[12:30] <Lectus> Hey
[12:31] <Lectus> installed xubuntu again... the best distro for my needs :D
[12:53] <hugomagic> join /#ubuntues
[12:53] <hugomagic> join /#ubuntu es
[01:00] <TheSheep> scanimage: open of device sm3840:libusb:002:004 failed: Access to resource has been denied
[01:00] <TheSheep> any ideas?
[01:01] <TheSheep> trying to use my scanner, it used to work
[01:01] <TheSheep> same when trying to do it as root
[01:13] <TheSheep> echo z > /proc/bus/usb/001/004
[01:13] <TheSheep> bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument
[01:13] <TheSheep> hmm..
[01:13] <TheSheep> hmm..
[02:05] <squirrelpimp> hi
[02:06] <squirrelpimp> i have a strange problem with xfwm on feisty
[02:06] <squirrelpimp> if i switch desktops windows sticked to all desktops don't get properly repainted
[02:07] <squirrelpimp> i installed recently updates and checked that error on a freshly installed notebook with an ati card and on my updated-from-edgy desktop box which has a nvidia display adapter
[02:08] <squirrelpimp> so windows look totally screwed when changing workspaces
[02:08] <squirrelpimp> any ideas?
[02:09] <Gerro> huh?
[02:10] <Gerro> don't quite understand what happened..
[02:11] <squirrelpimp> i switch workspaces (mousewheel or keyboard or clicking in the changer) and windows don't get a redraw-signal or something similiar
[02:11] <squirrelpimp> so for example mplayer-windows loose the decoration and gaim-conversations become almost totally blank until somewrite something and then only the changed line gets displayed
[02:12] <Gerro> TheSheep: oh hey just wanted to say thanks for help you gave yesterday, sysv-rc-conf worked nicely. Few things I couldn't remove though but I'll get around to that myself.
[02:12] <Gerro> squirrelpimp: what window manager you using?
[02:12] <squirrelpimp> it looks, as if they just don't getthe redraw-signal
[02:13] <Gerro> hmm try doing f1 then f7
[02:13] <squirrelpimp> xfwm4
[02:13] <Gerro> with ctrl alt held
[02:13] <Gerro> actually f1 does screen redraw I think
[02:13] <squirrelpimp> with just ctrl it just changes the workspace and shows the same behaviour
[02:14] <Gerro> wait no that is refresh in firefox lol
[02:14] <squirrelpimp> with ctrl + alt i get 80x25 system-consoles
[02:14] <squirrelpimp> f1 is help
[02:14] <squirrelpimp> i guess
[02:14] <Gerro> ctrl alt f1 then ctrl alt f7
[02:14] <Gerro> does it fix the problem?
[02:15] <squirrelpimp> yes
[02:15] <squirrelpimp> minimize and maximize does that too
[02:15] <Gerro> a full screen refresh?
[02:15] <squirrelpimp> but ctrl-f1 ctrl-f7 doesnt
[02:15] <Gerro> what is that?
[02:15] <squirrelpimp> yes...
[02:15] <squirrelpimp> on workspace-changes a fullscreen-redraw should happen i guess
[02:15] <squirrelpimp> but it doesn't
[02:16] <squirrelpimp> are multiple workspaces part of the wm?
[02:16] <Gerro> well I use nvidia drivers from the site, and xgl on top of xorg with emerald theme manager and beryl
[02:16] <Gerro> so.. I'm not really person to ask lol
[02:16] <squirrelpimp> :)
[02:16] <squirrelpimp> thank anyways
[02:16] <Gerro> oh but odd thing could you do me a favor
[02:16] <squirrelpimp> are there some dev-are-around times here?
[02:16] <squirrelpimp> sure
[02:17] <Gerro> open some form of process manager or do ps command and tell me how many xorg and gdm do you see?
[02:18] <TheSheep> Gerro: glad I could be of assistance
[02:18] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: yes, workspaces are part of the window manager
[02:18] <Gerro> strange I have two instances of gdm..
[02:18] <TheSheep> Gerro: in ps?
[02:18] <Gerro> yes
[02:18] <TheSheep> Gerro: that's normal, dunno why
[02:18] <squirrelpimp> Gerro: me too has two
[02:19] <Gerro> I did have two of xorg before but not now I think
[02:19] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: happened to you on different graphic cards?
[02:19] <Gerro> I was just doing normal browsing
[02:19] <squirrelpimp> TheSheep: yes, notebook has a pretty old radeon 9000 and desktop some nvidia
[02:19] <Gerro> squirrelpimp: what version of xubuntu you using?
[02:19] <squirrelpimp> notebook uses oss-drivers
[02:19] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: do these two installs have something specific in common?
