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| Jucato | :) | 01:10 |
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| yuriy | :( | 01:11 |
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| ryanakca | is there a way to disable KDE4? It seems to have mingled with my stable KDE install... | 01:21 |
| ryanakca | and I have composite running in KDE 3.5.6 | 01:21 |
| ryanakca | which then leads to random crashes :S | 01:22 |
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| rbrunhuber_ | ryanakca: dumb question can't you just try to purge the packages? | 01:23 |
| Jucato | I wonder how it is mingling with KDE 3? they're supposed to be on different dirs... | 01:24 |
| rbrunhuber_ | Jucato: But they bring in a lot of new libs called kde5 or so?! | 01:25 |
| rbrunhuber_ | Jucato: Maybe thats the problem | 01:25 |
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| bobesponja | hey | 01:26 |
| Jucato | rbrunhuber_: yeah, but they're supposed to be installed on different paths, hence the need for export commands to run KDE 4... at least afaik | 01:26 |
| bobesponja | do you plan to release kdevelop 3.4.1 packages? | 01:26 |
| bobesponja | I can't see them in the kde 3.5.7 update :( | 01:27 |
| Jucato | not yet included in 3.5.7 packages. not sure when it will be made available... | 01:27 |
| rbrunhuber_ | Jucato: You are right kde4: /usr/lib/kde4/lib kde3: /usr/lib/kde3 | 01:27 |
| Jucato | I'm more inclined to blame compositing than KDE 4 :) | 01:28 |
| bobesponja | Jucato: ok thanx | 01:29 |
| rbrunhuber_ | Jucato: Compositing is always uncertainty factor | 01:29 |
| rbrunhuber_ | Jucato: Are you a (k)ubuntu developer? | 01:30 |
| Jucato | no (not yet... :P) | 01:30 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: yeah | 01:31 |
| === Jucato finally gets the courage to install kde4 as well... | ||
| === Jucato crosses fingers | ||
| Jucato | ironically, I'm more confident compiling KDE 4 :/ | 01:32 |
| ryanakca | rbrunhuber_: they're supposed to be two sepperate things... but it looks like they aren't... they've mingled. And I'm afraid that removing KDE4 migh take out some parts of 3.5.6 as well | 01:32 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: you aren't a member yet? | 01:33 |
| Jucato | ryanakca: better poke Riddell (or nixternal) about that if they suddenly mingled | 01:33 |
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| Jucato | I'm a member, but not a dev :) | 01:33 |
| === ryanakca wonders when Jucato will go for main | ||
| === Jucato wonders when he'll have time to study packaging... :( | ||
| Jucato | s/study/learn | 01:34 |
| Jucato | I had to put off my MOTU dreams for a while in order to focus on my C++/Qt/KDE plans for world domination :D | 01:34 |
| === ryanakca plans on MOTU this summer... but for that I need a holiday to package a pile of apps! | ||
| ryanakca | ah | 01:34 |
| rbrunhuber_ | Jucato: crossing my fingers for you too :-) | 01:34 |
| claydoh | is it just me or did Adept loose the Manage Repositories applet and revert back to the original style? | 01:35 |
| Jucato | claydoh: we seem to be getting a lot of that lately. install software-properties-kde | 01:35 |
| claydoh | sweet | 01:35 |
| claydoh | thanks Jucato | 01:35 |
| Jucato | np :) | 01:36 |
| Jucato | 3rd time I've heard of the problem this day | 01:36 |
| === ryanakca really should start using adept... but apt-get is so much faster :) | ||
| ryanakca | hmmm | 01:36 |
| Jucato | hehe | 01:36 |
| ryanakca | file a bug? | 01:36 |
| === Jucato is only using Adept for user support and testing purposes :) | ||
| claydoh | could be a 3.5.7 issue | 01:37 |
| ryanakca | just hit F12, yakuake pops down, "sudo apt-get install foobar" and all done :) | 01:37 |
| claydoh | I use it about 25%, 25% synaptic, 50% apt | 01:37 |
| Jucato | hehe | 01:37 |
| Jucato | bash_aliases ftw! | 01:38 |
| rbrunhuber_ | I'm using synaptic most time. Adept and friends is too unintuitive (<- if this word exists :-)) | 01:38 |
| Jucato | rbrunhuber_: it does exist. (at least for adept :P) | 01:38 |
| Jucato | nah adept is getting better | 01:38 |
| claydoh | adept is much better than it used to be | 01:38 |
| Jucato | the new software-properties/manage repositories is one step in the right direction imho | 01:38 |
| rbrunhuber_ | i'm missing progress on adept because after i entered ad in run dialog mostly i delete it and use synaptic | 01:39 |
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| Jucato | tsk tsk :) | 01:39 |
| ryanakca | hmmm... | 01:40 |
| === ryanakca repetedly pokes elmo... | ||
| rbrunhuber_ | adept_manager is so hard to type :-) | 01:41 |
| Jucato | lol! that's what Katapult is for :) | 01:41 |
| rbrunhuber_ | katapult is cool until you installed konquest :-) | 01:42 |
| ryanakca | He seems to refuse responding to me :-/ Filed an RT a month and half ago, sent him an email after 3 weeks and 5, try getting a hold of him on irc... hmmm! | 01:42 |
| ryanakca | lol | 01:42 |
| Jucato | he's just hiding :) | 01:42 |
| === Jucato researches on konquest | ||
| === Jucato tries to comprehend how that compares to katapult... :/ | ||
| ryanakca | space game, isn't it? | 01:43 |
| rbrunhuber_ | Jucato: konquest just gets you in the way if you want to start konqueror | 01:43 |
| Jucato | aaaaaah | 01:43 |
| === Jucato has Win+K for that :) | ||
| rbrunhuber_ | Jucato: Nice idea! | 01:44 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: yeah... in the Canonical office of DOOM with a pile of coffee and doughnuts | 01:44 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 01:44 |
| rbrunhuber_ | ryanakca: didn't get that | 01:45 |
| Jucato | oooh I see that kde4 packages will remove apport, language selector, and kubuntu-desktop. nice :) | 01:45 |
| ryanakca | elmo hiding | 01:45 |
| Jucato | ryanakca: ok, I'll be blunt. he obviously doesn't want to talk to you :P | 01:46 |
| ryanakca | too many powerful and important people in there :) | 01:46 |
| ryanakca | lol | 01:46 |
| === ryanakca gets a plane ticket to the UK and hunts him out | ||
| ryanakca | hmmm | 01:46 |
| rbrunhuber_ | ryanakca: don't hit him too hard if you still need him | 01:47 |
| yuriy | i also still haven't installed kde4 because it seems to conflict with some stuff i don't want removed | 01:47 |
| Jucato | rbrunhuber_: ryanakca will just probably gag and tie him up and bring him back home :) | 01:47 |
| ryanakca | lol | 01:48 |
| Jucato | btw, has anyone seen the UDS video? just wondering who was the young kid there? | 01:48 |
| Jucato | (UDS music video, I mean) | 01:49 |
| ryanakca | I saw it... and no clue | 01:49 |
| Jucato | hehe. just amazed. so young yet so geeky :) | 01:49 |
| ryanakca | probably... hmmm... jpatrick? | 01:49 |
| ryanakca | lol | 01:49 |
| Jucato | heh I'd be surprised if it were jpatrick | 01:50 |
| Jucato | (haven't seen him in a while...) | 01:50 |
| ryanakca | why? his school is somewheres in spain | 01:50 |
| ryanakca | ah | 01:50 |
| === ryanakca wonders if there will ever be a UDS in his part of the world | ||
| Jucato | which part specifically? | 01:51 |
| ryanakca | and... during summer holidays... | 01:51 |
| Jucato | (I'm sure there won't be one in my part...) | 01:51 |
| ryanakca | I doubt my parents would let me get away on a school week | 01:51 |
| ryanakca | Ontario, Canada | 01:51 |
| Jucato | aaah... | 01:51 |
| ajmitch | ryanakca: boston, november? | 01:52 |
| ryanakca | they have a Canonical office in montreal, 5 hours away... I could go to one there... or Toronto, 3 hrs... | 01:52 |
| ryanakca | oooh :{ | 01:52 |
| ryanakca | :) | 01:52 |
| ryanakca | that's a possibility | 01:52 |
| ajmitch | already had one in montreal, 18 months ago | 01:52 |
| Jucato | :} | 01:52 |
| ryanakca | ah | 01:52 |
| Jucato | :3 | 01:52 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: dvorak keyboard... { is right smack next to ) :) | 01:53 |
| ajmitch | young kid at UDS? I'm guessing you mean racarr, a beryl person | 01:53 |
| ryanakca | wow | 01:53 |
| Jucato | wow | 01:53 |
| ajmitch | wow? | 01:54 |
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| ryanakca | beryl isn't really just a bash script... or a hello world | 01:54 |
| === ryanakca gaps in awe | ||
| ajmitch | no, it's not | 01:54 |
| === ajmitch doesn't understand the stupified amazement | ||
| Jucato | let me rephrase that... "so young, yet so overly geeky already" :D | 01:55 |
| Jucato | ajmitch: I'm always amazed at young devs, being not-so-young-anymore-in-a-few-months myself... :/ | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | what, you'll be 20? :) | 01:55 |
| === ajmitch isn't particularly amazed at young developers these days | ||
| ajmitch | though I wouldn't have been going to UDS or similar at that age | 01:56 |
| ryanakca | lol | 01:56 |
| Jucato | wrong decisions in careers/colleges... I would probably have been a dev too by now if not for those... :P | 01:56 |
| ajmitch | then start now, stop regretting decisions | 01:56 |
| Riddell | robertcarr was the 15 year old at UDS, he does beryl | 01:56 |
| ryanakca | ah, Riddell :) | 01:57 |
| Jucato | :) | 01:57 |
| ajmitch | hello Riddell | 01:57 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: is KDE4 supposed to mingle with 3.5.6? | 01:57 |
| Riddell | no | 01:57 |
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| Riddell | well, not much | 01:57 |
