[12:31] <superm1> DaveMorris, ping
[02:26] <defendguin> hey irw is just returning to the new line when i run it instead of waiting for input
[02:31] <defendguin> lircd starts and i ca see it in the output of ps ax but after i run irw it disappears from the output of ps ax
[02:37] <defendguin>  4901 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0   this device doesn't exist
[02:48] <defendguin> nevermind i got it figured out
[03:20] <superm1> hi DaveMorris
[03:20] <superm1> and Daviey
[03:22] <defendguin> damn
[03:23] <defendguin> something is wrong with my lirc device
[03:25] <superm1> defendguin, whats happening?
[03:25] <defendguin> it was working then all of a sudden it stopped working
[03:25] <defendguin> i have a pvr 150
[03:26] <defendguin> i switched the audio out put from the onboard card to the SB live card
[03:27] <defendguin> and now the ir receiver doesn't seem to pick up anything
[03:28] <superm1> sounds like you likely jostled the cable
[03:28] <superm1> or something to that extent
[03:29] <defendguin> yeah ive plugged and replugged
[03:29] <defendguin> i guess its very touchy
[03:29] <superm1> :(
[03:29] <superm1> make sure the card is seated correctly
[03:29] <superm1> wouldnt hurt to reseat it
[03:30] <defendguin> 4452 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 --device=/dev/lirc0   is that supposed to be listed twice?
[03:30] <defendguin> seems funny
[03:30] <superm1> it wont matter for this, but no one time is enough
[03:31] <superm1> this is one of those things you have to remind yourself - you didnt change anything *software wise.  don't try to fix the software configuration that you had working.
[03:32] <defendguin> yeah
[03:33] <defendguin> i figured something software wise might be up though because the SB live card wasn't working and it started working
[03:36] <defendguin> :-D  you were right though
[03:36] <defendguin> it was about .05 mm out of the socket
[03:36] <defendguin> i'll have to remember that next time
[03:37] <defendguin> superm1: are you at all involved in the ubuntu media center project?
[03:38] <superm1> defendguin, Nope
[03:38] <superm1> just mythbuntu and ubuntu-mythtv
[03:47] <defendguin> its too bad mythtv won't be taking advantage of any nice compiz eye candy
[03:49] <superm1> it will have its on opengl stuff though
[03:49] <superm1> come 0.21
[03:49] <superm1> that you won't need a card with composite to take advantage of
[03:50] <defendguin> last time i asked in #mythtv they said "NO"
[03:50] <superm1> ah
[03:52] <defendguin> and mythtv needs to be gnome-ified
[03:52] <superm1> well its a qt app
[03:52] <superm1> so i dont see taht happening anytime in the near future
[03:53] <defendguin> i doesn't need to use GTK but they have some many damn options  it needs to be simplified
[03:53] <superm1> oh there is a svn branch that has that for a goal
[03:54] <defendguin> and if you try going through all the setups with a remote it just sucks
[03:57] <superm1> agreed though
[03:57] <superm1> there are a few branches that starteed from SoC projects
[03:57] <superm1> but i dont know what has been committed to trunk as of yet
[04:08] <defendguin> superm1: one last issue im having.  in the program guide in the top right it says loading preview in the top right corner  in the top left is the preview but something is wrong with the preview.  it has 3 smaller previews of the same channel in the same frame as the large preview
[04:09] <superm1> i've seen something like that with a buggy graphics driver
[04:09] <superm1> but never elsewise
[04:09] <defendguin> maybe i need to switch to the nvidia driver
[04:10] <superm1> nv driver?
[04:11] <defendguin> im already using the nv driver i think
[04:11] <superm1> well yes switch to nvidia
[04:11] <superm1> its night and day difference
[04:11] <superm1> especially with the improvements you can get with opengl vsync
[04:11] <superm1> and opengl menus and stuff
[04:11] <defendguin> hahaha its using the vesa driver
[04:12] <defendguin> no wonder
[04:13] <defendguin> i installed the server edition instead of the desktop
[04:13] <defendguin> is that in the restricted drivers package?
