[12:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are you aware of the bad merge for networkstatus that you did?
[12:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: nope
[12:55] <Riddell> what's up?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/112134
[12:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112134 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager: error while loading shared libraries: libnetworkstatus.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[12:55] <Hobbsee> but nto that
[12:56] <Riddell> maybe it'll fix itself with KDE 3.5.7 :)
[12:56] <Hobbsee> that's the hope, yes.
[12:56] <Hobbsee> that's why i didnt go and fix it, and need another sponsor
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: btw, i got proposed for core-dev
[12:57] <Riddell> proposed?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-May/000111.html
[01:03] <marseillai> is sealne sometimes around here ?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> sometimes, yes
[01:03] <marseillai> i would like to know if he would accept me to do a patch for this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/45026
[01:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45026 in k3b "K3b dont find emovix-2 and normalize" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[01:04] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I want to get proposed for something, and not lashings from a big point stick either :)
[01:04] <Hobbsee> does it still apply in 1.0.1?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh
[01:04] <marseillai> Hobbsee: every version
[01:04] <marseillai> and even 2.0
[01:04] <Hobbsee> right
[01:05] <Hobbsee> i'd imagine it'd be good to do after it' sbeen merged
[01:05] <Riddell> marseillai: only during european working hours
[01:05] <marseillai> ok
[01:05] <marseillai> thx
[01:19] <nixternal> http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/krename.html
[01:19] <nixternal> woohoo!
[01:20] <Hobbsee> yay!
[01:31] <Riddell> anyone want to check over marseillai's work on kcontrol-autostart? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5221
[01:31] <marseillai> Riddell: allready uploaded
[01:31] <marseillai> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kcontrol-autostart
[01:31] <marseillai> if it was what you mean
[01:32] <Riddell> groovy
[01:32] <Riddell> marseillai: who did that?
[01:32] <marseillai> mmmmmmm
[01:32] <marseillai> this one was gpocentek
[01:33] <marseillai> and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kyamo this one was mr_pouit
[01:33] <marseillai> :D
[01:39] <nixternal> Riddell: are there any tasks that need to be done asap right now? or are higher priority?
[01:39] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ^^?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> nixternal: emailing the kubuntu-devel ML, telling them that i suck, and that the meeting will likely have to be delayed till next week
[01:40] <nixternal> that is like telling me to tie a steak my to arse and running through the outback
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which reminds me - which arches do you have of 3.5.7, nad which do you still need to get?
[01:41] <Hobbsee> nixternal: there are meetings on for the rest of the week - the only day with that sort of time is monday night
[01:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: amd64 done, i386 compiling away
[01:41] <Hobbsee> which is less than 24 hours
[01:41] <Riddell> for feisty
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.  and gutsy?
[01:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: doing gutsy after feisty this time (otherwise fiesty won't be ready in time for 3.5.7 release)
[01:42] <Hobbsee> right
[01:42] <Hobbsee> you could always throw them at the buildds, and see if htey build :P
[01:42] <Riddell> nixternal: what's the status of your kde 4 packages for feisty?
[01:43] <nixternal> actually gotta boot up the machine
[01:43] <nixternal> there were lib issues with some packages again
[01:46] <nixternal> Houston we (I) have a problem
[01:47] <nixternal> 2 hard drive deaths in 1 week
[01:47] <nixternal> someone is mad at me
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: building the gutsy packages on brandon's machines would work - there are pbuilders there
[01:48] <Hobbsee> which means you can hve them all quicker
[01:48] <Riddell> does brandon have faster machines than I do?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> perhaps - but i dont think it's an either or
[01:52] <Hobbsee> if you're building feisty on yours, build gutsy at the same time on his
[01:52] <Hobbsee> in fact, if you were really wanting to be evil, you could probably build the amd64 and i386 binaries on his at the same time. *g*
[01:53] <Hobbsee> come to think of it, i can probably get access to some others to do either of the amd64 or i386 builds
[01:53] <nixternal> I can setup a 64bit env
[01:53] <Hobbsee> which should build things 3x as fast, as it's split between 3 machines
[01:53] <nixternal> just need to swap out hard drives and rebuild this setup really quick
[01:53] <Riddell> well gutsy only needs one arch, then it just gets uploaded to the archive
[01:54] <nixternal> true
[01:54] <Hobbsee> right
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where are these sources then, and how are you bulding them?
[01:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sources for 3.5.7 are only on ktown
[01:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you need a login for that?
[01:58] <Riddell> which I think I can give out access to if you want them
[01:58] <Hobbsee> that'd be good
[01:58] <Hobbsee> and which order are you building them in?
[01:58] <Riddell> I follow this for order http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/docs/people.html
[01:59] <Riddell> e-mail me your ssh public key for access
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's on LP, i'll grab you teh link
[01:59] <Riddell> oh aye
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/%7Ehobbsee/+sshkeys
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, the build access please?    :)
[02:18] <Riddell> you should be able to log into ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: seems to think i'ts a mail address
[02:22] <Riddell> what does?
[02:22] <nixternal> ssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[02:22] <Hobbsee> konqueror
[02:22] <Hobbsee> ahh, with ssh
[02:22] <nixternal> lol
[02:22] <nixternal> fish://ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org :)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and then i have to figure out where htey are...
[02:25] <Riddell> stable/3.5.7/
[02:25] <Riddell> *bz2
[02:26] <Riddell> I'm away to bed, if you're up for doing arts, kdelibs, kdebase etc until you fall asleep that would be great
[02:26] <Hobbsee> grah...but where's stable?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> what's your starting dir?
[02:26] <Riddell> //home/packager/ftpubuntu/
[02:27] <Hobbsee> bah.  the one place i didnt try
[02:27] <Riddell> common patches need updating (svn co svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-kde/trunk/common-patches/)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do these have debian/ already in them, or what?
[02:28] <Riddell> as do various other patches, kdegraphics and kdepim are the worst
[02:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no they don't, you need to apt-get source kdefoo  from gutsy
[02:28] <Riddell> make the .orig
[02:28] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:28] <Riddell> copy over the debian dir
[02:28] <Riddell> dch for the new version
[02:28] <Hobbsee> i thought you'd done them for feisty, and wer egoing to use the same tarballs for gutsy
[02:28] <Riddell> and work out which patches need updated/removed
[02:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the stuff I've done for feisty is very quick and hacky, it's not a good starting point
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.  and debian's version?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> seeing as i believe they have tarballs already?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> and duplicating work == bad.
