=== hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-52f896bf49650726] has joined #ubuntu-devel === roico [n=roico@bzq-88-153-146-178.red.bezeqint.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === zerbero3 [n=jga@p85.212.24.33.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] anyone else getting double mouse-click events with latest gutsy? === otavio [n=otavio@201.40.162.47] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] Is Tollef online? [12:35] otavio: likely asleep - but my Mithrandir [12:35] Hobbsee: Your Mithrandir? [12:35] er, s/my/by/ === Hobbsee cant spell this early in the morning [12:36] Hobbsee: thanks a lot. I'll send him a privmsg ... thank you [12:36] mjg59: hey. :-D [12:36] mjg59: how are you doing? :-) === j_ack [n=jack@p508DBD16.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dawkins [n=julio@200.158.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dawkins [n=julio@200.158.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:51] mjg59: i should really be more careful with what i type, yes.. === mathiaz [n=mathias@76-10-132-23.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@unaffiliated/pkl/x-764568] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathiaz [n=mathias@76-10-132-23.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack_ [n=jack@p508DA14D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=calc@cpe-24-162-49-93.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] doko: hi :) [01:29] hiya calc === otavio [n=otavio@201.40.162.47] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mirv [n=tajyrink@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kaloz [i=kaloz@openwrt/developer/Kaloz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Halcy0n [n=halcy0n@pdpc/supporter/active/Halcy0n] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@71.237.200.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Znarl [n=znarl@jewel.roundabout.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=rcaskey@cai17.music.uga.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rtg [n=rtg@rtg.theglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44_ [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] Hobbsee: hi === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Exit,] === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathiaz [n=mathias@76-10-132-23.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HlTMAN [n=silence@unaffiliated/hltman] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.32] has joined #ubuntu-devel === konsumer [i=konsumer@1Cust104.tnt1.ber2.deu.da.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@71.237.200.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Znarl [n=znarl@jewel.roundabout.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=rcaskey@cai17.music.uga.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rtg [n=rtg@rtg.theglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === konsumer [i=konsumer@1Cust104.tnt1.ber2.deu.da.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mderk [n=ubiq@116.21.116.165] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=jack@p508da612.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcole [i=jcole@nat/hp/x-94769e6247160332] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] is there a hack around the "javascript menus behind flash" bug yet? [03:02] for example, try to use the adobe menus -> http://www.adobe.com/ === jcole [i=jcole@nat/hp/x-94769e6247160332] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jml [n=jml@121.44.219.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@71.237.200.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Znarl [n=znarl@jewel.roundabout.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=rcaskey@cai17.music.uga.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rtg [n=rtg@rtg.theglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=calc@cpe-24-162-49-93.houston.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mathiaz [n=mathias@76-10-132-23.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:45] Mithrandir: Can you give-back espeak on amd64 and powerpc? Thanks. === mathiaz [n=mathias@76-10-132-23.dsl.teksavvy.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pbn_ [i=pbn@i.hate.dd0s.eu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988 [n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anhlalama [n=dungvian@203.210.247.83] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mderk [n=ubiq@116.21.116.165] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johan [n=jdahlin@200-161-81-12.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb09dc1-71-139.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb09dc1-71-139.dynamic.mts.