[01:10] <Jucato> :)
[01:11] <yuriy> :(
[01:21] <ryanakca> is there a way to disable KDE4? It seems to have mingled with my stable KDE install...
[01:21] <ryanakca> and I have composite running in KDE 3.5.6
[01:22] <ryanakca> which then leads to random crashes :S
[01:23] <rbrunhuber_> ryanakca: dumb question can't you just try to purge the packages?
[01:24] <Jucato> I wonder how it is mingling with KDE 3? they're supposed to be on different dirs...
[01:25] <rbrunhuber_> Jucato: But they bring in a lot of new libs called kde5 or so?!
[01:25] <rbrunhuber_> Jucato: Maybe thats the problem
[01:26] <bobesponja> hey
[01:26] <Jucato> rbrunhuber_: yeah, but they're supposed to be installed on different paths, hence the need for export commands to run KDE 4... at least afaik
[01:26] <bobesponja> do you plan to release kdevelop 3.4.1 packages?
[01:27] <bobesponja> I can't see them in the kde 3.5.7 update :(
[01:27] <Jucato> not yet included in 3.5.7 packages. not sure when it will be made available...
[01:27] <rbrunhuber_> Jucato: You are right kde4: /usr/lib/kde4/lib kde3: /usr/lib/kde3
[01:28] <Jucato> I'm more inclined to blame compositing than KDE 4 :)
[01:29] <bobesponja> Jucato: ok thanx
[01:29] <rbrunhuber_> Jucato: Compositing is always uncertainty factor
[01:30] <rbrunhuber_> Jucato: Are you a (k)ubuntu developer?
[01:30] <Jucato> no (not yet... :P)
[01:31] <ryanakca> Jucato: yeah
[01:32] <Jucato> ironically, I'm more confident compiling KDE 4 :/
[01:32] <ryanakca> rbrunhuber_: they're supposed to be two sepperate things... but it looks like they aren't... they've mingled. And I'm afraid that removing KDE4 migh take out some parts of 3.5.6 as well
[01:33] <ryanakca> Jucato: you aren't a member yet?
[01:33] <Jucato> ryanakca: better poke Riddell (or nixternal) about that if they suddenly mingled
[01:33] <Jucato> I'm a member, but not a dev :)
[01:34] <Jucato> s/study/learn
[01:34] <Jucato> I had to put off my MOTU dreams for a while in order to focus on my C++/Qt/KDE plans for world domination :D
[01:34] <ryanakca> ah
[01:34] <rbrunhuber_> Jucato: crossing my fingers for you too :-)
[01:35] <claydoh> is it just me or did Adept loose the Manage Repositories applet and revert back to the original style?
[01:35] <Jucato> claydoh: we seem to be getting a lot of that lately. install software-properties-kde
[01:35] <claydoh> sweet
[01:35] <claydoh> thanks Jucato
[01:36] <Jucato> np :)
[01:36] <Jucato> 3rd time I've heard of the problem this day
[01:36] <ryanakca> hmmm
[01:36] <Jucato> hehe
[01:36] <ryanakca> file a bug?
[01:37] <claydoh> could be a 3.5.7 issue
[01:37] <ryanakca> just hit F12, yakuake pops down, "sudo apt-get install foobar" and all done :)
[01:37] <claydoh> I use it about 25%, 25% synaptic, 50% apt
[01:37] <Jucato> hehe
[01:38] <Jucato> bash_aliases ftw!
[01:38] <rbrunhuber_> I'm using synaptic most time. Adept and friends is too unintuitive (<- if this word exists :-))
[01:38] <Jucato> rbrunhuber_: it does exist. (at least for adept :P)
[01:38] <Jucato> nah adept is getting better
[01:38] <claydoh> adept is much better than  it used to be
[01:38] <Jucato> the new software-properties/manage repositories is one step in the right direction imho
[01:39] <rbrunhuber_> i'm missing progress on adept because after i entered ad in run dialog mostly i delete it and use synaptic
[01:39] <Jucato> tsk tsk :)
[01:40] <ryanakca> hmmm...
[01:41] <rbrunhuber_> adept_manager is so hard to type :-)
[01:41] <Jucato> lol! that's what Katapult is for :)
[01:42] <rbrunhuber_> katapult is cool until you installed konquest :-)
[01:42] <ryanakca> He seems to refuse responding to me :-/ Filed an RT a month and half ago, sent him an email after 3 weeks and 5, try getting a hold of him on irc... hmmm!
[01:42] <ryanakca> lol
[01:42] <Jucato> he's just hiding :)
[01:43] <ryanakca> space game, isn't it?
[01:43] <rbrunhuber_> Jucato: konquest just gets you in the way if you want to start konqueror
[01:43] <Jucato> aaaaaah
[01:44] <rbrunhuber_> Jucato: Nice idea!
[01:44] <ryanakca> Jucato: yeah... in the Canonical office of DOOM with a pile of coffee and doughnuts
[01:44] <Jucato> heh :)
[01:45] <rbrunhuber_> ryanakca: didn't get that
[01:45] <Jucato> oooh I see that kde4 packages will remove apport, language selector, and kubuntu-desktop. nice :)
[01:45] <ryanakca> elmo hiding
[01:46] <Jucato> ryanakca: ok, I'll be blunt. he obviously doesn't want to talk to you :P
[01:46] <ryanakca> too many powerful and important people in there :)
[01:46] <ryanakca> lol
[01:46] <ryanakca> hmmm
[01:47] <rbrunhuber_> ryanakca: don't hit him too hard if you still need him
[01:47] <yuriy> i also still haven't installed kde4 because it seems to conflict with some stuff i don't want removed
[01:47] <Jucato> rbrunhuber_: ryanakca will just probably gag and tie him up and bring him back home :)
[01:48] <ryanakca> lol
[01:48] <Jucato> btw, has anyone seen the UDS video? just wondering who was the young kid there?
[01:49] <Jucato> (UDS music video, I mean)
[01:49] <ryanakca> I saw it... and no clue
[01:49] <Jucato> hehe. just amazed. so young yet so geeky :)
[01:49] <ryanakca> probably... hmmm... jpatrick?
[01:49] <ryanakca> lol
[01:50] <Jucato> heh I'd be surprised if it were jpatrick
[01:50] <Jucato> (haven't seen him in a while...)
[01:50] <ryanakca> why? his school is somewheres in spain
[01:50] <ryanakca> ah
[01:51] <Jucato> which part specifically?
[01:51] <ryanakca> and... during summer holidays...
[01:51] <Jucato> (I'm sure there won't be one in my part...)
[01:51] <ryanakca> I doubt my parents would let me get away on a school week
[01:51] <ryanakca> Ontario, Canada
[01:51] <Jucato> aaah...
[01:52] <ajmitch> ryanakca: boston, november?
[01:52] <ryanakca> they have a Canonical office in montreal, 5 hours away... I could go to one there... or Toronto, 3 hrs...
[01:52] <ryanakca> oooh :{
[01:52] <ryanakca> :)
[01:52] <ryanakca> that's a possibility
[01:52] <ajmitch> already had one in montreal, 18 months ago
[01:52] <Jucato> :}
[01:52] <ryanakca> ah
[01:52] <Jucato> :3
[01:53] <ryanakca> Jucato: dvorak keyboard... { is right smack next to ) :)
[01:53] <ajmitch> young kid at UDS? I'm guessing you mean racarr, a beryl person
[01:53] <ryanakca> wow
[01:53] <Jucato> wow
[01:54] <ajmitch> wow?