[04:15] <superm1> there is a link in the guide explaining how to switch
[04:15] <superm1> ( http://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV )
[04:15] <defendguin> i noticed
[04:16] <defendguin> there is something wrong with this page
[04:16] <defendguin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/WhatNext/Feisty?action=show&redirect=MythTV%2FInstall%2FWhatNext%2FFesity#head-9562662ba6464e40b7a094b8b06c778dfa7b7234  when clicking on the links in the contents it doesn't take me anywhere
[04:17] <superm1> just scroll instead
[04:18] <defendguin> yeah but that doesn't make it less broken
[04:18] <superm1> it happened because of the large amount of nested includes we use
[04:18] <superm1> there is a bug in moin moin
[04:18] <superm1> the wiki software running h.u.c
[04:19] <superm1> but i mean if you scroll down, all of the content is on that page explaining how to get to it
[04:29] <defendguin> lol i know   :-)
[04:32] <defendguin> for nvidia i append this libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1  and not replace the libXvMC.so.1  thats is already there?
[04:34] <superm1> for xvmc, you just edit the file in /etc
[04:34] <superm1> /etc/X11/XvMCConfig
[04:35] <defendguin> i just commented out the original line and added that one then saved and restarted gdm
[04:36] <superm1> shouldnt be much more to it
[04:40] <defendguin> great the preview is right where it is supposed to be
[04:40] <superm1> good
[04:41] <defendguin> is the osd supposed to look better using this method?
[04:41] <superm1> if you turn on xvmc, the osd is going to look b/w
[04:41] <superm1> you only really need xvmc for hidef stuff
[04:41] <defendguin> oh
[04:47] <defendguin> changing the paint method from qt to opengl doesn't make a difference
[04:52] <superm1> you have to restart the frontend
[04:52] <superm1> you'll see the difference
[04:56] <defendguin> ok
[04:56] <defendguin> hmmm looks the same still
[04:57] <superm1> u will see menu faiding and such
[04:57] <superm1> when it is on
[04:58] <defendguin> doesn't look like it.  is there some commandline way i can check to see if it is on?
[04:58] <defendguin> oh yeah it does fade between screens
[04:58] <superm1> its just turning it on in that menu
[04:58] <defendguin> i thought it would fade a little bit between menu selections or something
[04:59] <superm1> its just a small change taht it really does
[04:59] <superm1> 0.21 will introduce a whole lot more
[04:59] <defendguin> i doubt that will go back into fesity  though
[05:00] <superm1> well depends when it is released
[05:00] <superm1> i'll do a backport of course
[05:00] <defendguin> :-D
[05:01] <defendguin> who needs to redo their dvr every 6 months?  heh
[05:01] <superm1> well it should only be a matter of upgrading packages
[05:03] <defendguin> well i'll look forward to it then
[05:11] <defendguin> funny i thought the performance on this box would be bad because i only have 512MB
[05:11] <superm1> oh i've done a hidef frontend *netboot* on 512
[05:11] <defendguin> netboot?
[05:11] <superm1> for network cards supporting it, they can receive pxe information from the dhcp lease
[05:12] <superm1> and then that points it where to grab the kernel image
[05:12] <superm1> via tftp
[05:12] <superm1> and then mount the filesystem over nfs
[05:12] <defendguin> interesting
[05:12] <superm1> makes for a quiet frontend
[05:12] <superm1> since no hard drive
[05:13] <superm1> and if done right, you can easily add more frontends to a network
[05:13] <superm1> with little to no work
[05:13] <superm1> i would have done a page describing how i got everything prepared for it, but wouldnt remember all the steps i had to go through
[05:14] <defendguin> i just use this one box no need to have several computers running when one can do the job
[05:14] <superm1> so not for you then
[05:14] <superm1> its esp nice for me since my main frontend died a few weeks ago
[05:14] <superm1> bad mobo
[05:14] <superm1> soi  was able to take my desktop to the living room
[05:14] <defendguin> ouch
[05:15] <superm1> go in the bios and make it netboot
[05:15] <superm1> and everything worked immediately
[05:15] <superm1> no reconfiguration or anything
[05:15] <defendguin> wow
[05:15] <superm1> different arch's different graphics cards
[05:15] <superm1> different sound cards
[05:15] <superm1> (intel vs amd), (sb audigy vs onboard)
[05:15] <superm1> i was shocked myself :)
[05:24] <defendguin> i think the UI has lots of bad defaults
[05:28] <defendguin> like when in the program manager when you press a number the selector should switch to that number
[05:29] <defendguin> when you hit the ok button it should just take you to the channel not ask you if you want to record the show
[05:29] <defendguin> if someone wants to record it they can hit the record button
[02:59] <Daviey> DaveMorris, how did the conversion go in the end?