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mderk [n=ubiq@59.41.165.71] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johan is now known as jdahlin-Zzz === holycow [n=hello@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:45] hey guys [05:45] where can i find out information on intel wireless drivers? [05:45] i was under the impression that they were open sourced but i keep on reading that they are binary and closed source [05:46] holycow: they require binary firmware [05:46] in the u.s. i think they haveto be closed source by law but just curious in general about intel particapation in the community [05:46] hey Burgundavia [05:46] intel is busy rewriting their driver right now [05:46] new driver is called iwl, I think [05:47] the goal is to provide open source drivers with a firmware blob perhpas? [05:47] if that can be considered open source [05:47] that is already there [05:47] aha! okay a bit clearer now [05:48] http://kerneltrap.org/node/7704 [05:50] oh! *bookmark* [05:50] thanks for the linkage Burgundavia, thats great === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo_ [n=gicmo@p5491DF84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=jack@p508DA612.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:24] morning [06:25] StevenK: given-back [06:25] slomo: given-back [06:25] Mithrandir: Thanks! === StevenK chuckles at crested. [06:26] Current default timezone: 'Africa/Abidjan' === j_ack [n=jack@p508da612.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-92a75bd711989f4c] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:36] ah, forums users [06:37] has anyone else seen issues upgrading tzdata? it worked just fine for me when I updated the merge [06:41] fine here, too. [06:44] I guess I can start to care iff people file bugs === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === brentc4m [n=brent@76.194.27.127] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thedonvaughn [n=jayson@unaffiliated/printk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mmcgrath_ [n=mmcgrath@74-136-11-144.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [i=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thedonvaughn [n=jayson@unaffiliated/printk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === LongPointyStick pokes Mithrandir [08:10] ouch === Mithrandir orders odin to fetch the LongPointyStick [08:11] Mithrandir: thanks :) btw, the last mono upload will probably make you happy... it will free a few mb on the live cds [08:11] slomo: nice [08:12] slomo: useful, what did you drop? [08:13] ajmitch: nothing, all the .mdb debug files are in another package now [08:13] ok [08:14] LongPointyStick: in general, there's no point in filing bugs about removal of binary packages no longer built; we catch those automatically. [08:14] or, semi-automatically, anyway. [08:15] Mithrandir: he'd have to go a long way... [08:15] and be a god swimmer [08:15] Mithrandir: ah, gotcha [08:15] s/god/good/ [08:16] hmm, ENOTENOUGHFOOD. === Mithrandir goes to fetch more [08:16] fabbione: could you take a look at mono on sparc? might be necessary to disable the sigaltstack stuff on sparc or there might be an easy fix ;) http://librarian.launchpad.net/7732341/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-sparc.mono_1.2.4-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [08:16] no food for you! [08:17] slomo: fix mono [08:18] slomo: i can't believe mono breaks on sparc on each and every single upload [08:19] fabbione: it's simply not supported upstream... they only care about solaris/sparc [08:19] Mithrandir: Does the automatic catch for no longer built binaries include universe now? [08:19] slomo: make them care [08:21] persia: yes, it's always done so. [08:21] slomo: there are at least 3 distros that have sparc stuff... ubuntu, aurora (FC) and gentoo [08:21] slomo: i don't see why they can't consider it as part of their normal work at least not to break it === LongPointyStick goes off to fnid some petrol [08:23] Mithrandir: Always? I don't understand my experience with bug #32460 then. Is it architecture specific? [08:23] Launchpad bug 32460 in supercollider "Please remove stale AMD64 supercollider binaries." [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32460 [08:24] persia: there, a package stopped building for a particular arch. That's different. [08:24] Mithrandir: I understand now. Thanks for the explanation. [08:25] fabbione: let me try something... and maybe i'll talk to them later about linux/sparc but i can already tell you that they will just tell me that it is not supported *shrug* === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-18-95.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] fabbione: /* * Can't use sigaction on sparc/linux, since it doesn't support SA_SIGINFO. Instead, we * have to use the obsolete sigcontext parameter: * http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0110.3/1531.html. */ [08:37] fabbione: that's the reason why it fails [08:37] is this still valid today? [08:39] arch/sparc/kernel/signal.c: if (ka->sa.sa_flags & SA_SIGINFO) [08:39] arch/sparc64/kernel/signal.c: (ka->sa.sa_flags & SA_SIGINFO) ? info : NULL); [08:39] arch/sparc64/kernel/signal32.c: if (ka->sa.sa_flags & SA_SIGINFO) === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:39] same kind of catch all over the other arches, so i assume it is supported [08:39] and that mail is from 2001 [08:39] 6 years ago [08:39] fabbione: ok, i'll try another thing then... === lionel [n=lionel@ip-61.net-82-216-103.