[01:54] <ryanakca> beryl isn't really just a bash script... or a hello world
[01:54] <ajmitch> no, it's not
[01:55] <Jucato> let me rephrase that... "so young, yet so overly geeky already" :D
[01:55] <Jucato> ajmitch: I'm always amazed at young devs, being not-so-young-anymore-in-a-few-months myself... :/
[01:55] <ajmitch> what, you'll be 20? :)
[01:56] <ajmitch> though I wouldn't have been going to UDS or similar at that age
[01:56] <ryanakca> lol
[01:56] <Jucato> wrong decisions in careers/colleges... I would probably have been a dev too by now if not for those... :P
[01:56] <ajmitch> then start now, stop regretting decisions
[01:56] <Riddell> robertcarr was the 15 year old at UDS, he does beryl
[01:57] <ryanakca> ah, Riddell :)
[01:57] <Jucato> :)
[01:57] <ajmitch> hello Riddell
[01:57] <ryanakca> Riddell: is KDE4 supposed to mingle with 3.5.6?
[01:57] <Riddell> no
[01:57] <Riddell> well, not much
[01:57] <ryanakca> I have composite running in default KDE :S
[01:58] <ryanakca> and my KDE is crashing every couple of hours... how to fix? would purging it mess up 3.5.6?
[01:58] <Jucato> ah great! net hiccup :(
[01:58] <Jucato> oh moin Riddell :)
[01:58] <Riddell> turn off composite?
[01:59] <Jucato> Riddell: 3 instances of software-properties-kde not being installed. one was from a dist-upgrade to Feisty. forgot to ask claydoh's setup. just reporting :)
[02:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: sorry for my ignorance... but where?
[02:00] <Jucato> ah ok... software-propriest-kde is going to be removed by installing kde4. might be a cause?
[02:00] <Jucato> ryanakca: kde's composite (kompmgr)? System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Translucency tab
[02:01] <claydoh> Jucato: mostly stock feisty, kde 3.5.7,
[02:02] <Riddell> Jucato: I've added a note at the bottom of the 3.5.7 page to clarify that
[02:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: I've no idea, I've never used composite
[02:02] <claydoh> and kde4 alpha packages
[02:02] <Riddell> presumably the opposite of how you turned it on
[02:02] <Jucato> claydoh: ah I see. kde4 is going to remove mine too
[02:03] <Jucato> Riddell: ah cool. I'll just tell the next batch of people who ask :)
[02:03] <claydoh> all fixed now
[02:03] <ryanakca> Jucato: ahahaha! Thanks! I thought it was some kind of KDE4 default :D
[02:04] <Jucato> night Riddell! :)
[02:04] <ryanakca> night Riddell
[02:04] <Jucato> (sweet dreams)
[02:04] <rbrunhuber_> ...are made in heaven?
[02:05] <Jucato> your ghost just left :)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> morning all
[02:17] <Hobbsee> did anyone fix kdepim while i was away?
[02:26] <Riddell> it was broken?
[02:27] <ryanakca> hey Hobbsee and good morning Riddell, sleep well? :)
[02:27] <Riddell> mm, failed to compile
[02:28] <Riddell> oh yes, sleep, night all
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hi ryanakca
[02:28] <ryanakca> lol
[02:28] <Hobbsee> once i'd exited out fo the pbuilder, i couldnt actually access the source dir at all
[02:29] <bobesponja> I'm building kdevelop 3.4.1 if anyone is interested
[02:30] <mschiff> Hi Riddell , is there a problem with the new kitchensync? I wondered because te package seems missing in the repo...
[02:30] <Hobbsee> mschiff: it's changed a lot.  which repo?
[02:31] <mschiff> feisty 3.5.7 on kubuntu.org for example
[02:31] <mschiff> I wanted to test the new kitchensync which now uses opensync...
[02:32] <ryanakca> is bug 115877 safe to reject?
[02:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115877 in kdebase "A lot of programs can't be started" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115877
[02:33] <mschiff> Hobbsee: any clue?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> mschiff: you'd have to ask for Riddell
[02:34] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yes, please do
[02:34] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: you can pretty much reject it at the sight of automatix,too
[02:35] <ryanakca> kk
[02:35] <mschiff> Hobbsee: k thx
[02:35] <mschiff> ping Riddell
[02:35] <Hobbsee> [10:28]  <Riddell> oh yes, sleep, night all
[02:35] <Hobbsee> mschiff: wouldnt be surprised if he's removed it, just because its' broken
[02:36] <mschiff> Hobbsee: you know its broken?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> i had lots of fun with it in gutsy yesterday, with the 3.5.7 packages
[02:37] <mschiff> ok, so I will try to ask hom tomorrow, n8 all, n8 Hobbsee
[02:37] <Hobbsee> night
[02:39] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: would bug 112781 be caused by running an app as root with sudo instead of kdesu? or would that only mess up the ~/.ICEauthority ?
[02:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112781 in kdebase ".kde directory owned by root, problems running kde apps on gnome system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112781
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: no, that'd be done by sudo as well
[02:40] <ryanakca> ?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: sorry.  that'd be caused by running kde as sudo startx
[02:41] <ryanakca> ah.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: 1 & 2 relates to the using kde as root.  3 is because plugins isnt a dep of kdevelop, as not everyone needs all the plugins
[02:43] <ryanakca> So... I guess it's confirmed, based on all the forum reports?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> i'd write back, and say "did you at any point log into kde as root, or use sudo startx to start kde.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> if he did, say it's unsupported, and reject it.
[02:44] <ryanakca> kk
[02:44] <Hobbsee> if you force a different owner for something using a set of config files, yes, the ownership of the config files *will* change.
[02:45] <ryanakca> hehe
[02:45] <ryanakca> fun :)
[02:45] <ryanakca> hmmm... so the plugins are in what package? kde-devel-extras ?
[02:46] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee! just saw your reply to the devel ML. the KHTML patch wil be available soon?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: went into gutsy this morning
[02:46] <Hobbsee> i'd assume it's in the feisty packages too, assuming riddell merged correctly
[02:46] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ah ok... just have to wait for the updates then :)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i'd say so
[02:46] <Jucato> (hopefully together with kdevelop 3.4.1?)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> someone else is building that, i believe
[02:48] <Hobbsee> because after i install kde applications on gnome created .kde folder in home directory is owned by root. Moreover no other permissions are given to neither groups
[02:48] <Hobbsee> is interesting
[02:49] <Jucato> Hobbsee: did you install kde4 alpha (from kubuntu.org)? is it ok for some packages to be removed?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> i havent, and yes, i think so
[02:49] <Jucato> ah ok.
[02:50] <Jucato> going ahead then :)
[03:06] <rbrunhuber_> Hobbsee: kdepim (3.5.7) works like a charm here. What are the bugs reported?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no idea what happened to the kdegames changelog - but i know why for the .install files (yay, no root on the machine i was building)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber_: doesnt build
[03:07] <Hobbsee> on gutsy
[03:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: btw, nice pool pic :)
[03:08] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:08] <Jucato> lol
[03:08] <Jucato> nice imagery :)
[03:08] <rbrunhuber_> Hobbsee: I'm waiting desperate(ly) for kde 3.5.7 for gutsy.
[03:09] <rbrunhuber_> Hobbsee: It's said that there a beatyful drowned water rats :-)
[03:09] <crimsun> it's building ATM.
[03:09] <crimsun>    kdebase | 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources
[03:10] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber_: heh
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ScottK: it should do
[03:11] <ScottK> OK.  That'll be interesting to look at then.
[03:11] <rbrunhuber_> ScottK: disconnected imap sucks a bit less now.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> bah.  i know why kdelibs broke, then.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> annoying pbuilder
[03:12] <Hobbsee> and annoying incompetence
[03:17] <rbrunhuber_> ScottK: I'm curious when kmail /kontact has no more real annoying bugs. It has the most fixed bugs in every changelog since long time.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber_: if you're interested in kdepim, please go thru the buglist, find dupes, and report lots upstream
[03:19] <ScottK> My MX is hosted, so I get what the provider runs...