[03:00] <DaveMorris> find
[03:00] <DaveMorris> *fine
[03:00] <DaveMorris> took about 2-3hrs to copy it all, then swapped the drivers and changes the fstab to reflect the different fs
[03:01] <DaveMorris> I'm not sure what to do with my new backend, do I create it as a slave for the 400Mhz backend one?
[03:01] <Daviey> hmm
[03:01] <Daviey> superm1 has two backends
[03:02] <DaveMorris> or do I make it my main backend and retire the 400Mhz one which seems to work fine still.  Esp since there isn't a new version of mythbuntu out for feisty
[03:02] <Daviey> Why not take the 400mhz out of it all together?
[03:02] <DaveMorris> I prob will use the 400 for testing etc
[03:02] <Daviey> good idea sailor
[03:03] <DaveMorris> the 400 one is just quieter
[03:03] <Daviey> I broke the AGP slot on my spare server :(
[03:03] <DaveMorris> clumsy )
[03:03] <DaveMorris> ;)
[03:05] <DaveMorris> I need some more rackmount cases to tidy my place up
[03:07] <Daviey> rackmount cases?!
[03:07] <Daviey> hehe - i have two normal towers in the loft.  And one tower in the lounge :)
[03:11] <DaveMorris> yeah, I've got a cabinet, with patch pannel, 1 rackmount switch (green network), 1 rackmount hub (orange), 8port kvm swtich sitting on a shelf, 1U dual mini-itx case (FW and xen host), 4U backup server, 4U current xen host) then 3 or 4 towers stacked below not doing anything.  My desktop, tower in lounge for mythbackend, mini-itx myth frontend in lounge, bro's winXP desktop
[03:14] <Daviey> You've got a professional setup
[03:14] <Daviey> My 'switch' is 15 :)
[03:15] <Daviey> At serves upto about 8 hosts IIRC
[03:17] <DaveMorris> i picked up alot of it on ebay
[03:17] <DaveMorris> over the last 3 year
[03:17] <DaveMorris> *s
[03:17] <DaveMorris> I got the 2 4U cases from Loudmouthman
[03:18] <DaveMorris> and I needed to do it to claim back some space in my bedroom
[03:20] <Daviey> I really want to make my garage into a server room...  easier than climbing into the loft
[03:20] <DaveMorris> yeah the only expensive part is the cabinet
[03:22] <Daviey> I have an old cabinet with a glass door that i was thinking of using
[03:26] <DaveMorris> yeah you can buy the raqckmount stripping from maplins
[03:27] <DaveMorris> and make your own
[04:58] <superm1> Daviey,
[05:14] <Daviey> doh
[05:15] <DaveMorris> too slow :P
[05:17] <Daviey> How long did i miss him by?
[05:18] <DaveMorris> 82 seconds
[05:22] <Daviey> no way!
[05:22] <Daviey> that's gutting
[05:22] <DaveMorris> (16:13:13) superm1 left the room (quit: "Leaving").
[05:22] <DaveMorris> (16:14:35) Daviey: doh
[05:22] <Daviey> ah well... probably be here when he gets back :)
[06:07] <superm1> DaveMorris, u there?
[06:23] <DaveMorris> yep
[06:24] <DaveMorris> superm1: yeah
[06:25] <superm1> Hey DaveMorris
[06:26] <superm1> just wanted to see how the look was going?
