[12:24] <LaserJock> wahooo, will's back :-)
[12:28] <Burgundavia> NM tends to cause my X to hardlock
[12:28] <Burgundavia> is tonnes of fun
[12:29] <willvdl> LaserJock, don't be alarmed now son :)
[12:31] <LaserJock> I have nasty hibernation issues
[12:31] <LaserJock> I wonder if it could be NM
[12:31] <LaserJock> edgy was solid for me for hibernation
[12:32] <LaserJock> one feature (resume when you open the lid) didn't work but it was solid
[12:32] <LaserJock> with feisty I get all kinds of issues
[12:32] <LaserJock> I have to sit there and watch to make sure it actually hibernates
[12:32] <LaserJock> and lately it's been not hibernating but losing keyboard
[12:33] <LaserJock> so I can't do much to fix the problem
[12:33] <LaserJock> so it's a hard reboot
[12:33] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I probably shouldn't either, but I hate leaving a laptop on all day. I'm afraid it's going to overheat
[12:46] <willvdl> LaserJock, just think of it some _serious_ hibernation
[12:47] <willvdl> OMH, have I been waiting for this or what! https://forge.vodafonebetavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/
[12:50] <ajmitch> looks useful
[12:52] <LaserJock> is vodafone a cell phone provider?
[12:54] <ajmitch> yep
[12:54] <ajmitch> a rather large international one
[12:55] <ajmitch> thankfully my phone did automatic roaming onto the vodafone UK & vodafone ES networks when I was over there :)
[12:57] <LaserJock> I'm not sure that we have it in the US
[12:58] <LaserJock> I think I might have been OK in Spain if I had a quad-band phone
[01:24] <willvdl> LaserJock, one of the reasons we have sooo many Edubuntu wiki pages is also because I initially setup redirects from camel case wikinames to sub-linked structure
[01:24] <willvdl> nervous to remove them :)
[01:27] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:27] <LaserJock> I just do a quick google search on the url to see if anybody is linking to them externally
[01:28] <LaserJock> and an internal search
[01:28] <LaserJock> and I zap them if I get nothing
[01:29] <willvdl> folks use bookmarks sometimes though
[01:29] <LaserJock> bah, who cares ;-)
[01:29] <willvdl> or delete em and revert on complaints :)
[01:44] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Devel/RoadMap
[01:44] <willvdl> thar she blows
[01:54] <willvdl> who's a regexp guru here?
[02:34] <willvdl> okie. late again. see you tomorrow
[10:17] <Fredri1> Hello, is there anyone that can guide me through some admin tools in edubuntu? Im trying to get a network printer set for all users, is there any way to do this without going in to every single user account and set it?
[10:18] <RichEd> Fredri1: let me check for a wiki page quickly ... give me a min
[10:19] <Fredri1> Thank you
[10:25] <RichEd> Fredri1: https://help.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/printer-configuration.html
[10:25] <RichEd> see: Printer Configuration with the Terminal (Advanced Users)
[10:25] <RichEd> You could write a script to do this I assume.
[10:26] <Fredri1> Thanks
[12:52] <RichEd> hi ogra-classmate
[12:55] <ogra-classmate> hey hey
[12:55] <RichEd> quicki wiki question: can i do a block where I tell the wiki to interpret as standard HTML and not wiki formatting ?
[12:56] <kgoetz> yes you can
[12:56] <kgoetz> off the top of my head i dont remember though (for the ubuntu wiki)
[12:56] <ogra-classmate> RichEd: ah, -classmate isnbt registered so you didnt see my answer
[12:56] <ogra-classmate> put the block in three curly brackets
[12:56] <RichEd> thanks kgoetz
[12:57] <RichEd> thanks ogra ... I presume I can do as long a chunk as I want ?
[12:57] <kgoetz> ogra-classmate: heh. so i did remember, i'm getting my wikis confused ;)
[12:59] <ogra-classmate> tables and wikis are nothing you should menition in the same sentence
[02:17] <RichEd> ogra-classmate: no luck {{{ stops wiki interpretation but does not process HTML
[02:18] <ogra-classmate> you need to close it as well
[02:18] <ogra-classmate> oh
[02:19] <ogra-classmate> you want the html to be processed ?
[02:19] <RichEd> yessir i do indeed
[02:19] <ogra-classmate> i dont think thats possible
[02:19] <RichEd> or in fact *not* processed, but just sent to my browser so it can process it
[02:19] <ogra-classmate> i thought you wanted to show it
[02:19] <RichEd> np ... will go back to || then
[02:19] <highvoltage> RichEd: I think it escapes everything out :(
[02:20] <highvoltage> html in wiki would've been so nice.
[02:20] <ogra-classmate> thats unlikely to work ... if it would work it would be a big security hole in moin
[02:20] <RichEd> from #moin <quote>
 there is a unsupported html macro
 and there is moin 1.6
 but be aware of the security issues you'll have on a public wiki with this
 thanks ...
[02:21] <RichEd> you tech guys are all alike ;)
[02:21] <ogra-classmate> if you could embed html you likely could include java or javascript and do evil things
[02:26] <ogra-classmate> hmm, running evo with 20000 mails in my inbox doesnt make classmate to happy
[02:26] <ogra-classmate> hehe
[02:26] <highvoltage> ogra-classmate: other CMS's does it, I'm sure it can be done securely, you can filter stuff like javascript out
[02:26] <ogra-classmate> probably
[02:26] <ogra-classmate> i wouldnt do it if i were CMS upstream
[02:28] <ogra-classmate> it introduces an area thats predefined to cause you pain and grief
[02:29] <willvdl> RichEd, send me the html you want to display. I'll see if I can hash out a script
[02:30] <willvdl> or, if it's an app list, lets pop it in drupal :)
[02:30] <willvdl> drupal knows html ;] 
[02:31] <willvdl> cbx33!
