[12:28] <ikonia> nalioth: is that an official thing - #ubuntu will answer debian and suse questions ?
[12:28] <nalioth> gnomefreak: YOU USE SUSE?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> nalioth: yes one of my systems are suse 10.2
[12:28] <nalioth> gnomefreak: turn in your cloak.
[12:28] <gnomefreak> lol you want to support it
[12:29] <nalioth> ikonia: no, i was just remarking that folks find #ubuntu friendlier to ask questions in
[12:29] <mc44> we can just let apokryphos handle all the SuSE questions :)
[12:29] <ikonia> nalioth: thank the lord
[12:35] <nalioth> we can't have ikonia in charge of the suse questions?
[12:35] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[01:19] <Seveas> ikonia already is in charge of gentoo questions
[01:20] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[01:42] <stefg> language-troll kevin in ubuntu needs amute
[01:45] <nalioth> stefg: ?
[01:46] <stefg> alright... just a desparado with bad manners who found his way to #ubuntu-es now
[01:47] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:47] <Hobbsee> fun
[01:47] <Hobbsee> i hope xchat hasnt put them in by default now...
[01:52] <Hobbsee> oh headdesk.
[01:52] <Hobbsee> people, undersatnd the concept of releases - adn that you probalby wont be able to install a deb for the current development version on something 3 releases old.
[01:53] <Hobbsee> and people, please read the topic *before* you make yourself look like a moron.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:47] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, n8bounds said: ubotu what time is it?
[02:47] <nalioth> time to buy a watch
[02:47] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, n8bounds said: ubotu what is the meaning of life?
[02:50] <vorian> lol
[03:56] <Eleaf> Hello;  I'm wondering why I was banished from #ubuntu-offtopic ;)
[03:58] <nalioth> Eleaf: recidivism?
[03:58] <Eleaf> recidivism?
[03:58] <Eleaf> of what?
[04:02] <Eleaf> nalioth, um?
[04:03] <nalioth> Eleaf: i have no idea
[04:03] <nalioth> who banned you?
[04:03] <Eleaf> um yeah..
[04:03] <Eleaf> I don't know.  I just tried joining today and it said I was banned.
[04:04] <Eleaf> so they did it when I wasn't there.
[04:09] <Eleaf> nalioth, this is the last thing I said:  <Eleaf>	Why is there no longer a pulseaudio module for jack in the repos?  it just disappeared?
[04:10] <Eleaf> then somebody else got in trouble for o4o a bit later
[04:10] <nalioth> Eleaf: i have no clue
[04:10] <Eleaf> come on, that's just stupid.
[04:11] <Eleaf> why doesn't the ubuntu op team leave notices for the people it randomly bans?
[04:11] <nalioth> Eleaf: we have notices. there is nothing to say why you were banned
[04:12] <Eleaf> nalioth, then why am I still banned?
[04:12] <nalioth> Eleaf: you're not
[04:13] <Eleaf> * Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned).
[04:13] <nalioth> are you quoting me from your history or have you tried lately?
[04:14] <Eleaf> I just tried right now
[04:14] <Eleaf> it says * Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned).
[04:14] <nalioth> crap
[04:14] <nalioth> i just unbanned the latest ban
[04:14] <nalioth> how many times are you banned there?
[04:15] <jrib> he has real name and ip banned
[04:15] <Eleaf> nalioth, I have no idea
[04:15] <Eleaf> sketchy..
[04:16] <Eleaf> maybe hitting enter too many times.. like 8 times under 30 seconds.
[04:16] <nalioth> try not to excite us, Eleaf   :)
[04:17] <Eleaf> heh
[04:20] <Eleaf> uh, yeah..
[04:20] <Eleaf> well... hello?
[04:21] <jrib> Eleaf: you're banned in every possible way... weird
[04:21] <Eleaf> what??  wow.
[04:23] <jrib> how do I list real name bans?
[04:23] <jrib> +d stuff
[04:23] <Eleaf> not sure
[04:24] <nalioth> Eleaf: it's been lifted
[04:24] <nalioth> er, maybe noe
[04:24] <Eleaf> heh.
[04:24] <nalioth> crap, what DID You do?
[04:25] <Eleaf> I don't remember doing anything vile.
[04:25] <nalioth> now get out of here
[04:25] <jrib> you're still missing one
[04:25] <nalioth> i am?
[04:25] <Eleaf> I'm going to watch a movie
[04:26] <nalioth> i got 3
[04:26] <jrib> *!n=ethan@*
[04:26] <Eleaf> I be back later if you need me
[04:26] <Eleaf> you can't tell who did the ban?
[04:26] <crdlb> ompaul did
[04:26] <Eleaf> lol
[04:26] <nalioth> Eleaf: bye now
[04:27] <Eleaf> thanks nalioth; that was weird
[04:27] <nalioth> anyone know what he did to get 4 bans in one?
        there are things you don't do around here <ompaul>        and he did them
[04:29] <nalioth> i /lastlogged and didnt see anything
[04:29] <nalioth> which is why i unbanned
[04:35] <jrib> no idea, but good night
[04:37] <nalioth> night
[06:22] <elkbuntu> aaaand he just earned one troll point
[06:23] <nalioth> elkbuntu: where?
[06:23] <elkbuntu> -offtopic
 Vista > linux
[06:23] <elkbuntu> that's as bad as he's done so far
[06:23] <elkbuntu> he gets VIT treatment when he goes further
[06:23] <elkbuntu> two troll points now
[06:36] <Oxy-Cotton> OP ABUSE IS #UBUNTU-OFFTOPIC
[06:38] <nalioth> Oxy-Cotton: did you mean OP ABUSE IN #UBUNTU-OFFTOPIC ?
[06:39] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[06:39] <Myrtti> THE WOLF IS COMING!
[06:39] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: hey - it's not even night there anymore!
[06:40] <Myrtti> not here either
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> err, that's what I said
[06:40] <Myrtti> [07:40]  <+tonyyarusso> Myrtti: hey - it's not even
[06:40] <Myrtti> um yeas
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> :S
[06:40] <Myrtti> too early still ;-)
[06:41] <nalioth> Oxy-Cotton: can we help you with something?
