=== Wicks [n=jim@217.151.109.88] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === bordy240 [n=chris@153-161.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === meatballhat [n=dbuch@ubuntu/member/meatballhat] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === bordy240 is now known as bordy === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === bordy is now known as bordy_away === meatballhat [n=dbuch@ubuntu/member/meatballhat] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["/me] === samiam [n=samurai@74-134-139-205.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === vorian [n=grrr@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Mike_F [n=mike@user-0c6s66t.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Feravolo [n=mike@user-0c6s66t.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Feravolo [n=mike@user-0c6s66t.cable.mindspring.com] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === Mike_F [n=mike@user-0c6s66t.cable.mindspring.com] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === n2diy_ [n=darryl@66.212.43.220] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["Ex-Chat"] === nali [n=nali@c-24-98-177-125.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-120-243-30.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === bordy_away is now known as bordy === bordy is now known as bordy_away === bordy_away is now known as bordy === bordy is now known as bordy_away === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === dergringo [n=dergring@ns2.uplink-netz.ch] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jono_ [n=jono@88-107-76-57.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === elkbuntu_ [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === nolander [n=nolander@124-168-110-228.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === nolander [n=nolander@124-168-110-228.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["Leaving"] === vorian [n=grrr@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-195.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === zerbero_1 [n=jga@p213.54.42.125.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["Konversation] === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === SlvrEagle23 [n=Slvr@r74-192-209-178.bcstcmta02.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:03] Hey there guys...sorry if I'm late or early, I'm just awful at this UTC conversion thing... [06:06] late/early for what? [06:08] the DIY website regrouping meeting [06:09] ahh, ok [06:16] oh wow I'm quite late [06:16] apparently it's about 1800 UTC...well that conversion site screwed way up [06:17] oh no, scratch that, I'm on time :D [06:18] you might want to use http://www.timeanddate.com [06:18] yeah, I just misread 16:00 as 6:00pm, then realized it === n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d42902.wlks.losch.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Wicks [n=jim@217.151.109.88] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === meatballhat [n=dbuch@ubuntu/member/meatballhat] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === meatballhat [n=dbuch@ubuntu/member/meatballhat] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:54] hi beuno [06:54] hey boredandblogging [06:54] how are you? [06:56] beuno: not too bad you? [06:57] think the UWN is close to done, unless we find some stuff for launchpad news and new in gutsy sections [06:57] I've just woke up for the DIY meeting, so I'm still a bit slow :D [06:58] yes, the UWN looks great this week [06:58] very nice work with the CC approvals [06:58] :) hi all [06:58] hey dergringo [06:58] i'm going to move the newly approved LoCos to the LoCo section to fill it up [06:58] dergringo, beuno: howdy :) [06:59] jenda: ping! [06:59] boredandblogging: good idea, after this meeting I'll give the UWN some love and get it released! [06:59] mornin' meatballhat [06:59] woohoo, finally people...I waited here for an hour because I'm terrible at DST! [06:59] beuno: why hello, mr. sick :( [06:59] You can just change you ubuntu clock to UTC ;) [07:00] well I, um...yeah :( [07:01] meatballhat: haven't left home in 4 days, I feel a bit better now :D [07:01] SlvrEagle23: foxclocks extension for firefox, check it out [07:01] hmm [07:01] beuno: ugh ... you poor dude :-/ === SlvrEagle23 checks it out [07:02] meatballhat: I had it coming, should of taken care of myself a bit more :p [07:02] ooh that's quite handy, thanks beuno [07:02] [07:02] :D okay, so for everyone who's here to talk about the DIY Marketing project ... [07:03] let's wait just a few minutes ... ;-) [07:04] lol [07:05] i'll sit in [07:06] Wiki page--> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite [07:06] Launchpad page --> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-diy-marketing [07:06] Want to Help? --> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-diy-team/ [07:06] [07:10] i can help out with some non-coding stuff [07:11] like under the open section in the wiki [07:11] boredandblogging: that would be great, those two I think are the most abandoned ones [07:12] okie doke, so .... who's here for the DIY Marketing meeting? === meatballhat <-- here === beuno raises hand === dergringo is === SlvrEagle23 <-- here [07:12] er === SlvrEagle23 ->here() == true [07:13] hehe [07:13] me returns true; [07:13] alright, so it's been awhile since we last really talked things through [07:13] here [07:14] jenda has been the guiding voice through most of the DIY marketing project's history [07:14] beuno and I hopped on board last fall... [07:15] and now all three of us are *mostly* occupied with other things [07:15] and there's new blood that wants to pitch in :) [07:15] so some talking is in order [07:16] I'm personally of the opinion that some fairly radical changes are needed ... about which I've spoken with jenda [07:17] to sum it up: [07:17] We will do all PHP/MySQL on top of Wordpress [07:18] oooh, wordpress, sexy [07:18] hmm [07:18] We will create a unique DIY Marketing brand that is not dependent on ubuntu [07:18] sorry :-) [07:18] (explanation, argumentation to follow) === meatballhat will now field complaints, questions, etc. [07:19] Why not Drupal? This isn't a blog... :P [07:19] Why wordpress? [07:20] SlvrEagle23: that's the #1 question. Primary reasons: [07:20] I think Drupal is much harder to administrate then Wordpress, keep in mind people rotate constantly here [07:20] 1. Drupal is already getting a lot of attention from the ubuntu community [07:20] 2. Wordpress is slim [07:21] 3. (beuno's reason) [07:21] Aw come on, Drupal's aggressive caching can withstand a huge degree of Digg-effect traffic, and Wordpress is notorious for snapping in half under that kind of weight [07:21] SlvrEagle23: keep talkin' :) [07:21] if we need to go Drupal, that's fine [07:22] wordpress isn't well known for offering an easy administration. Think about all the security issues [07:22] I believe the phrase on Digg is "!#@$ Wordpress" [07:22] i don't think WP is bad if you enable caching, but drupal is fine too [07:22] wordpress admin isnt all that difficult though [07:22] bordy!! [07:22] just for a second [07:22] lunch time, then back to work ;) [07:22] :) [07:23] in fact, if my dad catches me in here while he is out doing yardwork at MY house, he may kill me [07:23] bordy_away: RUN! [07:23] okay, so there's opinions for both WP and Drupal .... [07:23] lol. Anyway, back to work... I will just cast my vote for WP since I am already good with it, but am always down to learn something new anyway [07:23] I suppose what really matters is who is willing to do the programming, tweaking [07:23] adios [07:24] well, WP with cache handles diggs just fine, but o the other hand, the "official" Ubuntu theme is made for drupal, so that would be just drag n drop [07:24] well I've been screwing with Drupal's backend for a year or so :D [07:24] used it to launch several departmental intranet/extranet sites [07:24] beuno: theme is another issue ;-) we'll get to that [07:24] I don't like Drupal and I still get dizzy around it, so, not me :D [07:24] SlvrEagle23: can you devote a decent amount of energy to this project [07:24] I think drupal is much better because DIY isn't just a blog is it? [07:24] ? [07:24] yeah, this is my "philanthropic thing" [07:24] (a.k.a. my afternoon project) [07:24] dergringo: correct ... not a blog [07:25] SlvrEagle23: excellent [07:26] okay .... so for the PHP slingers who are present ... is Drupal the CMS of choice? === beuno hides [07:26] Linux User magazine gave it the highest rating of all evaluated CMSes :D [07:26] if we use wordpress there will be a lot of hacking work to change the whole stuff to something