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| manchicken_ | Riddell: We need to smack whoever decided not to make KDE3 compatibility classes for the various KDE3 action classes. | 12:28 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 12:31 |
| Hobbsee | cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/services/kresources/kabc/net.desktop': No such file or directory | 12:32 |
| crimsun | from? | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | kdelibs 3.5.7 | 12:39 |
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| nixternal | dh_install --list-missing | 12:39 |
| Hobbsee | oh bugger, not this root problem again | 12:39 |
| nixternal | haha, I had to go through and do that | 12:40 |
| nixternal | I am stuck not having libsyndication, so I can't build kde4pim | 12:40 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 12:40 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: would you happen to know of a way that all the files dont change to ownership root when bindmounting a directory in pbuilder? | 12:44 |
| Hobbsee | does using fakeroot stop that? | 12:44 |
| crimsun | fakeroot shouldn't have anything to do with that. | 12:45 |
| Hobbsee | that's what i thought... | 12:45 |
| Hobbsee | i just dont rememmber usually having this problem | 12:45 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: oh dear. i look like a drowned water rat in that picture | 12:55 |
| crimsun | hehe, I just watched Flushed Away last night (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0424095/) | 12:59 |
| === Hobbsee pokes for life | ||
| Hobbsee | how is 1300 UTC for our meeting, sometime next week? | 01:12 |
| ajmitch | 1AM, lovely | 01:16 |
| === ajmitch will try & be asleep by then | ||
| ajmitch | :) | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | maybe, 1300 UTC on this friday, seeing as there's nothign else scheduled | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | poor ajmitch | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: you have to do the MOTU one | 01:17 |
| ajmitch | I know | 01:17 |
| ajmitch | I'll try & avoid it if possible | 01:17 |
| crimsun | I'm a bit dismayed that a couple people are unhappy with the current situation but haven't proposed feasible resolutions. | 01:20 |
| crimsun | Oh well. :-) | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: yes, we suck. | 01:21 |
| Hobbsee | we know it. | 01:21 |
| crimsun | nah, no one in here. | 01:22 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: still, it doesnt mean that we're not thinking about it, just because we're not actually proposing a solution | 01:22 |
| === Hobbsee thought she was the troublemaking one | ||
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: you are | 01:22 |
| Hobbsee | oh good | 01:23 |
| nixternal | I would propose a solution, but I don't even know what the problem is ;) | 01:23 |
| Hobbsee | good thing i was too cold to cause trouble at UDS then | 01:23 |
| crimsun | nixternal: we know your problem. Stop using Vista as the excuse! | 01:23 |
| nixternal | nevah! | 01:23 |
| nixternal | Vista > GNOME any day | 01:23 |
| nixternal | KDE > Vista > Windows ME > GNOME | 01:23 |
| nixternal | tis what you get! | 01:24 |
| nixternal | and another kde4 build bites the dust | 01:24 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:24 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: who do you think will win? you or me? | 01:24 |
| nixternal | you | 01:24 |
| nixternal | hands down | 01:24 |
| === Hobbsee wonders just how long she's got for these builds | ||
| manchicken | Oh, come on. Proprietary software will never be better than Free Software :) | 01:26 |
| manchicken | Besides, we looked at Ubuntu Studio at the Ubuntu-Illinois meeting. | 01:27 |
| nixternal | manchicken: in this case.... ;) | 01:27 |
| manchicken | Not too shabby. | 01:27 |
| nixternal | Kubuntu Studio would be better | 01:27 |
| === nixternal hears a project coming on | ||
| nixternal | Ku Ku Studio | 01:27 |
| nixternal | sing it like Phil Collins would though | 01:28 |
| nixternal | ahh, the reason for this build failure for kdeedu is booged code it seems | 01:28 |
| nixternal | error: 'class QPolygonF' has no member named 'containsPoint' | 01:29 |
| nixternal | lovely | 01:29 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:29 |
| manchicken | nixternal: Get right on that :) | 01:30 |
| nixternal | on which one? | 01:31 |
| manchicken | kubuntu studio | 01:31 |
| nixternal | the code or the Phil Collins Kubuntu | 01:31 |
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| nixternal | uploading my kde4 amd64 packages now | 02:03 |
| nixternal | admin, graphics, toys, multimedia, and games | 02:03 |
| nixternal | nothing else wants to play nice and build | 02:03 |
| nixternal | so the rest need some tweaking to satisfy | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 02:04 |
| nixternal | and from the looks of it, a lot of tweaking | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | you're beating me, then | 02:04 |
| nixternal | that won't last long | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: and lots of pointy-clicky vista action? | 02:04 |
| nixternal | omg drown! | 02:04 |
| nixternal | haha | 02:04 |
| nixternal | damn you crimsun | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 02:04 |
| nixternal | it has migrated to another channel | 02:05 |
| nixternal | it started in motu, now kubuntu-devel...what's next? | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | #ubuntu-devel | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | hte rest of the ubuntu channels | 02:05 |
| nixternal | nobody knows me there | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | sure sure | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: you know you're going to be teased about that forever, dont you? | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | i'm surprised no one's blogged about it yet | 02:08 |
| nixternal | thanks Hobbsee for giving them the idea | 02:09 |
| nixternal | haha | 02:09 |
| nixternal | I have never ever even used Vista | 02:09 |
| === Hobbsee pulls up her blog... | ||
| crimsun | sure, that's what they all say... | 02:09 |
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| nixternal | I will admit to having a 20GB partition with XP on it though | 02:09 |
| crimsun | nah, that's Vista with an XP theme. | 02:10 |
| nixternal | lol | 02:10 |
| nixternal | I can't afford Vista | 02:10 |
| === Hobbsee has an XP partition | ||
| === Hobbsee has 2 linux ones, though | ||
| Hobbsee | well, + /home | 02:10 |
| nixternal | I only use it for the stupid VB class at school and to play Battlefield 2 | 02:10 |
| nixternal | oh, I have at least 20 linux ones | 02:10 |
| nixternal | hehe | 02:11 |
| nixternal | not including chroots | 02:11 |
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| Hobbsee | LOCK KDEgames | 02:31 |
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| jjesse | evening | 02:36 |
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| Hobbsee | woot! kdelibs built | 02:37 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/kde4-feisty-amd64/ | 02:47 |
| nixternal | that is what we have so far | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: is it shiny? | 02:48 |
| nixternal | nope | 02:48 |
| nixternal | hehe | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | aww | 02:48 |
| nixternal | JR has the rest on http://kubuntu.or/~jriddell/tmp/3.90.1 | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | does it point and click? | 02:48 |
| nixternal | you know it | 02:48 |
| nixternal | Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/7.10/kubuntu-docs/ | 03:14 |
| === Hobbsee builds kdegames | ||
| jjesse | hiya nixternal | 03:16 |
| nixternal | howdy jjesse | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | ewww, kdepim buglist looks evil | 03:16 |
| nixternal | alrighty, nevermind kflickr then | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | kdenetwork looks equally bad | 03:17 |
| nixternal | ya, kdepim is nasty | 03:18 |
| nixternal | I went through one evening a few months back and attempted to clean it up as well | 03:18 |
| nixternal | wth needs a sync/merge that hasn't already? | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | ksudoku will, but not yet | 03:19 |
| nixternal | k | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | (it hasnt cleared debian yet) | 03:19 |