[02:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not sure where debian have their .orig tars, you'd need to ask
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i've got it in my backscroll - my question was more "are we taking their work to start with, or are we upgrading just from the ubuntu sources?)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> s/)/"/
[02:32] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I've already merged with debian for gutsy, but they will have updated patches that we can use
[02:32] <Hobbsee> where they == ?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> they == upstream kde, or they == debian?
[02:33] <Riddell> they == debian
[02:33] <Riddell> svn co svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-kde/trunk/packages/
[02:33] <Hobbsee> oh right, so taking the upstream kde, taking the debian packages and updating ours with them, then building
[02:34] <Hobbsee> rather than just pulling the debian tarballs, which i believe are finished, and adding anything ubuntu specific.
[02:34] <Riddell> take the debian .orig.tar.gz's if you can get them, take our packaging and update the patches from debian
[02:34] <Hobbsee> which seems odd to me - but i may well be missing something
[02:35] <Hobbsee> right.  which means i wouldnt need to use ktown, per se.
[02:35] <Hobbsee> gotcha.
[02:35] <Riddell> remember to ignore debian's 98_buildprep patches of course
[02:36] <Hobbsee> any others to be wary of?
[02:38] <Riddell> I usually scrap 01_branch patches too
[02:39] <Riddell> and do make -f debian/rules buildprep  until everything applies
[02:40] <Hobbsee> where everything == all the patches?
[02:40] <Riddell> yes
[02:40] <Riddell> various patches will have been applied upstream for 3.5.7 so they can just go
[02:41] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:41] <Riddell> buildprep applies patches then runs autotools
[02:41] <Hobbsee> ahhh...i see
[02:41] <Riddell> then unapplies patches
[02:41] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[02:41] <Hobbsee> useful
[02:43] <nixternal> dpkg-scanpackage /var/cache/pbuilder/kde4/result/ > Package
[02:43] <nixternal> is that correct?
[02:45] <Riddell> apt-ftparchive packages [directory]  > Packages
[02:46] <nixternal> or that...thanks
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sounds doable.  well, more to the point, it sounds like a challenge which will eventually be doable.
[02:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: groovy, good luck, I'm off to snooze
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: have a good sleep
[03:31] <jjesse> evening :)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse :)
[03:32] <jjesse> how are you Hobbsee?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i'm looking into doing the kde 3.5.7 for gutsy
[03:32] <jjesse> oh fun
[03:32] <jjesse> i just got to my hotel for the week
[03:32] <Hobbsee> but i cant seem to find qt-x11-free for 3.5.7, which it appears that i'll need as a dep for everything else.
[03:33] <Jucato> ooh hi Hobbsee!
[03:33] <Jucato> hi jjesse
[03:33] <jjesse> hiya Jucato
[03:33] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato!
[03:33] <Jucato> Hobbsee: can't find qt where?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> on ktown
[03:34] <Jucato> oh... hehe I don't know ktown (yet) :P
[03:34] <jjesse> what is ktown?
[03:34] <Jucato> maybe it's name as qt-copy?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: possibly, but i cant see anything startign with a q, or similarly named
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  looking at the changelog for qt-x11-free, i'm suspecting it doesnt actually release at the same time kde does
[03:43] <Jucato> speaking of that...
[03:45] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[03:46] <Jucato> hm...I presume it's ok to have 2 agenda topics from one person? :D
[03:46] <Hobbsee> of course
[03:46] <Hobbsee> but the meeting's going to have to delay to next week
[03:46] <Hobbsee> dont you remember my entire list?
[03:46] <Jucato> er no...
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ahh
[04:21] <Hobbsee> okay, so it's just the libtool patch that dies.
[04:22] <nixternal> build-dep on libtool & automake1.10?
[04:22] <nixternal> I had that issue with krename
[04:22] <nixternal> relibtoolization at build time is better than the patch
[04:26] <Hobbsee> it's a debian patch for it, so it should apply
[04:27] <nixternal> ya it should
[04:28] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:43] <Hobbsee> i think i killed it.
[04:46] <nixternal> I am finally back to building KDE 4 Alpha on amd64
[04:46] <nixternal> lets see how these new debs rock out
[04:47] <nixternal> damn, I forgot to add 'dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages' to my script
[04:47] <nixternal> ahh, libstreamanalyzer.so craps out again
[04:47] <nixternal> yay
[04:53] <Hobbsee> blerg.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> i dont understand this at all.
[04:58] <nixternal> don't try to build KDE 4 Alpha packages on a Gutsy box...libstreamer is a pain in the arse ;)
[04:58] <nixternal> jesus I totally forgot I dist-upgraded that box
[05:00] <nixternal> argh, wth is up with sata dvd drives and booting from them
[05:07] <Hobbsee> OH FUCKING HELL.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i hate ID10T errors.
[05:11] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:11] <nixternal> me too Hobbsee, me too
[05:12] <Hobbsee> ooh, idiot error x2!!!
[05:13] <Hobbsee> i cant *believe* i did that.
[05:14] <nixternal> lol
[05:15] <Hobbsee> wonder how long arts takes to build...
[05:15] <nixternal> forever
[05:16] <nixternal> actually, not as long as kdelibs
[05:16] <Hobbsee> right
[05:16] <Hobbsee> so i might not do this l ocally
[05:40] <Hobbsee> arts is done.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> nwo for kdelibs.
[05:51] <ajmitch> intuition & random guesswork
[05:51] <Hobbsee> right
[06:03] <mhb> Hobbsee: I'm happy that "you suck", actually :o)
[06:04] <mhb> Hobbsee: (I mean the date's better for me)
[06:04] <Hobbsee> right, yeah
[06:20] <Hobbsee> argh.  now i know nothing about xinerama.
[06:22] <Hobbsee> and a constant's been redefined.
