[12:42] <gnomefreak> ok its fixed and built thanks to the motu guys
[09:28] <gnomefreak> asac: everything from yesterday is done and i got evo done
[09:49] <gnomefreak> ok evo done and upgrading
[09:59] <gnomefreak> evo doesnt start due to systems config doesnt match evos. there is a help and tells you to add a line to an .xml file but im wondering if i should have built it in.
[10:03] <gnomefreak> seems it does that on dapper with dappers version too :)
[10:05] <asac> gnomefreak: really
[10:05] <asac> great news
[10:05] <asac> oh ... evo doesn't start ... hmm
[10:05] <gnomefreak> yep but it still doesnt start but does it on dappers version
[10:05] <gnomefreak> its nothing i did :)
[10:06] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm ... so first issue: evo needs some system config tweaks
[10:06] <asac> do you have the exact message?
[10:06] <gnomefreak> asac: maybe not on a normal system
[10:06] <gnomefreak> i can
[10:07] <gnomefreak> Your system configuration does not match your Evolution configuration.
[10:07] <gnomefreak> Click help for details
[10:07] <gnomefreak> clicking help
[10:07] <gnomefreak>  What does "Your system configuration does not match your Evolution configuration" mean?
[10:07] <gnomefreak> This means that the system configuration is not what it should be for the application to run well. To fix this, you must be root and edit the file /etc/bonobo-activation/bonobo-activation-config.xml by adding the line
[10:07] <gnomefreak>  <item>$PREFIX/lib/bonobo/servers</item>
[10:07] <gnomefreak> in the <searchpath> section. After this, kill the process "bonobo-activation-server" and restart Evolution.
[10:07] <gnomefreak> is on the page that help brings me to
[10:08] <asac> what is in that bonobo xml file?
[10:08] <gnomefreak> dont know didnt look at it yet
[10:08] <gnomefreak> i will give me a sec
[10:09] <gnomefreak> 13 full lines :(
[10:09] <gnomefreak> thats kind of tiny
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[10:09] <gnomefreak> <?xml version="1.0"?>
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 <!-- Examples: --> <!-- <item>/opt/gnome2/lib/bonobo/servers</item> --> <!-- <item>/usr/local/gnome2/lib/bonobo/servers</item> --> <!-- <item>/usr/local/lib/bonobo/servers</item> --> <!-- <item>/opt/gnome2/bonobo-activation/lib/bonobo/servers</item> -->
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[10:12] <gnomefreak> we need someone to test it on a full dapper system
[10:12] <asac> gnomefreak: you build the same version that is in dapper, right? e.g. not evol from feisty?
[10:12] <gnomefreak> right
[10:12] <asac> ok that should be fine
[10:13] <asac> howver i doubt that a full system will change a thing ... though it might be right
[10:13] <gnomefreak> 2.6.1-0ubuntu7.1
[10:13] <gnomefreak> !info evolution dapper
[10:13] <asac> gnomefreak: does evol start in clean dapper + evo install (e.g. without respin) ?
[10:13] <ubotu> evolution: The groupware suite. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.1-0ubuntu7.1 (dapper), package size 4586 kB, installed size 34184 kB
[10:13] <gnomefreak> asac: no
[10:13] <gnomefreak> same error
[10:13] <asac> gnomefreak: it doesn't start?
[10:13] <gnomefreak> not in my chroot at all
[10:13] <asac> gnomefreak: can you ask on -desktop what to do in order to test evo in chroot ?
[10:14] <gnomefreak> ok
[10:14] <asac> cool
[10:15] <gnomefreak> not promissing an answer though
[10:19] <gnomefreak> btw gaim-encryption needed its rules file edited to build
[10:20] <gnomefreak> simple edit i seemed to have been overlooking (real simple)
[10:32] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[10:32] <gnomefreak> installing bonobo to see what happens
[10:33] <gnomefreak> maybe adding that to a depend would be helpful
[10:33] <gnomefreak> s/to a/as a
[10:34] <gnomefreak> in ~5 mnutes or so i will see if it helps than upgrade to our build
[10:40] <gnomefreak> that didnt fix issue
[10:44] <gnomefreak> im willing to bet installing ubuntu-desktop will let evo run, there has to be a lib for -desktop that i dont have installed
[10:45] <gnomefreak> but part that bothers me id installing evo should grab all needed libs.
[10:53] <gnomefreak> well asac im not sure why it fails in chroot.