| ryanakca | I have composite running in default KDE :S | 01:57 |
| ryanakca | and my KDE is crashing every couple of hours... how to fix? would purging it mess up 3.5.6? | 01:58 |
| Jucato | ah great! net hiccup :( | 01:58 |
| Jucato | oh moin Riddell :) | 01:58 |
| Riddell | turn off composite? | 01:58 |
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| Jucato | Riddell: 3 instances of software-properties-kde not being installed. one was from a dist-upgrade to Feisty. forgot to ask claydoh's setup. just reporting :) | 01:59 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: sorry for my ignorance... but where? | 02:00 |
| Jucato | ah ok... software-propriest-kde is going to be removed by installing kde4. might be a cause? | 02:00 |
| Jucato | ryanakca: kde's composite (kompmgr)? System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Translucency tab | 02:00 |
| claydoh | Jucato: mostly stock feisty, kde 3.5.7, | 02:01 |
| Riddell | Jucato: I've added a note at the bottom of the 3.5.7 page to clarify that | 02:02 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: I've no idea, I've never used composite | 02:02 |
| claydoh | and kde4 alpha packages | 02:02 |
| Riddell | presumably the opposite of how you turned it on | 02:02 |
| Jucato | claydoh: ah I see. kde4 is going to remove mine too | 02:02 |
| Jucato | Riddell: ah cool. I'll just tell the next batch of people who ask :) | 02:03 |
| claydoh | all fixed now | 02:03 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: ahahaha! Thanks! I thought it was some kind of KDE4 default :D | 02:03 |
| === Riddell beds | ||
| Jucato | night Riddell! :) | 02:04 |
| ryanakca | night Riddell | 02:04 |
| Jucato | (sweet dreams) | 02:04 |
| rbrunhuber_ | ...are made in heaven? | 02:04 |
| Jucato | your ghost just left :) | 02:05 |
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| Hobbsee | morning all | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | did anyone fix kdepim while i was away? | 02:17 |
| Riddell | it was broken? | 02:26 |
| ryanakca | hey Hobbsee and good morning Riddell, sleep well? :) | 02:27 |
| Riddell | mm, failed to compile | 02:27 |
| Riddell | oh yes, sleep, night all | 02:28 |
| Hobbsee | hi ryanakca | 02:28 |
| ryanakca | lol | 02:28 |
| === Hobbsee was having trouble with that pbuilder setup anyway, so wouldnt surprise me so much | ||
| Hobbsee | once i'd exited out fo the pbuilder, i couldnt actually access the source dir at all | 02:28 |
| === Hobbsee wishes she still had root on imbrandon's machine | ||
| bobesponja | I'm building kdevelop 3.4.1 if anyone is interested | 02:29 |
| mschiff | Hi Riddell , is there a problem with the new kitchensync? I wondered because te package seems missing in the repo... | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | mschiff: it's changed a lot. which repo? | 02:30 |
| mschiff | feisty 3.5.7 on kubuntu.org for example | 02:31 |
| mschiff | I wanted to test the new kitchensync which now uses opensync... | 02:31 |
| ryanakca | is bug 115877 safe to reject? | 02:32 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 115877 in kdebase "A lot of programs can't be started" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115877 | 02:32 |
| mschiff | Hobbsee: any clue? | 02:33 |
| Hobbsee | mschiff: you'd have to ask for Riddell | 02:33 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: yes, please do | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: you can pretty much reject it at the sight of automatix,too | 02:34 |
| ryanakca | kk | 02:35 |
| mschiff | Hobbsee: k thx | 02:35 |
| mschiff | ping Riddell | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | [10:28] <Riddell> oh yes, sleep, night all | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | mschiff: wouldnt be surprised if he's removed it, just because its' broken | 02:35 |
| mschiff | Hobbsee: you know its broken? | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | i had lots of fun with it in gutsy yesterday, with the 3.5.7 packages | 02:36 |
| mschiff | ok, so I will try to ask hom tomorrow, n8 all, n8 Hobbsee | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | night | 02:37 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: would bug 112781 be caused by running an app as root with sudo instead of kdesu? or would that only mess up the ~/.ICEauthority ? | 02:39 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 112781 in kdebase ".kde directory owned by root, problems running kde apps on gnome system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112781 | 02:39 |
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| Hobbsee | ryanakca: no, that'd be done by sudo as well | 02:40 |
| ryanakca | ? | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: sorry. that'd be caused by running kde as sudo startx | 02:41 |
| === rbrunhuber_ has doubled again. go away rbrunhuber... | ||
| ryanakca | ah. | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: 1 & 2 relates to the using kde as root. 3 is because plugins isnt a dep of kdevelop, as not everyone needs all the plugins | 02:42 |
| ryanakca | So... I guess it's confirmed, based on all the forum reports? | 02:43 |
| === Hobbsee didnt look at the forum reports | ||
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| Hobbsee | i'd write back, and say "did you at any point log into kde as root, or use sudo startx to start kde. | 02:43 |
| === ryanakca thinks he'll edit the bug, remove 3 since it's a user error... | ||
| Hobbsee | if he did, say it's unsupported, and reject it. | 02:44 |
| ryanakca | kk | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | if you force a different owner for something using a set of config files, yes, the ownership of the config files *will* change. | 02:44 |
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| === Hobbsee mumbles about being bitten about that yesterday, on a system she doesnt have root on | ||
| ryanakca | hehe | 02:45 |
| ryanakca | fun :) | 02:45 |
| ryanakca | hmmm... so the plugins are in what package? kde-devel-extras ? | 02:45 |
| Jucato | moin Hobbsee! just saw your reply to the devel ML. the KHTML patch wil be available soon? | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: went into gutsy this morning | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | i'd assume it's in the feisty packages too, assuming riddell merged correctly | 02:46 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: ah ok... just have to wait for the updates then :) | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: i'd say so | 02:46 |
| Jucato | (hopefully together with kdevelop 3.4.1?) | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | someone else is building that, i believe | 02:46 |
| === Jucato notes that Kubuntu looks extra sweet on an LCD monitor :) | ||
| Hobbsee | because after i install kde applications on gnome created .kde folder in home directory is owned by root. Moreover no other permissions are given to neither groups | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | is interesting | 02:48 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: did you install kde4 alpha (from kubuntu.org)? is it ok for some packages to be removed? | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | i havent, and yes, i think so | 02:49 |
| Jucato | ah ok. | 02:49 |
| Jucato | going ahead then :) | 02:50 |
| === Hobbsee wonders why kdepim was uploaded anyway, seeing as i'd said it was broken | ||
| rbrunhuber_ | Hobbsee: kdepim (3.5.7) works like a charm here. What are the bugs reported? | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: no idea what happened to the kdegames changelog - but i know why for the .install files (yay, no root on the machine i was building) | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | rbrunhuber_: doesnt build | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | on gutsy | 03:07 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: btw, nice pool pic :) | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 03:08 |
| === Hobbsee looks like a drowned water rat. | ||
| Jucato | lol | 03:08 |
| Jucato | nice imagery :) | 03:08 |
| rbrunhuber_ | Hobbsee: I'm waiting desperate(ly) for kde 3.5.7 for gutsy. | 03:08 |
| rbrunhuber_ | Hobbsee: It's said that there a beatyful drowned water rats :-) | 03:09 |
| crimsun | it's building ATM. | 03:09 |
| crimsun | kdebase | 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | rbrunhuber_: heh | 03:10 |
| === ScottK if curious to know if kmail IMAP finally doesn't completely suck. | ||
| Hobbsee | ScottK: it should do | 03:11 |
| ScottK | OK. That'll be interesting to look at then. | 03:11 |
| rbrunhuber_ | ScottK: disconnected imap sucks a bit less now. | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | bah. i know why kdelibs broke, then. | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | annoying pbuilder | 03:12 |
| === ScottK would be thrilled just to have connected IMAP work with UW IMAP (which has it's own challenges). | ||
| Hobbsee | and annoying incompetence | 03:12 |
| === rbrunhuber_ is a happy cyrus on ubuntu edgy server user. | ||
| rbrunhuber_ | ScottK: I'm curious when kmail /kontact has no more real annoying bugs. It has the most fixed bugs in every changelog since long time. | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | rbrunhuber_: if you're interested in kdepim, please go thru the buglist, find dupes, and report lots upstream | 03:18 |
