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[02:55] <callidusfox> Any admins here?
[02:56] <callidusfox> How can I completely delete my account from launchpad? 
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[03:01] <LaserJock> callidusfox: you need to make a request
[03:01] <callidusfox> LaserJock: where ?
[03:01] <LaserJock> I *think* you can open up a ticket on launchpad
[03:02] <LaserJock> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/
[03:04] <callidusfox> LaserJock: thanks.
[03:28] <Fujitsu> Bug gbcw
[03:28] <Fujitsu> bug #gbcw
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[06:41] <pr3d4t0r> Greetings.
[06:42] <pr3d4t0r> Q. I've been setting up a project in launchpad.com all day but haven't figured out how to tell it to use Subversion for handlling the code branches.
[06:44] <pr3d4t0r> Can you please advise about where in launchpad.net (yeah, not .com) can I set SVN as the branch manager?  Thanks in advance.
[06:45] <_thumper_> pr3d4t0r: no you can't
[06:45] <_thumper_> pr3d4t0r: launchpad works with bzr branches
[06:45] <_thumper_> pr3d4t0r: if you really like, you can import your svn trunk into a bzr branch
[06:45] <_thumper_> but it will be made available as a bzr branch
[06:51] <pr3d4t0r> _thumper_: Ah, excellent.
[06:51] <pr3d4t0r> _thumper_: Thanks for the heads up.
[06:51] <_thumper_> pr3d4t0r: try bzr, I think you'll like it
[06:51] <pr3d4t0r> _thumper_: I had not bothered to explore that in detail; another member of the project commented on that and I assumed that there was a SVN vs. Bazaar switch that I had overlooked.
[06:52] <pr3d4t0r> _thumper_: Will do :)
[06:52] <_thumper_> pr3d4t0r: btw, if you think of improvements in the code hosting, ping thumper, jml, ddaa or mwh
[06:52] <pr3d4t0r> _thumper_: Right now I'm drooling about the Optimus Maximus keyboard and debating whether I'll stay up until 0300 PST to pre-order.
[06:53] <pr3d4t0r> _thumper_: I will, thanks.
[06:53] <_thumper_> pr3d4t0r: there are tools like svn2bzr
[06:53] <pr3d4t0r> _thumper_: We are ditching SourceForge and Google Code.
[06:53] <_thumper_> the is also some bzr subversion plugin
[06:53] <_thumper_> but I don't know much about that
[06:53] <_thumper_> apart from its existance
[06:54] <pr3d4t0r> _thumper_: So we have a bit of a learning curve.  We won't need svn2bzr.  The code right now lives only in our respective file systems because we hadn't decided on hosting (SourceForge CVS, Google Code SVN).
[06:54] <pr3d4t0r> _thumper_: That shan't be an issue :)
[06:54] <_thumper_> pr3d4t0r: bzr init; bzr add; bzr commit
[06:55] <_thumper_> pr3d4t0r: I can say that there are some pretty exciting things coming for code on launchpad
[06:55] <pr3d4t0r> _thumper_: Yup.
[06:55] <pr3d4t0r> _thumper_: We felt it reflected our goals better.
[06:55] <_thumper_> excellent
[06:55] <pr3d4t0r> _thumper_: For Linux systems, all the team members prefer Ubuntu.
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[06:56] <Fujitsu> thumper: What new stuff is coming? Or are you not at liberty to say?
[06:56] <thumper> pr3d4t0r: I am normally on as thumper
[06:56] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: We collectively agreed that we dug launchpad.net right from the start.
[06:56] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: Ah :)
[06:56] <thumper> Fujitsu: firstly the smart server for bzr will run on the hosting site
[06:56] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: I'm normally on as... pr3d4t0r.  Though you may occasionally see me switch to xi5hnik or NikkiWade (other channel's leakage).
[06:57] <thumper> Fujitsu: I'm not entirely sure of how much liberty I have with talking about it
[06:57] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: Do you work for Canonical?
[06:57] <thumper> Fujitsu: but nice things rolling out soonish
[06:57] <thumper> pr3d4t0r: yes
[06:57] <Fujitsu> That's what I thought.
[06:57] <thumper> pr3d4t0r: on launchpad code hosting
[06:57] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: Sweet.
[06:58] <Fujitsu> I love closed development :(
[06:58] <thumper> Fujitsu: give it time...