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57aed310.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@71.237.200.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bonii [n=gsix@unaffiliated/bonii] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.211.59.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@1-178.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@83-131-65-48.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] hi folks === nags_ [i=nags@nat/novell/x-a0b08164dcd7c8db] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67A89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] Mithrandir: it appears that packages with versions like '-1build1' are not synced anymore (doxygen) === lool [i=lool@debian/developer/lool] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags__ [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] doko: current in gutsy is 1.5.2-2, same as unstable. [09:16] It FTBFS on i386. [09:17] well, that's hardly a sync problem. :-P [09:17] hrm, didn't see any sync email [09:17] Indeed, but it may explain why doko couldn't see it. [09:17] It failed to build due to LaTeX fun. [09:18] why would you see any? It probably got caught by the automatic syncer. === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AED310.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_deltrino [n=jack_del@adsl-68-126-179-184.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] How do I do what dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9 > Packages.gz does with apt-ftparchive? === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] Note to self. A package will probably build if I take the conflict markers *out* of configure. === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] Hehe. === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F74E9F.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] good morning [09:43] dholbach: Morning. [09:43] hey TheMuso [09:43] dholbach: Mind if I take the gnome-speech merge? [09:44] TheMuso: not at all [09:44] thank you [09:44] dholbach: Looks like its going to temporarily break some stuff relying on it however. [09:44] dholbach: Which I'm willing to fix. [09:44] Due to soname change. [09:44] ok, if you need any help, let me know [09:44] dholbach: Thanks. [09:44] oh ok - you take care of adding a new binary package and all that? [09:44] Well that change was made in Debian. [09:45] Now libgnome-speech7 [09:45] So the changes are a lot smaller, mainly only build/dependency differences. === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] ok === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A655E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@66.131-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-21.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180071172.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionel [n=lionel@ip-61.net-82-216-103.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@10.Red-83-59-168.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fatal_ [i=gem@gamezone.fatal.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] Good morning [10:39] Hi pitti. === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcheu [n=marcheu@lattice.u-strasbg.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk tries to work out what lvm-common is actually *for* [10:49] Keybuk: whatever changes you do to udev/lvm/etc.. please keep in mind multipath-tools :P [10:50] hey all [10:50] fabbione: how would that be affected? [10:50] Keybuk: multipath-tools uses some udev rules including dm-* stuff :) [10:51] *nods* [10:51] lvm-common was there when both lvm1 and lvm2 were in place to support clean upgrades. it's probably largely pointless now but it would be gratuitous merge pain in future to remove it [10:51] there might need to be an improvement to your udev rules, but nothing more [10:51] cjwatson: the problem is there are bugs that seem to go away if you remove it [10:52] Keybuk: i am all up for improvements... [10:52] what, like "lvm is present"? [10:52] lvm2 Depends: lvm-common [10:52] cjwatson: lol [10:52] cjwatson: the init script seems to break several setups working with our lvm-from-udev approach [10:53] ah, so that's more "nuke lvm-common's init script" than "remove lvm-common" [10:53] does anybody know what is causing bug 114509? [10:53] Launchpad bug 114509 in udev "linux-image-2.6.22-1-generic + udevd = breakage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114509 [10:53] yeah, but there's nothing else *in* lvm-common, other than a cron script :p [10:53] it provides stuff like lvmiopversion [10:53] I can't find anywhere else that's used other than in its own init script [10:53] iirc it's used in the installer too [10:53] a quick gallup: do we want the split & reorganized xbase-clients/xutils to also Conflict with our current xfoo-packages? That would force removing those on upgrade instead of just replacing [10:53] dholbach: yes, I saw that lots and lots and lots yesterday [10:54] it