| nixternal | I will work on tonio's kftpgrabber | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | oh, iknow | 03:19 |
| nixternal | oh you do | 03:19 |
| nixternal | tell me ;) | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | yakuake needs cleaning up | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | we should sync that from debian, if we can, and push our changes back | 03:20 |
| nixternal | ahh, my favorite | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | basket 1.0.2 is released, too | 03:20 |
| nixternal | we can sync it from debian I believe..I am running a debian version...ooh, I am using hte new beta one..that's right | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | excellent | 03:20 |
| nixternal | I will check it out now | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | good. still building. | 03:21 |
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| nixternal | hrmm..i figured since ana was doing yakuake it would be in extras | 03:24 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: that libtool update patch, I can replace that with the relibtoolization at build like we have been doing in kde-extras | 03:27 |
| nixternal | that will drop a patch | 03:27 |
| nixternal | then again...it is patched in debian as well | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: ahhh... | 03:28 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 03:28 |
| nixternal | now yakuake_2.8~beta1-1 doesn't have any patches at all | 03:29 |
| nixternal | I don't believe it is going to stay beta much longer, but Sho_ would know better about that | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | right, yeah | 03:31 |
| nixternal | I wonder if we should even worry about 2.7.5 for Gutsy | 03:33 |
| nixternal | want to just request a beta sync? or is that to scary | 03:34 |
| nixternal | basket 1.0.2-1 is already in the repos | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | oh neat | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, request the beta sync | 03:38 |
| nixternal | roger | 03:38 |
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| jjesse | wow i have no focus tonight to get any work done | 03:50 |
| Jucato | what is focus? | 03:52 |
| Jucato | :/ | 03:52 |
| jjesse | apparently something i'm lacking tonight | 03:52 |
| Jucato | something I must be lacking for years now... or maybe my whole life :D | 03:52 |
| jjesse | i think its the heroes season finale that is doing it | 03:53 |
| Jucato | hehe :) | 03:53 |
| nixternal | I can hear it playing | 03:53 |
| jjesse | wow that was an awesome ending :) | 03:59 |
| jjesse | maybe now i can work | 04:00 |
| Jucato | "maybe"... :D | 04:00 |
| yuriy | shh i haven't seen it yet, others are watching 24 | 04:04 |
| jjesse | yuriy: ok i won't tell anything | 04:04 |
| jjesse | some of us don't care about 24 :) | 04:04 |
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| nixternal | grr, no go on yakuake sync...we had Kubuntu changes..I have updated the changes, dropped one patch, and am building it now..will request merge after testing | 04:36 |
| nixternal | hrmm, wrong chan | 04:37 |
| jjesse | grin :) | 04:37 |
| Jucato | :P | 04:37 |
| nixternal | hehe | 04:37 |
| nixternal | oh well | 04:37 |
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| _marseillais | hi | 08:20 |
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| Lure | Riddell: re 3.5.7> knetworkmanager works now, thanks | 09:20 |
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| _StefanS_ | morning | 10:04 |
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| Tonio_ | hey :) | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: interested in fixing another media related bug ? | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: very small one, bug annoying :) | 10:09 |
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| Tonio_ | hi mbiebl | 10:11 |
| mbiebl | Tonio_: hi | 10:11 |
| _marseillais_ | yop Tonio_ :) | 10:21 |
| _marseillais_ | could you come 2 minutes on kubuntu-fr | 10:21 |
| _marseillais_ | i got a little thing to ask to you | 10:21 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: kdegames done | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | anyone alive? | 11:02 |
| _marseillais_ | hi Hobbsee | 11:04 |
| _marseillais_ | for the patch i send to you yesterday | 11:04 |
| _marseillais_ | it build but it makes kopete crash (i've only install kopete from kde3.5.7 and keep all kdenetwork from kde 3.5.6 | 11:04 |
| _marseillais_ | i'll try today to fix it | 11:04 |
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| Hobbsee | ahh | 11:04 |
| Hobbsee | okay | 11:05 |
| Hobbsee | hi Tonio_! | 11:05 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: got kdelibs available? | 11:17 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: sure | 11:17 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: same place as the rest | 11:17 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: remind me again where that is | 11:18 |
| === Hobbsee has done arts, kdelibs, kdegames, and is working on kdepim at the moment | ||
| Hobbsee | hobbsee.ubuntwire.com/kdelibs | 11:18 |
| Hobbsee | and the binaries are in /debs | 11:18 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you're looking at doing some? | 11:18 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I'll look at uploading what you've done first | 11:19 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: okay :) | 11:19 |
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| === Hobbsee closes more bugs. | ||
| Riddell | nixternal: where are your source packages? | 11:23 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: suggest you use /lastlog | 11:25 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: kde 3.5.7 was to be the last kde4 release, right? | 11:27 |
| Riddell | that's unclear, there may be a 3.5.8 | 11:27 |
| sebas | Hobbsee: KDE3, probably not. | 11:28 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 11:28 |
| sebas | It's supposed to become less though. | 11:28 |
| sebas | But it will be supported for some time to come. | 11:28 |
| sebas | Yielding the interesting question if that's long enough for Gutsy+1 as LTS, or if that should be KDE4-based | 11:29 |
| sebas | That also depends on when 4.0 and 4.1 will be out. | 11:29 |
| === Hobbsee --> dinner | ||
| Hobbsee | sebas: er, yeah, kde3 | 11:30 |
| Riddell | sebas: what do you mean by supported? | 11:30 |
| glatzor | hi sebas. has anybody yet worked on separating the displayconfig backend from guidance? | 11:31 |
| sebas | Riddell: Upstream fixes bugs | 11:32 |
| sebas | glatzor: Nope, a bit busy atm | 11:32 |
| sebas | And I'm not a packaging dude anyway | 11:33 |
| Riddell | glatzor: not imminently, it'll happen as part of merges hopefully but just now there's three kde releases being packaged | 11:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll probably be there tomorrow to help on packaging 3.5.7 if needed | 11:45 |
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| Hobbsee | (darn connection) | 12:13 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: whihc bit of kde are you doing now? | 12:46 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I'm not, I'm still waking up :) | 12:47 |
| Hobbsee | right | 12:49 |
| === Hobbsee hands you some irn bru :P | ||
| Riddell | whee! | 12:49 |
| Hobbsee | hehe! | 12:50 |
| === Hobbsee notes you didnt get tipsy at UDS that she saw :( | ||
| Riddell | Tonio_: about? | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ? | 12:59 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i want to attack kdepim, and kdenetwork. the rest i dont mind about, per se | 12:59 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: do you want to be assigned any specs? e.g. kubuntu-accessibility-keyboard, kubuntu-dolphin-by-default? | 12:59 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: for kdepim you may want to fix the debian/rules include for simple-patchsys, it's a local include but should be the normal cdbs one | 01:00 |
| Hobbsee | right, thanks for the headsup | 01:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum yes please, I'll work on those 2 ones | 01:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and probably the kdebluetooth one too :) | 01:01 |