[02:31] <cbx33> hey willvdl
[02:32] <RichEd> willvdl: first i'll get my page looking right in || and then maybe chat to you about a chunk of content
[02:32] <RichEd> thanks
[02:33] <willvdl> RichEd, if it's already in formatted html then it should be easy on the www site
[02:34] <RichEd> willvdl: i'll do a couple of pages and then show newz2000
[02:34] <willvdl> better :)
[02:35] <RichEd> if he likes what I am doing he may give me edit rights on a pre-production server ... cut out the middle step
[02:35] <willvdl> pre-production server?
[02:36] <RichEd> not sure what you call it ... test server ? the draft server ? that's just the naming convention we used in corporate land
[02:36] <willvdl> meaning a whole new seperate server?
[02:37] <RichEd> willvdl: he already has one ... where he built the new www.ubuntu.com content efore it replaced the old content
[02:37] <RichEd> *before
[02:38] <willvdl> ah. gotcha. was scared we were splitting servers for a sec :)
[02:45] <jsgotangco> ahh there's a meeting later
[02:45] <jsgotangco> but that's 4am for me heh
[02:47] <willvdl> highvoltage, have you ever looked at Intel little valley servers?
[02:48] <highvoltage> willvdl: no
[02:49] <willvdl> aha. want to help me test one out?
[02:50] <RichEd> willvdl: speaking of meetings ... are you able to chair tonight ? i have relatives with me (father in law) and am out to a family dinner.
[02:50] <ogra-classmate> teacher@edubuntu:~$ df -h
[02:50] <ogra-classmate> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[02:50] <ogra-classmate> unionfs               278M  8.0M  270M   3% /
[02:50] <ogra-classmate> /dev/sdb3             825M   29M  796M   4% /home
[02:50] <ogra-classmate> meet the smallest edubuntu evah :)
[02:50] <highvoltage> willvdl: yep. what do I need to do?
[02:50] <willvdl> RichEd, sure
[02:50] <kgoetz> ogra-classmate: waho
[02:51] <willvdl> edubuntu-lite ...
[02:51] <willvdl> highvoltage, intel guys sent me one to look at
[02:52] <willvdl> just wondering how it would compare with other stuff you've been using as TC servers from them
[02:52] <RichEd> willvdl: from the UES relationship ? or another angel ?
[02:52] <RichEd> *angle
[02:52] <willvdl> RichEd, both. I deal with Intel ed folks on NEPAD as well
[02:53] <cbx33> ogra-classmate: so what's installed on it?
[02:53] <willvdl> but Willie linked me and Africa GM recently. going to chat to them in Kenya
[02:53] <cbx33> UES is an Angel?
[02:54] <willvdl> cbx33, or a Darling
[02:56] <cbx33> heheh
[02:58] <ogra-classmate> heh
[02:58] <ogra-classmate> well, it hides a lot :)
[02:58] <ogra-classmate> cbx33: www.classmatepc.com
[03:08] <cbx33> 404
[03:11] <willvdl> cbx33 works for me
[03:14] <RichEd> ogra-classmate: <BenC> RichEd: I'm going to test out rt73 again today on the classmate, using the driver that just got sent to me (which should support network-manager, wpa, wep, etc)
[03:14] <ogra-classmate> yeah, i was on CC in that mail
[03:14] <ogra-classmate> would be cool to get that fixed finallz
[03:14] <ogra-classmate> s/z/y
[03:19] <RichEd> ogra-classmate: also see the hackety hack mail
[03:20] <RichEd> let me know if you think this would be a fit for CmPc
[03:23] <ogra-classmate> will do
[03:50] <ogra-classmate> RichEd: the hackerty hack stuff would force us to pull a lot of stuff to main and on the CD i not really keen to support
[03:50] <ogra-classmate> *i'm
[03:51] <ogra-classmate> getting it into universe would be no problem though
[03:58] <willvdl> does anyone know if https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting is still current?
[03:58] <willvdl> it looks old but I'm wondering of Henrik's Testing pages take care of this now?
[03:58] <willvdl> ogra, do you still use https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting?
[03:59] <willvdl> ogra-classmat1, ^^^
[03:59] <ogra-classmat1> willvdl: it should be obsolete, i should make new test plans anyway for every release
[04:00] <willvdl> doesn't Henrik's Testing page host that stuff now?
[04:00] <ogra-classmat1> cjwatson and Keybuk are currently asdjusting the spec templates so we can add testing plans during speccing in the future
[04:01] <ogra-classmat1> hendriks testpage has none of the edubuntu specifis afaik
[04:01] <willvdl> aha. okie. will leave them there scheduled for expansion
[04:02] <ogra-classmat1> i'll try to work out somethingt proper before the big testing starts
[04:32] <mcsd> does anyone have edubuntu running?
[04:33] <mcsd> I was wondering if someone could check something for me
[04:33] <SimonAnibal> I have Ubuntu running...
[04:33] <mcsd> SimonAnibal: do you have kstars installed?