has nothing to do with udev [10:54] it's a kernel change to the behaviour of devicemapper [10:54] fabbione: it is not [10:54] cjwatson: ok cool === Hobbsee ponders which part of kde to update next. [10:56] Hobbsee: GNOME. [10:57] hmm, no opinions? I'll add the Conflicts, then [10:57] Fujitsu: ewww. no [10:57] hi Hobbsee [10:58] heya pitti! === Hobbsee ponders the wisdom of copying very large files over wifi... [11:04] Hobbsee: curious, why is that a problem? [11:04] pitti: just slow [11:04] pitti: although i think the link to au is where the slowness is [11:05] Hobbsee: ah, ok; heh, I'm used to it, being on WiFi all my time :-/ [11:05] ahh === pitti wonders whether he is the only one for whom jabber is broken since we switched to pidgin [11:10] pitti: yes === mpt_ [n=mpt@canonical/launchpad/mpt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] pitti: works for me on my laptop and desktop and we got no bug about it afaik [11:10] pitti: Works for me. [11:10] hm, thanks [11:10] pitti: what error do you get? [11:11] try pidgin -d on a command line [11:11] seb128: it just doesn't want to connect [11:11] might lack some nss depends or something [11:11] oh, now it's actually connected, but i don't see any users [11:11] I cannot belive that suddenly all jabber contacts have been offline for a week [11:12] what is your jabber ID? [11:12] ah, it just disconnected again [11:12] it usually says 'XML is not well-formed' [11:12] seb128: pitti@jabber.org [11:12] hum [11:13] maybe try the -d run to see if there is anything useful there [11:13] tepsipakki: btw, either of xserver-xorg or xserver-xorg-core depends on xbase-clients, so having it split up (as much as I like it split up) currently has little value until that dependency is removed :S [11:13] Chipzz: yep, known [11:13] xorg needs to be changed as well [11:14] I just did an upgrade and it went well [11:14] seb128: same: jabber: Recv (ssl)(111):

[11:14] account: Disconnecting account 0x746cd0 [11:14] currently still on feisty === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-0c21c058b5a7ca75] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] Chipzz: well, these are not even in gutsy yet ;) [11:15] and the -intel driver is broken in gutsy last I heard, so not upgrading just yet ;) [11:15] broken how? [11:15] not working, but that was last week; may be fixed now [11:15] (the -intel driver in universe btw) [11:16] Chipzz: because the 1.3 xserver, you have to upgrade to -intel 2.0 [11:16] Though yesterday night it wasn't in the archives yet, I downloaded from LP :) [11:16] 2.0.0 was uploaded yesterday.. [11:18] Does our xserver do randr 1.2 nowadays? [11:18] we have xserver 1.3, yes [11:19] seb128: apparently pidgin's data dir is ~/.purple? I'll try moving this away and reconfigure my accounts [11:19] pitti: weird error, open a bug on launchpad, upstream read them (though they reply on some only) [11:19] pitti: yes [11:19] seb128: thanks, will do that after I digged some more [11:20] dug ;) [11:20] jmg_: noted, thanks ;) [11:20] xrandr the tool is old === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AED1EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] but when the split packaging is in experimental we can sync them === Zdra [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] Mithrandir: can you please give-back libtunepimp? (dpatch breakage yesterday) [11:50] Woot. My ShipIt order arrived today. [11:58] pitti: I'm thinking of starting to build the graphical installer (partly for giggles, partly because we've got the hardest of the dependencies available now and so it doesn't cost much, partly because it makes the d-i merge a good deal simpler) [11:58] pitti: but it does need a few extra bits in main [11:58] this is the alternate installer with the graphical frontend, as in Debian. I'm not wild about its UI, but a number of people seem interested in at least trying it [11:58] cjwatson: you mean for lvm/cryptsetup support? [11:58] ah, I see [11:59] cjwatson: the return of the gtk framebuffer stuff? :) [11:59] I tried it a few days ago, and while I don't see a major advantage of it, it certainly looks a bit friendlier [11:59] specifically, it needs rootskel-gtk, ttf-farsiweb, ttf-cjk-compact, ttf-tmuni, and ttf-khmeros source promotions, cdebconf-gtk-udeb binary promotion, and various binary font promotions [12:00] I don't really propose to have it be the default on the alternate CD; I think it's still too clunky === pitti hopes that the ttf-* won't take too much space [12:00] I wasn't even proposing to have them on the alternate CD ;-) [12:00] it can be netboot only for the people who want to try it [12:00] ah, that sounds fine [12:01] but I wanted to see what you thought; I can still disable it again if you (or others) would prefer [12:01] ttf-* sounds harmless, binary promotions as well (I still need to look at bugs etc.), I don't know about rootskel-gtk [12:09] pitti: I can make ttf-* optional, though rootskel-gtk and cdebconf-gtk-udeb would be required to make it work === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] grrr, the apport