| === ScottK finds kmail very useful on a day to day basis (it's my primary MUA), but IMAP I've never had any luck with. | ||
| ScottK | My MX is hosted, so I get what the provider runs... | 03:19 |
| === Hobbsee contemplates closing all of the crash bugs, and saying "please try again with 3.5.7 | ||
| rbrunhuber_ | ScottK: Me too, i even pay for my mailaddress but I have a server at home now, picking up the mails from there and mxing them myself. | 03:22 |
| rbrunhuber_ | ScottK: Adds a lot of features too, imap idle, server side filtering, etc... | 03:23 |
| === ScottK runs a mail service and so since all tech support is via e-mail, it seems reasonable not to have my MX on my servers (e-mail if the service is down, but if the service is down I can't get your email)... | ||
| ScottK | My provider has pretty extensive server side filtering. I'm pretty happy. | 03:24 |
| rbrunhuber_ | Hobbsee: I'd like to do some triaging (and my karma needs some doping too) but too less time... | 03:26 |
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| DaSkreech | Riddell or Hobbsee: Ping | 03:26 |
| Jucato | heh my karma hasn't risen in a while :) | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: pong | 03:26 |
| DaSkreech | Evil wins? | 03:26 |
| rbrunhuber_ | Jucato: Thats the problem it does not just not rise it falls. | 03:26 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt care about karma | ||
| Jucato | IRC support doesn't count I guess :) | 03:26 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: Found a mistake on the live Cd | 03:27 |
| === Hobbsee does like being on the top 10 contributor list occasionally, though | ||
| Hobbsee | oh? which one? | 03:27 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: how about the *real* karma heheh | 03:27 |
| DaSkreech | disctree/en/kubuntu.html | 03:27 |
| DaSkreech | says that the latest kubuntu ships with kde 3.4 | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | hooray | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: pleasefix. | 03:27 |
| Jucato | lol | 03:28 |
| nixternal | huh? | 03:28 |
| rbrunhuber_ | should be the outher way round 4.3 :-) | 03:28 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech is going to fix it :) | 03:28 |
| Jucato | <nixternal> DaSkreech: I have no clue actually..get with Riddell on that one...maybe Hobbsee knows -devel | 03:28 |
| Jucato | (passing the buck++) :D | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 03:28 |
| === DaSkreech shovels up nixternal 's karma | ||
| === Hobbsee just got pinged | ||
| DaSkreech | where would I find that file? | 03:29 |
| === Jucato gets back to his sequence diagrams... | ||
| DaSkreech | seele: Whoot :-) | 03:48 |
| DaSkreech | No one knows where the files for the Live Cd are? | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | there are lots on them | 03:49 |
| DaSkreech | well the HTML files in disctree folder | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | did you check packages.ubuntu.com? | 03:49 |
| DaSkreech | Duh :) | 03:49 |
| DaSkreech | I'm not sure why they would be on packages though. You can't apt-get them | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | depends if you know the package name | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | it's gotta come from somewhere | 03:52 |
| DaSkreech | Nope | 03:53 |
| DaSkreech | It's never installed | 03:53 |
| DaSkreech | it's only ever used when the cd is used as the opencd on Windows | 03:53 |
| DaSkreech | If you boot up windows and put in the cd it pops up a kmeleon interface. If you click on the kubuntu name it gives you a readme | 03:56 |
| DaSkreech | That readme says that it ships with KDE 3.4 | 03:57 |
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| seele | DaSkreech: hmm? | 04:00 |
| DaSkreech | Just saw the Munich news | 04:01 |
| DaSkreech | high usabilty. credited to use of KDE 3 :-D | 04:01 |
| seele | ah. hmm.. yeah. i dont know how i feel about that | 04:02 |
| seele | but i'll ride the PR wave :) | 04:02 |
| DaSkreech | ha ha So the reaction I expected from you :) | 04:02 |
| seele | i dont beleive usability can be "certified", so i dont hold much stock in it | 04:02 |
| DaSkreech | It's a yes/no certification? | 04:03 |
| seele | but lots of people will see it and it will be a +1 for KDE , so i agree with the Whoot | 04:03 |
| seele | i have no idea | 04:03 |
| seele | they said it was based off of an ISO standard, two parts have to do with software usability, the other parts have to do with workplace human factors and ergonomics | 04:03 |
| DaSkreech | I just assumed that it was a bin usabilty | 04:03 |
| DaSkreech | like the top most usable | 04:04 |
| DaSkreech | not as in Yes this is usable no Vista isn't | 04:04 |
| seele | i think its a pass/fail, you are either certified by this company or you are not | 04:04 |
| DaSkreech | That is kinda silly :) | 04:04 |
| seele | what makes it funny is that the complete ISO standard isnt open, you have to pay for it, hehe | 04:05 |
| DaSkreech | Of course :) | 04:05 |
| seele | so unless you have a copy of it, you really have no idea what it entails other than the public summaries which are available | 04:05 |
| === seele shrugs | ||
| seele | dont mean to be a downer about it tho | 04:05 |
| seele | i think i gave some people that impression today | 04:05 |
| DaSkreech | Naw I'm looking at KDE4 with HIG guildelines :) | 04:06 |
| DaSkreech | That should be fun | 04:06 |
| === DaSkreech has words for Gnome but won't air | ||
| seele | there are two checklists out | 04:06 |
| seele | speaking of usability, i have a kubuntu report i never finished | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | LOCK kdeedu | 04:06 |
| seele | i tested the installation process before fiesty was released | 04:06 |
| DaSkreech | I recall you doing that | 04:07 |
| seele | yeah, i just havent gotten around to writing a report and posting it yet | 04:07 |
| seele | i just finished finals and am in the middle of working on my thesis, so it got put on the back burner | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | hmm.. this is kidna broken | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | come on kdebase... | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | yay, kdebase published, so kate wont keep breaking | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | hopefully | 04:25 |
| DaSkreech | :-) | 04:31 |
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| DaSkreech | re Hobbsee | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | hiya | 04:42 |
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| DaSkreech | How is it going? | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | well, pbuilder's a bit quirky when you login to it, etc, and i stuffed that up a bit | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | kdepim is just a horror, and hasnt built | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | so i'm ignoring it for a bit | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | kitchensync is a problem | 05:27 |
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| Hobbsee | LOCK kdemultimedia | 05:39 |
| DaSkreech | night | 05:44 |
| Hobbsee | night! | 05:44 |
| Jucato | day! :) | 05:48 |
| Hobbsee | kdeedu done | 05:48 |
| === Jucato bows down to the great Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | :) | 05:49 |
| Hobbsee | dunno abou tthat | 05:49 |
| === Hobbsee builds kdemultimedia | ||
| Jucato | Hobbsee: when are you going to build the world? :D | 05:54 |
| Jucato | can I be in it :) | 05:55 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: sure | 05:55 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: when i think brandon's machine will take it... | 05:55 |
| === Hobbsee ponders which to build next | ||
| Hobbsee | Jucato: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/docs/people.html | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: does that count as the world? | 05:57 |
| === Hobbsee has done arts, libs, kdemultimedia (currently building), games,, pim (doesnt build yet), edu | ||
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| Jucato | Hobbsee: very much :) | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | right | 05:58 |
| === Hobbsee ponders building all of this for dapper | ||
| Jucato | lunch!!! :) | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | hm? | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | IMPRESSIVE. | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | root@aurora:/home/hobbsee/kdepim# chown -R hobbsee.hobbsee * | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | chown: `hobbsee.hobbsee': invalid user | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | so i cant actually access those files again *at all* | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | wait. | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: what did you do now? | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: fighting with pbuilder. which is especially fun, as i don thave root on tha tmachine | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: if this is on imbrandon's box, individual users don't have groups | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | what are you fighting? | 06:11 |