[04:33] <SimonAnibal> Yeah
[04:34] <mcsd> can you open it for me please
[04:34] <SimonAnibal> sure
[04:35] <mcsd> when I right click on an object ...say mars it has a list of thumbnails you can open..they open but if you chose say the wikipedia page entry on mars I get an error
[04:35] <mcsd> Error: Could not launch the browser Could not find service 'kfmclient'
[04:35] <SimonAnibal> Lemme check
[04:36] <willvdl> kfmclient?
[04:36] <mcsd> it appears because it is expecting to use KDE and not Gnome to route the request
[04:36] <SimonAnibal> I get the exact same error message over here
[04:36] <willvdl> yeah
[04:36] <mcsd> I googled kfclient I think it is something within KDE
[04:36] <willvdl> must be possible to reconfig to use firefox
[04:36] <mcsd> kfm rather
[04:36] <SimonAnibal> Hmmm, I can't find a preference for the browser
[04:37] <mcsd> I couldn't find anything either
[04:37] <willvdl> urk but that service won't be running anyway
[04:37] <willvdl> unless, you install its package...
[04:37] <SimonAnibal> Definite bug
[04:37] <mcsd> it really stinks cause linking to pages would be really useful
[04:37] <mcsd> I have it here   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/112414  but no responce
[04:37] <ogra-classmate> kfmclient is the piece that starts konqueror in browser or filemanager mode
[04:37] <willvdl> and a built in usabliity feature already
[04:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112414 in Ubuntu "Error: Could not find service 'kfmclient' using Gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[04:37] <mcsd> yeah that is my post
[04:38] <willvdl> :)
[04:38] <ogra-classmate> tra setting kstars to use a browser instead :)
[04:38] <ogra-classmate> *try
[04:38] <SimonAnibal> how?
[04:38] <mcsd> does the description in Launchpad seem clear?  I din't know how to classify it
[04:40] <willvdl> sounds fine. someone will try and confirm it
[04:40] <willvdl> then assign it
[04:41] <SimonAnibal> Can I confirm it? Or does a bug person have to do it
[04:41] <SimonAnibal> Hm, interesting visual
[04:46] <mcsd> ogra-classmate: try setting kstars to use a browser instead :)  ... do you know how to do this?
[04:46] <jikanter> does edubuntu package bluej?
[04:48] <ogra-classmate> msno idea, in the settings somewhere ?
[04:49] <RichEd> jikanter: i can't see it in add/remove ... what is it ?
[04:50] <kgoetz> i'm just trying dansguardian+squid - i'm impressed
[04:53] <kgoetz> wonder what the order of events is as far as filtering - i have adzapper and dansguardian. i'm not sure which is taking the brunt, but either way, its good
[04:54] <moquist> ogra-classmate: should I be able to drop your C greeter into /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/greeters and just pass 'greeter' in the path instead of 'gtk' in ldm? (It's not starting.)
[04:54] <moquist> dang.
[04:58] <jikanter> it is the program my university uses to teach students to program
[04:59] <jikanter> RichEd: It is the program my university uses to teach students to program
[04:59] <RichEd> jikanter: can you give me a reference where I can see the application details ? web page ?
[05:01] <kgoetz> what log file can i look in for hits againt the tftp server?
[05:03] <kgoetz> sorry, cancle that
[05:09] <kgoetz> darn. there used to be instructions on teh edubuntu wiki how to setup a client to boot the server, but be able to boot windows. anyoneknow where they went?
[05:10] <ogra-classmate> likely in help.ubuntu.com
[05:10] <ogra-classmate> s/in/on
[05:10] <kgoetz> i'll have a try, thanks
[05:14] <kgoetz> *sigh* cant find it. another page i should have saved :|
[05:17] <ogra-classmate> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
[05:18] <moquist> ogra-classmate: should I be able to drop your C greeter into /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/greeters and just pass 'greeter' in the path instead of 'gtk' in ldm? (It's not starting.)
[05:19] <moquist> ogra-classmate: rather, the X server keeps bouncing up and down, and greeter is complaining about ...
[05:19] <kgoetz> ogra-classmate: ah, wicked, thats the area.
[05:20] <moquist> ogra-classmate: should I need to install any additional packages in the chroot to use the C greeter?
[05:21] <ogra-classmate> moquist: i'll provide a new ldm package soon, until then you should just untar the tgz in the client chroot
[05:21] <juliux> hmm i have some strange syslog entries from pulseaudio any ideas?  http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/10980/
[05:21] <ogra-classmate> it should install everything in the right locations
[05:21] <juliux> that creates a lot of cpu work and so my fan is running the whole time
[05:23] <juliux> pulseaudio comes with the ltps packages on my computer
[05:24] <kgoetz> anyone here use feisty? is it possible to reboot a client, or sitll only to shut it down?
[05:24] <kgoetz> anyone here usign feisty. stupid questions r us
[05:24] <yuriy> i think it's still only shut it down
[05:25] <moquist> ogra-classmate: I just have a URL to a bzr branch. where is this tgz?
[05:26] <juliux> nobody an idea about the pulesaudio problem? if i stop pulse audio via the init.d skript it starts again, if i kill the porcess it starts again
[05:27] <juliux> ok i will remove pulseaudio;)
[05:27] <kgoetz> reboot would be so useful debuggin :\
[05:30] <ogra-classmate> juliux: hmm, nothing of ltsp-server should depend directly on pulse
[05:31] <juliux> ogra-classmate, no not depend but recommended
[05:31] <ogra-classmate> recommend is fine, but it shouldnt be installed, thats strange
[05:31] <ogra-classmate> you only need pulse on the client
[05:32] <ogra-classmate> kgoetz: feisty has reboot
[05:32] <kgoetz> ogra-classmate: woot. thanks. :)
[05:33] <ogra-classmate> moquist: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ldm-new-greeter.tgz
[05:35] <moquist> ogra-classmate: thx
[05:41] <kgoetz> almost there i hope. having issues booting per mac.
