[12:31] <Dabian> Hi, I hope I am in the right channel!?
[12:31] <Dabian> Here is the situation:
[12:31] <Dabian> I found that some of the files in xemacs21-base-support is required to be in another directory when you jde with GNU Emacs snapshot.  What is the proper way to fix this?  (A new package?  Adding the files to another package?  Simply let JDE and other packages that depend on these files depend on xemacs21-base and then copy the files, or modify the source to find the stuff in that directory?)
[12:32] <Dabian> Hmm .. did you get all of that, or was I cut off?
[12:33] <Dabian> I guess I could simply fix my own system and forget all about this .. but I like Ubuntu, and don't mind it to be even better. :)
[12:34] <Dabian> I could paste tons of info here .. but I'd rather let you ask questions so I supply the needed information.
[12:39] <Dabian> OK, I'll try in #Ubuntu or something.
[12:52] <tormod> Dabian: please file a bug and supply all the information there.
[12:57] <Dabian> tormod: Which package?  jde?
[12:58] <Dabian> tormod: I wonder if there is a proper maintainer for that package .. there used not to be.
[12:58] <Dabian> (At least for debian .. dunno about ubuntu, actually)
[12:59] <tormod> Dabian: apt-cache show jde -> MOTU
[01:09] <Dabian> !MOTU
[01:09] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[01:35] <Dabian> Thanks for the help.  I'll try to file a usefull bugreport, as soon as I find out how.
[01:47] <Dabian> OK .. I filed a bug report.  Thanks:
[01:48] <Dabian> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jde/+bug/115527
[01:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115527 in jde "Compile from menu fails if you don't use xemacs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[01:52] <Dabian> (I hope the bugreport is somewhat decent and helpfull)
[02:00] <Murmex> Hi?
[02:01] <Murmex> A few weeks ago I filled my first bug and I've just fixed it.
[02:02] <Murmex> So following the Bugs/HowToFix, I'm looking for a developer to review my patch
[02:03] <bryce> how do you attach image files to wiki.ubuntu.com?
[02:04] <Murmex> bug 110865
[02:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110865 in hal "GNOME mounter rejects needed mount option" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110865
[02:04] <bryce> nevermind, I figured it out
[04:00] <Hobbsee> hey all
[04:00] <ajmitch> hi
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch 
[04:59] <Hobbsee> wow, someone updated requestsync!
[06:07] <Hobbsee> cjwatson_: ping
[06:08] <Hobbsee> (not terribly time critical)
[06:08] <mjg59> Hobbsee: I'd hope not, it's 5AM here :p
[06:08] <Hobbsee> mjg59: 5am's a great time.  prior to today, i'd been getting up at 3am all week.
[06:08] <mjg59> Yes, but you're jetlagged
[06:09] <Hobbsee> this is true.  or was.
[06:09] <mjg59> Of course, I've been jetlagged for a month or so
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:09] <mjg59> Only two more months and I'll be back in PDT, so it's almost not worth fixing it
[06:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:10] <Hobbsee> where are you now?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> cjwatson_: okay, dont mind me, someone's used funky versioning
[06:11] <mjg59> Cambridge
[06:11] <mjg59> But I visited the US and haven't really got back on track
[06:11] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:30] <Hobbsee> tepsipakki: ping?
[06:40] <Hobbsee_> suspend works, hibernate dies
[06:40] <Hobbsee_> mjg59: well done!
[06:44] <mjg59> Hobbsee: Is that progress?
[06:44] <Hobbsee> mjg59: kinda.  i seem to recall that suspend was slightly buggered last time
[06:44] <mjg59> What hardware is this?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> mjg59: still, my hibernate dies every release, except for one, may have been dapper, but usually for a different reason
[06:45] <Hobbsee> dell 6400
[06:46] <Hobbsee> mjg59: (not sure which bit of hardware description you want)
[06:47] <Hobbsee> gutsy it appears to shutdown, instead of hibernating, when one tells it to hibernate - and dump loads of stuff on to the screen while it does about USB....go figure
[06:52] <Hobbsee> mjg59: 
[06:52] <Hobbsee> May 19 14:36:27 LongPointyStick kernel: [  141.460000]  BUG: at /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/include/linux/slub_def.h:89 kmalloc
[06:52] <Hobbsee> _index()
[06:52] <Hobbsee> worth reporting, or at least giving you a syslog?
[06:53] <tritium> Hobbsee: please make my overscan problems go away... :)
[06:54] <Hobbsee> tritium: good luck with htat.  i've done my upload count today...