[03:22] <rbrunhuber_> ScottK: Me too, i even pay for my mailaddress but I have a server at home now, picking up the mails from there and mxing them myself.
[03:23] <rbrunhuber_> ScottK: Adds a lot of features too, imap idle, server side filtering, etc...
[03:24] <ScottK> My provider has pretty extensive server side filtering.  I'm pretty happy.
[03:26] <rbrunhuber_> Hobbsee: I'd like to do some triaging (and my karma needs some doping too) but too less time...
[03:26] <DaSkreech> Riddell or Hobbsee: Ping
[03:26] <Jucato> heh my karma hasn't risen in a while :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: pong
[03:26] <DaSkreech> Evil wins?
[03:26] <rbrunhuber_> Jucato: Thats the problem it does not just not rise it falls.
[03:26] <Jucato> IRC support doesn't count I guess :)
[03:27] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Found a mistake on the live Cd
[03:27] <Hobbsee> oh?  which one?
[03:27] <Jucato> Hobbsee: how about the *real* karma heheh
[03:27] <DaSkreech> disctree/en/kubuntu.html
[03:27] <DaSkreech> says that the latest kubuntu ships with kde 3.4
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hooray
[03:27] <Hobbsee> nixternal: pleasefix.
[03:28] <Jucato> lol
[03:28] <nixternal> huh?
[03:28] <rbrunhuber_> should be the outher way round 4.3 :-)
[03:28] <nixternal> DaSkreech is going to fix it :)
 DaSkreech: I have no clue actually..get with Riddell on that one...maybe Hobbsee knows -devel
[03:28] <Jucato> (passing the buck++) :D
[03:28] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:29] <DaSkreech> where would I find that file?
[03:48] <DaSkreech> seele: Whoot :-)
[03:48] <DaSkreech> No one knows where the files for the Live Cd are?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> there are lots on them
[03:49] <DaSkreech> well the HTML files in disctree folder
[03:49] <Hobbsee> did you check packages.ubuntu.com?
[03:49] <DaSkreech> Duh :)
[03:51] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure why they would be on packages though. You can't apt-get them
[03:51] <Hobbsee> depends if you know the package name
[03:52] <Hobbsee> it's gotta come from somewhere
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Nope
[03:53] <DaSkreech> It's never installed
[03:53] <DaSkreech> it's only ever used when the cd is used as the opencd on Windows
[03:56] <DaSkreech> If you boot up windows and put in the cd it pops up a kmeleon interface. If you click on the kubuntu name it gives you a readme
[03:57] <DaSkreech> That readme says that it ships with KDE 3.4
[04:00] <seele> DaSkreech: hmm?
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Just saw the Munich news
[04:01] <DaSkreech> high usabilty. credited to use of KDE 3 :-D
[04:02] <seele> ah. hmm.. yeah.  i dont know how i feel about that
[04:02] <seele> but i'll ride the PR wave :)
[04:02] <DaSkreech> ha ha So the reaction I expected from you :)
[04:02] <seele> i dont beleive usability can be "certified", so i dont hold much stock in it
[04:03] <DaSkreech> It's a yes/no certification?
[04:03] <seele> but lots of people will see it and it will be a +1 for KDE , so i agree with the Whoot
[04:03] <seele> i have no idea
[04:03] <seele> they said it was based off of an ISO standard, two parts have to do with software usability, the other parts have to do with workplace human factors and ergonomics
[04:03] <DaSkreech> I just assumed that it was a bin usabilty
[04:04] <DaSkreech> like the top most usable
[04:04] <DaSkreech> not as in Yes this is usable no Vista isn't
[04:04] <seele> i think its a pass/fail, you are either certified by this company or you are not
[04:04] <DaSkreech> That is kinda silly :)
[04:05] <seele> what makes it funny is that the complete ISO standard isnt open, you have to pay for it, hehe
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Of course :)
[04:05] <seele> so unless you have a copy of it, you really have no idea what it entails other than the public summaries which are available
[04:05] <seele> dont mean to be a downer about it tho
[04:05] <seele> i think i gave some people that impression today
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Naw I'm looking at KDE4 with HIG guildelines :)
[04:06] <DaSkreech> That should be fun
[04:06] <seele> there are two checklists out
[04:06] <seele> speaking of usability, i have a kubuntu report i never finished
[04:06] <Hobbsee> LOCK kdeedu
[04:06] <seele> i tested the installation process before fiesty was released
[04:07] <DaSkreech> I recall you doing that
[04:07] <seele> yeah, i just havent gotten around to writing a report and posting it yet
[04:07] <seele> i just finished finals and am in the middle of working on my thesis, so it got put on the back burner
[04:18] <Hobbsee> hmm..  this is kidna broken
[04:22] <Hobbsee> come on kdebase...
[04:25] <Hobbsee> yay, kdebase published, so kate wont keep breaking
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hopefully
[04:31] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:41] <DaSkreech> re Hobbsee
[04:42] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:25] <DaSkreech> How is it going?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> well, pbuilder's a bit quirky when you login to it, etc, and i stuffed that up a bit
[05:26] <Hobbsee> kdepim is just a horror, and hasnt built
[05:26] <Hobbsee> so i'm ignoring it for a bit
[05:27] <Hobbsee> kitchensync is a problem
[05:39] <Hobbsee> LOCK kdemultimedia
[05:44] <DaSkreech> night
[05:44] <Hobbsee> night!
[05:48] <Jucato> day! :)
[05:48] <Hobbsee> kdeedu done
[05:49] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:49] <Hobbsee> dunno abou tthat
[05:54] <Jucato> Hobbsee: when are you going to build the world? :D
[05:55] <Jucato> can I be in it :)
[05:55] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sure
[05:55] <Hobbsee> Jucato: when i think brandon's machine will take it...
[05:57] <Hobbsee> Jucato: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/docs/people.html
[05:57] <Hobbsee> Jucato: does that count as the world?
[05:58] <Jucato> Hobbsee: very much :)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> right
[05:59] <Jucato> lunch!!! :)
[05:59] <Hobbsee> hm?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> IMPRESSIVE.
[06:04] <Hobbsee> root@aurora:/home/hobbsee/kdepim# chown -R hobbsee.hobbsee *
[06:04] <Hobbsee> chown: `hobbsee.hobbsee': invalid user
[06:04] <Hobbsee> so i cant actually access those files again *at all*
[06:07] <Hobbsee> wait.
[06:10] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: what did you do now?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: fighting with pbuilder.  which is especially fun, as i don thave root on tha tmachine
[06:11] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: if this is on imbrandon's box, individual users don't have groups
[06:11] <ajmitch> what are you fighting?
[06:12] <Hobbsee> kdepim, at the moment
[06:12] <Hobbsee> true
[06:12] <Hobbsee> it's hobbsee.ubuntudev, it's been pointed out
[06:12] <ajmitch> you said you were fighting pbuilder - what's the problem?
[06:12] <Hobbsee> i think i've stopped fighting it
[06:12] <ajmitch> ok
[06:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: if youc ould delete /home/hobbsee/delete, that'd be good
[06:14] <ajmitch> k
[06:14] <Hobbsee> seeing as i cant rm files owned by root :)
[06:14] <Hobbsee> and am not logged into a pbuilder to try to chown them
[06:14] <ajmitch> you have a large junk pile?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:16] <ajmitch> only 5.4GB
[06:16] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:16] <Hobbsee> not much at all
[06:18] <ajmitch> deleted
[06:19] <Hobbsee> thanks
[06:25] <Hobbsee> kdemultimedia done
[06:42] <Jucato> Hobbsee: wasn't that supposed to be hobbsee:hobbsee?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> no
[06:43] <Hobbsee> the group isnt hobbsee
[06:43] <Jucato> ah
[06:43] <Hobbsee> it's brandon's machine
[06:43] <Jucato> heheh :)
[07:08] <Jucato> you will probably have all of kde built by the end of the day? :)
[07:09] <Hobbsee> heh, no
[07:09] <Hobbsee> actually, i'll grab marselli's patch too
[07:10] <Hobbsee> on second thoughts, if it's that buggy currently...