| Hobbsee | kdepim, at the moment | 06:12 |
| Hobbsee | true | 06:12 |
| Hobbsee | it's hobbsee.ubuntudev, it's been pointed out | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | you said you were fighting pbuilder - what's the problem? | 06:12 |
| Hobbsee | i think i've stopped fighting it | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | ok | 06:12 |
| === ajmitch has root if you need stuff fixed | ||
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: if youc ould delete /home/hobbsee/delete, that'd be good | 06:14 |
| ajmitch | k | 06:14 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as i cant rm files owned by root :) | 06:14 |
| Hobbsee | and am not logged into a pbuilder to try to chown them | 06:14 |
| ajmitch | you have a large junk pile? | 06:14 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 06:14 |
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| ajmitch | only 5.4GB | 06:16 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 06:16 |
| Hobbsee | not much at all | 06:16 |
| ajmitch | deleted | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | thanks | 06:19 |
| Hobbsee | kdemultimedia done | 06:25 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: wasn't that supposed to be hobbsee:hobbsee? | 06:42 |
| Hobbsee | no | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | the group isnt hobbsee | 06:43 |
| Jucato | ah | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | it's brandon's machine | 06:43 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt use hobbsee on her own machines | ||
| Jucato | heheh :) | 06:43 |
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| Jucato | you will probably have all of kde built by the end of the day? :) | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | heh, no | 07:09 |
| Hobbsee | actually, i'll grab marselli's patch too | 07:09 |
| Hobbsee | on second thoughts, if it's that buggy currently... | 07:10 |
| === Hobbsee will wait for a while | ||
| Jucato | :) | 07:11 |
| === Hobbsee ponders the enxt one | ||
| Hobbsee | kdetoys? | 07:19 |
| Hobbsee | !responses | 07:25 |
| ubotu | response is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses | 07:25 |
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| Jucato | hm.. my kdelibs5 download keeps on timing out... :/ | 08:12 |
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| _marseillais | hello | 08:33 |
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| Hobbsee | yay, _marseillais | 08:44 |
| _marseillais | Hobbsee, hi | 08:45 |
| _marseillais | i've send you a debdiff yesterday | 08:46 |
| _marseillais | it works fine | 08:46 |
| _marseillais | but there are several bug upstream | 08:46 |
| _marseillais | so i've report it and 'ill try to take a look | 08:47 |
| _marseillais | it's bug with xml edition | 08:47 |
| _marseillais | but if it works this apps is really fine | 08:47 |
| Hobbsee | _marseillais: ah yes, i saw that | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | _marseillais: did you awnt to get it a bit more stable, then put it in? | 08:48 |
| _marseillais | yes | 08:49 |
| Hobbsee | right, OK | 08:49 |
| _marseillais | because currently there are two bug : first editing shortcut for emoticon doesn't work but it's not a big problem and second removing an emoticon from theme remove several other! and that is a problem | 08:50 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 08:50 |
| Hobbsee | fair enough | 08:50 |
| _marseillais | but i try yesterday and was not able to see the bug! :( | 08:52 |
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| \sh | Riddell: dude, how can someone configure more then one panels on more then one screen in kde...this doesn't work...I only can change the appearance of the main panel not newly created ones | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | hi \sh | 10:12 |
| \sh | moins btw :) | 10:12 |
| freeflying | Riddell: If we want to improve the usability of skim in gutsy, we shall do somthing with scim, likde repackage and aptch scim, now we have two usenless relate to scim,like scim-helper-manager | 10:13 |
| freeflying | s/useless/useless processes | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | right. kdetoys done, kdenetwork failed to build, and kdepim is just stuffed | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | (it fails in the kitchensync stuff) | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: please *dont* upload a copy of kdepim that's broken, on that basis. | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | it now has a file saying "this is broken" | 10:17 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: what's broken in kdepim? any build logs? :) | 10:22 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: i dont think pbuilder logs by default? | 10:22 |
| Hobbsee | but it says it cant find /usr/bin/kitchensync - no such file or directory in dhkdepim-dev install | 10:22 |
| Hobbsee | thing | 10:22 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: no...pbuilder build --logfile <file> <.dsc file> or pbuilder build <.dsc file> | tee <logfile> | 10:23 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 10:23 |
| Hobbsee | will do next time | 10:23 |
| Hobbsee | appraently there are no kitchensync binaries in the feisty version, which are done | 10:23 |
| Hobbsee | so it may just be permanently busted | 10:23 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: you can try to compile it via dpkg-buildpackage in a chroot and check if the kitchsync app is there in debian/<where the destdir install is>/usr/bin/ | 10:24 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: why don't we build kitchensync...any reasons? | 10:25 |
| === \sh will restart kde session now, after updating ;) | ||
| \sh | brb | 10:25 |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| Hobbsee | \sh_away: it's changed a lot this versoin | 10:26 |
| Hobbsee | i havent debugged it terribly far yet | 10:26 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: how can /usr/bin/kitchensync stands in kdepim-dev? | 10:43 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: i dont remember - i've done a few of the others since then. sources are at hobbsee.ubuntuwire.com/kdenetwork/ | 10:43 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: your dir can not be index? | 10:45 |
| freeflying | 404 - Not Found | 10:45 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: http://hobbsee.ubuntuwire.com/kdepim/ | 10:53 |
| Hobbsee | er, sorry | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | kdepim, not kdenetwork | 10:54 |
| === Hobbsee has been doing network most recently. | ||
| freeflying | Hobbsee: build again? | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: sorry? | 10:55 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: are you building kde-pim now once again? | 10:55 |
| Hobbsee | no, i havent done | 10:55 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: kdenetwork done | 10:56 |
| Riddell | groovy | 10:57 |
| Riddell | done as in compiles and works? | 10:57 |
| Hobbsee | seems to | 10:58 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: the ones there, excluding kdepim, are all done | 10:59 |
| === Jucato is a bit confused where okular is | ||
| Hobbsee | there's still graphics, admin, office, i18n, and everything below that left to do. | 10:59 |
| === Hobbsee will probably do admin next | ||
| === Hobbsee hopes someone else will take i18n | ||
| Riddell | somebody with more bandwidth than you :) | 11:00 |
| Jucato | oh we have kde4 packages in feisty universe? | 11:00 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: why didnt your feisty version of 3.5.7 contain kitchensync | 11:00 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, well. that is being a bitch. i've got ways and means around it though | 11:00 |
| Hobbsee | ie, i work locally, and transfer the diff.gz/dsc to brandon's machine, redownload the tarball to there, and change the md5sum... | 11:01 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: because it didn't compile. the feisty packages were very quickly made | 11:01 |
| Hobbsee | because taking 40 mins to copy over a 15mb tarball is annoying | 11:01 |
| Hobbsee | right/ | 11:01 |
| Hobbsee | (so i was right in guessing that, yay) | 11:01 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: it was more "somebody who actually uses the localisations" | 11:02 |
| === Hobbsee got proposed to the TB for core, btw | ||
| gnomefreak | congrats Hobbsee | 11:06 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: btw, it's 2 years in a month or so, i believe | 11:06 |
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| Hobbsee | (@ your sounder post) | 11:06 |
| Riddell | nixternal: where's that spec you did for kubuntu gutsy docs? | 11:11 |
| === Riddell finds https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDocs/Gutsy/ | ||
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| Tonio_ | yo | 11:47 |
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| Riddell | re-sault | 11:49 |
| cewanf | hey guys, I found something missing in the kubuntu version of KDE 3.5.7 that was there in KDE 3.5.6. Anyone interesting in discussing it? | 11:50 |
| cewanf | interested... | 11:50 |
| Hobbsee | cewanf: what is it? | 11:51 |