| Riddell | I can't find the bluetooth one now | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll take those in charge, and btw as soon as you have 3.5.7 packages out, I'll also start to backport the fixes w have done for the french parliament | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hu ? let me check | 01:02 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-bluetooth | 01:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can't wait to be back in the effort..... one month without even an upload...... I'm angry :) | 01:04 |
| Hobbsee | poor Tonio_ | 01:05 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 01:05 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i'm wokrign on them - but i am at uni too... | 01:05 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: the good point is that I already have a bunch of uploads to perform, but I need deps to come in the repos first (kaffeine.......) | 01:06 |
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| marseillai_ | someone could explain me what can be the reason why i don't have any backtrace : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21968/ ??? | 01:15 |
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| Riddell | marseillai_: the crash is caused by the library missing a function, not by something that needs a backtrace | 01:18 |
| marseillai_ | oki | 01:25 |
| marseillai_ | thanks Riddell | 01:25 |
| marseillai_ | it's because i've done something bad in my package? | 01:25 |
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| Riddell | marseillai_: something has done something bad yes | 01:34 |
| sebas | Do the 3.5.7 feisty packages have known regressions? | 01:35 |
| Riddell | it's using a library version that it wasn't compiled with | 01:35 |
| Riddell | sebas: not so far | 01:35 |
| sebas | Ok thanks :) | 01:35 |
| === sebas upgrades then | ||
| Riddell | xinerama probably broken | 01:35 |
| sebas | I will be able to tell you in a minute. | 01:35 |
| sebas | Well, some minutes. | 01:36 |
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| === Hobbsee is just being slow | ||
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| buz | can i trigger the same HAL code path that guidance power manager uses for suspend from the cli? | 01:40 |
| Lure | buz: power-manager has dcop interface | 01:41 |
| Lure | buz: or use dbus | 01:41 |
| Lure | buz: it is couple of lines of python code | 01:42 |
| buz | for dcop i need kde running (i' trying to debug a suspend issue from text mode) | 01:42 |
| buz | ok i'll see about that | 01:42 |
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| Lure | buz: for command line you can do "sudo pmi action suspend" (or hibernate) | 01:42 |
| buz | ah that was what i was looking for | 01:42 |
| buz | thanks! | 01:42 |
| mars | Riddell: it's because i've done something bad in my package or it's an upstream bug? upstream dev say it comes from my package but i don't think i've done anything bad | 01:42 |
| Riddell | mars: only reason I can think of is that you're mixing files from different compiled (e.g. your compile and a package from the archive) | 01:43 |
| mars | oki i'll continue this later this evening | 01:44 |
| mars | and don't give up | 01:44 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do you know if all the kubuntu-specific patches in kdepim have been named kubuntu_*? | 01:45 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes | 01:46 |
| Riddell | they have | 01:46 |
| Hobbsee | excellent | 01:46 |
| Hobbsee | yay, power | 01:48 |
| === Hobbsee notes that she's diff'd this backwards, which wont be helping. | ||
| buz | does kde3.5.7 have a fix for those annoying crashes in kmail when you select a new mail? | 01:49 |
| Hobbsee | buz: should do, yes. | 01:49 |
| buz | finally ;) | 01:50 |
| buz | that nearly drove me to thunderbird a while back | 01:50 |
| Hobbsee | as in, assuming usptream has actually fixed it like they say htey have | 01:50 |
| buz | well they claimed to have fixed in their dev branch but i couldnt figure out if that got incorporated into 3.5.7 | 01:50 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do we still want to use -make-orig-source: .... in the rules file? | 01:50 |
| === Hobbsee can pastebin, for more info | ||
| Hobbsee | and simple-patchsys is already not a local one | 01:52 |
| Hobbsee | were you thinking of debian-qt-mk? | 01:52 |
| Hobbsee | include debian/cdbs/debian-qt-kde.mk | 01:52 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I must have been thinking of the feisty packages | 01:53 |
| === Hobbsee is slightly confused as to what that's there for, as it's not in kubuntu-debian-changes | ||
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I don't use make-orig-source | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | right | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: http://rafb.net/p/KLYONC76.html is something debian had and dropped, then? | 01:54 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: guess so, I removed those files upstream so there shouldn't be a need to do it as packagers | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 01:54 |
| === Hobbsee testbuilds, then | ||
| Hobbsee | oh, bugger it. i wanted to fix your bodgy networkstatus | 01:55 |
| seele | why is there a flurry of posts about women in OSS? did something happen? | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | seele: when? | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | and where? | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | oh, ubuntu planet, the equality stuff? | 02:06 |
| seele | melissa, richard, daniel, mark van den borre | 02:06 |
| seele | yeah | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | interesting | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | i think some of them discussed it at UDS | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | jono was interested in it | 02:07 |
| seele | and i never hear anyone asking "Where are all the Black people in OSS" | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as there are very few women around in ubuntu | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | this is true - but tha twould be more discrimatory | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | well, obvious discrimination, more so | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | maybe | 02:07 |
| seele | why? because i'm pointing out that a group is underrepresented in my world in the universe of OSS? | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not sure | 02:08 |
| seele | thats what people are doing with women | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | this is true | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | LP users has had a recent thread about code of conduct for LP, and having to use full names | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | i'd suspect that there's more of a culture to say "dont jump on the black people" in lots of places | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | whereas women are the context of a lot of men's jokes | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | but i'm really not sure, and i think i'm ranting | 02:09 |
| seele | yeah, i dunno | 02:09 |
| seele | i didnt realise the topic of black people was sensitive outside the US | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | it's not, inside the US? | 02:10 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt know | ||
| seele | no, it is inside the uS | 02:10 |
| seele | we did a great job of fucking over black people and native americans in the 300 years | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | say if i were to have a go at aboriginies in my country...it wouldnt go down so well - i'd get labelled racist very quickly | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 02:11 |
| seele | why? wouldnt that make people sexist for pointing out women's issues? | 02:11 |
| seele | i just dont understand why every time the code of conduct or other social issue comes up, women in floss has to be discussed | 02:12 |
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| seele | sorry, didnt meant to take it out on you | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | it seems to me that there's a great push to try to establish something that they'll never see - and that htey'll never really undersatnd, as they havent been thru | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | no problem | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | i suspect that they're only looking at one subset at a time, though. like women first, then black people, or whatever | 02:14 |