[10:53] <asac> sad
[10:53] <asac> :)
[10:54] <gnomefreak> you gonna tell me OO.o-core is next arnt you?
[11:00] <gnomefreak> btw firefox runs why are we backporting everything else?
[11:01] <asac> does any ooo thing depend on firefox, libnss or libnsprs?
[11:01] <asac> gnomefreak: because when we push ffox 2 in dapper ... everything else will likely crash :)
[11:01] <asac> as the old gets removed
[11:02] <gnomefreak> yes it does :( let me see what one it is
[11:04] <asac> every rdepends is candidate for respin
[11:04] <asac> lets say evo works :)
[11:04] <asac> just push it to your archive as it is
[11:04] <asac> and let the forum crowd test it
[11:04] <gnomefreak> it is
[11:04] <asac> good
[11:04] <gnomefreak> openoffice.org-core (hold)
[11:04] <asac> what was the issue with gaim-encryption
[11:04] <asac> openoffice.org-core?
[11:04] <gnomefreak> openoffice.org-core (hold)
[11:04] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[11:04] <asac> it depends on libnss3 and libnspr4
[11:04] <asac> so openoffice needs respin
[11:04] <asac> but should be pretty simple
[11:04] <asac> just spin
[11:04] <gnomefreak> not listed for ff
[11:04] <asac> with bumped version in changelog
[11:04] <gnomefreak> just nss and nspr
[11:04] <asac> yes its for libnspr4
[11:04] <asac> yes ... needs an update then (though it should be binary compatible)
[11:05] <gnomefreak> ok will try.
[11:05] <asac> good luck :)
[11:05] <gnomefreak> do you see anything else that needs to be done first
[11:05] <asac> there is one file that takes 1 hour to build on a decent system
[11:05] <asac> your build might take 24 hours :)
[11:05] <asac> not first ... you could do something else :)
[11:05] <asac> but openoffice is really important ... so go ahead
[11:06] <gnomefreak> asac: gaim-* in the rules file nss and nspr pointed to usr/..../mozilla/.. and should have been firefox
[11:06] <asac> really?
[11:06] <gnomefreak> ok will spin it
[11:06] <gnomefreak> yeah
[11:06] <asac> does gaim-encryption actually work?
[11:06] <gnomefreak> now it does
[11:06] <asac> i mean ... before the respin
[11:06] <asac> gnomefreak: can you maintaine a patch for that?
[11:06] <gnomefreak> oh i dont know i assumed so
[11:06] <asac> e.g. like what i did for epiphany
[11:07] <asac> so we have all patches we need when we are done with that?
[11:07] <asac> you can do so by:
[11:07] <asac> cp debian/rules debian/rules.orig
[11:07] <asac> then modify debian/rules
[11:07] <gnomefreak> ok i will try what to name it?
[11:07] <asac> then run diff -u gaim-encryp.../debian/rules.orig gaim-en.../debian/rules > /tmp/gaim-dapper-ffox2.patch
[11:08] <asac> gaim-encryption-dapper-ffox2.patch
[11:10] <gnomefreak> can i just use diff -u debian/riles?
[11:10] <gnomefreak> or do i need to be out further?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> k patch is made
[11:19] <gnomefreak> grabbing source for o.o-core
[11:19] <gnomefreak> oo.o-core even
[11:35] <asac> gnomefreak: please do the diff from top-level-dir/.. - one more up
[11:35] <gnomefreak> hell just grabbing the source is 2+ hours
[11:35] <asac> right :)
[11:35] <gnomefreak> from outside the unpacked source dir?
[11:35] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe you should take care of everything else ... and leave me ... or some volunteer with a speedy system the ooo build
[11:37] <asac> gnomefreak: is ooo-core a separate source package=
[11:37] <asac> ?
[11:37] <asac> or is it all-in-one-wonder tarball for all openoffice?
[11:37] <gnomefreak> doesnt seem to be
[11:37] <asac> ok ... so you are pulling full oo?
[11:37] <gnomefreak>  http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main openoffice.org 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.3 (dsc) [3264B] 
[11:37] <asac> ok with you if you build everything else?
[11:37] <gnomefreak> looks like it
[11:38] <asac> can people already get the things from dapper repo?
[11:38] <asac> e.g. if i ask someone on motu to do the ooo respin?