[07:11] <Jucato> :)
[07:19] <Hobbsee> kdetoys?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> !responses
[07:25] <ubotu> response is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[08:12] <Jucato> hm.. my kdelibs5 download keeps on timing out... :/
[08:33] <_marseillais> hello
[08:44] <Hobbsee> yay, _marseillais
[08:45] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, hi
[08:46] <_marseillais> i've send you a debdiff yesterday
[08:46] <_marseillais> it works fine
[08:46] <_marseillais> but there are several bug upstream
[08:47] <_marseillais> so i've report it and 'ill try to take a look
[08:47] <_marseillais> it's bug with xml edition
[08:47] <_marseillais> but if it works this apps is really fine
[08:48] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: ah yes, i saw that
[08:48] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: did you awnt to get it a bit more stable, then put it in?
[08:49] <_marseillais> yes
[08:49] <Hobbsee> right, OK
[08:50] <_marseillais> because currently there are two bug : first editing shortcut for emoticon doesn't work but it's not a big problem and second removing an emoticon from theme remove several other! and that is a problem
[08:50] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:50] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[08:52] <_marseillais> but i try yesterday and was not able to see the bug! :(
[10:12] <\sh> Riddell: dude, how can someone configure more then one panels on more then one screen in kde...this doesn't work...I only can change the appearance of the main panel not newly created ones
[10:12] <Hobbsee> hi \sh
[10:12] <\sh> moins btw :)
[10:13] <freeflying> Riddell: If we want to improve the usability of skim in gutsy, we shall do somthing with scim, likde repackage and aptch scim, now we have two usenless relate to scim,like scim-helper-manager
[10:14] <freeflying> s/useless/useless processes
[10:17] <Hobbsee> right.  kdetoys done, kdenetwork failed to build, and kdepim is just stuffed
[10:17] <Hobbsee> (it fails in the kitchensync stuff)
[10:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: please *dont* upload a copy of kdepim that's broken, on that basis.
[10:17] <Hobbsee> it now has a file saying "this is broken"
[10:22] <\sh> Hobbsee: what's broken in kdepim? any build logs? :)
[10:22] <Hobbsee> \sh: i dont think pbuilder logs by default?
[10:22] <Hobbsee> but it says it cant find /usr/bin/kitchensync - no such file or directory in dhkdepim-dev install
[10:22] <Hobbsee> thing
[10:23] <\sh> Hobbsee: no...pbuilder build --logfile <file> <.dsc file> or pbuilder build <.dsc file> | tee <logfile>
[10:23] <Hobbsee> ah right
[10:23] <Hobbsee> will do next time
[10:23] <Hobbsee> appraently there are no kitchensync binaries in the feisty version, which are done
[10:23] <Hobbsee> so it may just be permanently busted
[10:24] <\sh> Hobbsee: you can try to compile it via dpkg-buildpackage in a chroot and check if the kitchsync app is there in debian/<where the destdir install is>/usr/bin/
[10:25] <\sh> Hobbsee: why don't we build kitchensync...any reasons?
[10:25] <\sh> brb
[10:26] <Hobbsee> \sh_away: it's changed a lot this versoin
[10:26] <Hobbsee> i havent debugged it terribly far yet
[10:43] <freeflying> Hobbsee: how can /usr/bin/kitchensync  stands in kdepim-dev?
[10:43] <Hobbsee> freeflying: i dont remember - i've done a few of the others since then.  sources are at hobbsee.ubuntuwire.com/kdenetwork/
[10:45] <freeflying> Hobbsee: your dir can not be index?
[10:45] <freeflying> 404 - Not Found
[10:53] <Hobbsee> freeflying: http://hobbsee.ubuntuwire.com/kdepim/
[10:54] <Hobbsee> er, sorry
[10:54] <Hobbsee> kdepim, not kdenetwork
[10:54] <freeflying> Hobbsee: build again?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> freeflying: sorry?
[10:55] <freeflying> Hobbsee: are you building kde-pim now once again?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> no, i havent done
[10:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kdenetwork done
[10:57] <Riddell> groovy
[10:57] <Riddell> done as in compiles and works?
[10:58] <Hobbsee> seems to
[10:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the ones there, excluding kdepim, are all done
[10:59] <Hobbsee> there's still graphics, admin, office, i18n, and everything below that left to do.
[11:00] <Riddell> somebody with more bandwidth than you :)
[11:00] <Jucato> oh we have kde4 packages in feisty universe?
[11:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why didnt your feisty version of 3.5.7 contain kitchensync
[11:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, well.  that is being a bitch.  i've got ways and means around it though
[11:01] <Hobbsee> ie, i work locally, and transfer the diff.gz/dsc to brandon's machine, redownload the tarball to there, and change the md5sum...
[11:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: because it didn't compile.  the feisty packages were very quickly made
[11:01] <Hobbsee> because taking 40 mins to copy over a 15mb tarball is annoying
[11:01] <Hobbsee> right/
[11:01] <Hobbsee> (so i was right in guessing that, yay)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it was more "somebody who actually uses the localisations"
[11:06] <gnomefreak> congrats Hobbsee
[11:06] <Hobbsee> nixternal: btw, it's 2 years in a month or so, i believe
[11:06] <Hobbsee> (@ your sounder post)
[11:11] <Riddell> nixternal: where's that spec you did for kubuntu gutsy docs?
[11:47] <Tonio_> yo
[11:49] <Riddell> re-sault
[11:50] <cewanf> hey guys, I found something missing in the kubuntu version of KDE 3.5.7 that was there in KDE 3.5.6. Anyone interesting in discussing it?
[11:50] <cewanf> interested...
[11:51] <Hobbsee> cewanf: what is it?
[11:52] <cewanf> Under System Settings -> Keyboard and Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Global shortcuts, there was a couple of options for moving windows to next screen, and changing focus to next screen, this has disappeared in KDE 3.5.7
[11:53] <cewanf> The Kubuntu version of KDE 3.5.6 had these options, but others, for instance the Gentoo version did not. This is actually a patch to Xinerama: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/xinerama/
[11:53] <cewanf> So I suppose the Kubuntu team patched kde 3.5.6 before releasing the packages
[11:53] <Riddell> yes, that patch was removed for the feisty packages
[11:53] <Riddell> of 3.5.7
[11:53] <cewanf> why was it removed?
[11:54] <Riddell> it needed to be updated and I had no time to do so
[11:54] <cewanf> ouch, I am using these features all the time in my work :-(
[11:55] <cewanf> I have talked with others that miss this feature as well
[11:55] <cewanf> if you are running a dual screen setup it's a great feature
[11:55] <Riddell> they're back in gutsy
[11:55] <cewanf> hehe, so you are telling me to wait half a year? ;-)
[11:56] <Riddell> or downgrade to 3.5.6
[11:56] <Riddell> or compile it yourself
[11:56] <cewanf> actually, it was not removed in feisty, since it worked for me until I upgraded to 3.5.7 yesterday
[11:56] <cewanf> ah, you mean 3.5.7 feisty packages
[11:56] <Riddell> I know, it was removed in the feisty 3.5.7 packages
[11:56] <cewanf> hehe, okey
[11:57] <cewanf> wish I knew how to compile it myself, is it a lot of work?
[11:57] <Riddell> only for your computer
[11:57] <cewanf> haha
[11:58] <cewanf> do you have any guidelines on how to do it?
