[01:42] <superm1> Daviey, you still here?
[01:42] <Daviey> yep
[01:42] <superm1> so do you want to elaborate a little more about what you had in mind with mythbuntu control centre?
[01:43] <Daviey> I started looking at a proof of concept
[01:43] <Daviey> When thing it should really have is "Record a new remote"
[01:43] <Daviey> I thought for v1 - it could just be a bash script
[01:44] <Daviey> hey jono
[01:44] <jono> hey
[01:44] <Daviey> Did you have any joy switching channel ownership?
[01:44] <superm1> well best off would be python i think actually, because then you can expand it into pygtk
[01:44] <Daviey> true, but i looked into pylirc
[01:44] <Daviey> and it might not fullfill our requirements
[01:45] <Daviey> All the references i have found makes it sound like, it's only for adding hooks to apps for premade lircrc files
[01:45] <superm1> what is pylirc?
[01:45] <superm1> havent even heard of it
[01:45] <Daviey> python lirc
[01:45] <Daviey> :)
[01:46] <Daviey> http://pylirc.mccabe.nu/
[01:46] <Daviey> Need to play with it some-more - started with a gtk interface..
[01:46] <Daviey> Then though bah - need to make a working console version first
[01:47] <Daviey> Trouble is - not a recent deb file for current python-version
[01:47] <Daviey> so currently need to add it from binary tar
[01:47] <superm1> well that module would be ideal for adding control support ot mythbuntu control centre, but you could still do the control centre without it
[01:48] <superm1> and just require mosue support for now
[01:48] <superm1> i guess the very first thing that came to mind when you mentioned this idea to me in the first place was gnome control center
[01:48] <Daviey> no - your missunderstanding me
[01:48] <superm1> guess so :)
[01:49] <Daviey> don't want to 'control' M.C.S with remote - want the option to record a 'new' remote
[01:49] <Daviey> ie gnerate lircrc file
[01:49] <superm1> okay
[01:50] <superm1> thats just one function of it though the way i'm understanding it
[01:50] <Daviey> In many ways - unless people are using the 'nova' remote (silver) - then i feel they may be better to record their own config's
[01:50] <Daviey> as many i have come across are hit and miss
[01:50] <superm1> i see
[01:50] <Daviey> with this app - i'm hoping it should take 10 seconds to record a new remote
[01:51] <Daviey> ie, press each button when prompted
[01:51] <Daviey> That's why i thought it might be bettter to make v1 with bash
[01:51] <Daviey> as the 'tools' are already there :)
[01:52] <superm1> well Daviey before you start this, maybe do you want to talk to the UMC guys, and make sure that the way its implemented its still compatible with the way they do lirc in the future?
[01:52] <Daviey> good plan - do they use irc?
[01:52] <superm1> hm
[01:52] <superm1> jono do you know?
[01:52] <Daviey> -> do the ubuntu media centre guys use IRC/
[01:53] <Daviey> he's off with the ducks methinks
[01:54] <Daviey> superm1, have you seen the UMC's logo?
[01:54] <Daviey> https://librarian.launchpad.net/7393572/umc-mugshot.png
[01:54] <Daviey> funky eh?
[01:55] <superm1> haha
[01:55] <Daviey> might have to bang off an email to ArnaudQuette
[01:55] <superm1> thats actually kinda cool i think
[01:55] <Daviey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RemoteControls
[01:56] <superm1> well best bet i think
[01:56] <superm1> is to join that mailing list
[01:56] <superm1> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMediaCenterTeam
[01:56] <Daviey> http://itooktheredpill.dyndns.org/images/dvbremote.png   <-   :)
[01:57] <superm1> That looks pretty straightforward
[01:57] <superm1> as long as you can handle all those changes being reflected across multiple apps
[01:57] <Daviey> I didn't know some dvb-t remotes have their mapping hardcoded in the kernel
[01:58] <Daviey> (that link above isn't my app)
[01:58] <superm1> several i2c ones do
[01:58] <superm1> the idea is that lirc-i2c will be eventually phased out i think
[01:58] <Daviey> I didn't know that - how stupid
[01:58] <superm1> well if you provide a kernel interface for changing buttons, no big deal i dont think
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
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 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
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 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
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 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
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 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
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 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
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 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
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 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
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 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
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 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
[06:21] <superm1> rogue780|mythsvr, ?
