[12:29] <cjae_> only have kde info under there
[12:29] <cjae_> waht is the svn version??
[12:31] <TheSheep> cjae_: a development version pulled fro xfce repositories
[12:31] <cjae_> TheSheep, ic
[12:31] <TheSheep> cjae_: not recommended :)
[12:31] <cjae_> TheSheep, undrstood
[12:32] <cjae_> btw xfdesktop --reload does nothing
[12:35] <qaz> synaptic won't let me select the package for network-manager
[12:36] <qaz> and GDebi package installer says error: dependency is not satisfiable: libnl1-pre6
[12:37] <TheSheep> qaz: what does synaptic say?
[12:38] <qaz> nothing it just has the package greyed out
[12:40] <qaz> how do i add a package to the package list in synaptic
[12:40] <TheSheep> qaz: it's pulled from the repositories
[12:40] <TheSheep> qaz: you can add new repositories with new packages
[12:41] <qaz> offline?
[12:41] <TheSheep> qaz: yes, repositories can be pulled from cd too
[12:42] <TheSheep> qaz: but if you want to install single packages, use gdebi
[12:42] <qaz> i see the cd is there any way to get it to pull from a folder on the computer?
[12:42] <TheSheep> qaz: just install that dependency firrst
[12:42] <qaz> true but where is it?
[12:42] <TheSheep> qaz: better do it with gdebi
[12:43] <TheSheep> qaz: at packages.ubuntu.com
[12:44] <qaz> if only this stupid computer had an ethernet connection
[12:45] <TheSheep> qaz: settings->network doesn't work?
[12:45] <TheSheep> I mean system->network
[12:46] <vidd> you can also access that from the command line with sudo network-admin
[12:49] <qaz> o yeah it would the only problem is...i need wpa support
[12:50] <qaz> i have a tendency to bite off more then i can chew...lol
[01:25] <qaz> finaly i installed network-manager but where did xubuntu put it?
[01:25] <TheSheep> qaz: just open a terminal and type network-manager, should work
[01:26] <qaz> tryed already it says command not found
[01:26] <TheSheep> qaz: you can get a list of files in synaptic
[01:27] <cjae_> TheSheep, hey
[01:27] <TheSheep> qaz: with dpkg too, but I forgot the option and don't have one handy to check :)
[01:27] <TheSheep> cjae_: ho
[01:28] <cjae_> TheSheep, lol purging wine automatically put nvidia in the right place no reboot xserver or anything
[01:30] <cjae_> TheSheep, I had taken the (settings) part out pf my config before purge as well. But that had not solved it
[01:30] <cjae_> TheSheep, so is that a bug sorry for ignorance
[01:31] <TheSheep> cjae_: probably, although I have no idea how to go about pinning it
[01:32] <cjae_> TheSheep, ok thanks for the help btw
[01:34] <qaz> the command is nm-tool from network-manager
[02:41] <ZeroXR> Can anyone help me out with a Xubuntu install problem?
[02:45] <Raptor45> I have an old sony Pentium 2 laptop with only 186 MB RAM currently with ubuntu installed... its generally fine but a little unresponsive at times... would it be worth installing xubuntu?
[02:45] <TheSheep> !ask | ZeroXR
[02:45] <ubotu> ZeroXR: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:46] <TheSheep> Raptor45: I think so
[02:46] <aboyousif> Raptor45, yes .. xfce it lighter than gnome
[02:46] <Raptor45> the only reason I'm reluctant to, is my desktop runs Ubuntu and I'd like to keep them the same
[02:46] <TheSheep> Raptor45: you can put xubuntu on both ;)
[02:47] <Raptor45> haha, I suppose that's an option
[02:47] <aboyousif> Raptor45, they still on ubuntu .. just little interface different
[02:47] <Raptor45> but I think I'd like to stick to ubuntu for the desktop, just because
[02:47] <TheSheep> Raptor45: I run xubuntu on amd 1.6GHz with half a gig ram, for example
[02:47] <ZeroXR> I posted on the forums about the Xubuntu not being able to create a file system, what could be causing problems?
[02:47] <TheSheep> ZeroXR: there is a bug in the installer
[02:48] <Raptor45> xubuntu doesn't use openoffice, does it?
[02:48] <ZeroXR> Eh? Are you serious? What do you mean, TheSheep?
[02:48] <TheSheep> Raptor45: not by default, but there is a gtk version you can add without installing gnome dependencies
[02:49] <aboyousif> TheSheep, gtk of openoffice ?
[02:49] <Raptor45> in the repos? would I see a noticable improvement in responsiveness to make the switch worth it?
[02:50] <ZeroXR> What is the bug in the Xubuntu Installed?
[02:50] <ZeroXR> installer, rather
[02:50] <TheSheep> Raptor45: not in openoffice itself, but file manager is much faster, for example
[02:51] <TheSheep> ZeroXR: bug #107259
[02:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[02:51] <Raptor45> hmmmmm
[02:54] <ZeroXR> TheSheep, I'm giving it a shot... That provided some pretty good insight, actually
[02:57] <ZeroXR> Holy cow..! It's working! My thanks for pointing out that bug, TheSheep! You seriously made my terrible day turn right around!
[02:58] <Raptor45> I'm leaning towards just sticking to ubuntu for now and seeing how annoying it gets
[02:59] <ZeroXR> Raptor45, it's all in what you want... though for that machine, running Ubuntu may be slow and sluggish.
[02:59] <ZeroXR> The Pentium II, if that is the machine in question
[03:00] <Raptor45> mm yeah, its on the slow side
[03:00] <ZeroXR> Your laptop's specs are similar to the Sony Vaio desktop that I'm actually salvaging right now.
[03:01] <ZeroXR> Pentium II, 266mhz, 288mb ram (default 32mb + 256mb) and a 4gb hard disk
[03:01] <ZeroXR> The LiveCD ran tolerably, but I can't wait to see how it will run with it installed on the system
[03:02] <qaz> ha the live cd runs on your comp...lucky
[03:03] <Raptor45> hmm
[03:03] <Raptor45> yeah my RAM is unfortunately maxed out
[03:03] <ZeroXR> It's horrid though, cause the CD-ROM drive is (I believe) a 30x and it has to load every single menu via CD
[03:04] <Raptor45> it took me like 3 hours to install ubuntu last night
[03:04] <qaz> i had to uses the alternate install cd to get it on this thing
[03:04] <Raptor45> I was forced to use the alt cd too
[03:04] <ZeroXR> Good lord to Raptor45, I would have hurt myself too
[03:06] <Raptor45> its also one of the superslim notebooks which didn't have the CD built in to save space... its connected via pcmcia, so I can't have wifi and CD a the same time
[03:06] <ZeroXR> I remember selling those back in the day... (First job was at CompUSA, ugh)
[03:08] <ZeroXR> That must be a painful choice to choose between media drive usage or wi-fi
[03:08] <Raptor45> haha
[03:08] <Raptor45> indeed
[03:09] <Raptor45> probably should ask this in #ubuntu but while I'm here... for whatever reason with the human theme my progress bars don't show
[03:09] <ZeroXR> Weird
[03:09] <Raptor45> works fine if I change the theme... any ideas?
