=== superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jikanter [n=jikanter@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [i=mb@2002:5361:2a04:0:0:0:0:1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@cpe-24-27-18-93.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd_ [n=d@adsl-241-73-110.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pabluk [n=jpablo@200-112-129-239.bbt.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_1 [n=jga@p85.212.5.187.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === vishwana [n=vishwana@72-254-44-140.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] packages.ubuntu.com down ? or just me [03:13] sn0: yes :-) [03:15] Nafallo ok :] [03:16] sn0: there is however equivalent functionality in something we call launchpad... :-) [03:17] Nafallo thanks, im aware of launchpad, was just browsing flash versions for a friend :D [03:17] :-P [03:17] or apt-cache madison [03:17] bloddy flash :p its evil [03:18] gnash? ;-) === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:20] i can't wait until gnash is a good replacement === zmr_ [n=zr@221.236.242.120] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid [n=unstable@tor/regular/sid] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@63-145-6-84.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid [n=unstable@tor/regular/sid] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jah_ [n=troz@pc-27-220-44-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=chatzill@user-0c6s9ib.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:54] iwj: got a second to discuss the new udev/dm/md stuff? [04:54] psusi: 03:54 in .uk [04:55] ahh, he's uk eh? [04:55] anyone awake right now that knows much about it or is working on it? [05:00] BenC: maybe? === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [n=mpalmer@76.199.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:07] Is there an Ubuntu equivalent of snapshot.debian.net? [05:08] womble: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ is fairly close, but not quite the same. [05:09] persia: Not quite the same, but almost certainly close enough for my purposes. Thanks. === pkl_ [n=phillip@unaffiliated/pkl/x-764568] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=calc@cpe-24-162-49-93.houston.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180068028.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1n [n=rob1n@unaffiliated/rob1n] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1n [n=rob1n@unaffiliated/rob1n] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === reitblatt [n=mark@cpe-24-27-18-93.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@121.44.219.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:02] Good morning [07:02] hi pitti! [07:02] Good morning! [07:03] hey pitti === beuno sees activity in the channel and takes to opportunity to pick the dev's brains [07:04] I'm about to release UWN, anything worth mentioning about Gutsy? === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno deletes the "New in Gutsy" section [07:09] haha [07:10] morning guys [07:10] morning fabbione [07:11] hi fabbione [07:13] arrr! [07:13] uh oh [07:13] hmmm did we already switch gutsy to .22? === Hobbsee beats mneptok with a club [07:13] as default i mean [07:13] fabbione: no. [07:13] ok thanks [07:13] fabbione: I saw several -meta uploads already, but at least on amd64 I still didn't get it yet [07:14] Hobbsee: please. my girlfriend has already been hospitalized on this trip. :/ [07:14] pitti: neither did x86... [07:14] (looooong story) [07:14] mneptok: whops... [07:14] mneptok: then you shouldnt have beaten her up! [07:14] but all is well. the Romanians are taking *very* good care of us. === j_ack [n=jack@p508db35d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@cpe-24-27-18-93.austin.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bonii [n=gsix@unaffiliated/bonii] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mderk [n=ubiq@116.21.116.165] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti is now known as pitti_ === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === predius [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A678A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] siretart, Riddell: wrt. http://merges.ubuntu.com/libt/libtunepimp/libtunepimp_0.5.3-2ubuntu1.patch, do we still actually need to keep the mp3 package separate? or can we move this stuff back to main? [08:24] doko_: I take the eject merge === TomaszD_ [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-13-166.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:28] cjwatson: hi, do you know if the autosyncer is capable of running for universe but not for main? === timfrost [n=tim@125-238-156-109.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.247.