[06:47] <keescook> dejavu
[06:48] <superm1> haha keescook
[06:48] <superm1> i was on the phone and heard my laptop start beeping crazily
[06:48] <superm1> and saw all that
[06:48] <keescook> yeah, my IRC client lit up like an xmas tree.  :)
[06:48] <keescook> anyway, off to bed.  :)
[06:49] <superm1> night
[02:51] <Daviey> DaveMorris, ping
[02:56] <DaveMorris> hey
[02:56] <DaveMorris> Daviey: pong
[02:57] <Daviey> arg... lost my clipboard now
[02:57] <Daviey> How about this as a new frontend :) http://www.digitimes.com/Images/2007/04/19/2046_r.jpg
[03:01] <DaveMorris> looks nice, prices?
[03:02] <Daviey> don't think price is announced yet
[03:02] <Daviey> 'pico-itx'
[03:02] <DaveMorris> what are the specs?
[03:03] <Daviey> 1 GHz Via C7
[03:04] <Daviey> one SO-DIMM slot, a combination of IDE and SATA connectors, 10/100Mbps Ethernet and onboard sound is Sound Blaster Pro-compatible including a 7.1
[03:06] <DaveMorris> vga out or has it got component headers?
[03:06] <Daviey> vga
[03:07] <Daviey> but! 10cm x 7.2cm
[03:07] <DaveMorris> nice and small
[03:07] <Daviey> That's smaller than some COTS routers
[03:08] <Daviey> I'm wrong - has s-video
[03:08] <Daviey> http://www.mini-itx.com/2007/04/21/via-define-pico-itx-with-vt6047-reference-design
[03:10] <Daviey> DaveMorris, you use a mini-itx?
[03:10] <DaveMorris> yep
[03:24] <Daviey> Quiet / case?
[03:24] <Hugolp> DaveMorris:  what so do you use in the mini-itx?
[03:25] <DaveMorris> Hugolp: what do you mean?
[03:25] <Hugolp> what linux distro do you use in your mini-itx system?
[03:26] <DaveMorris> ubuntu
[03:26] <DaveMorris> and smoothwall
[03:26] <Hugolp> and how does it handle mythtv?
[03:26] <DaveMorris> fine, I have 1 running a frontend, with hardware decoding the cpu sits at around 95% idle
[03:27] <DaveMorris> I've got TV-OUT over composite video to a PAL TV, along with digtial sound via coxial to my amp
[03:27] <Hugolp> what procesor does it have?
[03:28] <DaveMorris> 1.5Ghz C5 I think
[03:28] <DaveMorris> let me check
[03:28] <DaveMorris>  VIA Esther processor 1500MHz
[03:29] <DaveMorris> http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=399 is the board I have
[03:30] <DaveMorris> C7 cpu
[03:30] <Hugolp> ok let me check
[03:32] <Hugolp> oh, its got mpeg-2 acceleration, that might be why it can handle mythtv so good
[03:32] <Hugolp> how much are those?
[03:32] <DaveMorris> are you in PAL or NTSC?
[03:33] <Hugolp> I am guessing youll need a fan for the procesor
[03:33] <Hugolp> I am from Barcelona so PAL
[03:33] <DaveMorris> for the faster ones, but its tiny
[03:33] <DaveMorris> you planning on using the TV-OUT or vga out?
[03:33] <DaveMorris> 140 inc VAT in the uk
[03:34] <Daviey> with funky case?
[03:34] <DaveMorris> nope, only the board and cpu :(
[03:34] <Hugolp> DaveMorris:  I would like dvi but vga would do
[03:34] <Hugolp> it looks really good but its expensive
[03:34] <DaveMorris> Hugolp: The next version has dvi I think
[03:35] <Hugolp> I think Ill wait a year or two to get into mini-itx systems
[03:36] <DaveMorris> yeah the EPIA EX has dvi and component video output
[03:36] <DaveMorris> but I don't know what the support is like on them
[03:37] <Daviey> buy me one - and i'll find out for you
[03:38] <DaveMorris> hahah
[04:34] <superm1> mornin guys
[04:35] <Daviey> hey
[04:35] <Daviey> Need a new diff for splash
[04:35] <superm1> yup...
[04:36] <superm1> this has been like a 1.5 month review now huh?
[04:36] <Daviey> Well my one was initially uploaded March 11th
[04:37] <Daviey> Something as important as this does need to be perfect...