[06:59] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: I spoke to several Canonical guys last year.  Ubuntu was our preferred environment for a big project I was involved in.  The company later decided that we were in only for the reference implementation and I eventually went to a new gig... but we're using Ubuntu already at the new place.  If we take our new stuff to production, we'll engage Canonical again :)
[06:59] <Fujitsu> thumper: I know, I know...
[07:00] <pr3d4t0r> Hrm...
[07:00] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: How do you associate a dev team with a project?  We've got awkedev (team) and awke project and they seem to live in two different universes.  Does the binding occur during the initial bzr set up?
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[07:01] <thumper> pr3d4t0r: you set the team as the maintainers of the project
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Well, you'll probably want to set that team as the driver of the project.
[07:01] <thumper> driver or maintainer
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Or maintainer, or whatever term LP uses today.
[07:01] <pr3d4t0r> HeH.
[07:01] <thumper> Fujitsu: they are two distinct team references
[07:01] <pr3d4t0r> Fujitsu: Gotcha.
[07:02] <thumper> your driver may be different from the maintainers
[07:02] <Fujitsu> thumper: What's the difference?
[07:02] <thumper> maintainers work on the code / project
[07:02] <thumper> drivers determine direction
[07:02] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[07:02] <thumper> drivers have access to do things like allocate blueprints to milestones
[07:02] <thumper> and stuff
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[07:03] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: Done!
[07:03] <pr3d4t0r> _thumper_away_: Thanks -- bon appetit.
[07:04] <pr3d4t0r> Hrm...
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=== pr3d4t0r wonders what launchpad.net is written in.  It has a distinct ActiveRecor aroma.
[07:04] <pr3d4t0r> Er, ActiveRecord.
[07:05] <ajmitch> python, using zope3
[07:19] <pr3d4t0r> ajmitch: Ah!  Nice.
[07:20] <pr3d4t0r> ajmitch: I haven't used Zope since 2003 or so.
[07:20] <pr3d4t0r> ajmitch: Nice to know it's still around.
[07:21] <pr3d4t0r> Have a good night, gang.  The help was much appreciated.
[07:21] <pr3d4t0r> Z z .
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[08:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood evening Launchpadders!
[08:02] <Fujitsu> Hi mpt.
[08:02] <Hobbsee> hi mpt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[08:03] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: To what?
[08:03] <mpt> Hobbsee, you seem excited today
[08:03] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: the whole "full name" discussion
[08:03] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[08:04] <LaserJock> I was thinking of that too
[08:04] <Hobbsee> mpt: hmmm.  i've had 2 people attempting to run me off the road, a boss who cant understand the concept of "not available", and people seeming to be slightly bitter/confused over my core dev nomination.
[08:04] <LaserJock> but decided to shut my mouth
[08:04] <mpt> core dev nomination?
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[08:05] <Hobbsee> mpt: i talk on irc :P
[08:05] <LaserJock> s/bitter//
[08:05] <mpt> oh, ok
[08:05] <LaserJock> mpt: Hobbsee's the KDE goddess ;-)
[08:05] <Hobbsee> mpt: i'm one of those strange kubuntu & motu type people, and some of the ops stuff
[08:05] <Hobbsee> mpt: and i wield with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
[08:06] <mpt> KDE? Oh, so we are sworn enemies
[08:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:06] <mpt> </kidding>
[08:06] <Hobbsee> sure sure
[08:06] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee is a very strange hybrid creature.
[08:06] <mpt> If KDE4 bludgeons the Gnome project hard enough to result in a Gnome 3, it will be a good thing :->
[08:07] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i'm really wondering, if i reply, will i just make the whole issue better or worse.
[08:08] <LaserJock> as long as you don't let Fujitsu in there ;-)
[08:08] <LaserJock> I think you're voice is valuable on the subject
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[08:08] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: seeing as i'd effectively be saying "by using your real name, you're acknowledging that you will likely be harassed, and hit on, and everything else, and that I dont think we should force people to accept that, just to use launchpad"
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[08:09] <Hobbsee> and whether that will bring me harassment, i'm not sure
[08:09] <LaserJock> I just read something today that women get 25 more sexual harassment email then men
[08:09] <crimsun> (Oh, I thought you were talking about core-dev.)
[08:09] <mpt> Only 25?