[11:59] <\sh> Riddell: is it safe to update to gutsy right now? ,-)
[11:59] <Jucato_> ugh! netsplit... didn't see the answer to cewanf's question :(
[11:59] <Riddell> \sh: I've non idea
[12:00] <\sh> Riddell: ok, I'll check it out on one of my vmware instances ;)
[12:00] <Riddell> cewanf: download sources https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.7-1ubuntu2 ; dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; cd foo-<tab>; debuild
[12:00] <Riddell> repeat for kdebase
[12:00] <Lure> \sh: please report back - I am also interested in this
[12:00] <Riddell> you probably need devscripts fakeroot and build-essential installed first
[12:01] <cewanf> Riddell: where in that is the patch included?
[12:01] <\sh> Lure: will do :)
[12:01] <Riddell> cewanf: those are the sources from gutsy, the patch is in debian/patches
[12:04] <cewanf> okey, so the patch is included in the sources?
[12:06] <Riddell> yes
[12:06] <cewanf> okey, but this should be done while kde is not running, right?
[12:08] <Riddell> doesn't matter
[12:08] <cewanf> okey, I'll make a run for it. lets cross our fingers my system does not get screwed :-)
[12:11] <cewanf> Thanks for helping, Riddell. I'll let you guys know how it went...
[12:12] <\sh> Riddell: again my question from this morning...how can someone configure more then the main panels on more then one screen?
[12:12] <\sh> Riddell: I add another panel to kde, but I'm only able to adjust the main panel
[12:15] <Hobbsee> \sh: shouldnt be too bad.
[12:15] <Hobbsee> \sh: assuming you actually get kdebase, the mid-kde transition isnt such a big deal
[12:16] <Riddell> \sh: I've no idea, why do you ask me?
[12:17] <Jucato> \sh: restart kicker with "dcop kicker kicker restart" or access the panel configuration from kcontrol
[12:17] <\sh> Jucato: hmmm...if this work, we have a big bug in kicker ;)
[12:17] <Jucato> you've been bitten by a semi-common, yet can't-be-pinned-down bug :)
[12:17] <Jucato> been there since edgy, KDE 3.5.5 I think
[12:18] <\sh> Jucato: well, I never used kde on two screen, since now ;)
[12:19] <Jucato> heh :)
[12:19] <Jucato> it happens even on one screen :)
[12:20] <Riddell> mhb: what are the update-grub issues needed for grubconfig?
[12:23] <\sh> Jucato: well, even with kcontrol panel config, you can't push the second panel over two screens...it just works only with the main one
[12:23] <\sh> ah no
[12:23] <\sh> now it works...ah...that'a a thing...
[12:24] <\sh> main panel on screen 2, you can't reisze the second panel which is also on top over two screens
[12:31] <\sh> ah I found it...
[12:31] <\sh> it doesn't reload the panel settings...when the panel kcm is loaded via context menu
[12:36] <_StefanS_> mmmh.. compile farm
[12:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: "Bluez is expected to change with the next upload, so we have to make sure to use the services provided by the bluez-gnome package."  what does that mean?
[01:03] <glatzor> hi sebas. I once again forgot the irc nick of simon edwards
[01:08] <Riddell> glatzor: _Sime
[01:08] <Riddell> with varying underscores
[01:09] <glatzor> Thanks Riddell
[01:10] <Riddell> glatzor: are there any changes to software-properties planned in gutsy time?
[01:11] <glatzor> Riddell: by the way would it be better to convert the designer files in software-properties to code using pyuic and only ship the python files?
[01:11] <glatzor> Riddell: Only some backend changes. I would like to use a different format for the configuration files.
[01:12] <Riddell> glatzor: why would you think so?  seems nicer to me to just ship the .ui and not have to do any compiling
[01:13] <glatzor> Riddell: there seem to be a lot of crashes and the user interface is not translatable
[01:14] <glatzor> Riddell: But I don't know if this would be solved by shipping the python packages.
[01:14] <Riddell> yes, translation is something that needs to be fixed properly.  but shipping .py files is unlikley to help since they'd use the qt weird method of translation
[01:15] <Riddell> I need to dig up the .po extract commend for .ui files
[01:16] <glatzor> Riddell: But isn't designer used in other KDE projects too?
[01:22] <Riddell> glatzor: yes, but this is qt 4 and python and KDE translations only support qt 3 and c++ currently
[01:22] <Riddell> and it's not using the KDE translation method anyway, it's using raw gettext
[01:23] <Riddell> (s/method/library/  KDE also uses gettext of course)
[01:23] <Riddell> it's all solvable, just needs getting the right bits in the right places
[01:30] <cewanf> Riddell: I got this when running debuild: "debuild: Fatal error at line 1155: running debsign failed"
[01:35] <Riddell> cewanf: that's good, it means it's all finished
[01:35] <glatzor> Riddell: I thought QT would use a home brown solution and not gettext?
[01:35] <Riddell> you don't need to sign it
[01:35] <Riddell> cewanf: install the .deb files in the directory above and repeat for kdebase
[01:35] <cewanf> alrighty!
[01:35] <Riddell> glatzor: it does, it's weird and non-strandard, gettext is far preferably
[01:36] <Riddell> preferable
[01:41] <marseillai> does anyone know where i can find that
[01:42] <cewanf> okey, got some errors here: kdelibs4-dev depends on libjasper-dev  (>= 1.900.1); however: Package libjasper-dev is not installed. AND kdelibs-dbg depends on qt-x11-free-dbg; however: Package qt-x11-free-dbg is not installed.
[01:43] <cewanf> i try running sudo aptitude install qt-x11-free-dbg, but then it wants to remove kdebase-dev and kdelibs4-dev
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: that means that we'll have to write a little script or use kdebluetooth-dbus so that we'll be able to use the bluez services for hidd
[01:44] <marseillai> hi Tonio_ i've you seen my mail ?
[01:45] <marseillai> -i'
[01:51] <cewanf> Riddell: any idea on what to do? should I remove kdebase-dev and kdelibs4-dev?
[01:58] <Riddell> cewanf: you don't really care about kdelibs-dbg, it can be removed
[01:58] <Riddell> cewanf: you do want kdelibs4-dev but not kdebase-dev
[02:00] <cewanf> so, when I try to install libjasper-dev, it suggests I remove kdebase-dev and kdelibs4-dev, so should I accept that solution and then later on reinstall the kdelibs4-dev package?
[02:02] <Riddell> isn't it kdelibs4-dev that needs libjasper-dev?
[02:02] <cewanf> yup
[02:03] <cewanf> kdelibs4-dev cannot be installed because it depends on libjasper-dev, but if I then try to install libjasper-dev it wants to remove kdebase-dev and kdelibs4-dev
[02:03] <Riddell> oh, it'll remove the old kdelib4-dev, that's fine
[02:03] <cewanf> alrighty!
[02:03] <Riddell> just install the new one afterwards
[02:08] <cewanf> okey, I did that, but now it's complaining about a lot more packages when trying to install kdelibs4-dev. Example: kdelibs4-dev depends on libart-2.0-dev (>= 2.3.17); however:Package libart-2.0-dev is not installed.
[02:11] <Riddell> apt-get -f install
[02:15] <cewanf> Riddell: okey, I did that, and most of the dependencies disappeared, but still there are these left: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kdelibs4-dev: kdelibs4-dev depends on libfam-dev | libgamin-dev; however:  Package libfam-dev is not installed.  Package libgamin-dev is not installed. kdelibs4-dev depends on libjasper-dev (>= 1.900.1); however:  Package libjasper-dev is not installed.
[02:15] <cewanf> feels like I am stuck in a loop here
[02:17] <Riddell> grr, it shouldn't depend on libgamin
[02:17] <Riddell> well, apt-get install libgamin-dev libjasper-dev
[02:18] <cewanf> hehe, then it wants to remove all packages we just installed by running apt-get -f install
[02:19] <Riddell> why?