[06:27] <Jucato> Hobbsee: is there a new date for the meeting?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> Jucato: next week
[06:27] <Hobbsee> apart from that, no
[06:27] <Jucato> ok. that'll do :)
[06:29] <Hobbsee> ahh, here we go
[06:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:32] <Hobbsee> i wish
[06:33] <Jucato> I'm kinda getting tired of telling people who encounter "it might break something" error messages to just use apt-get :)
[06:50] <Hobbsee> 90% done
[07:13] <Hobbsee> yay, kdelibs building
[08:43] <_marseillais> hi everybody
[08:43] <_marseillais> good morning
[08:43] <Hobbsee> hiya
[08:44] <_marseillais> hi Hobbsee  :)
[08:45] <_marseillais> this night i receive an email with this attachment : i've http://librarian.launchpad.net/7722744/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-ia64.kyamo_0.40%2B0.4a-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz and another one for another package! is this my error? i've done something wrong with my package? or is it only a build problem and waiting will solve it?
[08:45] <Hobbsee> _marseillais:
[08:45] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: depends what the error is
[08:46] <_marseillais> it's in the attachment Hobbsee
[08:46] <Hobbsee> that looks to be a problem with the buildds
[08:46] <Hobbsee> so just wait, and i'tll be given back
[08:46] <_marseillais> a problem to access repo
[08:46] <_marseillais> oki
[08:46] <Hobbsee> if it's not done in a few days (maybe a week, a severything's being declined at the moment, then ask an archive admin for a giveback of it)
[08:46] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:58] <_marseillais> oki
[08:58] <_marseillais> sorry for delay i'm at work
[08:59] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, do you know if there are some "easy task" to do? by easy i mean wich doesn't take too many time and too many skills
[08:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i've got arts, but kdelibs has ftbfs and i'm not sure why yet.  sources and binaries are at hobbsee.ubuntuwire.com
[09:00] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: usually marked as bitesize on LP
[09:01] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:09] <Arby> who is the person to talk to about language support in kubuntu?
[10:10] <Arby> and do they have a minute to look at bug 113145?
[10:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113145 in language-support-fr "language-support-fr does not install on Feisty Fawn (7.04)." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113145
[11:31] <nuu> hi guys
[11:31] <nuu> does anybody know of a good introduction/tutorial to programming kio slaves ?
[11:34] <Riddell> http://www.heise.de/ct/english/01/05/242/ ?
[11:34] <Riddell> but it's a #kde-devel question
[11:37] <nuu> thanks
[11:43] <Riddell> start by learning programming language X
[11:44] <Riddell> read tutorials for Qt programming in X
[11:44] <_marseillais> Riddell, i don't find one enough easy for me
[11:44] <Riddell> look at small examples of programmes in KDE
[11:44] <Riddell> start fixing things
[11:44] <_marseillais> i need something wich take me by hand
[11:49] <crimsun> Personally, PyQt or PyKDE is a dream.
[11:57] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hey, hows the patch coming ? :)
[11:58] <Riddell> _StefanS_: remind me again which patch that is?
[11:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its the patch that takes care of the nonworking restart/reboot, and localization issues in the logout
[12:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: sent on 2007-05-07 00:03
[12:02] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I've made a note to include it when I do the 3.5.7 packages for gutsy
[12:02] <_StefanS_> Riddell: oh.. I think those people on the bug reports want it in feisty
[12:03] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thats not up to me ofcourse, but shouldn't bugfixes go with the version it was reported in ?
[12:04] <kwwii> Riddell: do you know where there is a vertical kubuntu logo?
[12:04] <_StefanS_> kwwii: on the kmenu ?
[12:05] <Riddell> kwwii: nope, you're the logo maker :)
[12:05] <kwwii> _StefanS_: actually, that is a good idea
[12:05] <_StefanS_> kwwii: well until I saw its not there anymore :)
[12:05] <_StefanS_> kwwii: probably saw it in edgy
[12:06] <kwwii> _StefanS_: it should also be there in feisty
[12:06] <kwwii> unless someone changed something and didn't mention it
[12:06] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I just have some gears and bluish background
[12:06] <kwwii> _StefanS_: right, that is the one from edgy
[12:07] <kwwii> dapper had a normal logo turned 90
[12:08] <kwwii> Riddell: do you want to answer Gerrys mail or should I?
[12:08] <Riddell> kwwii: yes
[12:09] <Riddell> kwwii: about akademy marketing contact?
[12:09] <kwwii> Riddell: yes
[12:09] <kwwii> I would suggest talking to sebas, I guess
[12:10] <Riddell> I'm not sure what he means actually
[12:10] <Riddell> I'll answer it
[12:11] <kwwii> well, he needs to talk to someone who knows where/how to get the right information about the stuff from last year as well as the requirements, etc. for this year
[12:13] <kwwii> remember the problems we had last year with the border, etc.? that is just one thing that can go wrong in the planning
[12:14] <Riddell> e-mailed
[12:14] <Riddell> zander did it last year
[12:14] <Riddell> this year it's not clear who's doing it
[12:14] <kwwii> right, got it...seems good enough for a start
[12:15] <kwwii> hehe, who is going to scribus hell?
[12:15] <_StefanS_> Riddell: so, should write on the bugreports that it will be fixed in gutsy only ?
[12:15] <_StefanS_> (should I write)
[12:15] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes, it won't pass the strict requirements for a SRU
[12:16] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ok
[12:16] <_StefanS_> Riddell: where are those specs anyways+
[12:16] <Riddell> which specs?  SRU?
[12:16] <_StefanS_> yes
[12:16] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/StableReleaseUpdates
[12:16] <_StefanS_> so that I know that next time
[12:17] <_StefanS_> well I see your point
[12:17] <_StefanS_> hotkeys not being correct on localized kubuntus is not very critical hehe
[12:17] <_StefanS_> btw, there will be a knetworkmanager 0.2 soon (from the knm mailinglist)
[12:18] <Riddell> ooh, cool
[12:22] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yes, and with luck my LEAP patch will make it too, so that will all result in people being able to easier connect to corporate wlan that has Cisco equipment in them
[12:22] <_StefanS_> Riddell: phase2 eap seems to make it too
[02:04] <\sh> Riddell, could you have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/86824 if we can apply it to kdelibs-data ?