retraces go out as "Martin Pitt" *again*; I already fixed the cookie twice [12:12] seems Launchpad now keeps the cookie value and just updates the name if I log out as apport and back in as pitti [12:13] pitti: yes, i was going to whine about that [12:13] indeed, it does that *tsk* [12:14] fabbione: ok, i give up... i'll just disable that for now until someone with access to a sparc machine fixes it [12:14] fabbione: http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=81702 if you're interested... [12:14] slomo: you could also try to contact David Miller as mono/packager/upstream [12:14] Ximian bug 81702 in generics "[Linux/sparc] Fails to build with --with-sigaltstack=yes" [Unknown,New] [12:15] slomo: because when you come to me with mono stuff, i just bounce it to him [12:15] and it's really no point for me to proxy all the requests === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-d6b6f23cb46f50ba] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jovans [n=jovan@p54b0469b.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p54967437.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] ist there a security bugfix for the FreeType-Bibliothek on feisty availib. [12:17] fabbione: later [12:19] slomo: You know you have access to a sparc machine, right? [12:25] where can I find out about the reason why a package's source has been removed from Ubuntu (if there's no bug filed for the removal)? [12:25] jovans: what do you mean any details? [12:25] dholbach: there's a log for it, a minute [12:25] dholbach: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/removals.txt [12:26] thanks a lot, pitti! [12:27] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/freetype-devel/2007-04/msg00041.html [12:27] http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org/viewvc/freetype2/src/truetype/ttgload.c?root=freetype&r1=1.177&r2=1.178 [12:28] so i am going bye === jovans [n=jovan@p54b0469b.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [12:32] hello === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] shawarma: no i wasn't aware of that ;) [12:34] keescook: jovan's message above ^, that's CVE-2007-2754; I guess it's on your radar then? [12:34] slomo: ssh slomo@sparky.ubuntuwire.com [12:34] slomo: Have fun! :) [12:35] shawarma: thanks :) [12:35] slomo: np [12:35] slomo: Thank imbrandon, by the way. I'm just the messenger. === shawarma hurries off === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@121.44.219.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ stares at the kdebluetooth merge mess [12:41] I'm doing the same at pycairo. The patch on patches.u.c is just under half a meg. [12:42] mvo_: dont bother. kde 3.5.7? [12:42] mvo_: what else do you expect from something starting with kde? ;) [12:42] Muahaha === Hobbsee beats seb128. they seem OK so far [12:42] heh [12:42] StevenK: yeah, those python-dbg changes are no fun [12:42] Hobbsee: if you kick seb, I won't look for the next two minutes :) [12:42] Bwahaha [12:43] haha [12:43] Hobbsee: kdebluetooth isn't in kde mainline [12:43] Hobbsee: no, just regular debian merge [12:43] ahh === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 stares at pitti [12:43] mvo_: what's up? === mvo_ wonders why he touched that package in the first place [12:43] Riddell: nothing special, its just *huge* and the delta seems to be 99% cruft === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] seb128: Tell me about it. This merge also includes such fun as editing m4 macros for autoconf and re-running autoconf. [12:44] Riddell: you want to have it ;) [12:44] seb128: oh, just for the KDE bashing; nevermind === pitti hugs seb128 [12:45] mvo_: if you leave it then I'll get to it eventually, or another kubuntu type will [12:45] pitti: yeah, I got it, I was just expecting from security to step and protect me from those KDE guys instead of looking somewhere else ;) [12:45] although at the moment there's about three kde releases to take care of [12:45] Riddell: ok, I take a closer look then [12:46] Riddell: 3.5.6, 3.5.7 and 3.80? === seb128 hugs pitti [12:46] StevenK, 3.80.x :) [12:47] StevenK: 3.5.7, 3.90.1 and koffice something [12:47] Fun. [12:50] mvo, Riddell, Hobbsee: I've a pkg of kdebluetooth-dbus-integration ready. I've pinged dgollub about some bugs that need fixing. === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] tepsipakki: hm, I'm TIL for xserver-xorg-video-voodoo; do you happen to know whether we still need the debian/ modifications? [12:53] tepsipakki: oh, we still need the Conflicts/Replaces: xserver-xorg-driver-voodoo until the next LTS, so no sync; I can merge this unless you want to? [12:55] allee: great, actually tonio's a better dude for kdebluetooth than me [12:55] Riddell: your on the list just because you mentioned kdebluetooth too :) [12:56] tepsipakki: ah, nice, that's even in Debian === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] mvo_: relax. I take care of kdebluetooth [01:01] allee: do you remember if we had a spec registered for bluetooth in kubuntu? [01:01] I can't see it now [01:02] Riddell: tonio wanted to write it. I've seen him working on it last day at UDS [01:02] Riddell, i think i rember seeing one, but i cant be sure [01:10] Mithrandir: Can you look at/voluntell someone to poke at the ia64 buildds. Both of the AUTO are showing as IDLE, and builds are piling up. === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-67-47.