[02:19] <squirrelpimp> latest version of feisty, latest updates
[02:20] <squirrelpimp> TheSheep: no, but the user is called pimp
[02:20] <squirrelpimp> :)
[02:20] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: you see, we don't have hundreds of people complaining about it here, so it must be something specific
[02:20] <squirrelpimp> no shared configs, desktop is dapper -> edgy -> feisty, notebook is fresh install
[02:20] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: do you have the 'proposed' repository enabled?
[02:21] <squirrelpimp> TheSheep: don't know that, so i guess no
[02:21] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: if so, then disable it
[02:21] <Gerro> system-tools-backends process running as root... that is odd
[02:21] <squirrelpimp> notebook has ~/ from hoary->dapper->feisty->broken->reinstall
[02:21] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: it contains packages that are not tested
[02:21] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: you might have pulled in some buggy package
[02:22] <Gerro> squirrelpimp: check software sources link on the menu
[02:22] <Gerro> squirrelpimp: its under system
[02:22] <squirrelpimp> only thing i could think of specific to both systems is a /home which was used in older versions where some old stuff could reside
[02:22] <squirrelpimp> so i'll try creating a fresh user
[02:23] <squirrelpimp> could this be a xorg problem?
[02:23] <squirrelpimp> sound like xfwm4-related to me
[02:23] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: this may be xorg, graphics driver, xfwm4 or something in between them
[02:23] <squirrelpimp> ok
[02:24] <squirrelpimp> where could a redraw/refresh get lost?
[02:24] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: do you have compositor enabled?
[02:24] <squirrelpimp> pimp@ratter:~$ xdpyinfo | grep -i compos
[02:24] <squirrelpimp>     Composite
[02:24] <squirrelpimp> pimp@ratter:~$
[02:24] <squirrelpimp> looks like i have
[02:25] <squirrelpimp> but i don't use it i think... i have no enabled transparency effencts
[02:25] <squirrelpimp> my xfce-panel at the bottom is not transparent or something
[02:26] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: settings->wm tweaks, last tab
[02:31] <squirrelpimp> disabled
[02:31] <squirrelpimp> oh how i'd wish the world was all 80x25:)
[02:31] <squirrelpimp> but watching pr0n using that mplayer-ascii-plugin just sucks
[02:31] <squirrelpimp> :)
[02:32] <Gerro> jiggle jiggle babe hehe.. love beryl
[02:32] <Pastorn> squirrelpimp: i tried that but didn't get it to work... what do i add to the line > mplayer file.mov
[02:33] <squirrelpimp> Pastorn: some -vo switch
[02:33] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: there is actaully enogh useful text-mode and svgalib linux apps to live happily without X
[02:33] <squirrelpimp> i think mplayer -vo aa hotpron.avi should do it
[02:33] <squirrelpimp> TheSheep: :)
[02:34] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: you could actually make a distro, if it only started mc after logging in ;)
[02:34] <squirrelpimp> mc ftl
[02:34] <TheSheep> with a menu with all the pas set up in it
[02:34] <squirrelpimp> i hate its history-file of it...
[02:35] <squirrelpimp> coworkers always use it because they hate vi
[02:35] <Pastorn> isn't there a color mode?
[02:35] <squirrelpimp> and then you can't write history | grep vi to see where they screwed things up
[02:35] <TheSheep> Pastorn: maybe with libcaca?
[02:35] <squirrelpimp> wow... mplayer supports blinkenlights
[02:35] <TheSheep> :D
[02:36] <TheSheep> anyways, nobody has an idea about that scanner?
[02:36] <squirrelpimp> which scanner?
[02:36] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: mine, allow me to demonstrate the problem:
[02:36] <TheSheep> sheep@ghostwheel:~$ scanimage
[02:36] <TheSheep> scanimage: open of device sm3840:libusb:001:004 failed: Access to resource has been denied
[02:36] <TheSheep> sheep@ghostwheel:~$ echo 'bork' > /dev/bus/usb/001/004
[02:36] <TheSheep> bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument
[02:37] <TheSheep> too late
[02:37] <squirrelpimp> tried as root?
[02:37] <squirrelpimp> i don't use a scanner
[02:37] <squirrelpimp> but i'd guess there's some scanner-group or something you have to be in
[02:38] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: it's not file permissions
[02:38] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: note the second command and the error message
[02:38] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: it's the same as root
[02:38] <squirrelpimp> anything in dmesg?
[02:38] <TheSheep> nope
[02:39] <TheSheep> and it works on, ptfu... windows
[02:39] <squirrelpimp> ptfu?
[02:39] <TheSheep> so I guess it's not hardware either
[02:39] <squirrelpimp> whats scanimage? aptitude doesnt find it
[02:39] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: sound of spitting
[02:39] <squirrelpimp> hehe
[02:39] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: part of sane-utils
[02:40] <squirrelpimp> is there a kernel-module the scanner is using??