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[08:09] <LaserJock> s/25/24 times/
[08:09] <LaserJock> bah
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[08:10] <Hobbsee> cant say i've had much *email*
[08:10] <mpt> oh, e-mail
[08:10] <Hobbsee> certainly too many irc queries though, just sittign in #ubuntu
[08:10] <LaserJock> well, it's just frustrating to me because I like knowing the people I'm talking to
[08:10] <Hobbsee> oh i can see the logic in that
[08:10] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Same.
[08:10] <mpt> yeah, proportional to the ease and the anonymity
[08:10] <Hobbsee> and i think that's the main reason that people eventually *do* show their real names
[08:11] <Fujitsu> But I can see where the others are coming from too.
[08:11] <Hobbsee> but launchpad has absolutely no right to force people to do that by default.
[08:11] <LaserJock> I mean, it's not done in the real world, "Hi boss, my name is LaserJock "
[08:11] <Hobbsee> of course it isnt.  but in the real world, there's also a lot more stuff against sexual harassment
[08:12] <LaserJock> which I think we could use
[08:12] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: It wasn't more than a few months ago that you changed your LP real name to your real name, was it?
[08:12] <Hobbsee> whereas in something like ubuntu, there isnt.  you either deal, or leave the project.
[08:12] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: hmmm...was early this year, or late last year.  not sure which
[08:12] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Or you get the person who is doing the harassment disposed of.
[08:12] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: how, though?  you cant, really - there are too many ways of contact
[08:12] <Hobbsee> short of going and smashing them or something
[08:13] <LaserJock> in this case, LP account removal might help
[08:13] <Hobbsee> i mean, irc you can get them klined.  which i've done, before.  but it doesnt permanently fix the problem
[08:13] <Hobbsee> they've already got your info, etc.
[08:13] <LaserJock> *sigh* true
[08:14] <LaserJock> it's just completely idiotic that people treat each other that way online
[08:14] <Hobbsee> well, the majority dont
[08:14] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: s/online/at all/
[08:14] <LaserJock> I mean, sometimes things are done unintentionally
[08:14] <mpt> Idiotic, perhaps, but also entirely predictable
[08:14] <Hobbsee> but it's not a perfect world, shit happens, and you have to manage as best as possible
[08:14] <LaserJock> but there too much maliciousness out there
[08:14] <mpt> The Internet has had this problem for quarter of a century now
[08:15] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: the unintentional ones are easy to spot, and ignore
[08:22] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: the only reason i started using my name on LP and such was that i knew that people wanted to sponsor me to UDS at some point...
[08:22] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: so my real name would come out
[08:22] <Fujitsu> Ah.
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[08:26] <lsproc> I made a typo in my e-mail when registering a team, can I just edit the contact address?
[08:27] <LaserJock> I think so
[08:27] <Hobbsee> lsproc: you should be able to, hit manage addresses, put in the new one, and validate that address
[08:27] <lsproc> Any of these addresses need to be confirmed before you can use it as the contact address of this team.
[08:27] <lsproc> i dont have access to the other address though
[08:28] <Hobbsee> do you need it, to put in a new address?
[08:28] <lsproc> hang on
[08:28] <lsproc> if i registered the team, do i need to put my e-mail?
[08:29] <Hobbsee> you need to put in an email address, which LP will check if it's valid
[08:29] <lsproc> The email address you're trying to add is already registered in Launchpad for lsproc.
[08:29] <Hobbsee> yes - you need a different one
[08:29] <lsproc> ah
[08:29] <Hobbsee> actually, teams dont even require an email
[08:29] <Hobbsee> (all mail will just be sent out to all the people on the team)
[08:29] <lsproc> ok
[08:29] <lsproc> thanks :)
[08:29] <Hobbsee> but you should still be able to hit manage addresses, and change it from there
[08:30] <lsproc> i could delete the old one fine
[08:31] <mpt> hmm, Launchpad frequently crashes Safari
[08:31] <mpt> I wonder if we can tweak it to frequently crash IE too
[08:31] <lsproc> hehe
[08:31] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:32] <lsproc> mpt, i know a bug in the way IE renders pictures, that if you put a 1x1 picture in but stretched to 30,000x30,000 or so, it BSODS the pc in IE
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[09:45] <adedov> hi! Is there tools to branch an existing branch at launchpad via web UI?
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[09:53] <mwh> ...
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #115735 in soyuz "On distribution source package release page, only "Overview" is available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115735
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #115738 in soyuz "On distribution release binary package page, only "Overview" is available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115738
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[11:20] <ubuntu> hi
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[11:22] <proppy> is there a way to retrieve *from a program* all the user of a given group on launchpad ?
