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SlvrEagle23Hey there guys...sorry if I'm late or early, I'm just awful at this UTC conversion thing...06:03
boredandblogginglate/early for what?06:06
SlvrEagle23the DIY website regrouping meeting06:08
boredandbloggingahh, ok06:09
SlvrEagle23oh wow I'm quite late06:16
SlvrEagle23apparently it's about 1800 UTC...well that conversion site screwed way up06:16
SlvrEagle23oh no, scratch that, I'm on time :D06:17
boredandbloggingyou might want to use http://www.timeanddate.com06:18
SlvrEagle23yeah, I just misread 16:00 as 6:00pm, then realized it06:18
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boredandblogginghi beuno06:54
beunohey boredandblogging06:54
beunohow are you?06:54
boredandbloggingbeuno: not too bad you?06:56
boredandbloggingthink the UWN is close to done, unless we find some stuff for launchpad news and new in gutsy sections06:57
beunoI've just woke up for the DIY meeting, so I'm still a bit slow  :D06:57
beunoyes, the UWN looks great this week06:58
beunovery nice work with the CC approvals06:58
dergringo:) hi all06:58
beunohey dergringo06:58
boredandbloggingi'm going to move the newly approved LoCos to the LoCo section to fill it up06:58
meatballhatdergringo, beuno:  howdy :)06:58
meatballhatjenda: ping!06:59
beunoboredandblogging: good idea, after this meeting I'll give the UWN some love and get it released!06:59
beunomornin' meatballhat06:59
SlvrEagle23woohoo, finally people...I waited here for an hour because I'm terrible at DST!06:59
meatballhatbeuno: why hello, mr. sick :(06:59
dergringoYou can just change you ubuntu clock to UTC ;)06:59
SlvrEagle23well I, um...yeah :(07:00
beunomeatballhat: haven't left home in 4 days, I feel a bit better now  :D07:01
beunoSlvrEagle23: foxclocks extension for firefox, check it out07:01
SlvrEagle23hmm07:01
meatballhatbeuno: ugh ... you poor dude  :-/07:01
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beunomeatballhat: I had it coming, should of taken care of myself a bit more   :p   07:02
SlvrEagle23ooh that's quite handy, thanks beuno07:02
meatballhat<!--        NOMINALLY BEGIN DIY MARKETING MEETING      -->07:02
meatballhat:D   okay, so for everyone who's here to talk about the DIY Marketing project ...07:02
meatballhatlet's wait just a few minutes ...  ;-)07:03
beunolol07:04
boredandbloggingi'll sit in07:05
meatballhatWiki page-->  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite07:06
meatballhatLaunchpad page --> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-diy-marketing07:06
meatballhatWant to Help? -->  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-diy-team/07:06
meatballhat</end flood>07:06
boredandbloggingi can help out with some non-coding stuff07:10
boredandblogginglike under the open section in the wiki07:11
beunoboredandblogging: that would be great, those two I think are the most abandoned ones07:11
meatballhatokie doke, so ....   who's here for the DIY Marketing meeting?07:12
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SlvrEagle23er07:12
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meatballhathehe07:13
dergringome returns true;07:13
meatballhatalright, so it's been awhile since we last really talked things through07:13
n2diyhere07:13
meatballhatjenda has been the guiding voice through most of the DIY marketing project's history07:14
meatballhatbeuno and I hopped on board last fall...07:14
meatballhatand now all three of us are *mostly* occupied with other things07:15
meatballhatand there's new blood that wants to pitch in  :)07:15
meatballhatso some talking is in order07:15
meatballhatI'm personally of the opinion that some fairly radical changes are needed ... about which I've spoken with jenda07:16
meatballhatto sum it up:07:17
meatballhatWe will do all PHP/MySQL on top of Wordpress07:17
boredandbloggingoooh, wordpress, sexy07:18
dergringohmm07:18
meatballhatWe will create a unique DIY Marketing brand that is not dependent on ubuntu07:18