[03:10] <ZeroXR> I can't think of anything... I use ubuntu primarily
[03:10] <ZeroXR> Even reboots haven't fixed anything? I know that I changed over to the Silicon theme and had to reboot for things to properly render
[03:10] <Raptor45> nope
[03:11] <Raptor45> I *think* they worked originally
[03:11] <ZeroXR> Odd...
[03:11] <ZeroXR> Done all the updates too, I presume, correct?
[03:11] <Raptor45> yup
[03:12] <Raptor45> it was somewhere in the updating/setting up process I think it went away
[03:12] <ZeroXR> hm... That is very odd.
[03:12] <ZeroXR> Do you get progress bars when you're in another theme?
[03:13] <Raptor45> yes
[03:14] <ZeroXR> That just baffles me...
[03:14] <Raptor45> so if for example I run the updater, the text on the progress bar actually changes to white where the bar normally would be
[03:14] <ZeroXR> Instinctively, I can only think that maybe the Human theme may have been damaged...
[03:14] <Raptor45> I tried reinstalling most of the theme files alread
[03:15] <ZeroXR> That is very odd then, especially if you reinstalled the theme
[03:18] <ZeroXR> Nothing on the forums as well?
[03:18] <Raptor45> I haven't tried there yet
[03:18] <ZeroXR> Give the forums a search before posting
[03:19] <Raptor45> btw, asked this on the forum and got no response.. know of any good programs for syncing files between two ubuntu systems? I've already got samba running fine
[03:19] <ZeroXR> Nothing noteworthy comes to mind...
[03:35] <qaz> any know why i can't create wpa_supplicant.conf?
[03:35] <ZeroXR> ..?
[03:36] <qaz> i'm trying to set up wpa support but i can't create the conf file to do it
[03:37] <ZeroXR> hm...
[03:40] <qaz> does any here have any experience with wpa-psk or just wpa wireless encryption?
[03:40] <cellofellow> !wpa
[03:40] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:43] <qaz> ty for the tip
[03:45] <cellofellow> Anybody know anything about VirtualBox?
[03:46] <vidd_laptop> *wave* cellofellow
[03:46] <cellofellow> hey there
[03:47] <vidd_laptop> remember how i couldnt get anything to get thru to my server?
[03:47] <cellofellow> nobody answers in #vbox
[03:47] <cellofellow> yeah, I think
[03:47] <qaz> umm is it normal for add/remove programs to say that an app. can't be installed
[03:47] <cellofellow> shouldn't be
[03:47] <cellofellow> try synaptic
[03:47] <vidd_laptop> well...i got that all worked out now...except my ISP blocks port 80
[03:47] <cellofellow> Use 8080
[03:47] <vidd_laptop> everything else is open for me to use
[03:47] <vidd_laptop> i do
[03:48] <cellofellow> it's a little annoying to use 8080. I use it for my desktop while 80 points to my server
[03:49] <cellofellow> :P http://cellofellow.homelinux.net:8080/~josh/
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> nter shameless plug
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:49] <cellofellow> oh?
[03:50] <qaz> k add/remove says that network manager isn't installed and that it can't be but synaptic says that it is installed
[03:50] <vidd_laptop> i was about to put my url in....
[03:50] <cellofellow> qaz: reinstall with synaptic
[03:51] <vidd_laptop> vidd.homelinux.net:8080/test
[03:51] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, your page dont load
[03:51] <cellofellow> :/
[03:51] <cellofellow> error?
[03:51] <vidd_laptop> its going to time out
[03:51] <qaz> hmm it won't let me reinstall it
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> qaz, what app?
[03:52] <qaz> network manager
[03:52] <cellofellow> you on a laptop?
[03:52] <qaz> yeah
[03:52] <cellofellow> vidd_laptop: what error did you get?
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> you must have an app tithat conflicts with
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> The server at cellofellow.homelinux.net is taking too long to respond
[03:53] <cellofellow> huh
[03:53] <cellofellow> can you telnet port 8080?
[03:53] <cellofellow> qaz: sounds like aptitude might be able to fix it.
[03:54] <cellofellow> qaz: open a terminal and type `sudo aptitude`
[03:54] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, what is your ip?
[03:55] <cellofellow> that may be the problem. :)
[03:55] <vidd_laptop> may be
[03:56] <cellofellow> 72.55.209.30
[03:56] <cellofellow> what address is my homelinux name reporting?
[03:56] <vidd_laptop> hmmm the same
[03:56] <vidd_laptop> no reply on telnet either
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> you sure your ports are open?
[03:57] <cellofellow> no
[03:57] <cellofellow> what about http://cellofellow.homelinux.net ?
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> timeout as well
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> how about mine?
[03:58] <cellofellow> works
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> check your dyndns support tools page and see if your ports are blocked
[04:00] <cellofellow> what's this address turn up? geek-30.72-55-209-0.vcn.com
[04:00] <cellofellow> that's my ISP-assigned name.
[04:02] <cellofellow> my ports are all closed up
[04:03] <vidd_laptop> yeah....i see that
[04:04] <ZeroXR> Does the Xubuntu Live CD install have a tendency to take a while to remove packages at the end of the install?
[04:05] <qaz> well i cut my loses and removed all traces of network manager...now how do i install it
[04:07] <ZeroXR> Add/Remove would be easiest
[04:07] <qaz> it's broken and won't let me
[04:08] <cellofel1ow> in aptitude?
[04:08] <cellofel1ow> aptitude should say something
[04:08] <ZeroXR> Ouch... aptitude in terminal?
[04:08] <qaz> can't find it in apt
[04:08] <cellofel1ow> um
[04:09] <cellofel1ow> aptitude is the most powerful package manager.
[04:10] <cellofel1ow> I should be going
[04:10] <ZeroXR> qaz: try sudo aptitude install network-manager
[04:10] <qaz> i know the package is here add/remove sees it but won't let me install it but aptitude can see it at all
[04:11] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, you are up
[04:12] <ZeroXR> cellofello had a d/c I think
[04:14] <qaz> it says E: could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: unable to lock the administraion directory (/var/lib/dpkg/),is another process using it?
[04:14] <vidd_laptop> synaptic is still open....close that
[04:15] <vidd_laptop> only one app gets access to dpkg at a time
[04:15] <qaz> true i keep frogetting things when i move them to a differnt desktop lol
[04:15] <vidd_laptop> happens to me all the time, and i only use one desktop workspace!
