[12:29] only have kde info under there [12:29] waht is the svn version?? === vidd [n=vidd@static-72-86-136-49.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:31] cjae_: a development version pulled fro xfce repositories [12:31] TheSheep, ic [12:31] cjae_: not recommended :) [12:31] TheSheep, undrstood [12:32] btw xfdesktop --reload does nothing === aboyousif [n=aboyousi@196.20.45.37] has joined #xubuntu [12:35] synaptic won't let me select the package for network-manager [12:36] and GDebi package installer says error: dependency is not satisfiable: libnl1-pre6 === zials [n=amistr@74.12.179.74] has joined #xubuntu === aboyousif [n=aboyousi@196.20.45.37] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] [12:37] qaz: what does synaptic say? [12:38] nothing it just has the package greyed out [12:40] how do i add a package to the package list in synaptic [12:40] qaz: it's pulled from the repositories [12:40] qaz: you can add new repositories with new packages [12:41] offline? [12:41] qaz: yes, repositories can be pulled from cd too [12:42] qaz: but if you want to install single packages, use gdebi [12:42] i see the cd is there any way to get it to pull from a folder on the computer? [12:42] qaz: just install that dependency firrst [12:42] true but where is it? [12:42] qaz: better do it with gdebi [12:43] qaz: at packages.ubuntu.com [12:44] if only this stupid computer had an ethernet connection [12:45] qaz: settings->network doesn't work? [12:45] I mean system->network [12:46] you can also access that from the command line with sudo network-admin [12:49] o yeah it would the only problem is...i need wpa support [12:50] i have a tendency to bite off more then i can chew...lol === Riot777 [n=riot777@aatp207.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #xubuntu === unikon [n=unikon@unaffiliated/unikon] has joined #xubuntu === Catoptromancy [n=Miranda@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:25] finaly i installed network-manager but where did xubuntu put it? === fraiddo [n=fred@lns-bzn-49f-62-147-164-174.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:25] qaz: just open a terminal and type network-manager, should work [01:26] tryed already it says command not found [01:26] qaz: you can get a list of files in synaptic [01:27] TheSheep, hey [01:27] qaz: with dpkg too, but I forgot the option and don't have one handy to check :) [01:27] cjae_: ho [01:28] TheSheep, lol purging wine automatically put nvidia in the right place no reboot xserver or anything [01:30] TheSheep, I had taken the (settings) part out pf my config before purge as well. But that had not solved it [01:30] TheSheep, so is that a bug sorry for ignorance [01:31] cjae_: probably, although I have no idea how to go about pinning it [01:32] TheSheep, ok thanks for the help btw === saispo [n=saispo@ryu.zarb.org] has joined #xubuntu [01:34] the command is nm-tool from network-manager === PupUser2347cd [n=PupUser2@62.175.97.238] has left #xubuntu [] === aboyousif [n=aboyousi@196.20.45.37] has joined #xubuntu === Catoptromancy [n=cat@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu === [tokin] [n=tokin@dynamic-acs-24-144-228-60.zoominternet.net] has joined #xubuntu === sparrw [n=kvirc@71.16.203.242] has joined #xubuntu === varka [n=varkatop@84.165.197.192] has joined #xubuntu === mode/#xubuntu [+o Pumpernickel] by ChanServ === ..[topic/#xubuntu:Pumpernickel] : Official Xubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users === ..[topic/#xubuntu:Pumpernickel] : Official Xubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Downloads: http://xubuntu.org/get === mode/#xubuntu [-o Pumpernickel] by Pumpernickel === varka_ [n=varkatop@p54A5E718.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu === ZeroXR [n=deathMia@pool-71-96-168-254.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:41] Can anyone help me out with a Xubuntu install problem? === Raptor45 [n=Raptor45@66.189.94.121] has joined #xubuntu === Catoptromancy [n=Miranda@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:45] I have an old sony Pentium 2 laptop with only 186 MB RAM currently with ubuntu installed... its generally fine but a little unresponsive at times... would it be worth installing xubuntu? [02:45] !ask | ZeroXR [02:45] ZeroXR: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [02:46] Raptor45: I think so [02:46] Raptor45, yes .. xfce it lighter than gnome [02:46] the only reason I'm reluctant to, is my desktop runs Ubuntu and I'd like to keep them the same [02:46] Raptor45: you can put xubuntu on both ;) [02:47] haha, I suppose that's an option [02:47] Raptor45, they still on ubuntu .. just little interface different [02:47] but I think