_s> nothlit: It might be nice to see what some of the 3d artists can do