that it hasn't been tought for === meatballhat +1 for a vote === meatballhat votes None [07:27] if None means Django, no :P === dergringo votes dupral [07:28] SlvrEagle23: ;-) [07:28] who is responsible for doing the backend? [07:28] boredandblogging: looks like it's going to be SlvrEagle23 and dergringo (and those who couldn't make it) [07:29] in that case if they like drupal === meatballhat just wanted to see some +1's in the channel :P [07:30] oh [07:30] $vote++; [07:30] SlvrEagle23: what's yer launchpad username? I'll add you to the team [07:31] ...my what? [07:31] Launchpad? === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:31] SlvrEagle23: are you registered on Launchpad? [07:31] well no [07:31] meatballhat: Thanks for the headsup [07:31] :D [07:31] troy_s: sarcasm taken [07:31] but I'll go do that right now [07:31] SlvrEagle23: excellent [07:31] is this a free CVS-style repo thing? [07:32] SlvrEagle23: it's a lot huuuuger than that [07:32] SlvrEagle23: er .... it's about a lot more than just repo'ing [07:32] meatballhat: I think we should separate the repo so it isn't that big... a repo JUST for DIY.... [07:32] beuno: done :) [07:33] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-diy-marketing <-- look under 'Code' [07:33] meatballhat: you rock :D [07:33] Bazaar is our friend [07:33] yes he is... [07:34] Bazaar...hrm === jenda peeks in and pretends he hasn't [07:34] okie doke, so I'll touch base with SlvrEagle23 and dergringo about access to our dev server (via email) [07:34] jenda: we're going Drupal! :D === beuno pretends he didn0t see jenda [07:34] I'm sorry, I have to study :( [07:34] meatballhat: My username is SlvrEagle23 on Launchpad now :D [07:34] meatballhat: that's good :) [07:34] on to the branding aspect... [07:34] oh and heya Jenda [07:34] yo [07:35] SlvrEagle23: yer in! ;-) [07:35] okay ... DIY Marketing branding: [07:35] I noticed, that was fast :D [07:36] troy_s: has been helping me with that --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/DesignSpec [07:37] I suck and I've made no progress in a few weeks, but now things have changed a TON at my workplace, so I'm back on the DIY wagon [07:38] meatballhat: Time to maybe show some design attempts? [07:38] troy_s: perhaps :) .... I'm embarrassed by my lack of progress, so I'd prefer not :( [07:39] heh, well I'm a designer too if you guys want help there :P [07:39] SlvrEagle23: we'll need an ally behind the PHP, don't worry ;-) [07:39] I know the old "you're either one or the other" thing but I had a designer mother and developer father so...been doing both side-by-side for years ;) === dergringo stays in the backend :) [07:40] palette balance example: http://meatballhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/palette_var07.png [07:40] something like a logo: http://meatballhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/diy_logo06.png [07:40] meatballhat: it wfm. [07:40] the palette. [07:42] so what's the story on the non-Ubuntu theme thing? [07:42] SlvrEagle23: in short: it's weak === meatballhat runs [07:42] what is...the story? [07:42] or the Ubuntu theme? === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:42] SlvrEagle23: the Ubuntu theme is strong [07:43] SlvrEagle23: it belongs to Ubuntu [07:43] hi [07:43] jenda, ping [07:43] I rant plenty on the /DesignSpec subpage [07:43] juliux: howdy! :) [07:43] hi meatballhat [07:44] hmm meatballhat, you use Launchpad.net as an example of something that doesn't look like an Ubuntu thing...but that *isn't* an Ubuntu thing is it? [07:44] meatballhat: On a side note, the ubuntu font looks like shat in every regard. It is a plague on 'design', if there is such a thing. [07:44] troy_s: agreed ... the Comic Sans of the FOSS world [07:45] meatballhat: Still a believer that if it isn't a ubnt letter, it needs to be expunged. [07:45] SlvrEagle23: Launchpad is a product of Canonical, Ltd. [07:45] oh [07:46] juliux: pong [07:46] SlvrEagle23: and Ubuntu is one of the largest (?) projects being managed on Launchpad [07:46] Ohhh [07:46] They actually manage all of Ubuntu itself on here eh? [07:46] nice [07:46] meatballhat: be careful with logoisation - we shouldn't have too strong a brand of our own, methinks :) [07:46] jenda, anything new about the poster file? [07:47] jenda: Did you get in touch with Hanzo? [07:47] juliux: I