[04:16] <qaz> lol
[04:16] <qaz> it can't find any packages
[04:16] <vidd_laptop> is synaptic closed?
[04:16] <qaz> yeah
[04:17] <qaz> No candidate version found for network-manager
[04:17] <vidd_laptop> and what happens when you type sudo apitude install network<tab><tab>?
[04:18] <vidd_laptop> hitting tab twice will list all apps  beginning with network
[04:18] <qaz> gives a command list
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> oh...no canidate version.....
[04:19] <qaz> o nvm i got it now
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> its been depreciated?
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> there ya go
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> tab complete saves the day again
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> what were ya missing?
[04:22] <qaz> network-manager is in this list
[04:22] <crimeboy> the xubuntu coming with option for install only system base?
[04:23] <vidd_laptop> crimeboy, what???
[04:24] <crimeboy> the alternate iso
[04:24] <vidd_laptop> are you asking if you can install a command line only system?
[04:24] <crimeboy> have option for install only base of linux
[04:24] <qaz> still won't install
[04:24] <crimeboy> without X
[04:24] <vidd_laptop> yes it does
[04:24] <crimeboy> tank u
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> have you dl'd it yet?
[04:25] <crimeboy> no
[04:25] <qaz> ?
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> cuzz ya might just want the mini iso instead of the full instalation disk....
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> let me get you the url
[04:26] <crimeboy> :D
[04:26] <hydan> i'm curious to know why windows 98 works fine but i can't get a single linux to display correctly
[04:27] <hydan> to display *at all*
[04:27] <crimeboy> vidd_laptop: feisty based?
[04:27] <hydan> i keep receiving some error x.org error
[04:27] <vidd_laptop> of course crimeboy
[04:27] <crimeboy> umm
[04:27] <crimeboy> i like it
[04:29] <vidd_laptop> crimeboy, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/386/mini.iso
[04:29] <crimeboy> :D
[04:29] <vidd_laptop> its branded ubuntu...but they are all there
[04:29] <crimeboy> vidd_laptop: tank u
[04:29] <vidd_laptop> as long as you have a live connection to the internet you can install from that
[04:31] <crimeboy> vidd_laptop: 8.7mb?
[04:31] <vidd_laptop> yep
[04:31] <crimeboy> curious
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> all it does is install enought to get you connected to the internet and download the rest of what you need from there
[04:32] <crimeboy> nice
[04:32] <VR_> is there a character map in xubuntu?
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> good for broadband users...not so much for dial-up....
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> but i have issues dl'ing iso's on dial-up anyway
[04:33] <crimeboy> ;] 
[04:34] <crimeboy> vidd_laptop: have all the gnuutils?
[04:35] <vidd_laptop> the mini iso will get your network card working and dl everything else from online
[04:40] <qaz> any1 know how to create wpa_supplicant.conf?
[05:19] <qaz> how do u check the kernal version?
[05:19] <crimsun> qaz: uname -r
[05:20] <qaz> ty... i'm new to this
[05:22] <qaz> that being said any help with wpa wireless encryption is more than welcome
[05:24] <Catoptromancy> how do I check processor?
[05:24] <Catoptromancy> arch says i686 , but i think I have a 64-bit
[05:35] <Catoptromancy> wondering if the AMD64 .iso would be better
[05:50] <Nomemohes> hello, has anyone see Laibsch here?
[05:52] <Nomemohes> now i have win 2k and i want to install the alternate cd of xubuntu 6.06.01, could they coexist?
[05:53] <Catoptromancy> sure
[05:54] <Catoptromancy> I am using XP and xubuntu right now
[05:54] <Catoptromancy> on same PC with due lboot
[05:54] <Catoptromancy> be careful in how you partiton your drives
[05:54] <Catoptromancy> heh I acidentally gave WinXP msot of my drive when I needed it on linux
[05:56] <Nomemohes> now i have all the hd with ntfs, i have to format all the hd to install xubuntu? or could i format and partiton a piece of it?
[05:56] <Catoptromancy> ya I use ntfs on XP and ext3 on ubuntu
[05:57] <Catoptromancy> when you partition you can make different formats
[05:57] <Catoptromancy> on same drive
[05:57] <Raptor45> ntfs drives can be resized, btw
[05:57] <Raptor45> people say that defragmenting is a good idea beforehand though... and it can take some time to move everything around
[05:58] <Nomemohes> ok, so i should clean up to do it
[05:58] <Catoptromancy> Yes I totally recommend backing up your files
[05:58] <Catoptromancy> important ones at least
[05:58] <Raptor45> I haven't had an issue with resizing, but its always a risk
[05:59] <Nomemohes> what do you recommend me to read before start to install xubuntu
[05:59] <Nomemohes> i have no idea on linux OS
[05:59] <Catoptromancy> if you resize sometimes WinXP likes to keep info at end of drive
[05:59] <Catoptromancy> while Win2000 defrags info to beggining
[05:59] <Catoptromancy> Win2000 should be a bit safer
[05:59] <Nomemohes> i have win2k
[06:00] <Raptor45> I've resized winxp without issue
[06:00] <Catoptromancy> It reallt depends
[06:00] <Nomemohes> but, just in case, i will make a full back up
[06:00] <Catoptromancy> how much stuff is on drive
[06:00] <Nomemohes> like 70 %
[06:01] <Catoptromancy> As long as you have Full install CD of Win2000 and backups theres nothing to worry about
[06:01] <Nomemohes> i have the install cd of windows
[06:01] <Nomemohes> 2000
[06:02] <Nomemohes> i am more worried about the installation of xubuntu
[06:02] <Catoptromancy> no worries
[06:02] <Raptor45> xubuntu shouldn't have a problem
[06:02] <Catoptromancy> nearly as easy as Win2000
[06:03] <Nomemohes> i excpect so
[06:03] <Catoptromancy> Partitoning is the only slightly tricky part
[06:03] <Raptor45> it should have an option to automatically resize your windows partition to make room for itself
[06:03] <Catoptromancy> jsut read what it says
[06:04] <Nomemohes> all the problem became with my hardware, i do not know if it will hold to much soft
[06:05] <Nomemohes> i have only 10gb on my hd
[06:05] <Raptor45> that's plenty
[06:05] <Raptor45> you can even install ubuntu with under like.. 4GB
[06:05] <Raptor45> xubuntu is less
[06:06] <Nomemohes> what size of partition do you recommend me to do?
[06:07] <Catoptromancy> how much RAM?
[06:07] <Raptor45> 10GB free or total?