[02:19] <Riddell> can you install just libjasper-dev ?
[02:21] <cewanf> ok, so now I have installed libjasper-dev and libgamin, it removed a lot of other packages though. then i tried to install kdelibs4-dev again, and then it complained about all those packages
[02:22] <cewanf> should I run apt-get -f install again?
[02:22] <Riddell> complained about which packages?
[02:24] <Riddell> cewanf: use a pastebin :)
[02:24] <cewanf> what is that?
[02:24] <Riddell> maybe it would be better to have compiled the feisty package and added the xinerama patch
[02:25] <Riddell> pastebin.ubuntu-nl.com
[02:25] <Riddell> pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:25] <cewanf> okey, but is my system screwed right now?
[02:26] <cewanf> Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/22136/
[02:28] <Riddell> not irrevocably
[02:28] <cewanf> how come this solution isnt working?
[02:29] <Riddell> it probably needs a newer version of something that isn't in feisty
[02:29] <cewanf> okey, how do I revoke the stuff that I have installed then?
[02:29] <Riddell> apt-get -f install  :)
[02:30] <cewanf> alright, then everything is back to normal again?
[02:31] <Riddell> should be
[02:31] <cewanf> okey, cool, it tells me to run apt-get autoremove on a bunch of packages. should I do that?
[02:31] <Riddell> naw
[02:32] <Riddell> so I'd say try again with the feisty packages
[02:32] <cewanf> yea, lets :-)
[02:32] <cewanf> where do I start?
[02:32] <Riddell> get the .orig, .diff and .dsc from  http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-357/pool/kdelibs/
[02:32] <Riddell> dpkg-source -x *dsc
[02:32] <cewanf> oki
[02:32] <Riddell> copy over the kubuntu*xinerama* patch from the gutsy package
[02:32] <Riddell> and debuild
[02:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I have an updated patch for you that includes localization in kdm as well
[02:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I forgot about that ..
[02:45] <Riddell> _StefanS_: cool, please e-mail it to me
[02:46] <Riddell> or put it on a web server
[02:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: coming to you in a moment
[02:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'll just put it onlin ethen
[02:47] <_StefanS_> argh I just ordered a system and forgot to get memory for it ... jeeez
[02:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://www.enhance-it.dk/patches/
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: feel free to take whichever packages you like over hte next 48h or so - i'll be busy with uni/work
[02:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ok, am just uploaded the rest of your packages
[02:51] <Hobbsee> yay....
[02:53] <cewanf> Riddell: do I have to debuild kdebase as well? I am guessing not
[02:55] <Riddell> cewanf: yes
[02:55] <Riddell> once kdelibs is all built and installed
[02:56] <cewanf> I have to debuild kdebase as well?
[02:58] <Riddell> yes
[03:10] <Riddell> _StefanS_: uploaded
[03:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: sweet :)
[03:10] <Riddell> fdoving: patch to kdebase for audiocds with unmount dialogue also uploaded
[03:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I figure that my diffs didnt cause to many problems, even though they wasn't true debdiffs ;)
[03:14] <Riddell> cdbs-edit-patch made it all easy
[03:15] <freeflying> Riddell: have you read my message here about skim stuffs
[03:16] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, although I'm not sure I understand
[03:17] <freeflying> Riddell: if we anna improve the skim in gutsy, we shall maintain scim stuffs by ourself
[03:18] <Riddell> freeflying: we need to move the scim setup stuff from scim's postinst to libscim
[03:18] <Riddell> what else needs done?
[03:18] <freeflying> Riddell: we'd re-split scim to fit our need
[03:19] <freeflying> 1000      4871  0.0  0.0   5856   904 ?        Ss   20:52   0:00 /usr/lib/scim-1.0/scim-helper-manager
[03:19] <freeflying> 1000      4885  0.0  1.0  43480 10748 ?        Ss   20:52   0:00 /usr/lib/scim-1.0/scim-launcher -d -c kconfig -e all -f socket --no-stay
[03:19] <freeflying> 1000      4887  0.0  0.0   8840   964 ?        Ss   20:52   0:00 /usr/lib/scim-1.0/scim-launcher -d -c socket -e socket -f x11
[03:19] <freeflying> 1000      4930  0.0  0.8  15264  9068 ?        S    20:52   0:00 scim-bridge
[03:19] <freeflying> 1000      5681  0.0  0.1   5904  1936 ?        S    21:19   0:00 perl /usr/share/apps/konversation/scripts/cmd konversation irc.freenode.net #kubuntu-devel ps aux |grep scim
[03:19] <freeflying> 1000      5682  0.0  0.0   1932   600 ?        S    21:19   0:00 sh -c ps aux |grep scim
[03:19] <freeflying> 1000      5684  0.0  0.0   3100   880 ?        R    21:19   0:00 grep scim
[03:19] <freeflying> Riddell: as you see, there have two processes we needn't under kde
[03:20] <freeflying> but use pace to kages exist in archive, we have to have them run
[03:23] <_StefanS_> gotta run, see you guys later on
[03:23] <Riddell> freeflying: which don't we need for KDE?
[03:24] <freeflying> scim-helper-manager  and 1000      4887  0.0  0.0   8840   964 ?        Ss   20:52   0:00 /usr/lib/scim-1.0/scim-launcher -d -c socket -e socket -f x11
[03:24] <freeflying> Riddell: we have kconfig, so we needn't run another fronted using x11
[03:24] <freeflying> Riddell: and scim-help-manager is really for gtk users
[03:25] <Riddell> freeflying: how does the second scim-launcher get started?
[03:26] <freeflying> Riddell: I don't know ,just read the source code of scim now
[03:48] <lucky_lucas> hey it's me or the dot.kde.org websited has boomed
[03:49] <lucky_lucas> I just got a news in akregator called road to kde 4, seems I m not th eonly one
[03:50] <Riddell> lucky_lucas: that was published sortly before the site broke
[03:50] <lucky_lucas> the site broke because of the news ?
[03:51] <lucky_lucas> They  cause their own DOS
[03:51] <Riddell> I doubt it, dot just breaks randomly
[03:52] <lucky_lucas> ok, I wonder if it had a so big popularity
[03:52] <lucky_lucas> ha it's on its feets again
[03:53] <lucky_lucas> shortly,
[03:53] <freeflying> Lure: will you merge strigi?
[03:54] <Lure> freeflying: I can (gutsy just being installed) - I suspect it will be simple sync
[03:55] <freeflying> Lure: a guy from motu-torren team wann merge it  :)
[03:55] <Lure> freeflying: fine with me
[03:56] <Riddell> strigi should just be a sync
[03:57] <Lure> Riddell: yep, just need to check if plugins now work properly - I suspect fabo did the right thing
[04:15] <cewanf> Riddell: kdelibs went fine now, moving on to kdebase
[04:15] <Riddell> groovy
[04:16] <cewanf> my adept_notifier keeps reminding me now to update kdelibs, should i remove the kde357 repos to get rid of this?
[04:17] <Riddell> what does it think you have to update?
[04:19] <cewanf> kdelibs-dbg and kdelibs4c2a
[04:20] <cewanf> candidate and installed version are identical
[04:33] <cewanf> Riddell: what is your opinion about that?
[04:34] <Riddell> what's the output of apt-cache policy kdelibs4c2a  ?
[04:36] <cewanf> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/22155/
[04:37] <Riddell> curious, it has the same version number but it still wants to install from kubuntu.org
[04:38] <Riddell> yes, removing the 357 repository from will stop it wanting to do that
[04:40] <cewanf> Riddell: but will I then miss possible updates in the future for other packages?
