[06:03] <SlvrEagle23> Hey there guys...sorry if I'm late or early, I'm just awful at this UTC conversion thing...
[06:06] <boredandblogging> late/early for what?
[06:08] <SlvrEagle23> the DIY website regrouping meeting
[06:09] <boredandblogging> ahh, ok
[06:16] <SlvrEagle23> oh wow I'm quite late
[06:16] <SlvrEagle23> apparently it's about 1800 UTC...well that conversion site screwed way up
[06:17] <SlvrEagle23> oh no, scratch that, I'm on time :D
[06:18] <boredandblogging> you might want to use http://www.timeanddate.com
[06:18] <SlvrEagle23> yeah, I just misread 16:00 as 6:00pm, then realized it
[06:54] <boredandblogging> hi beuno
[06:54] <beuno> hey boredandblogging
[06:54] <beuno> how are you?
[06:56] <boredandblogging> beuno: not too bad you?
[06:57] <boredandblogging> think the UWN is close to done, unless we find some stuff for launchpad news and new in gutsy sections
[06:57] <beuno> I've just woke up for the DIY meeting, so I'm still a bit slow  :D
[06:58] <beuno> yes, the UWN looks great this week
[06:58] <beuno> very nice work with the CC approvals
[06:58] <dergringo> :) hi all
[06:58] <beuno> hey dergringo
[06:58] <boredandblogging> i'm going to move the newly approved LoCos to the LoCo section to fill it up
[06:58] <meatballhat> dergringo, beuno:  howdy :)
[06:59] <meatballhat> jenda: ping!
[06:59] <beuno> boredandblogging: good idea, after this meeting I'll give the UWN some love and get it released!
[06:59] <beuno> mornin' meatballhat
[06:59] <SlvrEagle23> woohoo, finally people...I waited here for an hour because I'm terrible at DST!
[06:59] <meatballhat> beuno: why hello, mr. sick :(
[06:59] <dergringo> You can just change you ubuntu clock to UTC ;)
[07:00] <SlvrEagle23> well I, um...yeah :(
[07:01] <beuno> meatballhat: haven't left home in 4 days, I feel a bit better now  :D
[07:01] <beuno> SlvrEagle23: foxclocks extension for firefox, check it out
[07:01] <SlvrEagle23> hmm
[07:01] <meatballhat> beuno: ugh ... you poor dude  :-/
[07:02] <beuno> meatballhat: I had it coming, should of taken care of myself a bit more   :p   
[07:02] <SlvrEagle23> ooh that's quite handy, thanks beuno
[07:02] <meatballhat> <!--        NOMINALLY BEGIN DIY MARKETING MEETING      -->
[07:02] <meatballhat> :D   okay, so for everyone who's here to talk about the DIY Marketing project ...
[07:03] <meatballhat> let's wait just a few minutes ...  ;-)
[07:04] <beuno> lol
[07:05] <boredandblogging> i'll sit in
[07:06] <meatballhat> Wiki page-->  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite
[07:06] <meatballhat> Launchpad page --> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-diy-marketing
[07:06] <meatballhat> Want to Help? -->  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-diy-team/
[07:06] <meatballhat> </end flood>
[07:10] <boredandblogging> i can help out with some non-coding stuff
[07:11] <boredandblogging> like under the open section in the wiki
[07:11] <beuno> boredandblogging: that would be great, those two I think are the most abandoned ones
[07:12] <meatballhat> okie doke, so ....   who's here for the DIY Marketing meeting?
[07:12] <SlvrEagle23> er
[07:13] <meatballhat> hehe
[07:13] <dergringo> me returns true;
[07:13] <meatballhat> alright, so it's been awhile since we last really talked things through
[07:13] <n2diy> here
[07:14] <meatballhat> jenda has been the guiding voice through most of the DIY marketing project's history
[07:14] <meatballhat> beuno and I hopped on board last fall...
[07:15] <meatballhat> and now all three of us are *mostly* occupied with other things
[07:15] <meatballhat> and there's new blood that wants to pitch in  :)
[07:15] <meatballhat> so some talking is in order
[07:16] <meatballhat> I'm personally of the opinion that some fairly radical changes are needed ... about which I've spoken with jenda
[07:17] <meatballhat> to sum it up:
[07:17] <meatballhat> We will do all PHP/MySQL on top of Wordpress
[07:18] <boredandblogging> oooh, wordpress, sexy
[07:18] <dergringo> hmm
[07:18] <meatballhat> We will create a unique DIY Marketing brand that is not dependent on ubuntu
[07:18] <boredandblogging> sorry :-)
[07:18] <meatballhat> (explanation, argumentation to follow)
[07:19] <SlvrEagle23> Why not Drupal? This isn't a blog... :P
[07:19] <dergringo> Why wordpress?