I'd like to stick to ubuntu for the desktop, just because [02:47] Raptor45: I run xubuntu on amd 1.6GHz with half a gig ram, for example [02:47] I posted on the forums about the Xubuntu not being able to create a file system, what could be causing problems? [02:47] ZeroXR: there is a bug in the installer [02:48] xubuntu doesn't use openoffice, does it? [02:48] Eh? Are you serious? What do you mean, TheSheep? [02:48] Raptor45: not by default, but there is a gtk version you can add without installing gnome dependencies [02:49] TheSheep, gtk of openoffice ? [02:49] in the repos? would I see a noticable improvement in responsiveness to make the switch worth it? [02:50] What is the bug in the Xubuntu Installed? [02:50] installer, rather [02:50] Raptor45: not in openoffice itself, but file manager is much faster, for example [02:51] ZeroXR: bug #107259 [02:51] Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259 [02:51] hmmmmm === jadelrab [n=aboyousi@196.20.45.37] has joined #xubuntu [02:54] TheSheep, I'm giving it a shot... That provided some pretty good insight, actually === jadelrab [n=aboyousi@196.20.45.37] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] [02:57] Holy cow..! It's working! My thanks for pointing out that bug, TheSheep! You seriously made my terrible day turn right around! [02:58] I'm leaning towards just sticking to ubuntu for now and seeing how annoying it gets [02:59] Raptor45, it's all in what you want... though for that machine, running Ubuntu may be slow and sluggish. [02:59] The Pentium II, if that is the machine in question [03:00] mm yeah, its on the slow side [03:00] Your laptop's specs are similar to the Sony Vaio desktop that I'm actually salvaging right now. === kurty [n=kurt@dsl-207-112-72-171.tor.primus.ca] has joined #xubuntu [03:01] Pentium II, 266mhz, 288mb ram (default 32mb + 256mb) and a 4gb hard disk [03:01] The LiveCD ran tolerably, but I can't wait to see how it will run with it installed on the system [03:02] ha the live cd runs on your comp...lucky [03:03] hmm [03:03] yeah my RAM is unfortunately maxed out [03:03] It's horrid though, cause the CD-ROM drive is (I believe) a 30x and it has to load every single menu via CD [03:04] it took me like 3 hours to install ubuntu last night [03:04] i had to uses the alternate install cd to get it on this thing [03:04] I was forced to use the alt cd too [03:04] Good lord to Raptor45, I would have hurt myself too [03:06] its also one of the superslim notebooks which didn't have the CD built in to save space... its connected via pcmcia, so I can't have wifi and CD a the same time [03:06] I remember selling those back in the day... (First job was at CompUSA, ugh) [03:08] That must be a painful choice to choose between media drive usage or wi-fi [03:08] haha [03:08] indeed [03:09] probably should ask this in #ubuntu but while I'm here... for whatever reason with the human theme my progress bars don't show [03:09] Weird [03:09] works fine if I change the theme... any ideas? [03:10] I can't think of anything... I use ubuntu primarily [03:10] Even reboots haven't fixed anything? I know that I changed over to the Silicon theme and had to reboot for things to properly render [03:10] nope [03:11] I *think* they worked originally [03:11] Odd... [03:11] Done all the updates too, I presume, correct? [03:11] yup [03:12] it was somewhere in the updating/setting up process I think it went away [03:12] hm... That is very odd. [03:12] Do you get progress bars when you're in another theme? [03:13] yes [03:14] That just baffles me... [03:14] so if for example I run the updater, the text on the progress bar actually changes to white where the bar normally would be [03:14] Instinctively, I can only think that maybe the Human theme may have been damaged... [03:14] I tried reinstalling most of the theme files alread [03:15] That is very odd then, especially if you reinstalled the theme [03:18] Nothing on the forums as well? [03:18] I haven't tried there yet [03:18] Give the forums a search before posting [03:19] btw, asked this on the forum and got no response.. know of any good programs for syncing files between two ubuntu systems? I've already got samba running fine [03:19] Nothing noteworthy comes to mind... [03:35] any know why i can't create wpa_supplicant.conf? [03:35] ..? [03:36] i'm trying to set up wpa support but i can't create the conf file to do it [03:37] hm... === cellofellow [n=josh@geek-30.72-55-209-0.vcn.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:40] does any here have any experience with wpa-psk or just wpa wireless encryption? === ZeroXR [n=deathMia@pool-71-96-168-254.