[04:41] <Riddell> I don't plan any updates for kubuntu.org
[04:42] <cewanf> alright
[04:44] <cewanf> nice, it disappeared
[04:54] <cewanf> got an error debuilding: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/22164/
[04:54] <freeflying> Riddell: libscim need scim-helper, but its in scim, so we may talk to minghua
[04:54] <cewanf> Riddell: something went wrong
[04:55] <Riddell> cewanf: edit debian/kdebase-data.install and remove the lines with l10n/yu
[04:55] <Riddell> cewanf: then run debuild -nc
[04:55] <Riddell> freeflying: what is scim-helper?
[04:56] <freeflying> Riddell: its for manager various module for scim
[04:57] <cewanf> Riddell: okey, I removed all l10n lines, nothing found in file for yu though
[04:57] <Riddell> freeflying: doesn't have any dependencies, so that can move to libscim's package easily enough
[04:57] <Riddell> cewanf: don't remove all l10n, only the yu ones
[04:58] <freeflying> Riddell: then it should in libscim, but not scim
[04:58] <cewanf> Riddell: ouch, okey
[04:59] <cewanf> hmm, guess vim does not keep backup files
[04:59] <freeflying> Riddell: and if we set XMODIFIERS to dumy, libscim will not run another process with x11 fronted
[05:00] <Riddell> freeflying: can you add this to the language support part of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyPlan ?
[05:00] <freeflying> Riddell: ok
[05:01] <freeflying> Riddell: comments or add it directly?
[05:01] <Riddell> freeflying: just add it directly
[05:10] <freeflying> Riddell: An option should be added to run language-selector in the skim menu --< why shall we add to skim's menu, skim is just a Input Method fronted
[05:12] <freeflying> Riddell: btw I will take Scribus :)
[05:13] <Riddell> freeflying: do chinese characters work in qt in feisty?
[05:14] <freeflying> Riddell: you mean Scribus?
[05:15] <Riddell> freeflying: no, just displaying characters.  http://www.ubuntu.org.cn/ misses a lot of characters when I look at it
[05:15] <freeflying> Riddell: if we select Chinese in language-selevtor, we can
[05:16] <Riddell> ok
[05:16] <Riddell> still, shame not to have it by default
[05:17] <freeflying> its really strenge, use same fontconfig settings under Debian and kubuntu, kubuntu can display all chinese characters, but debian still need configure in qtrc
[05:20] <nixternal> good morning
[05:21] <Riddell> nixternal: is it a sunny and beautiful morning?
[05:22] <nixternal> why yes it it
[05:22] <nixternal> I just turned on the air-conditioning
[05:22] <ScottK> I guess it's late May, so the snow has finally stopped in Chicago.
[05:23] <nixternal> we haven't had snow at all this year really...we had to snow blow twice this entire winter
[05:23] <Riddell> ah, America.  The country that consumes more energy in the summer than in winter
[05:23] <nixternal> Riddell: no, America...the country that consumes to much #@!#@$ all of the time
[05:24] <cewanf> Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/22173/
[05:25] <Riddell> cewanf: remove from kwin.install and debuild -nc
[05:25] <glatzor> _Sime: evening. I would like to talk about displayconfig
[05:26] <cewanf> Riddell: remove what?
[05:26] <Riddell> cewanf: usr/share/apps/kwin/default_rules/fsp_workarounds_1
[05:26] <ScottK> Riddell: Just keep in mind that Chicago and Rome are on the same latitude.  It is, in fact, a lot hotter here.
[05:28] <Riddell> ScottK: you're another chicago person?
[05:29] <ScottK> No.  Outside Baltimore, MD, USA, but I've been to Chicago a few times.
[05:29] <Riddell> sounds close enough :)
[05:29] <ScottK> From where you sit, no doubt.
[05:29] <ScottK> nixternal used to live not very far from where I do.
[05:32] <nixternal> mmm Maryland
[05:32] <nixternal> I will probably move out to the east coast a bit next year...probably DC area though
[05:32] <nixternal> so I can bother crimsun
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: new openwengo is now a standard sip client
[05:34] <ScottK> Well I'm now closer to Baltimore than DC, but still consider it DC area.
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: can be used with every sip service :)
[05:34] <ScottK> Traffic is a lot better over here than in Virginia.
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: very interesting
[05:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: awooga
[05:34] <Tonio_> now has full alsa support too....
[05:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: and they have source packages
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: need to look at this first :)
[05:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: but maybe we should look at the sip spec again :)
[05:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: added to the hudge todo list I may start on friday
[05:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's still unlikely to be able to fit on a CD
[05:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but we should have a nice package for this
[05:37] <Tonio_> at least
[05:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: and wait to switch on a dvd or 2 cds installation, which is inevitable.....
[05:37] <Tonio_> some day in the future
[05:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: still no tarball :'(
[05:38] <Tonio_> maybe on the forum as usual....
[05:38] <Riddell> http://download.wengo.com/wengophone/release/2007-05-15/wengophone-2.1.tar.bz2
[05:38] <Tonio_> yep, that the binaries
[05:39] <cewanf> Riddell: "dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of `NEEDED libkdeinit_khotkeys.so' not recognized", should I worry?
[05:39] <Riddell> it says "Source code"!
[05:39] <Riddell> cewanf: can't say I ever do :)
[05:39] <cewanf> hehe
[05:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? maybe that's easier to get on the english website :)
[05:40] <Tonio_> indeed that's a real tarball....... cool ;)
[05:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: from http://dev.openwengo.org/
[05:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay ;)
[05:45] <Tonio_> I'm trying to find out how to use it with another sip provider....
[05:45] <Tonio_> changelog says that's possible
[05:54] <cewanf> Riddell: i have debuilt kdebase and installed all deb packages
[05:54] <cewanf> should I log out and log in to make the new stuff effective?
[05:55] <lucky_lucas> Tonio_: if you disconnect yourself, the connection wizard offers you an advanced users link it's supposed to be the way of setting up another sip provider
[05:55] <lucky_lucas> sorry i miss a ,
[05:55] <Riddell> cewanf: yes
[05:55] <cewanf> ok, here goes!
[05:56] <lucky_lucas> Tonio_: if you disconnect yourself, the connection wizard offers you an advanced users link, it's supposed to be the way of setting up another sip provider
[05:56] <Tonio_> lucky_lucas: saw that indeed
[05:56] <Tonio_> lucky_lucas: very cool :)
[05:56] <Tonio_> lucky_lucas: needs testing toonight before packaging, but that'll go on the top of my todo
[05:58] <lucky_lucas> Tonio_: cool it will be very appreciate, I just wonder why it can't get connected to my account
[05:59] <lucky_lucas> Tonio_: Seems that they have some issues with cross platform and cross client visio
[05:59] <Tonio_> lucky_lucas: ah ?
[05:59] <lucky_lucas> Tonio_: Yes it's about codec and video streamin protocols I ve read a bit of that in the linux magazine (french touch)
[06:01] <Tonio_> lucky_lucas: hehe
[06:01] <lucky_lucas> Anyway  I think that for cross platform between two openwengo clients all should be fine
[06:01] <Tonio_> lucky_lucas: yep
[06:01] <lucky_lucas> That's what really counts at first
[06:01] <Tonio_> lucky_lucas: how about the status with msn and so on ?
[06:01] <Tonio_> lucky_lucas: I think they intended to offer video support over msn right ?
[06:02] <Tonio_> lucky_lucas: I must say I didn't play with it recently, so my informations might be outdated :)
[06:02] <lucky_lucas> Yes bu the last time I see their website, it was on the feature list where any good soul could get in.
[06:02] <cewanf> Riddell: You are the hero of the day for me! Thanks a lot for having patience helping me out :-) The keyboard shortcuts are there again!