[07:20] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: that's the #1 question.  Primary reasons:
[07:20] <beuno> I think Drupal is much harder to administrate then Wordpress, keep in mind people rotate constantly here
[07:20] <meatballhat> 1. Drupal is already getting a lot of attention from the ubuntu community
[07:20] <meatballhat> 2. Wordpress is slim
[07:21] <meatballhat> 3. (beuno's reason)
[07:21] <SlvrEagle23> Aw come on, Drupal's aggressive caching can withstand a huge degree of Digg-effect traffic, and Wordpress is notorious for snapping in half under that kind of weight
[07:21] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: keep talkin'  :)
[07:21] <meatballhat> if we need to go Drupal, that's fine
[07:22] <dergringo> wordpress isn't well known for offering an easy administration. Think about all the security issues
[07:22] <SlvrEagle23> I believe the phrase on Digg is "!#@$ Wordpress"
[07:22] <boredandblogging> i don't think WP is bad if you enable caching, but drupal is fine too
[07:22] <bordy_away> wordpress admin isnt all that difficult though
[07:22] <meatballhat> bordy!!
[07:22] <bordy_away> just for a second
[07:22] <bordy_away> lunch time, then back to work ;)
[07:22] <meatballhat> :)
[07:23] <bordy_away> in fact, if my dad catches me in here while he is out doing yardwork at MY house, he may kill me
[07:23] <meatballhat> bordy_away:  RUN!
[07:23] <meatballhat> okay, so there's opinions for both WP and Drupal ....
[07:23] <bordy_away> lol. Anyway, back to work... I will just cast my vote for WP since I am already good with it, but am always down to learn something new anyway
[07:23] <meatballhat> I suppose what really matters is who is willing to do the programming, tweaking
[07:23] <bordy_away> adios
[07:24] <beuno> well, WP with cache handles diggs just fine, but o the other hand, the "official" Ubuntu theme is made for drupal, so that would be just drag n drop
[07:24] <SlvrEagle23> well I've been screwing with Drupal's backend for a year or so :D
[07:24] <SlvrEagle23> used it to launch several departmental intranet/extranet sites
[07:24] <meatballhat> beuno: theme is another issue ;-)  we'll get to that
[07:24] <beuno> I don't like Drupal and I still get dizzy around it, so, not me   :D
[07:24] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: can you devote a decent amount of energy to this project
[07:24] <dergringo> I think drupal is much better because DIY isn't just a blog is it?
[07:24] <meatballhat> ?
[07:24] <SlvrEagle23> yeah, this is my "philanthropic thing"
[07:24] <SlvrEagle23> (a.k.a. my afternoon project)
[07:24] <meatballhat> dergringo: correct  ... not a blog
[07:25] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: excellent
[07:26] <meatballhat> okay .... so for the PHP slingers who are present ...  is Drupal the CMS of choice?
[07:26] <SlvrEagle23> Linux User magazine gave it the highest rating of all evaluated CMSes :D
[07:26] <dergringo> if we use wordpress there will be a lot of hacking work to change the whole stuff to something that it hasn't been tought for
[07:27] <SlvrEagle23> if None means Django, no :P
[07:28] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23:   ;-)
[07:28] <boredandblogging> who is responsible for doing the backend?
[07:28] <meatballhat> boredandblogging: looks like it's going to be SlvrEagle23 and dergringo (and those who couldn't make it)
[07:29] <boredandblogging> in that case if they like drupal
[07:30] <SlvrEagle23> oh
[07:30] <SlvrEagle23> $vote++;
[07:30] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: what's yer launchpad username?  I'll add you to the team
[07:31] <SlvrEagle23> ...my what?
[07:31] <SlvrEagle23> Launchpad?
[07:31] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: are you registered on Launchpad?
[07:31] <SlvrEagle23> well no
[07:31] <troy_s> meatballhat: Thanks for the headsup
[07:31] <meatballhat> :D
[07:31] <meatballhat> troy_s: sarcasm taken
[07:31] <SlvrEagle23> but I'll go do that right now
[07:31] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: excellent
[07:31] <SlvrEagle23> is this a free CVS-style repo thing?