[06:55] <tritium> Hobbsee: it's only on my mythtv box connected to my TV
[06:57] <tritium> Can't see the menu on top, or the panel on the bottom
[08:01] <Mithrandir> hi Hobbsee 
[08:02] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir!!!
[08:32] <tepsipakki> Hobbsee: pong!
[08:32] <Hobbsee> tepsipakki: that intel merge in universe that's listed as me - did you want to do it, as you've done most of the changes?
[08:33] <tepsipakki> I could
[08:33] <tepsipakki> hoped that there was a new patch release by upstream by now..
[08:34] <tepsipakki> kylem told me that we will still keep -i810
[08:35] <tepsipakki> but I'd like to know why it's considered too risky to dump ti
[08:35] <tepsipakki> it
[08:35] <Hobbsee> tepsipakki: right, OK.
[08:36] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: because it doesn't work on all hardware, iirc.
[08:37] <tepsipakki> it has some issues with i830 IIRC, yes
[08:38] <tepsipakki> ok, keep it for now but hopefully -intel is mature enough later in the cycle to dump -i810
[10:09] <anibal> lionel, ping
[10:11] <anibal> geser, ping
[10:29] <geser> anibal: pong
[10:44] <geser> Mithrandir: can you please look what happened to the vpnc upload to feisty-proposed which got accepted yesterday? it doesn't show up anywhere
[10:51] <lionel> anibal: pon
[10:51] <lionel> pong
[10:56] <anibal> geser, lionel: I'm synchronizing pidentd with ubuntu
[10:57] <anibal> geser, lionel: look at http://patches.ubuntu.com/p/pidentd/pidentd_3.0.19.ds1-1ubuntu1.patch
[10:57] <anibal> geser, lionel: why " | inet-superserver"?
[10:58] <lionel> "openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver" is what Debian use as a dependency for an inet-superver
[11:00] <lionel> anibal: not sure to understand well your question
[11:01] <anibal> inet-superserver is not a debian package
[11:02] <lionel> it is a virtual package for server whichs provides an inet server
[11:02] <lionel> $ apt-cache show openbsd-inetd | grep Provides
[11:02] <lionel> Provides: inet-superserver, netkit-inetd
[11:05] <anibal> I cannot find inet-superserver listed at http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-package-names-list.txt
[11:08] <lionel> there is an inetD-superver, but do not know more...
[11:08] <lionel> the only thing I know is that inet-superver is used...
[11:08] <anibal> geser, I suggest to drop " | inet-superserver" and reintroduce it later if we need it, what's your opinion about that?
[11:09] <anibal> lionel, what's your opinion about dropping " | inet-superserver"?
[11:10] <lionel> I'am clearly against
[11:10] <lionel> as all the inetd package I can find "Provides inet-superserver"
[11:15] <anibal> lionel, you're right, I did a test here to confirm what you said
[11:15] <anibal> lionel, geser: thanks
[11:15] <lionel> np, you're welcome
[12:55] <Kmos> you can do merges her e?
[12:55] <Kmos> her e?
[12:55] <Kmos> ...
[12:56] <Kmos> here..
[01:09] <Kmos> any core-dev here to review a merge ?
[01:09] <Kmos> and upload it
[01:13] <geser> Kmos: it's weekend so you will don't find many core-devs before monday here and as k3b is a KDE package you might also want to look in #kubuntu-devel
[01:16] <Kmos> :)
[01:16] <Kmos> geser: ok
[02:20] <minghua> freeflying: would you please have a look at bug 88179?
[02:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88179 in scim "[apport]  scim-launcher crashed with SIGSEGV in QTextCodec::fromUnicode()" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88179
[02:21] <minghua> freeflying: it's KDE related and has 20 duplicates now
[02:21] <minghua> freeflying: I have no idea what's wrong, so can you or other Kubuntu people give it some love?
[02:21] <freeflying> minghua: I've suffered  it before, but can't reproduce now
[02:23] <minghua> freeflying: can you ask other Kubuntu people?
[02:24] <freeflying> minghua: sure
[02:24] <minghua> freeflying: thanks
[02:24] <freeflying> minghua: welcome
[02:28] <pochu> Hobbsee: looks like -intel is broken due to the new xserver 1.3. Can you do your merge for it? :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> pochu: tepsipakki was looking into it, being the main changer
[02:28] <pochu> Hobbsee: ok, cool :)
[03:01] <freezone> i was reading an interview with Marc Shuttleworth in a linux magazine. he mentioned that IRC is the prefered communication method. do people like Marc Shuttleworth chat on Freenode?
[03:04] <minghua> freezone: yes, he is around sometimes, although not exactly "chatting", I think
[03:06] <freezone> lets say i feel like the chosen one who has 2-3 questions for Marc Shuttleworth, is there a way to contact him successfully?