| cewanf | Under System Settings -> Keyboard and Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Global shortcuts, there was a couple of options for moving windows to next screen, and changing focus to next screen, this has disappeared in KDE 3.5.7 | 11:52 |
| cewanf | The Kubuntu version of KDE 3.5.6 had these options, but others, for instance the Gentoo version did not. This is actually a patch to Xinerama: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/xinerama/ | 11:53 |
| cewanf | So I suppose the Kubuntu team patched kde 3.5.6 before releasing the packages | 11:53 |
| Riddell | yes, that patch was removed for the feisty packages | 11:53 |
| Riddell | of 3.5.7 | 11:53 |
| cewanf | why was it removed? | 11:53 |
| Riddell | it needed to be updated and I had no time to do so | 11:54 |
| cewanf | ouch, I am using these features all the time in my work :-( | 11:54 |
| cewanf | I have talked with others that miss this feature as well | 11:55 |
| cewanf | if you are running a dual screen setup it's a great feature | 11:55 |
| Riddell | they're back in gutsy | 11:55 |
| cewanf | hehe, so you are telling me to wait half a year? ;-) | 11:55 |
| Riddell | or downgrade to 3.5.6 | 11:56 |
| Riddell | or compile it yourself | 11:56 |
| cewanf | actually, it was not removed in feisty, since it worked for me until I upgraded to 3.5.7 yesterday | 11:56 |
| cewanf | ah, you mean 3.5.7 feisty packages | 11:56 |
| Riddell | I know, it was removed in the feisty 3.5.7 packages | 11:56 |
| cewanf | hehe, okey | 11:56 |
| cewanf | wish I knew how to compile it myself, is it a lot of work? | 11:57 |
| Riddell | only for your computer | 11:57 |
| cewanf | haha | 11:57 |
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| cewanf | do you have any guidelines on how to do it? | 11:58 |
| \sh | Riddell: is it safe to update to gutsy right now? ,-) | 11:59 |
| Jucato_ | ugh! netsplit... didn't see the answer to cewanf's question :( | 11:59 |
| Riddell | \sh: I've non idea | 11:59 |
| \sh | Riddell: ok, I'll check it out on one of my vmware instances ;) | 12:00 |
| Riddell | cewanf: download sources https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.7-1ubuntu2 ; dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; cd foo-<tab>; debuild | 12:00 |
| Riddell | repeat for kdebase | 12:00 |
| Lure | \sh: please report back - I am also interested in this | 12:00 |
| Riddell | you probably need devscripts fakeroot and build-essential installed first | 12:00 |
| cewanf | Riddell: where in that is the patch included? | 12:01 |
| \sh | Lure: will do :) | 12:01 |
| Riddell | cewanf: those are the sources from gutsy, the patch is in debian/patches | 12:01 |
| cewanf | okey, so the patch is included in the sources? | 12:04 |
| Riddell | yes | 12:06 |
| cewanf | okey, but this should be done while kde is not running, right? | 12:06 |
| Riddell | doesn't matter | 12:08 |
| cewanf | okey, I'll make a run for it. lets cross our fingers my system does not get screwed :-) | 12:08 |
| cewanf | Thanks for helping, Riddell. I'll let you guys know how it went... | 12:11 |
| \sh | Riddell: again my question from this morning...how can someone configure more then the main panels on more then one screen? | 12:12 |
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| \sh | Riddell: I add another panel to kde, but I'm only able to adjust the main panel | 12:12 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: shouldnt be too bad. | 12:15 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: assuming you actually get kdebase, the mid-kde transition isnt such a big deal | 12:15 |
| Riddell | \sh: I've no idea, why do you ask me? | 12:16 |
| Jucato | \sh: restart kicker with "dcop kicker kicker restart" or access the panel configuration from kcontrol | 12:17 |
| \sh | Jucato: hmmm...if this work, we have a big bug in kicker ;) | 12:17 |
| Jucato | you've been bitten by a semi-common, yet can't-be-pinned-down bug :) | 12:17 |
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| Jucato | been there since edgy, KDE 3.5.5 I think | 12:17 |
| \sh | Jucato: well, I never used kde on two screen, since now ;) | 12:18 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 12:19 |
| Jucato | it happens even on one screen :) | 12:19 |
| Riddell | mhb: what are the update-grub issues needed for grubconfig? | 12:20 |
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| \sh | Jucato: well, even with kcontrol panel config, you can't push the second panel over two screens...it just works only with the main one | 12:23 |
| \sh | ah no | 12:23 |
| \sh | now it works...ah...that'a a thing... | 12:23 |
| \sh | main panel on screen 2, you can't reisze the second panel which is also on top over two screens | 12:24 |
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| \sh | ah I found it... | 12:31 |
| \sh | it doesn't reload the panel settings...when the panel kcm is loaded via context menu | 12:31 |
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| _StefanS_ | mmmh.. compile farm | 12:36 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: "Bluez is expected to change with the next upload, so we have to make sure to use the services provided by the bluez-gnome package." what does that mean? | 12:40 |
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| glatzor | hi sebas. I once again forgot the irc nick of simon edwards | 01:03 |
| Riddell | glatzor: _Sime | 01:08 |
| Riddell | with varying underscores | 01:08 |
| glatzor | Thanks Riddell | 01:09 |
| Riddell | glatzor: are there any changes to software-properties planned in gutsy time? | 01:10 |
| glatzor | Riddell: by the way would it be better to convert the designer files in software-properties to code using pyuic and only ship the python files? | 01:11 |
| glatzor | Riddell: Only some backend changes. I would like to use a different format for the configuration files. | 01:11 |
| Riddell | glatzor: why would you think so? seems nicer to me to just ship the .ui and not have to do any compiling | 01:12 |
| glatzor | Riddell: there seem to be a lot of crashes and the user interface is not translatable | 01:13 |
| glatzor | Riddell: But I don't know if this would be solved by shipping the python packages. | 01:14 |
| Riddell | yes, translation is something that needs to be fixed properly. but shipping .py files is unlikley to help since they'd use the qt weird method of translation | 01:14 |
| Riddell | I need to dig up the .po extract commend for .ui files | 01:15 |
| glatzor | Riddell: But isn't designer used in other KDE projects too? | 01:16 |
| Riddell | glatzor: yes, but this is qt 4 and python and KDE translations only support qt 3 and c++ currently | 01:22 |
| Riddell | and it's not using the KDE translation method anyway, it's using raw gettext | 01:22 |
| Riddell | (s/method/library/ KDE also uses gettext of course) | 01:23 |
| Riddell | it's all solvable, just needs getting the right bits in the right places | 01:23 |
| cewanf | Riddell: I got this when running debuild: "debuild: Fatal error at line 1155: running debsign failed" | 01:30 |
| Riddell | cewanf: that's good, it means it's all finished | 01:35 |
| glatzor | Riddell: I thought QT would use a home brown solution and not gettext? | 01:35 |
| Riddell | you don't need to sign it | 01:35 |
| Riddell | cewanf: install the .deb files in the directory above and repeat for kdebase | 01:35 |
| cewanf | alrighty! | 01:35 |
| Riddell | glatzor: it does, it's weird and non-strandard, gettext is far preferably | 01:35 |
| Riddell | preferable | 01:36 |
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| marseillai | does anyone know where i can find that | 01:41 |
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| cewanf | okey, got some errors here: kdelibs4-dev depends on libjasper-dev (>= 1.900.1); however: Package libjasper-dev is not installed. AND kdelibs-dbg depends on qt-x11-free-dbg; however: Package qt-x11-free-dbg is not installed. | 01:42 |
| cewanf | i try running sudo aptitude install qt-x11-free-dbg, but then it wants to remove kdebase-dev and kdelibs4-dev | 01:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that means that we'll have to write a little script or use kdebluetooth-dbus so that we'll be able to use the bluez services for hidd | 01:43 |
| marseillai | hi Tonio_ i've you seen my mail ? | 01:44 |
| marseillai | -i' | 01:45 |
| cewanf | Riddell: any idea on what to do? should I remove kdebase-dev and kdelibs4-dev? | 01:51 |
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| Riddell | cewanf: you don't really care about kdelibs-dbg, it can be removed | 01:58 |
| Riddell | cewanf: you do want kdelibs4-dev but not kdebase-dev | 01:58 |
| cewanf | so, when I try to install libjasper-dev, it suggests I remove kdebase-dev and kdelibs4-dev, so should I accept that solution and then later on reinstall the kdelibs4-dev package? | 02:00 |
| Riddell | isn't it kdelibs4-dev that needs libjasper-dev? | 02:02 |
| cewanf | yup | 02:02 |
| cewanf | kdelibs4-dev cannot be installed because it depends on libjasper-dev, but if I then try to install libjasper-dev it wants to remove kdebase-dev and kdelibs4-dev | 02:03 |
| Riddell | oh, it'll remove the old kdelib4-dev, that's fine | 02:03 |
| cewanf | alrighty! | 02:03 |
| Riddell | just install the new one afterwards | 02:03 |