[06:26] <superm1> (and) add one more thing to check out
[06:27] <DaveMorris> been busy, so all I've managed to do is download mythoppix
[06:27] <superm1> ah okay
[06:27] <DaveMorris> I'm on holiday next week so I can def do it then
[06:27] <superm1> you mean knoppmyth
[06:27] <superm1> okay, well i've been making a significant progress in ubiquity lately
[06:29] <superm1> one more thing to add to the list
[06:30] <DaveMorris> which is?
[06:30] <superm1> check out how they are handling device name changes
[06:30] <superm1> i think its by some init script that forces a module unload
[06:30] <superm1> and reload
[06:30] <superm1> of all supported devices
[06:31] <superm1> which if that's all it is, just a matter of adding such a script to our build script
[06:31] <superm1> (and eventually to a debian package)
[06:36] <superm1> Daviey,  are you there?
[06:45] <Daviey> yes
[06:45] <Daviey> sorry, stapped away for a min
[06:47] <superm1> Okay Daviey got something else for you
[06:47] <Daviey> good stuff
[06:47] <superm1> in the build script, an awfully large amount of files are created
[06:47] <superm1> by cat > file < EOF magic
[06:47] <Daviey> yes
[06:47] <superm1> these need to be moved into a debian package
[06:47] <superm1> that we will submit to revu
[06:48] <Daviey> okay... i'll literally put them as shell files in a deb?
[06:48] <superm1> preferably something like mythbuntu-live
[06:48] <superm1> well i'm thinking the ones that are created say in /etc
[06:48] <superm1> that way when ubiquity finishes, it can purge the package
[06:48] <Daviey> okay... i'll look into that tonight :)
[06:48] <superm1> and take the necessary ones with it
[06:49] <superm1> i forsee several technical difficulties with it, but it's gotta be done somehow
[06:49] <superm1> i'm thinking then too, mythbuntu-live will install all the applications that are done by apt-get install
[06:49] <superm1> or something to that effect
[06:49] <Daviey> I'll start by stripping all the cat > files out... then see where it leads me
[06:49] <superm1> k
[06:50] <superm1> well all but the one going into /tmp :)
[06:50] <superm1> because that queues up all the magic
[06:50] <Daviey> okay
[06:51] <superm1> i'm making some good progress on ubiquity so, in the near future this will become big trouble otherwise
[06:52] <Daviey> I'm really concerned with a new upstream version of ubiquity
[06:52] <Daviey> as far as i can see, i'm has to be a complete fork
[06:52] <Daviey> merging changes is going to be hellish
[06:52] <superm1> well it all depends on how much changes upstream
[06:53] <Daviey> I had another idea earlier
[06:53] <superm1> ya?
[06:53] <Daviey> Set up some simple gtk apps for configuring after installation
[06:53] <superm1> some like pygtk such apps
[06:53] <superm1> that can be used in the admin session
[06:53] <Daviey> yeah
[06:53] <superm1> yea i like that
[06:54] <Daviey> Thought about seriously looking into lirc recorder
[06:54] <superm1> well the big problem with that is the drastic changes u-m-c is going to be doing with lirc
[06:54] <Daviey> i know the MC team are also doing that - but they have a huge work load, so thought i'd thrash something out quickly, that we can ship
[06:55] <superm1> you thinking to record during ubiquity?
[06:55] <superm1> or post install
[06:55] <Daviey> post install
[06:55] <Daviey> I think the least we have in ubiquity the bettter
[06:55] <superm1> okay that's doable
[06:55] <Daviey> especially when it's stuff that could change after install
[06:55] <Daviey> don't want to maintain too many codebases
[06:55] <superm1> well that is a double edged sword really
[06:55] <superm1> because you want as much done in the same place
[06:56] <superm1> but you dont want too much to manage
[06:56] <superm1> but your right, post configuration applications are just as important
[06:56] <Daviey> I thought, on ubiquity finishing it's magic - bring up a menu that forks out to other apps
[06:56] <superm1> like a mythbuntu control center or something to that effect
[06:57] <Daviey> "mythbuntu control centRE"  - i like that :)
[06:57] <superm1> haha you uk folk,
[06:57] <Daviey> heh
[06:58] <superm1> well i think the most ideal way is to have the two code bases though, ask the questions first during install.  when they start the admin session, then they have this control panel that can be used to change anything that was done during install and some more
[06:58] <superm1> because forking during ubiquity is a little messy
[06:59] <superm1> it's bad enough that atm we will need to do it with mythtv-setup....