[07:32] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: it's a lot huuuuger than that
[07:32] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: er .... it's about a lot more than just repo'ing
[07:32] <beuno> meatballhat: I think we should separate the repo so it isn't that big...    a repo JUST for DIY....
[07:32] <meatballhat> beuno: done  :)
[07:33] <meatballhat> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-diy-marketing    <-- look under 'Code'
[07:33] <beuno> meatballhat: you rock   :D
[07:33] <meatballhat> Bazaar is our friend
[07:33] <beuno> yes he is...
[07:34] <SlvrEagle23> Bazaar...hrm
[07:34] <meatballhat> okie doke, so I'll touch base with SlvrEagle23 and dergringo about access to our dev server (via email)
[07:34] <meatballhat> jenda: we're going Drupal!  :D
[07:34] <jenda> I'm sorry, I have to study :(
[07:34] <SlvrEagle23> meatballhat: My username is SlvrEagle23 on Launchpad now :D
[07:34] <jenda> meatballhat: that's good :)
[07:34] <meatballhat> on to the branding aspect...
[07:34] <SlvrEagle23> oh and heya Jenda
[07:34] <jenda> yo
[07:35] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: yer in!  ;-)
[07:35] <meatballhat> okay ... DIY Marketing branding:
[07:35] <SlvrEagle23> I noticed, that was fast :D
[07:36] <meatballhat> troy_s:  has been helping me with that -->  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/DesignSpec
[07:37] <meatballhat> I suck and I've made no progress in a few weeks, but now things have changed a TON at my workplace, so I'm back on the DIY wagon
[07:38] <troy_s> meatballhat: Time to maybe show some design attempts?
[07:38] <meatballhat> troy_s: perhaps  :)  ....    I'm embarrassed by my lack of progress, so I'd prefer not  :(
[07:39] <SlvrEagle23> heh, well I'm a designer too if you guys want help there :P
[07:39] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: we'll need an ally behind the PHP, don't worry ;-)
[07:39] <SlvrEagle23> I know the old "you're either one or the other" thing but I had a designer mother and developer father so...been doing both side-by-side for years ;)
[07:40] <meatballhat> palette balance example:  http://meatballhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/palette_var07.png
[07:40] <meatballhat> something like a logo: http://meatballhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/diy_logo06.png
[07:40] <troy_s> meatballhat: it wfm.
[07:40] <troy_s> the palette.
[07:42] <SlvrEagle23> so what's the story on the non-Ubuntu theme thing?
[07:42] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: in short:  it's weak
[07:42] <SlvrEagle23> what is...the story?
[07:42] <SlvrEagle23> or the Ubuntu theme?
[07:42] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: the Ubuntu theme is strong
[07:43] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: it belongs to Ubuntu
[07:43] <juliux> hi
[07:43] <juliux> jenda, ping
[07:43] <meatballhat> I rant plenty on the /DesignSpec subpage
[07:43] <meatballhat> juliux: howdy! :)
[07:43] <juliux> hi meatballhat 
[07:44] <SlvrEagle23> hmm meatballhat, you use Launchpad.net as an example of something that doesn't look like an Ubuntu thing...but that *isn't* an Ubuntu thing is it?
[07:44] <troy_s> meatballhat: On a side note, the ubuntu font looks like shat in every regard.  It is a plague on 'design', if there is such a thing.
[07:44] <meatballhat> troy_s: agreed ... the Comic Sans of the FOSS world
[07:45] <troy_s> meatballhat: Still a believer that if it isn't a ubnt letter, it needs to be expunged.
[07:45] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: Launchpad is a product of Canonical, Ltd.
[07:45] <SlvrEagle23> oh
[07:46] <jenda> juliux: pong
[07:46] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: and Ubuntu is one of the largest (?) projects being managed on Launchpad
[07:46] <SlvrEagle23> Ohhh
[07:46] <SlvrEagle23> They actually manage all of Ubuntu itself on here eh?
[07:46] <SlvrEagle23> nice
[07:46] <jenda> meatballhat: be careful with logoisation - we shouldn't have too strong a brand of our own, methinks :)
[07:46] <juliux> jenda, anything new about the poster file?
[07:47] <troy_s> jenda: Did you get in touch with Hanzo?
[07:47] <jenda> juliux: I thought I pasted it to you... just a sec
[07:47] <jenda> troy_s: yep
[07:47] <troy_s> jenda: Was he into a v2?