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| cewanf | okey, I did that, but now it's complaining about a lot more packages when trying to install kdelibs4-dev. Example: kdelibs4-dev depends on libart-2.0-dev (>= 2.3.17); however:Package libart-2.0-dev is not installed. | 02:08 |
| Riddell | apt-get -f install | 02:11 |
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| cewanf | Riddell: okey, I did that, and most of the dependencies disappeared, but still there are these left: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kdelibs4-dev: kdelibs4-dev depends on libfam-dev | libgamin-dev; however: Package libfam-dev is not installed. Package libgamin-dev is not installed. kdelibs4-dev depends on libjasper-dev (>= 1.900.1); however: Package libjasper-dev is not installed. | 02:15 |
| cewanf | feels like I am stuck in a loop here | 02:15 |
| Riddell | grr, it shouldn't depend on libgamin | 02:17 |
| Riddell | well, apt-get install libgamin-dev libjasper-dev | 02:17 |
| cewanf | hehe, then it wants to remove all packages we just installed by running apt-get -f install | 02:18 |
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| Riddell | why? | 02:19 |
| Riddell | can you install just libjasper-dev ? | 02:19 |
| cewanf | ok, so now I have installed libjasper-dev and libgamin, it removed a lot of other packages though. then i tried to install kdelibs4-dev again, and then it complained about all those packages | 02:21 |
| cewanf | should I run apt-get -f install again? | 02:22 |
| Riddell | complained about which packages? | 02:22 |
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| Riddell | cewanf: use a pastebin :) | 02:24 |
| cewanf | what is that? | 02:24 |
| Riddell | maybe it would be better to have compiled the feisty package and added the xinerama patch | 02:24 |
| Riddell | pastebin.ubuntu-nl.com | 02:25 |
| Riddell | pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org | 02:25 |
| cewanf | okey, but is my system screwed right now? | 02:25 |
| cewanf | Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/22136/ | 02:26 |
| Riddell | not irrevocably | 02:28 |
| cewanf | how come this solution isnt working? | 02:28 |
| Riddell | it probably needs a newer version of something that isn't in feisty | 02:29 |
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| cewanf | okey, how do I revoke the stuff that I have installed then? | 02:29 |
| Riddell | apt-get -f install :) | 02:29 |
| cewanf | alright, then everything is back to normal again? | 02:30 |
| Riddell | should be | 02:31 |
| cewanf | okey, cool, it tells me to run apt-get autoremove on a bunch of packages. should I do that? | 02:31 |
| Riddell | naw | 02:31 |
| Riddell | so I'd say try again with the feisty packages | 02:32 |
| cewanf | yea, lets :-) | 02:32 |
| cewanf | where do I start? | 02:32 |
| Riddell | get the .orig, .diff and .dsc from http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-357/pool/kdelibs/ | 02:32 |
| Riddell | dpkg-source -x *dsc | 02:32 |
| cewanf | oki | 02:32 |
| Riddell | copy over the kubuntu*xinerama* patch from the gutsy package | 02:32 |
| Riddell | and debuild | 02:32 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I have an updated patch for you that includes localization in kdm as well | 02:44 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I forgot about that .. | 02:45 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: cool, please e-mail it to me | 02:45 |
| Riddell | or put it on a web server | 02:46 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: coming to you in a moment | 02:46 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I'll just put it onlin ethen | 02:46 |
| _StefanS_ | argh I just ordered a system and forgot to get memory for it ... jeeez | 02:47 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: http://www.enhance-it.dk/patches/ | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: feel free to take whichever packages you like over hte next 48h or so - i'll be busy with uni/work | 02:51 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: ok, am just uploaded the rest of your packages | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | yay.... | 02:51 |
| === Hobbsee hopes they build | ||
| cewanf | Riddell: do I have to debuild kdebase as well? I am guessing not | 02:53 |
| Riddell | cewanf: yes | 02:55 |
| Riddell | once kdelibs is all built and installed | 02:55 |
| cewanf | I have to debuild kdebase as well? | 02:56 |
| Riddell | yes | 02:58 |
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| Riddell | _StefanS_: uploaded | 03:10 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: sweet :) | 03:10 |
| Riddell | fdoving: patch to kdebase for audiocds with unmount dialogue also uploaded | 03:10 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I figure that my diffs didnt cause to many problems, even though they wasn't true debdiffs ;) | 03:14 |
| Riddell | cdbs-edit-patch made it all easy | 03:14 |
| freeflying | Riddell: have you read my message here about skim stuffs | 03:15 |
| Riddell | freeflying: yes, although I'm not sure I understand | 03:16 |
| freeflying | Riddell: if we anna improve the skim in gutsy, we shall maintain scim stuffs by ourself | 03:17 |
| Riddell | freeflying: we need to move the scim setup stuff from scim's postinst to libscim | 03:18 |
| Riddell | what else needs done? | 03:18 |
| freeflying | Riddell: we'd re-split scim to fit our need | 03:18 |
| freeflying | 1000 4871 0.0 0.0 5856 904 ? Ss 20:52 0:00 /usr/lib/scim-1.0/scim-helper-manager | 03:19 |
| freeflying | 1000 4885 0.0 1.0 43480 10748 ? Ss 20:52 0:00 /usr/lib/scim-1.0/scim-launcher -d -c kconfig -e all -f socket --no-stay | 03:19 |
| freeflying | 1000 4887 0.0 0.0 8840 964 ? Ss 20:52 0:00 /usr/lib/scim-1.0/scim-launcher -d -c socket -e socket -f x11 | 03:19 |
| freeflying | 1000 4930 0.0 0.8 15264 9068 ? S 20:52 0:00 scim-bridge | 03:19 |
| freeflying | 1000 5681 0.0 0.1 5904 1936 ? S 21:19 0:00 perl /usr/share/apps/konversation/scripts/cmd konversation irc.freenode.net #kubuntu-devel ps aux |grep scim | 03:19 |
| freeflying | 1000 5682 0.0 0.0 1932 600 ? S 21:19 0:00 sh -c ps aux |grep scim | 03:19 |
| freeflying | 1000 5684 0.0 0.0 3100 880 ? R 21:19 0:00 grep scim | 03:19 |
| freeflying | Riddell: as you see, there have two processes we needn't under kde | 03:19 |
| freeflying | but use pace to kages exist in archive, we have to have them run | 03:20 |
| _StefanS_ | gotta run, see you guys later on | 03:23 |
| Riddell | freeflying: which don't we need for KDE? | 03:23 |
| freeflying | scim-helper-manager and 1000 4887 0.0 0.0 8840 964 ? Ss 20:52 0:00 /usr/lib/scim-1.0/scim-launcher -d -c socket -e socket -f x11 | 03:24 |
| freeflying | Riddell: we have kconfig, so we needn't run another fronted using x11 | 03:24 |
| freeflying | Riddell: and scim-help-manager is really for gtk users | 03:24 |
| Riddell | freeflying: how does the second scim-launcher get started? | 03:25 |
| freeflying | Riddell: I don't know ,just read the source code of scim now | 03:26 |
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| lucky_lucas | hey it's me or the dot.kde.org websited has boomed | 03:48 |
| lucky_lucas | I just got a news in akregator called road to kde 4, seems I m not th eonly one | 03:49 |
| Riddell | lucky_lucas: that was published sortly before the site broke | 03:50 |
| lucky_lucas | the site broke because of the news ? | 03:50 |
| lucky_lucas | They cause their own DOS | 03:51 |
| Riddell | I doubt it, dot just breaks randomly | 03:51 |
| lucky_lucas | ok, I wonder if it had a so big popularity | 03:52 |
| lucky_lucas | ha it's on its feets again | 03:52 |
| lucky_lucas | shortly, | 03:53 |
| freeflying | Lure: will you merge strigi? | 03:53 |
| Lure | freeflying: I can (gutsy just being installed) - I suspect it will be simple sync | 03:54 |
| freeflying | Lure: a guy from motu-torren team wann merge it :) | 03:55 |
| Lure | freeflying: fine with me | 03:55 |
| Riddell | strigi should just be a sync | 03:56 |
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| Lure | Riddell: yep, just need to check if plugins now work properly - I suspect fabo did the right thing | 03:57 |
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| cewanf | Riddell: kdelibs went fine now, moving on to kdebase | 04:15 |
| Riddell | groovy | 04:15 |
| cewanf | my adept_notifier keeps reminding me now to update kdelibs, should i remove the kde357 repos to get rid of this? | 04:16 |
| Riddell | what does it think you have to update? | 04:17 |
| cewanf | kdelibs-dbg and kdelibs4c2a | 04:19 |
| cewanf | candidate and installed version are identical | 04:20 |
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| cewanf | Riddell: what is your opinion about that? | 04:33 |
| Riddell | what's the output of apt-cache policy kdelibs4c2a ? | 04:34 |
| cewanf | http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/22155/ | 04:36 |
| Riddell | curious, it has the same version number but it still wants to install from kubuntu.org | 04:37 |
| Riddell | yes, removing the 357 repository from will stop it wanting to do that | 04:38 |
| cewanf | Riddell: but will I then miss possible updates in the future for other packages? | 04:40 |
| Riddell | I don't plan any updates for kubuntu.org | 04:41 |
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| cewanf | alright | 04:42 |