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> It's a Sunday - you know what that means.  Fresh grounds!
[06:41] <Oxy-Cotton> nalioth: Nope
[06:41] <Oxy-Cotton> I got banned for cursing once, without warning
[06:43] <Myrtti> and now the ban is lifted
[06:43] <Myrtti> as you do know
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> Nor was it a ban, actually.
[06:43] <Oxy-Cotton> nalioth: It is only fair you ban exs
[06:44] <nalioth> Oxy-Cotton: irc is not a democracy
[06:44] <Oxy-Cotton> Then why did you ban me?
[06:44] <Myrtti> now you're harassing the channel to make your point
[06:44] <Myrtti> at -offtopic
[06:45] <Myrtti> a tid bit immature behaviour, I'd say.
[06:45] <Oxy-Cotton> If the users were complaining, then you should have asked me to stop, otherwise, how do you know they mind?
[06:45] <Oxy-Cotton> nalioth: Why did you ban me?
[06:45] <nalioth> Oxy-Cotton: cursing
[06:46] <Oxy-Cotton> then why not exs?
[06:46] <Myrtti> he is
[06:46] <Oxy-Cotton> Why am I banned now?
[06:46] <Oxy-Cotton> For typing in caps?
[06:46] <Oxy-Cotton> \oh no
[06:47] <Myrtti> please keep your complaints to one place
[06:47] <Oxy-Cotton> Why did I get banned? elkbuntu ?
[06:47] <Myrtti> if you're here discussing the matter, you have no need to pm people
[06:47] <Myrtti> and vice versa
[06:47] <elkbuntu> Oxy-Cotton, you didnt get banned. you got removed for trolling
[06:47] <Oxy-Cotton> Myrtti: Who's PMing?
[06:47] <Oxy-Cotton> trolling?
[06:48] <Oxy-Cotton> I wasn'y
[06:48] <Oxy-Cotton> wow
[06:48] <Oxy-Cotton> Myrtti: WHO IS PMING?
[06:48] <Myrtti> why are you writing in caps?
[06:48] <Myrtti> my eyes hurt. ;____;
[06:49] <Oxy-Cotton> Because you didn't see my question the first time I asked
[06:49] <Myrtti> I was writing you an answer, but hadn't finished it yet
[06:49] <Myrtti> and I do have other life besides IRC...
[06:49] <Myrtti> anyway
[06:49] <Oxy-Cotton> no wai
[06:50] <Myrtti> oooookk.
[06:50] <Oxy-Cotton> continue writing you answer
[06:50] <Oxy-Cotton> please
[06:51] <elkbuntu> Oxy-Cotton, there is no need for you to be here
[06:51] <Oxy-Cotton> I don't believe this is private channle
[06:51] <Oxy-Cotton> And I am in the middle of a discussion
[06:52] <Myrtti> I've totally lost track of it though
[06:52] <Myrtti> I really need more sleep
[06:52] <tonyyarusso> Is it a useful one still?  I believe your questiones were answered.
[06:52] <Oxy-Cotton> Who am I PMing?
[06:52] <Myrtti> I've got no idea anymore about this
	if you're here discussing the matter, you have no need to pm people
[06:53] <Myrtti> from looking at -ubuntu, I got the impression that you were pm'ing elkbuntu atleast. I'm not sure if it really was PM, but anyWAY.
[06:53] <Myrtti> sorry, -offtopic
[06:53] <Myrtti> I wonder if we have any coffee...
[06:53] <Oxy-Cotton> ...
[06:54] <elkbuntu> it was a PM, it was an uninvited PM
[06:54] <Oxy-Cotton> what?
[06:54] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: you finished mine _already_?
[06:55] <Oxy-Cotton> Can I have ops in -offtopic?
[06:55] <nalioth> guess tha's a 'no'
[06:55] <Myrtti> that was fun.
[06:55] <elkbuntu> hehehe
[06:56] <elkbuntu> hurry with the k-ticket nalioth!
[07:00] <elkbuntu> who *!*@pool-71-183-226-118.nycmny.fios.verizon.net
[07:00] <elkbuntu> gah
[07:00] <nalioth> elkbuntu: ?
[07:01] <elkbuntu> seeing who else he is on as
[07:01] <elkbuntu> or, trying
[07:01] <nalioth> i got nobody, elkbuntu
[07:01] <elkbuntu> yeah, because i always stuff up the command
[07:01] <elkbuntu> hi mark_?
[07:01] <nalioth> i only see him
[07:01] <mark_> hello elkbuntu
[07:02] <elkbuntu> mark_, this is the IRC Ops channel, is this where you were looking for?
[07:02] <mark_> how do i test my setup for the defaultport vulnerability?
[07:02] <elkbuntu> aha, indeed it is
[07:02] <elkbuntu> he knows
[07:03] <nalioth> mark_: please join #moderation
[07:03] <mark_> ok will do. Ta.
[07:03] <mark_> ciao.
[07:03] <elkbuntu> mark_, when you return, feel free to drop into #ubuntu-au where all the aussie ubunter's hang out :)
[07:04] <nalioth> mark_: thanks for your patience, you can join #ubuntu now
[07:11] <elkbuntu> i think we lost him?
[07:12] <nalioth> so it seems
[07:19] <nalioth> night all
[08:15] <ubotu> In ubotu, Frogzoo said: disable_touchpad is To disable the touchpad while typing, see: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/09/20/disable-touchpad-temporarily-when-typing/
[02:11] <stefg> Due to the number of people hitting #ubuntu with 'My intel HDA sound broke after feisty upgrade' i'd turn in the following factoid: !intelhda is For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[02:18] <LjL> !intelhda is <reply> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[02:18] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[03:03] <nixternal> mornin'
[03:03] <PriceChild> afternoon :)
[03:03] <nixternal> hehe
[03:40] <Seveas> LjL, you jackass
[03:40] <LjL> nah that doesn't work :P
[03:40] <Seveas> damn
[03:42] <Seveas> Automatix roxxx!!!!11!