[02:40] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: also, this scanner is supported by sane and used to work 3 months ago on feisty
[02:40] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: no, it's an usb scanner
[02:40] <squirrelpimp> i have a usb-webcam which need an own module too
[02:40] <squirrelpimp> why did it stop working?
[02:42] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: no idea
[02:44] <squirrelpimp> what does that sm3840 refer to?
[02:45] <Pastorn> > mplayer -vo caca l33tpr0n.avi
[02:45] <Pastorn> squirrelpimp: blinkenlights?
[02:46] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: no idea
[02:46] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: some address probably
[02:46] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: ah, it's the driver name
[02:46] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: ScanMaster 3840
[02:47] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: but mine is ScanMaster 3830
[02:47] <TheSheep> then again mayb they use the same driver
[02:48] <squirrelpimp> mmh... don't know where else to go
[02:48] <squirrelpimp> tried different scanning software
[02:49] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: all linux scanning softawere uses sane under the hood
[02:49] <squirrelpimp> hints pointing me to the RENDER extension causing my problem
[02:49] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: except for hp
[02:50] <squirrelpimp> tried an strace as last resort?
[02:50] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: yes, opening the /dev/bus/usb/001/004  returns -1 with errno set to 'Invalid argument'
[02:51] <squirrelpimp> but the file is there and the scanner shows up in lsusb?
[02:51] <TheSheep> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05da:30d4 Microtek International, Inc.
[02:54] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: actually, that invalid argument was with echo, stracing scanimage gives this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21771/
[02:55] <wheels3572> How do I make a program startup on bootup?
[02:56] <squirrelpimp> wheels3572: there are about 100 different ways to achieve that of which i know about 4-5
[02:56] <squirrelpimp> wheels3572: what program?
[02:56] <wheels3572> Xchat
[02:56] <squirrelpimp> in xfce?
[02:57] <wheels3572> Yes
[02:57] <Sharn> wheels3572: Applications > Settings > Autostarted Applications
[02:57] <squirrelpimp> settings -> autostarted applications
[02:58] <wheels3572> Sharn, squirrelpimp ok now that we have that established what's the commandline for Xchat
[02:58] <squirrelpimp> open a shell, type "which xchat"
[02:58] <wheels3572> squirrelpimp, ty brb
[03:00] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: this shines some light <Couldn't determine the type of the USB chip (result from sane-backends 1.0.18-cvs)>
[03:00] <Gerro> anyone know how to setup tor? I just installed it from synaptic
[03:00] <squirrelpimp> Gerro: /usr/share/doc/tor?
[03:00] <Gerro> squirrelpimp: ok thx, once again saved me some trouble :)
[03:01] <squirrelpimp> TheSheep: what light does it shine?
[03:04] <Gerro> pisses me off how totem always tries to open text files..
[03:04] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: red
[03:04] <TheSheep> Gerro: right-click on a text file, select properties, select your favorite text editor
[03:05] <Gerro> TheSheep: only does that for the single file not everyone of that type
[03:07] <TheSheep> Gerro: it changes the deafult application for that type
[03:08] <Gerro> just wondering why it defaults to trying totem
[03:08] <squirrelpimp> TheSheep: well, about your scanner... sounds like a kernel-problem to me
[03:09] <squirrelpimp> something must stop you from accessing and i can't imagine what else that could be
[03:09] <squirrelpimp> you could try to use the debug-switches when loading usb-modules
[03:09] <squirrelpimp> unload first
[03:12] <wheels3572> Who here can help me with unloading things that dont need to be started on bootup
[03:12] <squirrelpimp> wheels3572: ??
[03:12] <TheSheep> wheels3572: install sysv-rc-conf and use it
[03:12] <squirrelpimp> wheels3572: sysvconfig
[03:13] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: no, I found the problem -- the scanner is not supported by standard sane backends, but someone wrote a backend for it. unfortunatelly, the backend only works with version 1.0.15, and feisty has now 1.0.18
[03:14] <squirrelpimp> ouch
[03:14] <squirrelpimp> that's sad
[03:14] <squirrelpimp> feisty seems to have lots of problems
[03:14] <squirrelpimp> libata, ubstart, X,
[03:15] <TheSheep> nod nod
[03:15] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: especially when I run gutsy ;)
[03:15] <squirrelpimp> i cought myself thinking about debian more than once in the last days
[03:15] <squirrelpimp> :)
[03:15] <squirrelpimp> does gutsy improve things?
[03:16] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: not really, it's two weeks old
[03:16] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: not very different from feisty yet
[03:16] <Sharn> Feisty has worked great for me so far. Except for the make errors. :P
[03:20] <Gerro> what make errors?