[11:38] <gnomefreak> thats fine give me a list or do you want everything built? we are runnning low on things afaict
[11:38] <asac> gnomefreak: thats good news
[11:38] <asac> first take care that every rdepends on libnss3 and libnspr4 is respun
[11:38] <asac> then go to firefox
[11:39] <asac> (exclude ooo from it of course)
[11:39] <gnomefreak> i can do about 5 or so a day
[11:39] <gnomefreak> k order shouldnt be an issue?
[11:39] <asac> you will probably notice
[11:39] <asac> just try to build :)
[11:39] <gnomefreak> gaim-encryption-2.38 is the dir you want me in?
[11:39] <asac> if installing the build-deps brings old firefox/libnss somehow
[11:39] <asac> you probably need something else first
[11:39] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[11:39] <asac> but most should be direct depends
[11:40] <asac> gnomefreak: on top of that dir
[11:40] <asac> i want gaim-encryption directory to be in diff path
[11:40] <gnomefreak> oh ok wher ethe tar and diff is
[11:40] <asac> the idea is that you can apply patches with -p1 if you are *in* the top-level dir
[11:40] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[11:40] <asac> gnomefreak: right
[11:42] <gnomefreak> ok lets see wha tit holds now
[11:42] <gnomefreak> make: Nothing to be done for `gaim-encryption-2.38/debian/rules'.
[11:42] <gnomefreak> that cant be good
[11:43] <gnomefreak> seems from that dir it cant be done
[11:43] <gnomefreak> gaim-encryption-2.38/debian/rules.orig gaim-encryption-2.38/debian/rules > ~/gaim-encryption-dapper-ffox2.patch
[11:44] <gnomefreak> that is the command
[11:44] <gnomefreak> oh crap
[11:44] <gnomefreak> nvm
[11:45] <gnomefreak> ok its done
[11:46] <gnomefreak> helps if you use the diff -u command
[11:46] <asac> gnomefreak: you have to start with unmodified gaim-e package
[11:46] <asac> the copy the rules to rules.orig
[11:46] <gnomefreak> already did that
[11:46] <asac> ah :)
[11:46] <asac> cool
[11:46] <gnomefreak> i diffed .orig against rules
[11:46] <asac> you can push it somewhere so i can push the patch to my transition dir on people.ubuntu.com
[11:46] <asac> ?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> yes i can :)
[11:47] <asac> somewhere not called "pastebin" please :)
[11:47] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:47] <asac> hehe
[11:47] <gnomefreak> my site will have it
[11:48] <asac> damn motu crowed appears to be not that tempted to help on ooo respin
[11:48] <asac> no answer so far :)
[11:48] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/gaim-encryption-dapper-ffox2.patch
[11:48] <gnomefreak> you can wget from there ;)
[11:48] <asac> gnomefreak: well done
[11:49] <gnomefreak> libcamel1.2-8 needs to be built?
[11:49] <asac> gnomefreak: are the headers nowhere else?
[11:49] <gnomefreak> ty
[11:49] <gnomefreak> headers?
[11:49] <asac> if its in rdepends ... then yes
[11:49] <asac> nevermind
[11:49] <asac> i will look
[11:49] <gnomefreak> k
[11:49] <asac> all is ok
[11:49] <asac> they are really in /usr/include/firefox/
[11:49] <asac> ok
[11:49] <asac> patch accepted
[11:49] <gnomefreak> ty ;)
[11:50] <gnomefreak> i changed it on my version by hand
[11:50] <gnomefreak> the one in my repo
[11:50] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/dapper-ffox2-transition/
[11:51] <asac> if the patch applies cleanly then its fine
[11:51] <asac> i don't bother that the version in your repo was done by hand
[11:51] <gnomefreak> ok if an rdepend is in nss but not nspr no need to build or we should build everything anyway
[11:51] <gnomefreak> libnss3 libnspr4
[11:52] <gnomefreak> eh cant hurt to build everything they all seem small other than oo.o
[11:53] <gnomefreak> dont tell me you thought someone would help build that. its a beast of an app ;)
[11:59] <asac> we need to build everything that is remotely linked to anything libnss3 and libnspr4
[11:59] <asac> etc.
[11:59] <gnomefreak> i thought so
[12:00] <asac> i will find someone for ooo build
[12:00] <gnomefreak> if not ill do it overnight one night
[12:32] <gnomefreak> crap
[12:32] <gnomefreak> more evo crap
[12:52] <asac> what kind of crap is it?