[03:43] <Seveas> dang, nobody bites
[03:43] <Seveas> must be sunday
[03:43] <LjL> i like automatix because it lets you do things that you simply cannot do in plain ubunto. it gives you legal codecs, if you try to install the ubunto codecs they don't work and they're also illegal
[03:44] <Seveas> @lart LjL
[03:44] <somerville32> I like automatix because of the cool name, duh.
[03:44] <Seveas> @lart LjL
[03:44] <Seveas> @lart somerville32
[03:44] <Seveas> hah!
[03:44] <LjL> can i get one of the VAXen?
[03:44] <LjL> not the one with blood on it
[03:46] <TheSheep> Vax-a-tron
[03:46] <TheSheep> PriceChild: a computer
[03:47] <TheSheep> PriceChild: mainframe
[03:47] <PriceChild> I'm sorry I'm not a geek :)
[03:47] <TheSheep> PriceChild: happens in the best of families
[05:06] <ikonia> Suse Rock0r !
[05:07] <somerville32> Omgz?! Really?!
[05:09] <ikonia> yeah
[05:09] <ikonia> get with it
[05:09] <ikonia> Seveas told me so
[05:10] <Seveas> @pity ikonia
[05:10] <ikonia> interesting version of "pity"
[05:10] <Seveas> I pity the fowl
[05:11] <ikonia> shut your jibba jbba
[05:11] <ikonia> jabba
[05:12] <Seveas> PriceQuack
[05:12] <ikonia> is everyone well
[05:12] <ikonia> ?
[05:12] <PriceChild> no of "shut your jibba jabba"
[05:12] <somerville32> @schedule atlantic
[05:12] <ubotu> Schedule for Canada/Atlantic: 20 May 14:00: Xubuntu Developers | 22 May 17:00: Technical Board | 23 May 17:00: Edubuntu | 24 May 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 May 11:00: LoCo Team | 29 May 12:00: Kernel Team
[05:13] <Seveas> I'm quite well
[05:13] <ikonia> super
[05:13] <Seveas> wrote hundreds of lines of python code :)
[05:13] <PriceChild> fun fun fun
[05:13] <ikonia> I've sprent the morning playing with my home recording studio after 4 months of work, it took one guy 4 hours to fix the mess I made of it
[05:14] <somerville32> I rewired my desktop :/
[05:14] <somerville32> Took 7 minute.
[05:15] <ikonia> you can come and do mine
[05:15] <ikonia> I think I need a slightly bigger case
[05:15] <TheSheep> somerville32: what did you wire?
[05:15] <somerville32> lol
[05:19] <Seveas> I rewired my brain :)
[05:20] <somerville32> I rewired my shower.
[05:20] <ikonia> I showered my brain
[05:21] <TheSheep> must. eat. brains.
[05:21] <TheSheep> must. drink. coffee.
[05:23] <somerville32> must. shower. or. will. stink.
[05:26] <LjL> BearPerson: niceties coming?
[05:26] <BearPerson> I think so, yes
[05:26] <BearPerson> I can see someone walking through an open proxy list, but I can't pick off any similarity between the connections fond to be open proxies
[05:27] <BearPerson> neither can I see any other weird activity yet
[05:33] <PriceChild> What's with -unregged... did we just have an attack while I was gone? :(
[05:34] <BearPerson> no, but there may have been an attack had we not gone +r
[05:34] <BearPerson> I'm not sure
[05:34] <BearPerson> I had someone connect >10 detected open proxies within 3 minutes, which usually means trouble
[05:36] <LjL> BearPerson: might for some strange reason laf31-5-82-235-128-93.fbx.proxad.net be involved?
[05:37] <BearPerson> not sure, socks proxies don't tell you who's connecting ;)
[05:37] <LjL> i mean that'd be a proxy
[05:37] <PriceChild> Ah yes was reading that before d/c
[05:37] <BearPerson> well, we'll see what the runner does now
[05:38] <BearPerson> can't see him in there
[05:38] <LjL> ok, just a weird nickname coincidence i notice, should be nothing
[05:39] <LjL> s/notice/noticed/
[05:39] <ompaul> several nicks = username and no cloak strange stuff
[05:42] <LjL> the coincidence i noticed was of a much weaker kind, just someone with a very italian nickname and someone else who'd joined with the same nickname before from proxad.net, which opendns marks as a phishing site for some reason
[06:07] <Eleaf> wow...
[06:08] <Eleaf> I've been banned from #ubuntu-offtopic again and I didn't even say anything.
[06:09] <ubotu> In ubotu, soundray said: printer =~ s/http://linuxprinting.org/http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/
[06:11] <LjL> !no printer is <reply> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:11] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[06:12] <Eleaf> If somebody could look into why I keep getting banned in #ubuntu-offtopic I would appreciate it.
[06:20] <jrib> Eleaf: you were un-unbanned essentially
[06:21] <Eleaf> jrib, I was banned again last night
[06:21] <Eleaf> I didn't even say anything when I was in the channel, but this morning, I can no longer join.
[06:22] <jrib> Eleaf: you should wait for ompaul to be around and ask him why you were banned
[06:22] <Eleaf> hmm hm
[06:28] <Eleaf> jrib, he's always mad at me it seems.
[06:29] <ikonia> why
[06:29] <Eleaf> not sure; dislike.
[06:30] <PriceChild> Eleaf, please remain calm, don't accuse operators of things like that and be patient until someone can attend to you.
[06:30] <ikonia> I doubt that a lot
[06:30] <Eleaf> PriceChild, ;)
[06:30] <ikonia> I don't find that funny
[06:30] <Eleaf> okay
[06:32] <Eleaf> PriceChild, I'm not impatient and am thoroughly calm
[06:35] <Eleaf> ikonia, I've only been banned from him about 30-40 times.
[06:35] <gnomefreak> is metabot one of ours?