boredandbloggingsorry :-)07:18
meatballhat(explanation, argumentation to follow)07:18
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SlvrEagle23Why not Drupal? This isn't a blog... :P07:19
dergringoWhy wordpress?07:19
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: that's the #1 question.  Primary reasons:07:20
beunoI think Drupal is much harder to administrate then Wordpress, keep in mind people rotate constantly here07:20
meatballhat1. Drupal is already getting a lot of attention from the ubuntu community07:20
meatballhat2. Wordpress is slim07:20
meatballhat3. (beuno's reason)07:21
SlvrEagle23Aw come on, Drupal's aggressive caching can withstand a huge degree of Digg-effect traffic, and Wordpress is notorious for snapping in half under that kind of weight07:21
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: keep talkin'  :)07:21
meatballhatif we need to go Drupal, that's fine07:21
dergringowordpress isn't well known for offering an easy administration. Think about all the security issues07:22
SlvrEagle23I believe the phrase on Digg is "!#@$ Wordpress"07:22
boredandbloggingi don't think WP is bad if you enable caching, but drupal is fine too07:22
bordy_awaywordpress admin isnt all that difficult though07:22
meatballhatbordy!!07:22
bordy_awayjust for a second07:22
bordy_awaylunch time, then back to work ;)07:22
meatballhat:)07:22
bordy_awayin fact, if my dad catches me in here while he is out doing yardwork at MY house, he may kill me07:23
meatballhatbordy_away:  RUN!07:23
meatballhatokay, so there's opinions for both WP and Drupal ....07:23
bordy_awaylol. Anyway, back to work... I will just cast my vote for WP since I am already good with it, but am always down to learn something new anyway07:23
meatballhatI suppose what really matters is who is willing to do the programming, tweaking07:23
bordy_awayadios07:23
beunowell, WP with cache handles diggs just fine, but o the other hand, the "official" Ubuntu theme is made for drupal, so that would be just drag n drop07:24
SlvrEagle23well I've been screwing with Drupal's backend for a year or so :D07:24
SlvrEagle23used it to launch several departmental intranet/extranet sites07:24
meatballhatbeuno: theme is another issue ;-)  we'll get to that07:24
beunoI don't like Drupal and I still get dizzy around it, so, not me   :D07:24
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: can you devote a decent amount of energy to this project07:24
dergringoI think drupal is much better because DIY isn't just a blog is it?07:24
meatballhat?07:24
SlvrEagle23yeah, this is my "philanthropic thing"07:24
SlvrEagle23(a.k.a. my afternoon project)07:24
meatballhatdergringo: correct  ... not a blog07:24
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: excellent07:25
meatballhatokay .... so for the PHP slingers who are present ...  is Drupal the CMS of choice?07:26
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SlvrEagle23Linux User magazine gave it the highest rating of all evaluated CMSes :D07:26
dergringoif we use wordpress there will be a lot of hacking work to change the whole stuff to something that it hasn't been tought for07:26
=== meatballhat +1 for a vote
=== meatballhat votes None
SlvrEagle23if None means Django, no :P07:27
=== dergringo votes dupral
meatballhatSlvrEagle23:   ;-)07:28
boredandbloggingwho is responsible for doing the backend?07:28
meatballhatboredandblogging: looks like it's going to be SlvrEagle23 and dergringo (and those who couldn't make it)07:28
boredandbloggingin that case if they like drupal07:29
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SlvrEagle23oh07:30
SlvrEagle23$vote++;07:30
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: what's yer launchpad username?  I'll add you to the team07:30
SlvrEagle23...my what?07:31
SlvrEagle23Launchpad?07:31
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meatballhatSlvrEagle23: are you registered on Launchpad?07:31
SlvrEagle23well no07:31
troy_smeatballhat: Thanks for the headsup07:31