[03:07] <minghua> freezone: I am not sure, but I think email is a better option
[03:07] <minghua> freezone: his first name is Mark by the way
[03:07] <freezone> oh
[03:13] <stgraber> freezone: btw, he's currently on this channel :)
[03:18] <stijn_pol> some help please: checking for X... no    You need to supply the path to the X headers and libraries...
[03:19] <stgraber> stijn_pol: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) (topic ^)
[03:19] <stijn_pol> woops
[03:19] <stijn_pol> sorry
[03:20] <stijn_pol> what is the right channel? ubuntu-motu?
[03:20] <freezone> stijn_pol, tip: you need the package "xorg-dev"
[03:20] <freezone> and support channel is #ubuntu i think
[03:21] <freezone> but that channel is so huge it could need a split into specialized channels
[03:22] <freezone> yeah
[03:23] <ssam> is Bug #109204 suitable for an SRU?
[03:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109204 in gnumeric "Gnumeric strange colors (purple charts) on bigendian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109204
[03:23] <gregshallard> hello
[03:25] <stijn_pol> should I really try in #ubuntu for questions about packaging, building deb's...?
[03:26] <ssam> stijn_pol, someone in #ubuntu-motu might be able to help
[03:27] <freezone> stijn_pol, no. you asked something about compiling. that is trivial support questions i think
[03:27] <stijn_pol> my fault, I should have mentioned I was trying around with pbuilder
[03:28] <freezone> yeah, but "how do i find a missing library" is quite basic knowledge 
[03:28] <stijn_pol> ok thanks
[03:28] <gregshallard> hey, 
[03:29] <gregshallard> Do you guys know what support is like for the Audigy 2 ZS Video Editor...?
[03:30] <ssam> gregshallard, this room is for developer discussion, try #ubuntu
[03:31] <gregshallard> How about developing drivers....
[03:31] <Chipzz> gregshallard: if there's an ongoing effort, yes
[03:31] <Chipzz> if you're asking to develop a driver, definite no
[03:31] <gregshallard> where would I be able to find out about it?
[03:32] <Chipzz> there most likely isn't
[03:32] <Chipzz> ubuntu developers mostly package and/or patch software
[03:32] <gregshallard> k
[03:32] <Chipzz> or write software specific to ubuntu
[03:32] <Chipzz> and software == desktop software mostly
[03:32] <gregshallard> Where would the best place to look for support?
[03:33] <freezone> the linux kernel mailing list might be a place to start
[03:33] <gregshallard> Ok then, thanks for that.
[03:33] <Chipzz> you might also try #ubuntu-kernel
[03:33] <gregshallard> Ill have a look.
[03:34] <gregshallard> Its fun having such specific hardware
[03:34] <Chipzz> but AFAIK (I may be mistaken though) my best guess is that the people there rather decide on which (existing) patches to include in the ubuntu packages, rather than write big patches themselves
[03:34] <Chipzz> you can also try the forums
[03:36] <gregshallard> thanks cya rounjd.
[03:36] <perlmonkey> hi guys
[03:36] <perlmonkey> why does Ubuntu seem to have so many security vunerabilities on it's packages?
[03:36] <Chipzz> it does?
[03:36] <freezone> perlmonkey, are you trying to cause a flame war?
[03:37] <perlmonkey> well the latest USN update on Ubuntu website shows over 400 vunerabilities 
[03:37] <perlmonkey> freezone: no just trying to get a feel for Ubuntu's security and stability as I'm thinking about installing it 
[03:38] <pochu> perlmonkey: aren't they fixed? ;)
[03:39] <freezone> perlmonkey, if you are somebody who looks at the security history of a software to decide if that software is secure or not, then you wont have much choices on what to install
[03:39] <Chipzz> perlmonkey: first, I'ld doubt these numbers reflect concurrent issues, if they're right at all. My guess would be that is the whole history. second, ubuntu has a vast amount of software
[03:39] <freezone> the important part is the number of open bugs that are classified as "high priority"
[03:40] <perlmonkey> so these vuneralities are inherient in the software and nothing to do with Ubuntu?
[03:40] <Chipzz> perlmonkey: I think "windows" has a whole lot more issues if you're counting them the same way
[03:40] <Chipzz> that is, including all software that was ever written for windows
[03:41] <perlmonkey> well I come from Debian background (been running it for 10 years nearly), I'm not a fan of Windows
[03:41] <freezone> that is leading in the wrong direction if you want to measure quality
[03:41] <freezone> perlmonkey, and in 10 years of using debian you did not learn how to measure quality?