[06:35] <ikonia> ask yourself why
[06:35] <Eleaf> ikonia, that's what I'm doing, and I don't know why so I am asking here.
[06:35] <gnomefreak> nevermind it is
[06:36] <Eleaf> I joined the channel, didn't even type anything, went to sleep: now I'm banned.
[06:38] <gnomefreak> ompaul didnt ban him
[06:39] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, yup its Ljl's.. got a cloak doesn't it?
[06:39] <gnomefreak> nalioth banned him
[06:39] <gnomefreak> the bot is ljls
[06:39] <PriceChild> Eleaf, Please remain patient as I have already requested. Someone will attend to you when they can.
[06:40] <PriceChild> hehe yeah that's what I meant g :)
[06:40] <Eleaf> thanks PriceChild
[06:40] <LjL> gnomefreak: uh? i don't see the ban
[06:40] <PriceChild> LjL, hehe
[06:40] <gnomefreak> i do
[06:40] <PriceChild> LjL, ban on eleaf
[06:40] <PriceChild> LjL, bot is yours
[06:40] <LjL> ah
[06:40] <gnomefreak> its the 2nd one in /mode #ubuntu-offtopic -b
[06:40] <LjL> i mixed up two conversations :)
[06:41] <LjL> no i just thought the *bot* was banned
[06:41] <ompaul> Eleaf, you have been banned for the same reason as you were banned several months ago for several days
[06:41] <LjL> (which it is, kind of, but that's my ban anyway :)
[06:41] <Eleaf> why?
[06:42] <ompaul> you can't remember why I removed for for a long time last time?
[06:42] <LjL> gnomefreak: well, i made it join and part quite a few times lately and it was uncloaked most of the times
[06:42] <gnomefreak> i asked in here forst
[06:42] <gnomefreak> first :)
[06:43] <LjL> yeah, just saying the mad joins and parts shouldn't happen anymore from now on, i've put it on an irc proxy so that it should stay connected even if it crashes or i have to stop and restart it
[06:43] <Eleaf> ompaul, for saying "elk" in a public channel?
[06:43] <ompaul> a bit more than that
[06:43] <Eleaf> does this really have relation to that?
[06:43] <ompaul> yes
[06:43] <Eleaf> ..
[06:44] <ompaul> you were told not to - you appear not to remember
[06:44] <ompaul> so you can remember it again
[06:44] <Eleaf> umm..
[06:44] <Eleaf> wow, all I have to say is that it's ridiculous I cannot say the word "elk".
[06:44] <ompaul> you do it with menance
[06:45] <Eleaf> uhm, no I don't.
[06:45] <ompaul> ehhhhhhhhhhhh
[06:45] <ompaul> there is no debate how does that sound
[06:45] <Eleaf> It's up to you to interpret what anybody says how you want: but from my objective view I do not say it with menace.
[06:45] <ompaul> you were told never to do it again
[06:46] <ompaul> you are far from objective
[06:46] <Eleaf> wow
[06:47] <Eleaf> I don't think it's reasonable to ban people for using a standard english word.  I cannot refer to an animal?  In what reference did I use the word?
[06:47] <Eleaf> Does anybody else find irrelevance in this topic?
 you were told never to do it again
[06:47] <ompaul> it was easy
[06:48] <ompaul> Eleaf, I am on the verge of making your ban lifelong I suggest you go away for a week or three
[06:48] <PriceChild> Eleaf, You were asked/told not to. You ignored the advice/order repeatedly. EOD as far as I'm concerned.
[06:48] <ompaul> you have  been here before you know how it goes
[06:48] <Eleaf> PriceChild, about 4 months ago they said I couldn't use the word "elk"
[06:48] <PriceChild> EOD as far as I'm concerned.
[06:48] <ompaul> and you have said it 3 times here
[06:49] <Eleaf> It's a grammatical habbit of mine.  Like "holy cow!" or "yowzers"
[06:49] <ompaul> it is not
[06:49] <Eleaf> who are you to say what my habbits are?
[06:49] <ompaul> now cease here or I will remove you from here also
[06:49] <Eleaf> I was angry at the packaging of a kernel-lowlatency
[06:50] <Eleaf> why do I even try ...
[06:50] <ompaul> because we have patience you try it?
[06:50] <ikonia> now that he's gone - what is the problem with the word "elk" I never use it, but I'll refrain from using it
[06:50] <ikonia> ?
[06:50] <ompaul> gnomefreak, :)
[06:50] <ompaul> ikonia, pm
[06:50] <ikonia> sure
[06:50] <ikonia> of course
 I was angry at the packaging of a kernel-lowlatency
[06:51] <ikonia> yeah that gets me mad as hell too ;)
[06:51] <ompaul> you start saying mouse the whole time when that gets to you
[06:52] <ikonia> elk - pardon
[06:52] <ikonia> elk ompaul I don't understand elk ;)
[06:52] <ikonia> I'm only pulling your leg
[06:52] <ompaul> ehh so don't go there
[06:52] <ikonia> of course
[06:53] <ompaul> I think it was longer than four months
[06:54] <ompaul> gnomefreak, he wanted a different revolution, one where the universe revolved around him
[06:55] <ikonia> he's copied my idea !
[06:56] <ompaul> did you patent it?
[06:56] <ompaul> please see the proir art from the 1400'
[06:56] <ikonia> no no
[06:56] <ompaul> s
[06:56] <ikonia> patent pending
[06:58] <ThunderStruck> yeah ompaul he is also oone that loves to complain
[06:59] <PriceChild> nice new name :)
[06:59] <ThunderStruck> ty :)
[06:59] <ThunderStruck> this is my alternate name
[06:59] <ompaul> ThunderStruck, only when he is wrong
[06:59] <ThunderStruck> just like yipe ;)
[06:59] <ThunderStruck> there are 3 that do it all the time
[07:00] <ikonia> ompaul: apparantly you just don't like him
[07:00] <ikonia> I can see why ;)
[07:00] <ThunderStruck> maybe more just 3 i know of from -offtopic
[07:01] <Eleaf> can I have a humane talk with somebody?
