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SlvrEagle23 | Hey there guys...sorry if I'm late or early, I'm just awful at this UTC conversion thing... | 06:03 |
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boredandblogging | late/early for what? | 06:06 |
SlvrEagle23 | the DIY website regrouping meeting | 06:08 |
boredandblogging | ahh, ok | 06:09 |
SlvrEagle23 | oh wow I'm quite late | 06:16 |
SlvrEagle23 | apparently it's about 1800 UTC...well that conversion site screwed way up | 06:16 |
SlvrEagle23 | oh no, scratch that, I'm on time :D | 06:17 |
boredandblogging | you might want to use http://www.timeanddate.com | 06:18 |
SlvrEagle23 | yeah, I just misread 16:00 as 6:00pm, then realized it | 06:18 |
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boredandblogging | hi beuno | 06:54 |
beuno | hey boredandblogging | 06:54 |
beuno | how are you? | 06:54 |
boredandblogging | beuno: not too bad you? | 06:56 |
boredandblogging | think the UWN is close to done, unless we find some stuff for launchpad news and new in gutsy sections | 06:57 |
beuno | I've just woke up for the DIY meeting, so I'm still a bit slow :D | 06:57 |
beuno | yes, the UWN looks great this week | 06:58 |
beuno | very nice work with the CC approvals | 06:58 |
dergringo | :) hi all | 06:58 |
beuno | hey dergringo | 06:58 |
boredandblogging | i'm going to move the newly approved LoCos to the LoCo section to fill it up | 06:58 |
meatballhat | dergringo, beuno: howdy :) | 06:58 |
meatballhat | jenda: ping! | 06:59 |
beuno | boredandblogging: good idea, after this meeting I'll give the UWN some love and get it released! | 06:59 |
beuno | mornin' meatballhat | 06:59 |
SlvrEagle23 | woohoo, finally people...I waited here for an hour because I'm terrible at DST! | 06:59 |
meatballhat | beuno: why hello, mr. sick :( | 06:59 |
dergringo | You can just change you ubuntu clock to UTC ;) | 06:59 |
SlvrEagle23 | well I, um...yeah :( | 07:00 |
beuno | meatballhat: haven't left home in 4 days, I feel a bit better now :D | 07:01 |
beuno | SlvrEagle23: foxclocks extension for firefox, check it out | 07:01 |
SlvrEagle23 | hmm | 07:01 |
meatballhat | beuno: ugh ... you poor dude :-/ | 07:01 |
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beuno | meatballhat: I had it coming, should of taken care of myself a bit more :p | 07:02 |
SlvrEagle23 | ooh that's quite handy, thanks beuno | 07:02 |
meatballhat | <!-- NOMINALLY BEGIN DIY MARKETING MEETING --> | 07:02 |
meatballhat | :D okay, so for everyone who's here to talk about the DIY Marketing project ... | 07:02 |
meatballhat | let's wait just a few minutes ... ;-) | 07:03 |
beuno | lol | 07:04 |
boredandblogging | i'll sit in | 07:05 |
meatballhat | Wiki page--> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite | 07:06 |
meatballhat | Launchpad page --> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-diy-marketing | 07:06 |
meatballhat | Want to Help? --> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-diy-team/ | 07:06 |
meatballhat | </end flood> | 07:06 |
boredandblogging | i can help out with some non-coding stuff | 07:10 |
boredandblogging | like under the open section in the wiki | 07:11 |
beuno | boredandblogging: that would be great, those two I think are the most abandoned ones | 07:11 |
meatballhat | okie doke, so .... who's here for the DIY Marketing meeting? | 07:12 |
=== meatballhat <-- here | ||
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=== SlvrEagle23 <-- here | ||
SlvrEagle23 | er | 07:12 |
=== SlvrEagle23 ->here() == true | ||
meatballhat | hehe | 07:13 |
dergringo | me returns true; | 07:13 |
meatballhat | alright, so it's been awhile since we last really talked things through | 07:13 |
n2diy | here | 07:13 |
meatballhat | jenda has been the guiding voice through most of the DIY marketing project's history | 07:14 |
meatballhat | beuno and I hopped on board last fall... | 07:14 |
meatballhat | and now all three of us are *mostly* occupied with other things | 07:15 |
meatballhat | and there's new blood that wants to pitch in :) | 07:15 |
meatballhat | so some talking is in order | 07:15 |
meatballhat | I'm personally of the opinion that some fairly radical changes are needed ... about which I've spoken with jenda | 07:16 |
meatballhat | to sum it up: | 07:17 |
meatballhat | We will do all PHP/MySQL on top of Wordpress | 07:17 |
boredandblogging | oooh, wordpress, sexy | 07:18 |
dergringo | hmm | 07:18 |