[06:07] <Nomemohes> total
[06:07] <Catoptromancy> It needs at least 64mb RAM.....I have a PC with 60mb RAM and installing freezes it
[06:07] <Nomemohes> only 64 of RAM just now
[06:08] <Catoptromancy> should work
[06:08] <Nomemohes> but thinking in improve the RAM
[06:08] <Catoptromancy> You can always use Fluxbuntu
[06:08] <Catoptromancy> or Damn Small LInux
[06:08] <Catoptromancy> DSL fit nicely on my 60mn machine
[06:08] <Catoptromancy> mb*
[06:09] <Nomemohes> what are they
[06:09] <Catoptromancy> can jsut google them
[06:09] <Catoptromancy> xubuntu is a much nicer OS though
[06:10] <Catoptromancy> but if it freezes, try those
[06:10] <Nomemohes> i never use any Linux OS
[06:11] <Catoptromancy> heh Ive tried a few and always came back to xubuntu
[06:11] <Catoptromancy> its also one of the easiest to use
[06:11] <Raptor45> what do you think of ubuntu vs xubuntu cat?
[06:11] <Catoptromancy> I dont like gnome
[06:11] <Catoptromancy> ive tried debian
[06:11] <Nomemohes> i just decided to try with one because i heard that it should work on slow achine like mine
[06:11] <Catoptromancy> I would use Xfce on any distro
[06:12] <Catoptromancy> never tried KDE, but I use alot of its programs
[06:12] <Raptor45> why do you dislike gnome?
[06:12] <Catoptromancy> Wondering if I put Xfce on debian would it act just like Xubuntu?
[06:13] <Catoptromancy> I know debian I used had gnome and didnt like the menu layouts
[06:13] <Catoptromancy> tried to put Xfce and didnt really bother to hard to get Ndiswrapper working
[06:14] <Catoptromancy> in gnome I couldnt right click a folder and "open terminal here"
[06:14] <Catoptromancy> or at least debians gnome
[06:14] <Catoptromancy> Xubuntu works perfectly 110%
[06:14] <Catoptromancy> I see no reason at all to even try something else
[06:15] <Catoptromancy> layouts, graphics, menus, settings
[06:16] <Nomemohes> what about programs to download photos from the camera, mp3, etc?
[06:17] <Catoptromancy> You can download all those in add/remove menu
[06:17] <Catoptromancy> hundreds of free programs
[06:17] <Catoptromancy> mp3s you need codecs though
[06:17] <Nomemohes> and the compatibility?
[06:18] <Catoptromancy> what do you mean?
[06:18] <Nomemohes> i said mp3, i really want to say ipod, cell phone...
[06:19] <Catoptromancy> never tried those, cant really say
[06:19] <Catoptromancy> but im sure they would work
[06:19] <Catoptromancy> someho
[06:19] <Catoptromancy> somehow
[06:19] <Raptor45> gtkpod can work with the ipod, as well as some music managers in varying degrees
[06:20] <Raptor45> xubuntu does not use open office, does it?
[06:20] <Catoptromancy> it comes with it
[06:20] <Catoptromancy> at least the word processor
[06:20] <Raptor45> oh, ok
[06:20] <Raptor45> cool
[06:20] <Catoptromancy> if you need powerpoint , spreadsheet you can download
[06:20] <Raptor45> I will
[06:21] <Raptor45> I'm hoping I'll see a decent improvement when this finally installs
[06:21] <Raptor45> I think this laptop is just a bit too short on RAM for Ubuntu
[06:21] <Nomemohes> if i can make the camera works on xubuntu, i will drop win 2000 and install win98 as a buckup OS
[06:22] <Raptor45> why would you do that?
[06:22] <Raptor45> win2k vs 98 I mean
[06:22] <Nomemohes> i like win98
[06:23] <Raptor45> hmm
[06:23] <Nomemohes> i only have 2k because problems of compatibility
[06:23] <Raptor45> I would say 98 is just a bit too old these days
[06:23] <Nomemohes> like my machine
[06:24] <Nomemohes> it is to slow with some process on win 2k
[06:24] <Raptor45> really? ouch
[06:24] <Raptor45> what are the specs?
[06:24] <Nomemohes> what you mean?, i do not understand you
[06:25] <Raptor45> processor? RAM?
[06:25] <Catoptromancy> win98 = native dos support
[06:25] <Nomemohes> i have pentium III 450Mhz, and 64 Mb RAM
[06:25] <Raptor45> I would say native dos support is almost a bad thing, lol
[06:25] <Catoptromancy> i love my dos
[06:26] <Raptor45> plenty of processor power, but that little RAM will kill windows
[06:26] <Catoptromancy> dosbox in linux = wins
[06:26] <Raptor45> dosbox is cool
[06:27] <Nomemohes> sorry, but i do not undrstand some things, here i speak spanish all the day :),
[06:28] <Raptor45> aah
[06:28] <Raptor45> is there any chance you could upgrade the RAM in that computer?
[06:28] <Nomemohes> dosbox is the black screen, with the line of commands
[06:28] <Nomemohes> DOS?
[06:28] <Catoptromancy> ya
[06:28] <Nomemohes> ahhh
[06:28] <Catoptromancy> dosbox means you can run dos programs in linux
[06:29] <Raptor45> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosbox
[06:29] <Nomemohes> thats the way to do it?
[06:30] <Catoptromancy> WIn98 can run dos
[06:30] <Catoptromancy> Win2000 cannot run dos
[06:30] <Nomemohes> have any of you see Laibsch here today?
[06:30] <Nomemohes> yes, sometimes i have use it
[06:30] <Raptor45> oo 65% on install
[06:30] <Nomemohes> had use it
[06:31] <Nomemohes> how many minutes have you been waiting?
[06:32] <Raptor45> me? quite some time
[06:32] <Raptor45> I spent about three hours installing ubuntu last night, this is going a bit faster I think
[06:32] <Nomemohes> yes raptor, you with the installation
[06:33] <Raptor45> I think I started the install about an hour ago
[06:33] <Nomemohes> well, i am going to sleep,
[06:34] <Nomemohes> i have just finished downloading the xubuntu cd
[06:34] <Raptor45> goodnight
[06:34] <Raptor45> your install will probably go faster
[06:34] <Nomemohes> i will try it tomorrow
[06:34] <Nomemohes> hope so
[06:45] <Milicent-Bystand> hello all
[06:46] <Milicent-Bystand> I have installed xubuntu on my old compaq armada m700 laptop, everything is fine...except that my docking station is not letting ps2 keyboard and mouse signals through...but used to work fine with gentoo.
[06:46] <Milicent-Bystand> is this a kernel issue?
[06:53] <Catoptromancy> mouse and keyboard dont work?