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| === ScottK has never understood how one gets people to stop dividing people into groups by dividing people into groups ... | ||
| Hobbsee | ScottK: heh. that's one of the reasons i'm not in ubuntu-women | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | seele: i guess one thing is, with the women groups, that a lot of the women wont put up with the same shit that you or i will, just because we're more used to it. so it probably has a place. | 02:16 |
| seele | i guess | 02:16 |
| seele | but some women cant separate a comment that was made to them because they were a bitch rather because they have a vagina | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | this is true | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | which means they need educatoin too | 02:17 |
| seele | yeah | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | or an appointment with the cluebat, either way. | 02:17 |
| seele | i'm all for the education of sexist attitude, its just my opinion that is not whats going on here | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | what do you think is going on? | 02:18 |
| seele | i dont know | 02:18 |
| seele | some people like to complain, some people dont like being underrepresented, some people like fighting for a cause | 02:18 |
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| seele | soem people have the bad luck of working with assholes | 02:19 |
| seele | but it should remain on social issues, not the fact that women get picked on | 02:19 |
| seele | because i dont think that happens as much as it seems to be talked about | 02:19 |
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| Hobbsee | cant say i've been overly picked on, apart from UDS, in a good...maybe 3 months? | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | wait, does bluefoxicy count? | 02:21 |
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| Riddell | you were picked on at UDS? | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | some. not much | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | not by you people | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | where you == kubuntu type | 02:23 |
| seele | no kde love | 02:23 |
| Hobbsee | seele: apologies. kubuntu-type == kubuntu+kde | 02:24 |
| seele | hehe | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | seemed so few, so i grouped them together | 02:25 |
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| marseillai | grrrr my poor c++ skills tell me it should work : ftp://marseillai.homelinux.org/kopete/kdenetwork-3.5.7/debian/patches/kubuntu_08_emoticons_editor.diff but it doesn't. | 02:49 |
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| ScottK | my non-existant c++ skills tell me I'm not the one to help you figure it out ;-) | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: have an http link ? | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: I'd like to have a look but it looks like I can't connect to your ftp... | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: the link isn't good in fact | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | 404 for me | 02:56 |
| marseillai | arf ah oui | 02:57 |
| marseillai | wait | 02:57 |
| marseillai | Tonio_, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21975/ | 02:57 |
| marseillai | Tonio_, it crashes when i use edittheme function telling me this error : symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kopete_appearanceconfig.so: undefined symbol: _ZN19EmoticonsEditDialogC1EP7QWidget7QStringPKc | 02:59 |
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| === hunger is waiting for the new kde to appear in gutsy. | ||
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| hunger | marseillai: Try pasting the _ZN... stuff into c++filt. That should at least give you the demangeled name. | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: there are a few debs | 03:15 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: Not yet in gutsy. Don't want to add more repositories than absolutely necessary. | 03:16 |
| === Hobbsee isnt repo-literate, so there are only debs | ||
| Hobbsee | i believe Riddell is going to start uploading them | 03:16 |
| hunger | Wow, great! | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: it'd be nice to upload arts+kdelibs for a start | 03:16 |
| === hunger hops. | ||
| Hobbsee | makingthe rest easier to build with pbuilder | 03:16 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: will do after lunch | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | : | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 03:17 |
| marseillai | hunger, i don't understand what you've said | 03:17 |
| hunger | Riddell: Thanks! | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: fiou....... that patch is wau too complicated for my poor c++ knowledge :) | 03:17 |
| hunger | marseillai: try "c++filt _ZN19EmoticonsEditDialogC1EP7QWidget7QStringPKc" in a terminal. | 03:18 |
| marseillai | oki | 03:18 |
| marseillai | i'm currently at work | 03:18 |
| hunger | marseillai: That should give you proper classnames, etc. on the missing symbol. | 03:18 |
| marseillai | but i'll try | 03:18 |
| marseillai | oki | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kcontrol is broken again in gutsy.... same problem we previously had during feisty..... I'll have a look at that | 03:18 |
| hunger | marseillai: It is EmoticonsEditDialog::EmoticonsEditDialog(QWidget*, QString, char const*) for what its worse. | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like the obex kcontrol entry is back and afaicr that was causing the issue.... | 03:19 |
| marseillai | thanks hunger | 03:19 |
| hunger | marseillai: The compiler pushes all those C++ names through a wringer and turns them into this undecipherable garbadge. | 03:19 |
| hunger | marseillai: c++filt reverses the process:-) | 03:19 |
| marseillai | so the message means that this function is missing in /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kopete_appearanceconfig.so ???? | 03:19 |
| hunger | Yes. | 03:19 |
| hunger | Is it in one of the source files? Is that compiled and linked into the .so-file? | 03:20 |
| hunger | Usually this kind of thing happens when you screw up the build system:-) | 03:20 |
| marseillai | really? i don't know | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: kdepim done | 03:21 |
| marseillai | i've apply a patch find on kde-apps and build it hunger | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | bah. or not | 03:21 |
| marseillai | but your information gives some way to looks for problem | 03:21 |
| marseillai | :) | 03:21 |
| marseillai | thanks | 03:21 |
| hunger | marseillai: You are welcome. | 03:21 |
| marseillai | hunger, may be if you look at the patch you could see something : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21975/ (if you have time) | 03:23 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: you rock | 03:23 |
| hunger | marseillai: I don't. But I'll sneak a peek anyway;-) | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: failed at the end. grr. | 03:24 |
| hunger | marseillai: There is no such method:-( | 03:25 |
| === hunger wonders why it thinks there should be. | ||
| marseillai | yes | 03:25 |
| marseillai | i've just saw that | 03:25 |
| hunger | Oh, sorry, just missed it. It is there. | 03:25 |
| marseillai | there is only +EmoticonsEditDialog::EmoticonsEditDialog(QWidget *parent, QString theme, const char* name) wich i not exactly the same | 03:26 |
| hunger | marseillai: line 274. | 03:26 |
| marseillai | it's not exactly the same you told me | 03:26 |
| marseillai | it's const char* instead of char const* | 03:26 |
| hunger | marseillai: It is close enough I thing. | 03:26 |
| hunger | marseillai: That patch seems to introduce a new file (kdenetwork-3.5.7/kopete/kopete/config/appearance/emoticonseditdialog.cpp). | 03:27 |
| hunger | I do not see where that is made known to the buildsystem. | 03:27 |
| marseillai | yes | 03:27 |
| marseillai | line 589 hunger | 03:28 |
| hunger | marseillai: Hmmm... right:-( | 03:28 |
| hunger | What did you do after applying the patch? reconfigure? | 03:28 |