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[04:38] <Daviey> Advocating... Yes, No, Yes, No
[04:38] <superm1> the thing is, all the packages that i've been referencing have things that have been mentioned here broken
[04:38] <Daviey> exactly!  Same as the one i initally uploaded
[04:42] <superm1> okay got a new one up
[04:42] <Daviey> good stuff
[04:43] <Daviey> I nearly made a diff - but wasn't sure if a) stepping on toes | b) weather REVU would mind
[04:43] <Daviey> then you turned up - so just didn't bother
[04:45] <superm1> well when its something that is just that simple, i'm not sure why crimsun didn't just do it and upload
[04:45] <Daviey> (i thought that aswell)
[04:46] <Daviey> but.... "they'll never learn"
[04:47] <Daviey> superm1, ubuntuwire jabber server down?
[04:47] <superm1> i've stopped logging in to it lately
[04:47] <superm1> no idea
[04:47] <superm1> because things were always slow or not working right for me
[04:47] <superm1> Daviey, if you want to take over the unofficial themes package go for it
[04:47] <Daviey> shame... idea had potential
[04:48] <superm1> its gotta be broken into lots of smaller packages now
[04:48] <Daviey> why?!
[04:48] <superm1> according to discussion in -motu
[04:48] <superm1> because a 90 meg source package is too big
[04:48] <Daviey> arg!
[04:48] <superm1> i was thinking it might be more worthwhile to just wget the sources
[04:48] <superm1> as needed
[04:48] <Daviey> how big is openoffice src package?!
[04:49] <superm1> haha
[04:49] <superm1> and build-depend on wget
[04:49] <superm1> or curl
[04:49] <Daviey> that's kinda nasty tho
[04:49] <Daviey> don't you think?
[04:49] <superm1> and then produce lots of resultant binary packages
[04:49] <superm1> and one metapackage
[04:49] <superm1> like community-themes
[04:49] <superm1> that depended on those
[04:49] <Daviey> How about a package for each theme - then a meta package for them all?
[04:51] <superm1> well that would be the idea
[04:51] <superm1> but i was thinking it might just be easier with a single source package
[04:51] <superm1> and the other thing is that the syth-* themes need to be taken out for the time being
[04:52] <superm1> until licensing is updated
[04:52] <superm1> that was the big thing that they caught
[04:53] <Daviey> k
[04:53] <Daviey> I think grabbing the src's via wget is horrible tho
[04:54] <Daviey> It would have to hosted on our server
[04:54] <Daviey> and then - if our server goes down, so does the package
[04:54] <superm1> well they'd be on the server's that were out there hosting currently
[04:54] <superm1> but your right
[04:56] <Daviey> If juski decides to move the location of his tar - breaks the pck
[04:57] <superm1> well then i guess lots of binary packages is the only way to really go
[04:57] <superm1> and lots of src packages
[04:57] <Daviey> :(
[04:57] <superm1> but the packaging can be nearly identical for each one
[04:58] <Daviey> Very demoralising packaging eh?
[04:58] <superm1> probably just a different debian/copyright for each
[05:00] <Daviey> I should be able to just cut down the current package's rules?  don't need to start from scratch?
[05:01] <superm1> yea that should be fine
[05:02] <Daviey> Where did the day go? It's 4:00pm already...
[05:02] <Cyberdance> hi! i've installed mythtv but i do not see anything at all... i have got a pretty old Hauppauge WinTV DVB-s. I have imported a channel list but the screen remains dark... anybody could help me please?
[05:02] <Cyberdance> backend and frontend are running on the same machine
[05:03] <superm1> the only problems that were mentioned the last time around were source package size and the license for the syth* themes, so yea cutting down packaging should work out good
[05:03] <Daviey> Cyberdance, Have you been able to use the DVB-S card outside myth?
[05:04] <Cyberdance> Daviey: in windows, yep
[05:04] <Daviey> hmm
[05:05] <Daviey> Cyberdance, this is quite a good quide for getting it to work outside myth
[05:05] <Daviey> http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[05:05] <Cyberdance> For windows i have bought WinDVBlive several years ago and it still works pretty fine...
[05:06] <Cyberdance> yep, i followed exactly this guide
[05:06] <Daviey> Cyberdance, where the guide mentions tzap - replace with szap
[05:06] <Cyberdance> ok, i'll try, thx
[05:06] <Daviey> szap being for satellite
[05:08] <Cyberdance> aaaaaah
[05:09] <Cyberdance> tzap failed for some reason and i did not know why...
[05:11] <Daviey> because tzap is for terrestrial
[05:11] <Daviey> you've got satellite :)
[05:18] <Cyberdance> ok... szap seems to be working
[05:19] <Cyberdance> i receives lines like that: status 1f | signal c7c7 | snr e6e6 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK
[05:19] <Cyberdance> Daviey: is that what it should be?