[06:54] <Raptor45> woo! booting xubuntu at last
[06:56] <Milicent-Bystand> Catoptromancy: that's correct, they do on the laptop, but when the laptop is in the dock station usb ports are forwarded but not ps2 ports for mouse and keyboard
[06:57] <Catoptromancy> dock station?
[06:57] <Milicent-Bystand> I have an old compaq docking station for my laptop
[06:58] <Milicent-Bystand> but i used to use gentoo and never had any problems, it all worked fine
[06:58] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[06:59] <Raptor45> ubuntu has a handy network manager applet deal on the dock, does xubuntu not have an equivalent?
[06:59] <Catoptromancy> of course
[06:59] <Catoptromancy> its really same thing nearly
[06:59] <Milicent-Bystand> I'm thinking it must be kernel related, because the ports do get forwarded before the kernel starts
[06:59] <Myrtti> I thought it IS the same thing
[07:03] <qaz> i keep getting an error when ever i try to install something through add/remove programs
[07:04] <Raptor45> wow, xubuntu seems much more responsive on this
[07:04] <qaz> i can't install any thing at all
[07:05] <Catoptromancy> qaz, what does it say
[07:06] <qaz> Either the application requiers a special hardware feature or the vendor decided to not support your copmuter type
[07:06] <Catoptromancy> I had that too
[07:06] <Catoptromancy> need to install libs ithink
[07:06] <Catoptromancy> not exactly sure how I fixed it
[07:07] <qaz> lol
[07:07] <Catoptromancy> I just downloaded what it let me
[07:07] <Catoptromancy> and eventually other stuff it let me
[07:07] <qaz> well i'm trying to get thing thing on the internet
[07:08] <Catoptromancy> using wireless?
[07:08] <qaz> yeah and to make it worse it's wpa-psk
[07:09] <Catoptromancy> what kind of adaptor?
[07:09] <qaz> pcmcia
[07:09] <qaz> acx100 chipset
[07:10] <Milicent-Bystand> i cut the end off of a pcmcia card today so it would fit in my docking station :)
[07:10] <qaz> lol
[07:10] <Catoptromancy> qaz, tried ndiswrapper?
[07:11] <qaz> the card is working there is a native driver
[07:11] <qaz> but the driver doesn't work with wpa-psk
[07:11] <Catoptromancy> dunno
[07:11] <qaz> so i will ndiswrapper it but right now i just want to get network-manager installed
[07:13] <Catoptromancy> can try packages site
[07:13] <Catoptromancy> do it manually if you cant get on
[07:14] <Catoptromancy> network manager should be on CD
[07:14] <qaz> it is but i can't install it without add/remove
[07:14] <Catoptromancy> ya you can
[07:14] <Catoptromancy> its a .deb
[07:15] <Catoptromancy> just need package installer
[07:15] <Catoptromancy> it should be on your PC already
[07:16] <qaz> no it's not installed
[07:16] <Catoptromancy> package installer?
[07:16] <qaz> can't find it for some reason
[07:16] <Catoptromancy> try synaptic
[07:16] <Raptor45> did you just double click the deb?
[07:16] <qaz> not there
[07:17] <qaz> the deb isn't there
[07:17] <Catoptromancy> the .deb is on the CD
[07:17] <qaz> where
[07:17] <Milicent-Bystand> uh...I tried running make menuconfig in /usr/src/linux but that doesn't work...scary.
[07:17] <Catoptromancy> need package manger to open it and install it
[07:18] <qaz> but add/remove is the only 1 tht can find the file
[07:18] <qaz> and it won't install it
[07:18] <Catoptromancy> add/remove is missing alot of stuff
[07:18] <qaz> but network-manager is there but it's not in synaptic or aptitude
[07:20] <maxamillion> qaz: where are you trying to install network-manager from?
[07:20] <maxamillion> Milicent-Bystand: did you try it with 'sudo'?
[07:20] <qaz> add/remove programs cus synaptic and aptitude can find it
[07:20] <maxamillion> qaz: wait, why do you need to install it?
[07:21] <qaz> need to get on a wpa-psk network
[07:21] <Milicent-Bystand> yes
[07:21] <maxamillion> Milicent-Bystand: huh ....
[07:21] <Milicent-Bystand> make oldconfig works though
[07:21] <maxamillion> qaz: oh, ok ... well do you have a network connection at all?
[07:22] <qaz> not on the computer with xubuntu
[07:25] <qaz> any ideas
[07:27] <Raptor45> hmm my 30 minute opinion is that ubuntu is much more polished than xubuntu, but xubuntu is smoother on low end systems
[07:28] <Milicent-Bystand> has anyone by chance gotten mach64 rage mobilty direct rendering enabled?
[07:28] <Milicent-Bystand> Raprot45: define "more polished"
[07:29] <Milicent-Bystand> *tor
[07:30] <Raptor45> things are more simplified, and better organized in ubuntu
[07:31] <Milicent-Bystand> do you mean ubuntu vs xubuntu or gnome vs xfce?
[07:31] <Raptor45> don't know
[07:33] <Raptor45> as a random example, to connect to a printer on my ubuntu desktop all I had to do was check a box
[07:33] <Raptor45> and the rest was automatic
[07:34] <Raptor45> now in xubuntu, seems much trickier
[07:35] <qaz> yay i messed something up real bad
[07:36] <qaz> now it's just hanging during boot
[07:38] <Milicent-Bystand> looks like cups port is 631
[07:38] <Milicent-Bystand> this vlc seems very cool
[08:51] <kikr__> is it possible to update all packages?
[08:53] <crimsun> to?
[08:53] <kikr__> current version
[08:54] <kikr__> like with gentoo you can "emerge ---update world"
[08:54] <crimsun> as in ``sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade'' ?
[08:56] <kikr__> yeah
[08:56] <kikr__> I can't find this in the documentation
[09:53] <Piuro> Im trying to do a sidegrade from ubuntu to Xubuntu, and I loaded the packages but it still seems to be loading Gnome, any ideas as to why?
[09:55] <Gerro> think I asked this question before, but does anyone know how to turn off xfce-mcs-manager? I found its configuration in .config/xfce4/mcs_settings
[10:14] <Gerro> Maximilian1st: hello
[10:15] <Maximilian1st> Hi
[01:19] <vlab> Hi
[01:20] <vlab> was wondering if its possible to boot from an cd then selecte the install source from an iso file located on the hardrive instead of the cd?
[01:20] <vlab> -e
[01:26] <ian_> im not sure what i might have accidentally removed, but the transparency in my xfce-terms dooesnt work anymore. it shows weird rainbow patterns on a black background
[01:40] <Boje> moin
[02:08] <sponix> xfce is becoming so sexy
[02:10] <Riot777> I got lil problem why first login attempt always fail for me ? it has something to do with numlock ? anybody got similar problem ?