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki_ is now known as gouki [08:43] mvo: thanks [08:48] crimsun: hm, unsure. I guess we could do that. [08:48] doko: hdparm, lshw too [08:49] crimsun: why? Want to continue syncing into universe long than for main? [08:50] Mithrandir: yes. We had a protracted discussion earlier regarding fixes not making it into Universe. 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[10:09] dict.leo.org isn't helping me === pochu [n=emilio@10.Red-83-59-168.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] unless perhaps 'leute' is meant. === pochu [n=emilio@10.Red-83-59-168.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nuu [n=neuro@85-18-14-28.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nuu [n=neuro@85-18-14-28.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] jsgotangco: 'Leute' [10:21] highvoltage: brush up your french! [10:21] *g* [10:22] I thought 'leut' is singular for leute :) [10:22] highvoltage: there isn't a singular for leute :) [10:22] afaik [10:22] aah [10:25] right [10:26] 'leute' == 'people', and like in English there is no singular [10:26] person? === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] gnomefreak: yep === cassidy [n=cassidy@115.118-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] what's up with the buildds? they're all idle, and a number of packages are in 'needs building' state [10:46] ajmitch: I'll take a look [10:46] thanks === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@115.118-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] pitti: yes it needs to be separate, we can't have mp3 on the CD === allee [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] Riddell: ah, ok === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] mjg59: do you think that your 20_mixer-applet_use_gstreamer_notify.patch could make the icon not being updated when the volume is changed? === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEEA2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=tomb@host81-152-227-220.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] The binaries for qgis were all rejected (I presume due to this Soyuz crazyness)... What do I do about it? [11:33] Fujitsu: what crazyness? [11:34] seb128: stuff in needs building state for a few days, with buildds idle [11:34] The buildds were doing strange things, and those binaries were rejected soon after Mithrandir said he'd take a look. [11:34] I think they might be related, considering I've never had binary rejections before. [11:34] k [11:34] Fujitsu: you read your bug mail. :-P [11:35] Fujitsu: libqgis1 includes .so symlinks, please fix that. [11:35] Oh, I see. [11:35] they should go in the -dev package [11:35] Just noticed that. [11:35] Hmmmm... my changes from the Debian package are minimal. [11:36] Mithrandir: My inbox gets read before bugmail, and I knew the buildds were being strange, so... [11:36] I'm not saying it's your fault, just saying it's a bug. [11:37] the buildds don't usually generate binary rejects, btw. [11:37] No, the archive will. [11:37] Well, Soyuz === StevenK idly wonders if Soyuz supports crazyness like UNACCEPT. [11:38] StevenK: it's called "rejecting out of the accepted queue", and yes, we've done so in the past. [11:39] it's only insane when you do build-from-accepted. [11:39] if you don't, it's not really a big issue. === StevenK nods. [11:39] Do you normally check binaries? [11:39] Sometimes I wish we did build from accepted, but given cron.daily runs hourly it isn't a huge issue. [11:39] Fujitsu: yes === ajmitch recalls UNACCEPT being used once in debian within recent memory [11:40] StevenK: we're probably going to at some point. [11:40] ajmitch: I can only recall Daniel Stone + XFree86 4.3 [11:40] ajmitch: it was used for a premature upload of a newer xorg versions, I've had it happen when udebs were first introduced. [11:40] that was what I was thinking of [11:40] s/xorg/xfree86/, yes === ajmitch hopes that ADSL2+ actually comes to this area sometime this year [11:41] uploading large packages is painful [11:42] Try it on 256Kbit. [11:42] that's what I have for upstream at the moment [11:42] Ah === TimGroe [n=TimGroe@202.172.122.211] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] are autosyncs not working anymore? i see at least one package that should've been autosynced since about a week [11:49] Hey, I don't know if this is the tight place to anounce this, but I have made a new system for building .deb files abit like checkinstall, but more ... structured [11:49] slomo: they are, I just finished a run, why. [11:49] slomo: as in, what package? [11:49] http://timg.ws/?p=20 [11:50] Mithrandir: gnome-sharp2 [11:50] It accepts a file like Frugalware's FrugalBuild or Arch Linux's PKGBUILD [11:51] slomo: gnome-sharp2 | 2.16.0-3 | gutsy | source [11:51] isn't that the right version? [11:51] hm, no -6 is current in debian [11:51] [BLACKLISTED] gnome-sharp2_2.16.0-3 [11:52] weird... why is it blacklisted? [11:52] caused something to blow up, but it's worky now; synced. [11:52] thanks :) [11:59] Riddell: hm, I'm still confused about libtunepimp -- it does not depend on anything except libtunepimp5; does it contain codecs? I thought it was just a lib for tag handling === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:00] pitti: interesting, I'm sure it used to depend on libmad [12:01] Riddell: the source b-deps on libmad-dev, but there's no binary dependency [12:03] pitti: ldd /usr/lib/tunepimp/plugins/mp3.tpp | grep mad === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491E3A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] pitti: it does need libmad, I think it just doesn't have a depend because shlibs doesn't find the library with the weird extension [12:04] Riddell: ah, so I should add that explicitly [12:05] pitti: yes [12:17] will an OpenVZ-enabled kernel make it into Ubuntu ? [12:18] I am running one now on Ubuntu 7.04 (Linux kernel 2.6.20) and it runs a treat === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEEA2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] Adri2000: tu parles bien de "02:39 < Hobbsee> it may not have the sources, but the author is not evil" [12:38] err. === Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === statik [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] doko: do you have any idea what happens in http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/pydbg ? [01:05] doko: the current version is broken, so I'll upload the merged version (which is broken in the same way) - it'd be nice if you had a idea about this === Huahua [n=hua@116.21.98.72] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-212.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] You are not the bug assignee nor the maintainer of libtool (Ubuntu), and therefore cannot edit this bug's status. [01:29] err, wtf? [01:29] you're not logged in? [01:29] aha! [01:29] it seems like LP lost all autologin stuff [01:30] Mithrandir: bingo [01:30] or chanced cookie or whatever [01:30] it did that on friday or so. [01:30] i noticed only today [01:30] several UI bugs in one go there [01:30] now that you're logged in, you should file them. :-P === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@unaffiliated/pkl/x-764568] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Demitar_ [n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEEA2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra-classmate [n=teacher@p548ADFAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.112.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.47.76.190.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === segfault [n=segfault@ubuntu/member/segfault] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bonii [n=gsix@unaffiliated/bonii] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@4-74.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk is confused [01:58] Why? [01:59] APT claims there are no updates [01:59] Keybuk: the buildds are borked. [01:59] or the slave scanner, more likely [01:59] have you tried restarting it? [01:59] yes [01:59] Keybuk: [01:59] 2007/05/21 12:56 BST [-] Job slave_scanner completed with exit code 1 [01:59] this includes things that have been built [01:59] e.g. powertop, apt doesn't think it is in the archive [02:00] builds aren't making it into the queue? [02:02] psycopg.IntegrityError: ERROR: duplicate key violates unique constraint "buildqueue__builder__unq" [02:02] ouch [02:03] ww too ;) [02:04] somehow, I don't envy people subscribed to the error reporting mailing list. [02:04] it's been mailing that list once every ten seconds over the weekend or so [02:04] Woot [02:04] Heheh. [02:07] *hugs* them [02:09] there, cprov saves the day. === Zdra [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bdgraue [n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-026-116.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/95460 a candidate for a fix in -updates? [02:18] Launchpad bug 95460 in samba "samba 3.0.24 on feisty is broken" [Undecided,Needs info] [02:18] apparently some KDE util is b0rking every share it touches by adding invalid config options [02:19] Mithrandir: Hrm. Did cprov just un-save the day? All of the buildds are idle again. [02:20] yes, but Ng is saving the day instead. [02:20] it was slightly more complex than we first thought. [02:20] Ah === jah__ [n=troz@pc-27-220-44-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@149.sub-70-197-166.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@10.Red-83-59-168.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ernierasta [n=ernie@beskydska.silesnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=calc@cpe-24-162-49-93.