[11:22] <proppy> (without parsing raw html)
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[11:58] <Fujitsu> proppy: You can use launchpad.net/~team/+rdf
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[12:09] <proppy> Fujitsu: thx :)
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[01:42] <pochu> either doko has too many packages, or launchpad has a problem :)
[01:42] <pochu> Can anyone access https://launchpad.net/~doko/+packages ? It timeouts here
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[01:44] <Fujitsu> pochu: It sometimes gets like that, but other times it's OK
[01:44] <Hobbsee> pochu: lp dies on my package list too
[01:44] <ajmitch> doko has touched a *lot* of packages by doing mass rebuilds, python changes, etc
[01:44] <Hobbsee> sometimes
[01:44] <Fujitsu> doko has the most uploads by a long, long way.
[01:44] <pochu> Hobbsee: your page takes a while, but loads fine
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[01:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:45] <pochu> I have very few uploads :|
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[01:46] <pochu> looks like Bug #90823 (reported by doko himself) :)
[01:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90823 in launchpad "personal packages page not reachable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90823
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[02:01] <Hobbsee> hmm.  no dice.  or not many, anyway
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[05:33] <keir> so there's no facility for patch tracking in launchpad at the moment?
[05:35] <pochu> keir: what do you mean?
[05:35] <keir> pochu, my eventual goal is to get blender to switch away from gforge + svn to launchpad
[05:35] <keir> i'm identifying blockers
[05:35] <keir> patch tracking is something like bundle buggy
[05:36] <keir> sadly, no matter what i bet a switch won't happen for at least a year
[05:36] <keir> because they just invested tons of time into a new svn migration
[05:37] <pochu> is it a VCS?
[05:37] <keir> gforge is trac-like
[05:37] <keir> actually, it's closer to svn
[05:37] <keir> gah, rather, gforge ~= launchpad
[05:37] <pochu> well, launchpad has bazaar integration
[05:37] <keir> yes
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[05:37] <Spads> gforge is the open source sourceforge suite
[05:37] <Spads> it uses svn or cvs as the VCS
[05:38] <Spads> to my last inspection
[05:48] <keir> yup
[05:48] <keir> anyway, bzr integration alone is not sufficient for patch tracking
[05:48] <keir> launchpad has a spot which lists branches -- ok
[05:49] <keir> but if someone registers a new branch, then approaches time for merge, it doesn't look like launchpad supports the kind of back-and-forth the blender devs use in gforge
[05:49] <radix> keir: what kind is that?
[05:50] <keir> you open a new patch
[05:50] <keir> post it as an attachment along with a big description
[05:50] <keir> then kaito or other devs check it out and try it
[05:50] <keir> maybe further changes are needed
[05:50] <keir> comments are posted to the patch item
[05:50] <keir> dev updates patch, reuploads
[05:50] <keir> repeat
[05:51] <keir> i imagine this could be done with bundles for people who can't host a branch on bzr
[05:52] <keir> https://projects.blender.org/tracker/?atid=127&group_id=9&func=browse
[05:52] <keir> as you can see, there are tons of patches outstanding for blender
[05:52] <keir> a way of supporting this is *required* before any sort of launchpad switch could be considered
[05:54] <pochu> keir: you could do that in the bug tracker, attaching them as "patches"
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[06:01] <keir> I think 'bugs' is a misnomer-- why track features as bugs?
[06:01] <keir> seems odd
[06:01] <keir> then it should be an issue tracker
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[06:11] <radix> keir: well, the only issue is naming, then
[06:11] <radix> keir: because the bug tracker supports exactly that workflow
[06:14] <keir> ok, neat
[06:15] <keir> and tags make it easy to sort
[06:15] <keir> is anyone working on ML integration?
[06:17] <radix> keir: how do you mean? there is an email interface to the bug tracker
[06:18] <keir> mainly, i want something like trac's timeline that also catches mailing list traffic
[06:18] <keir> trac's timeline is AWESOME
[06:19] <keir> on all the projects i use, it is *the* way i keep up to date with what's happening
[06:19] <keir> launchpad doesn't really have much of a substitute
[06:19] <keir> for trac, i wrote a mailing list plugin which would add mailing list messages to the stream of timeline events
[06:19] <keir> for dr project
[06:20] <pochu> keir: there's mailing support planning
[06:20] <pochu> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/team-mailing-lists
[06:21] <keir> ah, i see
[06:21] <keir> neat
[06:21] <keir> one other thing which was a 100% dealbreaker for blender: dependence on a 3rd party for backups
[06:22] <keir> i.e. what if launchpad's backup dies, and like those people who lost their gmail mail, *poof*!