meatballhat:D07:31
meatballhattroy_s: sarcasm taken07:31
SlvrEagle23but I'll go do that right now07:31
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: excellent07:31
SlvrEagle23is this a free CVS-style repo thing?07:31
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: it's a lot huuuuger than that07:32
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: er .... it's about a lot more than just repo'ing07:32
beunomeatballhat: I think we should separate the repo so it isn't that big...    a repo JUST for DIY....07:32
meatballhatbeuno: done  :)07:32
meatballhathttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu-diy-marketing    <-- look under 'Code'07:33
beunomeatballhat: you rock   :D07:33
meatballhatBazaar is our friend07:33
beunoyes he is...07:33
SlvrEagle23Bazaar...hrm07:34
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meatballhatokie doke, so I'll touch base with SlvrEagle23 and dergringo about access to our dev server (via email)07:34
meatballhatjenda: we're going Drupal!  :D07:34
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jendaI'm sorry, I have to study :(07:34
SlvrEagle23meatballhat: My username is SlvrEagle23 on Launchpad now :D07:34
jendameatballhat: that's good :)07:34
meatballhaton to the branding aspect...07:34
SlvrEagle23oh and heya Jenda07:34
jendayo07:34
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: yer in!  ;-)07:35
meatballhatokay ... DIY Marketing branding:07:35
SlvrEagle23I noticed, that was fast :D07:35
meatballhattroy_s:  has been helping me with that -->  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/DesignSpec07:36
meatballhatI suck and I've made no progress in a few weeks, but now things have changed a TON at my workplace, so I'm back on the DIY wagon07:37
troy_smeatballhat: Time to maybe show some design attempts?07:38
meatballhattroy_s: perhaps  :)  ....    I'm embarrassed by my lack of progress, so I'd prefer not  :(07:38
SlvrEagle23heh, well I'm a designer too if you guys want help there :P07:39
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: we'll need an ally behind the PHP, don't worry ;-)07:39
SlvrEagle23I know the old "you're either one or the other" thing but I had a designer mother and developer father so...been doing both side-by-side for years ;)07:39
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meatballhatpalette balance example:  http://meatballhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/palette_var07.png07:40
meatballhatsomething like a logo: http://meatballhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/diy_logo06.png07:40
troy_smeatballhat: it wfm.07:40
troy_sthe palette.07:40
SlvrEagle23so what's the story on the non-Ubuntu theme thing?07:42
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: in short:  it's weak07:42
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SlvrEagle23what is...the story?07:42
SlvrEagle23or the Ubuntu theme?07:42
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meatballhatSlvrEagle23: the Ubuntu theme is strong07:42
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: it belongs to Ubuntu07:43
juliuxhi07:43
juliuxjenda, ping07:43
meatballhatI rant plenty on the /DesignSpec subpage07:43
meatballhatjuliux: howdy! :)07:43
juliuxhi meatballhat 07:43
SlvrEagle23hmm meatballhat, you use Launchpad.net as an example of something that doesn't look like an Ubuntu thing...but that *isn't* an Ubuntu thing is it?07:44
troy_smeatballhat: On a side note, the ubuntu font looks like shat in every regard.  It is a plague on 'design', if there is such a thing.07:44
meatballhattroy_s: agreed ... the Comic Sans of the FOSS world07:44
troy_smeatballhat: Still a believer that if it isn't a ubnt letter, it needs to be expunged.07:45
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: Launchpad is a product of Canonical, Ltd.07:45
SlvrEagle23oh07:45
jendajuliux: pong07:46
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: and Ubuntu is one of the largest (?) projects being managed on Launchpad07:46