[02:11] <Riot777> when I first time type my login on GDM first letter I typed is always missing like the first keyboard event would be not passed or something
[02:25] <TheSheep> Riot777: looks like a bug
[02:25] <Riot777> yeah :P
[02:26] <Riot777> I'm using ps/2 keyboard
[02:26] <Riot777> just always the first letter is not reconised/typed then numlock turn off and I can type normally
[02:27] <TheSheep> !bugs | Riot777
[02:27] <ubotu> Riot777: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:13] <Pastorn> where do i check what went wrong during my last shutdown?
[04:24] <somerville32> Pastorn, Could you describe what happened?
[04:27] <Pastorn> it just froze with the shotdown screen (black and has the xubuntu logo and a progress bar)
[04:30] <Pastorn> is there a shutdown log?
[04:32] <somerville32> You might check dmesg
[04:37] <TheSheep> somerville32: dmesg will only show the messages from the current session
[04:37] <TheSheep> I used to have /var/log/everything on other distros :/
[04:40] <Pastorn> i have some dmesg.*nuber*gz
[04:43] <TheSheep> Pastorn: ah, these will be the old ones archived by logrotate
[04:43] <Pastorn> ehm... my desktop icons are gone...
[04:44] <Pastorn> GONE i tell you
[04:45] <TheSheep> alt+f2 and type 'xfdesktop --reload'
[04:47] <Pastorn> nothing :/
[04:52] <Pastorn> i chose to log out and log in again, and now i have a black screen...
[04:53] <TheSheep> try that 'xfdesktop --reload' in a terminal
[04:53] <Pastorn> did that, the terminal dissapeared
[04:55] <TheSheep> Pastorn: seems like you have something very broken
[04:56] <Pastorn> 128 MBs of ram broken?
[04:59] <TheSheep> Pastorn: not necessarily ram, may be some files
[04:59] <TheSheep> Pastorn: hard to tell, but you can run the memtest
[04:59] <TheSheep> Pastorn: just in case
[04:59] <Pastorn> doing that as we speak
[05:11] <Raptor45> sound worked fine on this laptop in ubuntu, then I switched to xubuntu and I get no sound... how can I fix this?
[05:13] <Pastorn> go back? :p
[05:13] <somerville32> lol
[05:13] <Raptor45> laptop was a bit too slow with ubuntu, that's why I switched
[05:15] <Raptor45> seems to have a NeoMagic NM256AV
[05:16] <praxx> hey guys... is there anywhere i can change the start up programs in xubuntu. all my gnome startup apps are starting and i was looking for a way to disable them
[05:16] <TheSheep> praxx: settings->sessions and startup
[05:16] <TheSheep> praxx: then settings->autostarted applications
[05:16] <TheSheep> praxx: finally, clear ~/.cache/sessions/
[05:17] <makki> hi
[05:17] <praxx> :D let me try mate.. thanks TheSheep
[05:17] <makki> how can i add third language in keyboar?
[05:18] <praxx> TheSheep, i cannot find the autostarted apps
[05:18] <TheSheep> praxx: then just clear ~/.config/autostart/
[05:20] <Raptor45> so no one has any idea about the sound?
[05:21] <somerville32> Raptor45, You get no sound at all?
[05:21] <makki> please help
[05:21] <Raptor45> somerville32, none as far as I can tell
[05:22] <somerville32> Raptor45, Did you try playing a song?
[05:22] <TheSheep> !keyboard
[05:22] <Raptor45> and another issue... open office is all garbled when I start it up
[05:22] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[05:22] <Raptor45> somerville32, I tried sending an IM.. I could try a song
[05:22] <makki> yes
[05:22] <makki> i see
[05:22] <praxx> grr... I have gdesklets, awn, checkgmail, liferea all starting when xubuntu boots up and i do not know why
[05:22] <Pastorn> Raptor45: i think there is one in your home folder... in Examples or something...
[05:23] <TheSheep> praxx: either they are in autostarted apps, or saved in your session
[05:23] <praxx> oh.. i deleted from /.sessions
[05:25] <praxx> 1 more try
[05:27] <Raptor45> no sound on music
[05:28] <TheSheep> Raptor45: run amixer and move all sliders up
[05:30] <Raptor45> nothing
[05:32] <Raptor45> maybe xubuntu got a different driver than ubuntu?
[05:32] <Raptor45> my wirelesscard loaded the right driver in xubuntu but not in ubuntu
[05:38] <Catoptromancy> autoloads right driver?
[05:38] <TheSheep> they should be identical :/
[05:40] <Raptor45> nope, ubuntu loads hostap and xubuntu loads oronico
[05:45] <Pastorn> Raptor45: both ubuntu and xubuntu are 7.04?
[05:45] <Raptor45> yup
[05:46] <Catoptromancy> Wish I knew advanced programming
[05:46] <Catoptromancy> I know a nice way to get wireless drivers working
[05:46] <Catoptromancy> a little tool that search for drivers and installs them
[05:47] <Pastorn> you always have the FreeBSD way =)
[05:47] <Catoptromancy> can choose from whatever drivers and finds and uses a test feature to see if ti works
[05:47] <Catoptromancy> How does FreeBSD do it?
[05:48] <Pastorn> has a translator from windows --> *nix system calls for using the driver
[05:48] <Pastorn> at least that's one of the options
[05:48] <Pastorn> there ARE wireless drivers for BSD, but not that many
[05:51] <Pastorn> fuck me... does Memtest86+ ever end? i
[05:51] <Pastorn> i've been doing it for 56 minutes now
[05:51] <Catoptromancy> nope, i think it constantly checks memory
[05:53] <Pastorn> well, three passes should guarantee me functioning memory i would guess
[05:53] <Catoptromancy> sounds probable
[05:54] <Catoptromancy> if something was wrong it should tell you, or give odd figures
[05:54] <Pastorn> how do i check my HDD for errors?
[06:00] <praxx> guys I really  need some help here. Please be patient with me. My xubuntu is not working and i need it badly. My sessions start up with a bunch of apps running like gdesklets, awn, cairo clock, liferea and ff all at once resulting in a crash. My networkmanager is not starting and I have no internet
[06:00] <praxx> please guide me
[06:11] <Rich_li_ny> Xubuntu 6.10 when I click on 'sendto' link in Openoffice writer.. it does not open my Opera mail client.  Under Tools>>Internet>>Email.. it says "sensible-ooomua" as the email client.  What do I have to put in there for it to point to opera mail?
[06:12] <vinze> What do you see when you type "man opera" in the terminal?
[06:12] <vinze> Or perhaps "opera --help"?
[06:17] <praxx> fellas is there anyway i can disable the bg color behind icons?