[07:01] <ompaul> I don't think so, I may have coloured the air somewhat.
[07:01] <Eleaf> I request a discussion that is not oppressive for the better of all..
[07:02] <ompaul> is that a threat?
[07:02] <Eleaf> If you cannot satisfy this, I will leave.
[07:02] <Eleaf> no, it's a request.
[07:03] <PriceChild> Eleaf, you may wait for the latest banning op if you are patient.
[07:03] <Eleaf> very well, but I will not talk with them if they are oppressive.
[07:05] <ThunderStruck> elnot talking to the ops will not help you get your ban removed. your best bet is to talk to an op nicely and hope he sees your point of view. throwing around comments like you just did will not help you
[07:05] <ThunderStruck> s/elnot/eleaf not
[07:06] <Eleaf> ThunderStruck, I requested a discussion.
[07:06] <ThunderStruck> very well, but I will not talk with them if they are oppressive.
[07:06] <ThunderStruck> was what i was referring to
[07:06] <Eleaf> Every time I try to speak calmly with an op against me, they are unforgiving.
[07:06] <PriceChild> Eleaf, what about me and ThunderStruck, have we been unforgiving, oppressing or anything but polite?
[07:06] <Eleaf> so I'm just requesting they will let me speak my side without banning me from this channel even.
[07:07] <Eleaf> PriceChild, you have not banned me
[07:07] <PriceChild> Eleaf, what about me and ThunderStruck, have we been unforgiving, oppressing or anything but polite?
[07:08] <PriceChild> We are ops, and you have been talking to us.
[07:08] <ThunderStruck> i am here as a nuetral at this point, however i am not the one that banned you so i am unable to remove it.
[07:08] <ThunderStruck> well some of time
[07:08] <Eleaf> PriceChild, you have been nonpartisan.
[07:09] <ompaul> there is a god
[07:09] <ompaul> ooohh sorry that was so well timed it was unreal
[07:09] <ThunderStruck> hes lucky im not on as gnomefreak :(
[07:10] <PriceChild> I have been not supporting or controlled by a political party, special interest group, or the like... I'm happy with that I suppose
[07:10] <Eleaf> lol
[07:10] <Eleaf> PriceChild, however your interrogative nature suggests you may be hungry.
[07:11] <Eleaf> I just don't understand how one can extrapolate so much from simple text to determine one's mood, and wishes.
[07:12] <Eleaf> is that a respite?
[07:12] <TheSheep> that must have hurt
[07:13] <ThunderStruck> PriceChild, if your hungry go eat
[07:13] <ThunderStruck> dont hit your head
[07:13] <Eleaf> yes
[07:13] <PriceChild> what if there was cake ont he desk?
[07:14] <jrib> usually works out better if you bring the cake to your mouth, not the other way around PriceChild
[07:14] <PriceChild> ahhhhhhh
[07:14] <ikonia> jrib: think outside the box
[07:14] <PriceChild> not as fun thoguh
[07:14] <ikonia> PriceChild: is blue skying new methods
[07:17] <Eleaf> All I have to say is it would be great if all of you as operators could deploy a system that is more relational to the people you have trouble with.  This would have worked out better if the op that banned me left me an irc notice or something, instead of leaving me wondering and enraged.  Also, it would be nice if meetings could be arranged with those who feel adulterated.  Thanks.
[07:18] <ikonia> your in a meeting
[07:18] <ThunderStruck> the meetings would turn into mad houses but there is a council for ops.
[07:19] <Eleaf> where?
[07:19] <ThunderStruck> Eleaf,  and please the way you stated that needs to be restated as not all the ops banned you
[07:19] <Eleaf> ThunderStruck, because it seems to be guidelines all ops could follow.
[07:19] <ikonia> Eleaf: your meeting with the operators now
[07:19] <ThunderStruck> ther eis guidelines we have to follow
[07:19] <Eleaf> ikonia, but none of them want to speak with me, they say wait for the one that banned me.
[07:19] <ikonia> Eleaf: even if you disagree with why you where banned, just follow the advice and don't do it again
[07:20] <Eleaf> ikonia, again, can I discuss the matter with the ops here?
[07:20] <ThunderStruck> you are
[07:20] <ikonia> I've seen 3 or 4 of them respond to you
[07:20] <Eleaf> I am trying, but you keep telling me to wait for the other operator.
[07:20] <Eleaf> ikonia, telling me to wait.
[07:20] <ikonia> re-read it
[07:20] <ikonia> they have responded
[07:20] <ikonia> you just argued
[07:21] <Eleaf> I asked for a humane discussion, they said wait for the banner.
[07:21] <ompaul> some seem to have said it could be moved on from there
[07:21] <ikonia> no, a human discussion started, you got argumentative and stormed off with sarcastic comments like "why do I bother"
[07:21] <Eleaf> ikonia, I asked for a humane discussion after that
[07:22] <ikonia> yes, but you'd been rude to people and stormed off 1 minute before
[07:22] <PriceChild> Eleaf, _I_ said wait for the banned because you have the opinion of 3 of us already.
[07:22] <ikonia> its pretty hard to be rude to people - then storm off, then come back saying "I want to talk"
[07:22] <ikonia> the people you stormed off on will be less interested due to your behaviour 60 seconds earlier
[07:23] <Eleaf> ikonia, I wasn't even able to talk before without getting told "you have been told to do something, so do it, like it or not".
[07:23] <ikonia> Eleaf: exactly - you've been told not to do it, and your still doing
[07:23] <Eleaf> ikonia, I'm sorry, but if somebody tells me to do/not do something that is against my belief, I will stand up for it.
[07:23] <ikonia> thats not how it works
[07:23] <ikonia> you abide by the channel policy and operators - or go somewhere else
[07:23] <PriceChild> Eleaf, If you are going to take part in _someone else's_ channel then there are guidelines etc. etc. If you defy operators then what do you expect will happen?