thought I pasted it to you... just a sec [07:47] troy_s: yep [07:47] jenda: Was he into a v2? [07:47] troy_s: he'll be happy to do it, once things cool down a bit (on both his side and mine) [07:48] jenda: never you worry about the branding ;-) I told you I'd make you proud [07:48] meatballhat: ok [07:48] meatballhat: just lump, don't split ;) [07:49] juliux: see email [07:49] jenda: lump don't split? [07:49] troy_s: it's meatballhat's slogan ;) [07:49] okay, so SlvrEagle23 and dergringo, can you both shoot me an email? --> daniel.buch@gmail.com [07:49] anything in particular you want in it? [07:49] troy_s: about not splintering effort === jenda gotta run off again [07:50] jenda, troy_s: it's stolen from the Anthropology dept. I grad'd from ;-) [07:50] jenda, thxs [07:50] meatballhat: I would think gutting that palette down to 3 or 4 primaries... The composition mock works well. [07:50] juliux: any new books? I ordered 3 more tiny ones, and when those come, I'll come pick it all up. [07:50] SlvrEagle23: just your email addy :) I'll get you the dev server access stuff [07:50] juliux: the last three are for myself - law stuffs ;) [07:50] ah alright === jenda runs off [07:50] jenda, i get a card from the post office that there is something for me, i will check it tommorrow [07:50] cool [07:51] thx [07:51] jenda, and i have to go to the custom :( [07:51] troy_s: that's what I'm hoping will come across with the work I'm doing [07:51] meatballhat: You are also going to need to draft someone to actually start evolving the ideas into output... maybe SlvrEagle23 could help you with that. [07:51] troy_s, SlvrEagle23: sounds like a plan [07:51] juliux: is that far away? damn them, it's just a book :( [07:51] meatballhat: A .pdf flyer spoof could be quite hilarious. [07:51] heh [07:51] jenda: How come you appear to be chattering with ghosts? [07:52] jenda, it is 1,5h via public transport 30min by car [07:52] meatballhat: ok mail is out [07:52] troy_s: sorry :) [07:52] jenda: What book? [07:52] dergringo, SlvrEagle23: I'll get you the server access info [07:52] troy_s: it's stuff I ordered on julius' address and I'll go pick up in a few weeks [07:52] meatballhat: And doing something that is rather 'daring' as in spoofing -- you _really_ need your guys to be on the same page. [07:52] jenda: Aw no interesting books just law crud? [07:53] troy_s: in fact, organic chemistry crud - just 3 are law stuff, and those are damn interesting :) [07:53] jenda: If your head is in a jar perhaps. :P === jenda really has to run off, study his failed sociology exam ;) [07:53] bah! [07:53] [07:53] phreak === meatballhat runs away, too ... back to them there housework [07:53] outs === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["Parting"] === meatballhat [n=dbuch@ubuntu/member/meatballhat] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["/me] [07:56] hmmm [07:56] What's going on? [07:56] :D [07:57] dergringo: seems the meeting just ended [07:57] that was fast [07:58] uhm [07:58] okay :) [07:59] well, an hour [07:59] but...yeah [07:59] seems to have flown by === vorian is now known as HEhateME [07:59] how is that code access going? ftp? bzr? svn? cvs? [08:01] I'm going to have to figure out bzr to snag all this stuff [08:03] SlvrEagle23: it's pretty easy, but if you need help, just ping me [08:03] yeah, it doesn't seem to have quite the same Windows support as SVN [08:06] yeah there seems to be an eclipse plugin [08:07] dergringo: the eclipse plugin is still in alpha [08:07] beuno: yes I've just seen it [08:08] I'll stick to commandline while waiting for a stable eclipse plugin [08:08] dergringo: I recommend you do :D [08:09] okay [08:09] :) [08:10] Well I'm hungry :) Bye bye [08:10] cua dergringo [08:10] *cya === HEhateME is now known as Vorian === jakobi [n=robinj@84-55-110-19.rev.sth.ownit.se] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d42902.wlks.losch.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === bordy_away [n=chris@153-161.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d42902.wlks.losch.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === bordy_away [n=chris@153-161.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:41] beuno: you alive? [08:42] Burgundavia! yeah, hey === Mike_F [n=mike@user-0c6s66t.