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] hey all [02:38] hi Hobbsee [02:38] hi Sarah [02:38] :) [02:39] Mithrandir! [02:39] yo === Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's feet in greeting [02:39] hiya fabbione :) [02:40] hey Hobbsee [02:40] Hobbsee: /me sees Hobbsee stomp the ground. [02:40] s/Hobsee: // [02:40] well, without typos, anyway. [02:40] heh === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-128.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] I'm levitating. [02:40] oh really now? [02:40] yeah, you should come see === milli [n=milli@63-145-6-84.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] Mithrandir: dont tempt me :P [02:42] Mithrandir: you could post pictures, at least [02:42] do you realise how hard it is to take pictures of yourself levitating? [02:42] it screws up my concentration === Hobbsee points to Simira === Hobbsee points to Odin [02:42] take your pick. [02:43] Neither of those is a garden implement. === StevenK ducks === Hobbsee bashes StevenK with large, metal, spiky garden implement. [02:43] Ouch! [02:43] bashes, not pokes? [02:43] That's going to bleed when my heart beats! [02:44] the classmate just died [02:44] Hobbsee: they're both at home. [02:44] Mithrandir: ahh. then find someone at the office? [02:44] or a random stranger off the streets? [02:44] nah, can't be bothered. [02:45] (hi seb128) [02:46] Mithrandir: Has Ng saved the day yet? [02:46] Hrm. I haven't seen Rails do that before. [02:46] StevenK: yes, but I'm not sure whether soyuz now works by pure willpower or what. [02:46] the last line in the log file says: 2007/05/21 13:11 BST [-] Server Shut Down. [02:47] Heh. Ng might just be running it through his head. [02:47] Ah. The page I haven't seen before is Rails returning 500. === joebleaack [i=joebleaa@89.123.132.190] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] salut [02:53] greetings [02:53] am si eu o mica intrebare poate ma poate ajuta careva [02:53] in english? [02:53] k [02:54] pitti: whats the next step in the life-of-a-spec after it has been drafted? does it get assigned first or does it get a release target first? [02:54] i have an adsl connection to the internet but i ca't conect my ubuntu relese [02:54] joebleaack: Try in #ubuntu [02:54] thru an adsl modem [02:55] #ubuntu [02:55] Or #ubuntu-ro [02:55] robertj: usually assigned, since it's hard to predict feasibility without an assignee [02:55] (I'm guessing you're Romanian?) [02:55] it is line [02:55] yep [02:55] type: [02:55] /join #ubuntu-ro [02:55] pitti: and low-priority specs need to find their own assignees I assume [02:56] well [02:56] haw can i setup my adsl modem [02:56] joebleaack: Ask in the other channel that you just joined. [02:56] it is an alcatel stpeed touch 330 === ernierasta [n=ernie@beskydska.silesnet.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:58] joebleaack: Type "/join #ubuntu-ro", find the window for that channel and ask there. It's a Romanian ubuntu channel. [02:58] joebleaack: this is not a channel for support. please see the /topic === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joebleaack [i=joebleaa@89.123.132.190] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === calc [n=calc@cpe-24-162-49-93.houston.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === kent [n=kent@82.145.145.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] is bug Bug #109204 suitable for an SRU? it has a well tested small patch [03:10] ubotu: wake up [03:10] Sorry, I don't know anything about wake up - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:10] Bug #109204 [03:10] Launchpad bug 109204 in gnumeric "Gnumeric strange colors (purple charts) on bigendian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109204 [03:11] Hobbsee, ubotu thought it was kernel bug for some reason [03:11] weird [03:11] ssam: looks like a good candidate for a SRU [03:12] Hobbsee, cool, do i need to pester someone for that [03:12] !sru [03:12] follow the ^ process [03:12] !ping [03:12] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse. [03:12] pong [03:12] laggy bot. [03:13] do i need to be a dev to do it? [03:13] no [03:14] you'll need someone to sponsor your work though (which is why there is the ubuntu-universe-sponsors / ubuntu-main-sponsors) [03:17] thanks, it wont be until later in the week that i'll have a block of time to do this, but i'll give it a go. === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.11.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jah___ [n=troz@pc-27-220-44-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] has anyone had a chance to look at Easypkg? [03:39] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=450251 === Mithrandir prods the bleep === bleep BLEEP === bleep bites Mithrandir with the sharp, pointy teeth. [03:45] Onomatopoetic nicknames ftw. === Zdra [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] Oooh, shiny [03:48] yes. [03:50] doko: do you have any idea why https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-python/2.18.2-1ubuntu1 ftbfs? [03:50] doko: (it worked nicely for me in a puilder) [03:50] BenC: hmm, where did /proc/version_signature disappear to? [03:51] pitti: i ate it. === CarlFK [n=carl@c-76-29-9-184.