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| cewanf | nice, it disappeared | 04:44 |
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| cewanf | got an error debuilding: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/22164/ | 04:54 |
| freeflying | Riddell: libscim need scim-helper, but its in scim, so we may talk to minghua | 04:54 |
| cewanf | Riddell: something went wrong | 04:54 |
| Riddell | cewanf: edit debian/kdebase-data.install and remove the lines with l10n/yu | 04:55 |
| Riddell | cewanf: then run debuild -nc | 04:55 |
| Riddell | freeflying: what is scim-helper? | 04:55 |
| freeflying | Riddell: its for manager various module for scim | 04:56 |
| cewanf | Riddell: okey, I removed all l10n lines, nothing found in file for yu though | 04:57 |
| Riddell | freeflying: doesn't have any dependencies, so that can move to libscim's package easily enough | 04:57 |
| Riddell | cewanf: don't remove all l10n, only the yu ones | 04:57 |
| freeflying | Riddell: then it should in libscim, but not scim | 04:58 |
| cewanf | Riddell: ouch, okey | 04:58 |
| cewanf | hmm, guess vim does not keep backup files | 04:59 |
| freeflying | Riddell: and if we set XMODIFIERS to dumy, libscim will not run another process with x11 fronted | 04:59 |
| Riddell | freeflying: can you add this to the language support part of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyPlan ? | 05:00 |
| freeflying | Riddell: ok | 05:00 |
| freeflying | Riddell: comments or add it directly? | 05:01 |
| Riddell | freeflying: just add it directly | 05:01 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: An option should be added to run language-selector in the skim menu --< why shall we add to skim's menu, skim is just a Input Method fronted | 05:10 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: btw I will take Scribus :) | 05:12 |
| Riddell | freeflying: do chinese characters work in qt in feisty? | 05:13 |
| freeflying | Riddell: you mean Scribus? | 05:14 |
| Riddell | freeflying: no, just displaying characters. http://www.ubuntu.org.cn/ misses a lot of characters when I look at it | 05:15 |
| freeflying | Riddell: if we select Chinese in language-selevtor, we can | 05:15 |
| Riddell | ok | 05:16 |
| Riddell | still, shame not to have it by default | 05:16 |
| freeflying | its really strenge, use same fontconfig settings under Debian and kubuntu, kubuntu can display all chinese characters, but debian still need configure in qtrc | 05:17 |
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| nixternal | good morning | 05:20 |
| Riddell | nixternal: is it a sunny and beautiful morning? | 05:21 |
| nixternal | why yes it it | 05:22 |
| nixternal | I just turned on the air-conditioning | 05:22 |
| ScottK | I guess it's late May, so the snow has finally stopped in Chicago. | 05:22 |
| nixternal | we haven't had snow at all this year really...we had to snow blow twice this entire winter | 05:23 |
| Riddell | ah, America. The country that consumes more energy in the summer than in winter | 05:23 |
| nixternal | Riddell: no, America...the country that consumes to much #@!#@$ all of the time | 05:23 |
| cewanf | Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/22173/ | 05:24 |
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| Riddell | cewanf: remove from kwin.install and debuild -nc | 05:25 |
| glatzor | _Sime: evening. I would like to talk about displayconfig | 05:25 |
| cewanf | Riddell: remove what? | 05:26 |
| Riddell | cewanf: usr/share/apps/kwin/default_rules/fsp_workarounds_1 | 05:26 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Just keep in mind that Chicago and Rome are on the same latitude. It is, in fact, a lot hotter here. | 05:26 |
| Riddell | ScottK: you're another chicago person? | 05:28 |
| ScottK | No. Outside Baltimore, MD, USA, but I've been to Chicago a few times. | 05:29 |
| Riddell | sounds close enough :) | 05:29 |
| ScottK | From where you sit, no doubt. | 05:29 |
| ScottK | nixternal used to live not very far from where I do. | 05:29 |
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| nixternal | mmm Maryland | 05:32 |
| nixternal | I will probably move out to the east coast a bit next year...probably DC area though | 05:32 |
| nixternal | so I can bother crimsun | 05:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: new openwengo is now a standard sip client | 05:34 |
| ScottK | Well I'm now closer to Baltimore than DC, but still consider it DC area. | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can be used with every sip service :) | 05:34 |
| ScottK | Traffic is a lot better over here than in Virginia. | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: very interesting | 05:34 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: awooga | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | now has full alsa support too.... | 05:34 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: and they have source packages | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: need to look at this first :) | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but maybe we should look at the sip spec again :) | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: added to the hudge todo list I may start on friday | 05:35 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's still unlikely to be able to fit on a CD | 05:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes but we should have a nice package for this | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | at least | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and wait to switch on a dvd or 2 cds installation, which is inevitable..... | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | some day in the future | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: still no tarball :'( | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | maybe on the forum as usual.... | 05:38 |
| Riddell | http://download.wengo.com/wengophone/release/2007-05-15/wengophone-2.1.tar.bz2 | 05:38 |
| Tonio_ | yep, that the binaries | 05:38 |
| cewanf | Riddell: "dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of `NEEDED libkdeinit_khotkeys.so' not recognized", should I worry? | 05:39 |
| Riddell | it says "Source code"! | 05:39 |
| Riddell | cewanf: can't say I ever do :) | 05:39 |
| cewanf | hehe | 05:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah ? maybe that's easier to get on the english website :) | 05:40 |
| Tonio_ | indeed that's a real tarball....... cool ;) | 05:40 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: from http://dev.openwengo.org/ | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah okay ;) | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | I'm trying to find out how to use it with another sip provider.... | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | changelog says that's possible | 05:45 |
| cewanf | Riddell: i have debuilt kdebase and installed all deb packages | 05:54 |
| cewanf | should I log out and log in to make the new stuff effective? | 05:54 |
| lucky_lucas | Tonio_: if you disconnect yourself, the connection wizard offers you an advanced users link it's supposed to be the way of setting up another sip provider | 05:55 |
| lucky_lucas | sorry i miss a , | 05:55 |
| Riddell | cewanf: yes | 05:55 |
| cewanf | ok, here goes! | 05:55 |
| lucky_lucas | Tonio_: if you disconnect yourself, the connection wizard offers you an advanced users link, it's supposed to be the way of setting up another sip provider | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | lucky_lucas: saw that indeed | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | lucky_lucas: very cool :) | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | lucky_lucas: needs testing toonight before packaging, but that'll go on the top of my todo | 05:56 |
| lucky_lucas | Tonio_: cool it will be very appreciate, I just wonder why it can't get connected to my account | 05:58 |
| lucky_lucas | Tonio_: Seems that they have some issues with cross platform and cross client visio | 05:59 |
| Tonio_ | lucky_lucas: ah ? | 05:59 |
| lucky_lucas | Tonio_: Yes it's about codec and video streamin protocols I ve read a bit of that in the linux magazine (french touch) | 05:59 |
| Tonio_ | lucky_lucas: hehe | 06:01 |
| lucky_lucas | Anyway I think that for cross platform between two openwengo clients all should be fine | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | lucky_lucas: yep | 06:01 |
| lucky_lucas | That's what really counts at first | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | lucky_lucas: how about the status with msn and so on ? | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | lucky_lucas: I think they intended to offer video support over msn right ? | 06:01 |
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| Tonio_ | lucky_lucas: I must say I didn't play with it recently, so my informations might be outdated :) | 06:02 |
| lucky_lucas | Yes bu the last time I see their website, it was on the feature list where any good soul could get in. | 06:02 |
| cewanf | Riddell: You are the hero of the day for me! Thanks a lot for having patience helping me out :-) The keyboard shortcuts are there again! | 06:02 |