[03:35] <Sharn> Can I like sudo-delete everything in Trash? I have a few things that won't delete.
[03:36] <Gerro> hmm I followed that guide for tor and installed privoxy but I don't really like that, can't I just forward dns over my non tor link?
[03:38] <TheSheep> haha, it's alive! alive!
[03:39] <VR_> Sharn: you could cd into ~/.Trash and the sudo rm -rf *
[03:40] <VR_> the=then
[03:40] <Sharn> Nevermind mine, just restored them and rmed.
[03:40] <Gerro> VR_: the!=then
[03:40] <TheSheep> Gerro: you're just jelous
[03:40] <Sharn> Nice to know where Trash is located though. :P
[03:40] <Gerro> TheSheep: nah really wish I could get my webcam going though, it is a usb type yet integrated into my laptop
[03:41] <VR_> Sharn: actually, it might not be there in xfce...
[03:41] <Gerro> is there
[03:41] <Gerro> wait... umm don't know about feisty
[03:41] <VR_> it's not there
[03:42] <VR_> bah
[03:42] <Sharn> The file structure should be almost exactly the same through all *buntus, shouldn't it?
[03:42] <VR_> Sharn: yeah, it should be
[03:42] <Gerro> ah /.local/share/Trash
[03:42] <VR_> there you go
[03:42] <VR_> i don't have a /.local/
[03:42] <VR_> =\
[03:43] <TheSheep> Sharn: it's defined by freedesktop.org standard
[03:43] <TheSheep> VR_: there are actually 3 palces possible
[03:43] <Gerro> 3 palaces? damn I want a linux palace installed onto my comp
[03:44] <TheSheep> !lart Gerro
[03:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lart gerro - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:44] <TheSheep> :/
[03:44] <TheSheep> wrong channel I guess
[03:44] <Gerro> pop lart?
[03:44] <VR_> it's in ~/.local/share/
[03:45] <Sharn> Mmk
[03:45] <Gerro> VR_: said that like 5 minutes ago :P
[03:45] <VR_> Gerro: you said /.local/share
[03:45] <Sharn> Gerro: ou left out the ~
[03:45] <TheSheep> Gerro: and who's laughing now at the typos? ;)
[03:45] <Gerro> I said /.local/share/Trash/
[03:46] <TheSheep> Gerro: and it's wrong, *wrong*, WRONG!
[03:46] <VR_> Gerro: still wrong, sir! =P
[03:46] <TheSheep> I love how windows handles tilde ;)
[03:47] <Sharn> I love how windows handles everything. ;)
[03:47] <Gerro> /home/palaces/.local/share/Trash/ :P
[04:09] <Raptor45> I am suffering an issue where my window boarders are corrupted on open office and wine, this is a fresh install... what might be wrong?
[04:10] <Catoptromancy> maybe a different windows managers settings theme
[04:10] <Raptor45> didn't help
[04:27] <Sharn> A screenshot would probably/maybe help.
[04:28] <big_area> hey everybody, whats the fix for monitor resolution in feisty?
[04:28] <Raptor45> Sharn, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=449640
[04:39] <Sharn> Raptor45: I probably can't help.... I would suggest going to the openoffice irc channel and asking. (If they have one?) And, have you searched Google well?
[04:40] <Raptor45> Sharn, I've been trying several different things without luck
[04:45] <Sharn> Well, sorry. I really don't know much about it all. I jsut go by common sense. :P
[04:47] <Catoptromancy> Is openoffice made with gtk ? or similar?
[04:47] <Catoptromancy> maybe update gtk
[04:47] <crdlb> no
[04:47] <Catoptromancy> its made with something for a gui
[04:47] <crdlb> it uses its own toolkit
[04:47] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[04:47] <Catoptromancy> but wine has same problem
[04:48] <Catoptromancy> well for raptor
[04:48] <Catoptromancy> wonder what wine draws GUI with
[04:51] <Sharn> Yeah, it's whatever is in common if it looks just the same.
[04:57] <aboyousif> good morning (according to CLT :) )
[04:59] <Raptor45> my audio doesn't work in xubuntu either, I'm thinking maybe that's related
[05:00] <aboyousif> Raptor45, your audio card or your speaker ?
[05:00] <Raptor45> audio card
[05:00] <Raptor45> its a laptop
[05:00] <Raptor45> well, actually idk
[05:00] <Raptor45> there is a high pitched BEEEP during startup
[05:00] <aboyousif> Raptor45, if you use laptop ubuntu may fail to bring the speakers on try to test with headset
[05:01] <Raptor45> ubuntu did it fine, only xubuntu is having isues
[05:01] <Raptor45> I'll try headphones
[05:01] <Sharn> That's interesting... I doubt they're related, though.
[05:01] <Raptor45> lspci seems to list them as a similar device
[05:03] <aboyousif> Raptor45, tried headphone ?