[02:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86824 in wine "wine installed apps menus problems" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[02:07] <Riddell> \sh: so long as it doesn't cause other problems
[02:09] <\sh> Riddell, we can revert the entry if there are pitfalls ...
[02:11] <Riddell> \sh: I've made a note to include it with 3.5.7 in gutsy
[02:11] <\sh> cool
[02:11] <\sh> Riddell, thx
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how goes it?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: your patch - which package was it against?
[02:40] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: kdebase(ksmserver)
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ca va
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: in english?
[02:41] <Jucato> heh funny I asked the same question from _StefanS_ a few days ago :)
[02:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it goes
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you want to hear the status on the kde packages?
[02:43] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you got arts done but you got stuck on kdelibs?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, fails to build, and i cant actually see why, in amongst all the warnings
[02:46] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: is it something I can help you with?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: dunno.
[02:46] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: heh.... okay. :)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: sources are at hobbsee.ubuntuwire.com/kdelibs, iirc
[02:47] <Jucato> _StefanS_: btw, iirc, someone from #kde was wondering if the logout patch is available outside of kubuntu (like in kde-apps.org)
[02:47] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ah thats nice :) - someone might actually appreciate it hehe
[02:48] <Jucato> _StefanS_: some appreciate it. some hate it. that's life :)
[02:48] <_StefanS_> Jucato: guess so :) - well it isnt available at the moment, but I could probably put it online there
[02:48] <_StefanS_> Jucato: how did they expect it to be packaged?
[02:49] <Jucato> _StefanS_: dunno really. he/she was just wondering. usually patches are just sumbitted there as patches... :)
[02:49] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well I can put it there, later on probably. Then people can take it where they want to :)
[02:50] <Jucato> yep. :)
[02:50] <Jucato> of course, nice screenshots would be extra sweet :)
[02:51] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I know. Screenshots work :D
[02:51] <_StefanS_> Jucato: btw, kdm is usually localized, isn't it?
[02:51] <Jucato> I think so
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if you could look at / help me out with kdelibs at some point, i'd appreciate it
[03:06] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: got a log, I can try to help you
[03:06] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: i dont :(
[03:06] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: i didnt pipe it out of the pbuilder, as i didnt think of it
[03:06] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: oh, well I dont have pbuilder set up anyways so I wont be able to help
[03:06] <Hobbsee> or a chroot
[03:08] <_marseillais> Riddell, when you'll release kde3.5.7 i'll make a debdiff including kopete_emoticon_manager and send it for a revu for gutsy. I'll of course test it before but do you want me to send it to you for your kubuntu repo ?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: please CC me on any mail about it.  and file a bug about kdenetwork with the debdiff
[03:09] <_marseillais> mmmmmmmmmmm
[03:09] <_marseillais> no
[03:10] <Hobbsee> (because i tend to touch kdenetwork - or used to)
[03:10] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, no i'll not
[03:10] <Hobbsee> okay then....
[03:10] <_marseillais> because i don't have your email Hobbsee ! :)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: it's on launchpad.  it's also fairly obvious
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hobbsee@ubuntu.com / hobbsee@kubuntu.org
[03:11] <_marseillais> i beg you pardon .... i'm trying to be funny because my teeth hurts me a lot...
[03:11] <_marseillais> oki easy i'll remember
[03:11] <_StefanS_> does it hurt more now ? :D
[03:12] <_marseillais> _StefanS_, too late
[03:13] <_marseillais> my doctor removes two of my wisdom teeth on thursday
[03:13] <_StefanS_> _marseillais: the ones in the lower jaw hurts most to get removed, I remember :)
[03:15] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: thats not obvious about your email. Your handle has an uppercase H and you email dont.
[03:15] <_StefanS_> hehe
[03:15] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: i dont believe it's case sensitive
[03:15] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: its not ;)
[03:15] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: just kidding
[03:15] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:20] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: doesnt exist yet for gutsy, for the most part
[03:20] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, yes but feisty one is for the moment enough
[03:20] <_marseillais> like that i'll be able to see if the patch apply better on kde3.5.7 than 3.5.6
[03:21] <_marseillais> and perhaps even test it
[03:45] <mhb> hi all
[03:45] <bleep> hi mhb
[03:45] <mhb> even bleeps and people having problems with teeth
[03:46] <mhb> :o)
[03:46] <bleep> manchicken|away: ping?
[03:46] <bleep> #4  0xb7a2c7f0 in nanosleep () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[03:46] <bleep> #5  0xb7a2c63f in sleep () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[03:46] <bleep> #6  0xb7828bd9 in KCrash::startDrKonqi (argv=0xbf88221c, argc=17)
[03:46] <bleep>     at /build/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.6/./kdecore/kcrash.cpp:312
[03:46] <bleep> #7  0xb783f52e in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler (sig=11)
[03:46] <bleep>     at /build/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.6/./kdecore/kcrash.cpp:229
[03:46] <bleep> was the backtrace of the system settings crash
[03:48] <mhb> Shiny: don't people get kicked for changing their nicks often? :o)
[03:48] <Shiny> mhb: depends on the mood of the ops
[03:48] <mhb> Shiny: and don't forget those who |away themselves
[03:48] <mhb> :o)
[03:49] <mhb> Shiny: sorry for having fun, I saw you (as bleep) poke manchicken|away and I couldn't resist :o)
[03:49] <Shiny> :P
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya
[03:54] <_marseillais> does anyone allready work on that : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kiosktool/+bug/6306 ??
[03:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 6306 in kiosktool "Kiosk admin tool tries to login with root account " [Medium,Confirmed] 
[03:55] <Riddell> marseillais: it's a spec https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKiosktool
[03:55] <Riddell> _marseillais: feel free to take it on
[03:55] <Riddell> but let me know so I can assign it appropriately
[03:56] <_marseillais> Riddell, i mostly feel free to look at it. absolutly not sure i can do anything!
[03:56] <_marseillais> but i really thing it would be good to have it in kubuntu
[03:56] <_marseillais> so i'll take a look
[03:57] <_marseillais> why we can't see kubuntu gutsy spec for the moment ?