[05:41] <kgoetz> anyone got experiance booting with different pxelinux.cfg/config files? i've had it happening in the past, but cant for the life of me get it working now
[05:42] <moquist> kgoetz: you mean getting macs to boot a different config?
[05:42] <kgoetz> no, getting a pxe system to use a different config by MAC address
[05:43] <moquist> kgoetz: right...configuring dhcpd.conf to give a certain MAC address a certain set of options
[05:43] <moquist> kgoetz: Though I now see you're not talking about computers from Apple. :)
[05:43] <kgoetz> :)
[05:44] <moquist> kgoetz: Same answer, though. I'll plop a dhcpd.conf that does this sort of thing up on nopaste.
[05:44] <kgoetz> i thought you dropped a different named config file in pxelinux.0, but i'll look into the dhcpd.conf
[05:44] <kgoetz> moquist: that would be awesome, thanks
[05:44] <moquist> kgoetz: Well, you will need a different pxe config file
[05:45] <moquist> kgoetz: but dhcpd.conf has to know to hand that as an option to the DHCP client in question
[05:46] <moquist> http://n01se.net/paste/ld4
[05:46] <moquist> kgoetz: ^^^^^^
[05:46] <kgoetz> looking
[05:47] <kgoetz> hm. think i get it. i'll try it out. thanks again
[05:47] <moquist> kgoetz: np
[05:50] <kgoetz> moquist: is /lts/boot relative to teh tftp dir?
[05:50] <moquist> kgoetz: yes
[05:50] <moquist> kgoetz: that file came straight out of an almost-stock K12LTSP install, which puts some things in different places.
[05:51] <moquist> (than edubuntu)
[05:52] <cbx33> and cryptography freaks here :p
[05:56] <kgoetz> PXELINUX will search for its config file on the boot server in the following way:
[05:56] <kgoetz> First, it will search for the config file using the hardware type (using its ARP type code) and address, all in lower case hexadecimal with dash separators; for example, for an Ethernet (ARP type 1) with address 88:99:AA:BB:CC:DD it would search for the filename 01-88-99-aa-bb-cc-dd
[05:56] <kgoetz> but its /not/ doing that :(
[05:58] <moquist> ogra-classmate: just to review ('cuz the udev init changes aren't letting X start): I commented out /sbin/udevtrigger and the entire "if /sbin/udevsettle" branch.
[05:58] <ogra-classmate> no
[05:58] <ogra-classmate> dont comment udevtrigger
[05:58] <moquist> how about udevmonitor?
[05:59] <ogra-classmate> its the essential part you need
[05:59] <moquist> ogra-classmate: the note I wrote when you told me the first time is wrong. I will now fix it. :)
[05:59] <moquist> ogra-classmate: so only comment out udevtrigger?
[05:59] <ogra-classmate> udevmonitor and udevsettle should be commented
[05:59] <moquist> ha ha! ONLY comment udevmonitor and udevsettle, then.
[05:59] <ogra-classmate> right
[05:59] <moquist> ogra-classmate: righty-o.
[06:00] <ogra-classmate> i not even sure monitor gains us anything, but settle will
[06:00] <LaserJock> hi ogra-classmate
[06:00] <ogra-classmate> monitor likely only saves some ram
[06:00] <ogra-classmate> hey LaserJock
[06:01] <LaserJock> I don't suppose you've had a chance to look at my debdiff for tuxpaint?
[06:05] <willvdl> hey folks, how does one work out a .deb dependency list?
[06:05] <kgoetz> apt-cache [r] depends
[06:06] <LaserJock> willvdl: how do you mean?
[06:06] <willvdl> say for eg I want to install apache2 on a PC that has no internet connection
[06:06] <LaserJock> ah, then depends might work
[06:06] <willvdl> and I want to get all the required packages
[06:08] <willvdl> is there a way to just list the stuff I would need to download that are not part of a standard install?
[06:08] <moquist> it should be possible to put in a server install CD and add that repo to the sources.list
[06:08] <willvdl> apache2 was jsut an example
[06:08] <LaserJock> willvdl: well, synaptic will do it for you
[06:08] <moquist> willvdl: run apt-get install <blah> on a standard install that *is* connected to the network, and copy 'n paste the list of stuff that will be installed.
[06:08] <LaserJock> if you go in and select what  you want to install
[06:09] <LaserJock> then select the "save download script" it saves a bash script with wget lines
[06:09] <LaserJock> run that on any *nix computer and you'll have the .debs
[06:09] <moquist> LaserJock: that rocks.
[06:09] <LaserJock> of course it does ;-)
[06:09] <willvdl> it's hhhawt
[06:09] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:10] <LaserJock> there's also aptoncd
[06:10] <LaserJock> which I think might make you an .iso for it
[06:10] <LaserJock> but that might be a bit overkill in this case
[06:11] <willvdl> but useful
[06:12] <willvdl> LaserJock, where is the "save download script"?