[07:47] <jenda> troy_s: he'll be happy to do it, once things cool down a bit (on both his side and mine)
[07:48] <meatballhat> jenda: never you worry about the branding ;-)  I told you I'd make you proud
[07:48] <jenda> meatballhat: ok 
[07:48] <jenda> meatballhat: just lump, don't split ;)
[07:49] <jenda> juliux: see email
[07:49] <troy_s> jenda: lump don't split?
[07:49] <jenda> troy_s: it's meatballhat's slogan ;)
[07:49] <meatballhat> okay, so SlvrEagle23 and dergringo, can you both shoot me an email? --> daniel.buch@gmail.com
[07:49] <SlvrEagle23> anything in particular you want in it?
[07:49] <jenda> troy_s: about not splintering effort
[07:50] <meatballhat> jenda, troy_s: it's stolen from the Anthropology dept. I grad'd from ;-)
[07:50] <juliux> jenda, thxs
[07:50] <troy_s> meatballhat: I would think gutting that palette down to 3 or 4 primaries...  The composition mock works well.
[07:50] <jenda> juliux: any new books? I ordered 3 more tiny ones, and when those come, I'll come pick it all up.
[07:50] <meatballhat> SlvrEagle23: just your email addy  :)    I'll get you the dev server access stuff
[07:50] <jenda> juliux: the last three are for myself - law stuffs ;)
[07:50] <SlvrEagle23> ah alright
[07:50] <juliux> jenda, i get a card from the post office that there is something for me, i will check it tommorrow
[07:50] <jenda> cool
[07:51] <jenda> thx 
[07:51] <juliux> jenda, and i have to go to the custom :(
[07:51] <meatballhat> troy_s: that's what I'm hoping will come across with the work I'm doing
[07:51] <troy_s> meatballhat: You are also going to need to draft someone to actually start evolving the ideas into output... maybe SlvrEagle23 could help you with that.
[07:51] <meatballhat> troy_s, SlvrEagle23:  sounds like a plan
[07:51] <jenda> juliux: is that far away? damn them, it's just a book :(
[07:51] <troy_s> meatballhat: A .pdf flyer spoof could be quite hilarious.
[07:51] <SlvrEagle23> heh
[07:51] <troy_s> jenda: How come you appear to be chattering with ghosts?
[07:52] <juliux> jenda, it is 1,5h via public transport 30min by car
[07:52] <dergringo> meatballhat: ok mail is out
[07:52] <jenda> troy_s: sorry :)
[07:52] <troy_s> jenda: What book?
[07:52] <meatballhat> dergringo, SlvrEagle23:  I'll get you the server access info
[07:52] <jenda> troy_s: it's stuff I ordered on julius' address and I'll go pick up in a few weeks
[07:52] <troy_s> meatballhat: And doing something that is rather 'daring' as in spoofing -- you _really_ need your guys to be on the same page.
[07:52] <troy_s> jenda: Aw no interesting books just law crud?
[07:53] <jenda> troy_s: in fact, organic chemistry crud - just 3 are law stuff, and those are damn interesting :)
[07:53] <troy_s> jenda: If your head is in a jar perhaps.  :P
[07:53] <jenda> bah!
[07:53] <jenda> 
[07:53] <troy_s> phreak
[07:53] <troy_s> outs
[07:56] <dergringo> hmmm
[07:56] <dergringo> What's going on?
[07:56] <dergringo> :D
[07:57] <beuno> dergringo: seems the meeting just ended
[07:57] <SlvrEagle23> that was fast
[07:58] <dergringo> uhm
[07:58] <dergringo> okay :)
[07:59] <SlvrEagle23> well, an hour
[07:59] <SlvrEagle23> but...yeah
[07:59] <SlvrEagle23> seems to have flown by
[07:59] <dergringo> how is that code access going? ftp? bzr? svn? cvs?
[08:01] <SlvrEagle23> I'm going to have to figure out bzr to snag all this stuff
[08:03] <beuno> SlvrEagle23: it's pretty easy, but if you need help, just ping me
[08:03] <SlvrEagle23> yeah, it doesn't seem to have quite the same Windows support as SVN
[08:06] <dergringo> yeah there seems to be an eclipse plugin
[08:07] <beuno> dergringo: the eclipse plugin is still in alpha
[08:07] <dergringo> beuno: yes I've just seen it
[08:08] <dergringo> I'll stick to commandline while waiting for a stable eclipse plugin
[08:08] <beuno> dergringo: I recommend you do  :D
[08:09] <dergringo> okay
[08:09] <dergringo> :)
[08:10] <dergringo> Well I'm hungry :) Bye bye
[08:10] <beuno> cua dergringo
[08:10] <beuno> *cya
[08:41] <Burgundavia> beuno: you alive?