[03:57] <Riddell> _marseillais: what do you mean?
[03:58] <_marseillais> is there anywhere a list of spec like this one : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKiosktool ?
[03:59] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+specs is the gutsy specs but I think I need to target the kubuntu ones for gutsy first
[04:00] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/
[04:00] <Riddell> that's the ones we did at sevilla
[04:00] <_marseillais> does the job for kiosktool need big C++, Qt, Linux skills and to be start right now? if it is the case i don't think i can do it. if it's not i'll take a look after the two packaging things i want to do
[04:01] <Riddell> _marseillais: it needs c++ and qt skills yes
[04:02] <_StefanS_> Riddell: btw, do you know which intel device the ubuntu mobile is aimed at?
[04:02] <_StefanS_> Riddell: looks very interesting
[04:02] <Riddell> _StefanS_: all new ones
[04:02] <_StefanS_> Riddell: UMPC things?
[04:03] <Riddell> I don't know what that is
[04:03] <_StefanS_> mmm ok
[04:03] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MobileAndEmbedded
[04:04] <Riddell> /root/3.5.7/kdelibs-3.5.7/./kdecore/netwm.cpp:337: error: too many initializers for 'const char* const [78] '
[04:04] <Riddell> /root/3.5.7/kdelibs-3.5.7/./kdecore/netwm.cpp:433: error: too many initializers for 'Atom* [78] '
[04:04] <Riddell> nasty
[04:04] <Shiny> Riddell: yummy.
[04:04] <Shiny> Riddell: that was with my packages, no?
[04:05] <Riddell> with hobbsee's
[04:05] <Shiny> Riddell: ohhhhh....
[04:05] <Hobbsee> i'd forgotten about that
[04:05] <Riddell> what is it?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> it's the xinerama patch, which got changed
[04:07] <manchicken> Mornin' folks.
[04:09] <ScottK> Morning manchicken
[04:09] <manchicken> I noticed that someone pinged me and then pasted a stack trace.  That was interesting.
[04:10] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yes
[04:11] <manchicken> Because I know exactly what program and issue that's from :)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> manchicken: read the last line
[04:11] <Hobbsee> manchicken: system settings crash
[04:11] <Hobbsee> that we were discussing a few days ago
[04:12] <manchicken> Ah.
[04:12] <manchicken> Is there a bug associate with that?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> no idea
[04:12] <manchicken> That stack trace tells me nothing.
[04:12] <manchicken> heh
[04:12] <Hobbsee> oh still.  oh well
[04:12] <manchicken> heh
[04:13] <manchicken> for stuff like that, we really need bug posts.
[04:13] <manchicken> Timezones are hard enough to work around without this massive amount of data loss.
[04:13] <manchicken> I don't even have steps to replicate the issue.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> "start system settings in gutsy.  watch
[04:14] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:17] <rbrunhuber> is kde 3.5.7 already in gutsy or proposed for testing?
[04:18] <Riddell> it's not in
[04:18] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: arts is done, kdelibs is currently compiling
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: brandon's machine is fast, btw
[04:18] <Riddell> but testers needed for  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-357/ feisty main#
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how long didit take you to compile arts last time?
[04:18] <Riddell> s/#//
[04:19] <rbrunhuber> is kde 3.5.7 still compatible to gutsy?
[04:19] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: what does that mean?
[04:20] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : I mean if the debs are compatible to gutsy. Because the url has feisty as release.
[04:21] <Hobbsee> [00:18]  <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: arts is done, kdelibs is currently compiling
[04:21] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: so apart from that, no.
[04:21] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: no, they're for feisty
[04:23] <nixternal> Riddell: is 357 for feisty 100% complete?
[04:24] <Riddell> nixternal: yes
[04:24] <nixternal> roger, upgrading now
[04:25] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : Will 3.5.7 be uploaded to gutsy or is gutsy pointing to kde 4.0?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: it will be uploaded to gutsy, yes
[04:27] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee : Is there a preliminary changelog already?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> of upstream changelog, or of kubuntu changelog?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> no, and somewhat
[04:28] <Hobbsee> but the kubuntu changelog is fairly useless if you want to see the changes in 3.5.7
[04:29] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee : upstream
[04:29] <Hobbsee> then no, not to my knowledge
[04:31] <rbrunhuber> hobbsee: thanx
[04:33] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee : Seems there are no changes at all :-) http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_6to3_5_7.php
[04:33] <Hobbsee> heh, yes :)
[05:15] <Riddell> happy ubuntu people http://jriddell.org/photos/2007-05-sevilla-paul-jonathan-sarah.jpg
[05:15] <Riddell> nixternal: how did the upgrade go?
[05:16] <nixternal> it destoryed everything
[05:16] <nixternal> ;)
[05:16] <nixternal> seems good so far
[05:16] <nixternal> I have it on my x86 and amd64 box running happily so far
[05:17] <nixternal> haha, nice pic!
[05:17] <nixternal> you people are way to white!
[05:17] <nixternal> ;p
[05:17] <nixternal> I know there is sun in Europe, time to find it..although I shouldn't talk...the sun is no where near my little dungeon here
[05:18] <Jucato> :)
[05:18] <nixternal> hehe
[05:19] <Tm_T> sun?
[05:19] <rbrunhuber> is packages.ubuntu.com down=
[05:21] <Jucato> Tm_T: that big, (usuall) yellowish orb that hangs around in the sky at certain hours of the day... I rarely see it though... but I can't hide from its effects :(
[05:21] <Tm_T> Riddell: oh nice pic, and some familiar faces :)
[05:22] <nixternal> Paul Sladen
[05:22] <Tm_T> Paul is cool (:
[05:23] <rbrunhuber> Can anyone reach packages.ubuntu.com?
[05:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: was Pauls bicycle in one piece in Sevilla?
[05:24] <Riddell> it seems to fall apart quite frequently
[05:24] <nixternal> lol
[05:24] <Tm_T> I wonder why...
[05:27] <nixternal> Riddell: in the KDE 4 Alpha changelogs, I am putting in the topline "KDE 4 Alpha Release" and the following lines detail the debian/control: changes. Is that cool?