[05:04] <Raptor45> sorry
[05:04] <Raptor45> doing a coupel things at once
[05:04] <Raptor45> lol
[05:04] <aboyousif> Raptor45, it is ok ..
[05:06] <Raptor45> oh hey, it works with the headphones!
[05:06] <aboyousif> Raptor45, so it is speakers .. i don't know how it brings on :)
[05:11] <Raptor45> my more pressing worry is getting open office to work
[05:13] <aboyousif> Raptor45, i didn't try oo with xubuntu but i think it will work ok .. it will be very slow here :)
[05:16] <Sharn> Works OK for me. =\
[05:28] <wheels3572> Who here knows when Pidgin will be put in the REpos
[05:29] <Gerro> I just downloaded a .deb package for it...
[05:29] <Gerro> look it up online and do dpkg -i on the package
[05:29] <Gerro> its not all that flashy really
[05:30] <wheels3572> ok
[05:30] <wheels3572> Gerro it gets me outta beta though lol
[05:31] <wheels3572> im not good with the commands so what exactly am I typing?
[05:36] <Gerro> http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=235&filename=pidgin-2.0.0.tar.bz2
[05:36] <Gerro> extract that, cd into the directory, ./configure, make, sudo su, make install
[05:36] <Gerro> and wow its done
[05:51] <null> how can i abort a shutdown now?
[07:23] <BFTD> is there some program that'll let me edit .pfd?
[07:24] <BFTD> or better yet, just create .pdf's
[07:25] <aboyousif> BFTD, you can print to pdf file with cups-pdf
[07:26] <BFTD> hrm
[07:26] <BFTD> example
[07:26] <aboyousif> BFTD, http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/23/print-to-pdf-using-cups-pdf/
[08:13] <pussfeller> I am running breezy server.. to upgrade to latest xubuntu, i install the breezy xubuntu-desktop, then change source to fiesty and update again?
[08:14] <aboyousif> pussfeller, mm i think you should go to dapper then edgy then feisty ..
[08:15] <pussfeller> yeah, probably
[09:34] <JKnife> max!
[09:34] <maxamillion> hello :)
[09:34] <JKnife> wait till you see this
[09:34] <maxamillion> shoot
[09:34] <JKnife> gotta upload.. one sec
[09:35] <maxamillion> JKnife: can you deop yourself? ... its bad to have ops hanging around, people are bound to ask you to do stuffs :P
[09:35] <maxamillion> k
[09:35] <maxamillion> thankies
[09:35] <JKnife> o.O i didn't relize you oped me
[09:35] <JKnife> i just saw you hide
[09:35] <JKnife> http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4346/ss2jg7.png
[09:36] <JKnife> think i out did myself?
[09:37] <maxamillion> JKnife: uhmm... yes
[09:37] <JKnife> by the way.. that is the real deal XD
[09:37] <maxamillion> wait ... that's OS X?
[09:38] <JKnife> XD
[09:38] <JKnife> version me
[09:38] <JKnife> XD
[09:38] <maxamillion> awww, that's not as impressive ... i thought you themed something that well
[09:39] <JKnife> i had gnome *CLOSE*
[09:39] <maxamillion> rgr
[09:40] <maxamillion> well, kudos for getting hacked OS X on your machine .... can you download official updates without it borking?
[09:40] <JKnife> i read somewhere i can
[09:40] <JKnife> just not kernel upgrades
[09:43] <maxamillion> huh ... interesting
[09:43] <maxamillion> _grazie: hi :)
[09:43] <_grazie> maxamillion: hi there
[09:43] <_grazie> maxamillion: your exams finished now?
[09:43] <maxamillion> _grazie: yup
[09:43] <maxamillion> _grazie: but i have to move houses in 5 days, so i might be out of comission for about another week or so :(
[09:44] <JKnife> :/
[09:44] <JKnife> ohh adam i think that channel died =\
[09:44] <_grazie> maxamillion: yeah I moved a couple of weeks ago and it hasn't been smooth for me. Hope you have better luck
[09:46] <maxamillion> _grazie: i doubt i will, i am switching electric companies and switching from cable to satelite to save some money :/
[09:57] <TheSheep> maxamillion: you mean you'll receive your electricity from a satelite using microwaves? %)
[09:57] <TheSheep> maxamillion: maybe just dropping battery packs from an airplane will be cheaper
[09:57] <maxamillion> TheSheep: lol
[09:57] <maxamillion> TheSheep: one thing i worry about is that i will be getting satelite internet ... i worry that it will be horribly slow
[09:57] <JKnife> :(
[09:57] <TheSheep> JKnife: hop now ;)
[09:57] <maxamillion> lol
[01:42] <darrend> anybody know WTF mysql-server depends on postfix???
