[03:42] <moquist> ajmitch: how ready for testing or production is your auth tool? what if we just wanted it for configuring LDAP clients?
[03:53] <ajmitch> depends on what you need configured for ldap
[03:53] <ajmitch> eg it's missing bits to tweak ldap config for ssl/tls, etc
[03:53] <moquist> no ssl/tls
[03:54] <ajmitch> for basic stuff it should work well enough
[03:54] <moquist> just PAM, libpam-ldap, and libnss-ldap
[03:54] <moquist> cool
[03:54] <moquist> how is it for winbind?
[03:56] <ajmitch> it should work for most cases, afaict
[03:56] <ajmitch> except for bits like joining the domain properly can be a bit strange
[03:57] <moquist> heh...isn't that the normal case? :)
[03:57] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:57] <ajmitch> you need this for feisty or gutsy?
[03:57] <moquist> I'd like to be able to use it on feisty, but the above two cases are the *only* cases we're concerned about.
[03:58] <ajmitch> and you need this yesterday? :)
[03:58] <moquist> I hate when big decisions come down to niggling details like these, but I'm prepping for an upcoming discussion on K12LTSP v. Edubuntu, and I want to be able to communicate the full picture well to my colleagues.
[03:59] <moquist> ajmitch: Nah. Next month or two, and I totally don't care if it's an unreleased dev/testing version, as long as I have a .deb that I can install that works for the above cases.
[03:59] <ajmitch> that much is fine
[03:59] <moquist> ajmitch: and I'm more than happy to help test as I'm able.
[03:59] <ajmitch> excellent, willing victims
[03:59] <moquist> ajmitch: Cool - I'm not *at all* trying to be demanding. I was just asking about the current status of the project. :)
[04:00] <ajmitch> don't worry, it doesn't get nearly enough love as it is
[04:03] <moquist> ajmitch: is there somewhere I should watch for the updated package, so I know when to grab it?
[04:05] <ajmitch> well I can try & put it into feisty-backports as 'authtool'
[04:06] <ball> Is there a "live cd" of edubuntu?
[04:08] <ball> hello Sleepy_Coder
[04:08] <Sleepy_Coder> Hello ball.
[04:19] <moquist> ball: Yes. "Edubuntu 7.04 Desktop CD" http://www.edubuntu.org/Download
[04:19] <moquist> ball: It's not an LTSP server, though.
[04:19] <ball> That's okay, I don't have any X terminals laying around at present anyway.
[04:24] <moquist> Burgundavia: you still around?
[04:25] <ball> Well, looks like this download will take about two hours.
[04:25] <ball> thanks for the pointer moquist.
[04:26] <moquist> ball: np
[01:18] <jsgotangco> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6675833.stm
[01:18] <jsgotangco> heh!
[01:27] <willvdl> "Yes people laugh at it, then they criticise it, then they copy it."
[01:27] <willvdl> too true
[01:33] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:42] <willvdl> jsgotangco, problem is...the classmate does rule
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> rule meaning? :)
[01:43] <willvdl> sorry, "Rule" :)
[01:43] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, woot
[01:43] <ogra-classmate> hez hez
[01:44] <ogra-classmate> oops
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[01:44] <ogra-classmate> hey hey indeed
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> keyboard layout change?
[01:44] <ogra-classmate> seems i got a proper squashfs image running :)
[01:44] <willvdl> ogra, they're sending me one of their server boards as well. maybe I can squeeze a classmate out of them too ;)
[01:51] <jsgotangco> willvdl: i am not bitter
[01:57] <willvdl> :)
[02:00] <juliux> hi willvdl
[02:00] <willvdl> juliux, hi. still looking for that poster
[02:00] <juliux> willvdl, thxs
[02:01] <juliux> willvdl, next week linuxtag starts :(
[02:01] <willvdl> as does eLearning Africa :)
[02:02] <willvdl> juliux, I have a mock up, just not a final version
[02:02] <moquist> willvdl: BTW, I was in the air approaching the U.S. when I finally remembered "Gary Oldman", and I had typed in "imdb.com" but not yet searched for "Army of Darkness" when I remembered "Bruce Campbell".
[02:02] <juliux> willvdl, can you send it to me?
[02:03] <willvdl> moquist, legend!
[02:03] <willvdl> juliux, it's not going to be of much use...
[02:03] <juliux> willvdl, hm ok
[02:03] <willvdl> it has no text and is a pdf
[02:03] <willvdl> it was originally outsourced
[02:03] <juliux> willvdl, did you see a nice wallpaper or a normal grafik we can print?