[06:22] <keir> so there would have to be a way for blender.org to privately backup all blender-related data from launchpad to a different location
[06:24] <keir> for my project, libmv, i don't mind relying on launchpad
[06:24] <keir> but blender.org is quite paranoid about backups (understandably)
[06:24] <keir> ... and since launchpad is not yet OSS, i'm not sure how this would work.
[06:24] <mwh> well, once you've done bzr branch lp:blender blender-src you have a complete back up of that branch
[06:24] <keir> mwh, it's not just the code that's the issue
[06:25] <keir> it's all the bugs and whatnot
[06:25] <mwh> and i think you can get bug data with xmlrpc
[06:25] <keir> can you get enough data that you can 100% restore if launchpad were to nuke it's database?
[06:25] <keir> s/it's/its/
[06:26] <mwh> that's very certainly the idea
[06:27] <keir> including blueprints, translations, answers, project metadata, everything?
[06:27] <keir> registered branches?
[06:27] <mwh> yes
[06:27] <keir> cool
[06:27] <mwh> for exactly the reasons you give
[06:27] <keir> where is this backup-launchpad script?
[06:27] <mwh> i don't know if the current implementation reaches this goal, however...
[06:28] <keir> but this is at least planned?
[06:28] <pochu> keir: I think it's planned
[06:28] <pochu> keir: yes. I also think you can ask an admin to backup the data, but I'm not sure. You may want to ask tomorrow (when the devs are more active ;))
[06:29] <keir> pochu, no, that won't do; it'd have to be a cron job running on blender.org which backs up the entire project every day
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[06:57] <keir> i am writing up blockers for blender now
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[07:20] <radix> you can't yet get all your data out, but I think I've heard rumblings that it's planned
[07:20] <radix> the fact that we can't do complete data backups is also a blocker for Twisted
[07:21] <radix> but a minor one compared to "it's not open source"
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[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #115851 in rosetta "can't choose export format" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115851
[09:17] <pr3d4t0r> Greetings again.
[09:18] <pr3d4t0r> Q. We have a site (http://www.awke.org) and a project + dev team defined in launchpad.net - can you please provide a good example of how other teams integrate their project sites with launchpad.net or viceversa?
[09:18] <pr3d4t0r> We're looking for visual harmony and ease of use.
[09:19] <pr3d4t0r> Also, we aren't sure if there is a badgeware image somewhere like the ones that SourceForge uses that we could include in our project's page.  Thanks in advance.
[09:21] <pr3d4t0r> OKi... lunchtime.  See you guys later.
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[09:55] <beuno> pr3d4t0r: that will probably be best answered in the launchpad mailing list, where you can get a responde from the most knowledgable users, not just the ones present in IRC at the time   :D
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[12:01] <pr3d4t0r> :: yawn ::
[12:01] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: Ping...
[12:01] <thumper> pr3d4t0r: Pong
[12:01] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: I'm looking for a good example of an external project site merged with launchpad.net.
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[12:01] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: We have http://www.awke.org going, we'd like to use launchpad for the things that make sense, etc.
[12:01] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: If you can think of an example where the blending is done in an elegant way please let me know.
[12:01] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: All the awke committers are studying Bazaar now and we figured integration with launchpad.net is the next step.
[12:01] <thumper> On the project home page there is a place to put an external web reference
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[12:01] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: Also, as a related question:  is there a GIF "badge" and link that we could use on the awke.org pages to link back to launchpad.net?
[12:01] <pr3d4t0r> Uh, oh...
[12:01] <thumper> pr3d4t0r: There is the png branding that you can find on the https://launchpad.net/launchpad page
[12:01] <pr3d4t0r> _thumper_: Let me know if you missed the three-part question I asked.
[12:01] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: Cool.
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[12:01] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: I guess you meant the rocket ship.
[12:01] <thumper> yeah
[12:01] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: I was looking for a button-like thingy.
[12:01] <keir> thumper, ping!
[12:01] <thumper> pr3d4t0r: I don't know of any, best to ask mpt
[12:01] <thumper> keir: hi, you were asking about patch stuff before
[12:01] <keir> thumper, yes
[12:01] <thumper> keir: we have work planned that sort of matches what you were asking about
[12:01] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: OKi.