meatballhat | We will create a unique DIY Marketing brand that is not dependent on ubuntu | 07:18 |
boredandblogging | sorry :-) | 07:18 |
meatballhat | (explanation, argumentation to follow) | 07:18 |
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SlvrEagle23 | Why not Drupal? This isn't a blog... :P | 07:19 |
dergringo | Why wordpress? | 07:19 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: that's the #1 question. Primary reasons: | 07:20 |
beuno | I think Drupal is much harder to administrate then Wordpress, keep in mind people rotate constantly here | 07:20 |
meatballhat | 1. Drupal is already getting a lot of attention from the ubuntu community | 07:20 |
meatballhat | 2. Wordpress is slim | 07:20 |
meatballhat | 3. (beuno's reason) | 07:21 |
SlvrEagle23 | Aw come on, Drupal's aggressive caching can withstand a huge degree of Digg-effect traffic, and Wordpress is notorious for snapping in half under that kind of weight | 07:21 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: keep talkin' :) | 07:21 |
meatballhat | if we need to go Drupal, that's fine | 07:21 |
dergringo | wordpress isn't well known for offering an easy administration. Think about all the security issues | 07:22 |
SlvrEagle23 | I believe the phrase on Digg is "!#@$ Wordpress" | 07:22 |
boredandblogging | i don't think WP is bad if you enable caching, but drupal is fine too | 07:22 |
bordy_away | wordpress admin isnt all that difficult though | 07:22 |
meatballhat | bordy!! | 07:22 |
bordy_away | just for a second | 07:22 |
bordy_away | lunch time, then back to work ;) | 07:22 |
meatballhat | :) | 07:22 |
bordy_away | in fact, if my dad catches me in here while he is out doing yardwork at MY house, he may kill me | 07:23 |
meatballhat | bordy_away: RUN! | 07:23 |
meatballhat | okay, so there's opinions for both WP and Drupal .... | 07:23 |
bordy_away | lol. Anyway, back to work... I will just cast my vote for WP since I am already good with it, but am always down to learn something new anyway | 07:23 |
meatballhat | I suppose what really matters is who is willing to do the programming, tweaking | 07:23 |
bordy_away | adios | 07:23 |
beuno | well, WP with cache handles diggs just fine, but o the other hand, the "official" Ubuntu theme is made for drupal, so that would be just drag n drop | 07:24 |
SlvrEagle23 | well I've been screwing with Drupal's backend for a year or so :D | 07:24 |
SlvrEagle23 | used it to launch several departmental intranet/extranet sites | 07:24 |
meatballhat | beuno: theme is another issue ;-) we'll get to that | 07:24 |
beuno | I don't like Drupal and I still get dizzy around it, so, not me :D | 07:24 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: can you devote a decent amount of energy to this project | 07:24 |
dergringo | I think drupal is much better because DIY isn't just a blog is it? | 07:24 |
meatballhat | ? | 07:24 |
SlvrEagle23 | yeah, this is my "philanthropic thing" | 07:24 |
SlvrEagle23 | (a.k.a. my afternoon project) | 07:24 |
meatballhat | dergringo: correct ... not a blog | 07:24 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: excellent | 07:25 |
meatballhat | okay .... so for the PHP slingers who are present ... is Drupal the CMS of choice? | 07:26 |
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SlvrEagle23 | Linux User magazine gave it the highest rating of all evaluated CMSes :D | 07:26 |
dergringo | if we use wordpress there will be a lot of hacking work to change the whole stuff to something that it hasn't been tought for | 07:26 |
=== meatballhat +1 for a vote | ||
=== meatballhat votes None | ||
SlvrEagle23 | if None means Django, no :P | 07:27 |
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meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: ;-) | 07:28 |
boredandblogging | who is responsible for doing the backend? | 07:28 |
meatballhat | boredandblogging: looks like it's going to be SlvrEagle23 and dergringo (and those who couldn't make it) | 07:28 |
boredandblogging | in that case if they like drupal | 07:29 |
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SlvrEagle23 | oh | 07:30 |
SlvrEagle23 | $vote++; | 07:30 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: what's yer launchpad username? I'll add you to the team | 07:30 |
SlvrEagle23 | ...my what? | 07:31 |
SlvrEagle23 | Launchpad? | 07:31 |
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meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: are you registered on Launchpad? | 07:31 |
SlvrEagle23 | well no | 07:31 |