[05:28] <Jucato> hm... 3.5.7 tomorrow..
[05:28] <Riddell> nixternal: very
[05:28] <nixternal> groovy
[05:28] <Riddell> Jucato: testers needed for feisty
[05:28] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: Who is responsible for http://packages.ubuntu.com. It is not reachable (at least from Germany). Is this on puporse?
[05:28] <nixternal> rbrunhuber: it wasn't reachable for me yesterday either
[05:29] <nixternal> still can't connect to it
[05:29] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: it's not run by canonical, it's just someone who was annoyed at not having a packages. service for ubuntu
[05:29] <Jucato> er... dang... should have known this today... I'll be completely without net for the next few hours...
[05:30] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : I have to agree with him/her. It is very annoying to have no packages service for ubuntu :-)
[05:30] <nixternal> wget -nd -r -l1 --no-parent -A.deb -A.bz2 is your friend!
[05:30] <nixternal> there is DaD floating around the MOTU list
[05:30] <Jucato> iirc packages.ubuntu.com is not maintained by canonical? (forgot where I heard it)
[05:33] <nixternal> Jucato: Riddell just said it a couple of lines up ;p
[05:33] <Jucato> lol
[05:33] <Jucato> I'm still getting used to this LCD goodness :)
[05:33] <Jucato> my eyes are still adjusting
[05:34] <nixternal> grr..I need to replace my CRT..and I am guessing I will eventually go the LCD route
[05:34] <rbrunhuber> seems to be maintained by a frank lichtenheld
[05:48] <Tonio__> yo
[05:48] <Tonio__> kwwii: ping ?
[05:49] <kwwii> Tonio__: hey man, wassup?
[05:49] <Tonio__> little help required to change the usplash theme for the french parliament...
[05:49] <Tonio__> kwwii: I looked at the image, changed the palette, but I don't understand something
[05:50] <Tonio__> kwwii: in the .c file, there is only one background and one foreground variable
[05:50] <Tonio__> kwwii: how is the layer done ?
[05:51] <Tonio__> kwwii: s/layer/gradiant
[05:51] <kwwii> Tonio__: are you talking about the color definitions?
[05:51] <Tonio__> kwwii: yep, for the progress bar
[05:51] <kwwii> Tonio__: or are you talking about the progress bar
[05:51] <kwwii> the progress bar are pics as well
[05:51] <Tonio__> hu ?
[05:52] <kwwii> there is a foreground and background pic
[05:52] <kwwii> which have to use the exact same palette as the other pics
[05:52] <Tonio__> hum....... is that the way we do it ?
[05:52] <Tonio__> kwwii: so we use the throbber files ?
[05:53] <Tonio__> I don't understand, we have the same files in the package I've done, but the colors are completly f*cked up
[05:53] <Tonio__> throbber_fore.png and throbber_back.pngn that's it right ?
[05:53] <kwwii> yes, those are the right pics
[05:54] <kwwii> the palette has to be right as well (for all the pics)
[05:54] <Tonio__> kwwii: palette of the standard image or the throbber files ?
[05:54] <kwwii> there can only be one 256 color palette for *all* pics
[05:55] <kwwii> the normal image, as well as the throbber files all need the same defined palette
[05:55] <Tonio__> kwwii: ahhhhhhhhhh, that explains then
[05:56] <Tonio__> kwwii: why something that damn complicated ?
[05:56] <Tonio__> :)
[05:56] <kwwii> :-)
[05:56] <kwwii> it is just silly pictures!
[05:56] <Tonio__> hehe
[05:56] <Tonio__> kwwii: okay I'll try to finish this then.... thanks for the help, seya on wednesday when I'll become a human beeing again.......
[05:56] <kwwii> ;-)
[05:57] <kwwii> let me know if you need any help
[05:57] <Tonio__> so the first person that tells me french only work 35 hours will get my foot in the ass... ;)
[05:57] <Tonio__> kwwii: thanks for proposing, I'll try to get it done by myself, but if I really can't do it, I'll send you an email :)
[05:58] <kwwii> cool :-)
[05:59] <Tonio__> Riddell: I'll prepare a kdebase upload, we have interesting things to test, as the usb key unmount thing fdoving as done, works lie a charm here
[05:59] <Riddell> Tonio__: don't, we're packaging 3.5.7
[05:59] <Tonio__> Riddell: already ?
[05:59] <Tonio__> Riddell: nice, since that requires an svn patch :)
[06:00] <Tonio__> Riddell: I'll wait for your uploads to work on that then
[06:01] <Riddell> Tonio__: patch for what?
[06:01] <Tonio__> Riddell: for usplash on shutdown
[06:01] <Tonio__> Riddell: as you know that fails very often
[06:02] <Tonio__> Riddell: if we don't launch the usplash by patching kdm, but within the init.d/kdm, it works much better
[06:02] <Tonio__> Riddell: tried on 10 pcs, works like a charm
[06:02] <Tonio__> Riddell: is there a reason we don't do it that way ?
[06:04] <Riddell> no special reason
[06:05] <paran> Riddell: I noticed that there already is a 3.5.7-tag in kde-svn, does that mean that it is about to be released very soon?
[06:05] <Jucato> May 22
[06:08] <nixternal> finally, kde4 chugs along building
[06:08] <nixternal> 1 down, 4308438 million more to go
[06:08] <Lure> Riddell: re 3.5.7> networkstatus package is lacking some files -> knetworkmanager cannot be started
[06:10] <Tonio__> Riddell: then we should eventually test this way, since it works much better
[06:10] <Tonio__> Riddell: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/83727
[06:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 83727 in kdebase "If I stop KDM it hangs on usplash (Kubuntu Edgy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:10] <Tonio__> Lure: I'll work on knm svn within a week
[06:11] <Tonio__> Lure: shouldn't we eventually ask timo to release a tarball ?