[02:03] <willvdl> juliux, let's take a look in the DIY marketing pool
[02:04] <juliux> willvdl, good idea
[02:04] <willvdl> know of anything that might be in there?
[02:04] <willvdl> apart from using just the logo...
[02:08] <willvdl> juliux, chatting to jono now...
[02:08] <juliux> willvdl, ok
[02:08] <jsgotangco> so willvdl looks like bruce campbell? heh
[02:10] <willvdl> gimme some sugar...
[02:16] <willvdl> juliux, jono's sending me a poster link. I'm also looking in the bzr branch: http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/spreadubuntu/
[02:16] <willvdl> but my internet has almost died
[02:17] <juliux> willvdl, great
[02:32] <willvdl> juliux, anything in http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/Batch%201,%20Posters/ look right?
[02:33] <willvdl> apparently there is a poster there they always use
[02:33] <willvdl> (not edubuntu though...)
[02:33] <juliux> there is nothing edubuntu special
[02:33] <juliux> for ubuntu we have posters
[02:33] <juliux> we will print the highway to freedom poster in din a0
[02:35] <willvdl> juliux, ah. The edubuntu poster I was referring to was never fully commissioned. The screenshots etc. went in but it was never finalised
[02:36] <juliux> willvdl, ok, then i/we know what we can do over the summer;)
[02:38] <willvdl> juliux, I will get the work done on it so far.
[02:38] <willvdl> pity
[02:48] <willvdl> juliux, this is the one jono and jenda suggest: http://diy.devubuntu.com/repo/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/Batch%201,%20Posters/
[03:15] <juliux> willvdl, but there is now edubunt poster an i am only searching for a edubuntu poster
[03:50] <pedrolo> hi all
[03:51] <pedrolo> in my client not respondig keyboard. Only key 2 3 4 and 0 recognize
[03:51] <pedrolo> why? please
[03:51] <pedrolo> keyboard is an ps2
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[03:53] <bddebian> Hello Kamping_Kaiser
[04:19] <Hornypian1> Hi
[04:19] <Hornypian1> I need some help please
[04:32] <pedrolo> in my client not respondig keyboard. Only key 2 3 4 and 0 recognize why? please
[04:38] <willvdl> pedrolo, have you tested the keyboard on another PC?
[04:39] <willvdl> Hornypian1, best just to ask the question :)
[04:39] <pedrolo> yes and works perfectly
[04:39] <willvdl> pedrolo, hmmm. Not sure, never heard of this
[04:39] <pedrolo> in the boot the keyboard work fine, but when login not
[04:39] <pedrolo> only work keys 2, 3 ,4 and 0
[04:40] <pedrolo> i see the support but i don't see nothing
[04:40] <pedrolo> thanks willvdl
[04:41] <pedrolo> i add in dhcpd.conf "acpi = 0" but not work
[04:41] <willvdl> hmmm, weird keymapping maybe?
[04:42] <pedrolo> keymapping = es
[04:44] <pedrolo> not keymapping is correctly
[04:44] <pedrolo> only work trhee keys
[04:44] <pedrolo> and the key 0 repeat very much
[04:45] <pedrolo> not, keymapping is correctly
[05:25] <willvdl> highvoltage, ping
[05:27] <willvdl> urk, erm, brb
[05:28] <highvoltage> willvdl: pong
[05:28] <willvdl> highvoltage, pm
[05:55] <LaserJock> morning Edubuntu people
[05:57] <LaserJock> willvdl: did you see my "roadmap" page?
[05:57] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: still around?
[05:57] <willvdl> LaserJock, morning/evening
[05:57] <willvdl> about to have a peek
[05:57] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: I've got about 24hrs before I expire from edubuntu-bugsquad
[05:59] <willvdl> LaserJock, I know https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuRoadmap is legacy but me tinks I should delete it :)
[06:00] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:01] <willvdl> good page
[06:06] <LaserJock> willvdl: perhaps it should be Edubuntu/DevelRoadmap or something
[06:06] <willvdl> yeah. thinking on that right now
[06:07] <LaserJock> it would be good to put it under "Development"
[06:07] <willvdl> think it needs a "Gutsy" specific name or tag?