[12:55] <gnomefreak> evolution-data-server-1.6.1
[12:55] <gnomefreak> is named libcamel1.2-8 in rdepends
[12:56] <gnomefreak> i may have bad memory :(
[01:01] <asac> if its squeezed out of the data source source
[01:01] <asac> then yes
[01:01] <asac> otherwise ... i don't know
[01:01] <asac> you will figure out
[01:01] <asac> :)
[01:02] <gnomefreak> i will :)
[01:02] <gnomefreak> its already building
[01:03] <gnomefreak> im gonna reboot when its done. i keep getting a system beep for no reason and praying its not memory
[01:06] <asac> sounds bad
[01:06] <asac> maybe your hard-disk is dying?
[01:06] <asac> gnomefreak: ?
[01:06] <gnomefreak> i dont know its a single beep every so often maybe 5 minutes apart
[01:11] <gnomefreak> maybe 10 builds without clear mem can cause that on low mem system?
[01:12] <gnomefreak> Mem:    255608k total,   251448k used,
[01:12] <gnomefreak> very possible let me reboot
[01:17] <gnomefreak> still doing it :(
[02:41] <SmokeyD> hey people. The thunderbird_2.0.0.0-0.mt1 for amd64 is missing in the mozilla preview archive. That way I can't install TB 2.0 form the preview archive on amd64
[02:41] <SmokeyD> should I report it as a bug or is it still work in progress
[02:41] <SmokeyD> I am using feisty
[02:49] <asac> SmokeyD: ok
[02:49] <asac> i will build one
[02:49] <SmokeyD> thanks
[02:49] <asac> just keep the preview archive line ... there should be a package soon
[03:31] <asac> hi Riddell ... thanks!
[03:32] <asac> Riddell: just one more note ahead ... the idea is to revive the firefox-kde-support spec ... and then figure out how we can do this in a way that is suitable for upstream inclusion ;)
[04:55] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: do we have a list of kde issues for firefox?
[04:56] <asac> ups
[04:56] <asac> that was fast :)
[04:57] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: ping? you having connectivity issues?
[04:57] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: yes. my internet connection at home likes to drop out on my linux machines
[04:57] <asac> oh ... received my question?
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> i worked it our with a router, but the router's settings got hosed and it refuses to set itself back up, :\
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> no, which question was that?
[04:58] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: you think you can help me to come up with a list of problems of firefox in kde?
[04:59] <asac> if i search the bugs for kde ... i get a few results ... but they are not well sorted out ... and not always kde related
[04:59] <Admiral_Chicago> of course. I haven't seen too many, but i'll try check it out
[04:59] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: e.g. the url protocol handler ... its probably not dealt with correctly for kde
[05:00] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: let me go through those, but give me 20 minutes to grab breakfast and commit some stuff
[05:00] <asac> sure
[05:00] <Admiral_Chicago> got a link to that bug
[05:00] <asac> following points out of my head (we should check them and ensure that we have bugs open for them)
[05:00] <asac> 1. url handler
[05:00] <asac> 2. background image
[05:01] <asac> 3. MIME handling ... are the right applications suggested if you open some file?
[05:01] <asac> 4. virtual file system ... is there such a thing like gnome-vfs that lets you access remote network filesystems etc.
[05:02] <asac> 5. theming ... does the gtk-qt engine apply kde themes) (i hope so ... but just want to ensure that this is actualyl the case)
[05:04] <asac> 6. there is a bug about the startup-notification ... e.g. that its not properly recognized ... is this really the case?
[05:05] <asac> 7. what bout font?
[05:07] <Riddell> 3) should wait for everyone to use xdg mime standard.  kde 4 does, I think gnome does, no idea about firefox
[05:08] <Riddell> 4) yes, kioslaves, what does firefox need that for?
[05:08] <Riddell> 5) gtk-qt does apply yes (to kubuntu users), although there's some firefox fix for it that I think no longer works
[05:09] <Riddell> fonts seem to work fine
[05:09] <Riddell> startup notification works fine for me
[05:10] <Admiral_Chicago> here is the thing, when I get a ogg theora from say, lugradio, it offers to open it with ogg123
[05:10] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe its because I don't have default apps, i've added xubuntu-desktop etc
[05:10] <Admiral_Chicago> by default, Fx should use amarok afaik
[05:13] <Riddell> amarok will use the KDE 3 mimetype system, which firefox won't use
[05:17] <asac> Riddell: firefox/mozilla apps have gnome-vfs support ... i remember voices asking for something similar on kde
[05:18] <Riddell> asac: but to do what?