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:44] beuno: shall we finish up the UWN tonight and get it out? [08:44] Burgundavia: was looking throught right now [08:44] cool [08:45] there are a few little things I want to add, but I am about to head out shopping with the gf [08:45] Burgundavia: ok, great, I'll wait for you to come back then, won't release [08:45] that works [08:45] did you get the password to the mailing lsit? === beuno notices he didn't change the topic for the last UWN [08:46] Burgundavia: nope, did you send it? [08:46] err [08:46] *when [08:46] just wondered how you got 40 throuht [08:46] Burgundavia: I didn't maybe Cody did? [08:47] probably [08:47] let me send you the password at any rate [08:47] who else has the password? [08:47] dumb for you not to have it [08:47] just myself and cody [08:47] Burgundavia: that would be great :D [08:48] I'd also like to see what the process is to be able to post the "The Fridge", to able to complete the UWN release entirely [08:48] the fridge requires a fridge editor [08:49] which is basically me [08:49] you can send to the fridge-devel mailing list [08:49] send a request to be added as an editor? [08:49] or the actual news? [08:49] either [08:50] I don't see any issues with adding you as an editor [08:50] great, I'll send a request then :D [08:50] thanks [08:50] how's the CC role? [08:51] pretty quiet [08:51] there is nothing going explody [08:52] I'm glad nothing is :D [08:53] ok, I think I've added everything I can to the UWN [08:53] hey boredandblogging [08:53] hey Vorian [08:53] you forgot to mention that AX needs some respect === Vorian ducks [08:53] lol, yeah, I left out the arnieboy drama [08:54] good idea [08:54] didn't think people need to know about forum drama [08:54] well, that part was very unique [08:54] haha, yes it was [08:54] and [08:55] never mind [08:55] oh come on [08:55] Burgundavia: did you get a chance to talk to Carlos about the rosetta stats in UDS? [08:57] agh, sorry, I completely forgot\ [08:57] he was there, too [08:59] that would explain why it I didn't see any changes, np [08:59] I'll try and nag him directly [09:00] no worries [09:00] I ended up being crazy busy with a lot of things [09:01] Burgundavia, while I've got you here, did you get a chance to check out the ideas I had to add to the UWN? [09:01] they look good [09:02] they're not big changes, just wanted to make sure it didn't overlap too much === Robster_ [n=rob@host86-138-190-248.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [09:03] you saw the stuff about coordinating things like interviews? [09:04] Burgundavia: yeap, sounds great, we might even be able to use some parts from an interview used in, let's say FullCircle, in UWN [09:05] also, the UWN has been lacking the Team/Spec of the weak section a lot, I'm going to start paying more attention to that specifically [09:05] and behindubuntu [09:05] I think for that stuff, we need to seek out people [09:06] anyway, off [09:06] back in a few hours [09:06] right, have fun shopping [09:06] ba bye === vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-marketing.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Topic for #ubuntu-marketing: Welcome to the Ubuntu Marketing Team's IRC channel | We're here to fix Bug #1 | Keep in mind that whatever your LoCo does, any other LoCo can benefit from your work or experience! | Please sign up to the mailing list, ubuntu-marketing at lists.ubuntu.com | Beuno is doing UWN | UWN #39 is out, UWN #40 is in progress to be released Sunday May 13th === Topic (#ubuntu-marketing): set by beuno at Tue May 8 05:33:40 2007 === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-140.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-marketing.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Topic for #ubuntu-marketing: Welcome to the Ubuntu Marketing Team's IRC channel | We're here to fix Bug #1 | Keep in mind that whatever your LoCo does, any other LoCo can benefit from your work or experience! | Please sign up to the mailing list, ubuntu-marketing at lists.ubuntu.com | Beuno is doing UWN | UWN #39 is out, UWN #40 is in progress to be released Sunday May 13th === Topic (#ubuntu-marketing): set by beuno at Tue May 8 05:33:40 2007 === jakobi [n=robinj@84-55-110-19.rev.sth.ownit.se] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Wicks [n=jim@217.151.109.88] has joined #ubuntu-marketing