[05:19] <Daviey> I think so
[05:19] <Daviey> can't be bad :)
[05:20] <Cyberdance> the dvbstream command that is mentioned in the guide does not really work...
[05:20] <Cyberdance> dvbstream -o -ps 600 601 -qam 16 -cr 3_4 | mplayer -
[05:21] <Cyberdance> it says Reading from stdin, output to stout, streaming 2 streams
[05:21] <Daviey> it won't work - that's for "BBC ONE" dvd-t
[05:21] <Cyberdance> oh ok
[05:21] <Daviey> you'll need to find the parameters to use..
[05:21] <Daviey> I can't really help with that - i've never used dvb-s
[05:21] <Cyberdance> ic...
[05:21] <Daviey> google might help tho
[05:35] <superm1> Daviey, I'm not sure if you started already with packing up files into a package in the build script, but I added another last night
[05:35] <superm1> (word of warning)
[05:35] <Daviey> arg
[05:35] <Daviey> no i haven
[05:35] <Daviey> 't will do later tonight
[05:35] <superm1> I realized it will be necessary as i was working on ubiquity stuff yesterday
[05:36] <superm1> suddenly pretty busy eh :)
[05:36] <Daviey> yes
[05:37] <superm1> ubiquity is starting to wrap up a lot better.  The GUI is all there now, and I'm learning how to properly catch signals so that I can hide pages and control what is shown
[05:37] <superm1> RSI?
[05:37] <Daviey> wrist ache
[05:37] <superm1> get a wrist pad, or at least invent something that will let the computer be controlled by thoughts
[05:37] <superm1> at a very minimum
[05:37] <Daviey> hehe
[05:38] <superm1> i type faster than i think though, so i dont need one
[05:38] <Cyberdance> Daviey: I can watch TV now with XINE. works fine, but MythTV remains dark
[05:38] <Daviey> Cyberdance, your getting there
[05:39] <Daviey> I need to go home now
[05:39] <Cyberdance> np
[05:39] <superm1> cya DaveMorris
[05:39] <superm1> er Daviey
[05:39] <Cyberdance> cu
[05:39] <gardengnome> i tend to catch RSI quite easily
[05:39] <gardengnome> and it sucks.
[05:39] <gardengnome> :)
[05:39] <superm1> tab completion.  i say DaveMorris should change his name to something like DayeMorris, so i can tab complete Daviey easier
[05:40] <Daviey> yes!
[05:40] <Daviey> ttfn
[06:08] <DaveMorris> no
[09:21] <superm1> gardengnome, how comes progress on the svn packaging ?
[10:56] <Cyberdance> anyone can help me to set up mythtv correctly? my dvb-s card works with xine and szap but i would prefer mythtv
[11:10] <superm1> evenin Daviey
[11:29] <Daviey> hey
[11:29] <Daviey> home already?
[11:34] <rogue780|mythsvr> does anyone here run a setup with satellite?
[11:53] <superm1> Daviey, na.  its going to be a late day for me here today
[11:53] <superm1> i started a bit late
[11:53] <superm1> rogue780|mythsvr, Can't say I do
[11:54] <superm1> is it bad that i'm looking forward to coming home to play with ubiquity this evening more?
[11:54] <superm1> and that i've been formulating ideas to try al day
[12:19] <Cyberdance> yeehaw mythtv is up & running... but there are only two things that bother me: first, there are always the gnome menubar and taskbar visible which is really annoying. second, i have installed mythweb and chose several channels to be not visible. when zapping through channels in mythtv frontend all channels show up, even those that should be invisible. any ideas how to change that?
[12:22] <Daviey> Cyberdance, with the first problem - Is it set to be a 'window'
[12:22] <Daviey> it's a mythfrontend option
[12:22] <Cyberdance> window? not that i would know...
[12:23] <Cyberdance> it seems to be full screen but top and bottom are covered by these bars
[12:23] <Daviey> that's odd... haven't had that problem
[12:23] <Daviey> How are you starting myth?
[12:24] <Cyberdance> from the menu... wait i'll check the command that is invoked when clicking the icon...
[12:25] <Cyberdance> just mythfrontend
[12:25] <Cyberdance> nothing else, no parameters at all
[12:28] <Cyberdance> even with the -nw option it's the same
[12:29] <Cyberdance> well i'll have to to some trial&error then... thx so far