[06:13] <Lure> Tonio_: good, current problem is with kde 3.5.7 packages Riddell provided
[06:13] <Lure> Tonio_: it seems he has dropped your changes for networkstatus
[06:13] <Tonio_> Lure: okay
[06:14] <Riddell> I did drop the networkstatus patch
[06:14] <Riddell> spose I should look at making it apply
[06:14] <Tonio_> hum, eventually yes ;)
[06:14] <Lure> Riddell: knm now fails with: "knetworkmanager: error while loading shared libraries: libnetworkstatus.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[06:15] <Tonio_> Lure: as I said, I'm not there till wednesday, we will deliver the distro for the fr parliament, and then I may receover a normal life...
[06:15] <Lure> Tonio_: knm 0.2 should be released rsn, therefore you should probably wait for it
[06:15] <Tonio_> Lure: lots of things to do btw, as I'd like to fix the usplash on shutdown thing, provide kaffeine as embeded player and get the latest knm in
[06:15] <Tonio_> Lure: that was the plan yes, just wait for the packages to be there
[06:16] <Lure> Tonio_: nice, I still need to kick-off my gutsy environment
[06:16] <Tonio_> hehe
[06:16] <Tonio_> Lure: virtualbox is your friend
[06:17] <Lure> Tonio_: no vm extensions on my Pentium M :-(
[06:17] <Lure> Tonio_: will set-up Vmware, but I need real laptop test too (I want to work on kde power usage for gutsy)
[06:21] <Tonio_> Lure: vm extensions are required with virtualbox ?
[06:21] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm not talking about kvm
[06:21] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, I though it is kvm-based
[06:21] <Tonio_> Lure: talking about the guidance power manager, are you aware of the dbus restart bug ?
[06:21] <Tonio_> Lure: nope it isn't
[06:22] <Lure> Tonio_: restart issue?
[06:22] <Tonio_> Lure: just restart dbus and you'll see :)
[06:22] <Lure> Tonio_: I can imagine.... ;-)
[06:22] <Tonio_> gpm doesn't work anymore and needs to be restarted :)
[06:22] <Tonio_> Lure: shouldn't it reconnect automatically ?
[06:22] <Lure> Tonio_: no code there to reconnect to dbus...
[06:22] <Lure> Tonio_: would be nice... something to consider when porting to qt4 (as sebas is planning)
[06:23] <Tonio_> Lure: ah... :)
[06:23] <Tonio_> Lure: I think sebas is concerned and is having a look
[06:23] <Tonio_> okay let's finish the work........ then take 2 days of entire sleep, and come back in the kubuntu crew
[06:23] <Tonio_> have a nice day all
[06:23] <Tonio_> kwwii: thanks again for the help
[07:55] <Riddell> nixternal: about?
[07:59] <nixternal> yes sir
[07:59] <Riddell> nixternal: does kdesu work for you in 3.5.7?
[08:00] <nixternal> it does, but it is loaded with errors, like I was using sudo
[08:00] <Riddell> fine
[08:00] <Riddell> entirely broken for me
[08:00] <nixternal> hrmm
[08:00] <Riddell> wonder why
[08:00] <nixternal> let me test the 64 setup
[08:01] <nixternal> works on both x86 and amd64 here
[08:01] <nixternal> kio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : basket_config_features.desktop
[08:01] <nixternal> kio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : basket_config_notes.desktop
[08:01] <nixternal> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:02] <nixternal> why basket*.desktop
[08:03] <toma> Riddell: sorry i can not be at the meeting of this wednesday.
[08:03] <Riddell> no idea
[08:03] <Riddell> toma: we have a meeting this wednesday?
[08:03] <nixternal> heh
[08:03] <nixternal> I thought it got moved again
[08:03] <toma> its on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[08:05] <marseillai_> :)
[08:06] <marseillai_> the kopete_emoticon_patch apply well on 3.5.7
[08:12] <Riddell> toma: I'm not sure if hobbsee has a set date for it yet
[08:13] <Riddell> toma: the current plan is to rotate half the kubuntu council, if that makes sense to you
[08:13] <Riddell> nixternal: does this read OK?  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[08:13] <toma> Riddell: seems wise to review the current members, yes.
[08:14] <marseillai_> Riddell: i've make a patch for kopete in kde 3.5.7 with this apps : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=54968 do you want me to send you the debdiff ?
[08:15] <sebas> Riddell: Version number say 3.5.6 twice
[08:15] <sebas> In title and first line
[08:15] <Riddell> sebas: fixed
[08:15] <toma> Riddell: after this week I'm less available for a few weeks, so I had hoped that the meeting was this week (or rather last week)
[08:15] <Riddell> marseillai_: sure
[08:16] <Riddell> opinions on http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu_akademy_banner_1.png vs http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu_akademy_banner.png ?
[08:16] <marseillai_> Riddell: i send it to you now but i'm building it in my pbuilder to check if it works first
[08:16] <marseillai_> i'll say you if it works but i've an old computer it will takes time
[08:17] <nixternal> Riddell: looks good
[08:17] <nixternal> I didn't know they didn't work with network-manager though
[08:17] <nixternal> ehe
[08:18] <yuriy> so i installed edubuntu yesterday, want to get started on ltsp manager. it's in bzr?
[08:19] <yuriy> and what's the devel channel for edubuntu/ltsp?
[08:19] <Riddell> #edubuntu ?
[08:19] <nixternal> that be the channel :)
[08:19] <Riddell> nixternal: I'm looking to fix that
[08:19] <yuriy> i think that's for support, but i guess i could ask in there or *shock* look it up
[08:20] <Riddell> yuriy: a KDE version of thin-client-manager-gnome is more important than ltsp-manager I think
[08:20] <Riddell> (for KDE read qt 4)
[08:22] <paran> Riddell: there are not kdevelop in that repository. also you probably mean kdevelop 3.4.1
[08:22] <yuriy> Riddell: that's not the same thing? i was thinking of thin-client-manager, what's ltsp-manager then?
[08:22] <Riddell> paran: oh aye, good point
[08:23] <Riddell> yuriy: see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdubuntuKDE
[08:23] <paran> Riddell: also I wouldnt write the KDevelop-stuff as an "Update:" as it will be in the announcement from the beginning
[08:23] <Riddell> "Thin client manager is an application run on the teacher's server to control the LTSP clients."