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #xubuntu [] [03:40] !wpa [03:40] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [03:43] ty for the tip === vidd_laptop [n=vidd@static-72-86-136-49.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === Xjdriver69 [n=aaron@m0d5e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:45] Anybody know anything about VirtualBox? === vidd [n=vidd@static-72-86-136-49.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:46] *wave* cellofellow [03:46] hey there [03:47] remember how i couldnt get anything to get thru to my server? [03:47] nobody answers in #vbox [03:47] yeah, I think [03:47] umm is it normal for add/remove programs to say that an app. can't be installed [03:47] shouldn't be [03:47] try synaptic [03:47] well...i got that all worked out now...except my ISP blocks port 80 [03:47] Use 8080 [03:47] everything else is open for me to use [03:47] i do [03:48] it's a little annoying to use 8080. I use it for my desktop while 80 points to my server [03:49] :P http://cellofellow.homelinux.net:8080/~josh/ [03:49] nter shameless plug [03:49] =] [03:49] oh? [03:50] k add/remove says that network manager isn't installed and that it can't be but synaptic says that it is installed [03:50] i was about to put my url in.... === Raptor45 [n=Raptor45@66.189.94.121] has left #xubuntu [] [03:50] qaz: reinstall with synaptic [03:51] vidd.homelinux.net:8080/test [03:51] cellofellow, your page dont load [03:51] :/ [03:51] error? [03:51] its going to time out [03:51] hmm it won't let me reinstall it [03:52] qaz, what app? [03:52] network manager [03:52] you on a laptop? [03:52] yeah [03:52] vidd_laptop: what error did you get? [03:52] you must have an app tithat conflicts with [03:53] The server at cellofellow.homelinux.net is taking too long to respond [03:53] huh [03:53] can you telnet port 8080? [03:53] qaz: sounds like aptitude might be able to fix it. [03:54] qaz: open a terminal and type `sudo aptitude` [03:54] cellofellow, what is your ip? [03:55] that may be the problem. :) [03:55] may be [03:56] 72.55.209.30 [03:56] what address is my homelinux name reporting? [03:56] hmmm the same [03:56] no reply on telnet either [03:57] you sure your ports are open? [03:57] no [03:57] what about http://cellofellow.homelinux.net ? [03:57] timeout as well [03:57] how about mine? [03:58] works [04:00] check your dyndns support tools page and see if your ports are blocked [04:00] what's this address turn up? geek-30.72-55-209-0.vcn.com [04:00] that's my ISP-assigned name. [04:02] my ports are all closed up === ZeroXR [n=deathMia@pool-71-96-168-254.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:03] yeah....i see that [04:04] Does the Xubuntu Live CD install have a tendency to take a while to remove packages at the end of the install? [04:05] well i cut my loses and removed all traces of network manager...now how do i install it [04:07] Add/Remove would be easiest === cellofel1ow [n=josh@69.71.161.45] has joined #xubuntu [04:07] it's broken and won't let me [04:08] in aptitude? [04:08] aptitude should say something [04:08] Ouch... aptitude in terminal? [04:08] can't find it in apt [04:08] um [04:09] aptitude is the most powerful package manager. [04:10] I should be going [04:10] qaz: try sudo aptitude install network-manager [04:10] i know the package is here add/remove sees it but won't let me install it but aptitude can see it at all [04:11] cellofellow, you are up [04:12] cellofello had a d/c I think [04:14] it says E: could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: unable to lock the administraion directory (/var/lib/dpkg/),is another process using it? [04:14] synaptic is still open....close that [04:15] only one app gets access to dpkg at a time [04:15] true i keep frogetting things when i move them to a differnt desktop lol [04:15] happens to me all the time, and i only use one desktop workspace! [04:16] lol [04:16] it can't find any packages [04:16] is synaptic closed? [04:16] yeah [04:17] No candidate version found for network-manager [04:17] and what happens when you type sudo apitude install network? === aboyousif [n=aboyousi@196.20.45.37] has joined #xubuntu [04:18] hitting tab twice will list all apps beginning with network [04:18] gives a command list === aboyousif [n=aboyousi@196.20.45.37] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] [04:19] oh...no canidate version..... [04:19] o nvm i got it now [04:19] its been depreciated? [04:19] there ya go [04:19] tab complete saves the day again [04:19] what were ya missing? === crimeboy [n=crimeboy@unaffiliated/crimeboy] has joined #xubuntu [04:22] network-manager is in this list [04:22] the xubuntu coming with option for install only system base? [04:23] crimeboy, what??? [04:24] the alternate iso [04:24] are you asking if you can install a command line only system? [04:24] have option for install only base of linux [04:24] still won't install [04:24] without X === ZeroXR [n=deathMia@pool-71-96-168-254.