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] BenC: the current apport hook uses it to figure out the source package version; if it's gone for good, I need to change that [03:52] Heya === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] BenC: hm, and it seems that the current 2.6.22 kernel dropped the core_pattern fixes === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=jack@p508D82C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] Hobbsee: A fellow Australian :) [04:06] lol, goto bed! [04:06] yep :) [04:06] it's only midnight [04:06] aha, I know :P [04:06] and i didnt even leave work 2 hours ago.. [04:06] :O [04:06] damn === ivoks [n=ivoks@4-74.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-86.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] pitti: Ah, yeah, I'm working on getting all our patches back in from 2.6.20 today [04:10] pitti: next upload this week will have them [04:10] BenC: ah, great; so it's known [04:10] thank you [04:11] BenC: btw, do you see a chance of getting them upstream? === j_ack_ [n=jack@p508D8129.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:11] (the two fixes to core_pattern behaviour) [04:11] pitti: I'll work on sending those out too === psusi [i=hidden-u@iriserv.iradimed.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:14] iwj: got a second to talk about the dm/mdm/evms/lvm/udev again stuff? === j_ack_ [n=jack@p508D8129.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@4-74.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Moodle..."] === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@18-242.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:29] doko: it seems gnome-python ftbfs because dpatch is broken somehow === wasabi_ [n=jhaltom@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@ubuntu/member/dsas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F74E9F.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@116.21.125.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=jack@p508D8129.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] crimsun: I tend to think that's a risky option (autosyncing universe but not main), as it increases the chance of ending up syncing only part of some transition or other from Debian - especially while Debian is in an unrestricted development phase === antonym55 [n=antony@218.17.44.213] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@35-244.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jah_ [n=troz@pc-27-220-44-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@35-244.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.112.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra-classmate [n=teacher@p548ADFAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrsn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@E7f6c.e.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === antonym55 [n=antony@218.17.44.213] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrsn0 is now known as sn0 [05:25] pitti: iwj is away this week, what's the issue? === jikanter [n=jikanter@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti looks confusedly at Keybuk [05:26] <\sh> doko, do you plan to add the gnu "d" (gcd) compiler to the existent gcc toolchain for gutsy? [05:26] Keybuk: aah, that was meant for psusi, I figure [05:26] err, yes [05:26] p loses [05:26] psusi: iwj is away this week, what's the issue? === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] Keybuk: set completion_amount=0 === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:32] Keybuk: wanted to discuss udevlvmevmsagain spec, you familliar with it? === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:35] psusi: yes, pretty familar :) [05:36] ok... I have a bit of an issue with the part about ignore the kernel events, and make up your own [05:36] what's wrong with using the kernel events properly? [05:37] the apparent problem is that mdadm issues the add /block/md0 event before the array is usable [05:38] and that devmapper devices may also not be usable at the point the kernel event is emitted, since they might be transient as part of e.g. lvm snapshot creation [05:38] that's fine... udev should be able to deal with this by not doing its processing until the CHANGE event that makes it usable [05:38] the difficulty is determining at the point of the CHANGE event, whether it is usable or not === antonym55 [n=antony@58.61.65.204] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5402ABF4.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@7-101.