| marseillai | no | 03:29 |
| marseillai | debuild and build in pbuilder | 03:29 |
| hunger | I think you might even need to rerun automake to generate the proper makefiles. | 03:29 |
| marseillai | before building ? | 03:31 |
| marseillai | but the patch only apply after the build | 03:31 |
| marseillai | but the patch only apply after the build start | 03:32 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: any plans for adding kdevelop 3.4.1 to the kde 3.5.7 repo? | 03:34 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: I don't plan to, it wasn't trvial to do so I left it out | 03:36 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: okay, dont bother about it then :) | 03:36 |
| === Hobbsee rebuilds kdepim. gah | ||
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: not really important | 03:36 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: the packages work fine btw | 03:36 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: what's up? | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: FTBFS - a file doesnt exist anymore. | 03:38 |
| Riddell | debuild -nc is your friend | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | but this should be it, i hope | 03:38 |
| allee | Tonio_: I've right now configured my mighty bt mouse without command line help. With kdebluetooth-dbus-integration it will work out of the box (no hidd necessary) | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | what's that do? | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | the -nc bit? no clean? | 03:38 |
| Riddell | rebuilds without cleaning first | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | neat | 03:39 |
| === Hobbsee notes that photo is seriously evil... | ||
| === allee admires Hobbsee. Without -nc I would have never dared to build kdelibs kdebase .. | ||
| Hobbsee | haha | 03:40 |
| === Hobbsee hasnt done kdebase | ||
| Hobbsee | and i dont think that admiring for idiocy is terribly good, anyway | 03:41 |
| marseillai | Riddell, my patch for kopete changes makefile.am and it seems this change are not take into account during the build! is there a way to change that? | 03:41 |
| Riddell | marseillai: make -f debian/rules buildprep | 03:41 |
| Riddell | which applies the patch and runs autothings | 03:41 |
| marseillai | thanks a lot! :) | 03:42 |
| marseillai | so like that the patck _should_ work | 03:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: someone is asking on bug 103401, regarding the unfixed reboot/restart button | 03:42 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 103401 in kdebase "Reboot-Restart Button with classic LogOut Dialog (doUbuntuLogout=0) doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103401 | 03:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: the packages for kde 3.5.7 is just the same as 3.5.6 patch-wise, right? | 03:43 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: they are yes | 03:43 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: well, I'll just write that in the bug | 03:43 |
| marseillai | Riddell, last question : is there a way with pbuilder ton build ONLY kopete and not all kdenetwork wich take for me more than an hour and a half ? | 03:43 |
| Riddell | marseillai: nope, you'd have to compile by hand for that | 03:44 |
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| marseillai | oki Riddell thanks anyway | 03:45 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: interesting | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | allee: where is the package ? | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | allee: build from svn ? | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | allee: let's stay connected on that point as I'll start working on that spec soon :) | 03:49 |
| _StefanS_ | hey Tonio_ | 03:52 |
| rbrunhuber | _StefanS_: Hi _StefanS_ | 03:52 |
| _StefanS_ | rbrunhuber: so youre checking time, eh :) | 03:52 |
| Tonio_ | yo _StefanS_ rbrunhuber | 03:52 |
| rbrunhuber | _StefanS_ : I tried to find out if you are ilde. but did not succeed. | 03:52 |
| _StefanS_ | rbrunhuber: I was born idle. | 03:53 |
| rbrunhuber | _StefanS_ : Ok back to other topics. My networkmanager is not running anymore. So no bug for .x509 and no mockups. | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I am on the svn, looks pretty active at the moment | 03:54 |
| _StefanS_ | rbrunhuber: well thats bad :) - why dont you just reinstall the packages? | 03:55 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I'd like to know when is that supposed to be released | 03:55 |
| Tonio_ | allee: but that sounds promissing :) let's try to get that done with gutsy..... I'll update the wikipage concerning this | 03:55 |
| Riddell | sebas: you're being marked as the assignee of kubuntu-gutsy-guidance since you were at UDS (although it'll presumably be the usual mix of you, me, lure, sime, whoever else) | 03:56 |
| rbrunhuber | _StefanS_ : I upgraded to gutsy already (I don't use the machine productive). There are unmet dependencies. | 03:56 |
| sebas | Riddell: That means? | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: fix is on it's way | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: downgrade to feisty version of networkstatus | 03:56 |
| Riddell | sebas: it means you get launchpad karma :) | 03:56 |
| _StefanS_ | rbrunhuber: ok nevermind that, I have almost done the LEAP thingy btw | 03:56 |
| sebas | Hehe. | 03:56 |
| Lure | sebas: you should implement it and we will look at you ;-) | 03:56 |
| sebas | I'll happily wait for launchpad karma then. | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: unmet deps are normal, etc | 03:56 |
| _StefanS_ | rbrunhuber: could you write me what commands you use to split up the certificate manually? | 03:57 |
| sebas | I'll implement parts and merge patches of others. | 03:57 |
| sebas | Someone came up and started on powermanager port to Qt4 btw | 03:57 |
| rbrunhuber | _StefanS_ : Can i send them later to you. Not on a linux machine now. | 03:58 |
| Riddell | sebas: really? who's that? | 03:58 |
| _StefanS_ | rbrunhuber: thats fine | 03:58 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: So when are you going to teach me how to use rosetta? | 03:58 |
| sebas | A student from Edinburgh | 03:58 |
| sebas | David Edmundson | 03:58 |
| Riddell | mikearthur? | 03:58 |
| Riddell | oh, another one | 03:58 |
| Lure | sebas: do we have the right pyqt4 in feisty - only latest support dbus event loop, afair | 03:58 |
| Riddell | cool | 03:58 |
| sebas | I told you that blogging works ;-) | 03:58 |
| sebas | Lure: Dunno | 03:58 |
| sebas | He first starts to straightforward port, and then hopefully make it event-based rather than polling | 03:59 |
| Lure | sebas: I tried event loop stuff (have proto code), but I had to use snapshot version of pyqt | 03:59 |
| Lure | sebas: when port is done, I can finish event loop stuff | 03:59 |
| Riddell | Lure: isn't the code for that in dbus python bindings rather than pyqt? | 03:59 |
| Lure | sebas: will port be done on branch? | 03:59 |
| sebas | Lure: Not sure, he'll send patches as soon as something works | 04:00 |
| Lure | Riddell: no, python-dbus only ship glib loop, while pyqt adds another qt event loop support | 04:00 |
| sebas | I've already merged an unrelated patch by him yesterday (extending the dbus interface) | 04:00 |
| rbrunhuber | _StefanS_ : I'm such a dumbshot. I have a second machine at home which still uses feisty. So i can use that for mockups and things. Did not think on this, because it only uses wired networking so no need for knetworkmanager. | 04:01 |
| Lure | sebas: good - I plan to rework battery stuff a bit (so that we have support for ups and mouse battery too) | 04:01 |
| Lure | sebas: just need to find some time ;-) | 04:01 |
| _StefanS_ | rbrunhuber: ok sounds good :) - please send those split commands for x509 also (mailto: sfs@enhance-it.dk) | 04:02 |
| sebas | I'm still not sure what mouse battery has to do there, and how that should be presented to the user. | 04:02 |
| rbrunhuber | Hobbsee, Riddell: The kde 3.5.7 packages for feisty are great. Installed them yesterday. Upgrade was very smooth. | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: gutsy or feisty? | 04:05 |
| rbrunhuber | Hobbsee : Feisty. | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 04:05 |
| === Hobbsee cant take any credit for that, then | ||