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #xubuntu [] [04:24] yes it does [04:24] tank u [04:25] have you dl'd it yet? [04:25] no [04:25] ? [04:25] cuzz ya might just want the mini iso instead of the full instalation disk.... [04:25] let me get you the url === hydan [n=heath@c-71-207-247-195.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:26] :D [04:26] i'm curious to know why windows 98 works fine but i can't get a single linux to display correctly [04:27] to display *at all* [04:27] vidd_laptop: feisty based? [04:27] i keep receiving some error x.org error [04:27] of course crimeboy [04:27] umm [04:27] i like it [04:29] crimeboy, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/386/mini.iso [04:29] :D [04:29] its branded ubuntu...but they are all there [04:29] vidd_laptop: tank u [04:29] as long as you have a live connection to the internet you can install from that [04:31] vidd_laptop: 8.7mb? [04:31] yep [04:31] curious [04:32] all it does is install enought to get you connected to the internet and download the rest of what you need from there [04:32] nice [04:32] is there a character map in xubuntu? [04:33] good for broadband users...not so much for dial-up.... [04:33] but i have issues dl'ing iso's on dial-up anyway [04:33] ;] [04:34] vidd_laptop: have all the gnuutils? [04:35] the mini iso will get your network card working and dl everything else from online [04:40] any1 know how to create wpa_supplicant.conf? === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-23-222.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu === crimeboy [n=crimeboy@unaffiliated/crimeboy] has joined #xubuntu === hydan [n=heath@c-71-207-247-195.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:19] how do u check the kernal version? === mkquist [n=michael@h-69-3-117-123.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:19] qaz: uname -r === Nomemohes [n=chatzill@host154.200-82-104.telecom.net.ar] has joined #xubuntu [05:20] ty... i'm new to this [05:22] that being said any help with wpa wireless encryption is more than welcome [05:24] how do I check processor? [05:24] arch says i686 , but i think I have a 64-bit === Raptor45 [n=Raptor45@66-189-94-121.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu === mkquist [n=michael@h-69-3-117-123.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:35] wondering if the AMD64 .iso would be better === mkquist [n=michael@h-69-3-117-123.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net] has left #xubuntu ["buhbuy!"] [05:50] hello, has anyone see Laibsch here? [05:52] now i have win 2k and i want to install the alternate cd of xubuntu 6.06.01, could they coexist? === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-120-243-30.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:53] sure [05:54] I am using XP and xubuntu right now [05:54] on same PC with due lboot [05:54] be careful in how you partiton your drives [05:54] heh I acidentally gave WinXP msot of my drive when I needed it on linux [05:56] now i have all the hd with ntfs, i have to format all the hd to install xubuntu? or could i format and partiton a piece of it? [05:56] ya I use ntfs on XP and ext3 on ubuntu [05:57] when you partition you can make different formats [05:57] on same drive [05:57] ntfs drives can be resized, btw [05:57] people say that defragmenting is a good idea beforehand though... and it can take some time to move everything around [05:58] ok, so i should clean up to do it [05:58] Yes I totally recommend backing up your files [05:58] important ones at least [05:58] I haven't had an issue with resizing, but its always a risk [05:59] what do you recommend me to read before start to install xubuntu [05:59] i have no idea on linux OS [05:59] if you resize sometimes WinXP likes to keep info at end of drive [05:59] while Win2000 defrags info to beggining [05:59] Win2000 should be a bit safer [05:59] i have win2k [06:00] I've resized winxp without issue [06:00] It reallt depends [06:00] but, just in case, i will make a full back up [06:00] how much stuff is on drive [06:00] like 70 % [06:01] As long as you have Full install CD of Win2000 and backups theres nothing to worry about [06:01] i have the install cd of windows [06:01] 2000 [06:02] i am more worried about the installation of xubuntu [06:02] no worries [06:02] xubuntu shouldn't have a problem [06:02] nearly as easy as Win2000 [06:03] i excpect so [06:03] Partitoning is the