troy_s | meatballhat: Thanks for the headsup | 07:31 |
meatballhat | :D | 07:31 |
meatballhat | troy_s: sarcasm taken | 07:31 |
SlvrEagle23 | but I'll go do that right now | 07:31 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: excellent | 07:31 |
SlvrEagle23 | is this a free CVS-style repo thing? | 07:31 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: it's a lot huuuuger than that | 07:32 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: er .... it's about a lot more than just repo'ing | 07:32 |
beuno | meatballhat: I think we should separate the repo so it isn't that big... a repo JUST for DIY.... | 07:32 |
meatballhat | beuno: done :) | 07:32 |
meatballhat | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-diy-marketing <-- look under 'Code' | 07:33 |
beuno | meatballhat: you rock :D | 07:33 |
meatballhat | Bazaar is our friend | 07:33 |
beuno | yes he is... | 07:33 |
SlvrEagle23 | Bazaar...hrm | 07:34 |
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meatballhat | okie doke, so I'll touch base with SlvrEagle23 and dergringo about access to our dev server (via email) | 07:34 |
meatballhat | jenda: we're going Drupal! :D | 07:34 |
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jenda | I'm sorry, I have to study :( | 07:34 |
SlvrEagle23 | meatballhat: My username is SlvrEagle23 on Launchpad now :D | 07:34 |
jenda | meatballhat: that's good :) | 07:34 |
meatballhat | on to the branding aspect... | 07:34 |
SlvrEagle23 | oh and heya Jenda | 07:34 |
jenda | yo | 07:34 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: yer in! ;-) | 07:35 |
meatballhat | okay ... DIY Marketing branding: | 07:35 |
SlvrEagle23 | I noticed, that was fast :D | 07:35 |
meatballhat | troy_s: has been helping me with that --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/DesignSpec | 07:36 |
meatballhat | I suck and I've made no progress in a few weeks, but now things have changed a TON at my workplace, so I'm back on the DIY wagon | 07:37 |
troy_s | meatballhat: Time to maybe show some design attempts? | 07:38 |
meatballhat | troy_s: perhaps :) .... I'm embarrassed by my lack of progress, so I'd prefer not :( | 07:38 |
SlvrEagle23 | heh, well I'm a designer too if you guys want help there :P | 07:39 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: we'll need an ally behind the PHP, don't worry ;-) | 07:39 |
SlvrEagle23 | I know the old "you're either one or the other" thing but I had a designer mother and developer father so...been doing both side-by-side for years ;) | 07:39 |
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meatballhat | palette balance example: http://meatballhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/palette_var07.png | 07:40 |
meatballhat | something like a logo: http://meatballhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/diy_logo06.png | 07:40 |
troy_s | meatballhat: it wfm. | 07:40 |
troy_s | the palette. | 07:40 |
SlvrEagle23 | so what's the story on the non-Ubuntu theme thing? | 07:42 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: in short: it's weak | 07:42 |
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SlvrEagle23 | what is...the story? | 07:42 |
SlvrEagle23 | or the Ubuntu theme? | 07:42 |
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meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: the Ubuntu theme is strong | 07:42 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: it belongs to Ubuntu | 07:43 |
juliux | hi | 07:43 |
juliux | jenda, ping | 07:43 |
meatballhat | I rant plenty on the /DesignSpec subpage | 07:43 |
meatballhat | juliux: howdy! :) | 07:43 |
juliux | hi meatballhat | 07:43 |
SlvrEagle23 | hmm meatballhat, you use Launchpad.net as an example of something that doesn't look like an Ubuntu thing...but that *isn't* an Ubuntu thing is it? | 07:44 |
troy_s | meatballhat: On a side note, the ubuntu font looks like shat in every regard. It is a plague on 'design', if there is such a thing. | 07:44 |
meatballhat | troy_s: agreed ... the Comic Sans of the FOSS world | 07:44 |
troy_s | meatballhat: Still a believer that if it isn't a ubnt letter, it needs to be expunged. | 07:45 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: Launchpad is a product of Canonical, Ltd. | 07:45 |
SlvrEagle23 | oh | 07:45 |
jenda | juliux: pong | 07:46 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: and Ubuntu is one of the largest (?) projects being managed on Launchpad | 07:46 |
SlvrEagle23 | Ohhh | 07:46 |