[06:18] <praxx> make its transparent ala gnome
[06:18] <vinze> I thought so, but I wouldn't know how this fast
[06:18] <vinze> I'll take a look but I think I won't be able to find it
[06:19] <Pastorn> wtf?! from my screen: xauth: creating new authority file /home/alexander/.serverauth.4063; X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.; xinit:  Server error
[06:20] <vinze> praxx, it's not possible :(
[06:20] <vinze> Sorry
[06:20] <vinze> For the labels anyway
[06:20] <vinze> I suppose you meant that?
[06:21] <TheSheep> praxx: http://blog.xfce.org/?p=177
[06:22] <praxx> TheSheep, thanks
[06:22] <praxx> i will look into it
[06:23] <praxx> i really dont mind that.. except for the issue that xfce does not let me control what progs start at startup.
[06:23] <praxx> i hate it.. i hate that it wont give me the control
[06:23] <TheSheep> praxx: it does
[06:23] <praxx> other than that.. i love the ease
[06:23] <TheSheep> praxx: look for that 'autostarted applications' in settings
[06:23] <vinze> Applications->Settings->Autostarted Applications
[06:23] <TheSheep> praxx: it must be there ;)
[06:23] <praxx> nope
[06:24] <TheSheep> praxx: then you have a broken install of xubuntu
[06:24] <praxx> gah
[06:24] <praxx> can it be because of pidgin
[06:24] <TheSheep> ulikely
[06:24] <TheSheep> un
[06:25] <praxx> i know i had some issues when installing pidgin where it had to remove xubuntu desktop due to some issues
[06:25] <praxx> hmm.. i think that makes sense
[06:29] <praxx> TheSheep, vinze thanks for all the help
[06:29] <vinze> np :D
[06:30] <praxx> better off reinstalling xubuntu i guess. this startup is killing me :(
[06:30] <praxx> see you all later
[06:30] <vinze> Couldn't you just remove Pidgin?
[06:30] <vinze> And then reinstall xubuntu-desktop?
[06:30] <praxx> just tried reinstalling xubuntu-destop.. it installed and nothing
[06:30] <praxx> same thing
[06:31] <praxx> something broke somewhere i cant seem to figure out why
[06:31] <vinze> Any errors?
[06:31] <praxx> nope
[06:31] <vinze> Weird...
[06:31] <praxx> it just starts up with the session that i have saved in gnome
[06:31] <Pastorn> how do i configure the Right-Click-Menu? I can't find it in any of the settings...
[06:31] <praxx> with all the apps that i have in gnome -sesion
[06:31] <vinze> Applications->Settings->Desktop settings
[06:33] <praxx> brb in 30 or less.. thanks guys
[06:34] <Pastorn> vinze: no, that'
[06:34] <Pastorn> s the standard menu, i wanna change the other one
[06:34] <vinze> You mean right-clicking "Applications" and then "Edit menu"?
[06:35] <vinze> But that's not really perfect
[06:35] <Pastorn> no, right-clicking on the desktop
[06:35] <Pastorn> where i now have Create Launcher etc...
[06:35] <vinze> And what do you want to add/remove?
[06:35] <Pastorn> yes plz
[06:35] <vinze> What do you want to do to that menu?
[06:36] <Pastorn> add "Start Xterm" at the top
[06:37] <Pastorn> i'm looking in ~/.config/xfce4/ right now but i can't seem to find it...
[06:37] <vinze> I'm afraid it's not possible
[06:37] <vinze> But you could try Thunar's "Configure Custom Actions"
[06:38] <vinze> But I got to go
[06:38] <vinze> Laters
[06:38] <Pastorn> thanks :D
[06:52] <Lectus> Hello! I installed beryl and now the X won't start. it hangs on the screen with NVIDIA logo. Any idea?
[06:57] <Raptor45> my open office interface is really garbled... how can I fix that?
[06:57] <somerville32> Can you take a screenshot?
[06:58] <qaz> yeah there is a buttom u can add to one of the menus
[06:58] <Raptor45> sure
[06:59] <qaz> o lol my bad i missed the fist 1/2 of that didn't i
[07:00] <Raptor45> what's the shortcut for taking a screenshot in open office?
[07:00] <Raptor45> whatever, I'll just use the gimp
[07:07] <qaz> does any1 know why add/remove programs keeps giving me this effor: Either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type
[07:07] <Raptor45> because of exactly what it says?
[07:08] <Raptor45> somerville32, http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/Raptor45/ooo.jpg
[07:08] <qaz> for everything from network-manager to solitar????
[07:08] <Raptor45> huh, that doesn't sound good
[07:08] <Raptor45> something is broken, I've only seen that when trying to install 32bit software on 64
[07:10] <Raptor45> somerville32, so I get no icons and the outer part of the window is all randomly corrupted like that
[07:10] <maxamillion> grazie: ping
[07:10] <grazie> maxamillion: pong
[07:11] <somerville32> Raptor45, I've seen this before. IIRC, it has something to do with your video card drivers.
[07:11] <somerville32> Raptor45, What kind of Video Card do you have?
[07:11] <Raptor45> somerville32, no idea... its an old laptop, nothing special in it
[07:11] <Raptor45> somerville32, openoffice worked just fine in ubuntu
[07:12] <Raptor45> somerville32, lspci says VGA compatible controller: neomagic corproration NM2200 [magic graph 256av] 
[07:13] <somerville32> Raptor45, Have you tried restarting it?
[07:14] <Raptor45> should I?
[07:14] <Raptor45> I've restarted it this morning
[07:14] <somerville32> I mean, the program.
[07:14] <Raptor45> oh, of course
[07:14] <Raptor45> hmm its using a "neomagic" driver
[07:14] <Raptor45> should I try vesa or something?
[07:18] <Raptor45> didn't help
[07:24] <qaz> does any1 know why add/remove programs keeps giving me this error: Either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type
[07:25] <maxamillion> qaz: what you trying to install?
[07:25] <qaz> anything
[07:26] <maxamillion> qaz: dunno ... never used add/remove programs ... read too much documentation saying it does strange things (your current issue being a prime example)
[07:27] <qaz> well i'm just trying to get network-manager on it but aptitude and synaptic don't have the packages for some reason
[07:31] <maxamillion> qaz: its called network-manager-gnome (there currently isn't a purely gtk/xfce version of it)
[07:32] <qaz> nothing even close to that in synaptic
[07:33] <qaz> and aptitude is comming up with nothing as well
[07:38] <Pumpernickel> Sounds like a problem with either a) your repository mirrr or b) your sources.list.