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:49] mjg59, Wakeups-from-idle per second : 1501.8 , a lot? [05:49] ;) [05:49] giskard: huge === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x53585488.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] joejaxx: ping === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-126-192.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:56] pitti, Mithrandir, hi [05:56] yay, dpatch is broken [05:56] hi tkamppeter [05:58] pitti, Mithrandir, I have sorted out the Ghostscript merger issues with Masayuki Hatta from Debian. We agreed on naming it ghostscript and I also got info about the C headers from upstream, so they are included in my new test packages, too. [05:58] bdmurray: yes? [05:59] tkamppeter: I saw you mails, thanks [05:59] tkamppeter: so the only issue left is now that upstream regression wrt. breaking PDF GUIs? [05:59] joejaxx: I saw a bug pertaining to ubuntu studio and ended up subscribing you to it. Does that seem reasonable? [05:59] pitti, Mithrandir, and Masayuki suggested to split the docs into an extra package. This saves 8 MB on an installed system, so we have more space on our ISOs. [06:00] tkamppeter: great! === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEEA2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti -> dinner, bbl [06:01] about 3.4MB compressed [06:01] which is still not to be sneezed at of course [06:01] Yes pitti, for now we can put the package only into Gutsy so that users can test around. As soon as the upstream bug is fixed, we should think about backports. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:10] bdmurray: you should subscribe bugs to ubuntustudio-dev [06:12] joejaxx: sounds good === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEEA2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:29] pitti, keescook: can you remember if there were any problems caused by devmapper spinning on devices? [06:30] Keybuk: I don't think so; but perhaps I'm unclear on when that would happen. [06:30] you're talking device creation spin? [06:30] right, at the moment devmapper spins until udev creates the device [06:31] only that sometimes it doesn't wait long enough in feisty. [06:31] (the lvm snapshot problem, as i understand it) [06:31] pitti, Mithrandir: could you please accept vpnc for feisty-proposed? === bonii [n=gsix@unaffiliated/bonii] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [i=mark@nat/ibm/x-0852fb9267c39902] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:40] keescook: I think that's a waiting for the wrong devices in the wrong order problem [06:41] ah, I thought the lvm snapshot issue was the something in udev was running vol_id on one of the temporary devices so that when lvcreate tries to delete the device, it find it still open and bails out [06:41] yeah, we have a fix for that now === nitrocks [n=eric@c-71-61-81-226.hsd1.wv.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:42] oooh, what's the fix for that (since I still run into this issue)? [06:42] SuSE have a patch to dmsetup to make it export the status of a dm device in a format udev can enter into its info db [06:42] so we do that, and check ENV{DM_STATE}!="ACTIVE" :p === blueyed_ [n=daniel@i5387D245.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:44] bdmurray: can you do the sru-verification on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hwdb-client/+bug/91948 ? [06:44] Launchpad bug 91948 in hwdb-client "[apport] hwdb-kde crashed with UnicodeEncodeError in assemble()" [Medium,Fix committed] === jonib1 [n=jonas@ua-83-227-144-18.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:46] Keybuk: ah, very nice. [06:47] Riddell: briefly reading the bug it seems that the key for reproducing the crash is non-ascii characters is that right? [06:49] bdmurray: yes, just enter something non-ascii in one of the comment text fields and see if it crashes [06:49] geser: bug number? [06:49] Riddell: okay, I'll get to that soon [06:50] Keybuk: devmapper spinning on devices> no idea, sorry [06:50] pitti: bug #93413, that's the one you tried to accept on friday [06:50] Launchpad bug 93413 in vpnc "vpnc dead peer detection disconnects immediately" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93413 [06:51] it doesn't show up in LP and I asked Mithrandir to look after it, he said it's still in the queue [06:51] geser: not sure what you mean -- I did accept it? [06:51] hm, weird === Ng [n=cmsj@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:53] geser: can you please add/update the tasks? is it fixed in gutsy? [06:53] yes, I uploaded a the same patch ti gutsy already [06:54] I opened a task for feisty but can't accept it [06:54] geser: oh, that's nasty -- as u-core-dev you should really be able to === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:55] pitti: I'm only a MOTU, not