[06:59] <Daviey> just shelling out to "mythbuntu control centre" ;)
[07:00] <superm1> well mock together what you can here, i really like this idea
[07:00] <Daviey> Or.   After reboot loads "mythbuntu control centre" until user ticks - settings done; start mythfrontend from now on
[07:01] <superm1> there you go.
[07:01] <Daviey> hometime - catch you later
[07:01] <superm1> k
[07:01] <superm1> later
[11:03] <superm1> keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
[11:04] <keescook> oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
[11:04] <superm1> :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
[11:04] <keescook> oooh, very nice!
[11:09] <keescook> hm, my buddy will be out of town during the conference; perhaps I can put something together.  what did you want to have handy?
[11:10] <superm1> well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
[11:10] <superm1> for presentation purposes
[11:10] <superm1> so as to not have to bring a whole system over
[11:10] <keescook> that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
[11:11] <keescook> i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
[11:11] <rogue780|mythsvr> howdy
[11:12] <keescook> rogue780|mythsvr: hiya
[11:12] <keescook> superm1: dang.  how'd you score the hdhomeruns?  I've been meaning to get one of those.
[11:13] <superm1> keescook, i sent a mail over to the guys at silicon dust
[11:13] <superm1> and explained what we were going to be doing
[11:13] <superm1> and they were more than happy to send us each one
[11:13] <superm1> especially with the good PR we'll be giving them
[11:14] <superm1> Well then again, considering that we will be having an external tuner to do demos with, a laptop might just work
[11:15] <keescook> okay, well, let me know; I might be able to swing something.
[11:15] <keescook> and ask the silicon dust guys if they've got a spare for me.  ;)
[11:15] <superm1> hehe
[11:15] <superm1> well i'm not sure we'll be keeping them
[11:15] <superm1> i'll have to see whta the note in the box says when it arrives
[11:15] <keescook> not that my current poor hardware could even manage HD playback.  :P
[11:17] <superm1> keescook, you'd be surprised what you can do with nvidia cards and xvmc
[11:18] <superm1> but for the purposes of this, I think we need to make sure the computer we have is much more powerful then necessary
[11:18] <superm1> keescook, how is HD reception in that area though?
[11:19] <superm1> didn't really think about that factor yet -
[11:19] <keescook> it's pretty good, actually.  I'm little worried about what it'll be like inside the conference center, though... lots of steel
[11:19] <superm1> well if it comes down to it, we can do some recordings saturday night from the hotel
[11:19] <superm1> and just show some prerecorded content
[11:22] <superm1> keescook, writing the mail right now, would you have a spare nvidia card or ram or drive or anything to that effect sitting around that might be beneficial toward this?
[11:22] <keescook> yeah, I should be able to have at least an nvidia sitting around.  I should be able to find drives if needed too
[11:23] <superm1> Ok. i'll see what andrew has for using a laptop - that would be totally ideal for this though really thinking about it.
[11:32] <superm1> okay keescook i'll let you know what comes of this.  The general format of these presentations (in the past) is just a OOo.org presentation i'd imagine with some talk, and possibly a live demo right?
[11:32] <keescook> yup, that's how it's been for OSCON stuff
[11:37] <superm1> okay, shouldnt be too bad then.  keescook one more thing to poke about, and then i need to get back to work :)  Could you poke another person in -motu when you get a moment about mythbuntu-artwork-usplash?  I tried a couple of ppl the last few days but haven't been able to get anyone free
[11:38] <keescook> superm1: sure, I'll give it a shot.
[11:38] <superm1> okay thx keescook !  have a good day, catch ya later
[11:38] <keescook> cya!