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] doko, Mithrandir: does any of you feel a particular urge to merge ia32-libs? if not, I'll see to that now [01:11] doko, Mithrandir: we only need it as a build dep of mbr now, so I'm not too afraid of breaking the world === Keybuk didn't know pitti was into sado-masochism === mvo -> lunch [01:12] <\sh> pitti, please leave it functional, so I can try to build wine32 on x86_64 ;) [01:12] well, I didn't propose to upload something untested :) [01:12] pitti: an update should be enough, never merged that. maybe have a look, which additional packages debian includes [01:12] I just meant that we don't need it any more for OO.o, so I'll test-build mbr and check it with vmware [01:12] doko: we also need to drop some binary packages [01:13] doko: and debian has quite a lot of fixes and updates, too, and we didn't merge any more since breezy [01:15] Keybuk: it's not yet enough for OO.o ;) [01:15] talking of S&M ... time to merge lvm2 === mbiebl [n=michael@e180071172.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] you poor people === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] Hobbsee: Yes. Look what you have to look forward to - main merges. [01:18] Oh, wait. [01:18] heh [01:18] so, you know how earlier, I was trying to work out what lvm-common actually did [01:18] turns out it's obsoleted by the new Debian lvm2 [01:18] Riddell: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-bluetooth [01:19] heh === Company [n=Company@e176098149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] asac: i have some comments about "easy codec install" in FreeFlash - should i bloat the wiki or do you wanna discuss it here? [01:23] Company: if your comments are well thought ... add it to wiki ... if you want to discuss it first ... lets discuss :) [01:23] improvements always welcome [01:23] asac: i think hooking into a playing flash file for the easy codec stuff is a bad idea [01:24] asac: 1) it's not as simple as in the wiki, since sound can be in lots of places [01:25] asac: 2) flash files are expected to be self-contained and it would break that model [01:25] asac: since it is well known which codecs are needed, why don't you do codec-install them upon package install or first start of the flash player? [01:27] Company: looking at gnash code it appears that flash actually gives up if the codec isn't found. [01:27] which is the place where to hook in codec install [01:28] "gives up" as in stops playback? === Company hasn't looked at gnash [01:28] imo doesn't matter ... the codec install will be asynchronous ... so even it it goes ahead ... it doesn't matter === marilize [n=marilize@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] Company: its just not there for the current flash movie ... next one will discover it ... or maybe after restart [01:29] hrm yeah, that's weird [01:30] Company: my solution looks pretty easy to realize ... tricky things are in "outstanding issues" [01:30] i'd prefer if it happened upon install or when instantiating the flash plugin the first time [01:30] actually i would like to find a way to start easy codec install for swfdec as well [01:30] so we have the option to switch [01:30] yeah, that's where i'm coming from ;) [01:31] i know :) === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] asac: you wouldn't catch the mp3 playback (or other audio codecs) with hooking into netstream [01:32] Company: in a perfect world we could hook in the easy code install to the gui code [01:33] erk, ia32-libs merge is an utter mess === ubuntulog2 [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] i would hook (in swfdec) the easy codec stuff into the mozilla plugin and upon plugin_init or plugin_new_instance do the check for the required formats [01:34] unless it's possible to do as a package post-install hook [01:34] in which case i'd run it there [01:35] but i'm not a packager, so no clue about that possibility [01:35] the difference between ie totem and flash is that totem plays anything, while flash needs 3 formats, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to defer installing codecs until later (imo) === Huahua [n=hua@116.21.125.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] Company: how should mozill introspect flash movies to see a missing codec? [01:40] i don't think that is feasible [01:40] mozilla shouldn't [01:40] the plugin should === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] swfdec's or gnash's moz plugin [01:41] just check if the 3 required codecs exist and if not, launch codec install [01:41] point is you cannot touch mozilla plugin code without risking severe breakage all over the universe :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has left #ubuntu-devel ["irssi] [01:42] Company: its important for us that codecs that are not shipped in main get installed lazily [01:42] e.g. just if you need them === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEE847.