[03:41] <Chipzz> perlmonkey: every single one of those issues has a 99.99% chance of having been an issue in debian too...
[03:42] <Fujitsu> Chipzz: Somewhat more than that, I'd say.
[03:42] <Chipzz> Fujitsu: well, there IS software ubuntu packages which debian doesn't ;)
[03:42] <perlmonkey> true
[03:42] <Fujitsu> Not that much.
[03:42] <freezone> perlmonkey, after 10 years of using debian i assume that you know how bugs are classified and how security related problems are dealt with?
[03:43] <Chipzz> Fujitsu: which is why 100% - 99.99% is only 0.01% ;;)
[03:44] <Chipzz> perlmonkey: also, the chances of you having all ubuntu packages installed that were ever affected by a security issue is nil
[03:44] <perlmonkey> it's good the vunerabilities are being dealt with by Ubuntu so quickly
[03:45] <minghua> Fujitsu: not possible.  There are ~500 vulnerabilities, it's either 100% or 99.8% :-)
[03:45] <perlmonkey> Debian is rather slow in that respect
[03:45] <Chipzz> minghua: I was just pulling numbers out of my **** to make a point ;)P
[03:45] <freezone> the point is not that a software package like bind has a long list of security related problems and that distributions that use such a package are to be blamed for that. quality assurance is a much more complex topic than looking at a few numbers.
[03:46] <freezone> and a person who uses open source software for a few years could know about that
[03:55] <ssam> perlmonkey, ubuntu has a no open ports by default (apart from dns dhcp and avahi)
[04:47] <BenC> Can someone process NEW linux-source-2.6.22-5 for me please?
[04:47] <BenC> have things in dep-wait for it (lum/lrm)
[04:53] <hile> Anyone heard about gutsy X server crashes after latest xserver-xorg upgrade? I get a Plain Old core dump with i810/intel drivers, just thought if this is known problems or should I report it
[04:54] <pochu> hile: xserver-xorg-video-intel from universe?
[04:54] <hile> might be
[04:55] <pochu> hile: yeah, it's broken, it needs I rebuild, I think
[04:55] <pochu> hile: tepsipakki is working on it :)
[04:55] <pochu> hile: we're going to sync/merge 2.0 from Debian
[04:55] <hile> ok, just rebuild, let's see after I get new pkg then. 
[04:56] <hile> tepsipakki, when you do the rebuild, inform me about the new pkg if you want a tester for it
[04:56] <hile> I thought so, no reason to make a bug for such issue, gutsy is devel version anyway :)
[04:58] <kylem> BenC, i can do it in  a bit
[04:58] <kylem> once i finish cooking bfast.
[04:58] <kylem> ;_)
[04:59] <BenC> kylem: I keep forgetting you passed the archive training course :)
[07:24] <Mithrandir> geser: I can't see any vpnc upload that got accepted
[07:25] <geser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vpnc/+bug/93413 last comment
[07:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 93413 in vpnc "vpnc dead peer detection disconnects immediately" [Medium,Needs info]  
[07:25] <geser> pitti accepted it
[07:29] <Mithrandir> geser: doesn't look like he actually accepted it
[07:29] <geser> that would explain it
[07:31] <Mithrandir> at least there's vpnc in the queue on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[07:32] <geser> so should I ask him on monday to proper accept it?
[07:33] <Mithrandir> yes, or get me to do it on monday.
[07:33] <geser> ok, thanks for looking
[07:33] <Mithrandir> it's saturday evening here now and I don't really feel like pulling out my work gear to fix it, sorry.
[07:33] <geser> np
[07:34] <geser> enjoy the rest of the weekend
[07:34] <Mithrandir> thanks. :-)
[10:40] <ondra_> hi
[10:42] <ondra_> I have a question - I created a package for debian and it is in debian unstable now. If I want to get it to ubuntu as well - is ubuntu syncing with debian unstable, or with debian testing?
[10:42] <lfittl> ondra_, unstable
[10:49] <ondra_> lfittl, thanks. do you know how often is it syncing? the package is python-sympy, it is in debian-unstable for about 4 days only, but I thougt that the sync is happening like once a day or so.
[10:51] <lfittl> ondra_, this one: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sympy ? :)
[10:52] <ondra_> yeah, like that. I am new to ubuntu, thanks. :)
[10:52] <lfittl> no problem :)
[11:01] <_StefanS_> hi there
[11:02] <_StefanS_> I stumbled upon the following line of code in network manager: "caps |= NM_802_11_CAP_KEY_MGMT_802_1X;", what does that |= mean ?