SlvrEagle23 | They actually manage all of Ubuntu itself on here eh? | 07:46 |
SlvrEagle23 | nice | 07:46 |
jenda | meatballhat: be careful with logoisation - we shouldn't have too strong a brand of our own, methinks :) | 07:46 |
juliux | jenda, anything new about the poster file? | 07:46 |
troy_s | jenda: Did you get in touch with Hanzo? | 07:47 |
jenda | juliux: I thought I pasted it to you... just a sec | 07:47 |
jenda | troy_s: yep | 07:47 |
troy_s | jenda: Was he into a v2? | 07:47 |
jenda | troy_s: he'll be happy to do it, once things cool down a bit (on both his side and mine) | 07:47 |
meatballhat | jenda: never you worry about the branding ;-) I told you I'd make you proud | 07:48 |
jenda | meatballhat: ok | 07:48 |
jenda | meatballhat: just lump, don't split ;) | 07:48 |
jenda | juliux: see email | 07:49 |
troy_s | jenda: lump don't split? | 07:49 |
jenda | troy_s: it's meatballhat's slogan ;) | 07:49 |
meatballhat | okay, so SlvrEagle23 and dergringo, can you both shoot me an email? --> daniel.buch@gmail.com | 07:49 |
SlvrEagle23 | anything in particular you want in it? | 07:49 |
jenda | troy_s: about not splintering effort | 07:49 |
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meatballhat | jenda, troy_s: it's stolen from the Anthropology dept. I grad'd from ;-) | 07:50 |
juliux | jenda, thxs | 07:50 |
troy_s | meatballhat: I would think gutting that palette down to 3 or 4 primaries... The composition mock works well. | 07:50 |
jenda | juliux: any new books? I ordered 3 more tiny ones, and when those come, I'll come pick it all up. | 07:50 |
meatballhat | SlvrEagle23: just your email addy :) I'll get you the dev server access stuff | 07:50 |
jenda | juliux: the last three are for myself - law stuffs ;) | 07:50 |
SlvrEagle23 | ah alright | 07:50 |
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juliux | jenda, i get a card from the post office that there is something for me, i will check it tommorrow | 07:50 |
jenda | cool | 07:50 |
jenda | thx | 07:51 |
juliux | jenda, and i have to go to the custom :( | 07:51 |
meatballhat | troy_s: that's what I'm hoping will come across with the work I'm doing | 07:51 |
troy_s | meatballhat: You are also going to need to draft someone to actually start evolving the ideas into output... maybe SlvrEagle23 could help you with that. | 07:51 |
meatballhat | troy_s, SlvrEagle23: sounds like a plan | 07:51 |
jenda | juliux: is that far away? damn them, it's just a book :( | 07:51 |
troy_s | meatballhat: A .pdf flyer spoof could be quite hilarious. | 07:51 |
SlvrEagle23 | heh | 07:51 |
troy_s | jenda: How come you appear to be chattering with ghosts? | 07:51 |
juliux | jenda, it is 1,5h via public transport 30min by car | 07:52 |
dergringo | meatballhat: ok mail is out | 07:52 |
jenda | troy_s: sorry :) | 07:52 |
troy_s | jenda: What book? | 07:52 |
meatballhat | dergringo, SlvrEagle23: I'll get you the server access info | 07:52 |
jenda | troy_s: it's stuff I ordered on julius' address and I'll go pick up in a few weeks | 07:52 |
troy_s | meatballhat: And doing something that is rather 'daring' as in spoofing -- you _really_ need your guys to be on the same page. | 07:52 |
troy_s | jenda: Aw no interesting books just law crud? | 07:52 |
jenda | troy_s: in fact, organic chemistry crud - just 3 are law stuff, and those are damn interesting :) | 07:53 |
troy_s | jenda: If your head is in a jar perhaps. :P | 07:53 |
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jenda | bah! | 07:53 |
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troy_s | phreak | 07:53 |
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troy_s | outs | 07:53 |
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dergringo | hmmm | 07:56 |
dergringo | What's going on? | 07:56 |
dergringo | :D | 07:56 |
beuno | dergringo: seems the meeting just ended | 07:57 |
SlvrEagle23 | that was fast | 07:57 |
dergringo | uhm | 07:58 |
dergringo | okay :) | 07:58 |
SlvrEagle23 | well, an hour | 07:59 |
SlvrEagle23 | but...yeah | 07:59 |
SlvrEagle23 | seems to have flown by | 07:59 |
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dergringo | how is that code access going? ftp? bzr? svn? cvs? | 07:59 |
SlvrEagle23 | I'm going to have to figure out bzr to snag all this stuff | 08:01 |
beuno | SlvrEagle23: it's pretty easy, but if you need help, just ping me | 08:03 |
SlvrEagle23 | yeah, it doesn't seem to have quite the same Windows support as SVN | 08:03 |
dergringo | yeah there seems to be an eclipse plugin | 08:06 |