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] or make a big fat plugin wrapper [01:43] but that's like adding a can of worms [01:43] i don't want to touch moz code at all [01:43] i want to touch swfdec-mozilla code [01:43] ah ok [01:43] or make you do it :p [01:43] now i get your point [01:43] gnash has a standalone player as well [01:43] i want it to work for that one as well [01:44] swfdec might have a standalone player at some point ... right? [01:44] right [01:44] in gnash you could hook into the standalone player [01:44] ... so adding that to mozilla plugin code is not really a solution [01:44] since the plugin just launches that one using XEmbed [01:44] doko: does ia64 now have a native oo.o, or do we still need the lib32z1/lib32stdc++6 packages from ia32-libs on ia64? [01:45] if you want the xid you'll have to do it anyway [01:45] since swfdec doesn't know about X [01:45] but gtk knows :) ... at least conditionally [01:46] right [01:46] but swfdec soesn't know about gtk either :p [01:46] so where do you get the window you draw upon from? [01:47] swfdec uses cairo === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] so the apps create a cairo context and pass that one to swfdec [01:47] ok ... i see ... for swfdec we might need to add that plugin install to wrapping application (e.g. mozilla-plugin + maybe standalong player) [01:48] anyway ... we need some detailed feedback from swfdec api about missing codecs [01:48] same goes for gnash of course ... which is the outstanding issue: extend backend/server contract to notify UI about missing codecs [01:49] yeah, that's the other point [01:50] why can't you just check all required codecs no matter if you need them for the current flash files or not? [01:50] because we don't want to encourage people to install things that they don't need [01:51] especially if those things are not in main [01:51] or have patents etc. [01:51] pitti: yes, I should've mentioned that the changes are in debian now.. [01:51] pitti: did you notice the others too? [01:51] doko: oh, ia64 doesn't have any OO.o any more in the first place; so we dont' actually need to care any more [01:51] so you want to delay install until the last possible second? [01:51] tepsipakki: I just synced it [01:51] tepsipakki: 'the others'? [01:51] Company: right [01:52] hrm [01:52] pitti: in the bug, -mga, -suncg6, -via [01:53] it's not that it's hard to export functionality to detect missing plugins [01:53] oh, and discover-data [01:53] tepsipakki: I just looked at the merge, and didn't see a sync request bug for -voodoo; I didn't look at any other bugs [01:53] Will remove the following packages from gutsy: [01:53] lvm-common | 1.5.20ubuntu4 | hppa [01:53] lvm-common | 1.5.20ubuntu12 | amd64, ia64, powerpc [01:53] lvm-common | 1.5.20ubuntu14 | source, i386, sparc [01:53] Company: you use gstreamer as well, right? [01:53] it's just that it's a lot of work and would probably look ugly === Keybuk dances the "ding dong" song [01:53] asac: yes [01:53] pitti: ok :) bug 115963 [01:53] Launchpad bug 115963 in Ubuntu "Please sync from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115963 [01:53] ok ... actually its just a notify signal [01:53] Company: what would be ugly about that? [01:53] Keybuk: -m '(Keybuk) Those suck and we do not like them any more' ? [01:54] tepsipakki: ah, I see [01:54] pitti: conflict/replace'd by lvm2 [01:54] asac: getting the notify signal from inside swfdec out to the application runing it [01:54] yes ... might be an implementation issue ... but for the general swfdec api contract it won't do any harm [01:54] pitti: correct [01:54] even more so if you don't depend on swfdec users to actually deal with that notification [01:55] swfdec doesn't expose the multimedia codes in its api [01:55] doko: thanks; this will make the delta much smaller [01:55] they're buried very well deep inside the code :) [01:55] Keybuk: so i can sign with blood my machines won't boot anymore? :) [01:55] Company: right ... its just a codec name afaik [01:55] pitti: sorry, I thought you were doing archive-admin duties :) [01:55] tepsipakki: no, just reviewing my merges; my archive day is Friday [01:55] e.g. like an error detail [01:55] and you want to stop playback of the flash file until the codec installation is done [01:55] fabbione: you mean they booted now? :p [01:55] and then continue with the codec [01:56] Keybuk: well sometimes... [01:56] which is something that the app would need to know about [01:56] Company: would be nice to restart after codece install is finished ... but its not necessary to stop it ... as its not getting worth then before i guess :) [01:56] Company: yes ... the app should deal with that ... we agree [01:56] would be weird if you get sound but no video [01:56] but its the case atm, right? [01:57] anyway ... app can do everything ... e.g. stop [01:57] continue [01:57]