[07:38] <Pumpernickel> !info network-manager-gnome
[07:38] <ubotu> network-manager-gnome: network management framework (GNOME frontend). In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.4-6ubuntu7 (feisty), package size 253 kB, installed size 1696 kB
[07:38] <Pumpernickel> s/mirrr/mirror/
[07:39] <maxamillion> qaz: try "sudo aptitude update" and then try and install it
[07:40] <maxamillion> qaz: that will make aptitude go out and read the mirrors and make sure you have all the updated listings from the mirrors
[07:48] <qaz> sweet found a fourm and i fixed it too bad i need an internet conncetion to install it -_-
[07:48] <qaz> the irony is that i need it to get on the internet
[07:49] <maxamillion> qaz: a vicious cycle isn't it?
[07:50] <qaz> o yeah
[08:03] <Raptor45> "could not look up internet address for SonyLaptop. this will prevent xfce from operating correctly. it may be possible to correct the problem by adding SonyLapotp to the file /etc/hosts on your system."  what's up with this error?
[08:05] <TheSheep> Raptor45: add your computer name to /etc/hosts
[08:05] <benoitc> morning'
[08:05] <TheSheep> benoitc: evening
[08:05] <benoitc> always the morning on the net ;)
[08:06] <benoitc> i installed xubuntu over ubuntu
[08:06] <benoitc> and I have something weird with compositing
[08:06] <benoitc> without compositing enabled I have with glxgears : 30188 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6037.558 FPS
[08:06] <Raptor45> TheSheep its added under 127.0.1.1 .... should it be somewhere else?
[08:06] <benoitc> with compositing : 4589 frames in 5.0 seconds = 917.496 FPS
[08:06] <benoitc> any idee what could be the problem ?
[08:06] <TheSheep> Raptor45: no, should be enough
[08:10] <benoitc> http://pastebin.ca/498816 is my xorg.conf
[08:10] <benoitc> i have also fastwrites enabled
[08:13] <Raptor45> TheSheep, fixed that.... but would you know how to fix my corrupted open office interface?
[08:39] <qaz> how do i find out what driver my network card is useing
[08:41] <TheSheep> qaz: wifi?
[08:41] <qaz> yeah
[08:43] <maxamillion> qaz: what wifi card to you have?
[08:44] <qaz> usr5410 useing the TI acx111 chipset
[08:51] <qaz> there is a native driver but it doesn't have wpa support so i tried to replace it with ndiswrapper but i don't know how to check
[08:57] <qaz> any one know what "driver did not support siocsiwencodeext, trying siocsiwencode" means
[09:14] <darrend> qaz: what do you mean "i don't know how to check" ?  Check what?
[09:17] <maxamillion> qaz: i don't think the driver governs your wpa support ... could be wrong though
[09:19] <qaz> ok so i found out that the native driver is acx_pci with does not have wpa support so i added it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[09:19] <qaz> so that i could use ndiswrapper
[09:20] <qaz> with should support wpa
[09:42] <qaz> but that didn't work
[09:42] <qaz> k i have no clue what to do here so... i need to get a computer that has no internet connection currently to connect to a wpa network using a usr5410 pcmcia network card with a TI acx111 chipset
[09:42] <qaz> any ideas?
[10:05] <darrend> qaz: h
[10:05] <darrend> have u already installed ndiswrapper?
[10:10] <robert98374> Hello Everyone!
[10:11] <Catoptromancy> http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper?highlight=%28ndiswrapper%29
[10:12] <robert98374> Does anyone know if Nautilus would work without a problem on XFCE?
[10:13] <darrend> it probably would, but would drag in most of gnome alongside it.  Why would you want to? :)
[10:53] <hydan> hey guys, what's the menu launcher that has some physics programmed into it? i know it begins with a k...
[11:41] <emotio1> hello, can somebody tell me how to install the themes you download from xfce-look.com
[11:41] <emotio1> i downloaded an xfce theme
[11:42] <TheSheep> emotio1: unpack it to .themes
[11:42] <emotio1> will it be in the user interface settings then
[11:42] <emotio1> or in the windows manager
[11:43] <TheSheep> xfce theme is for window decorations, so it wm settings
[12:01] <emotio1> sorry, but where is .theme
[12:01] <TheSheep> emotio1: ?
[12:01] <emotio1> im a pretty big nub when it comes to this stuff
[12:01] <emotio1> where is the .theme file
[12:01] <emotio1> its not in my home folder...
[12:01] <Catoptromancy> shown hidden files
[12:01] <emotio1> right, control h
[12:01] <TheSheep> emotio1: .themes, and it is, you just need to enable displayin of hidden files
[12:01] <TheSheep> emotio1: and if it's not there, just create it
[12:01] <emotio1> ok, il create it then
[12:01] <Catoptromancy> any file or folder with a  .name is hidden
[12:01] <emotio1> right right
[12:01] <emotio1> i do know that much
[12:01] <emotio1> k thanks a lot dude
[12:01] <emotio1> ok, so i put it in theme, and went to the windows manager settings
[12:01] <emotio1> and the theme i downloaded still isnt there
[12:01] <TheSheep> emotio1: di you unpack it?
[12:01] <emotio1> yes
[12:01] <emotio1> i just put all the files into .themes
[12:01] <emotio1> er, .theme
[12:01] <TheSheep> it's .themes
[12:01] <emotio1> that could be why
[12:01] <emotio1> haha
[12:01] <emotio1> still not there...
[12:02] <TheSheep> emotio1: there should be a file ~/.themes/<theme name>/xfce/themerc
[12:02] <TheSheep> where <theme name> is the name of the theme you installed
[12:02] <emotio1> so i make that, put into themes and put all the unpacked files in there?
[12:03] <TheSheep> no, there should be a 'themerc' file among the unpacked files
[12:03] <TheSheep> and you should unpack them so that that file gets into that location
[12:03] <TheSheep> hi kalikiana__
[12:03] <emotio1> oh ok
[12:04] <emotio1> so what do i do with that theme
[12:04] <kalikiana> hi TheSheep :)
[12:04] <emotio1> er
[12:04] <emotio1> themerc file
[12:04] <TheSheep> emotio1: just chek if it's in there
[12:04] <TheSheep> emotio1: in the correct location
[12:04] <emotio1> yeah its there
[12:04] <TheSheep> emotio1: then it should work :/
[12:10] <emotio1> ok so...
[12:10] <emotio1> i made the .themes file
[12:10] <emotio1> do i then need to make an xfce file
[12:11] <emotio1> and then make a gentle file
[12:11] <emotio1> and then put all the unpacked stuff in there?
[12:14] <emotio1> ok well if i cant do this, do you know a way to change the theme colors with xfce
[12:14] <emotio1> like you can in gnome
[12:20] <Catoptromancy> akk
[12:21] <Catoptromancy> some reason my right click died
[12:21] <Catoptromancy> heh the one menu I forgot to check
[12:24] <Catoptromancy> sauerbrauten keeps reseting everything back to default