[06:03] <lucky_lucas> It maybe needs some reverse engineering to handle correct visio
[06:03] <Tonio_> lucky_lucas: hehe :)
[06:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll work on the package toonight
[06:04] <Riddell> cewanf: groovy, if you put the packages somewhere I can put them in a temp directory on kubuntu.org so you can point people there if they have the same issue
[06:04] <Tonio_> can someone tell me where to set the settings for fonts in qt4 apps ?
[06:04] <Tonio_> I can't seem to find that
[06:04] <lucky_lucas> Tonio_: I was wondering if (in order to train myself on qt) I could create a bunch of templates of gui that anyone could reuse
[06:05] <lucky_lucas> I'm looking for something I can take the time to do ask some questions about the guidelines, but never require a milestone
[06:06] <lucky_lucas> In order to help people with poor skills at gui/qt  start the contribution they wish to give
[06:06] <Tonio_> sure :)
[06:06] <cewanf> Riddell: alright, I'll have to find somewhere to upload them to first though
[06:08] <lucky_lucas> Something that no one depends on, but anyone can you use it. For example some gui to configure xorg, because a lot of people have the skills to generate a proper xorg.conf but how many knows about qt
[06:09] <lucky_lucas> And I remember it's only to train myself so no pressure, I take the time to make each template the more easy to extend I can do
[06:10] <lucky_lucas> I don't if it's a good approach to gain more contributors
[06:11] <lucky_lucas> well I'll go away
[06:42] <cewanf> Riddell: done uploading
[07:06] <nixternal> who was working on the kio-sysinfo?
[07:07] <nixternal> someone posted it to kde-apps if you haven't noticed..unless of course that was you (whoever that was working on it) ;)
[07:07] <nixternal> it works, but it needs "A LOT" of work. I have an Intel CPU, yet I have an AMD icon ;/
[07:07] <nixternal> hehe
[07:14] <nixternal> ryanakca: was it you talking about a kolab setup around here?
[07:25] <Riddell> cewanf: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/357-xinerama/
[07:27] <cewanf> Riddell: great
[07:29] <fdoving> nixternal: hsitter was talking about it yesterday.
[07:30] <fdoving> ok :)
[07:30] <fdoving> hsitter: did you make a package?
[07:31] <hsitter> fdoving: of kolab?
[07:31] <fdoving> hsitter: kio-sysinfo
[07:31] <hsitter> I'm doing some code tuning yet
[07:31] <hsitter> plus first I'd need to get some artwork from kwwii
[07:31] <hsitter> fdoving: http://einstein.astro.gla.ac.uk/download/boinc/dl/boinc_5.8.16_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
[07:31] <hsitter> err
[07:31] <hsitter> stupid klipper
[07:31] <hsitter> fdoving: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kio-sysinfo/ubuntu
[07:32] <fdoving> ah, nice.
[07:35] <kwwii> erm artwork for what?
[07:36] <hsitter> kwwii: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp035.png
[07:37] <hsitter> we need another background as one can see quite green ;-)
[07:37] <kwwii> hsitter: cool, I am sure we can take care of that
[07:37] <hsitter> awesome :)
[07:38] <hunger> especially not that beagle-infested startmenu...
[07:38] <apachelogger> hunger: actully we modify that suse stuff and tell people it's ours ;-)
[07:38] <apachelogger> hunger: no point since k4 is making use of strigi anyway
[07:39] <apachelogger> and suse is only using beagle because of novell I guess
[07:39] <hunger> apachelogger: Yeap. But you could always argue that ubuntu is beagle-land...
[07:42] <apachelogger> hunger: so what?
[07:43] <sebas> Why
[07:43] <apachelogger> I don't know, but last time I had a look beagle wasn't even splitted into lib and front-end
[07:43] <sebas> 's Ubuntu beagle-land?
[07:43] <apachelogger> so why should kubuntu install half gnome just to make use of beagle?! Oo
[07:43] <sebas> AFAIK, at the recent UDS it's been decided to go with tracker for the GNOME desktop and use strigi for KDE
[07:44] <fdoving> beagle files are named .exe and such. doesn't look good at all :)
[07:44] <apachelogger> mono FTW
[07:44] <apachelogger> <-- evil vb.net coder
[07:44] <apachelogger> muahaha :D
[07:45] <sebas> I've seen many people complaining that they didn't find the NetworkManager executable only because it's uppercase.
[07:45] <fdoving> that's evil too.
[07:46] <apachelogger> sebas: can reproduce that
[07:46] <apachelogger> exec shouldn't be named uppercase IMHO
[07:47] <sebas> And not contain .exe on UNIX =)
[07:48] <Riddell> users shouldn't need to run NetworkManager though, there's a reason it's in /usr/sbin
[07:48] <apachelogger> yeah ^_^
[07:49] <sebas> Well, users as in "people who use the system", not non-root system users.
[07:49] <fdoving> it's NetworkManager and MAKEDEV
[07:50] <fdoving> me neither, but it's uppercase :)
[07:50] <Riddell> 3 years being how long you've had udev for?
[07:55] <sebas> About that, yes.
[07:55] <sebas> Or rather devfs before.
[07:55] <sebas> Something less braindead than plain mknod
[08:36] <seele> nixternal: are you really an IA?
[08:37] <nixternal> you got that quick...you asked for "other information experts", but I have worked with some IA stuff in the past...but no, I am not an IA
[08:38] <nixternal> but I have some time to offer if you needed volunteers to help out anyway that I can
[08:39] <seele> ok.. if youre up for it i will include you in the next mailing :)
[08:39] <nixternal> sure
[08:39] <nixternal> only IA I have really been involved in really, is when I used to program HMI (Human Machine Interfaces) for controls automation in the 90s
[08:40] <nixternal> besides website design and technical documentation that is
[09:37] <fdoving> Yes, figured out the safely remove dissapearing-act. atleast part of it.
[09:44] <kristina> hi, trying to install the kde4 packages (kde4base-dev worked) I get a "break install". anything I can do about it?
[09:49] <ryanakca> nixternal: yes
[09:51] <ryanakca> nixternal: if you want to help... poke elmo 'till he aswers to RT 27573 :)
[09:52] <crimsun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gaim/+filebug
[09:52] <crimsun> er
[09:52] <crimsun> that's likely to get you shite-listed by elmo
[09:55] <ryanakca> crimsun: whats that? filing an RT, and then following up on it every 2-3 weeks?
[09:55] <ryanakca> or the gaim filebug?
[09:56] <crimsun> ryanakca: "poke elmo 'till he aswers"
[09:56] <ryanakca> ah
[09:58] <ryanakca> crimsun: well... I'm sure he isn't that overworked and underpayed to answer to one-and-a-half month old RT... since he is the admin for the kubuntu.org domain and the only one who can take care of the RT...
[09:58] <ryanakca> hmmm
[10:09] <gnomefreak> kristina: yes wait for it or try sudo apt-get -f install   its known about already
[10:10] <ryanakca> nixternal: should I add the KOLAB (I'm setting up an eGroupWare server.... it's better maintained and easier to setup and manage...) to the meeting agenda?
[10:15] <mhb> evening
[10:20] <nixternal> ryanakca: that would be up to Riddell really...we were just talking about Kolab earlier, so that is why I asked :)
[10:39] <kristina> gnomefreak: so it's not dangerous?
[10:40] <gnomefreak> kristina: should be ok. i havent run into it yet but i saw it this morning
[10:40] <gnomefreak> someone talking about it this morning atleast
[10:40] <kristina> I see... I'll try then. tnx
[10:41] <gnomefreak> yw
[10:48] <ryanakca> with "Make KMilo's appearance customizable, [WWW]  patch available from KDE-Apps.org" from wiki/Kubuntu/Meetings, wouldn't it be simple enough to setup? Just add the patch to the source package, and check if it builds?
[11:15] <mschiff> ping Riddell
[11:18] <jjesse> evening