core-dev [06:55] geser: hm, I cannot accept it either [06:56] mdz: hm, was it on purpuse that only ubuntu-drivers can accept bug tasks for stable releases now? that's really awful [06:56] geser: I can, and I'm neither core-dev nor motu :) [06:56] pochu: open or accept? [06:56] I can only nominate, too [06:56] geser: go to launchpad.net/ubuntu/*feisty*/+source/package/bugnumber, and click on "Should be fixed on Feisty too" [06:57] pochu: " Nominated for Feisty by Michael Bienia [06:57] " [06:57] geser: which bug? [06:57] pitti: it's sort of a bug. the same access controls are used for feature planning and bug targeting, which are completely different [06:57] bug #93413 [06:57] pitti: need to start a thread on launchpad@ to get it fixed [06:57] geser: anyway, accepted for real now; sorry [06:57] Launchpad bug 93413 in vpnc "vpnc dead peer detection disconnects immediately" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93413 [06:57] thanks [06:58] pochu: heh, that is a nifty workaround! [06:58] hehe [06:58] geser, mdz: I was able to create a feisty task with ubuntu/feisty/..., click on 'also fix here' [06:59] pitti, mdz, geser: I opened the Feisty task on bug 103688 [06:59] Launchpad bug 103688 in liferea "liferea crashes - ** ERROR **: file itemlist.c: line 172 (itemlist_load): assertion failed: (NULL != itemSet)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103688 [06:59] pitti: yeah, it is :) === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti looks at the libtunepimp FTBFS, "dpatch deapply-all\nset: 8: Illegal option -o pipefail" and thinks *WTF??" [07:05] dpatch has a bashism now or so? [07:08] pitti: I think dholbach has fixed it (or he has broken it :)) [07:08] pitti: Daniel uploaded a fix for it some hours ago [07:08] pitti: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425285 [07:09] great, thanks === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEEA2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:14] pitti: if you start the thread and CC me, I'll join in with my thoughts [07:15] mdz: will do, thanks === maswan [i=maswan@kennedy.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] pitti, what did you do with apport? Formerly, all Ghostscript crashes resulted in nice backtraces when one added the appropriate tags. [07:19] tkamppeter: since when is it broken? [07:19] and what happens now? [07:20] Now in most cases the tag gets automatically removed but no retrace is posted. In other cases the retraces do not contain more information than the original bug report from apport. [07:21] tkamppeter: please retag the first group, there has been some trouble recently [07:21] tkamppeter: the second is probably due to obsolete versions, etc. [07:21] pitti, strange is also that formerly, the poster of the retraces was "Apport retrace service" and now it is "Martin Pitt". [07:21] tkamppeter: I fixed the poster this morning [07:21] yay for random LP cookie changes :) [07:22] pitti wanted to get more karma :p === Arby [n=richard@82.152.169.97] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:23] I have now added comments to all these bugs that the users should grab the test packages of the merged Ghostscript, but no user answer so far. === pbn [i=pbn@i.hate.dd0s.eu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:23] Riddell: verification has been done [07:27] bdmurray: goovy, now I just need to subscribe ubuntu-archive and hope someone will move it to -updates? [07:27] Riddell: no, just ubuntu-sru === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:27] Riddell: I'll look for verification-done tags and move them over on my archive days [07:27] see wiki page [07:28] BenC: seems like linux-meta depends on 2.6.20 yet. [07:28] emilio@kiko:~$ aptitude show linux-image-generic | grep Depends [07:28] Depends: linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic [07:29] BenC: am I missing anything? :) [07:29] pitti: wiki page isn't very clear on point 5, it talks of ubuntu-archive [07:29] pitti: but I'll leave it in your hands then [07:30] right, that might be misleading === masterar2ro [n=masterar@83.238.70.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra-classmate [n=teacher@p548ADFAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=jack@p508DA5C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] pitti, thank you, I have retagged these bugs. [07:36] tkamppeter: if it happens again with those, I can look into the logs about the reason for failed retracing [07:36] pitti: adept apport notification patch at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/113508 [07:36] Launchpad bug 113508 in adept "adept notifier still notifies kubuntu users of apport crashes" [High,Confirmed] [07:37] hmm, i wonder how a pbuilder oreforms on this thing [07:37] *performs [07:38] Riddell: looks good, bug updated === pitti -> sports, cu tomorrow [07:40]