SlvrEagle23Ohhh07:46
SlvrEagle23They actually manage all of Ubuntu itself on here eh?07:46
SlvrEagle23nice07:46
jendameatballhat: be careful with logoisation - we shouldn't have too strong a brand of our own, methinks :)07:46
juliuxjenda, anything new about the poster file?07:46
troy_sjenda: Did you get in touch with Hanzo?07:47
jendajuliux: I thought I pasted it to you... just a sec07:47
jendatroy_s: yep07:47
troy_sjenda: Was he into a v2?07:47
jendatroy_s: he'll be happy to do it, once things cool down a bit (on both his side and mine)07:47
meatballhatjenda: never you worry about the branding ;-)  I told you I'd make you proud07:48
jendameatballhat: ok 07:48
jendameatballhat: just lump, don't split ;)07:48
jendajuliux: see email07:49
troy_sjenda: lump don't split?07:49
jendatroy_s: it's meatballhat's slogan ;)07:49
meatballhatokay, so SlvrEagle23 and dergringo, can you both shoot me an email? --> daniel.buch@gmail.com07:49
SlvrEagle23anything in particular you want in it?07:49
jendatroy_s: about not splintering effort07:49
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meatballhatjenda, troy_s: it's stolen from the Anthropology dept. I grad'd from ;-)07:50
juliuxjenda, thxs07:50
troy_smeatballhat: I would think gutting that palette down to 3 or 4 primaries...  The composition mock works well.07:50
jendajuliux: any new books? I ordered 3 more tiny ones, and when those come, I'll come pick it all up.07:50
meatballhatSlvrEagle23: just your email addy  :)    I'll get you the dev server access stuff07:50
jendajuliux: the last three are for myself - law stuffs ;)07:50
SlvrEagle23ah alright07:50
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juliuxjenda, i get a card from the post office that there is something for me, i will check it tommorrow07:50
jendacool07:50
jendathx 07:51
juliuxjenda, and i have to go to the custom :(07:51
meatballhattroy_s: that's what I'm hoping will come across with the work I'm doing07:51
troy_smeatballhat: You are also going to need to draft someone to actually start evolving the ideas into output... maybe SlvrEagle23 could help you with that.07:51
meatballhattroy_s, SlvrEagle23:  sounds like a plan07:51
jendajuliux: is that far away? damn them, it's just a book :(07:51
troy_smeatballhat: A .pdf flyer spoof could be quite hilarious.07:51
SlvrEagle23heh07:51
troy_sjenda: How come you appear to be chattering with ghosts?07:51
juliuxjenda, it is 1,5h via public transport 30min by car07:52
dergringomeatballhat: ok mail is out07:52
jendatroy_s: sorry :)07:52
troy_sjenda: What book?07:52
meatballhatdergringo, SlvrEagle23:  I'll get you the server access info07:52
jendatroy_s: it's stuff I ordered on julius' address and I'll go pick up in a few weeks07:52
troy_smeatballhat: And doing something that is rather 'daring' as in spoofing -- you _really_ need your guys to be on the same page.07:52
troy_sjenda: Aw no interesting books just law crud?07:52
jendatroy_s: in fact, organic chemistry crud - just 3 are law stuff, and those are damn interesting :)07:53
troy_sjenda: If your head is in a jar perhaps.  :P07:53
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jendabah!07:53
jenda07:53
troy_sphreak07:53
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troy_souts07:53
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dergringohmmm07:56
dergringoWhat's going on?07:56
dergringo:D07:56
beunodergringo: seems the meeting just ended07:57
SlvrEagle23that was fast07:57
dergringouhm07:58
dergringookay :)07:58
SlvrEagle23well, an hour07:59
SlvrEagle23but...yeah07:59
SlvrEagle23seems to have flown by07:59
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dergringohow is that code access going? ftp? bzr? svn? cvs?07:59
SlvrEagle23I'm going to have to figure out bzr to snag all this stuff08:01
beunoSlvrEagle23: it's pretty easy, but if you need help, just ping me08:03
SlvrEagle23yeah, it doesn't seem to have quite the same Windows support as SVN08:03