[02:43] <manu1> hi
[02:43] <manu1> i wanted to install my hp network printer
[02:43] <manu1> but as i see in the options of xfce i can only add local printers :/
[02:51] <manu1> i'm new to xfce
[02:59] <Prodoc> good afternoon
[02:59] <Prodoc> I'm trying to get Eclipse up and running but something is going wrong
[03:00] <Prodoc> I'm not interested in Java development and all, so I tried installing a clean Eclipse by using Synaptic and installing 'eclipse-platform'
[03:01] <Prodoc> all dependencies where installed but Eclipse is nowhere to be seen
[03:03] <Prodoc> nothing was added to the application menu, in usr/share/app-install/desktop there's an Eclipse.desktop file but executing it will fail because the application is simply not installed and there for not in the specified location in that file
[03:04] <Prodoc> any idea what's going wrong?
[03:06] <Prodoc> or was installing eclipse-platform the wrong move?
[03:38] <manu1> anyone here
[03:39] <Catoptromancy> 81 people here
[03:39] <Catoptromancy> it appears 79 are idle
[03:45] <TheSheep> not idle, just avoiding java when possible
[03:47] <Prodoc> if that's meant to be a comment on my questions, note the 'not interested in Java development and all' ;-)
[04:00] <TheSheep> Prodoc: eclipse is written in java
[04:35] <sercanii> my kubuntu desktop (not alternate) cd stops responding when I comlete the install forms and press the install now button ( it crashs in dedecting parttions )
[04:35] <sercanii> plz help
[04:36] <sercanii> not kub xubuntu
[04:37] <TheSheep> sercanii: 'failed to create ext3 filesystem'?
[04:37] <sercanii> probably , in desktop mod I cant see details...
[04:38] <sercanii> but alternate cd I can easly create partitions
[04:38] <sercanii> ext3 etc..
[04:40] <TheSheep> sercanii: bug #107259
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[04:41] <sercanii> and when I start the xubuntu cd, I cant see menus uppward and downward :D they r hiding :P
[04:41] <sercanii> thankss UBOTU
[04:41] <sercanii> :P
[04:41] <sercanii> and the Sheep
[04:42] <TheSheep> sercanii: that can be remiedied by pressing 'alt+f2' and typing 'xfce4-panel'
[04:43] <sercanii> I note it, thanks
[04:48] <abrahao> Hi, how Can I access ubuntu via internet?
[04:51] <TheSheep> abrahao: via ssh, for example
 thanks, but is there an gui option?
[04:52] <TheSheep> abrahao: you can run gui programs through an ssh tunnel, but you can also look at vnc or nxclient
[04:52] <TheSheep> !vnc | abrahao
[04:52] <ubotu> abrahao: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[04:53] <TheSheep> !freenx | abrahao
[04:53] <ubotu> abrahao: FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[04:54] <abrahao> thanks
[04:55] <sercanii> another question :D, my usb host device stops responding when I boot my computer with any usb plugin device... kubuntu, ubuntu ( all ubuntu dist.s ) (some linux dist this eror not occur), thanks
[04:56] <sercanii> 05/18/2007 03:43:03 AM	kubuntu	kernel	[  121.474637]  usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
[04:56] <sercanii> 05/18/2007 03:43:03 AM	kubuntu	kernel	[  121.653880]  usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[04:56] <sercanii> 05/18/2007 03:43:04 AM	kubuntu	kernel	[  122.690242]  uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.2: host system error, PCI problems?
[04:56] <sercanii> 05/18/2007 03:43:04 AM	kubuntu	kernel	[  122.690280]  uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.2: host controller halted, very bad!
[04:56] <sercanii> 05/18/2007 03:43:04 AM	kubuntu	kernel	[  122.690317]  uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.2: HC died; cleaning up
[04:56] <sercanii> 05/18/2007 03:43:04 AM	kubuntu	kernel	[  122.690364]  usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 2
[04:56] <sercanii> 05/18/2007 03:43:06 AM	kubuntu	kernel	[  124.690599]  p54usb: reset failed!
[04:56] <sercanii> 05/18/2007 03:43:06 AM	kubuntu	kernel	[  124.690857]  prism54usb: probe of 1-1:1.0 failed with error -110
[04:56] <sercanii> 05/18/2007 03:43:06 AM	kubuntu	kernel	[  124.700669]  usbcore: registered new interface driver prism54usb
[04:56] <sercanii> 05/18/2007 03:43:56 AM	kubuntu	kernel	[  173.323449]  NET: Registered protocol family 10
[04:56] <sercanii> 05/18/2007 03:43:56 AM	kubuntu	kernel	[  173.323819]  lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions
[04:57] <TheSheep> !pastebin | sercanii
[04:57] <ubotu> sercanii: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:06] <sercanii> sorry 4 flood :( I didnt use this irc client before.. does nobody knows how can I fix this problem?