[06:12] <LaserJock> in "File"
[06:13] <willvdl> ah, save markings
[06:14] <LaserJock> there should be a "Generate package download script" option
[06:14] <LaserJock> and then there is a "Add downloaded packages" option right below it
[06:14] <willvdl> right, but it only generates one level of dependency
[06:14] <LaserJock> it should produce everything you need to install
[06:15] <willvdl> what about stuff that those packages depend on?
[06:15] <willvdl> the dependencies for the dependencies?
[06:15] <LaserJock> yes
[06:15] <LaserJock> becuase when you go to install something, it has to do that anyway
[06:15] <willvdl> or is that all the depencies needed for your current system?
[06:15] <LaserJock> yes
[06:16] <willvdl> sweet
[06:16] <LaserJock> so run it on the computer with no connection
[06:16] <willvdl> excellent
[06:16] <willvdl> well, I'm suggesting the guy set up a vmware or qemu of the system he wants to maintain
[06:16] <RichEd> willvdl: may see you later in the meeting ... depends
[06:16] <willvdl> in his office
[06:16] <willvdl> RichEd, cool
[06:17] <willvdl> with a test bed like that he can determine what to download so that he has the stuff for the off-site installation
[06:21] <willvdl> LaserJock, moquist : that's exactly what I need
[06:21] <willvdl> I'm assuming synaptic is doing an apt depends anyway. would be interested to find out
[06:37] <kgoetz> this picture is of a menu put up from the default config file. i'm trying to get it to boot teh mac (should be first). even after trying what i've had suggested here icant get it going. throught the picture might make clear what i'm trying to do (incase it wasnt) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=LTSPMultibootScreenShot.png
[06:42] <kgoetz> hum.... i might have got it to go
[06:48] <kgoetz> for some reason, using the hex works, using the mac doesnt - *bit round shrug*
[06:53] <kgoetz> You guys are legends! it works :) thanks for your work
[09:14] <apecat> hmm, i'm trying to boot a client (vmware) to my edu feisty ltsp in vmware, and after the bootsplash i get bothing in all it's grandness. where should i start troubleshooting?
[09:15] <apecat> *lts
[09:41] <willvdl> [09:43] <willvdl> ooh, tea
[09:44] <LaserJock> argg, I forgot about it
[09:47] <willvdl> your tea?
[09:48] <LaserJock> no, the meeting
[09:49] <crimsun> he's terribly busy being an MOTU superstar :-)
[09:49] <crimsun> with his frickin lasers
[09:49] <LaserJock> I'm actually trying to do some experiments
[09:49] <LaserJock> and do some Main merges
[09:49] <crimsun> see? frickin lasers
[09:49] <juliux> willvdl, this time first h tech and the 1h communoty ??
[09:50] <LaserJock> crimsun: of course lasers ;-)
[09:50] <LaserJock> and I'm trying to arrange somem sea bass from the bio dept. :-)
[09:50] <willvdl> "Jordans with frikkin laserbeams attached to their head"?
[09:51] <willvdl> juliux, we'll follow the usual format I guess...
[09:51] <juliux> willvdl, ok
[09:51] <LaserJock> arggg
[09:51] <willvdl> hopefully not 2 hours :)
[09:52] <LaserJock> 3?
[09:52] <willvdl> If you want
[09:52] <willvdl> I can go on about the war?
[09:52] <willvdl> s/go/drone/
[09:53] <willvdl> [09:54] <LaserJock> hmm, then he realizes how long it takes just to download the gcompris tarball :/
[10:00] <ogra-classmate> LaserJock: pfft ... you should see the upload times
[10:01] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: were you planning on doing the merge?
[10:01] <LaserJock> I just saw it was there and thought I'd give it a go
[10:01] <ogra-classmate> well, its on mz general o merge"list
[10:02] <ogra-classmate> *my
[10:02] <pips1> hi folks
[10:02] <ogra-classmate> but i'm happy to give it away
[10:02] <pips1> =8-O
[10:02] <ogra-classmate> *join
[10:02] <pips1> ;-)
[10:02] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: I saw that doko touched it last so I wasn't sure
[10:03] <willvdl> [10:03] <pips1> willvdl: that's what I'm here for...
[10:03] <willvdl> I want to hear all about Linden Labs!
[10:04] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, RichEd might make it in later
[10:04] <pips1> willvdl: well, it was just a presentation...
[10:05] <willvdl> pips1, still... sounded interesting
[10:22] <ace_ace> !ogra
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[10:22] <ace_ace> !seen ogra
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen ogra - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <ace_ace> !gcompris
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gcompris - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <ace_ace> hi all, I have some problem with Edubuntu Feisty and Gcompris
[10:22] <ace_ace> First off, let me tell you how much improved Edubuntu Feisty is over Dapper: GREAT work !
[10:23] <ace_ace> My problem is: whe I run Gcompris, the screen gets all mangled on the thin client. At first it looks normal, then when there is
[10:23] <willvdl> ace_ace, we're in an Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting at the mo. may be a bit quiet
[10:23] <willvdl> pop by in there
[10:24] <ace_ace> that little clown being overlayed on the puzzle that you just finished, it's getting all striped (interlaced, it looks).
[10:24] <ace_ace> okay
[10:24] <ace_ace> thanks
[10:41] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: btw, are you still unable to post to edubuntu-* ML?
[10:41] <ogra-classmate> i never was
[10:41] <ogra-classmate> only -devel
[10:41] <LaserJock> you can post to -devel? or no
[10:41] <ogra-classmate> i can post to -users just fine
[10:41] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[10:41] <ogra-classmate> i cant post to -devel
[10:42] <LaserJock> we need to get that fixed
[10:42] <LaserJock> does using a separate email address help?