dergringoyeah there seems to be an eclipse plugin08:06
beunodergringo: the eclipse plugin is still in alpha08:07
dergringobeuno: yes I've just seen it08:07
dergringoI'll stick to commandline while waiting for a stable eclipse plugin08:08
beunodergringo: I recommend you do  :D08:08
dergringookay08:09
dergringo:)08:09
dergringoWell I'm hungry :) Bye bye08:10
beunocua dergringo08:10
beuno*cya08:10
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Burgundaviabeuno: you alive?08:41
beunoBurgundavia! yeah, hey08:42
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Burgundaviabeuno: shall we finish up the UWN tonight and get it out?08:44
beunoBurgundavia: was looking throught right now08:44
Burgundaviacool08:44
Burgundaviathere are a few little things I want to add, but I am about to head out shopping with the gf08:45
beunoBurgundavia: ok, great, I'll wait for you to come back then, won't release08:45
Burgundaviathat works08:45
Burgundaviadid you get the password to the mailing lsit?08:45
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beunoBurgundavia: nope, did you send it?08:46
beunoerr08:46
beuno*when08:46
Burgundaviajust wondered how you got 40 throuht08:46
beunoBurgundavia: I didn't maybe Cody did?08:46
Burgundaviaprobably08:47
Burgundavialet me send you the password at any rate08:47
beunowho else has the password?08:47
Burgundaviadumb for you not to have it08:47
Burgundaviajust myself and cody08:47
beunoBurgundavia: that would be great  :D08:47
beunoI'd also like to see what the process is to be able to post the "The Fridge", to able to complete the UWN release entirely08:48
Burgundaviathe fridge requires a fridge editor08:48
Burgundaviawhich is basically me08:49
Burgundaviayou can send to the fridge-devel mailing list08:49
beunosend a request to be added as an editor?08:49
beunoor the actual news?08:49
Burgundaviaeither08:49
BurgundaviaI don't see any issues with adding you as an editor08:50
beunogreat, I'll send a request then :D08:50
beunothanks08:50
beunohow's the CC role?08:50
Burgundaviapretty quiet08:51
Burgundaviathere is nothing going explody08:51
beunoI'm glad nothing is   :D08:52
boredandbloggingok, I think I've added everything I can to the UWN08:53
Vorianhey boredandblogging 08:53
boredandblogginghey Vorian08:53
Vorianyou forgot to mention that AX needs some respect08:53
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boredandblogginglol, yeah, I left out the arnieboy drama08:53
Voriangood idea08:54
boredandbloggingdidn't think people need to know about forum drama08:54
Vorianwell, that part was very unique08:54
boredandblogginghaha, yes it was08:54
Vorianand08:54
Voriannever mind08:55
boredandbloggingoh come on08:55
beunoBurgundavia: did you get a chance to talk to Carlos about the rosetta stats in UDS?08:55
Burgundaviaagh, sorry, I completely forgot\08:57
Burgundaviahe was there, too08:57
beunothat would explain why it I didn't see any changes, np08:59
beunoI'll try and nag him directly08:59
Burgundaviano worries09:00
BurgundaviaI ended up being crazy busy with a lot of things09:00
beunoBurgundavia, while I've got you here, did you get a chance to check out the ideas I had to add to the UWN?09:01
Burgundaviathey look good09:01
beunothey're not big changes, just wanted to make sure it didn't overlap too much09:02
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Burgundaviayou saw the stuff about coordinating things like interviews?09:03
beunoBurgundavia: yeap, sounds great, we might even be able to use some parts from an interview used in, let's say FullCircle, in UWN09:04
beunoalso, the UWN has been lacking the Team/Spec of the weak section a lot, I'm going to start paying more attention to that specifically09:05
Burgundaviaand behindubuntu09:05
BurgundaviaI think for that stuff, we need to seek out people09:05
Burgundaviaanyway, off09:06
Burgundaviaback in a few hours09:06
beunoright, have fun shopping09:06
beunoba bye09:06
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