[05:18] <asac> open, save, navigate files?
[05:18] <Riddell> right
[05:18] <asac> e.g. if you want to save an image on a samba share
[05:19] <Riddell> although presumably it should work fine running from KDE as well
[05:20] <asac> problem is that we pull in loads of gnome libs
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> so we would have to do the same with fx correct?
[05:22] <Riddell> getting it to dynamically load kioslaves libs or gnome-vfs libs on demand as appropriate would be pretty hard to do
[05:22] <asac> Riddell: mozilla has a component system ... we should be able to do that
[05:24] <asac> Riddell: question is ... how do we detect if kde is actually running
[05:24] <asac> ... which is kind of a fundamental question we have to solve before we can do anything properly :)
[05:25] <asac> Riddell: any idea how we can test if the current X display is kdeish?
[05:25] <Riddell> this is a common problem and I've yet to see a good answer
[05:26] <asac> yes ... its not really kde only :)
[05:27] <Riddell> apport does it by testing if ksmserver is running
[05:27] <Riddell> it's really something that xdg-utils should solve
[05:27] <asac> does apport test if ksmserver is serving current display ... or in general?
[05:28] <Riddell> I'm not sure, I can't find the code just now
[05:30] <asac> Riddell: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6718554/KDEBackground.diff
[05:30] <asac> that code tries to test for running kde :)
[05:30] <asac> its from linspire
[05:31] <Riddell> asac: /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug
[05:31] <Riddell> doesn't seem to care for machines running multiple sessions
[05:34] <asac> can you look at the diff? they do some wierd thing with color parsing in .kdesktoprc ... any idea what's checked by that?
[05:36] <asac> Riddell: ^^
[05:36] <Riddell> I don't know what it's doing
[05:37] <Riddell> it's reading .kde/share/config/kdesktoprc for the Color1 key
[05:37] <Riddell> and seems to think if it finds it that makes us a KDE desktop
[05:37] <Riddell> which would be crazy
[05:37] <asac> yeah ... i saw that ... but what do they get from that :)
[05:38] <asac> good to have someone confirm that it makes no sense ... at least not obviously
[05:39] <Riddell> this is a mozilla plugin to set the desktop background right?
[05:39] <Riddell> I think it's syncing between KDE and gnome background settings
[05:40] <Riddell> doesn't seem to be what we're after
[05:41] <Admiral_Chicago> still having connection issues...
[05:42] <asac> Riddell: it allows you to set the kde background if you click on the "use image as background" in firefox ... i don't think it syncs anything
[05:42] <asac> its just a hack that copies the downloaded file somewhere and sets it as kde background
[05:43] <asac> i am just interested in the "isKDEDesktop" detection code
[05:43] <Riddell> right
[05:43] <asac> maybe its something magic and Color1 is set at the beginning of a kde session or something .)
[05:43] <Riddell> not for me it isn't
[05:43] <Riddell> possibly linspire does something magic but I doubt it
[05:44] <asac> ok ... i will ask them for clarification
[05:45] <asac> Riddell: its bug 90851
[05:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90851 in firefox "Firefox does not set KDE wallpaper" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90851
[05:45] <asac> Jim Massey is the linspire guy that works with us somehow
[05:47] <Riddell> works for canonical?
[05:47] <Riddell> or a linspire guy who tries to talk to ubuntu as their upstream?
[05:48] <Riddell> seems like a good bug to get fixed, not it wants to change Wallpaper= not Color1=
[05:51] <asac> Riddell: he works for linspire ... its an efford to increase cooporation with downstream (from our side)
[06:20] <FreddyM> crap network...okay i promise one day i'll stay online for longer than 10 minutes
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago_> okay I have the latest clue files for firefox. I see we have added some things but for the most part they look like they need some love
[07:07] <Admiral_Chicago_> I'm leaving comments now for the people interested in mentoring
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago_> asac: do you want to be CC'ed on the email for Bughelper?
[07:25] <asac> i think i get them? i am in the team?
[07:25] <asac> otherwise yes
[07:33] <Admiral_Chicago1> did you get my message asac? my connection dropped/
[07:33] <Admiral_Chicago1> also, I seem to have found the culprit...
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> okay internet works now
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> IPv6 was the culprit