| rbrunhuber | Hobbsee : Did the gutsy packages already hit the repos? | 04:06 |
| Lure | sebas: it would be just another bar under battery with type as label (type: Primary, Mouse, UPS...) | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: no. see earlier. | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | they're only partly built | 04:07 |
| sebas | Lure: Is that kind of stuff in HAL? | 04:07 |
| Lure | sebas: the only additional aspect could be pasive notification on low battery (but I do not plan to do this unless I have some tester with HW) | 04:07 |
| Lure | sebas: yes, there is bug opened with UPS details | 04:07 |
| Lure | sebas: currently we filter out battery by type != "primary" | 04:08 |
| rbrunhuber | Lure: What about energy level of the user :-)? | 04:08 |
| Lure | rbrunhuber: that will be after kde4 port ;-) | 04:08 |
| Lure | rbrunhuber: we need plasma for that ;-) | 04:08 |
| rbrunhuber | Lure : Or even better oxygen :-) | 04:09 |
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| Riddell | rbrunhuber: great, thanks for testing | 04:29 |
| Riddell | Lure: ah, I see. there was someone who packaged the new pyqt but I've entirely forgotten who it was now | 04:29 |
| Riddell | someone on #kde-devel | 04:29 |
| rbrunhuber | Riddell : Thanks for packaging :-) | 04:30 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: I will upload them now | 04:37 |
| Lure | Riddell: it seems we just need sync: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-qt4 | 04:38 |
| Riddell | Lure: nice | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | cp: cannot stat `/home/hobbsee/kdepim/kdepim-3.5.7/debian/tmp////usr/bin/kitchensync': No such file or directory | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | wtf? | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | !language | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 04:40 |
| ubotu | Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | they havent suddenly moved the binary or something, have htey? | 04:41 |
| === Hobbsee ignores Tonio_, and sleeps on his shoulder instead. | ||
| Lure | Hobbsee: 3.5.7 is supposed to have new kitchensync - using opensync framework | 04:41 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: maybe you need to add some build rules for it | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: so i'm seeing... | 04:41 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: just kiddin' of course | 04:42 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: http://www.in.fh-merseburg.de/~jahn/opensync-0.21/ might be of help - they have older version of it as separate package | 04:42 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: see kitchensync-opensync on that page | 04:43 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: disclaimer: I just think this is the same ;-) | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm.. debian still has that file in place | 04:43 |
| === Hobbsee gives up for a while | ||
| Hobbsee | it's almost done | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | it's on <lp id>@aurora.ubuntuwire.com in /home/hobbsee/kdepim if anyone wants to look at it | 04:45 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: So when are you gonna give me that crash course in translations? | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: i think i'll just remove all of kitchensync :P | 04:49 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: please don't - I really hope we can have proper sync with phones in gutsy | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: it appeared to build for debian, which is the weird thing | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | s/build/built/ | 04:50 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: but you can do it temporarily | 04:50 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: maybe debian has newer opensync? | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | not much point | 04:50 |
| === Hobbsee will hope Riddell or someone has a look at it | ||
| Hobbsee | nope | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | doesnt seem so | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: as soon as get my normal life back :) | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: possibly next week | 04:51 |
| manchicken | I know that feeling. | 04:51 |
| manchicken | We had to *RUSH* to the doctor's yesterday in panic mode. I really hope that doesn't happen too much more. I don't think I can handle that much fear. | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: ouch....... | 04:53 |
| manchicken | Tell me about it. | 04:53 |
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| fdoving | Tonio_: sure, what bug do you have in mind? | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: here is how to reproduce | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: insert 2 usb keys | 05:04 |
| fdoving | ah, that one. | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | right click the desktop icons -> you can eject | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | eject one of the keys : you can't eject anymore :) | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: known bug according to you ? | 05:05 |
| fdoving | yeah, i know it. | 05:05 |
| fdoving | i'll have a look later today. | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: thanks :) | 05:06 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: did you see the mail i sent you, about k-d-s and konqueror view-modes? | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: not yet, when did you send it ? | 05:06 |
| fdoving | friday, 21:20 | 05:07 |
| fdoving | Subject: Fwd: [Bug 69168] Re: konqueror file manager loses chosen view setting | 05:07 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 69168 in kubuntu-default-settings "konqueror file manager loses chosen view setting" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69168 | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: nothing in my mailbox | 05:07 |
| fdoving | oh. | 05:07 |
| fdoving | i'll re-send. | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: just have your audiocd eject patch, that I'll upload if riddell doesn't put it in the 3.5.7 packages | 05:08 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: great thanks | 05:08 |
| fdoving | sent. | 05:09 |
| fdoving | bbl, dinner. i'll look at that remove-thing later. | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: I agree concerning your fix | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: we should enable this | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: is that an hidden setting ? | 05:11 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: can't find it in the konqueror config menus | 05:11 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: what needs to go into 3.5.7? | 05:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: a fix for the media patches, to eject an audio cd | 05:35 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: hidden by the kubuntu supplied .rc change. | 05:36 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: yep I saw that | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: do you have the fix ? | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: fdoving should have send it to you | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: btw, if you don't have time, I'll just add the fix with a further upload | 05:37 |
| fdoving | did i send anything to anyone? | 05:38 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: don't think i sent it to riddell, maybe stefans did. | 05:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can send it to you if you want | 05:39 |
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| Riddell | is it to kdelibs? | 05:40 |
| fdoving | kdebase iirc. | 05:40 |
| fdoving | kdesktop/kdiconview.cc i think. | 05:41 |
| Riddell | ah, I'm not on kdebase yet | 05:41 |
| Riddell | but e-mail it to me and I'll incude it | 05:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the mail is gone :) | 05:42 |
| fdoving | it should probably be fixed in the media patch that makes the problem. | 05:42 |
| Tonio_ | s/gone/sent | 05:42 |
| fdoving | but i haven't found the time to do that yet. | 05:42 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: that's what I'm saying in the mail, that your patch is a "patch for the patch" | 05:42 |