only slightly tricky part [06:03] it should have an option to automatically resize your windows partition to make room for itself [06:03] jsut read what it says [06:04] all the problem became with my hardware, i do not know if it will hold to much soft [06:05] i have only 10gb on my hd [06:05] that's plenty [06:05] you can even install ubuntu with under like.. 4GB [06:05] xubuntu is less [06:06] what size of partition do you recommend me to do? [06:07] how much RAM? [06:07] 10GB free or total? [06:07] total [06:07] It needs at least 64mb RAM.....I have a PC with 60mb RAM and installing freezes it [06:07] only 64 of RAM just now [06:08] should work [06:08] but thinking in improve the RAM [06:08] You can always use Fluxbuntu [06:08] or Damn Small LInux [06:08] DSL fit nicely on my 60mn machine [06:08] mb* [06:09] what are they [06:09] can jsut google them [06:09] xubuntu is a much nicer OS though [06:10] but if it freezes, try those [06:10] i never use any Linux OS [06:11] heh Ive tried a few and always came back to xubuntu [06:11] its also one of the easiest to use [06:11] what do you think of ubuntu vs xubuntu cat? [06:11] I dont like gnome [06:11] ive tried debian [06:11] i just decided to try with one because i heard that it should work on slow achine like mine [06:11] I would use Xfce on any distro [06:12] never tried KDE, but I use alot of its programs [06:12] why do you dislike gnome? [06:12] Wondering if I put Xfce on debian would it act just like Xubuntu? [06:13] I know debian I used had gnome and didnt like the menu layouts [06:13] tried to put Xfce and didnt really bother to hard to get Ndiswrapper working [06:14] in gnome I couldnt right click a folder and "open terminal here" [06:14] or at least debians gnome [06:14] Xubuntu works perfectly 110% [06:14] I see no reason at all to even try something else [06:15] layouts, graphics, menus, settings [06:16] what about programs to download photos from the camera, mp3, etc? [06:17] You can download all those in add/remove menu [06:17] hundreds of free programs [06:17] mp3s you need codecs though [06:17] and the compatibility? [06:18] what do you mean? [06:18] i said mp3, i really want to say ipod, cell phone... [06:19] never tried those, cant really say [06:19] but im sure they would work [06:19] someho [06:19] somehow === mindframe_ [n=mindfram@ip68-106-174-142.br.br.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [06:19] gtkpod can work with the ipod, as well as some music managers in varying degrees [06:20] xubuntu does not use open office, does it? [06:20] it comes with it [06:20] at least the word processor [06:20] oh, ok [06:20] cool [06:20] if you need powerpoint , spreadsheet you can download [06:20] I will [06:21] I'm hoping I'll see a decent improvement when this finally installs === mindframe_ [n=mindfram@ip68-106-174-142.br.br.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [06:21] I think this laptop is just a bit too short on RAM for Ubuntu [06:21] if i can make the camera works on xubuntu, i will drop win 2000 and install win98 as a buckup OS [06:22] why would you do that? [06:22] win2k vs 98 I mean [06:22] i like win98 [06:23] hmm [06:23] i only have 2k because problems of compatibility [06:23] I would say 98 is just a bit too old these days [06:23] like my machine [06:24] it is to slow with some process on win 2k [06:24] really? ouch [06:24] what are the specs? [06:24] what you mean?, i do not understand you [06:25] processor? RAM? [06:25] win98 = native dos support [06:25] i have pentium III 450Mhz, and 64 Mb RAM [06:25] I would say native dos support is almost a bad thing, lol [06:25] i love my dos [06:26] plenty of processor power, but that little RAM will kill windows [06:26] dosbox in linux = wins [06:26] dosbox is cool [06:27] sorry, but i do not undrstand some things, here i speak spanish all the day :), [06:28] aah [06:28] is there any chance you could upgrade the RAM in that computer? [06:28] dosbox is the black screen, with the line of commands [06:28] DOS? [06:28] ya [06:28] ahhh [06:28] dosbox means you can run dos programs in linux [06:29] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosbox [06:29] thats the way to do it? [06:30] WIn98 can run dos [06:30] Win2000 cannot run dos [06:30] have any of you see Laibsch here today? [06:30] yes, sometimes i have use it [06:30] oo 65% on install [06:30] had use it [06:31] how many minutes have you been waiting? [06:32] me? quite some time [06:32] I spent about three hours installing ubuntu last night, this is going a bit faster I think [06:32] yes raptor, you with the installation [06:33] I think I started the install about an hour ago [06:33] well, i am going to sleep, [06:34]