[06:07] <LaserJock> well, I was thinking we'd just update it at/after the UDSs
[06:07] <willvdl> deffers. I'd say Edubuntu/Devel/RoadMap/GetItHere/ForGutsy/UntilItsGone
[06:08] <LaserJock> and we can also set the "Feature List" from the stuff on the roadmap that gets done
[06:08] <willvdl> just kidding. Right, we clean house each UDS and use the same page
[06:08] <willvdl> ooooh. you're on fire
[06:09] <LaserJock> so we should have at the end of gutsy a "Gutsy Features" page that would list the stuff we got implemented along with other nifty things
[06:09] <LaserJock> and a link to the gutsy application list ;-)
[06:09] <willvdl> nice
[06:10] <LaserJock> if we need any release-specifc documentation we can also put links there
[06:10] <LaserJock> so a user can easily go to one page and learn about a release
[06:11] <LaserJock> which I think is important for Edubuntu as it's still rapidly developing
[06:12] <willvdl> yeah, it would be a devel snapshot of the info. WE could move "stable" info onto www.edubuntu.org
[06:14] <LaserJock> yep
[06:15] <willvdl> righty. got to run home. still need to finalise the app review spec. bit complicated at the mo
[06:16] <willvdl> I like the way you've seperated tech | infrastructure | community
[06:16] <willvdl> that may work quite well
[06:17] <LaserJock> we'll see
[06:18] <LaserJock> I just thought I'd get the ball rolling
[06:21] <willvdl> LaserJock, is nicah
[06:21] <willvdl> back on a bit later
[07:43] <highvoltage> ogra-classmate: how's the classmate coming along?
[07:44] <ogra-classmate> fast :)
[07:44] <ogra-classmate> i got the squashfs running ... a complete edubuntu-live desktop and still 1gig free space on the disk
[07:45] <kleinmat> dvd?
[07:45] <ogra-classmate> 2gig flashdrive in a classmate pc
[07:45] <kleinmat> oh nice ;)
[07:45] <kleinmat> squashfs for temporary files?
[07:46] <ogra-classmate> no, for the system
[07:46] <kleinmat> loading into ram?
[07:46] <kleinmat> or acting from flashdrive?
[07:47] <ogra-classmate> you take one live iso squashfs image, mount that readeonly .... you take a second partition (ext2) and merge these two in a unionfs mount
[07:48] <ogra-classmate> all data hyou write to the unionfs will be stored in the ext2 partition
[07:48] <ogra-classmate> all data you never touched will come from the readolny fs
[07:49] <ogra-classmate> that way you can squeeze 2.3g of / into less than 1gig
[07:49] <LaserJock> 1GB free? wow
[07:49] <kleinmat> oh that's good..
[07:49] <ogra-classmate> LaserJock: there was never doubt i would get that going with 1gig ;)
[07:49] <kleinmat> do you mean with data you write,  files from the users ?
[07:50] <ogra-classmate> speed was my concern
[07:50] <kleinmat> or also new packages?
[07:50] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: true
[07:50] <ogra-classmate> and its speedy enough now to even run add/remove properly
[07:50] <ogra-classmate> oo.o still takesw 1.5-2min to start though
[07:51] <ogra-classmate> kleinmat: all system files ... even new packages
[07:51] <kleinmat> and then it's merged together with the "outdated" and the new changed files?
[07:51] <ogra-classmate> i just installed flash on top of a readonly fs ;)
[07:51] <kleinmat> nice..
[07:52] <ogra-classmate> right, all rw files are coming from the ext2 partition
[07:52] <ogra-classmate> a full dist-upgrade would break it though
[07:53] <kleinmat> another question:  has anyone tested the new audiosystem coming with new edubuntu?
[07:53] <ogra-classmate> but its enough for the installation of security upgrades, codecs etc
[07:53] <kleinmat> so that you can use alsa at the ltsp thinclients..
[07:53] <kleinmat> ?
[07:53] <ogra-classmate> right
[07:55] <kleinmat> noone?
[07:56] <ogra-classmate> it works fine, what do you need to know ?
[07:56] <kleinmat> ah okay :)
[07:56] <kleinmat> so
[07:56] <ogra-classmate> LaserJock: as soon as i am near a machine with accounts that are not called teacher or student ;P
[07:56] <kleinmat> do you think i can install the new audiosystem ( fuseaudio? )  under ubuntu, not edubuntu?
[07:57] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: excellent ;-)
[07:57] <kleinmat> if i install the ltspmetapackage i don't think fuseaudio is installed with it..
[07:57] <kleinmat> or?