[07:23] <ikonia> by joining the channel you accept those rules
[07:23] <ThunderStruck> you seemed to have missed the point of that whole topic. as it was stated you were told $months ago to stop and you havent yet stopped
[07:24] <Eleaf> PriceChild, it's a public channel, it's offtopic,
[07:24] <ompaul> irc is not a democracy
[07:24] <ikonia> Eleaf: its still moderated
[07:24] <PriceChild> Eleaf, its not free speech
[07:24] <ThunderStruck> elnot really a public channel as do what you want
[07:24] <Eleaf> ThunderStruck, how am I supposed to remember to not say something from 4 months ago?
[07:24] <ikonia> Eleaf: because you got banned for weeks for it
[07:24] <ikonia> Eleaf: should stick in your mind
[07:24] <Eleaf> I totally forgot about what they told me not to say.
[07:24] <ThunderStruck> eleasy how did you learn not to put feet on table when you eat with family?
[07:24] <ikonia> as a big "no no"
[07:24] <Eleaf> ikonia, it's a common word I use every other day..
[07:24] <ThunderStruck> eleasy == Eleaf easy
[07:24] <ikonia> but you shouldn't use it here
[07:25] <ikonia> as you've been asked not to
[07:25] <Eleaf> ThunderStruck, by discussion.
[07:25] <Eleaf> I didn't learn to do things by being strucken and dictated at.
[07:25] <ikonia> Eleaf: well thats your issue to address
[07:25] <ThunderStruck> i suggest this topic ends and Eleaf wait for the banning op as we dont seem to be getting anywhere as is.
[07:26] <ikonia> apologies
[07:26] <Eleaf> ikonia, do you believe it's better to learn collaboratively or from a single side that oppresses the other?
[07:26] <ikonia> Eleaf: I believe I should follow the rules and guidelines set by the channel and operators, and if i'm banned learn from it
[07:26] <Eleaf> I'd rather have both sides happy; that can't be possible if both sides aren't looked at subjectively.
[07:27] <Eleaf> ThunderStruck, I'm angry, and I want somebody to talk to.
[07:27] <ompaul> the banning op is not here and it is their ban
[07:27] <PriceChild> Eleaf, follow the advice that ThunderStruck and me are/have been giving you. Please calm down and be patient
[07:27] <ThunderStruck> Eleaf, we tried now you need to wait for the banner to talk to you.
[07:27] <Eleaf> ompaul, well you know why I was banned.
[07:28] <ompaul> yes and so do you
[07:28] <Eleaf> ThunderStruck, I tried talking with the banner in the past, he doesn't listen to me.
[07:28] <ompaul> so I am not debating it - I banned you for the same activity and as I said
[07:28] <ThunderStruck> Eleaf, you dont listen to us.
[07:28] <ThunderStruck> now i asked that it stop please end it?
[07:28] <Eleaf> you are telling me to wait for somebody who won't listen to me.
[07:28] <PriceChild> Eleaf, who said he wouldn't listen to you?
[07:28] <ompaul> so stay quite while you wait
[07:28] <PriceChild> Eleaf, please just be patient.
[07:29] <Eleaf> be patient for somebody to not be patient with me?  I would rather talk to somebody who will listen.
[07:29] <PriceChild> Eleaf, I've had enough now. /me steps away
[07:29] <Eleaf> Maybe if nalioth agrees to listen to me this time.
[07:29] <Eleaf> Think about both sides, just because you are an op, doesn't mean what you believe I should believe.  I may be in a very different position.
[07:31] <ThunderStruck> Eleaf, talk to him professionally not argumenitive and peopel will listen to you. now i suggest you wait for him. your arguing the point is not helping you we all stepped up to listen but you have been nothing but rude. now it needs to end
[07:31] <ThunderStruck> sorry i dont have spell check on this system nor a big enough keyboard
[07:31] <Eleaf> okay
[07:37] <Eleaf> mmmmo
[07:37] <ThunderStruck> ompaul, what is user mode +6?
[07:42] <Seveas> ThunderStruck, unfiltered
[07:42] <Seveas> --- services. sets mode -6 Seveas
[07:42] <Seveas> -NickServ- Toggled UnFiltered [OFF] 
[07:42] <Seveas> --- services. sets mode +6 Seveas
[07:42] <Seveas> -NickServ- Toggled UnFiltered [ON] 
[07:43] <ThunderStruck> Seveas, thank you
[07:43] <nalioth> Attention everyone:  i reinstituted a ban set by ompaul that i mistakenly removed due to lack of information. Eleaf PriceChild ThunderStruck LjL ikonia Seveas
[07:44] <Eleaf> ?
[07:44] <Seveas> nalioth, ok
[07:44] <ThunderStruck> nalioth, ok
[07:44] <Eleaf> hello
[07:45] <Seveas> nalioth, is the bannee ripe for the autorem list perhaps?
[07:45] <nalioth> Eleaf: this means that ompaul is the one who is responsible for your ban.
[07:45] <ompaul> Seveas, it is for the same reason as before
[07:45] <ompaul> and I am considering that
[07:45] <Eleaf> oh..
[07:46] <Seveas> http://blackbird.kaarsemaker.net/code <-- bzrweb!
[07:46] <PriceChild> nice :)
[07:47] <Seveas> it is
[07:47] <jrib> I like the colors...
[07:48] <Eleaf> nalioth, ompaul and others where saying I should wait for you ;)
[07:48] <ompaul> Eleaf well you know now that I am not impressed
[07:49] <Eleaf> why?
[07:49] <ompaul> Eleaf you are a stalker
[07:49] <Eleaf> lol?
[07:49] <Seveas> stalkers rarely impress
[07:49] <ThunderStruck> Eleaf, as he stated he only reinstated the ban that should never have been removed
[07:49] <Seveas> and are definitely not funny
[07:49] <Eleaf> yeah, okay Seveas .
[07:49] <ompaul> Eleaf, july 1
[07:49] <ompaul> for -offtopic if you leave here now
[07:49] <Eleaf> yes?
[07:49] <Eleaf> ...
[07:50] <Seveas> ompaul, heh, making deals with the devil?