| lucky_lucas | It maybe needs some reverse engineering to handle correct visio | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | lucky_lucas: hehe :) | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll work on the package toonight | 06:03 |
| Riddell | cewanf: groovy, if you put the packages somewhere I can put them in a temp directory on kubuntu.org so you can point people there if they have the same issue | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | can someone tell me where to set the settings for fonts in qt4 apps ? | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | I can't seem to find that | 06:04 |
| lucky_lucas | Tonio_: I was wondering if (in order to train myself on qt) I could create a bunch of templates of gui that anyone could reuse | 06:04 |
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| lucky_lucas | I'm looking for something I can take the time to do ask some questions about the guidelines, but never require a milestone | 06:05 |
| lucky_lucas | In order to help people with poor skills at gui/qt start the contribution they wish to give | 06:06 |
| Tonio_ | sure :) | 06:06 |
| cewanf | Riddell: alright, I'll have to find somewhere to upload them to first though | 06:06 |
| lucky_lucas | Something that no one depends on, but anyone can you use it. For example some gui to configure xorg, because a lot of people have the skills to generate a proper xorg.conf but how many knows about qt | 06:08 |
| lucky_lucas | And I remember it's only to train myself so no pressure, I take the time to make each template the more easy to extend I can do | 06:09 |
| lucky_lucas | I don't if it's a good approach to gain more contributors | 06:10 |
| lucky_lucas | well I'll go away | 06:11 |
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| cewanf | Riddell: done uploading | 06:42 |
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| nixternal | who was working on the kio-sysinfo? | 07:06 |
| nixternal | someone posted it to kde-apps if you haven't noticed..unless of course that was you (whoever that was working on it) ;) | 07:07 |
| nixternal | it works, but it needs "A LOT" of work. I have an Intel CPU, yet I have an AMD icon ;/ | 07:07 |
| nixternal | hehe | 07:07 |
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| nixternal | ryanakca: was it you talking about a kolab setup around here? | 07:14 |
| Riddell | cewanf: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/357-xinerama/ | 07:25 |
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| cewanf | Riddell: great | 07:27 |
| fdoving | nixternal: hsitter was talking about it yesterday. | 07:29 |
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| fdoving | ok :) | 07:30 |
| fdoving | hsitter: did you make a package? | 07:30 |
| hsitter | fdoving: of kolab? | 07:31 |
| fdoving | hsitter: kio-sysinfo | 07:31 |
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| hsitter | I'm doing some code tuning yet | 07:31 |
| hsitter | plus first I'd need to get some artwork from kwwii | 07:31 |
| hsitter | fdoving: http://einstein.astro.gla.ac.uk/download/boinc/dl/boinc_5.8.16_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh | 07:31 |
| hsitter | err | 07:31 |
| hsitter | stupid klipper | 07:31 |
| hsitter | fdoving: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kio-sysinfo/ubuntu | 07:31 |
| fdoving | ah, nice. | 07:32 |
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| kwwii | erm artwork for what? | 07:35 |
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| hsitter | kwwii: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp035.png | 07:36 |
| hsitter | we need another background as one can see quite green ;-) | 07:37 |
| kwwii | hsitter: cool, I am sure we can take care of that | 07:37 |
| hsitter | awesome :) | 07:37 |
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| === hunger hopes kubuntu will not copy that suse stuff. | ||
| hunger | especially not that beagle-infested startmenu... | 07:38 |
| apachelogger | hunger: actully we modify that suse stuff and tell people it's ours ;-) | 07:38 |
| apachelogger | hunger: no point since k4 is making use of strigi anyway | 07:38 |
| apachelogger | and suse is only using beagle because of novell I guess | 07:39 |
| hunger | apachelogger: Yeap. But you could always argue that ubuntu is beagle-land... | 07:39 |
| apachelogger | hunger: so what? | 07:42 |
| sebas | Why | 07:43 |
| apachelogger | I don't know, but last time I had a look beagle wasn't even splitted into lib and front-end | 07:43 |
| sebas | 's Ubuntu beagle-land? | 07:43 |
| apachelogger | so why should kubuntu install half gnome just to make use of beagle?! Oo | 07:43 |
| sebas | AFAIK, at the recent UDS it's been decided to go with tracker for the GNOME desktop and use strigi for KDE | 07:43 |
| fdoving | beagle files are named .exe and such. doesn't look good at all :) | 07:44 |
| apachelogger | mono FTW | 07:44 |
| apachelogger | <-- evil vb.net coder | 07:44 |
| apachelogger | muahaha :D | 07:44 |
| sebas | I've seen many people complaining that they didn't find the NetworkManager executable only because it's uppercase. | 07:45 |
| fdoving | that's evil too. | 07:45 |
| apachelogger | sebas: can reproduce that | 07:46 |
| apachelogger | exec shouldn't be named uppercase IMHO | 07:46 |
| sebas | And not contain .exe on UNIX =) | 07:47 |
| Riddell | users shouldn't need to run NetworkManager though, there's a reason it's in /usr/sbin | 07:48 |
| apachelogger | yeah ^_^ | 07:48 |
| sebas | Well, users as in "people who use the system", not non-root system users. | 07:49 |
| fdoving | it's NetworkManager and MAKEDEV | 07:49 |
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| fdoving | me neither, but it's uppercase :) | 07:50 |
| Riddell | 3 years being how long you've had udev for? | 07:50 |
| sebas | About that, yes. | 07:55 |
| sebas | Or rather devfs before. | 07:55 |
| sebas | Something less braindead than plain mknod | 07:55 |
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| seele | nixternal: are you really an IA? | 08:36 |
| nixternal | you got that quick...you asked for "other information experts", but I have worked with some IA stuff in the past...but no, I am not an IA | 08:37 |
| nixternal | but I have some time to offer if you needed volunteers to help out anyway that I can | 08:38 |
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| seele | ok.. if youre up for it i will include you in the next mailing :) | 08:39 |
| nixternal | sure | 08:39 |
| nixternal | only IA I have really been involved in really, is when I used to program HMI (Human Machine Interfaces) for controls automation in the 90s | 08:39 |
| nixternal | besides website design and technical documentation that is | 08:40 |
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| fdoving | Yes, figured out the safely remove dissapearing-act. atleast part of it. | 09:37 |
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| kristina | hi, trying to install the kde4 packages (kde4base-dev worked) I get a "break install". anything I can do about it? | 09:44 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: yes | 09:49 |
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| ryanakca | nixternal: if you want to help... poke elmo 'till he aswers to RT 27573 :) | 09:51 |
| crimsun | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gaim/+filebug | 09:52 |
| crimsun | er | 09:52 |
| crimsun | that's likely to get you shite-listed by elmo | 09:52 |
| ryanakca | crimsun: whats that? filing an RT, and then following up on it every 2-3 weeks? | 09:55 |
| ryanakca | or the gaim filebug? | 09:55 |
| crimsun | ryanakca: "poke elmo 'till he aswers" | 09:56 |
| ryanakca | ah | 09:56 |
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| ryanakca | crimsun: well... I'm sure he isn't that overworked and underpayed to answer to one-and-a-half month old RT... since he is the admin for the kubuntu.org domain and the only one who can take care of the RT... | 09:58 |
| ryanakca | hmmm | 09:58 |
| gnomefreak | kristina: yes wait for it or try sudo apt-get -f install its known about already | 10:09 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: should I add the KOLAB (I'm setting up an eGroupWare server.... it's better maintained and easier to setup and manage...) to the meeting agenda? | 10:10 |
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| mhb | evening | 10:15 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: that would be up to Riddell really...we were just talking about Kolab earlier, so that is why I asked :) | 10:20 |
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| kristina | gnomefreak: so it's not dangerous? | 10:39 |
| gnomefreak | kristina: should be ok. i havent run into it yet but i saw it this morning | 10:40 |
| gnomefreak | someone talking about it this morning atleast | 10:40 |
| kristina | I see... I'll try then. tnx | 10:40 |
| gnomefreak | yw | 10:41 |
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| ryanakca | with "Make KMilo's appearance customizable, [WWW] patch available from KDE-Apps.org" from wiki/Kubuntu/Meetings, wouldn't it be simple enough to setup? Just add the patch to the source package, and check if it builds? | 10:48 |
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| mschiff | ping Riddell | 11:15 |
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| jjesse | evening | 11:18 |
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