[08:42] <beuno> Burgundavia! yeah, hey
[08:44] <Burgundavia> beuno: shall we finish up the UWN tonight and get it out?
[08:44] <beuno> Burgundavia: was looking throught right now
[08:44] <Burgundavia> cool
[08:45] <Burgundavia> there are a few little things I want to add, but I am about to head out shopping with the gf
[08:45] <beuno> Burgundavia: ok, great, I'll wait for you to come back then, won't release
[08:45] <Burgundavia> that works
[08:45] <Burgundavia> did you get the password to the mailing lsit?
[08:46] <beuno> Burgundavia: nope, did you send it?
[08:46] <beuno> err
[08:46] <beuno> *when
[08:46] <Burgundavia> just wondered how you got 40 throuht
[08:46] <beuno> Burgundavia: I didn't maybe Cody did?
[08:47] <Burgundavia> probably
[08:47] <Burgundavia> let me send you the password at any rate
[08:47] <beuno> who else has the password?
[08:47] <Burgundavia> dumb for you not to have it
[08:47] <Burgundavia> just myself and cody
[08:47] <beuno> Burgundavia: that would be great  :D
[08:48] <beuno> I'd also like to see what the process is to be able to post the "The Fridge", to able to complete the UWN release entirely
[08:48] <Burgundavia> the fridge requires a fridge editor
[08:49] <Burgundavia> which is basically me
[08:49] <Burgundavia> you can send to the fridge-devel mailing list
[08:49] <beuno> send a request to be added as an editor?
[08:49] <beuno> or the actual news?
[08:49] <Burgundavia> either
[08:50] <Burgundavia> I don't see any issues with adding you as an editor
[08:50] <beuno> great, I'll send a request then :D
[08:50] <beuno> thanks
[08:50] <beuno> how's the CC role?
[08:51] <Burgundavia> pretty quiet
[08:51] <Burgundavia> there is nothing going explody
[08:52] <beuno> I'm glad nothing is   :D
[08:53] <boredandblogging> ok, I think I've added everything I can to the UWN
[08:53] <Vorian> hey boredandblogging 
[08:53] <boredandblogging> hey Vorian
[08:53] <Vorian> you forgot to mention that AX needs some respect
[08:53] <boredandblogging> lol, yeah, I left out the arnieboy drama
[08:54] <Vorian> good idea
[08:54] <boredandblogging> didn't think people need to know about forum drama
[08:54] <Vorian> well, that part was very unique
[08:54] <boredandblogging> haha, yes it was
[08:54] <Vorian> and
[08:55] <Vorian> never mind
[08:55] <boredandblogging> oh come on
[08:55] <beuno> Burgundavia: did you get a chance to talk to Carlos about the rosetta stats in UDS?
[08:57] <Burgundavia> agh, sorry, I completely forgot\
[08:57] <Burgundavia> he was there, too
[08:59] <beuno> that would explain why it I didn't see any changes, np
[08:59] <beuno> I'll try and nag him directly
[09:00] <Burgundavia> no worries
[09:00] <Burgundavia> I ended up being crazy busy with a lot of things
[09:01] <beuno> Burgundavia, while I've got you here, did you get a chance to check out the ideas I had to add to the UWN?
[09:01] <Burgundavia> they look good
[09:02] <beuno> they're not big changes, just wanted to make sure it didn't overlap too much
[09:03] <Burgundavia> you saw the stuff about coordinating things like interviews?
[09:04] <beuno> Burgundavia: yeap, sounds great, we might even be able to use some parts from an interview used in, let's say FullCircle, in UWN
[09:05] <beuno> also, the UWN has been lacking the Team/Spec of the weak section a lot, I'm going to start paying more attention to that specifically
[09:05] <Burgundavia> and behindubuntu
[09:05] <Burgundavia> I think for that stuff, we need to seek out people
[09:06] <Burgundavia> anyway, off
[09:06] <Burgundavia> back in a few hours
[09:06] <beuno> right, have fun shopping
[09:06] <beuno> ba bye