[10:42] <ogra-classmate> i have to set up one first :)
[10:43] <ogra-classmate> but i guess so
[10:45] <LaserJock> we need expert input there ;-)
[10:45] <LaserJock> and I'm at a bad TZ often to do IRC
[10:45] <ogra-classmate> yep
[10:46] <ogra-classmate> the ML needs love over all
[10:46] <willvdl> did you submit an RT?
[10:46] <ogra-classmate> there is quite a full queue as well
[10:46] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: who admins the edubuntu-devel list?
[10:46] <ogra-classmate> me, highvoltage, mez and RichEd
[10:47] <ogra-classmate> where mez isnt been active over the last 6 months
[10:47] <LaserJock> I don't mind moderating if you need help
[10:47] <ogra-classmate> i love to
[10:47] <ogra-classmate> i'll mail you the data if i'm back near my regular laptop again
[10:48] <ogra-classmate> (tomorrow morning)
[10:49] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: fine
[10:49] <ogra-classmate> hmmm
[10:50] <ogra-classmate> i wonder how fast a usb raid cluster might get
[10:51] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:51] <ogra-classmate> i'll test that if i'm done with the classmate :)
[10:52] <crimsun> ogra-classmate: not very.
[10:52] <ogra-classmate> data scattered over 4 or 6 flashdisks could get pretty fast
[10:53] <crimsun> I have 5 right now, and it's not noticeably faster than SATA.
[10:53] <ogra-classmate> but surely faster than one with three partitions you also run the os from :)
[10:53] <crimsun> man I'm going to miss free hw.
[10:53] <ogra-classmate> going to ?
[10:54] <crimsun> new job, no free stuff.
[10:54] <ogra-classmate> better job ?
[10:54] <crimsun> more challenging, more travelling - so in a sense, yes.
[10:54] <ogra-classmate> aww, more travelling ....
[10:56] <LaserJock> crimsun: is this a uni job?
[10:56] <crimsun> no.
[10:58] <LaserJock> so you're still teaching?
[10:59] <crimsun> LaserJock: I resigned last week.
[10:59] <nixternal> LaserJock: is it in our repos?
[11:00] <ogra-classmate> crimsun: and you didnt apply at canonical ?
[11:00] <LaserJock> nixternal: no
[11:00] <nixternal> k
[11:01] <LaserJock> crimsun: wow, big changes for you
[11:01] <nixternal> he is moving to DC...he wants to be my neighbor
[11:01] <LaserJock> heh
[11:01] <crimsun> ogra-classmate: no.
[11:02] <ogra-classmate> meh
[11:02] <ace_ace> hey guys
[11:02] <ogra-classmate> what a miss for us :(
[11:02] <ace_ace> still having problems with gcompris! The sound is working perfect in 7.04
[11:03] <ace_ace> but on the thin client, the screen is all messe dup. I tried gcompris -w but same problem.
[11:03] <ace_ace> Is thers some option that i need to enable to stop the screen messing up ?
[11:03] <ogra-classmate> try X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
[11:04] <ogra-classmate> in your ltd.conf
[11:04] <ogra-classmate> err
[11:04] <ogra-classmate> lts.conf
[11:04] <ace_ace> ogra!
[11:05] <ace_ace> The rest of Edubuntu is workng fine, it's just gcompris, are you sure ?
[11:06] <ogra-classmate> well, color depth is one option ... it wont hurt to try it once :)
[11:06] <ogra-classmate> after all its only adding/removing one line to a file :)
[11:07] <ace_ace> yea h yeah and by accident rebooting the server instead of the tc :-)
[11:17] <ace_ace> ogra: guess what, it worked :-) won't you make that the default in the lts.conf next release ?
[11:17] <ogra-classmate> no
[11:18] <ogra-classmate> its onlynecessary on older and rather underpowered graphics boards
[11:18] <ogra-classmate> so making it a default would be to much
[11:18] <ace_ace> ah okay. I have one of those disklessworkstations, a pity that thet have underpowerd gfx board then! (I got 56 og them :-)
[11:19] <ace_ace> But okay i got this now an will document it somewhere so I won't forget !
[11:19] <ogra-classmate> oh, the 500mhz one ?
[11:19] <ogra-classmate> the 1ghz variant works fine with 24bit
[11:20] <ogra-classmate> t170 is the name i think .... vs t150
[11:21] <ogra-classmate> it might be that you can set the shared graphics memory higher tofix that
[11:27] <ace_ace> it don't matter for now. I can see edubuntu has improved greatly!!!
[11:27] <ogra-classmate> +*
[11:27] <ogra-classmate> :)
[11:27] <ace_ace> I now have to go back to my old struggle with win4lin, but the good thing is
[11:28] <ace_ace> is that Jim Provan has opened his own site, win4lin9xsupport.com (or something like that)
[11:28] <ace_ace> so finally we will have kernel support for that stuff...
[11:28] <ogra-classmate> nice
[11:29] <ace_ace> Everytime I restart doing stuff with edubuntu, I am full of plans and ideas then 3 months later I have to confess that there is just nog enough time...
[11:29] <lns> wassuuuuuuuup all
[11:30] <ogra-classmate> yeah, it tends to eat peoples time
[11:30] <lns> Is it ok to discuss a vanilla Ubuntu Feisty/LTSP setup and some issues I've run into here?