[08:23] <Riddell> "ltsp-manager is an application to change settings for the LTSP setup. "
[08:24] <Riddell> ltsp-manager just fiddles config files, thin client manager lets you have real fun with running sessions
[08:24] <marseillai_> Riddell: mail send
[08:24] <Riddell> paran: I've removed it
[08:24] <\sh> Riddell, make it "Free + Easy == Perfect" ,-)
[08:25] <yuriy> Riddell: ah, thanks. yeah, i was thinking of the thin client manager
[08:25] <\sh> Riddell, no, not again ;)
[08:25] <paran> Riddell: ah :)
[08:26] <\sh> but if someone has some spare chairs, and is living near karlsruhe, please come to my new place, I'm in need of a chair ;)
[08:27] <Riddell> yuriy: I don't know where the code is https://code.launchpad.net/student-control-panel/ seems to be old
[08:27] <\sh> yuriy, ask ogra about the sourcecode
[08:27] <Riddell> yuriy: ah, https://code.launchpad.net/tcm
[09:01] <toma> Riddell: do you want to keep a kde position and if so, are there candidates?
[09:02] <allee> evening
[09:02] <allee> eh, no tonio
[09:05] <nixternal> Riddell: kubuntu_akademy_banner.png is the winner
[09:08] <yuriy> a123333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333WWWWW44443~-
[09:08] <yuriy> oops sorry
[09:09] <nixternal> lol
[09:09] <fdoving> allee: my latitude won't wake up after suspend-to-ram, any tips?
[09:09] <fdoving> that's feisty.
[09:09] <fdoving> it used to work when i first got it. not sure what i changed to break it.
[09:10] <allee> fdoving: afair someone mentioned unloading the   cdrom driver  helps.  But don't remember if it was s-t-r or s-t-d
[09:10] <fdoving> allee: i have tried with and without the changes to /etc/default/acpi-support changes mentioned at the wiki.
[09:10] <fdoving> ok.
[09:10] <fdoving> cdrom driver.
[09:11] <allee> fdoving: luka may know more.  My D600 is now running gutsy  ...
[09:11] <fdoving> allee: ok. does ipw3945 work for you with the .22 kernel ?
[09:12] <fdoving> .. and the mouse-dot-thing in the middle of the keyboard doesn't work in that kernel. (just fetched the gutsy kernel on feisty)
[09:13] <fdoving> .. i'll try to suspend without htat cdrom driver loaded.. if i disappear it failed and i'm rebooting.
[09:14] <Riddell> nixternal: I'd have to agree
[09:15] <nixternal> the KDE + Ubuntu one just looks out of place...distracts my attention for the coolness of the banner
[09:15] <nixternal> s/for/from/
[09:16] <marseillai_> more than an hour to build kdenetwork! is it normal?
[09:19] <allee> fdoving: the mouse stick and ipw3495 of the D420 always worked here with plain feisty stuff
[09:23] <fdoving> allee: yes, on feisty, but on gutsY?
[09:33] <allee> fdoving: the D420 devlivered to my users.  I doubt they are happy when I upgrade to gutsy.  So no idea.  On D600 knetworkmanger does not even start currently due to missing  libnetworkstatus.so.0
[09:48] <nixternal> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/': No such file or directory
[09:48] <nixternal> dh_install: command returned error code 256
[09:48] <nixternal> make: *** [binary-install/kde4games]  Error 1
[09:49] <nixternal> ARGH!
[09:49] <nixternal> Riddell: any clue ^^
[09:49] <Riddell> nixternal: remove it from the .install file
[09:49] <Riddell> run dh_install --list-missing and edit .install files until all fixed
[09:49] <Riddell> debuild -nc to finish building without cleaning
[10:07] <marseillai_> Riddell: i've test and the debdiff for kdenetwork works
[10:08] <Riddell> marseillai_: and this allows you to change your smiley theme?
[10:09] <marseillai_> i'm currently installing
[10:11] <marseillai_> grrrrrrr
[10:12] <marseillai_> forget it
[10:12] <marseillai_> it makes kopete crash
[10:34] <fdoving> allee: do you use dri? after thinking hard about what i've changed, i think i've figured out i enabled DRI.
[10:35] <allee> fdoving: the D420 use i810, my D600 the free radeon driver.  With both DRI is working.
[10:36] <fdoving> allee: dri and suspend?
[10:36] <fdoving> hmm..
[10:36] <fdoving> i use the magic new intel driver andr xrandr 1.2, might make problems.
[10:37] <allee> fdoving: D600 both.  D420 out of the box only one of s-t-d and s-t-r.  Don't remember which
[10:37] <allee> fdoving: D420 use i810 + 915resolution
[10:40] <fdoving> hmm.. could it be the kvm modules, maybe?
[10:45] <manchicken> Wuddup allee?
[10:47] <fdoving> allee: those evil kvm modules.
[10:49] <allee> manchicken: fixing upstream handling of libs and trying to figure out what do/not work in kdebluetooth-dbus-integration
[10:49] <allee> fdoving: oh :)
[10:49] <manchicken> Nice
[10:50] <allee> manchicken: frightning!  Tweaking auto* magic is 1@#@$@#
[10:50] <manchicken> There's an am2cmake program in kdesdk
[10:50] <manchicken> cmake seems to do better.
[10:51] <fdoving> cmake is very nice.
[10:51] <manchicken> It's a little trickier to get used to once you're used to am... but I like it.
[10:52] <allee> manchicken: for one next upstream versions cmake is on TODO.  Doing auto* -> cmake it for released version looks like overkill
[10:52] <manchicken> I don't know, the am2cmake seems pretty rock solid.
[11:15] <toma_> (it only does the basic stuff, i've never used am2cmake and was done with it.)
[11:48] <nixternal> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsyndication    <= error when building kde4pim 3.90.1
[11:48] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^
[11:49] <Riddell> waa, linker problems
[11:52] <Riddell> dunno, is libsyndication.so there?
[11:53] <nixternal> nope
[11:53] <Riddell> probably the issue then :)
[11:53] <nixternal> just searched for it and found nothing
[11:53] <nixternal> hehe
[11:54] <Riddell> searched for libsyndication.so*
[11:54] <Riddell> ?
[11:54] <nixternal> libsyndication*
[11:54] <Riddell> crazy