[07:50] <ompaul> Seveas, no
[07:50] <ThunderStruck> lol
[07:50] <Eleaf> Seveas, stop .
[07:50] <ompaul> he might be
[07:50] <Seveas> Eleaf, ?
[07:50] <Eleaf> Seveas, you're name calling.
[07:50] <Eleaf> And assuming I'm a 'stalker'...
[07:50] <Seveas> not assuming.
[07:50] <ompaul> Eleaf, full ban from #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:50] <ompaul> we have the logs
[07:50] <ompaul> you were asked ] 
[07:50] <Eleaf> I know this has something to do with me saying the animal name..
[07:51] <ompaul> Seveas, autoremove please
[07:51] <Eleaf> I don't know how that has anything to do with stalking, unless it was elkbuntu ?
[07:51] <ompaul> ohh now he knows
[07:51] <Eleaf> what??
[07:51] <ompaul> we have been here before
[07:51] <ompaul> go away
[07:51] <Eleaf> You said if I was patient, I could talk.
[07:51] <ompaul> you have done and you argued the whole time
[07:52] <Seveas> you weren't patient. You were persistent in being impatient
[07:52] <Eleaf> I was waiting for nalioth to get a fair conversation.
[07:52] <ompaul> you are trolling - here I think wikipedia may help you understand
[07:52] <ThunderStruck> Eleaf, nalioth didnt ban you
[07:52] <PriceChild> Eleaf, and he has arrived and enlightened us that there is no reason to talk to him.
[07:52] <Eleaf> From my side, I see absolute ridiculousness.
[07:52] <Eleaf> PriceChild, then I want to talk to ompaul
[07:52] <ThunderStruck> nalioth, reset the ban that should NOT have been removed that was set by ompaul
[07:52] <ompaul> Eleaf, say goodbye to all the nice people
[07:52] <Seveas> you get more than a fair conversation -- stalkers deserve nothing but a ban and you had way more
[07:52] <PriceChild> Eleaf, you have talked.
[07:52] <Eleaf> lol..
[07:52] <Eleaf> I'm not a stalker!
[07:53] <ompaul> I guess I should comment that
[07:53] <Seveas> heh, loving the /cs lart :)
[07:53] <Seveas> ompaul, please do
[07:53] <ompaul> Seveas, only in extreme cases
[07:53] <ompaul> he is one of them
[07:53] <jrib> I think the n=ethan one is likely to get other people
[07:53] <Seveas> indeed
[07:53] <Seveas> watch #ubuntu now for revenge actions
[07:54] <ikonia> already doing so
[07:54] <Seveas> rock :)
[07:54] <ikonia> and #css which I'm also in
[07:54] <Seveas> there's no ompaul in there so that's safe :)
[07:54] <ikonia> thats the best place to do it though, behind the ops back
[07:54] <ikonia> so you get no-come back
[07:54] <ikonia> no come back
[07:55] <nalioth> you forgot to suggest ##trangle to him
[07:55] <ompaul> nalioth, him and the other spawn
[07:56] <Seveas> nalioth, heh, is that still alive?
[07:56] <ompaul> Seveas, where is the click to comment location - I don't see it
[07:56] <nalioth> Seveas: oh yes
[07:56] <nalioth> ompaul: /msg ubotu @btlogin
[07:56] <ompaul> ahh
[07:56] <ompaul> thanks
[07:58] <Tm_T> bah
[07:58] <Tm_T> BAH
[07:59] <ompaul> done
[08:00] <Seveas> HEhateME, interesting nick :)
[08:00] <Seveas> Tm_T, what's disgusting you?
[08:00] <HEhateME> ty Seveas :)
[08:01] <Tm_T> Seveas:wait a moment, I'm opening browser
[08:01] <Tm_T> hmh, no, no browser
[08:02] <Tm_T> gah I'm totally fuzzed
[08:02] <Tm_T> "The CC meeting next week will, like all CC metings, be on tuesday and
[08:02] <Tm_T> not on wednesday. So it'll be on may 15, 13:00 UTC
[08:02] <ThunderStruck> Tm_T, that because your not using gnome ;)
[08:02] <Tm_T> "
[08:02] <Tm_T> ThunderStruck: more like because of it
[08:02] <Tm_T> someone saw that mail just about now
[08:03] <HEhateME> Seveas, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_hate_me
[08:03] <Seveas> Tm_T, that mail was sent more than week ago :)
[08:03] <HEhateME> :)
[08:03] <ThunderStruck> i havent checked mail yet but will when im done on this POS
[08:03] <Tm_T> Seveas: I know!
[08:03] <ThunderStruck> oh than i got it
[08:03] <Tm_T> Seveas: but bah with only gprs etc...
[08:03] <Tm_T> I missed that one apparently
[08:04] <Seveas> Tm_T, next one is may 29
[08:04] <Tm_T> yup, I hope I have net connection that time
[08:05] <jrib> erm who is "Elk" in -offtopic?
[08:06] <Seveas> --- [Elk]  (n=Ilia@203-59-199-205.dyn.iinet.net.au) : God
[08:06] <Seveas> --- [Elk]  #ubuntu-offtopic #blenderversity #blendercoders +#blender
[08:06] <Seveas> --- [Elk]  irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/
[08:06] <Seveas> --- [Elk]  idle 00:00:51, signon: Sat May 19 18:42:03
[08:06] <Seveas> --- [Elk]  End of WHOIS list.
[08:06] <Seveas> must be sent by Eleaf from #blender
[08:07] <PriceChild> Seveas, and elk3...
[08:08] <Myrtti> what on earth...
[08:08] <ThunderStruck> get to banning them ;)
[08:09] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I'm on earth
[08:09] <Tm_T> are you?
[08:09] <Tm_T> no I don't need any caffeine thank you
[08:10] <Myrtti> I'm not sure anymore
[08:10] <Myrtti> I bought a heart rate monitor today
[08:10] <Myrtti> not a pink one!
[08:10] <Myrtti> my feet hurt.
[08:10] <Tm_T> not pink? why?!