[05:11] <TheSheep> sercanii: I'd google for prism54usb: probe of 1-1:1.0 failed with error -110
 Serdecznie dzikuj, I'd google it too, few weeks ago but i am nooby in linux now, I probably cant see the solution... some web sites has a few info about that they told that firmware update requared...
[06:40] <arkanabar> I'm already running ubuntu and kubuntu in edgy, more or less ok (gksu and kdesu are having authentication problems, but sudo still works).  Is there anything to stop me from going, say, "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" to give xubuntu a try?
[06:41] <pleia2> arkanabar: nope
[06:42] <pleia2> arkanabar: should work fine
[06:42] <arkanabar> pleia2, thanks.
[06:42] <arkanabar> Do you notice faster software launches and boots with xubuntu?
[06:43] <pleia2> not boots, but xubuntu is quite a bit slimmer than the other two so you might notice some programs loading faster
[06:44] <arkanabar> cool.  it may be kinda silly of me to grouse over the few seconds it takes things to launch, but I do.
[06:44] <zials> I noticed a faste shut-down... (if that matters x.x)
[06:45] <zials> faster*
[06:45] <pleia2> arkanabar: not silly at all :)
[06:46] <arkanabar> I expect xubuntu will also do better running UO and WoW through WINE than the kde/gnome versions.
[06:47] <arkanabar> I hope to like it enough to do away with Win2k boots entirely.
[06:48] <TheSheep> wine can be moody :\
[06:49] <arkanabar> Yes, that's why I'm still keeping Win2k.
[07:05] <arkanabar> hah, it works, there I am.
[08:07] <aabrahao> hI, I have installed the x11 and thinnyvnc, etc. In the server when I type x11vnc command not found appeards
[08:15] <aabrahao> anyone?
[08:29] <RememberPOL> I'm having problems mounting a blank CD-R in my CD-RW... has anyone experienced similar problems?
[08:31] <grazie> RememberPOL: you mount a filesystem which a blank CD-R doesn't have...hence problem
[08:32] <RememberPOL> well I'm trying to use Serpentine Audio CD Creator to burn some MP3s as an audio disc but it fails writing also..
[08:32] <RememberPOL> Even if I run it with sudo
[08:33] <RememberPOL> it actually says 'converting files failed'
[08:33] <grazie> RememberPOL: don't know that application, but you shouldn't be mounting. Have you tried alternatives?
[08:34] <grazie> grazie: are your codecs ok?
[08:34] <RememberPOL> and before this...i tried Graveman which claims to support burning ogg,mp3,wav,etc but it couldn't load the mp3s either
[08:34] <RememberPOL> i mean
[08:34] <RememberPOL> i can PLAY mp3s on my system just fine so i figured so
[08:34] <RememberPOL> i'm not sure if i can actually play wavs though
[08:35] <RememberPOL> do wavs work out of the box?
[08:35] <grazie> i use graveman, but never write audio cds, so not a lot of experience with that
[08:36] <RememberPOL> guess i'll try xcdroast
[08:36] <RememberPOL> if that doesn't work then it must be some codec issue
[08:45] <grazie> RememberPOL: sorry...you need a codec for wav, couldn't tell you which with one without looking it up
[08:45] <RememberPOL> weird
[08:45] <RememberPOL> it appears graveman has issues with the latest version of sox which does the converting
[08:45] <grazie> sounds like you're getting somewhere :) (excuse the pun)
[08:52] (Sharntehnub/#xubuntu) Somebody is on under my name... Hmmm.
[08:55] <aabrahao> Where Can I find a windows client to vnc ubuntu
[08:56] <Sharntehnub>  /msg nickserv link Sharn forgot
[08:56] <Sharntehnub> Crapola
[08:58] <Sharntehnub> CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG
[08:59] <aabrahao> Where Can I find a windows client to vnc ubuntu?
[09:02] <Sharntehnub> aabrahao, http://www.realvnc.com/download.html   Is this what you want?
[09:03] <RememberPOL> guess i'll just use gnomebaker because it's quicker and easier than manually converting all my mp3s to wavs thxs :)
[09:13] <Laibsch> How do I tell the kernel to mount root from NFS?  I cannot seem to get it right
 yes, thanks, But I cant connect to the server, appears negotiating protocol and nothing happens
[09:20] <W8TAH> how do i uninstall a package AND all its deps that were pulled in?
 yes, thanks, But I cant connect to the server, appears negotiating protocol and nothing happens
[09:34] <darrend> W8TAH: what did you use to install it?