[11:30] <ace_ace> but edubuntu is becoming better though, so it's becoming more easy for me to build on it.
[11:31] <ace_ace> So please do continue :-) I'll stand on the shoulders of giant ogre's :-)
[11:32] <ogra-classmate> :)
[11:37] <nixternal> LaserJock: thanks for the desktop-moinmoin heads up
[11:39] <LaserJock> it's working for you?
[11:39] <LaserJock> the thing that was nice for me is I can do it on my mac
[11:39] <LaserJock> they have a nice desktopmoin for OS X
[11:41] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: did you see the TB decision on core-dev process?
[11:42] <ogra-classmate> nope
[11:42] <ogra-classmate> i was pretty much out of the loop of everything during this week
[11:42] <LaserJock> so basically the MOUTU Council will recieve applications and collet info/recommendations/etc.
[11:42] <ogra-classmate> and thats unlikely to change before next
[11:42] <LaserJock> and then pass on a recommendation to the TB which will set up an interview with the applicant
[11:43] <LaserJock> I'm going to do a few more Main merges I think and then apply
[11:43] <LaserJock> but I'll need you're testimony via email
[11:46] <ogra-classmate> sure
[11:46] <ogra-classmate> you can have me in the interview if you want :)
[11:46] <LaserJock> excellent, just wanted to give you a heads up
[11:48] <pips1> hi
[11:49] <willvdl> LaserJock, what Mac do you use?
[11:50] <pips1> willvdl: I'll respond to that mail you wrote about organising edubuntu.org, noting that I'd prefer a fresh re-install of drupal...
[11:51] <willvdl> pips1, cool. I'm a self-proclaimed LP zealot :) so if you need help on that side I'm sure we can learn something from nixternal too
[11:52] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, mentioned in meeting was considering drupal module (on some DB) vs DB and then CGI web-forms
[11:52] <willvdl> the latter would not integrate well into drupal but if themed right might be much easier to develop?
[11:53] <LaserJock> willvdl: I have an intel iMac, 17"
[11:53] <willvdl> LaserJock, and you have acpi woes?
[11:54] <LaserJock> no
[11:54] <willvdl> suspend resume?
[11:54] <LaserJock> oh, that was on my laptop
[11:54] <LaserJock> my imac is only OS X
[11:54] <willvdl> oops, I'm thinking macbook
[11:55] <willvdl> curious as to ubuntu support on mac lappies
[11:55] <LaserJock> pips1: I'm totally +1 for using the LP teams/bzr/bug tracker for the edubuntu website
[11:55] <LaserJock> I think it's pretty darn good
[11:55] <pips1> willvdl: ogra-classmate if there are any questions about implementing the app-database as a drupal module, ping me
[11:55] <willvdl> pips1, I'm thinking about whether we should do it in drupal
[11:56] <willvdl> it means we have issues of upgrades of drupal etc.
[11:56] <LaserJock> well, you can put in essentially arbitrary php into a drupal page
[11:56] <willvdl> and if we ever decide to move it or share it across the edubuntu and community site...
[11:56] <pips1> well, you can ask matt nuzum on his views on this too, he has written a drupal module for the ubuntu.com site...
[11:56] <ogra-classmate> willvdl: well, it really depoends on who will make it ...
[11:56] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, true
[11:57] <LaserJock> that's the other thing
[11:57] <willvdl> so, who will make it? :)
[11:57] <LaserJock> do we even know who'll work on it?
[11:57] <willvdl> HedgeMage mentioned offering some help? <hint hint>
[11:57] <LaserJock> should we make it a community project?
[11:57] <ogra-classmate> i wouldnt be able to write a drupal module for example, i have no clue abiout php and am not keen on learning it
[11:57] <willvdl> of course
[11:57] <pips1> HedgeMage: ? that was long ago...
[11:57] <willvdl> no, recent
[11:57] <willvdl> according to rich
[11:58] <willvdl> presumably one can plug in arbitrary python cgi into drupal module too
[11:58] <pips1> oh, well I remember a conversation with RichEd and HedgeMage, but that was ages ago, but of course she might have talked to RichEd more recently
[11:58] <LaserJock> or you should be able to do it outside of drupal as well
[11:58] <willvdl> yeah
[11:58] <pips1> hmm..
[11:59] <LaserJock> I get a bit hesitent to do stuff like this in drupal
[11:59] <willvdl> my vote would be for python cgi. we have more python coders
[11:59] <LaserJock> since we could change cms or perhaps other people want to use it
[11:59] <willvdl> and I am more than happy to work on layout vs css
[11:59] <willvdl> which I can do better than coding these days
[11:59] <LaserJock> we can use the css from the drupal site and it should blend in ok
[12:00] <willvdl> LaserJock, or LP decides to integrate it :)
[12:00] <LaserJock> if it's python I could probably at least attempt at contributing
[12:00] <ogra-classmate> right, that would be a future goal
[12:00] <willvdl> pips1, but if it's easier in drupal... and we have more contribution...
[12:00] <willvdl> let's do both and see who gets it done first? Winner gets an honourable mention :)
[12:01] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:01] <LaserJock> well, perhaps we need to get a person/team around it first
[12:01] <LaserJock> and see what those people would like to do, since they're writing it, and discuss it with sysadmin's to make sure they're ok with it
[12:03] <willvdl> we have a website team but maybe a different one
[12:03] <willvdl> maybe register as a product and new team to control bzr access
[12:04] <pips1> yeah, I guess the person who does it get's a say on how to do it...