[07:58] <ogra-classmate> pulseaudio gets installed by default in everz ltsp install now ... no matter if ubuntu, kubuntu or edubuntu
[07:58] <kleinmat> wuhu that's great..
[07:58] <ogra-classmate> its only client side stuff ... on the ltsp server side you only install the matching libasound plugins
[07:59] <ogra-classmate> teacher@edubuntu:~$ apt-cache show ltsp-server-standalone|grep Depends
[07:59] <ogra-classmate> Depends: ltsp-server, dhcp3-server, libasound2-plugins, libgstreamer-plugins-pulse0.10-0
[08:00] <ogra-classmate> as you can see :)
[08:00] <kleinmat> installing the ltsp meta package   and adding SOUND = Y and SOUND_DAEMON  = fuse  to the ltsp.conf  and then it works?
[08:00] <ogra-classmate> no
[08:00] <kleinmat> ?
[08:00] <ogra-classmate> fuse has nothing to do with sound
[08:01] <ogra-classmate> also the necessary stuff is already set in lts.conf
[08:01] <ogra-classmate> you dont need to touch anything .... just boot your clients
[08:01] <kleinmat> okay  nice..
[08:02] <kleinmat> that's good.
[08:02] <kleinmat> now i've got a ltsp edgy server..
[08:02] <kleinmat> do you think i can't easily update to feisty?
[08:02] <kleinmat> right with the clients?
[08:02] <kleinmat> distupgrade..
[08:02] <ogra-classmate> rather rebuild the clients
[08:03] <kleinmat> that's not the problem..
[08:03] <kleinmat> kay
[08:03] <kleinmat> cool..
[08:03] <ogra-classmate> update the server to feisty (that will bring you the ltsp 5.0.7 package) and run sudo ltsp-build-client
[08:04] <kleinmat> do I have to remove the old  chroot of the clients?
[08:04] <ogra-classmate> yes
[08:05] <ogra-classmate> but -build-client would have told you so qanyway <:)
[08:05] <kleinmat> ;)
[08:05] <kleinmat> the problem is, it's a business thinclient server so i
[08:05] <kleinmat> 'm a little scared..
[08:06] <ogra-classmate> try it out on another machine then
[08:06] <kleinmat> i try it at a long weekend..
[08:07] <kleinmat> so thank you.. :)
[08:07] <ogra-classmate> :)
[09:40] <LaserJock> hmm, so I just had an interesting conversation about LTSP with one of the IT managers on campus
[09:41] <LaserJock> he's very much a Windows guy
[09:42] <LaserJock> but he thought LTSP was really cool
[09:42] <yuriy> what's the devel channel for edubuntu?
[09:42] <LaserJock> here
[09:42] <yuriy> oh
[09:42] <yuriy> i want to work on porting the thin-client-manager to qt4
[09:42] <LaserJock> we are small enough that we don't need a separate -devel
[09:43] <yuriy> oh, ok
[09:43] <LaserJock> nifty
[09:43] <yuriy> well for a small group, it's really nice!
[09:43] <yuriy> i just set it up yesterday, i was surprised how easy it was
[09:43] <LaserJock> perhaps it would be best to send an email with your idea to edubuntu-devel mailing list (on lists.ubuntu.com)
[09:44] <LaserJock> I'm sure Pete Savage would be interested in it
[09:44] <yuriy> LaserJock: it's part of this spec: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdubuntuKDE
[09:44] <LaserJock> he and Oliver ( ogra ) wrote thin-client-manager
[09:45] <LaserJock> yes, I've seen a fair amount of demand for KDE
[09:46] <LaserJock> it seems like tricky business
[09:47] <yuriy> k, thanks, hopefully i'll get started later tonight. first i need to learn how to use bzr, anyway.
[09:47] <LaserJock> excellent
[09:47] <LaserJock> and welcome to Edubuntu ;-)
[09:54] <ajmitch> hi
[09:55] <kleinmat|lernen> ogra-classmate:   args I mistook?!  fuseaudio with pulseaudio ;)
[09:55] <kleinmat|lernen> ogra-classmate:  that's the new sounddemon..
[10:35] <willvdl> LaserJock, back again. Want me to move that roadmap page?
[10:39] <LaserJock> if you want
[10:40] <LaserJock> it's up to you, oh Edubuntu doc guru ;-)
[10:42] <willvdl> urk
[10:42] <willvdl> sweet. I'll get the ball rolling :)
[10:44] <willvdl> focus will-san. spec first