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| fdoving | Riddell: about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-remove-media - that's more or less finished. | 05:44 |
| Riddell | fdoving: groovy | 05:44 |
| Riddell | you may win the prize for first gutsy spec to completion :) | 05:45 |
| fdoving | Riddell: tonio did some testing and reports success. | 05:45 |
| fdoving | Riddell: tiny spec :) | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we're using this in the french parliament | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: 1000 computers, no issues reported :) | 05:46 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: nice. :) | 05:46 |
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| Tonio_ | fdoving: btw, why an external application ? | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | isn't that simpler to just patch kdebase/kdelibs ? | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: because getting this on the cd means, go through revu, get it approved, write a main inclusion report etc ........ | 05:47 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: why nor just patching the existing binary that just doesn't work as proposed, even if that means replace the all code ? | 05:47 |
| Tonio_ | s/nor/not | 05:47 |
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| fdoving | Tonio_: well, i could make a patch to add the app to the kdebase source. | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: that would be way easier for us to implement it | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: then I'll just have to patch, test and upload and that it :) | 05:49 |
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| fdoving | more work for me. | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | hum, indeed...... | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | well you decide, I'll manage to do the bureaucracy thing ;) | 05:49 |
| fdoving | well.. i'd rather keep it separate. getting it into main can't be that much work. | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: not that much | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: as I said you decide :) | 05:50 |
| fdoving | making it part of kdebase is more work, that's my guess. | 05:50 |
| fdoving | then it'll be a separate package. | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | well do you still have to work on the code ? | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | if not we should upload it to revu now | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | I may do it as I cleaned up your packaging a bit :) | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | missign builddeps etc... | 05:51 |
| fdoving | code is finished if it works for your 1000 computers. | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: perfect | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: I'll upload to revu on friday and try to get it approved the same day | 05:51 |
| fdoving | there is a new version at http://frode.kde.no/misc/kio_umountwrapper/ with automake deps. | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | that's on my todo list | 05:51 |
| fdoving | great. | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: great | 05:52 |
| fdoving | and i'd like patches to the packaging, or links to source etc. when you're finished polishing packaging. | 05:52 |
| fdoving | then if i ever make changes, the new packages will appear at http://frode.kde.no/misc/kio_umountwrapper/ | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | sure | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: well I think it was just a matter of missing builddep | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: those changes were just for the local deployement, I wouldn't have upload to revu without emailing you the changes :) | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: btw we have to wait for kde 3.5.7 to reach the repos as we need the fixed kde code.... | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: I won't patch kde 3.5.6 now :) | 05:54 |
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| lucky_lucas | Hi, I have to report two problems with kde 3.5.7 packages | 06:00 |
| Riddell | lucky_lucas: what's up? | 06:01 |
| lucky_lucas | Hi Riddell let me explain | 06:01 |
| lucky_lucas | So first of all I did the update from CLI | 06:01 |
| lucky_lucas | I didn't add the key but it doesn't make a difference, does it ? | 06:02 |
| lucky_lucas | Know I wanted to install kdeveolp 3.4.1 and realize that only the 3.4.0 is available | 06:02 |
| lucky_lucas | I wanted to add the key with adept and the nice kubuntu way of managing repos is replace with the standrad adept one, which cannot handle key | 06:03 |
| lucky_lucas | replaced sorry | 06:03 |
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| Riddell | kdevelop isn't in the archive I'm afraid | 06:05 |
| Riddell | do you have software-properties-kde installed? | 06:05 |
| lucky_lucas | I just check | 06:05 |
| lucky_lucas | no it wasn't installed i do it now | 06:06 |
| lucky_lucas | that's it | 06:06 |
| lucky_lucas | And now i got the nice kubuntu interface to manage the repos | 06:08 |
| lucky_lucas | thank you | 06:08 |
| lucky_lucas | It's maybe related with the fact that I installed ubuntu and after I did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 06:08 |
| lucky_lucas | ? | 06:08 |
| Riddell | that should still install software-properties-kde | 06:09 |
| Riddell | did you upgrade from edgy? | 06:09 |
| lucky_lucas | no a fresh install form ubuntu live cd | 06:10 |
| lucky_lucas | from sorry | 06:10 |
| Riddell | curious | 06:10 |
| Riddell | have you installed kde 4? | 06:10 |
| lucky_lucas | but I installed kde4 packages once | 06:10 |
| nixternal | Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/7.04/kde4-3.90.1 | 06:11 |
| nixternal | debs and src | 06:11 |
| Riddell | that'll be it, the qt from kde 4 removes qt 4 apps like software-properties-kde | 06:11 |
| nixternal | I will continue working on the other packages...as they will need to be created from scratch | 06:11 |
| Riddell | nixternal: groovy | 06:11 |
| nixternal | which from the looks of it, I can copy debian/ from other packages, make some changes, and build | 06:11 |
| Riddell | nixternal: you could also try going i386 | 06:11 |
| nixternal | heh, sure | 06:11 |
| fdoving | tonio, there is no depend on it anywhere, you don't need any changes to kdebase as it won't autoinstall anywhere. should be fine to just upload. | 06:12 |
| Riddell | nixternal: there are sources for other kde 4 packages in feisty | 06:12 |
| lucky_lucas | Riddell: thank you I didn't notice the change with kde4 packages because I rarely use adept | 06:12 |
| lucky_lucas | And only use because of the tutoriel on kubuntu.org to install your key | 06:13 |
| Riddell | nothing stopping you doing it the command line either of course | 06:14 |
| lucky_lucas | Sure but I didn't remember the apt-key add sequence, so I follow the guide | 06:15 |
| lucky_lucas | Anyway, my two problems are fixed because the 3.4.1 isn't in the repos.. | 06:17 |
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| \sh | Riddell: why don't we enable the exchange plugin for kdepim? | 06:20 |
| Riddell | \sh: I don't know | 06:20 |
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| \sh | Riddell: I just saw it somewhere...hmm...lemme look | 06:22 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 06:27 |
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| marseillai_ | Riddell: perhaps we should add this correction to konqueror for feisty on kde 3.5.7 no ? | 06:29 |
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| Riddell | marseillai_: which? | 06:30 |
| marseillai_ | arf sorry forgot link | 06:30 |
| fdoving | did the gmail one make it into 3.5.7 ? | 06:30 |
| marseillai_ | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2807 | 06:30 |
| marseillai_ | fdoving: no | 06:30 |
| marseillai_ | it was what i talk about | 06:30 |
| fdoving | marseillai_: ah, ok. i | 06:30 |
| fdoving | i | 06:30 |
| fdoving | grr.. | 06:30 |
| Riddell | fdoving: yes | 06:30 |
| fdoving | Riddell: ok. good. | 06:31 |
| marseillai_ | Riddell: it seems no | 06:31 |
| fdoving | Riddell: kde.org tagged 3.5.7 too, or did you patch it into the kubuntu package? | 06:31 |
| marseillai_ | narishma on kubuntu-fr still have the bug | 06:31 |