[12:04] <willvdl> LaserJock, and get it approved :)
[12:04] <pips1> however, let me just quickly state the benefits / drawbacks i see for doing it as a drupal module:
[12:05] <willvdl> shoot
[12:05] <pips1> Benefit 1: The application items are integrated in drupal's search
[12:05] <willvdl> application items?
[12:05] <pips1> Benefit 2: Perhaps each application item should be a drupal "node", that would give us drupal's tagging (taxonomy) "for free"
[12:07] <ogra-classmate> pips1: you need a lot of backend code i.e. apt integration .... we have python modules for these already while you need to write something for php first
[12:08] <pips1> Benefit 3: User authentication would be integrated with drupal, i.e. someone who signed up as a drupal site contributor will be able to contribute to the applications database, and we could leverage drupals permission management to even have rights for adding items / writing reviews / commenting / rating...
[12:08] <ogra-classmate> php/drupal will be a lot easier for the frontend integration etc, but there will be a good amount of backend to write
[12:08] <pips1> willvdl: oh, by "application item" I mean, the description (metadata) of an edu application
[12:09] <willvdl> BEnefit 3: can we integrate with LP account?
[12:10] <LaserJock> well, for the frontend all we need is a form page and some display pages right?
[12:10] <LaserJock> so we can have drupal pages that GET/POST to a python engine
[12:10] <LaserJock> or am I wrong?
[12:10] <pips1> willvdl: about LP account integration, I asked the same question to RichEd when we dicussed the community site, but he said that we shouldn't get bogged down by this...
[12:10] <ogra-classmate> anyway, bedtime for me, if there is anwhere i can help with and i dont need to learn  php for it, just let me know :)
[12:10] <ogra-classmate> LaserJock: right
[12:11] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: I'll be sending you a debdiff for gcompris and if you can do that and the tuxpaint debdiff I'd appreciate it
[12:11] <LaserJock> I already got dholbach to sponsor a merge
[12:11] <ogra-classmate> is there anything left in gcompris >
[12:11] <ogra-classmate> ?
[12:11] <LaserJock> to keep?
[12:11] <HedgeMage> Somebody hilight me?
[12:11] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, nighty
[12:11] <ogra-classmate> yeah
[12:12] <ogra-classmate> i think we can just sync
[12:12] <LaserJock> well, I'll have to check but I think we still are removing some sounds
[12:12] <HedgeMage> whyfor what's up and all that stuff?
[12:12] <ogra-classmate> debian should use a recent python now
[12:12] <HedgeMage> willvdl, pips1: ping
[12:12] <willvdl> pips1 single-signon will be important only really if we require submissions from registered accounts
[12:12] <ogra-classmate> the sound removal was due to the space issues
[12:12] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: and those aren't a problem anymore?
[12:12] <willvdl> but for maintenance of the queues would be by devs anyway
[12:12] <willvdl> HedgeMage, howdi
[12:12] <pips1> Drawback 1: If we use drupal's form API, that is already known to change for drupal 6, so yes, the code would need to be adjusted once we would switch to drupal 6
[12:12] <ogra-classmate> i'm fine with getting some mb back for not having to maintain gcompris
[12:13] <HedgeMage> hi willvdl, did you and pips1 need me for something?
[12:13] <ogra-classmate> we have the space
[12:13] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: ok, so if the sound thing is all that is left I'll do a sync-request bug
[12:13] <pips1> HedgeMage: hi there
[12:13] <HedgeMage> hi pips1
[12:13] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[12:13] <willvdl> HedgeMage, we're discussing the implementation of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-application-review
[12:14] <ogra-classmate> LaserJock: sound removal and python version were our only changes afaik
[12:14] <pips1> we were discussing who and how ... ah, willvdl beat me to it :-)
[12:14] <willvdl> which is essentially a database with some kind of webfrontend where we can vet apps (like winehq)
[12:14] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: there was a 64bit correction, but I think that was done upstream as well
[12:14] <willvdl> and pass them into a process queue to help the MOTUs, ogra and anyone reviewing for main or CDs
[12:15] <willvdl> so...drupal vs python cgi
[12:15] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: "Fix build failure on 64bit archs with python2.5"
[12:15] <ogra-classmate> if we can anyhow make it possible to not have to maintain gcompris separately that would really rock
[12:15] <LaserJock> I think we don't
[12:15] <LaserJock> I just need to verify
[12:15] <ogra-classmate> that should be in debian already
[12:15] <ogra-classmate> but i'm not sure
[12:16] <LaserJock> because I saw in the Debian changelog it looked like to cherrypicked a fix from upstream
[12:16] <LaserJock> I just need to check because MoM had a conflict on that file
[12:16] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: I'll email you either way ;-)
[12:16] <HedgeMage> willvdl, pips1 Everything you need to do that already exists in Drupal (with a couple of contrib modules) -- I think I saw you two mention single signon though and if you mean the module by that name rather than just the concept, I'd say go about it differently
[12:16] <ogra-classmate> great
[12:17] <ogra-classmate> its a bit odd, the classmate stuff keeps me on feisty
[12:17] <ogra-classmate> i havent seen much gutsy yet
[12:17] <willvdl> HedgeMage, the sign-on thing is probably moot
[12:17] <HedgeMage> Since Drupal allows pluggable authentication schemes, and so much *buntu stuff uses Drupal, has anyone contemplated writing a Drupal module to allow authentication via Launchpad?
[12:17] <HedgeMage> willvdl: oh, how come?