[09:35] <W8TAH> darrend, i installed it via the add/remove application
[09:35] <W8TAH> the answer turned out to be to delete /etc/vmware
[09:36] <TheSheep> W8TAH: bad idea
[09:36] <W8TAH> more specifically i uninstalled it via the add/remove and then removed /etc/vmware
[09:37] <TheSheep> W8TAH: 'apt-get remove --purge vmware' would do the trick just fine
[09:37] <W8TAH> ahhh -- ok
[09:37] <TheSheep> W8TAH: or use synaptic and 'remove with config files'
[09:37] <W8TAH> ok
[09:37] <darrend> unless you're on Dapper I think..?
[09:38] <W8TAH> im on feisty
[09:38] <darrend> s'ok then.  I think apt-get didn't inherit aptitude's dependency tracking until edgy
[09:41] <W8TAH> thanks for the assist guys - the install bombed out anyway and its not important enough to dedicate more time to -- it was a fun project not serious work anyway
[09:45] <Sharn> Installing VMware?
[09:46] <aabrahao> When I try to connect to the server via vnc, appears negotiating protocol and nothing happens
[09:48] <TheSheep> aabrahao: you need to be running a vncserver on the other host
 how
[09:57] <aabrahao> ?
[10:05] <grazie> !vnc | aabrahao
[10:05] <ubotu> aabrahao: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[10:06] <grazie> aabrahao: vnc is a client/server technologies...maybe the link above helps
 all think are installed, but when I try to run x11vnc or vncserver appears an error
[10:08] <grazie> aabrahao: you may get more help if you post the error(s)
[11:30] <Lectus> hey
[11:31] <Lectus> is there a plugin that displays the music I'm listening in gaim? I've seen this in kopete. I'd like to know if there is something like that for gaim (default IM for xubuntu)
[11:42] <maxamillion> Lectus: what application you using to listen to music?
[11:47] <ThatTallGuy> Ping:  Anybody here familiar with the sound bug in Feisty Fawn?
[11:50] <maxamillion> ThatTallGuy: "the sound bug"?
[11:51] <crimsun> I can think of oh, six or seven hundred sound bugs.
[11:51] <maxamillion> crimsun: i was just about to ping you once i got specifics :)
[11:51] <crimsun> I have a highlight on 'sound'.
[11:52] <Lectus> maxamillion: XMMS
[11:52] <ThatTallGuy> OK, I have a Thnkpad x22 which was working fine, soundwise, under Edgy Eft Ubuntu...
[11:53] <Lectus> maxamillion: But I can try other if there is a plugin for other player
[11:53] <ThatTallGuy> Had a HD go belly-up and so replaced it with a fresh install of FF Xubuntu (only 256M on the machine.)
[11:54] <ThatTallGuy> There is no longer any sound.  Alsamixer reports "No such device".
[11:54] <maxamillion> Lectus: xmms is the most likely to have a plugin ... lemme check
[11:54] <crimsun> ThatTallGuy: pastebin ``lspci -v''
[11:54] <ThatTallGuy> lspci gives
[11:54] <ThatTallGuy> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
[11:55] <maxamillion> Lectus: its in a package called gaim-xmms-remote and the plugin allows you to control xmms
[11:55] <ThatTallGuy> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
[11:55] <ThatTallGuy>         Subsystem: IBM ThinkPad T23 (2647-4MG) or A30/A30p (2652/2653)
[11:55] <ThatTallGuy>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
[11:55] <ThatTallGuy>         I/O ports at 1c00 [size=256] 
[11:55] <ThatTallGuy>         I/O ports at 18c0 [size=64] 
[11:55] <crimsun> ThatTallGuy: ok, then pastebin ``cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer -c0''
[11:56] <ThatTallGuy> First cmd gives     0 [I82801CAICH3   ] : ICH - Intel 82801CA-ICH3
[11:56] <ThatTallGuy>                       Intel 82801CA-ICH3 with CS4299 at 0x1c00, irq 11
[11:56] <ThatTallGuy> 2nd cmd is large, want it all?
[11:56] <crimsun> ThatTallGuy: don't paste here.  Use http://pastebin.ca
[11:57] <Lectus> maxamillion: I'll try. Thank you
[11:57] <ThatTallGuy> http://pastebin.ca/501148
[11:58] <maxamillion> Lectus: no problem
[12:05] <Lectus> maxamillion: It didn't work. it says I'm using gaim-gtk, but it requires gtk. Also it seems it's not what I'm searching for. This looks like a plugin to control XMMS from Gaim. I really want a plugin to show the music name I'm listening to on the nickname message.
[12:11] <maxamillion> Lectus: ohhh, yeah ... not entirely sure about that
[12:22] <crabgrass> my desktop isn't updating... for instance, when i delete something, the icon stays there; if i move something, the icon appears in both places and the little blue grid boxes stay as well. anyone know what's wrong? could it be conky?