[08:10] <Myrtti> because the pink one looked crappy
[08:10] <Myrtti> no, actually
[08:10] <Myrtti> the pink was suunto
[08:11] <Myrtti> and they don't co-operate with gym equipment
[08:11] <Tm_T> hmh, shame
[08:11] <Myrtti> and the pink polar has is... humm... flesh colour basically
[08:11] <Myrtti> I'd say "girls best buzzing friend pink"
[08:13] <Tm_T> pig! err, pink!
[08:25] <ThunderStruck> ompaul, -offtopic is gonna be a rest of day battle with him im sure
[08:25] <ompaul> ThunderStruck, I think we shall see a little bit of an effort
[08:25] <ompaul> but it will fall over
[08:30] <ThunderStruck> netsplits?
[08:30] <ompaul> yeap
[08:30] <ThunderStruck> it doesnt show up on this hack of a cleint
[08:31] <ThunderStruck> just shows users leaving and coming back
[08:31] <ompaul> anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
[08:31] <jrib> eww windows xp
[08:31] <ThunderStruck> jrib, xchat
[08:32] <ThunderStruck> but yes on xp atm
[08:33] <Myrtti> so, having been away for a while, what's the story of Eleaf in brief?
[08:33] <ThunderStruck> this one isnt my pc ;)
[08:33] <ThunderStruck> hes a <insert bad word>
[08:34] <ThunderStruck> to put it a nice way
[08:34] <Myrtti> I thought he wasn't that bad in -offtopic
[08:34] <Myrtti> but I don't know the recent events
[08:34] <ompaul> Myrtti, he ain't coming back for a long time
[08:34] <ompaul> .  <<<-----
[08:35] <ompaul> to use an americanisim
[08:35] <ThunderStruck> problem is if he had half a brain he can evade the ban but i wouldnt suggest that
[08:35] <PriceChild> its english too... depending on how you read it :P
[08:36] <PriceChild> "period" or "full stop" :P
[08:36] <ThunderStruck> PriceChild, you need to stop beating the crap out of yourself today
[08:36] <ThunderStruck> banging head on desk now slapping self
[08:37] <ThunderStruck> eleaf isnt worth all that damage
[08:37] <PriceChild> I'm doing silly things! :)
[09:01] <ompaul> tis' mr burger, howya goin
[09:03] <Burgundavia> not bad
[09:07] <Myrtti> Tm_T: argh. -->
[09:15] <Tm_T> Myrtti: ?
[09:16] <Myrtti> banana split
[09:16] <Myrtti> I actually start to grind my teeth everytime I see him active
[09:17] <Tm_T> heh
[09:17] <Tm_T> aah Junior!
[09:42] <Tm_T> Myrtti: haha
[09:42] <Myrtti> my GOD
[09:42] <Tm_T> yes hu-man?
[09:42] <Myrtti> "this shouldn't be happening in lehnux"
[09:42] <PriceChild> dajorz is annoying me...
[09:42] <PriceChild> *dazjorz
[10:18] <ubotu> vox754 called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:39] <nixternal> nalioth: talk to your people man, it has been more than 2 weeks and still have not received the updated pdpc cloak ;p
[10:46] <Tm_T> I wonder what happened to my kde devel cloak
[10:46] <Tm_T> did I forgot something or what
[11:27] (PriceChild/#ubuntu-ops) the warning of maybe bots... sounds omnios
[11:27] (LjL/#ubuntu-ops) scared of wallops :)
[11:27] (PriceChild/#ubuntu-ops) omnious
[11:28] (LjL/#ubuntu-ops) he didn't mean malicious bots i think
[11:28] (PriceChild/#ubuntu-ops) well "clearing bans"?
[11:28] (nalioth/#ubuntu-ops) no, they're dumping the d:line lists
[11:29] <Hobbsee> why?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> keep us on our feet
[11:36] <nalioth> Hobbsee: because with a umpetymegabyte dline.conf, it makes the network slow
[11:37] <nalioth> and if you guys have never seen a bot get d:lined you don't have to worry about said bot returning
[11:37] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:37] <nalioth> d:lines make k:lines look like a slap on the wrist.
[11:38] <PriceChild> what's so special about d:lines?
[11:38] <nalioth> they never expire
[11:38] <nalioth> until the dline.conf is rm'd
[11:38] <PriceChild> thanks
[11:38] <nalioth> and that doesn't happen too often
[11:38] <nalioth> they are also initiated in a most evil way
[11:39] <PriceChild> is that a secret evil way?
[11:39] <nalioth> yes, because it can be abused by trolls
[11:39] <nalioth> and i hate klining trolls who abuse dline invites
[12:01] <LjL> pricechild and me? :P
[12:01] <PriceChild> pardon?
[12:01] <LjL> PriceChild: well the description above kind of fits our dodgy attempts at forwarding people without coordination :P
[12:01] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[12:01] <jrib> heh
[12:01] <LjL> it was fun 'cause when you stopped and decided to start back from the other end of the alphabet, i had done the very same :P
[12:01] <LjL> well not alphabet, that would be -unregged kicking, anyway =)
[12:01] <PriceChild> haha yeah
[12:01] <PriceChild> nalioth, have you taken off that script that kills dcc'ers then?
[12:01] <nalioth> PriceChild: didn't you just see it in action?
[12:01] <PriceChild> whoops....
[12:01] <nalioth> it has been tuned and is 99% effective now
[12:01] <PriceChild> i'm used to it being the first thing after the send
[12:01] <nalioth> part of its retune has induced a couple of nanoseconds lag
[12:01] <PriceChild> silly me :)
[12:01] <nalioth> PriceChild: but now, it never misses
[12:01] <PriceChild> Thanks :)
[12:01] <PriceChild> hehe
[12:01] <LjL> D SEND nalioth, i don't believe you for a moment
[12:01] <nalioth> LjL: you forget a few commas
[12:01] <LjL> commas?
[12:02] <nalioth> , << comma
[12:02] <LjL> err, yes...
[12:02] <nalioth> you need 6 more to be a believer