[02:45] <venky> # join ubuntu
[03:53] <homerhomer> ATI suck in Linux digg this and let ATI know that your next graphics card will not be an ATI (unless things change) http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_Avoid_ATI_Video_Cards
[03:58] <jmichaelx> is it possible to upgrade to gutsy by changing the repo entries in the sources.list from 'edgy' to 'gutsy'?
[04:06] <crimsun> I do not recommend that. First dist-upgrade to feisty from edgy then to gutsy.
[04:06] <FunnyLookinHat> jmichaelx, you could do it that way...  but it would be pretty nasty
[04:06] <FunnyLookinHat> Furthermore...  use the update manager to get from edgy to feisty
[04:06] <FunnyLookinHat> rather than the apt-get method.
[04:08] <jmichaelx> crimsun: that is what i meant.... change the repos to gutsy then dist-upgrade..... i meant to say feisty instead of edgy, sorry about that
[04:08] <jmichaelx> FunnyLookinHat: why use the upgrade manager? just curious as i have never used it
[04:10] <FunnyLookinHat> jmichaelx, there are discrepencies between releases that cannot be accounted for by simply updating the packages on your system.  A good example of that was from dapper -> Edgy when they changed the startup script
[04:10] <Hobbsee> well, you need to know what you're doing a bit
[04:10] <jmichaelx> interesting
[04:11] <Hobbsee> it will work using apt - but you cant just mindlessly hit y, and expect it to work
[04:12] <jmichaelx> i usually wind up having to run dist-upgrade a few times for everything to take, then fenagle with some remaining python stuff that did not want to upgrade. it has never been too rough
[04:22] <Hobbsee> yay, breakage
[12:41] <SmokeyD> !mozilla
[12:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mozilla - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:41] <SmokeyD> !moztest
[12:42] <ubotu> The Mozilla-testing repos can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives. Please remember these are testing repos, the packages in these repos are not stable and may break things on your system. Use with caution. Please report bugs found from these packages to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives/Bugs.
[01:41] <Stormx2> Any specs for gutsy yet?
[01:59] <Tomcat_> Stormx2: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy
[03:38] <RivaeAerya> How gutsy is gutsy by now?
[03:45] <gnomefreak> RivaeAerya: not really for public testing yet
[03:46] <RivaeAerya> alright.
[03:51] <Stormx2> Do you guys recon compositebydefault will be aproved?
[03:53] <ryanpg> xorg is crashing... afterwords, apport runs... and it crashes too
[03:54] <ryanpg> then apport runs again to debug it's own crash... it tries to open firefox (which is already open because I have to log-in to my network through a browser), firefox presents a dialog complaining that there's already a version running and please close it
[03:54] <ryanpg> then it all happens again
[03:55] <ryanpg> is there a howto that describes how to run dbg on a /var/crash/*.crash file?
[03:56] <ryanpg> sorry meant gdb above of course
[04:01] <ryanpg> huh, the files in /var/crash appear not to be core dumps
[04:44] <ryanpg> when an application crashes, where is the core file found?
[04:57] <ryanpg> I thought I could run apport-retrace on the *.crash file... apparently not... of course I'm completely guessing at what might be going on
[05:02] <Trewas> it's quite annoying that there is no meta-package (linux-image-generic etc) in gutsy, or rather that the package has not been upgraded to depend on current 2.6.22-x kernels
[05:05] <Mikelevel> Trewas~ install it manually ... search 2.6.22
[05:05] <Mikelevel> and install all you need
[05:06] <Trewas> I know, but it won't get new kernels automagically on upgrades
[06:46] <gnomefreak> Trewas: they are working on it. give it time