beuno | dergringo: the eclipse plugin is still in alpha | 08:07 |
dergringo | beuno: yes I've just seen it | 08:07 |
dergringo | I'll stick to commandline while waiting for a stable eclipse plugin | 08:08 |
beuno | dergringo: I recommend you do :D | 08:08 |
dergringo | okay | 08:09 |
dergringo | :) | 08:09 |
dergringo | Well I'm hungry :) Bye bye | 08:10 |
beuno | cua dergringo | 08:10 |
beuno | *cya | 08:10 |
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beuno | Burgundavia! yeah, hey | 08:42 |
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Burgundavia | beuno: shall we finish up the UWN tonight and get it out? | 08:44 |
beuno | Burgundavia: was looking throught right now | 08:44 |
Burgundavia | cool | 08:44 |
Burgundavia | there are a few little things I want to add, but I am about to head out shopping with the gf | 08:45 |
beuno | Burgundavia: ok, great, I'll wait for you to come back then, won't release | 08:45 |
Burgundavia | that works | 08:45 |
Burgundavia | did you get the password to the mailing lsit? | 08:45 |
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beuno | Burgundavia: nope, did you send it? | 08:46 |
beuno | err | 08:46 |
beuno | *when | 08:46 |
Burgundavia | just wondered how you got 40 throuht | 08:46 |
beuno | Burgundavia: I didn't maybe Cody did? | 08:46 |
Burgundavia | probably | 08:47 |
Burgundavia | let me send you the password at any rate | 08:47 |
beuno | who else has the password? | 08:47 |
Burgundavia | dumb for you not to have it | 08:47 |
Burgundavia | just myself and cody | 08:47 |
beuno | Burgundavia: that would be great :D | 08:47 |
beuno | I'd also like to see what the process is to be able to post the "The Fridge", to able to complete the UWN release entirely | 08:48 |
Burgundavia | the fridge requires a fridge editor | 08:48 |
Burgundavia | which is basically me | 08:49 |
Burgundavia | you can send to the fridge-devel mailing list | 08:49 |
beuno | send a request to be added as an editor? | 08:49 |
beuno | or the actual news? | 08:49 |
Burgundavia | either | 08:49 |
Burgundavia | I don't see any issues with adding you as an editor | 08:50 |
beuno | great, I'll send a request then :D | 08:50 |
beuno | thanks | 08:50 |
beuno | how's the CC role? | 08:50 |
Burgundavia | pretty quiet | 08:51 |
Burgundavia | there is nothing going explody | 08:51 |
beuno | I'm glad nothing is :D | 08:52 |
boredandblogging | ok, I think I've added everything I can to the UWN | 08:53 |
Vorian | hey boredandblogging | 08:53 |
boredandblogging | hey Vorian | 08:53 |
Vorian | you forgot to mention that AX needs some respect | 08:53 |
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boredandblogging | lol, yeah, I left out the arnieboy drama | 08:53 |
Vorian | good idea | 08:54 |
boredandblogging | didn't think people need to know about forum drama | 08:54 |
Vorian | well, that part was very unique | 08:54 |
boredandblogging | haha, yes it was | 08:54 |
Vorian | and | 08:54 |
Vorian | never mind | 08:55 |
boredandblogging | oh come on | 08:55 |
beuno | Burgundavia: did you get a chance to talk to Carlos about the rosetta stats in UDS? | 08:55 |
Burgundavia | agh, sorry, I completely forgot\ | 08:57 |
Burgundavia | he was there, too | 08:57 |
beuno | that would explain why it I didn't see any changes, np | 08:59 |
beuno | I'll try and nag him directly | 08:59 |
Burgundavia | no worries | 09:00 |
Burgundavia | I ended up being crazy busy with a lot of things | 09:00 |
beuno | Burgundavia, while I've got you here, did you get a chance to check out the ideas I had to add to the UWN? | 09:01 |
Burgundavia | they look good | 09:01 |
beuno | they're not big changes, just wanted to make sure it didn't overlap too much | 09:02 |
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Burgundavia | you saw the stuff about coordinating things like interviews? | 09:03 |
beuno | Burgundavia: yeap, sounds great, we might even be able to use some parts from an interview used in, let's say FullCircle, in UWN | 09:04 |
beuno | also, the UWN has been lacking the Team/Spec of the weak section a lot, I'm going to start paying more attention to that specifically | 09:05 |
Burgundavia | and behindubuntu | 09:05 |
Burgundavia | I think for that stuff, we need to seek out people | 09:05 |
Burgundavia | anyway, off | 09:06 |
Burgundavia | back in a few hours | 09:06 |
beuno | right, have fun shopping | 09:06 |
beuno | ba bye | 09:06 |
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