[11:02] <_StefanS_> never seen that before :)
[11:03] <lfittl> _StefanS_, I guess thats the same as "caps = caps | NM_802_11_CAP_KEY_MGMT_802_1X;"
[11:04] <_StefanS_> lfittl: so if the variable 'caps' is empty it takes that defined
[11:04] <_StefanS_> lfittl: NM_* 
[11:05] <_StefanS_> well that was a wierd sentence :D
[11:05] <_StefanS_> I mean, its like a ? : , right?
[11:05] <geser> that's a binary OR
[11:05] <lfittl> _StefanS_, exactly
[11:05] <_StefanS_> :) goody, thanks
[11:06] <_StefanS_> just had to ask :)
[11:06] <lfittl> _StefanS_, but its not like ? :, it is a simple binary OR, as geser said (but it does what you want, if caps is empty it takes the NM_ define)
[11:08] <_StefanS_> ok, I was trying to add support for LEAP in the knetworkmanager, and got kinda confused looking at that line since I need to mimic the key_mgmt like it is in the gnome applet
[11:09] <lfittl> _StefanS_, ah, nice work, good luck on that stuff :)
[11:10] <_StefanS_> lfittl: oh thanks :) - I managed to crash my knetworkmanager instance just now, but thats all part of the fun :)
[11:10] <_StefanS_> lfittl: I might bug you guys at a later time perhaps
[11:12] <lfittl> _StefanS_, feel free to do that, but I don't know the network manager code, and also have no main upload rights, sorry ;)
[11:13] <_StefanS_> thats ok, I think I will submit the stuff to upstream, and have it in before the import freeze anyways :)
[11:13] <lfittl> :)
[11:29] (etteyafed_/#ubuntu-devel) Any thoughts on upgrading to abiword 2.5.0 or 2.5.2 ahead of debian?
[11:30] (Hobbsee/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione!
[11:30] <fabbione> Hobbsee: !
[11:31] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:31] <Hobbsee> oh?
[11:32] <fabbione> Hobbsee: they managed to upgrade badly my adsl while i was away
[11:33] <Hobbsee> fabbione: fun....
[11:33] <fabbione> hence everything screwed up
[11:33] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[11:34] <EnolaGay> hi all
[11:34] <Treenaks> (if I my stuff breaks, I get to kick my colleagues, or myself)
[11:35] <EnolaGay> I have tried to retrace a xorg crash (sudo apport-retrace _usr_bin_Xorg.0.crash) but always got this error: "report file does not contain required fields: CoreDump Package ExecutablePath"
[11:36] <pochu> EnolaGay: a "cat _usr_bin_Xorg.0.crash" might help
[11:36] <EnolaGay> pochu: looks fine
[11:36] <pochu> at least it did for me with a listen crash
[11:37] <EnolaGay> pochu ExecutablePath: /usr/bin/Xorg
[11:37] <EnolaGay> is correct afaik
[11:38] <micahcowan> Does the kernel package not use a patching system?
[11:38] <micahcowan> If I wish to prepare a debdiff, do I just modify the source directly, alter the changelog, and go?
[11:38] <pochu> EnolaGay: then report a bug against apport in lp :) I'll confirm it ;)
[11:41] <EnolaGay> pochu: ok
[11:41] <EnolaGay> pochu: Is there another possibility to get a dump from this report?
[11:42] <EnolaGay> and btw. no apport gui tells me from the crash but this could be a general problem when xorg crashes
[11:45] <EnolaGay> maybe because the file is only accessible by root
[11:45] <EnolaGay> pochu: There is alread a bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/95396
[11:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95396 in apport "[feisty]  Apport-retrace can not retrace a local crash report." [Undecided,Fix released]  
[11:46] <pochu> EnolaGay: fix released?
[11:46] <EnolaGay> I know, but not for me :)
[11:46] <EnolaGay> So I should create a new one?
[11:46] <pochu> EnolaGay: or use -R, as the report says
[11:47] <EnolaGay> ok
[11:47] <EnolaGay> seem to work but wasn't mention in manpage
[11:47] <pochu> EnolaGay: file a bug :p
[11:48] <EnolaGay> Great, I have to restart since I am using a different xorg driver
[11:48] <EnolaGay> pochu: Thanks for your help.
[11:48] <EnolaGay> cu
[12:03] <EnolaGay> pochu: Now apport-retrace crashes :)
[12:04] <EnolaGay> After downloading the files. It seems not to be able to install them. Don't know.
[12:04] <EnolaGay> It looks like I need another PC to use gdb to create a core dump.
[12:07] <EnolaGay> pochu: http://pastebin.ca/497513 the apport-retrace crash report if you are interested
[12:13] <pochu> EnolaGay: report the Traceback to launchpad :)