[12:01] <pr3d4t0r> thumper: I'll ask on the mailing lists as well.
[12:01] <thumper> keir: to look at what is planeed, you can see the overview on the blueprints part for the launchpad-bazaar project
[12:01] <thumper> keir: the details of some (most) of the work is on the canonical wiki which is protected
[12:01] <thumper> but the overview should give some ideas
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[12:01] <keir> i see
[12:01] <keir> why is the launchpad wiki private?
[12:01] <keir> i can understand read-only
[12:01] <keir> but private?
[12:01] <Hobbsee> because the canonical one is too?
[12:01] <thumper> there is a help.launchpad.net which is the lp wiki
[12:01] <thumper> the canonical one is private
[12:01] <Hogi[de|en] > hi. could any admin delete my account "Hogi", please?
[12:01] <thumper> there are historical reasons (hysterical raisins)
[12:01] <thumper> keir: there are too many wiki's
[12:01] <thumper> some planned work is to have the blueprint page be more wiki like, so you don't need external references
[12:01] <keir> thumper, yes please!
[12:01] <radix> +1
[12:01] <thumper> part of the reason that there are private wiki pages, is due to there not being private blueprints
[12:01] <keir> thumper, for lightweight projects adding trac-style wiki capability to a project would be great
[12:02] <thumper> keir: I've heard mumblings that a wiki is something that is being considered to help projects start
[12:02] <thumper> the idea that lp can be a one stop shop for projects
[12:02] <keir> how many devs does launchpad have?
[12:02] <thumper> keir: around 25
[12:02] <thumper> ish
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[12:03] <keir> thumper, exactly. without trac-style wiki, then it won't fly
[12:03] <keir> well, it probably will but wikis would help :)
[12:03] <keir> wow, 25 devs!
[12:04] <thumper> keir: there is much planned :)
[12:04] <thumper> and you thought it was good now...
[12:04] <keir> :)
[12:04] <keir> am i reading this blueprint right? buildbot test result reporting is coming 
[12:04] <thumper> keir: which one?
[12:05] <keir> importd-oops-basic
[12:05] <thumper> the code import service is currently using buildbot
[12:05] <thumper> oops is the launchpad error reporting infrastructure
[12:05] <thumper> so, no, not quite
[12:07] <keir> are you going to add an online branch/patch review tool?
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[12:07] <thumper> keir: there is a blueprint called review-roadmap :)
[12:08] <keir> aaah, missed that one
[12:08] <thumper> launchpad is moving to a time boxed release cycle
[12:08] <thumper> so bugs and blueprints should get associated with launchpad milestones
[12:08] <keir> gnome- and ubuntu- style?
[12:09] <thumper> keir: four to six week cycles I think
[12:09] <thumper> more bzr style
[12:09] <keir> neat
[12:09] <keir> easier to do with server side stuff
[12:09] <thumper> this should make it more clear to interested parties to see what's coming
[12:09] <keir> what's coming up next release cycle?
[12:09] <thumper> launchpad 1.1
[12:10] <keir> cool
[12:10] <keir> i have one question. is the url format baked in forever?
[12:10] <keir> the bugs/code/whatever.launchpad.net/project drives me nuts
[12:10] <keir> why not project.launchpad.net/bugs/whatever?
[12:11] <keir> then i can use the handy 'up' button to navigate back to project toplevel
[12:11] <keir> furthermore, when i'm already on bluprints, and i click the project name in the top bar, it takes me back to where i already am rather than project toplevel
[12:11] <keir> for example, on blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar, click the 'Launchpad Bazaar Integration' link at the top
[12:11] <keir> it takes you right back
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[12:12] <keir> rather than going to launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar as i expect it to
[12:12] <thumper> keir: yeah, well... log a bug?
[12:12] <keir> somehow i've managed to click it about 6 times already and i'm consciously aware that it doesn't go where I expect!
[12:12] <thumper> I tend to click on the tabs more
[12:12] <keir> alrigh
[12:12] <tokj> aloha
[12:16] <keir> #82232
[12:16] <thumper> bug 82232
[12:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 82232 in launchpad "Location bar links should go to Overview of that item" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82232
[12:16] <thumper> keir: comment on that one
[12:17] <keir> i already did
[12:17] <thumper> keir: cool