| Riddell | I checked half an hour ago, the code in that blog is in the current 3.5.7 tar | 06:31 |
| fdoving | good. :) | 06:31 |
| Riddell | possibly not the feisty ones though, KDE updated the tar throughout the week | 06:32 |
| marseillai_ | ah oki | 06:32 |
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| marseillai_ | Riddell: indeed for feisty i've just check here : http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-357/pool/kdelibs/kdelibs_3.5.7.orig.tar.gz and the patch is not here for gmail | 06:40 |
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| Riddell | marseillai_: fooey | 06:42 |
| marseillai_ | Riddell: if i make a debdiff for that you are interest for feisty ? | 06:43 |
| Riddell | marseillai_: the main task is finding the time to compile it | 06:44 |
| marseillai_ | i understand | 06:44 |
| marseillai_ | but now i allready one debdiff pour kde 3.5.7 : one for kopete and maybe another for konqueror and i can build for i386 | 06:45 |
| Riddell | kopete? | 06:45 |
| marseillai_ | yes | 06:46 |
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| marseillai_ | kopete_emoticon_manager | 06:46 |
| Riddell | what's changed in kopete? | 06:46 |
| Riddell | that's a feature, that won't go in kubuntu.org packages | 06:46 |
| marseillai_ | i add a great feature | 06:46 |
| marseillai_ | oki | 06:46 |
| marseillai_ | didn't know | 06:46 |
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| giangy | 'evening guys | 07:41 |
| DaSkreech | Hiya | 07:43 |
| DaSkreech | Should there be a 3.5.7 in the topic in #kubuntu? | 07:43 |
| fdoving | na, should there? | 07:43 |
| fdoving | maybe. | 07:43 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: yes | 07:44 |
| fdoving | like that? | 07:45 |
| DaSkreech | si | 07:46 |
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| hsitter | Riddell: ping | 08:00 |
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| Riddell | hi hsitter | 08:15 |
| hsitter | ahoy captain :) | 08:15 |
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| hsitter | Riddell: what do you think about integrating about including suse's sysinfo kio slave in kubuntu? | 08:15 |
| hsitter | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp035.png | 08:16 |
| fdoving | i was playing with packaging that once. | 08:16 |
| marseillai_ | yes | 08:16 |
| marseillai_ | kopete_emoticons_manager works! :) | 08:16 |
| marseillai_ | thanks for your help Riddell | 08:16 |
| marseillai_ | i was missing sudo make -f debian/rules buildprep | 08:16 |
| hsitter | the problem with sysinfo is that there is no own source package for it, so I'd have to create an own tarball - now question is: shall I put the sources in bzr? | 08:17 |
| fdoving | i extracted the source from the opensuse sourcepackage. | 08:19 |
| fdoving | i'm all for RCSs in any way possible :) | 08:22 |
| Riddell | RCS? | 08:22 |
| Riddell | ah, right | 08:22 |
| Riddell | sure, go ahead | 08:22 |
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| emonkey-f | thx for the 3.5.7 packages | 08:47 |
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| _buz | i'm experiencing weird behavior with kmail filters since upgrading to 3.5.7 | 08:48 |
| _buz | the log says the filters matched and messages got moved, but they stay where they are | 08:48 |
| _buz | manually moving works, so it cant be a fs / server issue | 08:49 |
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| hsitter | Riddell: Kubuntu Team as owner of the branches? | 09:13 |
| nixternal | should be Kubuntu members...team is expired/not used | 09:13 |
| === hsitter is not even member there :P | ||
| hsitter | "substantial contribution" | 09:15 |
| hsitter | now I wonder whether that applies | 09:15 |
| hsitter | nixternal: you think it's necessary to create an upstream branch? | 09:18 |
| nixternal | what are we talking about here? | 09:18 |
| hsitter | the kio-sysinfo thing from suse | 09:19 |
| nixternal | you can always create your own branch as well on LP | 09:19 |
| hsitter | nixternal: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp035.png | 09:19 |
| nixternal | ahh | 09:19 |
| hsitter | well | 09:19 |
| nixternal | yes that is sweet | 09:19 |
| nixternal | is that a SUSE box or did you port it over for Kubuntu already? | 09:20 |
| nixternal | I noticed the 2.6.20-15 kernel | 09:21 |
| hsitter | nixternal: not much of porting, it's using hal :) | 09:21 |
| nixternal | true | 09:21 |
| nixternal | just needs to be doctored by kwwii | 09:21 |
| hsitter | yeah :) | 09:21 |
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| nixternal | hola jjesse | 09:21 |
| jjesse | hiya nixternal | 09:23 |
| fdoving | is there a reason why konqueror identifies as firefox and not safari, when talking to gmail? | 09:29 |
| hsitter | letz pray for a working upload :D | 09:29 |
| fdoving | .. is that default setting something we set in k-d-s? | 09:29 |
| hsitter | fdoving: safari causes misbehaviour on usual google search | 09:29 |
| hsitter | no right click IIRC | 09:29 |
| fdoving | ok. | 09:30 |
| nixternal | fdoving: it is because gmail will not accept konqi | 09:30 |
| fdoving | nixternal: it does work for me with safari identification. | 09:30 |
| nixternal | oh, don't know why it doesn't do with safari | 09:30 |
| nixternal | there is a patch out for konqi to fix the issue | 09:30 |
| fdoving | sure. | 09:31 |
| fdoving | but changing the identification is easier. | 09:31 |
| fdoving | .. or can work as a workaround. | 09:31 |
| fdoving | the patch is very very small. | 09:31 |
| Riddell | hsitter: if you want | 09:31 |
| hsitter | hm | 09:33 |
| hsitter | does bzr disallow branch pushes to groups one's not member of? | 09:33 |
| fdoving | .. identifying as opera works too. | 09:35 |
| fdoving | hsitter: i guess you don't have write access to groups you're not member of. | 09:35 |
| hsitter | hm | 09:35 |
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| hsitter | yeah, no permission | 09:36 |
| fdoving | i'm confused too. i can't figure out what makes the contextmenus on rightlicking removable devices on the dekstop. | 09:36 |
| hsitter | omg | 09:38 |
| hsitter | there's not even a date for the next meeting | 09:38 |
| fdoving | gah.. this media stuff is so broken. | 09:43 |
| fdoving | refreshing the desktop with removable devices plugged in removes the "safely remove" option from the context menus. | 09:43 |
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| hsitter | made a personal branch for now https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kio-sysinfo/ubuntu | 09:54 |
| hsitter | and I need to talk to the committee to find out why I'm not member by default ^_^ | 09:54 |
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| DaSkreech | hsitter: that's HW info? | 10:10 |
| hsitter | DaSkreech: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp035.png | 10:10 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah Just looked at it | 10:10 |
| DaSkreech | That's out sideof Kcontrol? | 10:10 |
| hsitter | yep | 10:11 |
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| toma | DaSkreech: whats wrong with /proc/diskstat ? | 10:16 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah that lets me know what processor and Video card I have :-P | 10:17 |
| toma | DaSkreech: it is hidden in those numbers, trust me | 10:18 |
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| mschiff | heya! is there a problem with kitchensync in 3.5.7? | 10:21 |
| mschiff | (because the package is missing in the repo...) | 10:22 |
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| DaSkreech | toma: Whats Your Network card specs based on that? | 10:33 |
| toma | "-464" but that might be a bug | 10:34 |
| DaSkreech | -464 B/s ? | 10:34 |
| DaSkreech | Better start uploading fast :) | 10:34 |
| toma | ;-) | 10:34 |
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| DaSkreech | But seriously you'd give your mom or child's school teacher instructions to read that to gain more information on the computer? | 10:37 |
| yuriy | what's wrong with kinfocenter? | 10:38 |
| DaSkreech | It's not bad but a little intimidating | 10:39 |
| DaSkreech | lshw -html is easier to read | 10:39 |
| yuriy | kinfocenter used to have nice little bars for showing free hdd space, but they seem to have disappeared | 10:41 |
| DaSkreech | I think you mean memory | 10:48 |
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